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Lockdown Day 6 edition. Taking a breather from the FFXII artwork with a personal favorite.
What are ya playin' and/or grindin' today, /v/?
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>>502314350
Started Chapter 3 in CS4.
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WRPGs are more immersive and offer more intellectual themes, because gamers in the West tend to stray from societal norms, thus are more intelligent, than Eastern gamers, who are just normies in Japculture.
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Been watching a lot of Isekai anime inc Overlord making me want to play a comfy JRPG and just slowly level up a Wizard until he's OP as shit.

Naturally the genre completely fails to fulfil on this fantasy, playing through FF9 just because nothing else seems interesting. Might have to go for an MMO at this rate.
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How is this thread that you keep posting every day any different from a JRPG general thread that should go on /vg/?
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>>502316605
I *could* recommend Persona 3 Portable solely for the Skill and Incense Card system and how it allows you to basically beef up any Persona, low- or high-level, to extremes that no man should probably go to. But that leaves out basically everything else - i.e. Social Links and shit like the story itself - and I'm not sure how much you'd be into that.
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Replaying Growlanser IV, reminded how fantastic this game is. If you love trpgs you own it to yourself to play this game
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>>502316605
I just want a nice JRPG with a fun and compelling story that also gives you proper customization options so you can allocate your stats and class skills and shit as you like. Most of them are SRPGs like fire emblem which I fucking hate. The closest would probably be FFXII which I've already finished many times.
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>>502317764
How good is FFXII?
I've only played a few of them like: 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 10, 10-2 (I still regret this), 14 now and then for new story
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>>502317764
Either play tons of srpgs or try Xenoblade.
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>>502317934
I can only recommend the Switch version because the QoL make it that much more enjoyable. I didn't enjoy the original (or the zodiac international) version that much back when it came out. The PS4/PC remaster also is missing some of the QoL that the Switch remaster has.
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>>502318045
I sadly don't own a Switch, and don't plan on getting one either, if it's just for 1 game
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>>502317969
Already finished XBC2 like three times, it's a really good game. I'm hyped for XBC:DE since I could never get into the original XBC when it came out for Wii.
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>>502318107
PC version should be fine enough, then. The QoLs aren't *that* important, but they make for good niceties.
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>>502319841
Can you sum up what these QoL do?
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>>502322638
The most notable ones include a better NG+ (namely, you can now carry over items that you acquired in your last playthrough), a Gambit set increase from 1 to 3, and the ability of changing your party's jobs at a certain spot in-game. All helpful, but again - if you want the base experience and a handful of improvements as-is, PC will do just fine.
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Is One Vision mod good for someone who sucks balls at TRPG/
>>502317640
>tfw suck at TRPG to the point where I can`t finish the first encounter in FFT, Siege of Weald, without most party member dying
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>>502323076
Alright, I found a cheap deal on FFXII Zodiac Age
Been longing for another JRPG after I finished TLR
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whats
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>>502324130
Price
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>>502316735
/vg/ sucks
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>>502323641
If you suck, it's not a good idea to play a difficulty enhancement made for veterans
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Started trails in the sky. Three hours in. It's pleasant but it's not gripping me.
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I can't decide between playing Final Fantasy X or the .hack games. Which one would you guys recommend?
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>>502327349
I've heard .hack is pretty great if what you're looking for is basiaclly SAO but done right and in the form of a mildly obscure JRPG, so there's that. Wouldn't know much about FFX aside from some janky mechanic memery, though. I guess you could flip a coin. Nothing to lose anyway, right?
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>>502327058
Kiseki, especially Sora starts off really slow. It's like playing a long-running battle manga. It's comfy as hell.
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>>502327349
FFX is my favorite game ever. .hack is middling and extraordinarily repetitive even by JRPG standards, though I will give it points for uniqueness.
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About 10 hours into DQ11, it feels a little boring, what do
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>>502327939
That's what I needed to hear.
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I just finished Dragon Quest 5 after playing 1, 3 and 4. I was planning on jumping straight to 6 but I need to take a break from DQ. I want to start Shin Megami Tensei series, but some people say the first one (snes) isn't the best start so I'm a little lost.
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>>502329229
Drop it. I have no idea why DQ games are shilled so fucking hard.
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>>502316735
It’s up for half a day at most, they’re not constant threads
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>get to Disc 3 in FF7
>instantly lose all motivation to continue because there’s nothing to do but grind and beat the game
The rest of the game is paced perfectly but for some reason Disc 3 is nothing more than a dumping ground for whatever the fuck is available to do at the end of the game
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>>502329561
Play in release order. Start with SMT 1
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That F7R combat seems kinda fucked. It's dressed like it's an input based action game like Kingdom Hearts of XV, but it's actually pretty much just XII with less options of interesting party mechanics. I like XII, but I feel like a lot of people are gonna be a little disappointed when they realise 90% of attacks are undodgeable, your positoning not really mattering, or your inputs. It's much more tactical than action based where timing your charged moves to strike when you break someones barrier (ala XIII) is key to success.

>>502327349
A lot of people that dislike XIII take issues with a lot of the stuff that X started. It's a fun romp though.
>>502329561
I'd always recommend SMT3, but a lot of people say it's a departure from the franchise, so maybe just give release order a try and see how you like the first.
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>>502329561
You can do what >>502330287 said - which would probably be for the best, as it gives you a good idea of SMT's foundations while expanding on its core mechanics with every game - but if that's not quite your forte, you can also start from Nocturne, primarily because it makes for a good intro as well.
It's really up to you, though. SMT's one of those series where you can usually start from anywhere and just get into it. Notable exceptions include SMT2 and Persona 2, in part due to the fact that they rely on the story of their prequels.
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>>502329561
SMT4 is practically made to be an intro to SMT, there's a twist at the beginning that only works if you haven't played the other games. It's not the best one but is still pretty good
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Obligatory Azure Dreams post.
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>>502330949
Based anon but Selfi was best girl
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>>502331094
That's the spice
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Can I get some jrpgs where I can romance cute girls?
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>>502331448
You can.
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>>502331448
>>502330949
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After listening to the P3 OST, I've got an urge to pick The Answer again.
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>>502331512
Yeah but what are they. I only know the basic stuff like modern Persona/FE.
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>>502331448
Persona, sort of.
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>>502331716
Oh. You didn't ask for that. You just asked if you can.
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>>502331686
Is it worth going through The Answer, P3bro? I'm still chipping away at my NG+ run of P3P, but I haven't really touched FES yet, mainly because I hear that The Answer's just... alright.
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>>502331997
>I hear that The Answer's just... alright.
This is correct. You can play it if you like P3 and want more, and The Answer is a bit harder than the main game if that's your thing, but it really isn't anything special.
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I'm making the most out of this quarantine situation. I get paid tons even by doing nothing kek. Currently playing SMT3 Nocturne, Doom Eternal and FF7 Remake alternatively each session. I'll get to p5 royal after I finish ff7r.

I don't get what's with the hate over the remake. I wouldn't have probably brushed it off if it was a 1:1 remake of the original but that shit's just boring. Knowing it has changed to it piqued my interest. No need to be such a downer /v/, damn I know this place is cynical as fuck but shit, just have fun and play the damn game for what it is.
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>>502332267
>The Answer is a bit harder than the main game if that's your thing
Being able to one-hit nearly everything at Lv99 makes me crave for something of a challenge, so I don't see why not. I guess I'll give it a shot at some point. Thanks!
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>>502329561
how good is 5 ?
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>People used to get angry at what a waste of money £2 horse armour was in Oblivion.
>Now people buy Persona 5 costume packs at £9 each happily
I should replay Persona 3 again. What's the better one to emulate, PS2 or PSP?
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>>502332832
>Being able to one-hit nearly everything at Lv99
You basically start from zero and don't have a compendium in the Answer.
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>>502332956
>Now people buy Persona 5 costume packs at £9 each happily
Do they? Do you have much in the way of proof that people are buying them? I have never seen a single soul buy them.
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>It's dressed like it's an input based action game like Kingdom Hearts of XV, but it's actually pretty much just XII with less options of interesting party mechanics.
I had this feeling as well when playing the demo. It reminded me more of Rogue Galaxy which always bored me. Especially coming off of KH and FF12, it just seemed like a middle ground of the two and middle grounds are boring to me. But I've only played the demo of 7R and I also only played it once. I hope I'm wrong and the combat reveals more nuance to me
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About to play FF6 on the GBA soon. Should be fun.
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>>502333262
Afraid I've got no reciepts, but if they're throwing even more new costumes packs into Persona 5 Royal for people to buy.. I guess that's the only proof I've got that the practice worked. They're doing it again.
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>>502332830
Heya, fellow Nocturne friend! Where are ya at right now?
>>502332956
PS2 for more of a challenge and visual quality, PSP for QoL stuff and the addition of Kotone's storyline, if you feel like giving the story a spin.
>>502333152
>don't have a compendium
Ah, good to know. Thank god I wasn't building one up over there, would've probably necked myself if I lost the progress.
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>>502332956
I always preferred PS2 because it has the cutscenes and P3 cutscenes are kino as fuck. But if you don't mind just looking those up on youtube afterwards then play PSP I guess.
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>>502330004
Well, yea. Kinda silly to complain about the end-game feeling like end-game.
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>>502330004
You can actually finish all that shit at the very end of disc 2. Have you beaten the game before? What other sidequests are left?

>>502330949
>>502331094
>high-rise 90s lingerie

WHY did this go away?
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>>502334183
it's too scandalous
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>>502334035
PS2 didn't have cutscenes? The fuck lel
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>>502330287
>>502330624
>>502330843
>>502330914
Thanks everyone, I'll just start with the first one and work my way up since there aren't many mainline games. And I think going backwards could be a little underwhelming because of QoL and stuff.

>>502332896
I thought it was great, 5 and 3 are my favorite for different reasons. 5 improves greatly on the storytelling aspect of 4 and I found it very compelling. It is a tad easy though.
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>>502334263
I don't know what you mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6SgC9-Ez3I
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First Nier has been in my backlog for a while so I think I'm gonna do that today
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>>502334571
Whoops, I meant
>PSP didn't have cutscnes? The fuck lel
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gimme a rpg that has ecchi lolis
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>>502314350
Final Fantasy VIII Switch remastered edition. Started out shit but has gotten better. "Go talk to a wall" may be the single most retarded line a main protagonist has ever said in any video game
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I've never played an FF besides Tactics. Is 12 a good babbys first?
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>>502335573
no
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>>502334605
Just in case you weren't aware, a remaster is in the works if you'd like to hold out for that.
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>>502334831
>feel like finishing Grandia
>don't feel like grinding for Timegate
>max level autist so I have to before I beat the game since I 100% have everything else in it

Least I prepped her water magic level to 99

Also can anyone tell me if the post-game shit US never got is worth looking into? Obviously I can't play it on my file, but I was thinking about emulating it or watching a let's play. Is there a lot of lore or should I not bother?
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>>502335573
Na IX or X are the best entries for 3d FF and II or VI are the best entries for 2d FF
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What are your favorite handheld JRPGs, /v/? For me, it’s pic related.
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Is there any truth to them not being able to sell it as a DLC?
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>>502336785
This series.
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>>502337024
No. Did they claim that? How incompetent is Atlus, exactly? That's Gamefreaks level of retardation.
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>>502336785
Soul Hackers. The authentic cyberpunk vibe is just too good for this earth.
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>>502337173
They didn't, just every Persona fan on YouTube that I check out. Every one of the comment videos that call Persona 5: Royal a scam has hordes of people saying it wasn't possible with a comparison to FIFA or Pokemon or something.
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>>502317640
I was filtered by that one bridge fight for years until I realized you could buff yourself before battles and have them carry over. I just walked in with full magic immunity and steamrolled it after that but immediately got lost since I didnt remember where I needed to go next
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>>502337295
>youtube comments
ok
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How is SaGa Frontier lads? Graphics look comfy as shit but is the game f-fun?
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>>502336785
You posted it. TWEWY is amazing. I also really love Devil Survivor and P4 Golden, if that counts.
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>First time in years where I actually wanted to do side stuff in a video game and it didn't feel like filler

How did they do it? It's so adventurous.
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>>502338215
Is this game actually good?
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>>502338821
No. It's low grade ARPG trash with a mediocre story.
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>>502338214
>Devil Survivor
Based as hell
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bumping
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>>502338821
No, he posts it in every JRPG thread to bait
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>>502336785
Radiant Historia
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>>502338821
Yeah, it's a good game, don't know what the other two are on about. If you want true ARPG ludo though, go play the older Ys games.
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>>502337024
it couldve been a dlc, but it changes the whole game. Would've still been an expensive ass dlc if it was one.
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>>502336785
Probably none. The genre really does not fit portable devices.
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>>502342193
>The genre really does not fit portable devices
Explain.
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>>502342193
>The genre really does not fit portable devices.
I also like drinking paint thinner and smashing my head against a wall.
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>>502342193
>JRPGS are only suited for niggers who sit at home all fucking day
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>>502342312
JRPGs are usually pretty long and have tons of content so they are meant for long game sessions, it certainly isn't a genre you would play in a bus. And nothing is worse for long game sessions than a small screen and shitty ergonomics.
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>tfw finished nexus a while ago after binging the whole series
>still thirsting for more etriam
next stage can't come soon enough

Anyways, I started playing Bravely Default like, last week? Since BD2 is on the way and some of my friends like the series a lot I figured I'd jump in, and it's lots of fun
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>>502337192
Nothing will ever better capture the feel of the early internet age than soul hackers. God I love that game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2n_m4fCMZ8
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Games like Dragon Quest XI? I've played some of the older ones and almost all Final Fantasy games, but I still find DQXI to be the best. On PC, btw
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>>502342898
I keep forgetting that people actually take their consoles places. I've never used a portable console anywhere besides my house. I have no problem JRPGs on smaller screens, in fact it's nice to curl up in bed and shut out the world to grind away for a few hours.
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Would Amazon still send me Royal if I ordered it now?
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>>502343303
No.
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Think there might be a ghost in my machine can't stop posting soul hackers music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjulvbO0EnU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Peyb0TfUytc
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>>502342967
>implying that being able to pick up and play long-ass games on the go isn’t peak comfy
>implying that all JRPGs have to be bloated as shit and ignoring that there are tons of JRPGs on handheld with a shitload of content
>implying this hasn’t helped make for more unique game
>implying
Anon, no.
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>>502343348
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SOUL
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>>502343348
Why
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>>502343246
>I keep forgetting that people actually take their consoles places.

That's the point of portable handhelds.
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>>502344052
Portable to me just means easier to carry between rooms.
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Redpill me on SMT, where should I start? Persona 1 and 2? Soul hackers? or just go straight to SMT3?
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>>502344775
IV is the most beginner friendly
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>>502344775
Jack Bros
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>>502344775
As mentioned above, it depends on what you wanna go for. Soul Hackers and Persona would be an iffy start if what you wanna go for is SMT - as in, y'know, *mainline* SMT. That said, yeah, Nocturne's a good starting point for most people, but IV's generally catered to newcomers, so pick your poison.
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>>502344864
I've played rpgs and jrpgs all my life, i dont need beginner friendly shit, just answer the question without your retarded condescending tone faggot
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>>502345028
Ok IV is the best for cum guzzlers like yourself.
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>>502345028
He wasn't being condescending, you idiot.
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>>502345028
If you read that as condescending then you suffer from a lot of insecurity. And yes, this post would be an example of someone ACTUALLY being condescending. Do you see the difference now?
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>>502345028
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Yes I get it, SMT niggers think themselves of hardcore faggots while being retarded EOPs
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>>502345598
Anon, they weren’t even trying to be hardcore. They were just trying to be helpful. Don’t be a fag.
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>>502345598
>redpill me on SMT
>gets redpilled on SMT
>fuck you faggot niggers, SMT is shit
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>>502343207
Anyone?
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>>502346562
Well, what did you like most about it?
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>>502346562
What do you like about DQXI?
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>>502346562
Play other DQ games. The general on /vg/ has a tierlist/recommendation for beginners if it's up right now. I don't think there's many DQ games on PC but all of them are emulatable.
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>>502346784
>>502346816
The characters, the music, the combat especially when you could unleash those Pip powers and the setting was all top notch imo
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>>502347194
Those are all pretty generic points, so it's hard to recommend you anything other than simply more DQ.
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>>502347194
Chrono Trigger.
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>>502347194
I’d say Chrono Trigger then.
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>>502314350
About to start FFXII Zodiac Age on switch, what am I in for?
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>>502347823
Star wars but a fuckable chewbacca
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>>502348076
>fuckable chewbacca
Post them
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>>502345028
Big JRPG experts should start with SMT if...
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>>502347403
Well I'm playing the Trials of Mana right now and while it's got some sort of similar vibe in its art direction and world building, the music is kinda too intrusive (and I'll use this game to compare with points I think XI does better). Even when trumpets were blasting in DQ XI, I never felt like it wasn't part of the world, it just made me more hype to be on some sort of grand adventure with twists and turns. Also, a larger part of the world felt explorable, especially with all those beast mounts whereas here it seems like a fairly trivial matter to explore the map you're currently in. Finally, the characters here are also fairly generic, but they're kinda obnoxious and too "obvious" - I picked up Hawkeye but not a single character yet has charmed me, from the Princess, Prince, King, Evil Witch Sorceress Thingamajig, Furry Friend.. They all seem like stereotypes of the highest order - which might be a weird complaint seeing as the party characters in DQ XI were also fairly generic, but they were... believable? Not really sure how to express myself here but I hope that helps?

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>>502347523
Will check it out, thanks!
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>>502349924
Nice
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>>502345028
if you're fucking retarded enough to have to ask "where to start" instead of just starting with the first game and going in release order, then yes, you do need beginner friendly.
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>>502316351
Keep seething, WRPGfags
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>>502350083
>but not a single character yet has charmed me
>They all seem like stereotypes of the highest order
That's honestly a weird complaint coming from somebody who enjoys DQXI that much.
But perhaps I get what you mean by that, maybe what you're feeling isn't exactly about the characters being stereotyped but rather that you see how certain games have characters being simple setpieces for a grand quest rather than characters in their own right, with their own place and role in the world outside of the protagonists' epic quest.
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>>502352429
>maybe what you're feeling isn't exactly about the characters being stereotyped but rather that you see how certain games have characters being simple setpieces for a grand quest rather than characters in their own right, with their own place and role in the world outside of the protagonists' epic quest.
This might be it, yes.
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>>502324130
I don’t play on mobile
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>>502352759
In that case, it's also hard to give you suggestions because it's something that I found to be a more personal case when it comes to narrative, and how people like their RPGs.
If you ask me, I think games like Metal Max qualify in the sense of having more believable and interesting worlds where you aren't treated like everything revolves around you and your quest, but you're rather a tiny part of a whole, the MM director is also a good friend with Horii and both series have similar design choices in some things so that might further pick your interest.
SaGa games also qualify and might be some of the best RPGs around in general for people who like to just immerse themselves in weird worlds with interesting stories and characters, but at the same time they're the polar opposite of Dragon Quest, so it's really hard to recommend them to you, especially since they're also pretty story light, even compared to DQ.
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>>502327349
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Playing Devil Survivor 2 every now and then. Sadly I only have Ronaldo's route left for the septentrione arc. Can't wait to play the triangulum a second time though. I don't remember it all to well already.
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>>502326529
rare YHVH
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What is it that you niggers even want? It's fucking disgusting watching you fumble your words trying to explain your tastes.

What the fuck do you even want in a JRPG? What's the first thing that comes to mind in that shitty head of yours when you think "this is a feature I want in my JRPGs"?

What do guys even want? Do you even like anything?
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>>502345598
Only the most hardcore start with SMT Nine. You might actually be the first to do it
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Does anyone else play these games letting the ai control all party members except the player character? It kinda feels fitting to play this genre like that.
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>>502354667
>What do guys even want? Do you even like anything?
For me, it’s fun customization options. TWEWY, Devil Survivor (SMT in general, really), FF7, Etrian Odyssey, and Bravely Default come to mind.
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>>502335573
v-vii and ix-x are all fine starting points
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>>502354667
I like literally everything my taste is so terrible
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>>502354667
Like I fucking know. It should be good, not bad. Text boxes should be able to go quick like in Golden Sun, not slow like in DQ7. I want some exploration like in Skies of Arcadia, not hallways like in Tales of Xillia. Please give me some interesting, engaging combat, maybe early Paper Mario and M&L games, not later Paper Mario shit. And the difficulty should be closer to raw ass fucks like Bravely Default than the not-even-lukewarm shit that is Pokemon.
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>>502354667
I want it all.
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>>502354979
Try the SaGa games.
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>>502331448
How a game can so many best girls?
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>>502354667
The most important things for me in a JRPG are characters, exploration and lots customization options.
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>>502354667
Soul.
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>>502347194
Final Fantasy VII, IX and X have good(ymmv) characters, great music and something similar to pep powers in that they're super moves that play a little animation when you use them. not as charming as DQXI's animations though.
other than that, just play more DQ
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>>502354667
I want lightbulbs, nice music, cool characters and freedom of progression and customization.
Lightbulbs are the most important part though.
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its taken me like 3 weeks to get 15h into this
i think i just hate jrpgs now
rec me games i absolutely have to play before i give up on them forever
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>>502354667
comfiness, game feel and most of all: SOUL
:^)
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>>502357390
>he doesn't like Grandia
NGMI
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>>502354667
To have fun
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>>502357658
its not as good as the second one, but i can tell its a good game
just feels like it drags on and on and i dont even think im halfway through..
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>>502357952
It's an 80 hour game easily. My save will probably clock in to around 120 by the time I'm done since I'm this anon >>502335831
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>>502353869
>but at the same time they're the polar opposite of Dragon Quest
Polar opposites how? Will check out the Metal Max series, but I have to emulate them obviously. Which one do you recommend?

>>502356953
IV, VI and X are my favorite Final Fantasy titles, the rest not so much to be perfectly honest. Haven't tried XV though
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>>502314350
>teens need to kill god
gah
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>>502357390
>rec me games i absolutely have to play before i give up on them forever
Well I don't know what you've played and what you haven't. I'd imagine you've played a lot of JRPGs if you're at a point of playing Grandia and starting to get sick of all jrpgs, so it makes it difficult to rec anything if you don't give us an idea of what your blind spots in the genre are.
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>>502358525
>tell us what your blind spots are
Damn youre dumb
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>>502334669
Towelket 6
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>>502358292
maybe ill just pick away at it for a couple months
>>502358525
fine, fuck it
>skies of arcadia, Eb/mother 3, mmx command mission, tales of symphonia, both shining force games,paper mario, disgaea 1-5, valkyria chronicles, azure dreams, FFT/A, FF6/7/8/10/12/13, suikoden 1/2, valkyrie profile, baroque, dark cloud 1/2, p4, seiken densetsu 2/3, CT, star ocean 2, grandia 2
probably a bit more, but if it's not on backloggery i probably memory holed it or dropped it anyway
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>>502358409
>Polar opposites how?
SaGa's extremely focused on experimenting with unusual game mechanics and general game design.
Whereas Dragon Quest capitalizes on being THE vanilla JRPG experience, SaGa goes the opposite way into uncharted territory to see just how much you can push the general envelope, the latest entry in the series for instance has no dungeons or cities at all, just to give you a general idea of how the series operates.
It's simply not a series for everyone, I remember reading a JP tweet a few years ago about how these two series in particular are perceived in Japan and this guy said that DQ is pretty much curry/curry rice while SaGa is blue cheese.
>Which one do you recommend?
Start with Metal Max Returns, it's the best entry point in the series.
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I can't stop playing P5R.
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>>502358409
I assumed you were very new to jrpgs based on the tone of your post. Sorry for the faux pas
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>>502359782
Not gonna lie, I'm interested. Especially how I like both curry rice and blue cheese lmao
Best entry point? Or should I just try out Scarlet Grace since it's the newest and is also on PC?
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>>502359345
Wild Arms 3
Suikoden
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>>502359782
a food analogy?


more like, DQ is a tricycle like in your childhood while SaGa is a Kawasaki Ninja ZX-12R
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>>502360920
Most people agree on SaGa Frontier and Romancing SaGa 3 being the better games for beginners since they're some of the easiest, if not the easiest in terms of difficulty but still sell you on what the series is about and provide a decent challenge here and there, the DS remakes of SaGa 2 and 3 are also good, especially if you can't deal with how open ended and aimless SaGa Frontier or RS3 might feel since the old GB games used to be linear.
>Or should I just try out Scarlet Grace since it's the newest
Sure, but keep in mind what I said, it's a game with a very unusual game structure and with a very focused pacing, it's also part of the more modern, tabletop inspired game design compared to older entries.

The advantage of starting with Scarlet Grace is that you also have a pretty comprehensive in game manual that will help you build knowledge of several core rules that are present in pretty much all games, on the other hand Scarlet Grace is also chock full of references to previous games that you'll inevitably miss, but you can always replay it at some point, the entire series is designed around replayability anyway.
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>>502361237
i always forget wild arms exists, thanks that's actually a pretty good one. nobody talks about suikoden after 2, are they worth playing? i owned the tactics game at some point and it kind of sucked.
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>>502360524
No problem my dude

>>502361714
I'll start with RS3 and can easily switch over to Scarlet Grace if I find it lacking or confusing or whatever. Thank you very much, all of your answers were very helpful
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>>502354667
- colorful or varied environments
- likable characters
- preferably turn based but I'll accept action
Beyond that my standards are extremely low.
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>>502363430
The ingame manual for RS3 is pretty bad compared to RS2, so check this before you start:

http://cdn.sqexeu.com/sea/romancing-saga-3/manuals/switch_en.pdf

It will give you the bare minimum knowledge required to not be completely lost in terms of what the fuck is even going on.
Bear in mind though that the games are all geared toward the players themselves taking the time to learn how mechanics work, there's no tutorials at all, you are expected to pay attention to how a lot of stuff works and infer a lot of information on your own though the various clues the games give you.
RS3 in particular is also very open ended, so do not expect to have cutscenes or party members that tell you where to go next, there is no intended order of progression in these games, it's entirely up to you on how you want to play through these games, as much as certain quest chains do require you to complete certain events beforehands.
Hope you have a good time with the game.
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>>502316735
Why are so many people complaining about threads talking about actually vidya.
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>>502354667
likeable characters
and/or
addicting battles
and/or
compelling stories

When a game is great at one of these but weak at the other two I can still like it.
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Started up Radiata Stories at a friend's reccomendation. It's pretty great, but why does every weapon but single sword feel slow as fuck. Army of Shadows looks cool, but 2handers are chunky slow.
Also trying to recruit people is kinda hard, never know who/how I'm supposed to get them.
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>>502327349
I love both but they both have massive flaws. With the hack series the gameplay feels mindless but the story is interesting enough to keep you interested. While X is super slow in the beginning and by the time it gets fun the story has already taken a nose dive off into the deep end of ff bullshit. I recommend both but they will both feel like a slog to get through.
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>>502331997
Honestly it's way better than Persona posters give it credit for, and it has some great music too. Final boss track is super groovy and Heartful Cry is amazing.
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>can't call the P5 final boss a perfume bottle anymore
Aw man.
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I've been playing Trails of Cold Steel III.
I can't get this bitch principal down to 70% health. She keeps fucking my shit up.
Guess it's my fault for choosing Nightmare for a new game.
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>>502358436
I'm about to be finished with DDS2, help me choose which one to play next
>Crystar
>The Caligula Effect: Overdose
>TMS #FE Encore
>Alliance Alive
>Ni No Kuni 2 (haven't played 1)
DDS2 is decent but nothing special, probably one of the weaker megaten games
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>>502365162
fuck, didn't mean to reply, sorry about that
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>>502354667
Story and characters. Literally all I care about. Can be the most shit gameplay ever I don't care (Nier)
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>>502365162
Crystar and Caligula Effect both have absolutely amazing soundtracks and ooze style out of every orifice. Everything is well done from the characters to the atmosphere, the visuals to the designs and everything in between.

But the gameplay is barely average. Well, Caligula Effect has at least a cool system that never gets utilised well, but Crystar is dreadful.
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>>502365162
Play Alliance Alive
Can skip the rest, but TMS is ok.
I actually like The Caligula Effect but it's objectively garbage
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Do I pirate Caligula Effect on Switch or should I pirate it on Vita?
Or neither and purchase the PC port
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Started Death End ReQuest yesterday, finished prologue today (yes, I'm very slow)
First CH game and I like it (for now)
Only bad thing rn are the loading time that take up to one (1) minute for absolutely nothing, are all CH game like that (PS4)?
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>>502365141
Just get 200CP from bathing, then use Magic Order and cast spells till you can s-craft her below 70%
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>>502365671
>story and characters
>posts xenocringe 2
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>>502316735
Shut the fuck up animetranny
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>>502367379
pirate the pc port
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>>502358292
Is it really? I only played Grandia 2 but it was only a few hours over 20 for my first run
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>>502316735
>he can't even do it for free
lmao, keep wishing
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>>502367379
>objectively garbage
I wouldn't go that far. Gameplay isn't worth jack shit, but it's quite good in most other areas and it's a very unique game for what it's worth.
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>>502367379
I keep trying to play it, but something about it feels off as fuck. It doesn't feel coherent, and walking around spam talking to 300 NPCs is not good gameplay.

It's like playing an RPG while you have a massive fever and things only vaguely make sense.

I do like the music playing and how it switches to lyrical versions in combat, though.
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>>502362313
Suikoden 1, 2 and 5 are worth playing. 3 and 4, I cannot say. I finished both but they are not as good or interesting as the other three games already mentioned.
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>>502367992
They didn't polish it at all. It's like they took the social link thing from persona and wanted to go 300% more into it. Without thinking what that would actually be like for the player.
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>>502367992
I feel like they were on to something, but the first time around it didn't work. Then they announced the remake/remaster and I wanted to see if they could fix the issues and make it somthing good.
They're didn't
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>>502365162
Skip TMS, do yourself a favor.
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>>502364673
tell me more about this game
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>>502367191
>>502365162
Isn't Alliance Alive meh?
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>>502369101
Suikoden meets arpg with a lot of comedy. Super comfy and great music too.
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So, I finished DQVII last year and I think I had a break from them, so I can go back to the franchise, which game would you recomend me considering the next conditions:

>I have to play it on pc or worse case scenario mobile
>It can't be VII, VIII , IX or XI
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Games like Trials of Mana and Ni No Kuni? But maybe with a different artstyle, that isn't that anime-ish?
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>>502324043
Enjoy anon. One of the best ones out there. I remember the first time I walked around the first city. I thought it was the coolest and more immersive shit I've been through at the time
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I legit can’t even finish jrpgs anymore. I start them and then like after once or twice, I just never go back.i dunno what changed.
Off the top of my head, I’m still technically playing Xenoblade 2, dq11, fire emblem, cs1, etc.
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>>502357658
The combat is boring. It's so simple and mindless.
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>>502369280
huh, looks cool. Gonna give it a try
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>>502337115
I really love this boxart. It's like a storybook. The rest of the boxarts are shit.
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>>502369702
Yeah, I'm having a blast and the Job system is bloody amazing
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>>502369715
>XB2, DQ11
Legin 90 hours long jrpgs so it's pretty normal to get burned out
>Fire emblem
They are pretty short so it might be the kind of game?
>CS1
Hot garbage, only interesting the last 30 minutes, the rest is unnecesary padding
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>>502369654
They are very Japanese games, anon. I can’t think any similar games with no anime in it.
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>>502370334
Make sure to talk to a lot of NPCs. They have a lot of stuff that is super relevant to the story. They're basically an integral part of the story and they have something new to say after every major story events.
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>>502371379
I definitely should talk more to random NPCs
Too used to them just having the same dialogue each time you talk with them

I tend to just talk with NPCs with an actual name, and ignore those with the "Citizen" name, if they're not marked as a Quest
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>>502371554
The thing is XII does this thing where most NPCs you've yet to talk to are marked with generic identifiers, then gain some unique title after speaking with them.
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>>502372958
That's super cool
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>>502372958
Love it when games do this. Some Tales of games do, for example.
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>>502370417
In that case, I'm cool with a similar artstyle to theirs haha
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what are the chances of this being ported to other consoles :(
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About to play picrelated. Anything that I should know?
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>>502373392
Don't ignore the importance of Interrupts and Counters, especially in connection to setting up United Attacks.
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>>502373259
Best to wait for Switch Emulation
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>>502373392
Battles are about wise positioning in the timeline more than how much damage you can dish out.
Make sure to read the manual as you unlock new Tips! sections, as each time you use a mechanic in battle for the first time a new section gets added to the manual.
The game has several different routes and possible quest variations, so don't worry about missing things on your "100%" save file, since there's no way you can get everything in a single run, you need several runs for each main character to see everything.
Sigfrey did nothing wrong.
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Yo, hear me out. I always enjoyed jrpgs that deal in war constantly, things like squadrons, giant battles, grand strategy and what not, some final fantasy games have this flavor (specially type-0 and XII) but I can't seem to find this trope on other jrps, suggestions?
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>>502374781
The Last Remnant. You're welcome.
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>>502374981
>The Last Remnant
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>>502374781
The Last Remnant.
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>>502374981
>>502375073
>>502375158

Fuck off samefag. That said, how is the story in TLR?
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resident evil jrpg when
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>>502375308
>how is the story in TLR?
>playing a SaGa game for the story
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>>502375331
Parasite Eve
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>>502373392
The beginning is brutal, but if you can tough it out for a few hours once you get some better skills, it gets easier.

>>502374207
>Sigfrey did nothing wrong.
explain
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>>502376364
>explain
>He doesn't know
Play Taria's story, choose Sigfrey's questline as the last chapter, make sure to rustle Marigan's jimmies.
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>>502316351
>tend to stray from societal norms, thus are more intelligent
That doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. If I made a game about peeing in public spaces it wouldn't be an "intelligent" game.
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>>502367471

What spells arts would you recommend?
Also keep in mind I don't have enough resources to increase EVA. Even Shining doesn't help me sometimes.
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>>502377002
I played all of them, but I guess I didn't go through Sigfrei's scenario with Taria. I did Phoenix, Scarlet Shards, and I guess the Earth Serpent. I don't remember.
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>haven't played Unlimited Saga in over 10 years.
>It's occasionally gets brought up, get an itch, boot it up
>Playing through as Laura, do the first two maps to get more characters
>slowly remember how things are working, remember how panels work, important skills pop into my mind, re-remembering how to build decent units, all that jazz
>Oh yeah, forging equipment is a thing.
>Instant blank
>Ok, whatever, look up how it works again
>Confused as shit
>I did this before, I remember doing this before, but still confused as hell. None of it is making sense this time around.

It's just me, right? I just got stupid in 10 years, right?
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How's Xenogears? Just watched the intro and holy shit that's incredible
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>>502377108
I was using Flare Butterfly I believe at the time I think, it's been awhile though. Any tier 3 spell should work.
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>>502377335
Nah, it's just a horribly designed game.
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>>502377285
You need to go through Sigfrey's scenario as your last scenario.
I'll give you a hint though, remember how Firebringer's contract with the 12 gods works?
>>502377335
It's not just you, I punctually forget a lot of the more minute mechanics after so many years, some come back once I begin playing but others I often confuse with things from other games.
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>>502316351
I hope a chink coughs on you.
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>>502314350
Playing trails of cold steel again, i need to form a bond with fie bros
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>>502377704
>remember how Firebringer's contract with the 12 gods works?
Oh yeah, you have to kill him 7 times. I forget, was he supposed to be a vessel for the Firebringer or something?

I still need to beat True Firebringer, so I'm sure there's some lore I'm missing.
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>>502378026
For me it's Sara
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>>502378052
>I forget, was he supposed to be a vessel for the Firebringer
Anon...why do you think Sigfrey's not around in Balmaint's finale where Arthur betrays you, despite clearly hearing Sigfrey's voice coming from the central palace.
Where do you think Sigrey went?
Why do you think his ghost tells Urpina to become empress and lead mankind in her route?
Why do you think he bids Leonard good fortune in his effort to find Ai Hanum and bring the Scarlet Shards there?
Did you get the entire traveling troupe storyline?
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Played through Recettear from beginning to end since I had played and put it on hold a couple of years back. Fun game, kind of simple though. Not sure if it qualifies as a JRPG.
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>>502378691
I mean, we're talking about forgetting things, and here I am forgetting the story. But no, I don't think I ever got all the traveling troupe story, and I don't remember encountering Sigfrei as Leonard either.
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Its bullshit that the new challenges are behind a paywall, but the new music is amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZcc6LZD5Q
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>>502365162
#FE is great fun if you don't have your head stuck up your ass about what an SMT game "should" be.
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>>502379037
>I don't think I ever got all the traveling troupe story
That explains a lot, make sure you follow the traveling troupe around the world in your next playthrough, at some point there will be a critical piece of lore you absolutely do not want to miss.
One of Taria's route also confirms a lot of things about Sigfrey that were implied during both Balmaint's story and her own route where you choose to anger the gods and be kind of a dick in general.
There are no "vessels" for Firebringer, don't trust the Imperial Library, don't trust the head comedian, Francis knows about those glow in the dark Celestialniggers.
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>>502378026
You mean Towa.
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>>502375308
It's dogshit. You don't play it for the story.
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>>502379635
Nobody thinks that it's supposed to be SMT, but it's idolshit cringe
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>>502380739
It is SMT gameplay with an idol paintjob.
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Playing DDS2 right now, I would say that certain aspects are better than the first, other aspects are worse. The music is pretty great in this one.
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Saw someone recommending Radiant Historia, and so far it has been very enjoyable. I like the characters and combat system.
Pic related is where I'm at right now, not too far in.
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>>502381827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drjlMXp_e1I
Meguro can only improve with every SMT he works on, imo. Kinda amazing how he manages to one-up himself constantly.
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>>502374781
Suikoden.
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Waiting for FFVII despite the time jannies. Might play Raidou Kuzunoha after that, it's the only localised SMT spin off series I have yet to play.
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How do i learn to have fun with jrpgs ? I just dont get them. I'm trying DQ 11 but i already feel bored\regretful early on
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Should I get Octopath Traveler on sale (~$43)? I've only played the demo and hated random encounters, but combat and the dancer's storyline seemed nice enough.
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what's the best jrpg available on fitgirl's site
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>>502381827
I'm playing DDS2 too right now, I'm at the last dungeon and need to grind for the last boss before the final boss.
It's pretty good. The story is a step up from 1, has had a couple of really cool twists and made me appreciate 1 a lot more.
Also I didn't even realize I started to like the characters way more than I initially did
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>>502385050
wait for a 50% off sale, that is what it is worth.
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>>502379635
FUCK.
(((You))).
seriously. fuck (((You)))
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>>502384582
What are you specifically feeling bored with or regretful about? Could just be a thing with DQ11, but that might be stretching it a bit.
>>502384306
Based. Raidou's arguably the most visually interesting and lovable SMT spin-off, imo. The ARPG scheme may not be everyone's thing, but damn if it isn't exhilarating and fun as fuck.
>>502385210
How different is DDS from Nocturne? I plan on picking it up shortly after I'm done with whatever run I'm going for rn. All I know is that it's more newcomer-friendly and it's got somethin' to do with devouring your enemies.
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>>502385569
>Nintendo
>50% off
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>>502369591
Have you played Chrono Trigger?
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>>502354667
Plenty of Customization options, plenty of cute girls and sexual fanservice, plenty of content, not too complicated combat system and last but not least; a post-game
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>>502386731
dungeon travelers 2
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>>502386068
It was just on sale for 50% off on the Switch, anon.
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>>502386009
DDS is different from Nocturne in the following ways:
>heavier focus on story
>voice acting
>more cutscenes
>no demon fusions
>three party members instead of four
>less comedic/less dark
>more linear
>shorter (I finished DDS in 36 hours; Nocturne took me 65 hours to complete)
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>>502367774
I'm 92 hours into the game and from the looks of it in the home stretch. If you subtract the 5 or so hours I already took to grind Timegate, the probably 3 hours I took talking to NPCs (the amount of NPC dialogue in this game is CRAZY; every plot trigger in the most recent town each one will have up to three different conversations with you), and the 5 hours I spent doing the bonus dungeons (tower of temptation is a BITCH), then it checks out.

I didn't exactly go out of my way to fight encounters, just like any game where they aren't random, I ran past or snuck past any one's that I could. Normal encounters can be long until everyone in your party has AOEs
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>>502314350
Might as well ask here. Anyone remember the name of this JRPG? I believe it's supposed to be getting a port to the Switch, and comes from the PS1/N64 era although I don't remember which console it was on. It's super obscure and quirky, main character is a hat wizard thing or something.
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>>502387084
>less comedic/less dark
Ah, more of a lighter-but-not-too-light tone, then? Interesting.
I'd be somewhat against the linearity thing, but given that DDS seems pretty fuckin' neat story-wise, I doubt it'll matter much. Thanks, anon!
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>>502387673
MOON Remix.
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>>502387887
DDS2, at least from what I've played so far, has a lot more goofiness on par with Nocturne's Jack Frost interactions.
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>>502377464
Xenogears is boring as fuck
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Does that involve pic related by any chance, or is that more of a DDS1 thing? Just outta curiosity.
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>DDS2
>less dark
>the absolute fucked state of earth in 2
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1 more day till we all die bros...
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Is this peak soul?
>>502389393
DDS2 is both goofier/darker than DDS1, which means it's closer to Nocturne in that regard.
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>>502336785
You posted it anon
>>502338214
Extremely close second
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Where are you guys downloading in your iso? most sites have slow dl speed
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>>502390354
the archive
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>>502390354
Depends on what you're looking for. If it's PSX, PS2 or PSP vidya, you could give CDRomance a peep. They usually have *almost* everything.
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Has anyone here played Banner of the Maid?
Looks interesting but I'm not sure whether to go for it or not.
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Name a better JRPG mascot
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>>502386731
Etrian
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>>502387982
excellent, thank you
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>>502314350
Just beat Mario rpg. Should I play earthbound or FF6 next?
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>>502392021
While the quality of Frost's character is kinda arguable, he's definitely the most memorable demon in the whole series, so there's that.
Though I'm more partial to Pixie thanks to Nocturne, desu.
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Can my laptop emulate Persona 5, I played it at a friend's house ages ago and loved it but I don't own a PS3/4? My specs are:
>16GB RAM
>i7 7700HQ 2.80GHz
>GeForce GTX 1050Ti
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>>502392021
Pikachu of course
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>>502392378
On a limb, I'd say yeah. You'd have to fiddle with RPCS3 a fair bit, for sure, but it seems reasonable enough.
If you run into any trouble, you can always look around on the net - common issues include jittery video/audio and janky portrait scaling, but those can be fixed thanks to thread-stopping and a patch, respectively.
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>>502392515
Iconic doesn't mean good
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>>502392021
While I appreciate Jack, I'd say the Moogle is the better mascot.
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>>502392021
Tatsu
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>>502353869
Metal Max doesn't make any sence. It's never explained how populated areas survive in a barren wasteland. Where does the food come from? Are there any farms or trading for resources? Where does pure and clean water come from?

You can't also make choices that impact the story, factions or places in significant way. You don't see them changes in the end neither. Not only that but there is only a single ending in most Metal Max games, and it's a "you won against the bad guy" scenario.
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FFXII question:
I just got Zalera and the only real options are either HP boost for Shikari or Blood Sword/Karkata for Bushi. I normally wouldn't consider this since confuse feels kind of worthless to me, but my regular Bushi party doesn't have any Sap spells (though I could just sub someone in when it's really necessary). What should I go for?
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>>502314350
I'm gonna play Raidou 2 and I'm gonna fucking enjoy it, I'm trying to start a playthrough since January but always drop the game for some reason.
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>>502397318
Best of luck, anon! Don't force yourself if you're not feeling it, though.
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>>502392752
Dope, thank you.
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>>502396893
>It's never explained how populated areas survive in a barren wasteland
Trade, mostly thanks to caravans, depends on the size of the settlement and the general neighbourhood, some settlements are fairly autosufficient, others rely on commerce or bartering with other settlements, some hire hunters to do various stuff like salvaging materials or taking care of monster attacks etc.
>Where does the food come from? Are there any farms or trading for resources? Where does pure and clean water come from?
Most of those things are explained though, especially when they're major plot points like in 3, the rest you kind of have to assume like 90% of RPGs around.
>You can't also make choices that impact the story, factions or places in significant way
You don't seem to have actually played any game in the series if you say that given how most of the content in any game is completely optional and it's up to you whether you want to do things like liberate a city under siege or leave it like that.
>there is only a single ending in most Metal Max games
Not really, there's multiple endings in most MM games starting from Returns, granted that they're largely a CT type of deal, but they do exist.
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>>502397318
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Thank you to the anon who recommended RS3 to me, but there's just one thing that I want to know (I don't want to read that guide because experiencing and figuring out things on my own is super fun) - can I interact with items? Like, can I walk around a city and notice a pot and interact with it and inside there could be 7 Aurums or something like that? Or is it strictly human interactions?
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>>502398989
>an I interact with items? Like, can I walk around a city and notice a pot and interact with it and inside there could be 7 Aurums or something like that?
Nah, leave the Ultima kleptomania meme to DQ, there's no such thing in SaGa.
There will be a couple of dungeons with secret passages though, and some lootable skeletons, but those are fairly noticeable, the remake also makes them a lot more noticeable due to the updated backgrounds.
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>>502316351
I can't play with monsters in wrpgs
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>>502399548
Speaking of which, I've been itching to replay Tactics Ogre with an all monster team, plus Denam. I never used them before because of the stupid class leveling system.
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>>502400004
Most monsters in TO aren't worth the trouble outside of a select few.
Dragons are mostly worthless outside of the top tiers like Holy Dragons and Hydras, which come too late to be of any real use unless you're just replaying with Chariot, and even those have terrible defenses even if you feed them cards all day.
Octopi are still just as useless as the original and the vast majority of maps doesn't have water at all including most of the new ones.
Griffins are decent but defense wise they're still awful and can't take much of a beating until you're in the late 30's which means you're already done with the game and you're replaying with Chariot, so they're moot.
Cyclopses suffer from the same problems as Dragons as in they come way too late in all routes to be of any use, their innate access to Dark Magic also means little to nothing when they can't cast most of the good stuff to begin with and they're a melee oriented kind of deal.
Golems are busted for some reason, Iron Golems especially are disgustingly strong and potentially a better tank than most humanoids too on top of having insane firepower AND being able to attack at range for no TC cost whatsoever, basically an autowin unit if you also pair them with a Golem oriented Warlock that can buff them into the stratosphere.

I wish Matsuno tried to give a damn and balance his games, it's pointless to have all these options when most of them never matter, even with a Beastmasters there's really no use at all for things like Krakens, the only good monster units outside of Golems are the humanoids like Lamias or lizardmen, which work just like normal humans anyway outside of a worse selection of classes and some OC donut steel classes.
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>>502396893
Fuck off, Beepzorz
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what did you think of the trials of mana demo?
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>>502401706
good but easy, even on hard
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>>502343726
it's sold out in america
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>>502401310
I meant the lizards and lamias and all that. I don't care how bad they are, I've never used them before, so I want to use them. It's not like the game is so difficult that I can't use whatever.
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>>502354667
good story, characters, fun turn-based combat
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Post your JRPG list/backlog
>>502398989
Did you actually buy the game?
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>>502401706
From someone whose only played JRPGs in the Ys and Megaten series, it made me question what kinds of people play this genre. I went through it on hard and it was woefully easy, which made me believe it was a kids game, yet it had a lot of fan service which indicated it wanted a more adult audience.
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>>502402864
Backlog:
>SMT IVA
>Soul Hackers
>Raidou 2
>Vagrant Story
>DQ11
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>>502402963
Most jrpgs aren't made to be difficult
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>>502402963
People with barely a brain cell alive
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>>502382159
it's a great game, i loved it. I haven't played the updated version though
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>>502403563
It's worse
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>>502402963
>it made me question what kinds of people play this genre.
SD has always been a series aimed at children or generally younger audiences.
Also
>Ys
>SMT
>Hard
Get off your high horse, bro.
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Any games where I can romance either gender?

>>502402864
Currently:
>Finish Emerald nuzlocke
>Finish Code:VFD postgame
>Pick DQ4 back up
>Start Evolution Worlds
>Continue with EO4
>Continue with 7th Dragon
>Continue either of the two Phantasy Stars I started
>Try out Tales of Eternia
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>>502404163
I didn't mean to imply that SMT and Ys are hard, rather I commenting on a bit of confusion I had when trying to determine what kind of demographic ToM was trying to attract, and maybe JRPGs in general, since I haven't played a broad array of franchises in the genre.
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>>502373392
A little update, I got absolutely butt raped. Archer girl is almost useless
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Any other graphically intensive JRPG other than FFXV? I could play it on PC but it just disappoints me.
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>>502404595
Most of the current demographic is old fans in their late 20's, just like the previous remakes of SD1/SD2.
Old games from the time always had some lewd jokes too, so you shouldn't be surprised about SD3 designs being more on the adult side, back in the SNES game the best you'd get were the boxart and illustrations in the manual.
It's also kind of unique in the series for that too, as much as there were a couple of dirty jokes in SD2 too, if you play the first game or things like Legend of Mana, they're absolutely nothing like SD3 when it comes to more sexual stuff.
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>>502404727
uhh FF14? maybe nier automata if you count that. maybe nioh if you count that. jrpgs outside of square are typically not that focused on graphical fidelity.
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>>502404727
>Any other graphically intensive JRPG other than FFXV
Not really, most JRPGs around struggle to even approach AA territory.
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>>502402864
What I hope to get to during Coranatine:
>Xenogears
>.hack part 2
>Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana
>Cosmic Star Heroine

My overall backlog:
>Everything. Literally all of the games
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>>502405418
>>502405563
Fuck I've already 100% Nier and maybe I'll try Nioh 2... Is it pretty much dark souls but more arcady?
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>>502405664
>Is it pretty much dark souls but more arcady?
that's a pretty solid summation, yeah.
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>>502402963
>it made me question what kinds of people play this genre
The vast majority of games aren't difficult. It's a minority group to find games that kick your ass in any genre
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>>502405664
If it's anything like the first game, yeah, wouldn't call it arcadey though, it's more of souls clone but with diablo tier looting.
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What's a good level for Naoto's dungeon in P4G? I'm 41 and even with constant buffs and debuffs, the basement 4 boss is giving me issues (plus the thing is like level 50+). Assuming I'll have to grind but feels weird in SMT
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>>502327349
.hack// if you can stand Haseo for the first volume then he becomes less of a douchebag and slightly less chuuni
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>>502402963
>yet it had a lot of fan service which indicated it wanted a more adult audience.
Japan has never given a shit about peddling sex to young boys
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Got the Wii U version of MMBN3 intending to finally 100% complete the game only to realize in order to get the Bowlman V4 chip you NEED to use Team Style.
I really don't want to grind over 100 battles to get this style, get the chip, then grind an unknowable amount of battles to get back to my favourite style so maybe I'll just say 4 stars is good enough.
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>>502404727
DQXI looks beautiful
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Should I get Ni No Kuni 2?
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>>502405656
>overall backlog
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>>502373392
It's very based on VITA in Japanese
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>>502408462
No sense in playing the original version now when the rerelease fixes a lot of stuff and adds even more on top of the already great Vita version.
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>>502404452
I remember hearing you can get pretty homoerotic with male party members in Shining Resonance Refrain but it's not actual romance.
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>>502404452
Persona 2 IS
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I'm playing Valkyrie Profile and I have no fucking idea what is going on and feel like I've missed a bunch of shit so I want to restart. Or is this the kind of game that lends itself well to multiple playthroughs?
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>>502408682
>fixes a lot of stuff and adds even more on top
Nothing to fix and the additions are meh, but I'm a fairly hardcore fan and so is the Japanese community. If it's your first SAGA game then probably is a better version then.
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>>502410815
>Nothing to fix
There was actually a lot to fix with the Vita version, the performance especially.
There were also some models with missing textures such as Corinne's, major stat balance problems such as Kahn being just an inferior Tissisaaq, overall low level of challenge, several map locations with nothing in them but battles or mechanics that were generally half baked, like the entire goods section having no reason to exist at all in the original release.

This is not up to discussion or pretending you're more hardcore for liking a vastly inferior version, there is no reason whatsoever to play the original release, and I say this as somebody who preordered it and got it at launch, it was a good game but the rerelease fixes so much stuff that was wrong with the original release and adds also so much more content that is also just as good as the rest of the original game that is simply ridiculous to say the original release is better in any way outside of the admittedly much more elegant UI.
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>>502386009
DDS is basically a somewhat more typical JRPG using Nocturne's engine and of course SMT's aesthetics. Heavier emphasis on plot and characters, more cutscenes (which are voiced too), etc.
The biggest change is there's no demon recruitment or demon fusion, and you can only use 3 (out of 6) characters in battle. Each of those characters has their own stat builds, weaknesses and resistances; however (and this is my favorite part of DDS's gameplay) you can fully customize their skills at any moment out of battle, skills you learn in a system somewhat similar to FFX and FFXIII. You can get and purchase "mantras" that teach you skills permanently by spending atma points on them; you get these points by devouring enemies in battle using specific "devour skills" to finish them off. There's also a heavier emphasis on elemental interactions, including a new element (earth), and you even have skills (barriers) that nullify certain elements for a turn which become essential on some bosses.

It's a duology of two games that basically act as two halves of the same game, even more so than Persona 2. As someone's already pointed out on this thread, individually they're shorter than other SMT games, but together they amount to 50-70 hours of gameplay. It's an incredible experience (arguably one of the best and most underrated JRPGs) and a great entry point to the series as it introduces you to its general gameplay even though it doesn't have recruitment and fusion, and it feels less clunky and unforgiving that Nocturne (but it's not exactly easier, and Nocturne is still another amazing game and entry point).
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>>502397063
HP is the better choice. The blood sword stuff are basically filler midgame equipment.
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Is Persona 5 royal worth it if i played the original and loved it?
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>>502314350
Playing through DQ8 the first time, just got to the tall hilltop helping the King get over his sorrows. My god the world map and soundtrack sold me immediately, the orchestral tracks are nothing short of beautiful and the art style is pretty charming. I'm starting to bond a bit with the characters a lot more, although I wish Jessica and Angelo were as based as Yangus.
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>>502336785
Play Knights in the Nightmare.
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Started P5 for the first time and playin Ni No Kuni 2. The production quality increase from P4 to P5 is a lot more than i expected
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>>502338068
It's great, but different from other JRPGs. There are different starting characters with their own stories and own final bosses that drop you into a world you have to explore. It isn't nonlinear like the Romancing trilogy, but still has tons of exploration while you figure out what to do next to progress the story. Also it has four different races that develop in different ways and have their own skill sets.
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>>502331448
Like anything made by Sting. I liked Riviera the Promised Land but I know that game is very divisive because of how it handles the combat and linear story and stuff. The OST for the PSP version is some of the best jRPG music in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiqxIMysHZA&
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>>502412187
What version are you playing?
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>>502412535
PS2, wasn't sure of the 3ds version due to lack of orchestral soundtrack and portability is not a big plus for me. My 3ds isnt CFW'd so modding is out of the question
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>>502412210
>>502412490
Dept. Heaven is god-tier, Nigga's got good taste
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>>502412210
Which version of the game would you recommend psp or ds?
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>>502412702
Aren't all 3DS hackable?
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>>502412134
Do you want more of the same?
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>>502412702
You miss out on tons of extra content, but whatever. Have fun, it's the best DQ honestly
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>>502413089
I can just replay it later, will keep it in mind though, thanks anon.
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>>502412867
Even Gungnir gets too much shit by people that don't really get it. I miss Sting, currently playing Baroque (PS1) right now and it's really fun if a bit jank. I even enjoyed Dungeon Travelers 2 but it's just not the same, man.
>>502412913
DS is far easier to get into and far more intuitive, but the PSP one just looks and sounds that much better and it's far more accessible since you can play it even on a toaster with PPSSPP. I wouldn't say the PSP one is bad; it's a more forgiving experience, even in nightmare, because to compensate for the less accurate controls you get a whole more screen space to work with and even a guard that halves all time damage if you manage to fuck up and get hit (mapped to one of the shoulder buttons so only your reflexes have to be on point), and the bullethell is not as crazy since even enemy attack timings are slower than the DS in both normal and hard. If you're used to playing shoot 'em ups on a pad you can get somewhat used to it as soon as you find the right speed for the wisp and stick to that with minimal tinkering for certain patterns that require either tons of precision or fast movements, so I don't think it's as unplayable as the internet makes it seem.
It's really up to you, though. Despite all I'd recommend the DS version for the purest experience, if you actually have a DS lying around and don't find using the stylus for long periods of time uncomfortable.
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>>502336785
I fucking loved the Toushin Toushi remake, but imageepoch never localized it and since they're gone now, it will definitely never be translated. If you're not an EOP though, it's really fun. I loved the story, music, battle system, the girls, everything. It just really hit my tastes perfectly. If you love the whole "1v1 arena battle" type thing, you'll like this game.
Sakuya is so perfect.
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>>502413985
Do you know anything about the Dreamcast (or whatever it is) version of Baroque that's JP only? Apparently it's different somehow from the PS2/Wii versions.
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>>502336785
Every Etrian Odyssey.
SMT4 and Apocalypse.
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>>502413985
Does the psp ver have any extra content?
If not i will just play it on the ds.
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>>502336785
Final Fantasy Legend II.
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>>502336785
That's an easy question.
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>>502414746
It's the Saturn/PS1 version, the one I'm playing. It's a first person game instead with the same roguelike structure, but a far darker and more oppressive atmosphere that was lost in the remake.
Despite all the gameplay in the PS2/Wii remake is better and didn't change that much from the core game (it's just far less janky, even though it still is regardless, and moving through dungeons doesn't take you ages) but the pure visual artistry was lost in the transition.
>>502414989
It has an Yggdra route, but it's really not that substantial, more like just cute fanservice.
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>>502415737
GIMME MORE FUCKING SKILL CARDS YOU FUCKING JEW
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>>502367379
avoid the switch and vita versions like the plague. they both have severe performance issues and the vita version lacks content that all the other versions have. get it on pc.
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>>502336785
Growlanser IV
Devil Survivor
Dragon Quest 8
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>>502367992
>walking around spam talking to 300 NPCs is not good gameplay.
i completely ignored that filler bullshit and finished the game without it.
have you at least gotten to the part where you can start the musician route? that's where it started to click for me.
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1989.
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>>502354667
cute girls
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Devil Survivor.

I want to bust in between Yuzu's tits so badly GOD EFFING DANGIT!!!
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What jrpgs have the best turn based combat (preferably not ATB)?
Also, not strictly jrpg related but are there any good rpg maker games besides the big hitters like Off and Lisa?
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>>502417074
Yuzu is good. Haru is better.
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>>502417074
Based
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>>502412134
If you really love P5 then yeah I would say it is still worth it. The extra month and scenes are my favorite parts of the game now and somewhat different from the whole "adults bad" theme.
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>>502417259
I liked Legend of Dragoon's turn based combat, but in terms of balance it was pretty poor. Speed was literally everything and equipping Meru with speed stuff completely broke the game.

Etrian Odyssey has good turn based combat but that's not strictly a jRPG, it's a dungeon crawler.
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>>502417563
>not strictly a jRPG, it's a dungeon crawler.
Is this a real post
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>>502413042
I want more of persona 5
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>>502417782
Seems like an obvious answer then
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I really liked Fire Emblem Three Houses' story and characters. I think I want more.
I liked reading the lore in the library, even though it was very elementary and simple.
I liked the all out war between noble houses.

Anything else like it?
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>>502314350

Any good coop rpgs for the ps3, me and my son were thinking of starting tales of symphonia
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>>502417856
Mating press Kamui
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>>502417864
I assume you've already played the other FE games?
If not, you could start with those.
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>>502418021
I played them all. I was played Fire Emblem 4 on an emulator back in '03, and 7 on my GBA. Still have my 9 that I could sell for hundreds if I wanted and will never do it.
Not really a fan of Awakening and the other 2010s, but I loved Three Houses for some reason.
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>>502354667
>What the fuck do you even want in a JRPG?
Challenging gameplay that gets you and keeps you in the zone with minimal RNG, but still just enough to still surprise you, take you out of autopilot and make you readapt your strategies properly.
That's literally all I want. Can be turn-based or action, or even a weird mix, but so long it constantly keeps you engaged and on the edge of your seat without turning into a frustrating experience (basically just absurd trial and error) then it's a game I'll probably play to completion.
The part I've come to hate about the genre over the years is just how much of your actual playtime is spent on completely uninteresting gameplay. I used to enjoy that about JRPGs when I was younger since I found it comfy to just mindlessly slay waves of enemies as numbers got bigger and bigger and I distracted myself with the story and looking forward to more cutscenes, but the older I got and the more my gametime was cut due to the usual baggage that comes with getting older the more I found that honestly said loop in its entirety is not only completely uninteresting, but boring as fuck.
So yeah, keep me engaged. That's all I'll ask for. Otherwise I'll fall asleep while playing whatever dumb bullshit I'm going through (latest example would be DQXI) and eventually drop the game in favor for something that better fits my tastes. There's so much interesting shit I've still yet to play I doubt I'll finish my backlog just for the current generations, even narrowing it down to the games that fit my needs, until I hit my 40s or some absurd shit like that.
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Does anyone know if FE Three Houses works well on the yuzu emulator? I don't have a switch and I'm not going to buy one because I'm a NEET so this is the only way I'd be able to play it. I've enjoyed most of the FE games for what they were, and I really enjoyed 6 and Awakening so I'm hoping for good things from TH.
I see on the yuzu wiki thing that it was tested a while back and it was playable all the way through but you had to skip the pre-rendered cutscenes or something because they froze the game and shit, but this was before the latest update. Does anyone know if it's playable at least semi-comfortably now? I really want to at least try it.
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>>502417864
Try Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together. It has a very political story with tons of branches to complement the gameplay. That's like the granddaddy of the whole genre.
You also have Front Mission 3, Yggdra Union and FFT. They all do the whole war story thing in varied and super enjoyable ways, if anything FE in general might feel super weak after playing through those.
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>>502417864
Langrisser/Growlanser
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>>502417864
Utawarerumono is more of a full visual novel with short SRPG sections but it's really good, give the remake of the first game a try if you happen to have a PS4. If not you can still start with 2, which is on PC.
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>>502356294
I don't remember making this comment but thank you fellow SaGa fan.
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>>502401706
I fucking loved it, really looking forward to the full game.
Like other people have mentioned, it is too easy but if the final version remains easy even after the starting area then I'm not opposed to self imposed challenges to make it harder.
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Play EO
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>>502423681
I played enough single one multiple times
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>>502423681
>all shaman party in EO5
man that was a fun time
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>>502419807
>give the remake of the first game a try if you happen to have a PS4
Anon, you can't tell someone to try a game that's not out yet or else you'll get them excited. Hurry up already fuck

A note of caution to >>502417864 though, you can start with 2 since it was largely made with the intent of bringing in new fans, but you won't get as much as you can out of 3 because they go full force with callbacks to 1.
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>Playing persona 5 royal.
>Can't get any hold-ups for pyro jacks and mandrakes because they die in one fucking hit now.
what the fuck did they seriously make the game even easier?
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>>502417259
Legend of Legaia has a fun system
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I had to drop Vesperia because it was boring the fuck out of me. No idea what I'll play next.
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My favorite part of JRPGs has always been visiting towns along the way and doing sidequests. What RPGs have the absolute comfiest towns /v/?
Legend of Mana (and Mana games in general) are great in this regard.
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>>502426386
Dubababababa Dub
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>>502426593
Dub!
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>>502426664
gak!
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>>502426386
Definition of comfy
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>>502426386
Final Fantasy IX
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>>502426386
Anon you already posted the comfiest town in all of vidya
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>>502367391
>First CH game and I like it (for now)
It's written by the guy who wrote the original Corpse Party so that would be why. It gets bananas but overall has a great tense mystery plot. Really strong protagonists too.
One of my all time favorite VN/JRPGs despite its flaws
>Only bad thing rn are the loading time that take up to one (1) minute for absolutely nothing, are all CH game like that (PS4)?
Far as I know, yeah. Even Nippon Ichi games can be like that. It's pretty ridiculous.
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After like 200 collective hours across P5 and P5R I still think having each button assigned to different menu parts instead of using the d-pad/stick to scroll through options and confirm with x/deny with o feels like absolute fucking shit and having all these button prompts cover the screen looks like trash.
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Why do people recommend Star Ocean 2? Is this really the best game in the series?
All you do in combat is literally spam the same skill or two and stunlock enemies and bosses alike into certain death, that and abuse the absurdly overpowered spells in the game to completely decimate everything in your path while killing the pace of combat so hard you'll barely move a few steps with your melee character before everything's just outright dead after watching the same 5 second animation repeated 5 times, pausing everything else (also applies to when enemies do it)
This game's so broken even for the time it's not even funny
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>>502429850
Star ocean has always been a shit series, I have no idea why people say it has good games.
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>>502429850
The combat is pretty braindead but the story, characters and affection system rates it highly
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>>502314350
Etrian Odyssey V, Lili just went missing.
Good game.
>Hippogryph absolutely annihilates me on first go, I don't even get it down 10% health
>come back 1 level higher and squash it in about 5 turns without taking damage
ugly little bastard
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>>502367379
VITA
GO VITA VITA VITA AAAAAARGH
THEY SAVAGED THE STORY, RUINED THE MAIN VILLAIN, ADDED USELESS NEW CHARACTERS MADE THE MAIN CAST RETARDED PUT IN WORSE ANIME SCENES WHICH AREN'T EVEN MATCHING IN-GAME SETTING WHERE A SCENE IS AT NIGHT BUT THE ANIME SCENE TAKING PLACE IN THE SAME AREA IS SUDDENLY DURING THE DAY
I AHTE IT
I HATE IT
DIE

Caligula Effect is one of the best recent JRPGs in terms of story but it was so undercut by marketing and stupid decisions from Furyu.

Tadashi Sadamoto the writer for Persona 1, 2 (IS&EP) and a few other classic Atlus titles brought out a game about various people (some teenagers, others not) trapped in a false reality wherein you escape into a new identity as a high school student living carefree days
forever
in a loop

When you awake you realize the dream is collapsing and freak out only to run into the best qt and main singer of the OST, Mu. Mu is the power behind this looping false world and refuses to let anyone out and, after being chased by deformed digitized nutjobs and meeting best bro Shojo, you join a group of randos known as the Go Home Club trying to find their way home.

The story involves themes of
>growing up
>aimlessness
>severe bullying
>peer pressure, etc.

Furyu supposedly asked Tadashi
>Hey these themes are a little too taboo for a persona-like. Can you tone it down?
To which Tadashi responded by GOING HARDER

>agoraphobia
>child abuse
>gender confusion
>autism
>PTSD
>teen pregnancy and MORE

The main villains are interesting but the cast is so much deeper than you'd expect. Mind you ONLY the main cast
DO NOT listen to adverts. You can recruit NPCs but none of them are actual characters. Only the main cast matters.
Vita version has better animation, writing, translation (done by Atlus (pre-P5) not NISA). Only issue is a terrible bad framerate when combat goes nuts but that's fine if you're emulating.

I am a massive CE fan so if you need an autist to talk about it more without spoilers I'll do it.
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>>502430337
The vita original is fucking unplayable and requires you to hack one just to it work. The musicians are much better than the Go-Home club
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>>502430625
>The vita original is fucking unplayable and requires you to hack one just to it work.
No it isn't. The frame rate dip is a regular occurrence for the flashier moves in-combat but it only lasts a split second before returning to normal. For anyone not used to playing on PC with 60fps it's fine. Everyone grossly overestimates the issue.

Besides it's better to deal with a minor hack for higher frames or just deal with frame dips than to deal with an entirely worse story and experience. Plus it removed the environment detail from combat so you can't even play little tactical tricks if you wanted. overdose sucks

>The musicians are much better than the Go-Home club
I'd say they are about the same but you get more depth from the main cast. More fleshed out. I know they gave the player a chance to get to know them personally in the alternate play of the Overdose remake but it doesn't explain anything that was necessary to understand them or like/hate them than the base game. The two new female characters, gas mask and man-fearer, are great, but they're tied to the can jackass whose inclusion breaks the story and ruins the dynamic of the party while presenting them as all stupid.

have a mia
Code Vein is also a great game.
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>>502427719
Oh man, I love Traverse Town.
I should have my copy of Kingdom Hearts somewhere around here, I might revisit that.

>>502428597
Final Fantasy IX had some super comfy places too, you're right.

>>502428691
It really is, isn't it?
That and your own house in the game are peak comfy.
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Are any of those mods for original FF7 fun? Kind of like to spice things up a bit, but I won't bother if they're shit.
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>>502431227
>No it isn't.
Yeah it is though. I played the Vita original and some battles (especially bosses) would just fucking turn into a near slideshow.
>but it doesn't explain anything that was necessary to understand them or like/hate them than the base game
It gives them a lot of extra depth, and playing as Lucid is fucking amazing. It's a own villain route next to heroic route
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>>502432225
>I played the Vita original
So did I. Multiple times. I know what you're talking about anon but it's not something an emulator chad would find terrible. If you can emulate it then Vita is the best game and even if you can't I'd prefer the original story, best written and executed, with all the sporadic combat frame crapping than have a smoother game with far worse and broken story.
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>>502432225
>playing as Lucid is fucking amazing.
It was great extra content but again you have a worse story and have to deal with cane fag ruining the main cast.
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>>502432649
Eji and the new characters are the best part of the game. As you unravel this arson case that involves characters from both sides of the conflict you see both sides of the story and watch as the whole picture comes together by the end
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>>502429850
>>502429925
This, SO is a series that has never been anything special. Golden Sun is the same deal.
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>read hentai doujins of a series
>play the game
>keep thinking about those doujins
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>>502433341
>Eji and the new characters are the best part of the game.
No
>this arson case
is what is the best part of the game. It's multilayered, traumatic, ties directly to several characters and is entirely dependent upon player interaction to even understand let alone resolve. It's genuinely fantastic.

Eiji beating up Mu is stupid
The main cast accepting him even after that is insanely stupid
Eiji implying he knew about crazy loli's trick with the food is stupid
He is clearly a villain and the OG cast would not accept this edgy faggot especially after what he pulls later. He's only there as a twist and inclination for the player to go Skull Mode instead of only playing it vanilla. Obviously the alt. ending is also completely stupid but eh

Eiji is the worst part. He should never have been introduced as a party member but as part of the villain side. Then we'd never get the immersion breaking stupidity of his antics, especially with Mu. Get real with this anon come on.

Also making the main villain repentant in the end is RETARDED. Yeah I know it's the "Catharsis Effect" and beating up bosses helps them to understand themselves and the party better, but the main villain isn't in need of catharsis or understanding. He knows exactly what he's doing and he's so obsessed, so far gone, that there is no reaching him. That's why the scene ends in suicide with him basically cursing Shojo to his death. He was a fantastic psychopath and being THAT far gone is the only thing that makes sense. He went to deceive Mu, manipulate everyone, brainwash countless (including, it's revealed, the musicians) and even bring the world to the brink just so he could have a live his delusion for a fleeting moment before dying too. Overdose gives him a stupid faggy Goro Akechi redemption last-second before an heroing anyway. It's stupid. Dude convinced Mu to trap people who irl died or lef their babies starving to death while in the dream. Come on.
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>>502433771
SO2 is a pretty unique game, there's nothing out there quite like it not even the other SO.
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>>502367379
here's your answer
https://www.bitchute.com/video/tSdEMg0GtlZW/

>>502417074
Best post but not best girl.
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>>502435929
>Eiji beating up Mu is stupid
I forgot it wasn't Mu it was one of the musicians, the new one, the one the entire cast saw was freaking out over the fire and hyperventilating

Mu saw it too and was convinced by it that they were bad guys, except she was already convinced of it by the time you reached her on the roof top so it was a useless inclusion and, again, totally out of character for the party to just mosey along with the guy

No one acted stupid or naive who didn't have a reason for it in the original game. Everyone's actions and decisions made sense not just for plot but personhood.
Why in the blazing hell would they ever keep Eiji around after that? They wouldn't. THe older ones would know better and the younger ones, especially those wanting to be a justice hero trouble shooter would never.
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>>502434657
Well what series faggot?
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>>502437265
trials of mana after reading all the kirishima satoshi stuff
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>>502432019
There was a "definitive edition" mod that just basically fixes annoying bugs/glitches/softlocks and adds like a fuckton of QoL improvements like skippable cutscenes and making certain sections/puzzles of the game not as tedious, and it allows you to warp out the North Crater when you reach the final room before the Jenova/Sephiroth fight.
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>>502417259
End Roll
Towelket
Vampires Dawn

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