>playing Japanese games in English
>playing Japanese games in Finnish
>>497708717>playing video games
>play japanese game>the only available language is english
>>497709256I always laugh at the retarded boomers in Japan with their big ass backpacks yelling at the poor guy in really loud English, as if yelling loudly will make them understand you.
If it's a game where I don't care about the writing much I'll often buy the English copy because they're often 20-30 dollars cheaper even without adding import fees into the equation. If they have Japanese language options I'll use that though.
>Browsing 4chan instead of grinding vocab in AnkiNever gonna make it if you're doing less than 20 words per day in both VNcore and Core 2k / 6k.
>>497708717Many games have bad translations, but many have good ones as well. Nowadays i much rather play dubbed games as well, but that's just me, for most of my life i used subbed and thought myself an enlightened individual or some bullshit akin to that, but good dubs can really change you perspective, i really liked the cold steel dub i'll say that much (til 3 that is. [randy's voice is utter trash there]).
>>497708717>KanjiNot even once
>Autistically playing both versions to see what was localized
>he plays Resident Evil in Japanese
>>497708717>playing English games in Japanese
>>497708717>not playing games in whatever language they got released in first
>>497710514I play Biohazard in Japanese
>>497711005>Its a simultaneous release
Is EOP a term created by salty 3rd worlder feces and then adopted by cringe ironic weeaboo tranny weebs? Only seen the term crop up alot recently (been here for over a decade).
>>497708717>not playing english games in japanese
>>497711439Only 2 languages matter, English and Japanese if you speak any other language as a first language you’re a third worlder and I’m not going to donate any money to feed your family sorry
>>497710187it's not THAT hard. Once you learn the ones kindergartners use, the rest come slightly easier (since you should also be reading simple books/comics while learning)
>>497711408Look at the creative staff and try to infer which language was the "original" or that the writers would be better at directing VA for and the like.IE a finnish game made by finnish devs and written by a finnish dude my also have a english release at launch but it's probably better to play in finish.I don't know why I put so much though into this shit I'm probably autistic.
>started learning japanese>a bunch of huge time sink video games I like come out in quick succession to top off my backlog >put on hold because i have no diciprine it's not easy being an underachiever
>using text hooker to play english game in japanese
>>497711612>it's not THAT hardNigga I'm still on my Hiro and Katakana. I ain't even touch numbers yet.
>>497711897Once you reach the point where your vidya/manga/anime time and japanese study time become one it becomes a lot easier. I presume at least, I haven't gotten their myself.
>>497711897>on /v/>learning japanese>backlog>underachieverare you me?
>Japanese bonus track
>>497708717I'm at that uncomfortable stage where I need to be doing a lot of reading to make any skill gains but also where my japanese isn't quite good enough for me to understand everything and I'll miss out on a lot of the plot if I try.
Okay, so Ive>Downloaded a not Duolingo app to learn basic stuff>Watching Cure Dolly's videos, the face is creepy as fuck but I like what it teaches>Learning the radicals in Anki>Learning the core2k/6k in AnkiAnd I need to go back to Tae Kim, I dropped it when the verb rules appeared. Anything else to do/have? Or am I okay if I consistently learnd and do what im already doing?
>>497713001Skip radicals. Uninstall duolingo.Keep going with Tae Kim and the Core 2k/6k decks. You can install VNCore 1250 or more obscure decks to pick up more obscure vocab. If you install the VNCore deck it'll share vocab with Core2k for a while at the beginning then branch out into explaining some more obscure stuff.
>>497712951Play games you've already played before in English or some random VN where you wouldn't care about the plot either way
>>497713762That's what I've been doing, but it'll be nice when I finally reach the point where I can study by reading things I actually want to read.
>>497712342>he thought "/v/ is one person" was a joke
ALRIGHT FINE FUCK YOU.GIVE ME ALL YOUR JAP LEARNING RESOURCES I WILL LEARN IT AND SHOW YOU.
>>497708717>game defaults to japanese voices, outright tells you that's how it's meant to be experienced>"""people""" switch to the dub anyway
>>497713657If you don't know radicals, you literally do not know Japanese.
>>497713848If you're following along at least half of the time you're not too far off. It took me more time to be able to follow along in stuff I already played than it did for me to go from there to fully understanding new material.
>>497714090You'll learn them alongside kanji, learning radicals in isolation is a waste of time unless you're really, really struggling with kanji.
>>497714090t. at the peak of Mt. Stupid
>everyone freaking out and excited over a new release>check out the thread/article>It's a localization of something I played and beaten months/years ago
>>497708717>Play Japanese games>english and japanese language versions created side by side>english dub overseen by main director>created with a western audience in mind>still play the japanese version
>>497708717>playing japanese games
I hate all of you
>>497711560Russian is my first language but I live in the United States now and I rarely use it
>>497714919>Slav >moved to Latin AmericaWhy?
>>497714090never gonna make it
>>497714914Quick anon, is that a shi or a tsuDepending on how you answer you might not make it
>>497714914>learning handwritingJapanese people can't even write by hand anymore. What a waste of time
>>497715120It's a shitsu
>>497715220For some people it really helps with memorization
>>497708717>started tae kim todaywhat the fuck
Watching some vtubers play something like gtav you can see just how much english meaning is lost between translations. No doubt its the same in reverse.
>>497715220I told this to my girlfriend and she said westerners are retarded. Of course they can hand write why wouldn’t they be able to?
>>497715120If you even need to ask, you didn't make it.
>>497715379it is the same in reverse. 2ch anons shit on JOPs and laugh at people trying to play western games in japanese.
>>497715220>handwritingNo I did it cause I didnt wanna write them over and over again.Albeit I probably should since it helps remember how to speel words in anatomy courses.
>>497708717I'm learning but it's hard for an unmotivated brainlet like me
>>497715361Side by side, it's nutsy at first but its not that bad.
>>497715361Remembering their stroke order might help if you know hiragana already. You can do this with the other three as well. You should learn Hiragana first either way.
Japanese is a retarded language as is any language not in Cyrillic or Latin alphabet. All slants must hang.
>>497715449I only watch western stuff in Japanese
>>497715754>Cyrillic Cope harder Slav(e)
>>497708717>People freaking about *insert game* "localization".>It's something i played months/years ago
>>497715025Father was American, mother was Russian. She took me moved back to Russia when I was around 1 year old. I lived there until I was about 15 then I moved back with my father in middle of nowhere Tennessee.It may be tennessee but it’s 100x better than russia
>>497715867>meanwhile Japs get raped by Slavs multiple timesShouldn't you be off getting stuffed into a cement barrel Tokofukushimashimichongo-chan?
>>497713762>Download Mario & Luigi SSS because ive already played it 3 times already>Reading so slow the first narrations and automatic dialog go by so fast with me not even having looked at the kanjiKinda demotivates desu, but I guess that's something I can only do by forcing my brain to adapt.>>497713982Have this basic thinghttps://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html
>>497716045Miscegenation needs to be illegal again
>>497712114>haven't gotten their myself>their
>>497716094Slavs are literally not even humans
>>497716295>He says replying to a picture of Junko FurutaYeah, the japs sure are human.
>>497708717Well yeah nothing wrong with a good English dub I thought Sekiro was good so maybe I got bad taste or something>https://www.strawpoll.me/19460072
>>497715361Heh, good old times, you will soon learn that this shit is nothing.
Post games to play in Japanese. Currently playing MHp3rd
>>497716295>Be slavs>Write a bunch of literary classics and be the first people into space>Be jap gooks>Literally never written a single worthwhile piece of art in your entire historyAsians are literally bugs.
>>497716369Sekiro was not only a bad dub, it was a bad translated with several mistranslated parts that severely altered the story itself for the English audience. You did yourself a disservice if you played it with an English dub, but then again thanks to the shit translation you still wouldn't have been able to understand what was going on in the story.
I just want to know this fucking language, I learned english why is this shit so much harder
>wasted almost 2 years of being a NEET not learning japaneseI tried about exactly a year ago now, but only got like 180 cards into ankiI restarted yesterday with a different deck, my issue was the furigana was hindering me on the old one. I'd learn the card because I recognize the furigana and sound not because I recognize the kanji.This one doesn't have furigana or sound on the front of the card, it should make it easier to remember the kanji
>>497716347There are only 2 races of humans in this earth, the Anglo and the Yamato. God put our races on islands so that we would live separately from the continental sub humans. Jesus Christ himself travelled to England and preached the gospel and with his own two hands built the very first church in Glastonbury. The Emperor of Japan is a direct descendent of Amaterasu, the Anglo Japan alliance is the oldest alliance between human civilizations and rightfully we have dominion over the lesser beings on this earth such as the Queerbecker, the Slav, the Chinese and the Korean
>>497708717Can I self-learn Japanese? Be honest with me anons.
>>497716491How can they be the first people in space when they aren’t even people?
>>497716186It could also be the pixely font throwing you off, I probably would've had trouble with that too. Try Gamecube or DS games.
>>497716615>There are only two island racesSo this is the mental power of the anglo.....
>>497715412I hope the punchline to this bullshit fantasy is that your GF isn't even Japanese.
>>497716676As long as you're not a quitter
>>497716704More human than jap insects. Japs have literally never produced a meanwhile piece of art in their entire existence. Their paintings are literally 3rd grade shit for fuck sake. Literally a race devoid of subtlety.
>Kanji has to reading>In Japanese the subject is implied, while in English, you are always stating the subject
>>497716963You sound like you're Korean or Chinese.
>>497717014two readings* fuck
>>497716938Easily distinguishable from the context. 精進しろ。
>>497717065Naw, I'm burger and have seen how pretty much every other race has produced art worth a shit while Japs haven't. Hell they had to have the Koreans make an actually good piece of media based on their garbage with Old Boy.
>>497717189>Naw, I'm burger >Hell they had to have the Koreans make an actually good piece of media based on their garbage with Old Boy.You aren't fooling anyone, Kim.
>>497716963>>497717189this is art
The only instance you can defend playing in English is when theres little to no voice acting and that is incredibly rare in the modern age
>>497716938kiwhats wrong? think of it like a psuedo script style of wrtting in English.
Reading katakana names is physically painful for me. It makes it really difficult to play anything in a fantasy setting.
>>497717421waitisn't that gi
I keep quitting and comming back everytime, already read tae kim, tried anki core 2k a couple of times and tried learning through handwriting, all to nothing. How the fuck should you learn japanese?
>>497717421>kinot gonna make it
>>497717421>missed the "whoops gi
>>497717537nah mate that's a ゛
>>497717291If I was Kim I'd be shilling garbage like Parasite instead of Old Boy, also Thai films are better than Korean films. Uncle Boonme is underrated as fuck. Also Kimchi is trash.
>>497717014>thinking kanji only has two readingsyou don't know hell yet
>>497716676Yes. Hiragana and Katakana are the first hurdle but learning vocabulary and becoming familiar with kanji is widely and falsely regarded as difficult because of the sheer effort you have to put into it. Thinking that kanji and vocab is hard is the first 'wall' to learning because grammar is way worse.It's also important to be consistent with learning because skipping 1 day becomes skipping a weekend which becomes skipping a week or a month or months or years. It's easy to forget Japanese if you don't use it so you get stuck staring at Anki encouraging you to review hundreds or thousands of cards and you have to do it or else you'll forget what you're learning and then it's like you never learned it at all.In the time it takes to learn Japanese you could be fluent in a whole bunch of romance languages like Spanish or Italian. Yet when was the last time anyone wanted to read the original text of Don Quixote? Don Quixote has over 20 translations but your favorite Japanese media probably has none. In the time it takes to translate a VN you could probably just learn Japanese and read it yourself. Learning Japanese isn't really something you'll regret. You'll regret not learning it around 4 years from now.
>>497717569>>497717537It's a 濁点. When did /v/ get run over by dekinais?
>>497717014>In Japanese the subject is implied, while in English, you are always stating the subjectthat's a really convenient feature though.
>>497716829Yes, we are the only two humans on this earth.>>497716852She is>>497716963Was your grandma a comfort woman? Lmaoooo
>>497717494just go to japan and live there bro
>>497717691When has it ever not been full of them?
DON'T LEARN JAPANESEI LEARNED IT AND MOVED TO JAPANNOW I AM GOING TO DIE FROM CORONA VIRUS
What do you guys do to learn tones? I watched a few videos and learned the 4 types of tones, but I forgot how to tell what intonation you're supposed to have for a sentence after that first word and particle is over.
>>497717691Yes that's what I >>497717569 typed「だくてん」を変換してみよ
>>497717691>kanjihide your power level
>>497717740Was yours a shadow on a sidewalk?
>>497714914Is this loss?
>>497717721It makes me wonder how easy it is to fuck up translations with just that.
>>497718019get a functioning IME, retard
>tfw make it far enough in Japanese Pod101 that Peter doesn't do the lessons any moreDamn, I hated Peter.
>>497717014Show me a subject in this very sentence.
>>497717580>Uncle BoonmeeUndeniably based. Don't know how a movie wins the fucking palme d'Or but somehow nobody knows it exists.
>>497718109watch this week's Radiant (season finale) official subs got the subject wrong TWICE different scenes too
The writing system is inexcusable
Is there a release or hack of mother 2 that makes it readable? Fuck chicken scratch at that resolution.
>>497718268You were looking right at the subject before you even started.
>>497718482I want to do unspeakable things to dekinai-chan
>go to do the daily Anki grind>always a gorillian cards>somehow always forget exactly 40 of them>still haven't finished Tae Kim because I keep forgetting to do it>haven't been able to read a sentence yetI'm only a month in. Does it get any better or is it only worse from here?
>>497718543You can't do anything to her.
>>497718445指 - finger輪 - loop指輪 - a finger loopWhat's the problem here?
>>497718482He got it right Englishlet
>>497711439>Only seen the term crop up alot recentlyI feel the same way about "ESL" too desu. Suddenly everyone started using it as some kind of meme word and insult, as if seven billion people in the world aren't ESL. Quite frankly if you only speak one language, you are mentally handicapped
>>497718687>no pubesno thanks
>>497718714>established way would be to read it as shirin>it's read as yubiwa because fuck you
>Li ne ludas esperante Stutuloj bezonas lerni la veran internacian lingvon
>>497718747>as if seven billion people in the world aren't ESLThat is technically not true.
Is Yokai Watch good for learning Japanese? I played the first two games in English and am thinking about playing 3 in Nip for practice.
>>497718268>show me>this very sentenceanon..
>grinding kanji in anki>making my own silly mnemonics, even drawing goofy pictures to go along with themWhy do people hate kanji? I'm having the time of my life.
>>497718659How do you have that many cards that you're failing 40 of them a month in? Should be getting like 50 or 60 reviews a day max. How many new cards are you even setting for yourself? If you're getting that overwhelmed, stop putting new cards for a day or two. It's more important to get grammar and start reading than it is to have a bunch of new words. If you can't read the sentences, those words are basically useless anyway.
>>497718714That's exactly the kind of weird symbolism they are forced to use because Kanji is so retarded. What's that, a telephone? How aboutelectric speech
>>497718734ah fuck>show me the subject OF this sentence
>>497718659So far so good.
>>497719173>tele: far>phon: sound
>>497717801>no one else is learning tonesngmi /v/
>>497718659It gets easier but improve your retention through mnemonics or rote and actually read the sentences + listen to the audio if you're using the Core 2k/6k that has it. It'll go over your head at first but at the rate I assume you're going at (around 20 new cards a day) the sentences in anki should make sense after a month (but you're still screwed for native material).Review Tae Kim a lot. If you're using Japanese media then I also recommend Japanesewithanime because it has extensive guides on particles, more obscure parts of the language (like the rare kana), and how the language can work in fiction (like how a character might speak in purely katakana).
>>497719118I love the feeling of using kanji to act chuuni in Japanese出でよ! 偉大なる終焉の鳳凰!
>>497718957I started thinking about it and there's barely 500 million EOPs in the world
>>497718445Ariana Grande go away
The only EOPs in this world are all gathered in this thread right now.
>>497719494Your use of ESL was also technically incorrect. Brazilians living in Brazil and learn English for example are not ESL.
>The only EOPs in this world are all gathered in this thread right now.
>>497719173>That's exactly the kind of weird symbolism they are forced to use because Kanji is so retarded.It's the exact same thing like how western languages tend to use Latin and Greek roots to coin new words.Telephone = Tele(far) + Phone(sound)肺炎 = lung + flame -> pneumonia, i.e. lung inflammation>>497719415>tonesYou mean pitch accent?
>>497719130I'm definitely over 600 words at this point, but I forget a different 40 each time. I hit 1 if I can't remember the meaning and pronunciation exactly, so that might be why.I do 20 new cards a day, but if I get overwhelmed I'll stop adding them. But you're right, I should focus on getting grammar done.>>497719432Thanks anon, I'll keep that in mind.
>>497719194Its still , this sentence, but the sentence itself makes no sense and needs further clarification because of the rules of English. Also notice how you had to even preposition just that with "show me", "the", "this", and "of".
>>497718734Isn't it object?
>>497718734It isn't an implied you?
>>497719882no, the subject of the prepositional clause is not the subject of the sentence as a whole.
why do trannies avoid using ore or boku
>>497719303Hey man at least the actual word is revealed in the writing, it just says what it is. Kanjis are like playing Pictionary
Hahaha, cool thread. Reminds me of how I learned Japanese and moved to Japan. It's pretty good here. And yes, partially also because you aren't here, no need to hide this obvious fact.
>>497719642>Brazilians living in Brazil and learn English for example are not ESLWut. English is their second language. That's what it means. English as a second language. Portuguese is their first language
>>497720123No. Technically they are EFL, English as a foreign language.
How can I get laid using HelloTalk?
>>497720208What exactly do you think ESL means then?
>>497720279I think? What?ESL stands for English as a second language.
>>497720214>go to Japan>contact local slut>say you're ビッグちんこ外人>???>profit
>>497720365And how is that different from "EFL"? If English isn't your first language, it's your second language. Or third, or fourth or whatever the case may be
>>497720005Yes, but the subject is the subject of the sentence, which there is none as it just points to the sentence again making it the subject. Which is why it needs more clarification as the sentence cant be the subject.>>497719984Its implied hes talking to you. But you isn't the subject.
>>497715361In digital? It's not bad, since they're all positioned different enough to remember them. It's only in handwriting where it gets bad, since those little lines start drifting all the fuck over the place.
>>497720214Just go to a bar for foreigners, there’s one near me that always has a couple of jap girls sitting alone looking for a foreigner, but be warned foreign bars are overpriced and really fucking annoying because dumb Americans don’t sit at the bar they’re always standing and walking around like retards. I don’t know if it’s usual in their country but it’s really annoying
>>497719774Yeah, pitch accent.
>>497720507EFL refers to people in non-English speaking countries learning English which is a foreign language to them.ESL refers to people living in English speaking countries that speak another language as their native language.Brazilians learning English in Brazil are EFL learning a foreign language.Brazilians that come to the USA then learn English are ESL learning is as their second language.That's why I said you were technically incorrect.
>>497719859I'm at 1500 and I don't care anymore, I just hit "hard" every time and pick up whatever sticks. I should probably try actually reading stuff to remember things better, but then again I don't really even care about reading Japanese very much, which is why I really question why I even started learning in the first place. Now I'm just too deep to stop anymore so I just keep going
>>497720615What if I want to pick up 女子高生 before it starts being weird?
>>497720750That's quite a pointless distinction to be honest. Whenever people drop "ESL" here, it's still implied that they're retarded or something because they live in x country and happened to learn another language first. Which I don't really get at all but hey, if it makes them feel better
>>497720615It comes to us naturally. Maybe if your shitty nation was a world superpower, you'd understand the enjoyment that comes with going wherever the fuck you want, whenever the fuck you want.
>>497721209You shouldn't get triggered so easily anon, it makes us look bad.
>>497720024>why do *people who reject their own masculinity* avoid using *typically masculine personal pronouns*Gee I fucking wonder
>>497718659>always a gorillion cardsChange it from the default settings, 60 (20 per deck, 3 decks) new words a day is a pretty fucking preposterous and you WILL burn out. Use the time you freed up to apply what you've learned through Japanese media, whichever kind you like most.
>hentai game is in Chinese
>another Japanese threadFucking meme language don't make me get the info graphs
>>497721103Well now you know that they are technically incorrect and can call them out.The reasoning if you are curious is that these terms emerged as part of education. Teaching people to speak English where the classroom is their only place to use it vs teaching English where they live in an English speaking country. Students learning English in Brazil obviously will have different needs than immigrants living and working in the US. So they constructed the two terms as two different types of education methods and styles emerged.You can google esf vs efl if you want more details than a random anon poster.
English is reddit language
>>497721268I'm not triggered, I'm just doing my civic duty of informing the savages of the world why their betters act they way they do.
>>497721431>>497721209I started trying to imagine people constantly wandering around in bars here, the mental image is pretty funny
>>497721337>Start learning japanese>Preview myself by seeing what doujins,cgs, and artists are currently untranslated.>A good portion of my favorites ones are in Chinese/KoreanThe learning process never ends, huh?
>>497708717>Playing in English with Japanese subtitles
>>497721386Lots of vidya come from there. Of course theres a Niphon thread on V.
>>497720024>not avoiding using bokuwhy
>>497720723I haven't really properly studied pitch accent itself tbqh. I pretty much just stick to imitating natives when it comes to intonation. Pitch accent isn't uniform across the country anyways: Tokyo and the Kansai regions have completely different accents, plus there's regions that do not use pitch accent to distinguish any words at all.
>information density>still reposing this articlea lot people called it out
>>497714914Fuck, I've seen people struggling with Hiragana and I make fun of them all but katakana?People can't be this stupid
>>497722180When the french, Germans, or Italians make lots of vidya Ill care.
>>497722020Supposedly a lot of natives won't understand you if you haven't studied pitch at all. The issue is you have to memorize it for every word (or memorize multiple meanings for one set of characters), which seems near impossible for self-study. I have plenty of basic vocabulary, but it will suck if I'm handicapped for actually using it because of the pitch thing.
>>497722394>Supposedly a lot of natives won't understand you if you haven't studied pitch at allgoddamn its portuguese all over again
>>497722394>learn retarded writing system>grapple with homophones and ambiguous sentences>still cant communicate despite understanding the language because of pitchCool language
>>497708717>not playing the superior localizationsNip shit is dry as fuck.
>>497722180>JP information density that lowBet you niggers 10000円 those "researchers" didn't even try to account for high-context communication in Japanese. English and all non-pro-drop languages are fucking annoying with having to restate pronouns every time you refer to something you're talking about.
>>497721001Go to a Taito after school, they all go to the Purikuras >>497721209Why not just sit down at the bar drink your drink and eat your food like a normal person? It just looks autistic seeing some boomer walking around chatting with random people around the bar and yelling A REE GAW TOE
>>497722342I always forget some katanakas, just because they're used way less. Never going to bother learning how to write those things though
>>497722589>>497722637Hey, at least it's not Chinese.
>>497722637>>497722589>>497722394False, girlfriend understands me she just says the way I speak sounds like I’m singing. They can understand you, just you sound foreign no matter what.
You don't need able to speak language or write do understand language. So anon you should just abandon idea of learning how to speak and write. You want able to read. For games, VNs, books, manga, LN, movies, anime etc.
>>497722637Still better than Chinese with their tonal roller coaster
>>497722851I want to be able to write too, but yeah I'll probably never learn how to speak well.
>>497722867>>497722829>finger gets cut off>at least its not my hand lol
>>497723008Well yeah, at least it's not your hand.
>>497722732>>497721617Oops, were you guys talking to me? Sorry, I couldn't hear you all the way over there. I got my beer and went to the other side of the thread.
>>497722323What does it even mean?
>>497715220You have to learn to write it with its proper stroke order. If you're going to learn a language, you can't skimp on something so fundamental. You're building a strong foundation for the rest of your learning.
>>497722394Sounds like bullshit to me. Pitch accent in Japanese doesn't have distinguishing words from each other to the extent of Chinese or other tonal languages where every syllable carries its own tone.You can say there's a correct/incorrect intonation for words but it doesn't mean that every incorrect intonation will make it into a different word.Just think to how many foreign accents in English you can understand, even if they for example stress the wrong syllables or use wrong vowels.
>>497723228When are you ever going to write something by hand in Japanese? I can't even remember the last time I wrote by hand in my own languages
>>497708717>playing japanese video games
>>497715361>tilted smiley face>smiley face tilted slightly harderliteral alien language
>>497723228>proper stroke orderStroke order should help with writing the characters, but some of them are just retarded, such as 左 and 右 having a different order to the first two strokes, even though it's the same thing. Chinese stroke order starts both the same way, with the horizontal stroke first.
>>497724779>alien languageThat's funny because that set of kana is literally the one used to transliterate foreign words
>>497725329>He doesn't know the first stroke's direction always matches the third stroke's direction with these
>>497725640Oh, that's interesting. I'm still going to use the Chinese order for them though.Another weird one that comes to mind that I would never use is for 必, where the most natural thing to me is to do 心 + ノ instead of starting in the middle like the Japanese order tells you to.
When learning kanji, does stroke count or stroke order really matter that much? I can't bring myself to care. It seems like learning cursive english. It's marginally useful to know but has literally no bearing on your ability to speak or read the language. It might be "proper" to learn but if I'm just going to be playing kusoge and buying porn I don't see the point.
>>497717358That's consumerism, not art
>>497708717>changing english game dub to japaneseI mean it works for some games, but it still feels odd.
>>497725329They aren't the same thing, are you blind? The up and down line isn't as long on 右 If you want to learn to actually write kanji you have to learn stroke order.Anyways, learning to write is a waste of time so who cares?
Gimme me VN recs
>>497725935>必Yeah I can't defend that monstrosity.
>>497726125Not really. It's good to know the general rules of stroke order but even the Japanese government says it's just a general guideline for teaching. Most people don't know stroke order was only set in 1958. People that say they can tell the difference between following stroke order or not have just fallen for useless orientalism. They probably don't give a shit that different cultures draw a circle in different starting positions and directions. Becoming autistic over dumb asinine shit like stroke order is just cope for the fact they can pat themselves on the back for that instead of learning more vocab or reading more.Knowing stroke number might help (and it's good to know the difference between computer / written fonts) but only insofar as it helps you look up stuff in a dictionary.
>GF is dyslexic and can't read subtitles> gets ass burgers about me watching or playing anything subbed>"it might as well not exist for me without a dub, anon.">feel guilty so almost never do anything subbed or she has a meltdown>offer to read her manga and subs.>huge meltdown. I'm "judging" her by offering to read things for her>just give up on doing things her way>she just tried to kill herself yesterday because me playing SMT Nocturne is a personal attack.Broke up with her and now I play games in the language they're intended. How was your week, anons?
>>497721103I think it's more that they get pissed at reading poor grammar and misused terms, at leastfor me that's the only time I drop it
>>497726659could you not read books either or...and browsing the internet generally also requires reading...
>>497726659t. things that never happened
>>497726659>EOP girlfriendInto the trash she goes.
>>497726892It's almost like learning languages can be hard. This is an entire thread complaining about learning Japanese
>>497708717>playing through final fantasy x in japanese>the ability to automatically sort weapons wasn't in this version and was only added to the otherswtf bros you tricked me i wasted so much time learning this language only to play the inferior versions of these games
>>497726659My partner is dyslexic and they'll pause anime to read the subtitles when there's a lot of words. I'll also translate stuff for them on screen if the translators missed it or didn't bother. Keeps me sharp when an anime ED isn't subbed and I have to explain what they're singing about. Fuck you New Game Season 2.I didn't know that dyslexia is something you can partially train to deal with so it looks like your GF was actually just lazy if she was that bad at anything subbed.Also, I didn't know this, but dyslexia can be different between languages. Someone dyslexic in English isn't necessarily dyslexic in Japanese. One of the huge barriers for dyslexic people when learning Japanese is actually the English guides on how to learn the language. The condition is really weird. Your GF unironically should have given learning Japanese a shot.
>>497721103That's because if you're an ESL you don't belong here. It's just like refugees flooding into Europe. They have a different culture. An ESL doesn't understand the culture, and is an invader which ruins the site. They also have a worse ability to have meaningful conversations. That's why most posts on 4chan now days are extremely short and are usually limited to under 30 words. ESLs are ruining this site. Just create your own site for your language and go there you absolute fucking subhuman.
>>497727451Maybe there's an international version released in Japanese?My experience with that kind of thing was trying to play FFVIII, and I discovered that none of the handy swap functions were in the Japanese version, so every time the game forced you to change characters, you had to re-junction everything manually instead of swapping everything at once.>>497726324It's about the direction of the strokes, not the length.
>>497727627>obviously a fucking /pol/tard>trying to explain to others why they don't belong herelmfao kill yourself
>>497727729ffx "international edition" has the new content from NA version plus the extra shit they added later like dark aeons, but it's got english voice acting, so i didn't want to play it.
>>497727627most posts on 4chan were always short
>>497727846So it's like MGS1/2, where the updated releases have only English VA even in the Japanese versions?
>>497727730I never ever go to /pol/ you coping faggot. ESLs are a cancer on this site, and the internet in general. For example, any modern online game is a shit show because people in the third world are way more okay with botting and other cheating. Culture heavily influences language, so even when you learn a language you are still missing a huge piece of it and your presence degrades the community.
You can do it anon. Just don't give up. Never give up.
>>497727627Thanks for the laughs. It's especially funny seeing people bitch about ESLs those times when it's like 3pm in Europe, like what do you expect lol, that there are no Europeans here?
>>497728419It would be better if there weren't.
>>497726946Text to speech software but even then she'd get shit wrong and have a temper tantrum and then blame me despite never wanting me to read stuff to her>>497727608Oh no, you don't understand. She has the worst dyslexia of all time. No one has it as bad as her and doctors can't do anything to help. She can't read at all and trying to make her is more proof of how she doesn't belong i n this cruel and hostile world. She can't get a job or contribute to society in any way and everything is someone else's fault.I'm just glad to be rid of her. She was an emotionally abusive bitch with the mind of a 14 year old girl
>>497728820I would wager that of the boards I frequent, only /asp/ has close to no posters outside the US, and it's a pretty shitty board. Then again it's a bunch of derelicts who care about pro wrestling so that probably has something to do with it
>>497728419This site would improve dramatically if we region blocked non-US IPs and banned VPNs.
>>497729671This site would improve dramatically if we implemented a kanji captcha
Post Kanji that look like what they mean. Here, I'll start: 鬱
>>497729671Americans are the most boring posters on /int/ desu
>>497729929/vint/ revival when
>>497712417>its actually the best song on the album
>>497723178https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_rateWith a fixed n, the variables X_k are letters of n-substrings in a given text document.Spoken Japanese performs really badly because of the small phonetic alphabet. Written Japanese performs really well because of kanji.
>>497729929i post my shitposts from my american proxy and my normal posts from my actual country on /int/ lest anyone
>>497729464There are loads of forced memes about grotty old English wrestlers. Lurk more.
>>497714790Tell me one game
>>497714090>muh tatesen and yokosenliteral waste of time.
>>497728419Has nothing to do with Europe vs USA. It has to do with native vs ESL. British people have more in common culturally with americans than they do with literally any culture on the continent.
>he wasted his time learning japaneseFucking lol
>>497730503>he wasted his time playing video gamesFucking lol
>>497730367Sure, there are some British people there too, but then again they aren't exactly ESL
>>497730479Yeah like their loose gun laws, driving on the left, not having a queen etc.
>>497730142> lest anyoneLest anyone what anon? ANON?
>>497731105The government and laws do not dictate the culture.
>>497729840Literally 孵る you can see the child hatching from the 卵
>>497708717>playing japooonmess gaymsI'M GONNA JAPOOOOOOOON AHHHHHHGH!!AHHHHHGGGG! I'M JAPOOOOONMING!
>>497731747go dilate you japooon tranny
>>497710514how can you say this shit while using a haman gif
>>497731215Nigga what? Yes it does. If a country laws don't allow guns it's not likely to have a booming gun culture.
>>497731659This but unironically
>>497710514RE is one of the few Japanese games I play in English. Tried playing in Japanese and it was clearly not made that way, you could tell the Japanese was integrated after as a TL of the English. Especially voice-wise. When it's a dub and not original voices, you can tell.
>>497731215What are the similarities you're thinking of? I can't think of very much, besides the language of course
>being a nigger in jewland
>>497732116>tfw no good samurai games where you can look that cool
>>497732203A sense of personal freedom, leaving people alone. Valuing the individual over the collective. Valuing the process more than the result. All things that continental Europeans do not share.
>>497729978People aren't ready for the /vint/pill. /vint/ revealed that almost every consolewar thread was created by brazilians and most blatant shitposts were by leafs.
>>497732353The UK doesn't make think of personal freedom very much, I'm not exactly sure how you're thinking of it
>>497733381Compared to Europe yes they do.
>>497733437Oops wrong image
>>497711439>recentlyIt has been a thing on /jp/ since forever, newfriend.
>>497733437In what ways?
I've been learning for 3 years and grammar still fucks me. I can only learn the most basic shit its the only problem I have learning this language. kanji is easy but fuck the grammar. I've read tae kim a bunch and look up grammar on DoJG when I don't know what it means but it just never fucking sticks. I read everyday too, I don't think I can make it bros
>>497732121You can notice it on Capcom games a lot. For games like RE, Dino Crisis, DMC, Dragon's Dogma, the Japanese versions were English VA from the start and whoever was in charge of the English script made it so that it wasn't too dry. Then you see the Japanese subtitles for those lines and suddenly all the plot-insignificant stuff that gives it some flavor is mostly gone from the Japanese subtitles. And then when they do a dub, they use those dry Japanese subs for it as well.Dragon's Dogma was especially disappointing when you expected aughtism in Japanese and got none of it.
>>497708717I'm incredibly fucking stupid, and terrible at studying. I had trouble just typing out this response. I'd like to learn Japanese, but it's never going to happen.
>>497733883You should give an example of the sort of thing that confuses you, maybe someone can break it down.
>>497734128It's not that it doesn't confuse me, like once I read what it means I understand it, it's more just that I have an extremely shitty memory and language is all about memory
>>497734256Your memory isn't that bad - Japanese just has a fuckton of things you have to remember. Try reading NHK easy news to build a solid foundation through repetition, then you can move on to the harder stuff.
Why do you guys learn Japanese? As for me, pic related. I want to go and board the famous Wee Wee Express I've heard so much about.
>>497708792I did not know that soul hackers was a ps1 game.
>>497730796>341 hoursMore than double my time. Nice job.How many new cards did you do a day? How many in that deck total?I'm only doing 7 new a day from the core6k deck. I used to do more but working full time + class + gym means I'm pretty fucked for spare time most days
>>497735320that's because you're a faggot zoomer.
>>497708792Why would you play Western games in Japanese? Japan hates Sony.
>>497735502It's the core6k deck, with retirement add-on. I did 10 cards a day for a little over a year to get through the whole deck. According to morphman i currently "know" 5300 morphemes from anki. I have 70-80 cards a day now, after finishing the new cards. I'm thinking of switching over to mining anime or games in a deck which has pitch accent coloring. I'm unemployed going to school, with mostly online classes to give you an idea of how much freetime I've had in the past 2 years.
I wanna organize a /v/ trip to Japan so we can all go to the red light district and lose our virginities together to some disgusting Jap whores.
>Want to learn Japanese>Realize every Japanese game I give two fucks about has an english patch/localization>90% of the faggots who work in Japan say it's terrible, they work tons of unpaid hours and Japanese workplace culture is shit>Question whether or not I actually want to learn it
>Playing anything but JRPGs
>>497735941Because he's japanese you idiot
>>497738901Learn it because more and more we're gonna see fucking bullshit like localizers "fixing" scripts. It's also nice not worrying about if something is gonna come west or not, you can just play it. And even in the case where it's getting a translation, you can always play it before it releases in cases where there's not a simultaneous release. Example for first and last point: Persona 5 Royal
>>497727627ESLs do have their own websites. They're just so horrendous that they try to escape them by coming here.
>>497738901You learn Japanese because you're tired of translators injecting their own bias into works to the point where the "finished" product is unrecognizable next to it's original version, ESPECIALLY in a language as contextual as Japanese.
>>497732960It's what the board needs. Too much crying about /pol/ lately. Need to open some eyes. Do it, Hiroshima.
>>497738901learning a new language is a great way to train your brain, to organize and manage vocabulary, grammar etc. There are perks from learning new things.
>>497738901You'll regret not learning the language in a few years when you could already have been fluent. If there is ever a video game or VN that you want to play and it's not translated then it's legitimately faster to learn Japanese then it is to wait for a translation team to assemble and complete the translation. Yosuga no Sora is still being translated after more than a decade. The Ar Tonelico 2 Relocalization Project went from 2009-2017. Just learn Japanese.Just don't actually go to Japan or work in Japan.
>>497719774>You mean pitch accent?There is no thing called pitch accent in linguistics. It's tones all the way through. The thing is that Japanese uses tones relying on the level of the voice (like African languages, Swedish, Serbo-Croatian, ancient Greek) instead of contours within each syllable (like Mandarin, Vietnamese, Thai or North American languages). Some languages use both (Cantonese, for instance, has 3 contour tones and 2 registers to say them in, giving you 6 tones varied by both pitch and contour), some add in accents (Mandarin places accent on certain words).
>>497741551What the fuck do you mean level of voice? Like loudness? Because that is just incorrect.
>>497741678Like in all tonal system, relative to one's standard voice range. It's not like you always have to pull off C5 or no one will understand you.In standard Japanese, most people listen for a drop in your voice.
>>497742224Are there really people who don't know 海綿体 in the current year? It's probably the word I use most daily.
>南斗鳳凰拳奥義天翔十字鳳Why the fuck is this allowed?
>he doesn't google translate /v/ into japanese to immerse himself
>>497742561You'd have to be retarded to do that. Futaba/5ch is the way to go. Or at least use the blogs where peeps translate and comment on 4chan threads.
>>497742681>Or at least use the blogs where peeps translate and comment on 4chan threads.links?
>>497742224I prefer the phrase「チンポが®なる」(*´Д｀*)Hopefully it doesn't fuck up the word between ga and naru, but just in case it does it's HARD
>start playing dmc5>shit's tight and the guys sound alright>then the hillbilly lady opens her mouth>changes voices from english to japanese
>Can now understand plenty of Gaming and Manga Dialogue after 5 years of learning Totally worth it.
>tried learning japanese a year and a half ago>quit because it took way too long>start again recently realizing i'd be at an intermediate level if i just kept it upyou can do it anon, just start now
>>497742490You're joking, right?>南斗Literally the easiest part. If you fail here, you shouldn't even be reading HnK.>鳳凰One of the easiest mythical names out there, you see it once and you know it forever.>拳Literally the motif of the series.>奥義Easiest word in the world.>天翔You might struggle here if you're a complete brainlet.>十字鳳It's both a call back to 鳳凰, and the most basic shape a person can make, the classical T-pose.
>>497742760Throw in 海外反応 with 4chan into google and you'll get a good bunch.
>>497742490>not loving chuuni strings of kanji
>haven't studied in a month
>>497743190then now is a good time than any.
>>497742490>has 振り仮名>still criesNigga please.>>497742923Over exaggeration doesn't help either.
>>497743190You may as well quit if you don't have motivation.
>>497742923>You're joking, right?Of course. Having an autistic amount of kanji slapped together always makes me laugh.>>497743074I'd never thought of it like that. I can definitely picture some school kid coming up with a super move called the Southern Star Phoenix Fist Hidden Technique: Soaring Cross Phoenix
>>497743313I'm really not over exaggerating, this shit is written for kids and it's pretty much exclusively very simple Japanese. People just see 20 kanji in a row and freak out because they don't instantly break that shit down into chunks in their heads, because they don't know where one word ends and the next one begins due to lack of knowledge.
>>497743437Hokuto no ken is for teens and young adults tho. And you are being very 4chan jpl thready.
Is it true when they say its harder for ppl that has english as their native tongue to learn and speak japanese?
>>497733909Noticed on some konami games as well. Played symphony of the night in Japanese and the intro text was in English with a Japanese voice slapped on top.
>>497743706Yes, but that doesn't mean much. It is mostly about pronunciation anyway. So if you aren't stupid yankee, go ahead.
>24 cards due tomorrowBros how am I going to make this?
>>497743706Pronunciation wise, other languages like Spanish and Portuguese have an easier time than English. As far as understand grammar structure goes, most western tongues should be on equal grounds.
>>497708717i only put english when i know there's not gonna be subtitles for most of the dialogues, especially background chatter
>>497743838>As far as understandUnderstating, even. It's 6 am I need to go to bed.
>>497743706Sure, Japanese is considered the hardest language due to the unfamiliar grammar, completely different writing system, and the general lack of common words.This is changing, though. Japanese today has a huge amount of English loanwords, and although a significant proportion wind up being misleading, they still make the language a bit easier. I'd say within 50 years, it'll be downgraded so that Chinese is considered the hardest language, because they really don't use English loanwords at all.The reality, of course, is that Japanese is also the easiest language to learn if you're here. I could never, in a million years, learn French. Not because it's difficult or would take a lot of time, but because I'd blow my brains out after a day or two.
>>497743806It's fucking over for me.
>>497743954Just limit it to the amount that won't burn you out.Anki is assist tool, not your main learning tool.
>>497743954This is what failure looks like. Do your best anon. It's not over yet.
>>497743901Noticing this trend of people who live in Japan having this uncontrollable urge to let others know about it on 4chan. Anyway, any language is easiER to learn if you're immersed. Japanese is not the only one and neither is it the easiest.
Been playing Sakura Wars 1 lately, and man this game is so ahead of it's time. Based translators.
>>497743706For me, yes, but only because I have a speech impediment. But others that don't can easily nail it with a bunch of pronunciation practice and basic drills.
>>497744078>This is what failure looks likeNo this just looks like you dropped anki. Who's to say you're not reading several hours a week? Anki is but one method and the way I see it, it's not even the main tool in its own path.
>>497709791la creatura americana...
>>497744078Really. Just limit it to like 50 per day. You have all the time in the world, and if you try to read anything as your main practice, you learn words way faster.I still use anki after years tho. Because some words are kind of rare. I have almost 2000 words on my mining deck. But I have grinded them for so long that daily I get only 10-30 words from both of my decks in total.
>>497743954That's literally a couple of hours. Is the next week or two going to suck? Yes. But it's either that, or you quit for good.
How does one learn Japanese and what the fuck is anki?
>>497744113I don't live in Japan, why the fuck would anyone live in Japan? I just enjoy their entertainment.
>>497744129>But others that don't can easily nail it with a bunch of pronunciation practice and basic drills.Nobody is saying it's undoable so I don't see the point of you saying this. People are saying English natives have a harder time compared to some other western languages.
>>497744241information flashcards so you learn and practice characters
>>497744241Grind hiragana and katakana to your memory.Then start reading some basic grammar book like Tae Kim's (waiting for that one retard to cry now).Anki is a program that works as flashcards but it keeps schedule when you should review the card again. Like new cards, if you always answer "good", jumps first 1 day -> 2 days - 4days - 7 days, etc. There is also "again" that resets it to tomorrow, hard, that increases the review interval with only a bit, and easy that increases the interval by a lot.
>>497744241>How does one learn JapaneseYou get to a basic level through rote memorisation and spaced repetition, and then you learn it the way you learn any language, by consuming compelling content until you know everything there is to know because you looked up every word you didn't know and couldn't infer from context. Anki is a spaced repetition system, it's pure jank to set up but you only have to do it a couple of times.
I'm ESL, I dont wanna start learning a 3rd language until I speak English like it's my mother tongueAnd my written grammar for it is terrible
>>497744241>ankiFlashcard software used to practice vocabulary >learnLearn kana, it can take anything from a day to a week depening Read Tae Kim or Genki depending on what you preferSimitanously start 2k/6k anki deckWhen you're done with Tae Kim/Genki you start to read manga/vns/games or whatever suits you
>>497744440The truth is that you never will. If you can shitpost here, you are ready to learn another language.
>>497744479I would recommend light novels. Manga is probably the easiest to start, but all these "anime" media can be a bit hazardous to use as the base how you speak.
>>497744492I feel like if I cant master an easy language as English I'm hopeless for Japanese
>>497744569LNs aren't real Japanese either, buddy. Watch variety shows with public interviews.
>>497744584japanese is easier than english. it's literally a caveman language
>>497744631Anime and LN japanese are better than actual business japanese.
>>497744241Was going to write out a whole schedule for you, but >>497744479 covered it very well. Learn your kana, then use Tae Kim or Genki while going core 2k in anki (I think 6k has too many unnecessary or outdated words when you're just trying to build a basic vocab). If you want another textbook after Genki to help with grammar, grab Tobira. Then just read what you want - NHK Easy News, children's manga, vidya, etc.Some people like to study kanji too, while others just learn it as they learn vocab. If you want to do individual kanji study, try to just learn one or two words to associate with the kanji (which can help you learn vocab faster) and maybe the main reading (you'll get the hang of readings as you learn more vocab). Don't try to learn everything about the character.
>>497744631Depends on LN. Variety shows are okay.I like to watch streams too, but it is hard to find anyone interesting.
>>497744650Why japanese isn't the global language?
>>497715754Thats pretty good bait
>>497744827Could be because it's a high contextual.
>>497744415>>497744427>>497744479>>497744761I'll do my best. One question: why do japs need so many fucking alphabets?
>>497711769Correct answer right here. I speak French, English and Japanese and the rare occasion the game is by a French (Furi, Dead Cells, OFF) team that’s how I play it.
>>497716491The Nihongi is good.Musashi is also good.And thats me picking low hanging fruit.
>>497730379Any Hideo Kojima game
>not understanding a single word of japanese>insist on JAP VO be included in games and if available, choose them every single timeAny thoughts on this behaviour?
>>497745012>One question: why do japs need so many fucking alphabets?Because without kanji, Japanese would be close to unintelligible. And that's the only one that takes more than an hour to learn anyway.
>3,000 kanji lettersfuck off, why can't humans just communicate with echolocation at this point
>>497745012Because originally they were basically cavemen, and then they stole chinese writing system from the traders. But inserted their own language on the kanji, sometimes the bastardized version of chinese pronunciation.Then later they wanted to make it easier so they created hiragana.
>>497745103>in japan being VA is enough to make living>in west it isn'tNow, why would this be, and what it implies?
>>497745103>insist on JAP VO be included in games and if available, choose them every single timeIf it's a en release of a nip game then that's perfectly reasonable. If people are playing japanese versions of english releases that's just autistic. Dubs bad applies to all dubs, not just en over jp dubs.
>>497716615No, the heritage of amaterasu (if even real) was lost long ago. Even so, if it were true, the emperor would be a kami at best
Since we're on a topic about Japanese, how fast can you guys type in that language? After many years of learning and typing, I expected to be the same speed I am in English, but still type really slow.
>>497745308I still haven't even set it up, so my "typing speed" is the time it takes to enter the individual syllables in jisho.
>>497745134I can't read JP at all but I'm making progress with the spoken tongue.That shit is easy compared to the runes.
Two advanced japanese redpills :>”Nips only use joyo kanji anyway” is a fucking lie if you’re reading anything beyond baby shit>Rendaku is the biggest obstacle standing between you and reading fluently and no one ever talks about it
>>497745247this is an elder god level of insight on this matter
>>497745103Nothing wrong with this. I play Stalker in Russian and I barely understand anything except a few words similar to my main language.
>>497745397>”Nips only use joyo kanji anyway” is a fucking lie if you’re reading anything beyond baby shitIt's true if you're reading newspapers, which is what most guides are aimed at.>Rendaku is the biggest obstacle standing between you and reading fluently and no one ever talks about itRendaku is the easiest shit ever and it took me about 5 minutes to grasp it.
>you are close to being 30>you have not learned japaneseImagine, if you stuck with it. For ten years you could have learned and mastered the language. Why did you quit? Why did you never even start? Just imagine how amazing it would be right now, if you pulled through...
>>497745308Slow as fuck, try out the original Typing of the Dead or the JP exclusive Typing of the Dead 2 (based on HotD3) if you want a laugh.
im glad i came to japan while im young. when i leave, i will never look back
>>497745517I hit 24 and fell for the "learning a language gets harder after 25" meme, so I decided to start up again. 4 years on, I can read and watch pretty much anything I want to.
>>497745463>learning nip to read newspapersI bet you enjoy plain toast for breakfast>i learned rendaku in 5 minutesYou haven’t read enough to know those rules are bullshit that only work in 70% of the cases, then (which is barely better than guessing at random)
>>497716476I played a bit of the PS3 port of of P3rd recently. The tutorial guy is great. Mostly have been trying out untranslated PS1 stuff lately though.
>>497745247Depends on director and voice actors though.Thinking that dub is bad by default is brainlet tier.But it is clear that west doesn't give much fuck about quality.
>>497745308Depends. I am not good at making complex sentences even after 4 years. But most things you would say in daily conversation, I can write pretty fast.
>>497745605It is weird how that got any wind. 25 is where the brain usually is at its most mature stage. It doesn't affect learning, but after 25 your reaction speed etc can start to deteriorate.
About 4-5 years to be fluent, but how long until I can watch da anymays without subs???
>>497745617連濁 is easy shit tho.
>>497708717i dunno i liked Recettear's translation
>>497745967Just answered your own question bud.
>>497745967You can do that whenever you want son. I've only been studying for a year and a half and I watched Blood-C without subs and got what was going on, even though i didn't understand everything.
>>497744827because they lost WWII
>>497745967These x years to y are silly. It all depends on your innate ability to learn and how much you practice per day.Some say they can do this after a year, for some it takes many years. I was able to watch anime pretty well after 2 years, but it really depends on the anime too. Something like naruto's vocab is nowhere near texhnolyze's.
>>497744113>Noticing this trend of people who live in Japan having this uncontrollable urge to let others know about it on 4chanWhen I wrote here, I meant 4chan, dummy.
>>497745397>RendakuHuh, TIL I picked up Rendaku without even knowing what it was or reading up on it. Doesn't take a genius to notice the pattern.
>You may have predicted that the opposite of “You must not do” would use 「いける」 or 「なる」 because they look like the positive version of 「いけない」 and 「ならない」. However, 「いけない」 and 「ならない」 must always be negative, so this is not correct. In actuality, we still use the same 「だめ/いけない/ならない」 and use the opposite of the verb that goes in front of it instead. This double negative can be kind of confusing at first but you will get used to it with practice. There are three ways to conjugate the verb before adding 「だめ/いけない/ならない」 and two of them involve conditionals so aren’t you glad that you just learned conditionals in the previous section?>not notwhat a stupid language
>>497716963Nice cherry picking fagaloon
>>497744827Because they couldn't conquer the world militarily, nor economically.Fun fact, a lot of the learning materials for Japanese are where they are because even the Anglosphere invested mad bucks to get their businessmen fluent in Japanese during the 80s boom to get an edge over the rest of the world.
>>497746302Wait until you find out about how common なければならない is or run into your first triple negative in the wild
>>497746302English has double negative too.
>>497746302English also has double negatives whether you like it or not.
>>497721406No you are incorrect, unless the person is living by themselves. Going home to familia in America and speaking your native language is not an "English Environment" period. Using Brasil as an example really did you in, as Western European countries and their residents are taught more than one (or two) languages and one is typically English, THAT is learning English as a "foriegn" language. Furthermore the first language a child learns actually impacts their development, the language is "native" to them and always will be.So, if English is not their native languange, it is ESL. You can replace 2nd but never first.
>try reading Jojolion raws, because you need to catch up anyways>half a panel dedicaed to talking about fucking pancakes
>>497746635I read Golden Wind raw. I know your pain anon.
>>497746635That's when you learn the valuable that you don't need to read every single bubble/textbox. Everytime a character starts talking about food, that's an insta-skip for me. Saves so much time. I don't learn a lot of food vocab, but since I always skip food-shit, I don't need to.
エクサムは同社公式サイトにおいて,2020年2月末をもって全業務を休止すると発表した。進行中の開発業務や運営,製品サポートについては,TEAM ARCANAに移管されるとのこと。公式サイトでは休止告知のほか,アーケードゲームおよび格闘ゲームの発展に関して一定の役割を果たせたことを自負する旨と,それを支えたプレイヤーおよび関係者への感謝の意が記されている。エクサムは,2007年3月に創業されたゲームメーカー。代表的なタイトルは2D格闘ゲーム「アルカナハート」シリーズで,そのほか「AQUAPAZZA -AQUAPLUS DREAM MATCH-」や「ニトロプラス ブラスターズ -ヒロインズ インフィニット デュエル-」といった美少女系の2D格闘ゲームや,ハローキティなどのサンリオキャラクターを起用した料理ゲーム「まほうのエプロン」シリーズで知られる。RIP
>>497746635>3 more weeks until best chapter in the partcan't wait
>>497746593>tfw not ESL because I learned how to speak english by myself when I was 8
>want to read some raw manga to help my learning>realize I have no idea where to go to find raws
>>497722589>the portugese are some of the very first non-asian/mongrul to inhabit Japan.They were Jesuits
>>497746869Have you torrented anime at least once in your life?
>>497746869Maya has plenty of raw manga to torrent
>>497746869*unzips pants* I'll give you something RAW
>>497746869https://loveheaven.net/ (Run an ad blocker + some old chapters got holocausted when their image host banned them, so you'll have to search google to find them)And there's a bunch on the /djt/ website's library at https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/ .
>>497746738>「ニトロプラス ブラスターズ -ヒロインズ インフィニット デュエル-」god I fucking hate katakana
>>497747117But that was easy to read. Maybe because I have read too much 中二病 stuff.
>>497747179It's not hard to read, just annoying because engrish. I'd rather it be a string of chuuni kanji instead of that shit.
>>497742832>watching JoJo subbed>Polnareff meets Hol Horse>Hol Horse, visually, most closely, depicts an American Cowboy>sub has good use of "yer, ya'll, fixin, varmit etc">"My stand is a shooter">"You mean like in marbles?"Good jokeWatch a different sub same scene>Hol speaks dictionary proper english>"My stand is a shooter">"More like a pea-shooter"It completely changed the tone of the encounter.
>>497746849Oops perhaps i forgot "MAYBE if a person lives abroad, alone" but that was the layman explanation.
>>497708717>playing Finnish games in English
>>497745397>not having consonant gradation in your first languageSame shit.
>>497726154Nice buzzword, faggot.
>>497749167>playing English games in Finnish
>>497747117>katakanaI'm fine with katakana until lots of the smaller ones are involved, then it becomes a headache to read
>completely stops you from ever trying to learn japanese again
>>497752571Can I get a quick rundown on this?
>>497754267a common beginner recommendation so it's the first vn they try to snail throughpeople also complain about it being boring
>>497735941None of those games are western...
>>497752571I finished that.
>>497730796>>497735502what are you doing, spending more than 20 minutes a day on fucking anki? You should read/play more instead
Romanji is the only way to learn japanese
What does P活 mean?
>>497756065romanji welcome to the jungle?
>>497755616Yeah, I'll read some LNs to apply my Japanese knowledge, how to say 1-5 things and the 1st to 5th day I'm sure I'll figure out the rest through context!
>>497756065Obviously. "Hōō o oōze!"
>>497756124パパ活 aka: Sugar Daddy
>>497756382It a sex thing?
>>497756124>Sugar daddy without the sugarHoly shit Jap men are pathetic... is what I would say if Twitch thots wasn't a profitable business in the west.>>497756286Just don't stick around on Anki too long. Get Core VN from the itazura website and start trying to read smol baby shit once you hit like 500 words. I don't recommend Core2k until afterwards, because Core2k is made by frequency of use from the newspaper so you'll get dumb shit you'll never need like 輸入 before you get critical Japanese words like 中出し. Yes, you'll have to look up lots of words as you're reading. Welcome to learning a language.
>>497756286>days studied: 229, 499that's like riding the tricycle to work. There's absolutely no excuse, anki is horribly inefficient compared to actual PRACTICE at some point. Though mining decks are alright, 47 fucking minutes a day shows you're doing something wrong.
>>497756440No it's a cooking thing.
For all its problems the voiceacting of Zero Time Dilemma was ok
>>497756440>P活(=パパ活)とは、食事やデートで「お小遣い」をくれるパパ的な存在の男性を探す活動のことです。>援助交際との違いは肉体関係を持たずにお小遣いをもらうところでThere's no sex involved.
>>497735502>>497755616you are like babies
>>497747117>Nitoropurasuburasutaazu hiroinzuinfinittodiueruSo what does it say? I see a nitro plus breasts(?) hero infinite something
>>497757002Nitro Plus Blasters Heroines Infinite Duel
>>497757662look up JK business>whyasia is based and west is cucked
>tfw you never ever used Anki, RTK, Tae Kim, never practice kanji on a daily/weekly basis and you're N2I have no idea of how I managed that.
>>497715361That's nothing, trust me
>>497758063You're a severely retarded Japanese child?
>>497756703>There's no sex involved.You're delusional. パパ活 is just the new name for enko.
>start watching ロケみつ on a recommendation>can't understand much but have fun watching it anyway>head gets filled with lewd thoughts about the host>bust multiple nuts to the two JAV parodies that existThis language has only made me more of a coomer
>>497758448Did you not read the text I posted right above that? Literally the second line starts with "the difference between this and enjou kousai is..." If you're fuckin for that cash, it's enko. If you're just hanging out with papa-san and makin' him feel loved, it's pkatsu. Gonna take a guess that a lot of the latter turn into the former, though./
>>497758640give some codes
>>497758640Never heard of that. What they do?
>>497758771You do know illegal and shady things have corrupted words before to hide their existence from prying eyes?It may have started as relatively innocent, but it is the same shit now.I hope you don't think japs only use tinder for friends. Because that was only for the few first weeks it hit japan.
>>497758880Get naked and conduct various sexual acts on film in a variety of scenarios. It stands for Japanese Adult Video as the sexual content is intended just for adults.
>>497758771All of the latter turn into the former, even back when enko was the name for it all the amateur whores pretended they weren't actually fucking for money. It's all about saving face. When enko started becoming mainstream and being known as something that whores do, they all just started calling it something different so they could have an excuse.
>>497758963>I hope you don't think japs only use tinder for friendsYou mean all those Japanese women on tinder I met don't want to be my friend?
>>497758963If you go on tinder now you'll still find lots of people looking for "friends". It's all bullshit. Maybe if you go way deep into the countryside you'll find someone who gets legitimately annoyed at a "wanna fuck?" opener, but all 99% of them are doing is trying not to look easy.
>>497758963>shady thingsit's not shady you ignorant mutt, they are legit registered, tax paying businesses that have parlors all over akiba for example
>>497758797BCPV-061 and IPTD-859It's funny because people though they were shooting a JAV when filming the actual show>>497758880It's a travel show where a girl cosplays as Asuka and gets her budget set by how many comments she gets on her blog multiplied by 0.1, 1, or 10. Usually this means she gets completely fucked and has a budget of a few hundred yen. You feel bad for her when she's basically homeless, but sometimes people take pity on her and let her stay the night or buy her some food.
>>497758967Oh. Okay.But what about the ロケみつ?
>>497758963>I hope you don't think japs only use tinder for friends.People use Tinder for friends?? What the fuck? Is it not literally marketed as a hook up app?
>>497759108I am not american though. And it is still shady whether it is legal or not. Lmao.
>>497759108Soaplands and shit all have rules, and the big one is "no paying for sex". You can pay for blowjobs, you can pay for paizuri, you can pay to fuck some chick's thighs, and you can even pay for anal. But you can't pay for penis in vagina sex legally.
>>497759113Sounds pretty funny. I'll try to remember it.
>>497759162Japs actually used it only to find friends or gaijins to teach them english for few first weeks. I guess the tourists raped too many, and now it is purely for sex in there too.
>>497759187>>497759257look some shit up before replying to me again, what do you gain by trying to talk about something you don't know anything about?
>>497759357But I am right, and you haven't given a single argument. Not like it would change the truth.I bet you don't even know japanese.
Fuck you, Valkyrie Chronicles has the toonami guy, the good Kazuhira voice actor, and Raiden to name a few of the English cast
>>497759346I guess that it would make sense that purity image obsessed nips would use it for "friends">>497714090Never learned radicals and holy shit, you're right. Just realized that VN I'm dick deep in, I actually don't understand a word of it! And to think, it's all because I don't know what the lines in 鬱 "mean".
>>497759425I'm reading Zipang at this moment, what about you?
I DID MY REPS TODAY
>>497759783>I breathed todayYes, and?START READING, DEKINAI
>>497759948Manga etc doesn't count. Unless you plan to talk with only lolis.
>>497759948i still can't read the mangoes i want to read............they're also physical so looking up words is a bit hard and slow.
>>497760028>Unless you plan to talk with only lolis.This is why I watch JAV
>>497760028>Unless you plan to talk with only lolis.Do you not?
>>497760254I need to first persuade their parents. I am not a rapist. :^)
should I even bother with a kanji deck for anki or do I just do core2k?
>>497760327This is why parents teach their kids there that foreigners are dangerous
>>497760548Just do vocab. Use VNcore first (you can find it on the itazuraneko site posted earlier in the thread) then move onto core2k and your own mined deck after.
>>497760585But if you trick the parents first..
>>497760667thanks.any tips on configuring anki? like for example how many new cards per day?
>>497760836Nice projection.Come back when you can read a book.
>>497760857Turn off max reviews and that's about it for options. Don't use 2 or 4 (Hard/Easy), always 1 or 3 (Again/Good). Make sure you look up how to use proper Japanese fonts in Anki, especially since they forced everyone onto the latest version that decided to default to Chinese fonts instead for some stupid fucking reason. And setting up a mining deck is on the Itazura page as well
>>497760929>projectionkek, stick to your OCR text hook babby jp VNs
>>497761396You do realise that VNs aren't OCR, right? Text hooking isn't OCR.
>>497761396Word salad. I don't even know what OCR is. Some cruches for projecting dekinai like you?
>>497761064>Make sure you look up how to use proper Japanese fonts in Ankigot any links for that?
>>497761538>dekinai>projectingI don't wanna flex but since you keep insisting, >>497760836 I can read 90% of this without looking up anything, how about you? ^_^
>>497761617I don't have a specific link and this thread'll probably time out before I can find a good one. Just google something like "anki update messed up japanese font" or something like that and I'm sure you'll find threads of people bitching about it.
>>497761704>^_^I rest my case. I go back reading 石黒 一雄's book soon.
>>49776170490%? That's really embarrassing, dude. Why would you brag about having 90% comprehension?I feel bad for you. I could understand if you didn't know a name like 石原莞爾中佐 on there, but jesus, 90%? A 12 year old could do better than that.
>>497761704>>497761967>>497762001what are your motivations for entering threads full of fledgling dekinais and playing with your dicksthe /jp/ thread was supposed to contain you people
thank god this thread is dying
>>497762186I am only bullying this retard dekinai who tries to fling his microdick around.
>>497762186If you have a question to ask, feel free buddy.