>Amazing JRPG >Sequel is utter garbage and ruins everything the original did from the art style to story to combat to the characters>Tries to cover its flaws with anime cringe and coomer bait thus making it even more shitIs there any hope for Xenoblade 3 bros?
>>298496But XBC2 is better than XBC1 in every way
>>298496Just finished Xeno1 yesterday and it was full od retarded shounen cliches
You remember Shulk Reyn Melia Fiora and Dunban because they are good characters with soulYou remember Pyra and Mythra because you saw Rule 34 of them. You don't remember Rex. Soulless game
>>298517and nobody remembers xcx at all
>>298541That's the curse of being a Pii U title.
>>298542I forgot but isn't it too hard to port over xcx due to the online stuff? i swear i heard something about that being the case
>>298517>Shulk>Good characterMUH-NADOFiora...MAMORU!!!Uhhh If i kill metal face I will be just like him... (nevermind that he conventionally died anyway right after but could as well fly away to Colony 9 again and kill bunch of people and what would Shulk do?)Le cycle of hate... I wont kill you Egil I dont have any reason to do so (maybe beside that he almost destroyed whole Bionis seconds ago)Shulk is the worst generic animu protagonist that you can imagineBoth him and Rex are complete uninteresting characters
>>298496You made this same exact thread before. >>298517The only main characters in Xenoblade 1 who were actually well written were Melia, and ironically Riki. Xenoblade 1's cast is the flattest, least developed and most one-dimensional cast of any Xeno game. I'd even argue that Xenoblade X has a better main cast.
>>298514If you think XBC1 is the cliche game of the two I am sorry but you have mental retardation >>298541True >>298508Bad bait
>>298587Xenoblade 1 is the most archetypal story that Takahashi's written, though?
>>298496>Is there any hope for Xenoblade 3 bros?considering XB2 literally steered Xeno back on course after the departure that was the first two XBs, sure.
>>298564Your arguments are shit lol, XBC2 sucking donkey dick is a unanimous opinion amongst everyone save Waifufag troomers https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kZFnQnT6RksXBC 1's characters were full of life and actually funny, XBC2s were just lifeless sex dolls and pure cringe
>>298634Why are you so eager to shitpost about a franchise you've never even played before? It's obvious from this thread and the previous thread that you've never touched either game.
>>298592XBC2 is literally "Ecchi slice of life tropes the game" with a horrible art style to boot. You're clearly an irrational coomer who wants to protect the garbo sequel which the whores he faps to came from so there is really no point in arguing with you
>>298634He didn't said that the MC of xeno 2 are good, he said that Xeno 1 Main characters are shit.And I agree with that(I didn't play xeno 2 but I played gears)
>Why are you so eager to shitpost about a franchise you've never even played before? It's obvious from this thread and the previous thread that you've never touched either game.
>>298648>Ecchi slice of life tropes the gameXenoblade 2 isn't this, unless you're a puritan who somhow considers Grandia an ecchi slice of life game as well.Xenoblade 2 isn't even Monolith's most risque series; Xenosaga, Xenoblade X, and the Super Robot Wars rpgs they developed are far more fanservicey.Of course though, you wouldn't know this because you haven't played a Monolith Soft game in your life.
is XBC2 still the ultimate pleb filter?
>>298655He's saying XBC1s characters are shit to deflect from my criticism of the absolute trash characters in XBC2. And I don't agree that they were bad. They were very memorable and I didn't crumple my nose in embarrassment when they interacted unlike the literal troglodyte cast of XBC2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgU_xCJ3KpQTheir default outfits weren't stripper clothes either which helped
>>298676Dude do you have any arguments besides denial of the obvious lmaoJust admit XBC2 was fucking trash mate. It's even worse than X-2
>>298708Do YOU actually have any arguments, first of all? Xenoblade 1 is the second lowest point of the entire franchise (behind Saga 2). If it weren't for X being a masterpiece of gameplay design and 2's incredibly in-depth lore and multi-fauceted villains, I'd have no hope for this franchise.It should say a lot when even DLC like Torna and Future Connected shit on the main game for Xenoblade 1.Xenoblade 1 could have been good. It actually set itself up really well up until Prison Island, but from that point onwards it spiraled into a quick decline and by Zanza's reveal in the Mechonis's head, I wasn't sure if the writers were mocking me. Xenoblade 1 is rife with plot holes, cop-outs, and underwhelming writing to appeal to a younger demographic. Shulk is the biggest walking Shonen cliche that Takahashi's ever written.Dunban doesn't develop at all and the only semblance of development that Reyn actually gets is his feelings for Sharla (who is the most static, boring and forgettable party member of any Xeno game). Fiora, the fucking main heroine of the game, barely develops at all. Her revival as a machina only served to introduce and develop Meyneth. It's almost absurd how little has changed about her personality wise from the beginning to the end.Riki and Melia deserved to be in better games, because they outshone the entire cast of Xenoblade 1. Scratch that, Melia did get in a better game. Future Connected, which has better writing than anything in Xenoblade 1. I'd even take Kino and Nene over most of Xenoblade 1's main party.How can anybody play through Xenogears, Xenosaga 1, 2 and 3, Xenoblade 1, X and 2, and say that Xenoblade 1 is better than anything (besides Saga 2)? I'm genuinely curious.I'm not implying that Xenoblade 2's cast are masterfully written, however they are more well written and complex characters than Xenoblade 1's cast from an objective standpoint, even though I feel that they're very unlikable compared to Xenoblade 1's cast.
>>298496No. You have to understand that xc1 was made under very particular circumstances with the team just wanting to make the best game they could before shutting down.
>>298496>300p in handheldI'll pass
>>298517No one remembers the characters from XB1 at all because they were barely characters and had no story of their own, apart from shulk
>>298783Why are you putting so much effort into a reply when you know this retard isn't going to read it?
Tetsuya Takahashi on Xenoblade 1>“…in terms of my own personal goal–my vision of an ideal game–I’d honestly have to say that it’s barely 5% of the way there.”>“To be honest, there are times when I think I’ve atrophied as a writer since the Xenogears era.”>” [I’m] grateful for the game’s positive reputation, [but I and my team] didn’t set out to make Xenoblade Chronicles into the company’s magnum opus. It was made to be an experiment”Tetsuya Takahashi on Xenoblade 2>"Xenoblade 2 is kind of like a culmination of all the things that I have done--and would like to have done--from my past.">"I want to make something that people can look back on fondly one day as something that really shaped their lives. Something like what I loved as a boy, like Oliver! (by Carol Reed) and Galaxy Express 999 (by Rintaro). — That’s why I started working on this game.">"For “Xenoblade 2”, I think a lot of people feel a sense of stiffness and lack of mobility for today’s society, and I wanted to make something that would cheer people up."
Not a day goes by without some XBC1 secondary seething about XBC2. Face it, the future of the franchise is shaped by XBC2 and it's better off without XBC1 fans
>>298783based getter robo poster
>>298783Out of curiosity, why do people like Riki so much? Even among the other underwritten characters, he's the most useless and has no impact on the story.At least, that's what I remember from my playthrough, so feel free to correct me
>>298844Riki has no impact on the story, he's actually a pointless party member.Despite this, besides Melia, he's the only party member with an actual history and life outside of the story that's shown throughout the game.More thought went into Riki's background than what went into Dunban's, Reyn's, Shulk's, Sharla's, or Fiora's. And ironically too he has a more varied range of expressions and personality than most of the cast to situations in the story. For the most part, the entire cast acts like how'd you expect them to act from almost the moment you meet them while Riki turns a few heads since he reacts and responds to things outside of being an archetype.Despite being a fantasy race fluffball he's the most believable character in the party.
>>298855Both Riki and Tora are described as Takahashi's self-inserts so that's probably why.
>>298542it's been available on PC through emulation for quite some time and it's still forgotten because it's a shit game
Honestly the whole Makna Forest and Eryth Sea arcs felt like they were written by completely different people from the rest of the game, I got Eryth Sea worldbuilding vibes from most of the Titans in XB2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDpKsJKqJVQ
>>298855>ironically too he has a more varied range of expressions and personality than most of the cast to situations in the story. For the most part, the entire cast acts like how'd you expect them to act from almost the moment you meet them while Riki turns a few heads since he reacts and responds to things outside of being an archetype.This is actually an interesting point, I'd have to pay attention to him more when I start my XBCDE playthrough soon.
>>298859Does that mean Takahashi wants to be cuddled by Melia?
>>298817Tetsuya Takahashi on XBX and 2>"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB6XKsE43KQ sounds fantastic!">"And these designs look great!"
>>298879I loved this zone in XBC1. I find myself thinking of it every now and then. Other zone whose atmosphere i love, is Tantal in XBC2https://youtu.be/Kh2JI18ByvU
>>298817all this tells me is that takahashi is a fucking idiot who loves gacha and moeshit though.
>>298879That's because Makna Forest and Eryth Sea are about the characters while the rest of Xenoblade 1 is about the story. You got these vibes because they're the only parts of Xenoblade 1 that are truly character-driven like the rest of the Xeno franchise.
>>298898>and moeshitShouldn't be surprised about that dude, he's been rehashing moe (Emeralda, Momo, Lin, Poppi) in nearly every game.
>>298905Yeah but xenoblade 2 literally says moe in japanese
>>298918... And so did Xenosaga. And Xenoblade X. Your point?
In XBC1, did you read sidequests' dialogues?In other games I tend to talk to every npc and read every line, but for the first time I'm tempted to skip some of the reading reading.What did (You) do?
>>298924who was the moe character in XBCX? I hated that game, but I must've missed her.
here's your oldschool monolith soft game brohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6g3ulSTzKY
>>298932I did read all of it. Don't remember a single line or story. Just skip them.
>>298517Lmao so true, XBC1 = Kino, XBC2 = C-grade Fap material >>298508Cringe
>>298935Lin? But I'm referring to the word "moe" being spoken in-game.Lin says that dolls (skells in japanese) make her feel "moe-moe-kyuuun!"
>>298564>>298555>TIL there is someone even more insufferable than XV kun on these boardsI shall henceforth dub you Rexfag
>>298950So much stuff was cut and rewritten in XBX's english localization, it's not even funny.If you picked a female character and used a specific personality type, Elma and your character would literally start flirting with each other and shouting out lesbian sexual innuendos in battle if your affinity was high enough.
I just want a good straightforward scifi plot in a xeno game again
>it's another retards act like the whole Xeno series isn't filled with anime bullshit episodeFuck off, you fake fans.
>>299017Xenogears =/= Xenosaga =/= Xenoblade
>>298783I wish Reyn didn't get forced with Sharla. I don't see the chemistry between the two since Sharla is probably the blandest girl in the game.
>>299026That's only true legally. Xenosaga however does try to allude to connections with Xenogears (they can't outright say it because Square), and Xenoblade 2 alludes to connections with Xenosaga (Xenoblade 2's a lot more forthright, but still vague about it since Bamco's a lot more friendlier with Monolith Soft). The artbook even suggests that KOS-MOS's cameo is actually canon. Xeno's a meta-series.
>>298517True desu, Xeno 1 you took more seriously and the characters were more meaningful. Xeno 2 felt distant cringe and plastic. People need to realise that what makes a truely "good character" is not how many TV tropes you can subvert or defy but how well you can have an affinity or investment in the characters and how much it can make you care for their story and their fate. XB1 understood this, XB2 did not. The only real investment was in Dem tiddies and dat ass. Everything else was bland uneventful and low stakes, and the characters were just impossible to take seriously
>>298783>If it weren't for X being a masterpiece of gameplay designStopped reading right here.
>>299042Why are you responding to yourself? You did this last thread as well.
>>299052I don't think he is, silly phoneposter.
>>299029Reyn is just a stand in for Gadolt to Sharla. Poor guy.
>>299068I wish /vrpg/ had a dedicated archive because last thread was hilarious with all the "Yeah, I agree" posts with similar phone filenames and the same images posted in this one.
>>299099One of his threads is here in the on-site archive but another got deleted.
>>299052Take your meds?
>>299147Seek help you autistic faggot, and make it less obvious when you remake this thread for the fourth time.
>>299174Schizophrenia is a serious condition, you should seek treatment for it & your poor taste in JRPGs.
>>299289Seek mental help.>>278607
>>299325....For agreeing with OP and having good tastes? Okay Pyrafag
>>299340How can you agree with yourself?
>>299325where are the repeated images and filenames that indicate it's all 1 guy agreeing with himself?
>>298998>If you picked a female character and used a specific personality type, Elma and your character would literally start flirting with each other and shouting out lesbian sexual innuendos in battle if your affinity was high enough.yeah and if you beat the game 12 times you can get into the same skell as elma and fuck her brains out
>>299040XB2 is more of a remake of Baten Kaitos EWatLO than it is a sequel to Xeno. I assume its all perfect works regardless because 'sasuga takahashi' and all that but the major beats of the setting progression are all mirrors of each other.
>>299370XB2 isn't a sequel/continuation of Perfect Works, it's more like a reboot of Perfect Works.
>>298517>You remember Shulk Reyn Melia Fiora and Dunban because they are good characters with soullolXB2 has lot's of anime-cringe, that's true, but Mythra is a better character than anyone in XB1 and Malos is a better villain than anyone in XB1.
>>299370The only thing XB2 has in common with Baten Kaitos is the world of the clouds. Almost all the main plot elements of 2 are mirroring Gears more than anything. A world on the brink of war between two nations desperately scrounging relics of a bygone age all the while being manipulated by a third country that controls the church of both countries. A mysterious paramilitary group with a colorful group of misfits confronting your group at every turn. The world being built above the ruins of a modern civilization. The war from 500 years ago that drives all the plot elements and you experience as a flashback. The main hero(ine) whose personality was split in 3 parts because of deep trauma, and whose haunted by the guilt of having killed everyone in their hometown. The man in the mask who wants to kill God because of his dead waifu. The leader of the church state obsessed with finding God at the cost of the world and secretly running large scale genetic experiments on the population. The avatar for the computer system that created this whole mess spreading chaos throughout history and trying to bring about the end of the world.
>>299482>and whose haunted by the guilt of having killed everyone in their hometownthat one is pushing it but sure, we can consider the sinking of Torna to be that
>>298517Xeno1's cast was the most boring in any jRPG I've ever playedXeno2's cast was anime but at least they felt unique
>>298508Wrong, but I do think XB2 is the better game. Despite its flaws it just has a lot more personality in its presentation and the customization in combat BTFOs XB1. I DO wish it didn't succumb to weebshit territory at times and that it wasn't blatantly rushed, because it could've been the objective best game of the bunch instead of a diamond in the rough.X is great too.>>299370XB2 is as much like BK as it is Skies of Arcadia. Just because they all have clouds doesn't mean they're the same game.I'd kill for a BK3 though.
>>298517Based. Literally only on 4chan do you see these retarded contrarianposters saying otherwise.
>>298496The main reason I liked XC1 is because it looked like pic related. It didn't have over-saturated colors, extreme contrast, or vomit-inducing color schemes. It just looked like grasslands, mountains, lakes, etc. It was nice to run around in a place like that.XCX was good for that too. XC2 and DE ruined it for me.
>>299385>>299684>>299716Samefag detected. XBC2s combat is fucking braindead and its writing characters and art style are hideous.
>>298496Xenoblade 2 is superior to 1 in combat mechanics, likable characters, and depth of the world. 1 has a more comfy "exploring the wilderness" feel, but a lot of that wilderness is just huge and empty.
>>299716The game really could use some fixes (mostly interruptions and how blade bonding works), it's a shame they had to make-do with that skeleton crew of theirs, maybe with more people there someone would have realized how much time you gotta spend in menus compared to the other entries
>>299772>Ignores Satol Marsh and Valak Mountain>lgnores Gormott and Mor Ardain
>>298676In what fucking universe is Xenosaga as blatantly fanservice indulging as XB 2?
>>299829He ignored Eryth Sea too
>>299829And Sylvalum, and Noctilum, and the White Phosphor Lake in Cauldros
>>2984962 had better gameplay
>>299838Saga has a fucking magical girl as a main character
>>299838Fucking play the games they're good even if cutscene heavy
>>300045So one character is enough?
>>300213the "right" camera angles during certain cutscenesEveryone has the right to a panty shotEveryone gets swimsuits (especially Ziggy)Xenosaga FreaksT-ELOS as a wholeErde Kaiser (which is fanservice but my kind of fanservice)
>>298496Wasn't this same thread posted yesterday? You Xenobladefags are almost as bad as Trails faggots
>>300261Don't get me wrong I love saga and know it's got a good amount of fanservice but its still not quite on the level of xb2. Swimsuits is just a monolith staple at this point and they're equal opportunity about it.
>>298496Didn't we just have this thread yesterday?
>>300287They'd have around the same level except Saga has Freaks which is a CD all about fanserviceIt's not up to debate which entry is more fanservice-yYou might be mistaking fanservice with light-hearted somehow
>>300287Really the only difference in fanservice between the two is that the character models in XBC2 look a lot better
>>300331The character models in XC2 are kinda blown up and proportioned in a way that makes them look more fanservicey. The concept art looks more tame.
>>300312Hard to give a shit about freaks when its japan only though
>>298496Why don't people remember all the cringe tropey shit in XC1? Remember when Shulk spared Mumkhar and Egil because "dude if we kill them we'll be just like them?"not saying xc2 isn't anime cringe but people really have rose tinted glasses for xc1
I recently hacked my 3ds, is that version good or should I play the wii version?
>>300501The lows of 2 are far worse than the lows of 1.
>>3005012 is more over the top
>>300501I didn't mind him sparing Egil, but Mumkhar was just stupid
>>298783>majority of character complaints boil down to lack of developmentYou people need to stop letting anime rot your brains, or at the very least indulge in other storytelling mediums.
>>300781Not him but there are plenty of anime where characters aren't about their development. Not sure where you got that generalization from.
>>300533No. Play the Switch version.
>>300572This is totally false. The lows of 2 are still pretty in theme and have interesting parts to them. But the lows of 1 are actually painful, nothing will ever come close to the awfulness that is Prison Island part 2.
>>298783>multi-fauceted villainsDamn, Jin and Malos must piss literal waterfalls.
>>300781To be fair, Xeno is a franchise renown for its character-driven narratives, with Xenoblade 1 being sort of a black sheep in this regard compared to everything before and after it.
>>298880Reminder that Riki was the first person to bring up a connection between High Entia and Telethia.
>>298517You remember Nia because she is the only welsh character in vidya ever
I'm playing this right now and while I love the environments and music and I like the combat but the story, worldbuilding and characters are pretty standard stuff. I like the game but I'm kinda getting the same feeling I got playing Persona 4 which is that it's been overrated for a decade by people who played it when they were a kid/teenager when it released.
>>301212Cope, the story, worldbuilding and characters are the best of the past 10 years.
>>298517I only remember Melia, Sharla and Fiora because I want to fuck them, just like Pyra/Mythra.I only remember Shulk because of Smash.I don´t remember Reyn and Dunban.None of these games have memorable characters, and that´s fine, because videgoGAMES are not about that.
>>301208Someone didn't play ni no kuni
>>301232Nice argument against a claim that something is overrated.
>>301232not really, the story is a pretty generic chosen heroes quest, the worldbuilding is pretty stock outside of the concept of the mechonis and bionis (but the way the races are all portrayed is pretty standard stuff, high entia are just not-elves etc) and the characters have almost no depth to them (its a jrpg so i'm not expecting a ton of depth but they're all pretty static and bland)
>>301246Actually I did. Who was the welsh char? Drippy? I thought he was Scottish,
>>301254You'd have to be braindead to call them standard in the sea of weebshit
>>298541XCX sold more than the original XC1 release AND the N3DS re-release, depsite being in a console with a way smaller playerbase and the censorship controversy.
>>301272Drippy was welsh
>>301208>forgetting the 2nd best KenwayJAY-SUS, anon.
>>301262>the story is a pretty generic chosen heroes questNo, you're just too retarded to appreciate a story that actually has the balls to get the MC on a genocide revenge quest and make a fantastic swerve to themes about fate and rebelling against opression. Not even gonna comment on the worldbuilding since you're obviously blind and can't appreciate how well crafted it is.>the story is a pretty generic chosen heroes quest>pretty static blandLiterally 100x more soulfull than the usual anime tropes and pandering shit you see in most JRPGs. They are grounded and believable.
>>301329it's not well crafted at all, and no amount of insults will change that
>>301337It actually kinda is but the problem is that a lot of is conveyed through all the bland questing you have to do instead of through the main story.
>>301337>it's not well crafted at all, and no amount of insults will change thatLook at how each level is placed around Bionis and Mechonis. No other video game has done that, that's peak worldbuilding.
>>301232Xenoblade 1's story, worldbuilding, and characters are extremely basic and shallow compared to Gears, Saga 1 and 3, and Blade X and 2
>>299775Shulk's screaming is more interesting than he isFiora is cardboard before during and after the gameReyn is your usual "dumbass who's wiser than he lets on" trope and nothing moreSharla might as well not exist Dunban does nothing cool or interesting enough to warrant the boner the devs have for himMelia is "uwuw feelings unreqwuited" magical girlRiki is lol cute funny creeturrI literally didn't give a single shit about any of them when I played
>>298783it's funny how Sharla's dimwit NPC little brother has more relevance than she does
>>301645Cope harder coomer
>>301782nooooo you cant say that xenoblade chronicles is the most well written jrpg of all time its full of souuuuul
>>298496I'd say that XC1's cast has absolutely no chemistry but you kind of need personalities for that
The virgin shulk>becomes useless without the monado or whenever the monado's deactivated>is carried entirely by his weapon due to his lack of strength>needs to be gifted muhnado powers by God when a battle's looking bleak>is carried throughout the story by powers and beings he barely understands>supposed scientist, even though his profession or implied intelligence is never relevant in the main story>probably leeched off of dickson's hard earned money>dense harem protagonist who's completely oblivious to Melia's advances on him>kills God like the archetypal JRPG protagonist he is>refuses to kill a mass murderer responsible for the death of estimated hundreds because he's a personThe chad Rex>loses the aegis but doesn't matter because he's actually competent enough to use other weapons effectively>strong from years of blue-collar labor, would beat shulk so hard in a fistfight he'd wish he'd have a mommy to cry home to>overcomes battles through quick thinking and working as a team>underdog who gets his ass kicked because he doesn't have God looking out for him, grows strong enough and surpasses everybody anyways>proud salvager, his entire character and ideals is shaped by his job>makes enough money to support himself and his entire village>rejects Nia by pretending to be retarded, its revealed later he was actually fully aware of her feelings all along>befriends God, God gives him his blessing to bang his daughter and kill his son >doesn't hesitate to kill people and sentient beings, Blades who've killed and hurt numerous people
Playing XBC for the first time right now. I'll leave this thread to avoid spoilers, but I'm at the part where Shulk just woke up from his mini-coma. It frustrates the hell out of me that the game is all like "we rely too much on Shulk/Monado/Zanza" "humans can take their own path to their own future" but in the end, Dunban and co. fail and are only saved by Shulk yet AGAIN. Also, if Zanza had been providing Shulk's lifeforce, how did Shulk come back to life? This isn't like FF7, where Cloud went into a coma until Tifa could help him patch his fragmented mind together (FF7 has many flaws in my eyes but they implemented this specific sequence significantly better); Shulk literally died and was without a lifeforce so how did he wake up? And how did he retain the power to see the future if that was because of Zanza? It's really stupid and frustrating to me that the game's dialogue wants to have this big message about humanity and fate and not needing gods, which is cool and epic and I'm all for games that say fuck destiny and that we can chart our own paths especially in JRPGs where 99% of the genre is chosen ones rising to their destinies, but the actual story is just Shulk exceptionalism.
>>299684>a collection of bad anime tropes felt unique
>>298508Not in every way, but I certainly prefer 2 to 1.1's biggest strengths were in its presentation.That's not constrained purely to the visual aspect but also the musical, the level-setup, the introduction of new gameplay elements, and in its story's pacing and such.Xenoblade is proof that things like good QoL and considerate presentation can elevate a consistently 7/10 game to a 9/10 or even a 10/10, because it's that presentation that helps the meat of the game resonate with players.I think XB2's characters, story writing and gameplay systems are all generally better than XB1's. But I can't really recommend XB2 to friends because I know the hump to get over until you get to the good shit is pretty significant. XB1 has no such barrier to entry, it gets right to work on getting players invested in the least painful ways possible for non-JRPG fans.
People who hate anime should never play Japanese games.
>>298517Aside from the memes, I don't really remember Reyn or Fiora that much.And I mostly remember Dunban for being a badass, and less because of his actual personality.I do think a lot about Rex and Pyra in XB2 though, I think they were decently well developed, though I wish we got a more in-depth camping/inn mechanic such that we could see some cute vignettes of the party interacting with each other, might have been a good way of progressively showing Rex and Pyra's relationship develop.XB2 also has the best character in the trilogy, so I can't really complain
>>302056Your last two questions will be answered later, but the short of it is that Alvis is the source of the Monado's power, he's supporting Shulk, which is why he can continue to live without Zanza and retains the ability to see visions.But the Shulk-centrism of XB1's story is always something that's been terrible. Sadly that only really gets better in FC, but even then they had to shoehorn him into an important role in a story he didn't really need to be involved in.
>>301976That's a bit too far.I think each individual member is generally more two dimensional than X or 2's characters, but that's also part of it's strength. XB1 has by far the best ensemble dynamics of the three games, and it fleshes out the party as a whole as if it were its own character. And that's largely because each individual cast member is a bit more simplistic, so it's easier to keep track of the dynamics between them
>>302117>And that's largely because each individual cast member is a bit more simplistic, so it's easier to keep track of the dynamics between themThat and over half of them knew eachother for a long time before the game even started. You'd kind of expect for a dynamic to be there at the minimum.
>>302094I don't hate anime, I hate happy-go-lucky blank slate shounen protagonists with Gary Stu powers. That garbage makes the medium look bad.
>>302056Apparently Meyneth used the last of her energy to protect Shulk so he wouldn't die. But yeah, it's pretty fucking stupid.
>>302052Shitposting aside, the reason why I prefer Rex over Shulk is because Rex earned his victories and triumph.Nearly every victory Shulk had up to Zanza's revival was just him being given brand new powers by Zanza through the Monado which he just used instinctively and half-assedly. I think Rex only powers up 3(?) times in the story, and for the most part it's practical power-ups rather than straight-up reality-bending cheats like the Monad gets.And Rex's victories relied more on his own strength, thinking and bonds with his team rather than Visions and Monado Arts conveniently given to him by God.Shulk's mostly just Zanza/Monado asspulls while Rex generally had to work hard and improve on himself to get where he got.
>>302113>But the Shulk-centrism of XB1's story is always something that's been terribleI think it's acceptable for what kind of story that is, but it is a bit of a shame that there aren't more side stories that go more into each party member a bit.>>302141True. At least four of them have an existing history, so it's just a matter of integrating the remaining cast into that foundation.
>>302148So you hate Shulk?
>>302148Good thing Rex is the exact opposite of that.
>>302148>happy-go-luckySure>blank slatea bit much but I can see it>Gary StuI would debate this, Rex is pretty much nothing without Pyra and Mythra.
>>302094They don't hate anime, they just hate a chunk of anime that they make sweeping generalisations about, and think liking them makes one look less "mature".
>>302112Kino1 is more consistently good but 2 has higher highs and lower lows. Whichever one you prefer ultimately comes down to your ability to look past a game's issues and your tolerance for "anime".
>>302175Rex also has a more natural, bigger and less abrupt character development arc than Shulk did too.
>>302195In what universe?
>>302231I'm sorry, I should have put "and believe it is fact that"
>MFW brainlets don't know why it's called the Monado
>>302252This one. He's like the least Gary Stu, and least special Xeno protagonist on an objective level. Maybe more of a Gary Stu than Cross, but that's it.
>>302056Zanza doesn't have any power his Blade does.
>>302252see >>302175Shulk's an even bigger Gary Stu than Rex is.
>>302252Wasn't the entire point of Rex was that he's literally just a nobody who works a laborous job who gets roped into a global conspiracy via just being at the wrong place at the wrong time? He spends most of the game getting his ass kicked and being told he's incompetent and that he should give Pyra over to somebody who actually knows what they're doing.
Is there a better JRPG antagonist than Malos?
>>302175>Nearly every victory Shulk had up to Zanza's revival was just him being given brand new powers by Zanza through the Monado which he just used instinctively and half-assedly.this was so disappointing because they gave him this whole backstory as this weapon developer, researcher of the monado, you'd think it'd be the perfect setup for him to study the monado as he uses it, master it and find its other abilities himself, instead of just getting into a shitty situation and suddenly unlocking a convenient new power over and over.and then later on, they have him lose the monado...and he gets given his new weapon from ANOTHER PERSON. even though his JOB is making weapons, and it would've been the perfect opportunity for him to use his skills to recreate his own monado himself! but nah
>>302327Albedo was great in EpI but just alright in II and III.Meanwhile Malos just gets more based as time goes on.
>>302322In other words, a generic underdog #564646
>>302327Yes but he's the best in Xenoblade by far.
>>302346The opposite of a Gary Stu, then.
>>298572wow xc1 sucks
>>302056Shulk developed his own monado. Remember when he said he was "feeling" what would happen in the future without having visions?Finish the game. It'll become clear.
>>302322Nia doesn't even believe him until well into the game and is just tagging along because she has literally nowhere else to go, still thinking about Jin even in chapter 2, Morag is an enemy until chapter 4 and it's revealed in chapter 6 why she wanted to believe in him, and same for Zeke in his respective chapters. The only straight up Gary Stu shit is Vandham leaving his mercenary group to him, and even then the dudes there at least make Rex work for it and being the driver of the fucking Aegis benefits them. So the only characters that genuinely believed him from the start were Tora and Poppi and they had their own hangups.
>>298517I wish I could forget Rex.He's the absolute worst designed protag from any "big profile" RPG in recent times.
>>302327>>302352>>302340>>302361There are better antagonists in general but he's my favorite by a country mile.I just beat FF6 for the first time and while I thought Kefka was pretty good in the role he served as the first-act antagonist who evolves into the main antagonist, he himself wasn't that complex.Malos on the other hand does the same thing and seems to play the role incredibly straight, deferring to Jin (who keeps getting stronger the more we see him), only to end up being the last man from Torna standing. It was cool seeing him in the end, with all the history he had with Rex and Pyra and new knowledge of what he was.
>>298572Here, I made it easier to read
>>302400To add to this, Rex himself isn't very interesting. He's merely average imo and some of his moments are pretty poorly written. Doesn't mean he's bad or ruins the game though.
How Xenoblade 1 deals with defeating a powerful enemy>W-What? My best friend is about to die and I can do nothing?>What's this? T-The Muhnado's conveniently giving me a new power? Right before my friend's about to die?>Better use it and save my friend!>Huh, it's a shield! Problem solved, and I didn't even have to really do anything.>It's almost like I'm being carried by this world's equivalent to a god hahaHow Xenoblade 2 deals with defeating a powerful enemy>It appears that my enemy's element is fire and thus weak to water. There is a water tower in the vicinity just outside the town, so I better run to said water tower>To topple the water tower, I must coordinate with my team mates through actually communicating with them to melt the tower's metal support beams to weaken it and then pull down the tower with our combined strength>This in turn spills all the water over the enemy, nullifying their fire power and giving us the upper edge to win and escape
>>302421>Doesn't mean he's bad or ruins the game though.LET'S SHOW THEM A THING OR THREE
>>302056Shulk gained the power of god and zanza panicked and ejected out of his body. He was eager to kill shulk ASAP after that because he was becoming a threat but didn't want to say it out loud or risk having Shulk realize it himself. Shulk decided to throw away all monados (powers of god) and live as a homs with everyone else.
>>302459>random battle dialogue that was probably there because of localisation anywayWhat's your point?
>>298508>Shittier gameplay>Shittier story>Shittier characters>Shittier musicXeno2cucks are beyond delusional
>>298555Spoken like someone who hasn't played the game
>>302484>Better gameplay>Better story>Better characters>Better musicCope.
>>298496>Amazing JRPG>Xenobladeanon, you can't be serious, right?
>>302441>T-The Muhnado's conveniently giving me a new power?Finish the game faggot. Zanza is deliberately keeping shulk alive to get him to kill Egil. Obviously he's not gunna stand there picking his asshole while the body he's inhabiting dies.Also the monado is literally GOD POWER and endgame SHULK IS NOW A GOD.Pay attention idiot.
Why does it feel like the only people who are extremely critical of Xenoblade 2 only played Xenoblade 1?I see more people who've played Xenogears or Xensoaga praise Xenoblade 2 than trash it.
>>302513>Why does it feel like the only people who are extremely critical of Xenoblade 2 only played Xenoblade 1?Not sure, I don't even notice that many of my friends who liked Xenoblade 1 trash Xenoblade 2. It seems like a small but vocal minority who have really particular preferences for JRPG's tone and presentation, and thought the entire Xenoblade series would be very similar to the first one.
>>302513It's the other way around. There's a reason why most people hate the xc2 portion of the fanbase, because they've only played that game and shitpost about the others
>>302513It's because Xenoblade 2 is the true successor to Xenogears that we've all waited for.
>>302508Where in my post did I imply that I didn't know this? Read the rest of the post you dumbass. >It's almost like I'm being carried by this world's equivalent to a god hahaI've played and beaten XB1 4 different times, it's one of my favourite games of the 2010s.It still doesn't excuse the fact that Shulk's entire character is literally asspulls regardless of whether or not Zanza (and Alvis) are giving him said powers. He's a boring Gary Stu protagonist.
>>302507>Posts a Shit Emblem character.LOL.
>>302542I like XC2 but this is just dumb. It's a celebration of Xeno and JRPG tropes but it's not nearly on Xenogears level.
>>302513Xenosaga elitists have hated Xenoblade 1 even back in 2011, so it's no surprise.
>>302459That line is gold though.
>>302513I played XC1 day one and I felt alienated as fuck when so many of its fans started shitting on 2. Both are pretty fucking good games, albeit with different strengths and weaknesses. I don't think most Xenogears and Saga fans care about Blade at all.
>>302557You're right, it far surpasses it.
>>302506Everything I said was true though?Combat sucks and just slightly improves when it opens up a hundred hours later (inb4 some retard tries to say it's "complex" and ""fast"")The story and characters are some of the most cliche animu trope shit in all JRPGs and easily the weakest on the series. Not saying tropes are bad but 2 over uses them heavily.Music is worse too. I can remember maybe 5 decent songs from 2, meanwhile every song from 1 is a banger.Sounds like (You) should cope, anon.
>>302602Yeah okay, I'm being baited.
>>298496I tried to play xenoblade chronicles x a few years back because I was looking for a jrpg on the wii u, I hated it to be frank, probably the worst jrpg i played on the Wii U, should I play the other games? I mainly hated it because of the combat.
>>302332I was so mad about that by the way, at least they followed through with it in FC, where he actually makes his own sword and upgrades it at the end
>>298517And you remember Morag because she's the most soulful character in the series.
>>302628>I mainly hated it because of the combat.Probably not.
>>302581I had some sympathy for the really angry fans back when the game came out, but now I have absolutely none. If it's 2020 and you're still enraged when anyone praises XB2, even as every bit of Xenoblade media released since hasn't continued in its style like people were fearmongering. and XBDE has proved that the expanded fanbase is more than willing to eat up games that aren't "waifubait", you get to get the fuck over it and move on.
>>302508That doesn't make his point any less correct. Also, who's the character that speaks to Shulk when he gets Monado Speed and Purge?
>>302628>I mainly hated it because of the combat.You won't like the others then, but you might like 2 since it's different compared to the other gamesYou should look up videos online even if playing and watching aren't exactly the same experience
>>298496>All these xeno2baby's seething at the truth.Every time. There's a reason why every xeno2 thread is just coomers cooming over waifus because that's all the game has going for it.
>>302679Go back to /v/ shitposter. It's obvious you haven't played the games.
>>302672And there's a reason why every XC1 thread is just meme phrases, thinly veiled waifuposting, and seething over XC2.
>>302672The truth is that 2 has surpassed 1 in every facet.
>>302644>Dunban>Nagi>Moragall the fucking badass party members in these games are the best
>>302513XC1 and XC2 are both terrible, albeit XC2 is more terrible because the shitty coomerbait character designs, somehow even worse combat, and the shitty music.
>>302657It's the XB2 fans that shit up the threads, you should pay more attention.
>>302657Yeah, the series heading down the wrong direction is the only leg they had to stand on. But I could tell they never really cared about that and these threads after Xenoblade DE was developed and sold well clearly show the absolute state of things on their side.
>>302644Morag is as duller than watching paint dry. Shit character.
>>302697In what way was that post shitposting? That is legitimately what happened for the first few months of X being released, you'd get threads derailed at least once or twice a week by someone insisting that Lin was bug-eyed moeshit or calling anybody waifufags just because they praised the game over 1.
>>302720XB2 fans are the ones who save Xeno threads.
>>302739And the musicYou forget the music
>>302720I don't see XB2 fans copy pasting threads to shipost against another games in the series..
>XC2 takes a little less than a year to sell 1 million.>XCDE sold 1.4 million in 2 months.We got too cocky XC2bros.....
>>302763X has the best OST in the series.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDbh3lLi1ZYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1aBg6qIGdUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n40Lxd53EcYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDtdIrU1vmIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIDn1dfa8Ic
>>302697There's literally nothing incorrect with that post
>>302792It has some good stuff and some bad stuff, but if you listened to XBX's OST then you've basically heard Sawano's entire repertoire
>>302776Also this shit >>302784When you know for a fact that if XCDE had sold less, there would shitposts about how the XC2 fanbase doesn't like Xenoblade and how the series is trash now and heading in a bad direction.
>>302700They're meme phrases because it's a soulful and very memorable game, anon. Xc1 will go down as a classic and be remembered fondly 10 years from now. Xc2 will be remembered as just another game in the series.
>>302826>Xc1 will go down as a classic and be remembered fondly 10 years from now. Xc2 will be remembered as just another game in the series.You have this backwards.
Xenoblade 1 is great up until after Prison Island but I have a feeling that anybody who enjoys the plot-hole ridden mess that is everything on the Mechonis or the absolute travesty of a writing that is Zanza and beyond, is legally mentally retarded.
>>302837Whenever Malos showed up, you knew you were in for some serious kino.
>>302826You're missing the forest for the trees. Most XC1's are entirely substanceless and don't reflect how good the game is, so it's unfair to also expect that of XC2 threads (despite the fact that they get more actual discussion of their own game, while half of XC1 threads revolve around shitting on 2)
>>302826>They're meme phrases because it's a soulful and very memorable game,Right, because memes can't take a life of their own to the point that they're regurgitated by people that have never even TOUCHED the source material, but want to feel included.
>>302815You're paranoid if you think this. Get help
>>302776Most of the shitposting directed at 2 is the result of XB2fags shitposting the other games.
>>302865Lol didn't something similar happen with XCX?
>>302841No, he's entirely right. Among the larger gaymer community, that's how it will be seen.
>>302100Dunban's personality was basically just "badass", and then specifically the mold of "older badass with disability that doesn't stop them from kicking ass and stealing the show" that JRPGs keep in their pocket.And that's a good thing.
>>302826Xenoblade 2 has gotten multiple daily threads reach bump limit multiple times in a day consistently for over three years, which Xenoblade 1 never did, even with the resurgence in popularity that is DE.Xenoblade 1 isn't polarizing, controversial, or complex enough to generate endless discussion.People still remember and talk about Xenogears for the same reason people talk about Xenoblade 2, they're controversial games with polarizing opinions and multiple ways you can interpret things (and thus constant discussion).People haven't really dissected Xenoblade 1's lore like how they did (and still do) with Xenoblade 2, which gave it a lot more discussion lifespan.
>>298496Xenoblade 2 is the best if you disagree you're a tranny a nigger or a feminist and should leave this board.
>>302865Nah, the motivation behind anti XC2 shitposting has been exactly what I mentioned for the most part. If XCDE sold less the shitposting would be absolutely further that agenda.>>302880>the result of XB2fags shitposting the other games.Things that barely ever happened and when questioned about this countless times, most shitposters always say it's because they're scared of the series going in a bad direction. Which didn't happen, because XCDE sold more.
>>302848>ImplyingIf anything the game picks up after prison isle.
>>302921No, the pacing picks up. The quality of the writing plummets to the point I can't believe it's actually written by the same people behind Xenogears and Xenosaga 1&3.
I'm afraid we may never reach this level of soul again, lads.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c-UeXRKBlohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRozKBFtRCUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA7pFI4pEv0
>>302848It's still a great game, you just kind of have to enjoy it in a Code Geass or Gurren Lagann sort of way. The plotholes/poor writing doesn't stop the high octane entertainment and wild ride, especially Mechonis Core and the final boss.
>>302935Takahashi's pretty harsh on the writing of Xenoblade 1 as well if you look at interviews from the era. But he didn't write most of Xenoblade 1's plot, that credit mostly goes to Takeda. Takahashi was in charge of Eryth Sea, where the game actually peaked in writing, though.
>>302953>Just turn your brain off, bro!
>>302913>Things that barely ever happened Delusional as fuck.
>>302961>that credit mostly goes to TakedaIsn't that the guy that wrote all the even number chapters in XC2? Lmao
>>302784xc2 sold over a million in its first month when there were only 11 million switch's sold
>>302946Literally the same composers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lFBH2MGTRwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChZxjDOzeC8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq2xoIMlzqs
>>302974You described xc2
>>302992I could simply say the same to you, but I don't want to resort to non-arguments or replies like yours.
>>302974No, I don't mean that>>303008Cringe
>>302935No it doesn't. The Mechonis events are all kino.
>>303008Why would I turn my brain off for the game with the much more heavy, layered and least straightforward story of the trilogy?
>>303008XB2 is the opposite.
>>302995It didn't sell that much in it's first month.
>>303035No, they're hotblooded and hype to mask the fact that they're extremely poorly written. Egil is one of the biggest contradictions that Monolith Soft's ever shat out.
>>303058Play a game besides 2.
>>303058You're delusional and retarded if you think this
>>303058>>303063Shut the fuck up
>>303070How is it a contradiction? He's a great antagonist. You're not saying anything.
>People letting false flaggers ruin Xeno threads on /vrpg/ You should all go back to /v/.
>>303115Bold of you to assume I don't have /v/ open in another tab.
>>303075>>303083This is an objective fact though. Regardless of whether or not you hate Xenoblade 2's story or think it's bad (I actually prefer Xenoblade 1's story over Xenoblade 2's), Xenoblade 2's story from an objective standpoint is not only more story-heavy that Xenoblade 1, but it's a lot more complex and layered that Xenoblade 1's story largely due it its character-driven narrative (which Xenoblade 1 lacks as it's a story-driven narrative) and the immense world-building that is put into the game.This isn't a subjective opinion. This is something observable.You can say Xenoblade 2's story is bad (in many ways, it actually is). It's still the most complex Xenoblade story by a mile and no amount of "Nuh uh, I don't like it" won't change that.Gormott alone has more lore, conflict and backstory/history than nearly everything between spanning BIonis Leg to Makna Forest, and it's one of the more basic Titans.
>>302899>>302905Based holy shit
>>303065yes it did, it was about 1.06 million. source is march 31 2018 nintendo IR report
>>303148>but it's a lot more complex and layered that Xenoblade 1's storyImagine thinking this.
>all these samefagging XC2fagsThe cope is real
>XC2 fans: give measured, level headed in depth responses as to why they think the games have more depth>XC1 fans: lol copeYeah, this says all I need to know
>>303202There's no need to imagine, because it's actually true.Complexity is an objective observation, not a subjective opinion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIk47RpZ6dg
>>303223Why should anyone engage with some waifutards delusions?
>>303148Just because something tries to be "complex" doesn't mean it's good.
>>303249Nice goalpost shift.
>>303249Reread the post again. I even said that Xenoblade 2's story is bad in many ways and that I prefer Xenoblade 1.Xenoblade 2's story is objectively more complex than Xenoblade 1 though.
>>303172It sold a few hundred thousand in it's first month according to mediacreate
>>303240Well if they're so wrong it must be incredibly easy to disprove them, right?
>>303263Xenoblade 2's story is objectively less complex than Xenoblade 1's.
>>303223>give measured, level headed in depth responses as to why they think the games have more depthWhere?
>>303275Completely and utterly false, but I'll humor you. Can you provide proof to back up this? Xenoblade 2's story/lore is explained in the video of this post as my proof >>303231
>>303291>Can you provide proof to back up this?Yes.
>>303257I'm not.>>303263So you agree that it tries to complex and fails in it's execution due to having a weaker story.
>>303296It doesn't fail in its execution. I just prefer Xenoblade 1's simpler plot to Xenoblade 2's historic epic.
This circular argument is some real ACfag tier shit.
>>303291>Parroting eceleb opinionsCan you think for yourself and present your own points?
>>303343He already said it's not an opinion, that video just recites what is in the game.
>>303314It does though because the story is worse.
When did you realize 2 was better than 1, /vrpg/?
>>303362Not him but this whole time you've never actually explained why you think that, while the other side at least tried to explain their reasoning.
>>303370Go back to resetera
>>303343Hey are you that guy who kept bringing up Enel on one thread on /v/ even though no one else did, acting as though the belief that Xenoblade 2 has a deeper combat system than 1 was a parroted opi nion?
>>302886I agree.I think he was still fun, and most of these games usually have someone like him. But he wasn't that well developed (though I love his H2H with Fiora about Mumkhar and how his feelings on him are still complicated, it's probably the best writing around him aside from that Riki H2H)
>>303399It's not even a belief; it's just a matter of fact.
>>303394Resetera are the ones that trashed its character designs to the point you can easily find them on google images.
>>303399>>303423Go suck e celeb cock XC2cuck
>>303423I assume this is Eye of Shining Justice Zeke?Motherfucker turning his chuuni dreams into realityI think my ideal at this point would be having just straight up action-gameplay in the combat but bringing in RPG character building in choosing what moves are available and what can be cancelled into what and so forth
Xenoblade 1 is an extremely simple, and stereotypical JRPG plot executed extremely well. The plot doesn't deviate from the standard JRPG story-telling but instead embraces it and twists it into a tightly packed and well-paced narrative. Motivations tend to be black and white, and for the most part villains (excluding Egil) are blatantly evil because it progresses the plot. Protagonists, your party, allies, villains, and antagonists are all mostly basic characters with enjoyable personalities and fun quotes who stay true to their character from beginning to end, but they stay this way to serve their purpose in moving the story forwardXenoblade 2's an overly ambitious, very inspired and multifaceted JRPG plot executed extremely middlingly and without proper polishing. The plot subverts a lot of common JRPG expectations whilst also trying to hearken back to an earlier era of Japanese story-telling. It suffers from pacing issues in the early half. Motivations generally tend to be very morally gray, and even the truly evil villains have understandable reasons to do what they're doing within context, and their motivations tend to overlap and criss-cross over into other characters motivations and create a large web of inter-character drama. The plot is progressed by the characters, and the story often slows down or even halts to take time to flesh out the protagonists and the antagonists. Interpretations and impressions of characters change with revelations throughout the plot, or through later retrospection. The characters change throughout the plot because the story is ultimately about the characters.
>play XBC on the Wii>love it as one of the best jrpgs I've ever played, shat all over The Last Story>5 years later play XBC2>started off rough but came to like it with time>consider it not as good as XBC despite having better combat >2 years later play XBC:DE on Switch>even with the updated combat system realize it's nowhere near as good as XBC2The power of rose tinted goggles I guess. Future Connected was nice though
>>303478both are good games but despite all its faults i appreciate 2 a lot more
>>302795Then why it was deleted?
>>303487Rex has easily got to be in the top 5 JRPG protags.
>>303264Medicare was only japan sales, both Xenoblades sold one million in their first month GLOBALLY.
>>303264Should I listen to Nintendo or Mediacreate?
>>303450I think that's your thing, ecelebfag.
>>303552That anon id completely ignoring that mediacare only showed japan sales.
>>303566That makes a lot more sense >inb4 only Japan sales matter
>>303586>only Japan sales matterThis but unironically.
>>302826>Xc1 will go down as a classic and be remembered fondly 10 years from now
>>303487>>303525Oh hey, I created both of these images.
>>303464He becomes a murdercoaster with that on, but it takes a while to get used to his new timing
>>303657Adolchads win again
>4chan shitpost trying to make a civil war.>Meanwhile Nintendo just advertise them together.
DON'T FORGET ME
>>303657>adolposterI refuse to believe anybody with good enough taste to enjoy Ys would defend Xenoblade 2
>>303721I'm still mad they patched that out
I feel like, in terms of Xenoblade, each game has been a step in trying to fully retell Gears in a rebooted manner. Blade 1 was about 50% of the way there, Blade 2 was about 75% of the way there, and Blade 3 will more than likely be 100% of the way there. It helps that the prior mentioned games established the frame work for the series, and things have been steadily built up over time, instead of being dropped as one overly ambitious package like Gears. For as much praise as Gears gets, I feel like a majority of people didn't truly experience the story. Characters fall into irrelevancy harder than Blace, the story is an exposition dump on par with a LN, and a lot narrative aspects aren't fully explained. >>303654Hasn't that already happened, though? XB1 is already 10 years old.
>>303732Xenoblade 2 is the only JRPG that can go toe to toe with Ys.
>>302784>1.4 millionIts 1.3 million, also having a higher install base and only sell 300k more when 2 had to work with 11 million install base is nothing to be proud of. The true test is legs.
>>303747>Hasn't that already happened, though?No.
>>303732What an extremely pathetic post, anon.>how dare you have good taste but then enjoy things I don't like
>>303750>XC2 is the only JRPG that can go toe to toe with YS >What is Skies of Arcadia, Persona 2 Duology, Breath of FireDude, what?
>>303747>Become a classicPeople barely give a shit about this series. Hell, Awakening would be a classic before any Xenoblade game.
>>303782I think he's just funposting
>>303767I'm pretty sure it has, unless we're revising history. 1 has cemented itself as a cult classic that defied the odds, 10 years after it's release. It's kind of hard to forget it, when it's been on every system since the Wii, for starters.
>>303796Sales in recent times would beg to differ, but it's not overly shilled like FE is, which arguably speaks a lot about FE as a whole.
>>303824>overly shilled like FEFE has more appeal than Xenoblade. If Monolith Soft wants a bigger audience they need to change themselves a bit since all 3 Xenoblade games have elements that hurt wide spread appeal.
>Why yes, I am the best Xeno game. What made it so obvious?
>>303750The most based poster on all of 4chan right now.
>>303782he's saying that ys the only other series shit enough to compare with xenoblade 2, which is true
>>303872I can see how FE has more appeal, especially due to the more social simulator aspects they've been dumping in the games lately. That said, Xenoblade isn't hurting in appeal, or hurting at all. 2 was overly controversial here, but it still managed to break 1.7 with no trouble, and here we are with DE breaking 1.3 million in the course of like a month or two despite being a remaster. In what world is this series hurting in appeal?
>>304055>In what world is this series hurting in appeal?The world where Persona outsells it by a factor of 5.
>>304078I don't see how Persona outselling it means that it's hurting in success, or appeal.
>>304093He's probably a Persona drone who wants every game to be a social simulator. Ignore him. >>298783Long blogpost, but in all honesty, you're really exaggerating.
>>303747>the story is an exposition dump on par with a LNI've been playing it recently and I dread every time they give Citan a chance to speak because he won't stop talking or give exposition or think something cryptic that won't be explained until laterThe super slow text crawl doesn't help either
I've only played 1 and I enjoyed the gameplay, aesthetic, and characters a lot. From the outside, 2 looks like it's haremshit filled with anime tropes and gacha mechanics, but all the XC2 fans ITT have piqued my curiosity. Is all that actually not as bad as it seems?
>>304184This practically a pasta-lite at this point
>>298882is there anyone who doesn't?
>>303762How is this nothing to be proud of? Instead of pitting game sales in the same series against each other in a redundant war, you need to analyze the bigger picture. This is all around a success, considering it's basically a budget remaster with a new coat of graphics, and UI. Not only that, but a victory lap since 1 already kick started the series.
>>304212Don't feed the trolls.
>>304184There is no harem element to any Xeno game.
>>304118I think it's mainly the text speed. I'm fine with the exposition per say, since I love lore and what not, but it does get a little tiring sometimes.
>>304212I don't go into xeno threads very often, sorry
>>304256Yeah, my bad. Should be obvious by now but some dumbasses like >>304261 don't know.
>>304261Harem posts come from people who haven't played the game. Each title, or part of the series has an established pairing.
>>304276I mean I should be fine with it too but sometimes the info being presented by him is just redundant
>>301782Rex's screaming is more interesting than he isPyra is cardboard before during and after the gameZeke is your usual "dumbass who's wiser than he lets on" trope and nothing moreTora might as well not existMorag does nothing cool or interesting enough to warrant the boner the devs have for herNia is "uwuw feelings unreqwuited" cat girlPoppi is lol cute funny robotI literally didn't give a single shit about any of them when I played
>>298542>Xeno2 babs were the shitposting spammers the whole timeIt all makes sense.>>298993>>302539based.>>299017>implying "anime" is an umbrella term >>299482Some of these are really stretching it. Like that image comparing FF VII and XIII.>>300261Freaks is the only thing comparable to 2.>>301232Not really.>>301645But also not really. I noticed more detail into the game's world while playing DE than I did years ago.>>302193>>302195Did you not play 1 or 2?>>302322He gets his ass saved and things handed to him on a silver platter all the time.>>302175>>302295>>302441>>302510>forgetting Mythra>Shulk using the power he wields somehow doesn't count or is "relying" on god>>302697dumb shitposter
>>301782>Dunbun does nothing coolStopped reading there.
>>305234Name one (1) cool thing Dunban does.
>>305234Dunban stops developing as a character the moment that one year flashback at the beginning of the game ends. What an utterly boring character.
>>305290That thing at the beginning of the game.
>>305300Are you that one butt hurt Morag fan that started coping when we said he was cooler?
>>305404No, I'm a Nagichad. Dunban's just one of the most boring and static party members in any Xeno game.
>>305404Morag >>> Dunban
>>305432This too. But Nagi > all
>>303487>happily in a relationship with 2 girlsAccording to the NG+ screen that should say "Happily in a relationship with 3 girls." It's canon.
>Dunban threatening /vrpg/ this muchHe's too chad for them, I guess.
>>305462No, nia is a cuck that sleeps at the end of the bed like a pet. And then there's the 50/50 chance of Rex simply being friends with his blade girls, too.
>>305300>Dunban stops developing as a character the moment that one year flashback at the beginning of the game ends.He hasn't even been developed yet at that point, what the fuck are you talking about? At that moment you don't even know his reason for fighting yet.
>>305500Dunban is literally the same exact character at the end of the game that he was at Sword Valley at the beginning of the game. You'd have to be delusional to think otherwise. He's an incredibly static, shallow character.He's out-cooled by Xenogear's cool party members, Xenosaga's cool party members, Xenoblade X's cool party members and Xenoblade 2's party members.Dunban might as well not even be considered a character, he's just Sharla except unlike Sharla he has cool quotes.
>>305481>he doesn't know about the NG+ screen, or is living in denial that Rex is a chad polygamist with 3 loving wives.Sad!
>>305529>Dunban might as well not even be considered a character, he's just Sharla except unlike Sharla he has cool quotes.This actually makes me angry.
>>305553Angry because the truth hurts?
>>305527>doesn't recognize switch filenames>>305533But I do. But it doesn't mean anything. Especially with Nia pathetically lagging along. Also,>rex>chad>>305569Don't shitpost with Judeau.
>>305529Oh, I get it, you're one of those retards character development = character must change.Character developments means learning more about the character; their relationships, their motives, their way of thinking. It does NOT mean that they MUST change. Yes, he IS a static character, so what? Some characters are dynamic and some are static, neither are better than the other.
>>305580>Confirmed in denial about polygamyJust think of Rex as someone to emulate, rather than be jealous of.
>>305580It's not shitposting when it's the truth. You could make it so only Shulk, Fiora and Melia are the only playable characters in the game and the story would hardly change.Dunban is such a pointless character. What does he even do, outside of being in a flashback, then protecting Colony 9 with Shulk and Reyn, and rejoining the group at Colony 6? He does literally nothing notable after that point. Sure, he has his lines but his role in the story is over the moment he joins your party for good. The worst part is, Dunban actually had the potential to be an incredibly involved character in the plot. He was the former wielder of the Monado. He's an esteemed war hero. His two best friends are working with the game's two major villains. His fucking sister is the catalyst that sent Shulk, Reyn, and soon Dunban out in the first place.Surely, Dunban should be just as involved as say Melia or Fiora, right? Wrong.Dunban could stay in Colony 9 and never rejoin your party, or Dunban could have fucking died heroically in Sword Valley and the plot would hardly change.
>>305610>learning more about the characterYou can judge Dunban's entire character based on the 10 minutes we spend with him at the very beginning of the game, and he acts like that the entire game.And yes, I do expect characters to change. It's supposed to be a Xeno game, after all. Maybe characters changing is too much to expect from Monado: Beginning of the World.
so what happens in future connected?
>>305682Melia gets a somewhat happier ending where she still doesn't get to fuck Shulk but at least her people aren't completely screwed over and she makes up with Tyrea
>>305682No idea. I dropped it despite it apparently being pretty short. It just didn't hook me at any point and the changes to gameplay were fucking awful.
>>305654I'm not even going to bother reading these blogposts, but why does Dunban need to go through such massive growth? He's basically the mentor figure who has gone through most of his growth already outside of the main story. He's not a hot headed teenager.
>>305654>Using Fiora as an exampleNow you're shitposting.>>305417Nagi is a boring cliche that tributes just as much of nothing as Dunban does. There's plenty of more interesting characters in X. Murderess? Elma? Shit, even Lin is more entertaining.
>>305731There's a difference between massive growth and actually showing more than one emotion.Without exaggeration, and without oversimplifying anything, Dunban's entire character can be summarized with two words, "Muh destiny".
>>305753Fiora's a static character personality-wise but her role in the story is practically unmatched.
>>305722>changes to gameplay were fucking awful.All they did was swap chain attacks with Ponspectors and take away visions. How does that make the gameplay "fucking awful"?
>>305778Honestly, Fiora could have stayed dead and the story would hardly change. They only brought back Fiora as a way to introduce Meyneth.That's the thing with most of 1's cast; They're bad characters but they need to exist because they support the story.
>>305782Because the ponspectors are worse than chain attacks, removing the relevance ability colors had as well as the composition of your ability bar. There's 1 team play element out the door.Taking away visions I wouldn't be too bothered by, except they didn't redesign the enemy AI to accommodate the change. So now, unless you want to get one shot often, you'll have to go around preemptively spamming shield/armor on shulk, because there is no time to react to any enemy art usage. Additionally, this basically means you're forced to use shulk for any remotely challenging content (which the expansion also lacks, probably cause they realized the change was fucking stupid but were too late in development to revert it so they instead tuned down the fights)
>>305811Melia and Riki really deserved to be in a better game.
>>305851Melia got Future Connected.Riki will acquire the Monadopon and isekai himself into Xenoblade 3
>>305811Saying they're bad characters is an exaggeration when they do get proper characterization. To begin with, complaining about character development when that's not even the focus of the narrative is retarded. It favors focusing on the grand narrative whereas the 2nd game is more character development focused again.
>>305811They brought back Fiora for that confrontation between her and shulk's body, being controlled by meyneth and zanza respectfully. It was merely for the metaphorical effect. 2 lovers that were forced to fight one another because some autist gods couldn't make up.Too bad that in true jrpg fashion they pussied out of any cool idea.
>>305765From that post alone, I can tell you didn't play the game. Either you did and you're purposely skipping over events to shitpost, or you're being redundant. Either which way, Dunban does show emotion on a multitude of occasions, and I'm pretty sure he only mentions destiny like.. twice, or three times throughout the 10+ hour narrative?
>>305874That doesn't even sound cool. It sounds like fan fiction, and I'm glad it didn't happen. They confront each other in the story either which way, so I don't see the point.
>>305863I get that Xenoblade 1 isn't trying to be about character development, but in a series that's known for its character development it's a valid criticism.Imagine that your favourite fantasy novel series got a new entry, but even though it was named as a legit entry in said series, it focused on completely different things from what the story's known for. These things aren't bad on their own, but within context of the series as a whole it's a complete step in an unwanted direction.That's Xenoblade 1 to Xeno fans.
>>305885Oh cool, Dunban was overwracked with emotions for like 3 seconds upon seeing Fiora at the Fallen Arm. What an incredibly riveting character.
>>305899It would have been cool if they didn't revive her and shulk for free, which only adds to zanza's stupidity (again, in true jrpg fashion).
I liked both.But you're fucking blind if you think XB1s original muppetmouth style was any good.
>>305902That makes sense, but honestly I feel like people exaggerate how much XB1 deviates from the average formula of Xeno games. All of the story beats, down to character archetypes are downright similar. The only difference is that it's story driven, and not character driven. I found FC to be a nice change of pace in the realm of XB1 because of this, because it actually does focus on character relationships in better depth.
>>305916That's not even the only occasion, but continue spreading falsified information to push your narrative.
>>305916Is your entire argument, showing emotion good? He's the cool headed leader figure. Why is him staying level headed, and collected a negative development..?
Does anyone have a link to the interview where Takahashi claims he intentionally wrote it for Shulk to be generic, barebones, agreeable, and relatable as possible to appeal to the general JRPG mainstream after people criticized Shion and Fei so heavily?
>>305959>muppetmouth stylewhat did he mean by this
>>305959I think people got tired of pretending to like the original art style.
>>305621Sorry, niacuck. So sorry for her loss, bro.
>>305707Why can Shulk come off as a huge asshole in this heart to heart? Seems pretty inconsistent with how he usually acts.
>>306098>pretendingThe original had soul.
I'm going to break this analysis down into 3 parts, but I think people missed the narrative, heavily. Zanza used the reality editing machine, to bastardize the natural laws of physics, he put in its place, the metaphysics of the monadology. Why the monadology? Maybe klaus was a fan? Maybe its a coincidence? Who knows? Since xeno games are so straightforward and on the nose with their source material, typically perusing a cliff notes book, or even easier, the wiki page is all that is needed to make the 'aha's connections' for the basic rules they use as the guideline for their world (it's where they go from their that makes for the crazy fun). Important takeaways that define the world of xenoblade:The basic order is three-tiered: (1) entelechies or created monads (§48), (2) souls or entelechies with perception and memory (§19), and (3) spirits or rational souls.1 is inanimate matter.2. Is non sentient animals.3. Is human beings and 'spirits' like 'god'.Each thing has a 'prime' monad, which controls all the other monads that make up it's being, similarly, the god monad, is a part of everything, and all the prime monads of everything fall in to line under it. The pre established harmony of events. It's broken down pretty much by cognitive ability. Although, the main takeaway as far as the game is concerned is the prime monad controls all others, and the number 3. This is why xenoblade, is obsessed with the number 3. The prime monad can perceive and thus exist through every single monad in the pre established harmony of events, at all points in time, with absolute clarity.
>>306098>pretendingIt was fine. /v/ and /vrpg/ overrates how bad the faces were, too. They were bad, but people were pretending it was bioware tier.
>>306197Observable reality is not real, as it is observed, Monads are psionic, and what is observed as reality is only the result of perceptions which exist as the complete concept of the soul, programmed Into monads, and psionically fed to beings via monads, by the prime monad. So no monads actually interact with each other, or even any 'matter' they perceive, there is no causality, no actual reacting to stimuli, nothing and no one makes it's own choice, everything is Synchronous, and only appears to interact, because that's what 'God' scripted.In other words, every event or interaction that has ever taken place was scripted by 'God', similar to how a wind up clock puts on a show, and no sapient being ever had a say, even in anything as small as choosing to try and hold in a fart.So getting back to xenoblade almost EVERYTHING that happened in the game was scripted by Zanza. Including fioras death, and shulk being completely unable to change it, and suddenly being paralyzed while it happened, the reason Egil was allowed to exist despite wanting and trying to kill the bionis.... everything. It was all a big show by Zanza, to get shulk to go off on his journey of revenge, unseal the Monado, and become the proper vessel, capable of using the Monado in full, Zanza needed, to continue his existance with all his power. But... if Zanza controlled everything, and all existed in his pre existing harmony, why did he need to put on a show a thousand years in the making to convince shulk?
>>306212Because in order for him to have a vessel suitable of wielding the Monado in full. And thus, retaining his 'god' status when he took the new body, a monadi using Shulk would quickly begin to exist outside the pre established harmony of events, and so that prestablished series of events, was used to put on a show, to railroad shulk to do what Zanza wanted... at which point the body would be taken, and the conciousness of shulk deposed, before he could ruin everything.Literally the only thing that could ruin Zanzas plan, was a being that existed outside the pre established harmony of events. In Xenoblade, there were 3 (not including Zanza of course). And each was marked with and shared the same a symbol.Each being that exists outside of the pre established harmony of events was a literal chaos bringer. Since they could make their own decisions, every single thing they did, was a butterfly effect, not just effecting them, but radiating chaos (statistical choas) to everything in proximity to them, or the choices they made. Meyneth chose fioras body, this was NOT part of Zanzas plan, her visit to prison island was NOT part of Zanza's plan, and she kick started shulk moving beyond the pre established harmony of events much more rapidly than Zanza's data had shown him.
I'll definitely give it a shot when Switch emulation gets better.
Is there a more well written, complex and nuanced character than Dunban in all of fiction?
>>306212>Observable reality is not real, as it is observed, Monads are psionic, and what is observed as reality is only the result of perceptions which exist as the complete concept of the soul, programmed Into monads, and psionically fed to beings via monads, by the prime monad. So no monads actually interact with each other, or even any 'matter' they perceive, there is no causality, no actual reacting to stimuli, nothing and no one makes it's own choice, everything is Synchronous, and only appears to interact, because that's what 'God' scripted.This is just Leibnizian metaphysics.
>>306028What you said is heavily exaggerated as usual in these threads, but he did say that he made Shulk more impressionable since there was negative backlash to Shion's character. Granted she was really realistic as a female MC, but a lot of aspects were downright annoying.
>>306197But /vrpg/ told me the narrative lacked depth, and was bad
>>306272This is what soul looks like.
>>306304Could he salvage the Xenoblade franchise if he were the protagonist of all three games?
>>306324>This is what buzzwords look likeVery cute. Too bad her series is dead.
>>306266Properly implemented into vidya narrative as a second layer, disguised as a revenge quest.
>>306189Damn the original looks lifeless now.
>>302327He's my favorite
>>306163>Seems pretty inconsistent with how he usually acts.Shulk comes off as much less on the spectrum due to Howden's acting, but the writing supports the idea that he's pretty trash at reading social queues
>>306197>>306212>>306224I just wish some of this related back to Shulk and the first act narrative.XB1 often feels like the literal narrative and the higher themes are largely separated
>>306678I never got that impression, truthfully. It always felt like things were intertwined nicely into a bow, and of course things start being more apparent during the climax of the narrative, or later.
>>306574That would explain why he seems so different during sidequests and text interactions in general.
>>306732>It always felt like things were intertwined nicely into a bowI've played XB1 annually and there's definitely a shift in tone when Zanza shows up. Much of the plot around the earlier acts are around xenophobia and racism and revenge. When Zanza enters the picture in earnest, the things that Shulk and other characters talk about take a turn for the metaphysical in a way taht is definitely not really present earlier on.The biggest thing about the Monadology is that it's very relevant to Zanza but not made into a character-centric development for Shulk and co beyond a sort of broad "defy destiny" idea.I'll keep your ideas in mind for this year's playthrough though
Every monad is windowless and pregnant with the future.
>>306872That makes sense. Although, there were a lot of hints earlier in the narrative. Like Shulk saying he hears voices in his head, and of course the scene where Zanza tells Fiora/Meyneth "you exist outside of the pre established harmony", or passage of fate.
>>298496Xenoblade 1 has dogshit mechanics.Spike is a dogshit mechanic. I have never seen anyone who likes it so I don't think I need to explain it.Enchant is a dogshit mechanic. Slows down every battle. I wouldn't mind if Mechon were boss only, but those shits are common enemies. (Sorry if this gets fixed later in the game and everyone is able to damage Mechon, I haven't gotten that far yet).Missing because you're low-leveled is a dogshit mechanic. Grinding and completing sidequests to reach the level requirement completely breaks immersion and sense of urgency.Positional attacks isn't exactly dogshit, it's just really poorly executed. Enemies can turn around and make you walk in circles as it deals damage to you and you don't deal damage to them. The worst part is, you need to use positional attacks to charge the chain gauge.
>>307078>Completely skipped over every Anti-Mechon weapon in the game>Even when the game practically screams artyou to buy them when you reach Sword ValleyLook at this dude and laugh.
>>307078Spikes suck, yes. Anti Mechon weapons are a thing for the party, and both Shulk, Melia, and Riki utterly trivialize them because the later use ether, so Enchant is irrelevant as soon as Sword Valley hits. Grinding is a meme, and isn't a necessity.
I'm not sure how exactly XC1 is supposed to be so much better than XC2. I finished XCDE along with Future Connected fairly recently with about 150h in total, did every quest that I was able to find but didn't follow any guide to get absolutely everything, hit lvl 99. I started XC2 and I'm in chapter 5 and it feels like there's a fair bit left to go, so my opinion on it isn't complete at this point but I feel like I played enough to not.That being said XC2 already looks like a significant upgrade to me in many areas. The combat is more complex and seems to offer a lot more options, both in-battle but also in terms of party building due to the many different Blades with many different abilities and bonuses and what seem to be more options as far as items go (Cores/Aux Cores/Driver accessories), not to mention Poppi who is fully customizable. In XC1 it felt like the only significant customization came from gems and maybe art choices and the gem refining system was heavily RNG based, both for drops and for actual refinement, yet could be quite easily be broken to the point where I always got perfect level VI gems no matter what trash components I started out with. The battle system in and of itself in XC2 also feels much more involved due to attack cancels, art cancels, elemental Blade combos, driver combos, different weapons per blade and due to orbs and the new Chain Attack as well. Combat in XC1 quickly grew repetitive to me since there just wasn't that much to it.Then in terms of general game design XC2 also seems a lot better, XC1 had a lot of tedium with very low-effort side quests which XC2 clearly improves upon, the affinity grind for heart-to-hearts didn't help either. I felt like level design and visuals were a strong point in XC1 and these aspects are even further enhanced in XC2 and the areas themselves are MUCH more fleshed out than XC1.>>298695Stripper clothes, you say?
>>306134>if only I call him a niacuck, what is canon will no longer be canon!Cringe and not catpilled, fren. Only the most beta of men are jealous and deny another man's harem.
>>307059>Although, there were a lot of hints earlier in the narrativeOh, I completely agree the events themselves were foreshadowed. The shift I'm talking about is in terms of themes and focus. The story ideas become a lot more abstract after Zanza is revealed. The literal events were foreshadowed well, but the themes that are the focus of the characters' arcs and development change at the Zanza twist
>>307672Honestly, that's true. Although I think the themes were foreshadowed well, and scattered across the narrative before it becomes incredibly relevant. That said, Shulk's quest for revenge does end at Mechonis Core, so it makes sense.
>>307405>XB2 areas>more fleshed outObjectively false.>>307576>fren>>>/dumblr/>>>/twitter/Also, nice """canon""" you dumb niacuck.
>>307888Facts don't care about your feelings.
>>307922True, but irrelevant to the conversation insofar as 1 having better areas than 2.
>>307821>All this seetheIt's hard to understand why one man must be so miserable just because another found happiness with three beautiful waifus.
>>3079422 has more fleshed out areas than 1, though.
>>307975>projectingYou will never fuck Rex.
I wish I could forget XBC2 So I can experience it for the first time again
>>308058This but unironically.
>>307987You guys always post these grids, but when you actually get around to playing the game, the environments don't feel as fun to explore after awhile due to how dense the world is
>>308601I had a pretty damn fun time exploring themExcept Genbu, it can fuck right off
>>298496Am I seriously the only one who enjoyed XB1 and XB2?
>>309289pretty sure most people here enjoyed both, there's just a very vocal minority that bitch about 2. Probably haven't even played the first one desu
>>309289>Am I seriously the only oneStatistically unlikely.
>>309289Love all 3 and none of this shitflinging will ever change that.
Started playing DE and the face buttons being mapped to your arts in 2 is way better than this menu shit.
>>309395By my calculation, there's 7.
>>309437I assumed he was only talking about Xenoblade. I like Gears too, but haven't played Saga.
The more Xenogames I play, the more I start to dislike XB1 (outside of it's exploration and world design, I've yet to play XBX though). Like, I loved Dunban when I played the original game back in 2015, but while playing DE, I couldn't stop thinking about how much better Jin and Citan were in the same role.
>>308000>Gets so mad he imagines guys having sex with each otherKinda gay, my dude
>>298496First game was great.X was a great mech power fantasy.Second game even better. Torna had best music and best combat.10/10 series, will buy every game they make and eat them up like the cum hungry whore I am. Fuck I love xeno series
i just beat it and you know i was kinda having doubts about this game but man once you get to mechonis it just becomes non-stop kino until the very end, the whole like "defy destiny" shit was kinda whatever but the twist of zanza being a human who accidentally fucking destroyed the universe fucking blew me away, i dont know if this is like a common xeno thing as its my first one but damn
What was with them not using the Birth of a Universe scene with the Zohar from 2? With them changing Alvis's key to a core crystal, I thought they were intent on solidifying and clarifying the connection between 1 and 2 with the change with that cutscene.
>>298676No sense in responding to em. They're just trying to be "le hipster" and controversial for some Based(you) responses.
>>306464No, no. That's "soul" It looks aged you see. It isnt current gen. It ticks all the boxes