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http://www.gamespot.com/features/the-dangers-of-gamer-entitlement-6350732/?cpage=2

>The attack on Jennifer Hepler, which continues with a consistent, unrelenting, and deep-set conviction not unlike religious fervor, points to an escalating manifestation of gamer entitlement, the idea that gamers have the right to do and say without suffering the consequences of their actions.

>Hepler has been called "cunt", "slut", and "whore". She's been criticized for her gender, her appearance, and her religion. Attacks on her have referenced Hitler, bestiality, rape, murder, cannibalism, and prostitution.

>pig disgusting fetishes.
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>>130570808
>>130570808
>>130570808
>MFW Reddit got blamed.
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They are right really.

I know this is /v/ and everything but some of the folks here are pretty sad.
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>gamer entitlement

Why the fuck does this term exist?

Also, note how they dodge the real issue about her shitty writing
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>implying /v/ isn't a bunch of entitled fucksticks
>implying /v/ doesn't act like a bunch of religious zealots who band together and burn the heretics
>implying this isn't a fucking witch hunt
>implying this thread hasn't been posted a billion times already

FUCK OFF
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>>130570875
>Pretty Sad
>Judging people on 4chan
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>>130571012
>Witch hunt

What?
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>Spend hundreds of dollars buying consoles/upgrading PCs
>Buy games which are $60 brand new
>Someone is trying to fuck with your expensive hobby
>You call them out on their shit
>HURR GAMERS ARE ENTITLED, STOP TELLING US WE'RE SHIT

The gaming industry is like a fucking stroppy child.
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>>130570964
There is such a thing as gamer entitlement, however once devs and their supporters start using it as a flimsy excuse for publishing poor content that was developed in complete ignorance of what makes a game quality, how are they supposed to expect consumers to not be upset if they don't want this kind of trend to be everywhere? It's disgusting how people are insulting Hepler in this way but the way she is being defended is disgusting too. There needs to be something more constructive so we can have better games.
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>>130571285
I fail to see how a witch hunt has any relevance to this.
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>>130571087
>i don't know anything about history
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>>130571340

that's because you fail to know what a witch hunt is
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>>130571228
Exactly, all we are asking for is value for our money and not get price gouged for every single little thing.
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>>130571379
I do know, but i see a really flimsy connection if one at all.

You think Bioware is going to hunt us down or some shit?
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>>130571430
>value for our money

I hope you buy your games then because otherwise your point is insta-invalid.
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>>130571468
You have it wrong. He's referring to how we're just using her as a scapegoat for all of the problems with the industry and trying to ruin/kill her because of it

I still disagree with him
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>>130571468
>hurrrrrrr

the witch hunt is against hepler. hearsay spreads like wildfire and before you know it everyone is a raging lunatic bombing her with their fanaticism.

not that I support her considering the things we know she did say.
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It's not that they are whiteknighting helper, it's just that /v/ has already taken this shit too far, it was funny at the beggining and everyone had a few laughs, but now it's just pathetic how much effort and attention you guys put over such a mundane thing.
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>>130571340
it's because of her jewish chakra.
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>>130571598
>>130571596
My mistake I apologize.
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>>130570964

>gamer entitlement
>Why the fuck does this term exist?

It was created fanboys who acknowledge that companies often treat them like little more than a number, but at the same time, don't demand the best possible quality from said company.

It's been used by fanboys for a while now. Most recently Capcom fanboys. This is the first time I've seen a so called "journalist" using it though.
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>>130571610
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How does she know she has a vagina?
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All we are doing is making her the victim.

Bioware will NEVER fire her now. We fucked up. We should have taken a higher ground and appealed to Bioware and any remaining hardcore gamers working there. Instead we cemented her place in the industry.
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>>130571012
my nigga. /v/ isn't even going after the right catalyst for their hatred, Gaider.
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I can't stop laughing.
>pig disgusting fetishes
Oh man.
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>>130570808
>Reddit takes the fall

Why does this make me so happy?
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>>130571828
It's too late now, plus the problem isn't really her, its the shift in attitude from the company itself.
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>>130571828
>implying anyone cares about the future of Bioware
The more they fuck up their games the better. It's hilarious.
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>>130571012
Actually i would say that /v/ is more like Ishmael.
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>>130571821
What's /a/ doing in there.
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>>130571947
This, the time of new substantial games coming from them is past.
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>>130572068
S-s-sorry.
I can go.
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She is a bad writer, but bad writing has always been the norm of the video game industry. As the market becomes more mainstream, the general quality has dropped, which has been the trend for books, movies, television, radio, and all other forms of creative, consumed media.

The attacks on her have always been overboard and misdirected when the real problem is with the company itself (EA or Bioware, pick your poison).
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>>130570808
Did they mention her claiming people are jealous because she has a vagina and a vidya game industry job?

Cause if not, the article is pretty one-sided. She's acting like a bitch, so they should call her out on it as well.
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>>130572009
>Ishmael
>from moby dick
>Hunting Whales
>Hamburgar Hepler is a fat whale

subtle, i like it.
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That fucking jew deserves a special treatment.
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>>130572203
>Tfw when Kyon chose Haruhi
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>UPDATE: BioWare CEO and cofounder Dr. Ray Muzyka responded to the attacks on Hepler overnight, donating US$1000 to Bullying Canada in her name.

Wow... just wow.
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I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question.

Is a gamer not entitled to the games of the developers?
'No!' says the man in Activision, 'They belong to the stockholder.'
'No!' says the man in the Electronic Arts, 'They belong to the casuals.'
'No!' says the man in Ubisoft, 'They belong to our DRM servers.'

I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible.

I chose... /v/!

A board where the critic would not fear the censor, where the pirate would not be bound by petty morality, where the real gamer would not be constrained by popular opinion!

And with your entitlement of games, /v/ can become your board as well.
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Here's the problem. Here's why you people are being called "Entitled";

There's this thing you can do to make this whole problem go away. This thing you can do that's REALLY REALLY EASY and it solves all your problems.
Are you ready for this?
It's called NOT FUCKING BUYING THEIR GAMES.
You're spared a bad game, completely free from the influence of Hepler's bad writing, and if enough people share your sentiment, Bioware doesn't make money, and she gets laid off. And look! No shitposting required.

But no. it's not actually about buying a product, it's about feeling superior to somebody else. And heaven forbid we NOT play a AAA title, regardless of how shitty it might be! That's just unthinkable! THAT is where the 'entitled' part comes in. Because you'd rather shitpost about a shitty writer, than not play a bad game. Even if doing so causes you emotional fucking duress.
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>>130572203
Don't act all dere-dere on me slut.
We all know you are sending the newfaggots over here.

Fuck off back to /a/, don't ever come back.
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>UPDATE: BioWare CEO and cofounder Dr. Ray Muzyka responded to the attacks on Hepler overnight, donating US$1000 to Bullying Canada in her name.

Wow... just wow.
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>This week, a small subset of the gaming community humiliated, defiled, and verbally attacked a female BioWare employee for the suggestion that video games should place more importance on narrative.

>The attack on Jennifer Hepler, which continues with a consistent, unrelenting, and deep-set conviction not unlike religious fervor, points to an escalating manifestation of gamer entitlement

man Laura Parker really used the crap out of her thesaurus huh? look at all those adjectives, i also like how she says small subset of gamers to try and trivialize what this shit is really about
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>>130572424
>It's called NOT FUCKING BUYING THEIR GAMES

i've been doing that for years
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>>130572334
I don't mind. She's my waifu so I can comfort her.
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>>130571661
erm... what you just defined isn't 'entitlement'

It's obvious in this context the journo is stating that the 'gamers' feel entitled to have whatever their 'preferences' are as the guiding (over-riding everyone one elses') element in the developing story/game in the Mass Effect franchise.

Basically most casual gamers dont give a shit about whats in the game, then you have the 'gamers' taking things far too seriously in something thats supposed to be light entertainment and get all emotionally unstable because things don't go the way they want it to.

Stop being little bitches and deal with it.
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>>130572359

Sounds like a great plan, Mr. Ryan! Considering your reputation, I'm sure it'll be a terrific success!
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>>130572424
>It's called NOT FUCKING BUYING THEIR GAMES

They would then go and say that the RPG is dead and abandon the genre alltogether then proceed to making shooters and dating sims.
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>>130572359
I like this post.
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>>130572493
>Oh shit, she actually makes good points! Better attack her writing style in lieu of an actual counter-argument.

dur hur
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YOU WANT MAKE VIDEO GAME?

YOU WANT HAMBURGER BITCH?
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>dem comment
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>>130572568
And not pirating them either. That still shows a developer/publisher there is interest in the product.

No playing it whatsoever. Completely ignore it. Pretend it doesn't exist. That's what I'm getting at.
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>>130572424

Go join a feminist rally or something. This kind of shit has happened before, countless times and it never made the front page of dozens of internet "journalist" sites. The only reason this is getting attention is because the target is a woman this time. A poor, fragile, defenseless woman that we all need to jump to the defense of, because women are precious things and need to be protected at all costs. That's how all these writers are looking at this. I didn't see ANY articles talking about how shameful we were acting when we were all jumping on Stanley Woo's balls for being asian, but when we "attack" a female suddenly it's a horrendous scandal that the world needs to know about.

Fuck white knights. They're the reason feminists go beyond equality and think they can get away with having woman elevated above men.
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>>130572717
Wow. You people are fucking retarded, aren't you?

Buy the good games.

COMPLETELY IGNORE THE BAD GAMES.

This is how good games get made. It's basic supply and demand. Business 101. Come on now! Don't tell me you're that stupid!
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>>130572424
>It's called NOT FUCKING BUYING THEIR GAMES.

Yes. I stopped long ago. Many others did too.
Didn't change anything. Games got worse, actually.
It's like watching a dying horse. You just want it to end, but some Idiot keep pumping painkillers into it. And so it lies with four broken legs for years now on the ground while people still pay money to ride it.

I just don't get it anymore.
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>>130572662
the way people write IS important especially when they try to twist shit.

> a female BioWare employee for the suggestion that video games should place more importance on narrative

this shit right here, it doesnt tell the whole story, there's nothing about skipping combat altogether or a de-emphasis on actual gameplay. this kind of crap is why game journalism is in the shitter.
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>>130572424
didn't read lol
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>>130572879
>implying same shit couldn't happen in actual journalism

Come on, twisting the facts is a popular practice. Doesn't make it a good thing, though.
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PUPAMECRIRESCEEX
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things like this make me ashamed to visit this site.
It probably started because someone made a joke/sarcarstic remark/attempt to create a meme about this random female bioware employee, the typical uneducated fucked up bored /v/ kid didn't get it and suddenly there's a racist, hateful, pointless shitstorm.

why are people so fucking stupid.
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I am now imagining a child trying to ride a horse with 4 broken legs lying on the ground screaming. Thank you.
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Oh look, it's this thread again
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>letting people who know nothing about you bother you

I thought people learned to ignore that bullshit in middle school? If someone doesn't know you personally, how could you be bothered by their insults since they're not based on truth?

People shouldn't be threatening her or calling her fat or whatever, but no way should a professional company be taking this nonsense seriously.
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You know something /v/?

When friends of mine - who have played video games much longer than I have, more intensively than I have (who are you kidding, I'm on /v/), and with more dedication than I have tell me that they like TOR or Dragon Age II, you know what it makes me?

Not mad. Sad.

And not for them. For you. For this board. For games which may deserve a little more credit than you give them. For the culture here that fosters unquestioning hatred toward any and all games that don't conform to your impossible goals.

I miss when games were about having a good time and overlooking faults, as all old games had in tremendous bulk. I miss laughing off games for their wonky controls or silly dialogue. I miss deriving happiness from even the most unlikely places.

I miss these dubs. no but really /v/ it's kind of a shame
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You should all be fucking ashamed
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>>130572928
That fucking image always makes me laugh
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>>130572620
You won't be disappointed!

Let me just move the servers for our new board to the ocean... right... there.

Perfect!

Now, let's start a nice discu- WHAT THE FUCK WHO PUNCHED A HOLE IN THE ARGLBLARGLBAGLRGLABLRGLALRGL-
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>>130573032
We still have a good time, if you don't like it here, kindly fuck off.
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If you are upset about DA2, Laidlaw and Gaider are probably better targets then Hepler.

Face it, she's just a scapegoat.
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>>130572424

We stopped buying a while agoe, however the
retards have not. This the main problem with
'voting with your wallet', it means jack shit when
the target market is fucking retarded
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>>130573054
except unlike in real journalism no one ever EVER gets called on it with gaming. everyone just jerks off whatever AAA company is sending them early copies to review gives it a 4/5, 9/10, 90/100 calls it a day. investigative journalism does not exist in gaming culture and it's worse off because of it.
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>>130572894

You are putting way too much trust in capitalism.

Bioware closes down and most major publishers would assume that RPG games are dying and then proceed to make decisions based on that. Just ignoring the problem would mean that the genre would be left to die like horror games, adventure and immersive sims.

What's needed is something fundamentally different, like what Tim Schaffer is doing.
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LOLOLOL WHITE KNIGHTS ARE FAGS

WE ARE LEGUN!!! WE DONT FORGIVE!!!
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>>130573239
>>130573067
Samefag.
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are they biodrones or gspotdrones?
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>>130573137
Yeah, she's become kind of a symbol.
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>>130573032
>I miss when games were about having a good time and overlooking faults

You are not missing games of the past. You are missing your childhood.
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>>130573137
true, there are so many awful writers at bioware now.

it's a lot fairer to hate the entire company, not just the revolting jew whale.
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>>130573032
>I miss when games were about having a good time and overlooking faults

that's because you were too young to recognize faults, you also probably didnt lurk an imageboard that spends all day dissecting games.
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>>130573329
There normalfags. They get offended when a person gets insulted on the internet. Granted this shit got out of hand, I don't think it warranted an article.
See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIrXwYhwicg
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>The savagery displayed this week flows not from specifics but from the sense of ownership that makes some gamers believe that they own the games they play.
They HAVE to be kidding.
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>>130573137
but they are men, they would just shrug and continue on without feeling a bit of shame
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>>130573490
>That's a common mistake; gamers buy games, so naturally they feel entitled to them. But games are, and have always been, the property of the people who made them. People like Jennifer Hepler.

the feeling of exasperation is becoming overwhelming
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>>130571809

>Reddit gets credit for the protests against SOPA.

lol u mad 4chan?

>Reddit gets blamed for flaming hamburger helper

B-but it was 4chan! ;_;

Publicity is a double edged sword.
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How did we get so many Redditors in this thread?
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Look, I'm willing to admit, the gamer demographic as a whole has to be one of the worst collections of fucktards in the world. Just, complete fucking cunts all over the place, I would rather piss shards of glass than have my profits rely on people like me.

On the flip side? They all know this, this is just how the internet and the community roles, they're easily swayed to a cause if it's funny or let's them be an asshole, and any slip up is basically a red flag.

And Bioware and EA are just complete cluster fucks. I mean, they literally have picked the worst fucking people to represent them. I cannot fathom how fucking stupid their PR department is, if I do, I envision a group of apes masturbating and slinging shit.
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>>130572556
>Stop being little bitches and deal with it.

Dealing with something is the first step accepting it.

I won't do this.

I will never accept day one DLC.
I will never accept $60+ pricetags.
I will never accept DRM.
I will never accept publicly praised, shitty writing.
I will never accept paying for virtual goods.
I will never deal with the shit the Industry pulls off with every fucking new release out there.


YOU are the cancer that is killing video games. Because people like you just deal with every new shitload the industry is pressing into their throats.
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>>130573657
Many Reddiotrs come to /v/. It's annoying I know
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>>130573687
>I envision a group of apes masturbating and slinging shit
Much like the rest of the people on their payroll, including the programmers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0Rl16elKo
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>>130573751
Saved.
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>>130573751
>I will never accept paying for virtual goods.

wait what
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>>130573945
Boosters, Gold, mounts, mappacks, you name it.
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>>130573945
Hats
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>>130573945
Not OP but:
Community items (hats) different from Digital goods (vidya, movies)
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>>130573751
>I will never accept publicly praised, shitty writing.
Do you start crying every time a shitty movie gets released? Do you write hatemails every time a horrible band gets awarded for their music?
Hoyl fucking shit kids think about what you're doing for fucks sake. It's embarrassing.

There are fuckloads of awesome games available and in development, what's the fucking point?
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>>130573751
This motherfucker knows what's up.

You have my rubber shoes in motion.
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>>130574151
>>130574095
>>130574068
oh alright then
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>>130574128
Oh. You don't know George Lucas?
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>>130574128
>use fuck every other word
>call people kids

teach us the ways of maturity
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>>130573751
Five Star Post
>>130574128
If you don't care about video games you need to leave.
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Apparently I don't own the game I paid for, hows that work?

Apparently criticism against males is acceptable, but once we point out the flaws in a female, everyone starts shitting bricks. Hows that work?

This whole ordeal is a PR melt down. They should lose their jobs for this shitstorm.
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>>130573751
Good thing I'm not a poornigger who doesn't give a shit what happens after I'm dead, and therefore don't have to care about throwing away money.

Sucks to be you!
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>>130573490
I don't think they mean "Own", as in you buy a game and you own it, I think they mean "OWN", as in actual, creative, conceptual ownership. Like you own it the same way the original creators OWN it. Which you don't and never will, unless you make something of your own
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Every time I think of hamburger helper I think of her.

I will never forgive her.
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Not all games have to apply to your sensibilities.

Fact is there are plenty of trash films, books and games. Get over it and just dont buy it.
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>>130574550
too bad a supposed journalist doesnt have the ability to express herself properly

.......wait
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>>130574495
Not sure if poor troll or just retarded.
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>>130574394
>Apparently I don't own the game I paid for, hows that work?

Nope the game industry has "licensed" the copy to you.

It's dumb i know, Many other types of software do this as well.

If you really want to learn how to own the software you have, use Opensource or Free Software
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>>130574128
Do you ever went into a Michael Bay movie? Or Roland Emmerich?
Do you ever saw some of the recent changes to the Star Wars franchise?

Did you know Titanic got 11 oscars?

Are you even interested in movies, or do you just spout this out because you think it helps your argument?
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>>130574495
>>130574624
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>>130574624
>Get over it and just dont buy it

this has to be the worst and most illogical argument i've ever heard and i'm really getting sick of people spouting it like it's some great wisdom.
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>>130571228
Oh Implication Arrow, you sum things up so nicely sometimes.
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You guys make me laugh.

Seriously. She was suggesting an OPTION. AS IN NOT ESSENTIAL. THERE ARE SOME GAMERS WHO THINK STORY>GAMEPLAY.

DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU? UNDERSTAND WHAT AN OPINION IS THEN.

Seriously she wasn't saying all games should just not have gameplay or dumb down the gameplay.
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Why does OP's image crack me up every time?
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Nobody would care for her shit writing if the fat cunt didn't say she hates to play video games and wants a skip button.

Thats crossing a line, its not even insulting your fans, its insulting video game fandom as a whole. She deserves everything she gets
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>>130574941
go look up Mass Effect 3's Story Mode, shit isnt an opinion if they make it an actual option.
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She and Gaider liked (or at least appreciated some aspects of) Stephenie Meyer's writing. This tells us all something about the quality at Bioware. I don't care one way or the other what happened to her for putting her ass on the tubes--she showed unwarranted self-importance and got told. Etc. No one is going to sit here and say they haven't seen this happen a billion fucking times.

Simple: don't buy their games any longer. Just don't.
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>>130574941
See>>130575041
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>>130574753
..what? I don't know what you're trying to say.
No, no, yes, yes, yes, no. Even if I don't see how that would be relevant.
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Works for me, I haven't bought a game since 2006.
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>>130573067

Die.
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>>130574878
Are you going to explain what's wrong with that logic, or are you just going to sit on that argument?
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>>130574941
>Seriously she wasn't saying all games should just not have gameplay or dumb down the gameplay.

Of course. Nobody says that.

I wouldn't even care if they just said that they're going to dumb down games.


But you see, the problem is, that they are already dumbing down games for years.
And now they are talking about this like it's the best thing ever.

If this continues, we are back to Pong.
But this "new" Pong won't have an oponent, so you can never lose, and it comes with the option to marry the ball.
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Why hasn't this cultural marxist hambeast been fired yet?
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The only games I play nowadays are on the Gamecube I don't even support the shitty new consoles with their piles of shit called games you shove in the diaper of a system. FUCKING BABBYYYYYYYS!!

You
Are
Smalltime
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>>130575382
She makes them too much money.
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>hurr durr stop speaking your mind on the internet

Yeah, I haven't had the motivation to involve myself in any of this, but if anyone thinks that it's 'gone too far' they're fucking wrong. Call me when someone breaks into her house and rapes her in the middle of the night, then we'll have a problem. As it stands right now, it's just a bunch of whiny faggots getting worked up over some twitter posts.
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Funny thing is, most of the people in this thread crying
>BAWW we want to save gaming we fight for quality
probably have shit taste in video games, bought their Xbox Gold account and annual WoW pass and preordered Diablo III.
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>she gets shat on for her terrible writing and shitty opinions by /v/

>Reddit gets the blame for criticizing her gender, her appearance, and her religion.
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>>130575359
>But this "new" Pong won't have an oponent, so you can never lose, and it comes with the option to marry the ball.

GOTY
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So what's the problem again?

>BOOO HOOO, THEY HURT ME WITH WORDS OVER THE INTERNET, THOSE SAVAGES

If you go into a public toilet and find "Go fuck yourself" written on the wall, are you going to cry about it?
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>>130575458
>Gamecube
I love you
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>>130575382
Because she keeps Bioware's latinum in her second stomach.
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>>130575605
Someone's mad
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>>130575359
You don'tneed an opponent to lose in Pong. Just saying, lol ;)
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But seriously, doesn't Bioware have a PR department? How does insulting the playerbase even fly?

They deserve what their getting and more.
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>>130575593

The internet is nothing more than a huge bathroom stall.
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>mfw reddick gets blamed
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>>130575458
Are you me ?
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>>130575673
awwwww brofist me
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>>130575759
And somehow there are people who still don't understand that.
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>>130575605
>probably have shit taste in video games, bought their Xbox Gold account and annual WoW pass and preordered Diablo III.

I can't really say I don't have shit taste because it's subjective, but I don't do any of those other things. You're an angry child.
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>>130575709
>;)

Fuck off.
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>>130575041
Yeah an opinion shared by many people.
THEREFOR they made it an OPTION (you don't HAVE to do it) so those people who share that opinion can enjoy the game to it's fullest as well.

This is seriously grade school level thinking. What the fuck is wrong with you guys?
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Don't gaming journalists realise they're the ones who caused this in the first place?

Nobody would be that pissed at BioWare if DA2 and SW:TOR just got the bad scores they deserved. Hell, i'm sure they could've gotten away with a 7.5/10.

But they had to push it and call these steaming piece of shits GOTY, so now gamers feel they should take matters in their own hands. BioWare are also feeling quite vulnerable as you can see from their employees lashing out, and it's getting pretty ugly pretty fast.

And it all could've been avoided if the gaming media just did its fucking job for a change.

Thanks, Escapist
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I've done my part with BioWare when it comes to games: I no longer purchase their software. Same goes for Electronic Arts. I still buy and pay for the stuff I enjoy through companies that don't treat me like shit (like Mojang, re-logic, and generally Valve/Steam) but I refuse to give my money to a company that treats me like shit. I would gladly have paid 60 bucks for minecraft, Terraria, or even Cave Story because they were fun games made by people who as far as I'm concerned deserve my money.

As soon as a company stops putting out games I like, or starts doing retarded shit like EA and Bioware do... I stop buying their games.
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>>130574941

>DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU? UNDERSTAND WHAT AN OPINION IS THEN.

Oh, I think everyone involved understands what opinions are. In fact, they're going out of their way to make sure that Hamburger sees their opinions. Oh but wait, you lose the right to your opinion whenever it's a negative one, right?

Wrong

So stop bitching. It may not be nice and mannerly, but there's nothing that deplorable going on here.
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>>130575673
i thought Morn was supposed to be funny
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>>130575869
id like to see an actual poll where this is shared by many people
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>>130575905
>caring about review scores/video game journalism
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>>130575907
>>130575907

> treat me like shit (like Mojang, re-logic, and generally Valve/Steam)

>Valve/Steam
>treating their costumers like shit

>Gabe even criticized companies that treat their costumers like thieves and said that you're supposed to please your costumers not fuck them over with horrible DRM
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>>130575869
So when did we lose track of the border between Video Game and Visual Novel?

Shouldn't it be illegal to sell your product under false claims and genres?
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>>130576017
He talks too much.
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>>130576064
that's the whole fucking problem you idiot
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>>130575359
Who's saying this idea is the best idea ever? What other game or company has even talked about including this idea into their future or current games? Honest question.

Because yes games are getting more and more shallow. But if this is AN OPTIOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN then it's not really effecting the gameplay for every last person who buys it.

Face it, she's just going against the opinion of you people who think gameplay>all
And it's fine for you to think that. Go ahead. I agree in saying I don't think a person who doesn't even like video games, should be working with a video game company. That
s just stupid honestly.

But you can't prove who is wrong because of their OPINION. There is no facts when it comes to opinions and any reasonable man knows that.
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>>130576074
i'm not gay, but goddamn Morn is sexy
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>>130575869

I like how gaming is the only hobby that fucktards try to ruin just to appeal to a broader audience or some shit.

Stop fucking with my hobby you skull fucking douchebags. I don't want people like hindenburg helper messing with the shit I like just because she doesn't like gameplay. Go watch a movie, a visual novel or a playthrough on youtube. Jesus of Fucking CHRISTLAND. Yes I am mad.
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>>130575953
If it wasn't for the fact that, once again, /v/ is getting far too mad over this shit, then yes I'd agree with you.

The problem is /v/ ALWAYS thinks their opinion is law.
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>>130576197
Wonder if she ever found out Sisko got a Kirk autograph when he wouldn't even let her speak to him.
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>>130576065
i think you misread his post
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>>130575905

This shit too. If the gaming sites had scored the games correctly there'd hardly be such a backlash. I know I get annoyed when I get told I should love the intricacies behind what is essentially a shit game.

Excuse me while I play Deadly Premonition again. Which was more fun than either DA2 or TOR and cost me basically nothing.
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>>130576278

OOPS. Yes I did. Shit. Sorry bros.
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>By: Laura Parker

Stopped reading there.
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>>130576353
But DA2 is RPG of the decade, the way RPGs should be, and TOR has redefined the MMORPG!
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>>130576317
>consumers dislike business practices
>WELL THEY NEED TO CALM DOWN AND DEAL WITH IT
>Gilded Age in a nutshell
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>>130576353
>Dragon Age 2 - RPG of the decade!!!
>mfw it's only 2011
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>>130576068
NO BECAUSE IT IS AN OPTION TO TURN THE VIDEO GAME INTO A VN -ESQUE GAME.

If it's not mandatory, then it won't even effect your game and it won't effect ANYONE who didn't chose the story option. ONLY the people who choose the story option.
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Bravo /v/
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>>130573751
So manly~
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>>130576449
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>>130576421

Yeah right? The gaming industry is so full of itself, no fucks are given on my behalf for them.
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>>130576182
>in my opinion jews should be eradicated

>that's not a wrong opinion
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>>130576527
except it's a step in the complete wrong direction, it just encourages developers not to give a shit about gameplay.
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>>130573751
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>>130576527
>VN -ESQUE GAME.

Let's not bring VNs into this. I understand what you're saying thought.
Not the Anon you replied to.
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>>130576312
A hobby shared by many.
A hobby with many diverse tastes in the large amounts of hobbyists.

That's why it's an option.
You people keep talking like the game forces you to choose the story option. No, and you know that.

Don't want Hepler's odd opinion to affect your gameplay? Choose the Normal mode.

That way BOTH demographics still get what they wanted.
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>>130576527

But WHY does it exist? WHY? You don't go to other hobbies and force this type of shit upon the enthusiasts.

>WAAH I THINK PIPE SMOKING SHOULD GIVE THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE TOBACCO THE CHANCE TO SMOKE WE MUST CHANGE PIPE SMOKING SO IT APPEALS TO A BROADER AUDIENCE
>WE MUST INCLUDE THE OPTION IN EVERY PIPE TO BLOW BUBBLES INSTEAD OF JUST SMOKING I MEAN I AM A MOTHER I DON'T WANT MY KIDS TO BREATHE MY SMOKE. FUCK THE PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT A NORMAL PIPE
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>>130576703

Again. Do. Not. Buy. The Games.
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>>130576527
But it will affect the VIDEO GAME and the VIDEO GAME MEDIUM AS A WHOLE.

If you sold Story Mode Mass Effect 3 under the name of "Visual Novel" or "Interactive Movie" NO ONE WOULD COMPLAIN.

GAMES

ARE

ABOUT

CHALLENGE

If story is your main concern then please seek other mediums.
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we need another Video Game Crash to get this shit back on track, it did wonders the first time and the collapse of the studio system really helped the movie industry (until corporations came in again)
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>>130576527
It affects the entire game. If they're accommodating for people who don't care about the story and just want to get to the action parts, then it becomes reasonable to assume that you'll never be given information you really need to listen to. No puzzles, no detective work, nothing to explore. Just following your quest marker to the next point.

No retard left behind design choices.
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>>130572767
>dem
ugh
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>>130576804
life isnt that simple bro, a few people not buying games will never affect a company like EA. the only way to reach a big company is public outcry.
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>>130576765

But she is a shit writer. This entirely apart from her idiotic slash fangirl hearts and flowers crap.
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>gamer entitlement

HOW DARE CONSUMERS DEMAND THINGS IN THEIR PRODUCTS AND NOT JUST GIVE US MONEY

TOO BIG TO FALL, DAMNIT

TOO BIG TO FALL
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>>130576068
>>130576527
I like VNs and although I consider them games, they are seperate from the regular video games. Hence the Term Visual Novel. It's a hubrid of a game and a novel.
VNs and regular vidya should not blend though.
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>>130576649
Opinions on what is right and wrong are also subjective.

You think it's right? That's true, you think it's right. That 's your opinion.

You think it's wrong? Sure, that's fine too.

Problem is more people think it's wrong than right.

And the comparison isn't proper.

EA made it an option to choose a story-driven "game" or the normal product made the way it was intended by it's makers.

Nazi's gave the Jews one option. Die.
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>they think the attacks are related to gamer entitlement
>reddit gets blamed
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>Car resellers charge an extra $10 for the breaks
>this is unethical
>Book resellers charge an extra $10 for the last pages of every book.
>this is unethical
>Game devs charge an extra $10 for core characters in their games
>Gamer entitlement rearing it's ugly head again!
Stay salty game journalists.
Stay salty.
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>>130576804
fuck you what happened to all this everyone has a right to their opinion crap?
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>Attacks on her have referenced Hitler
>implying that not a compliment

HEIL BURGLER
HEIL BURGLER
HEIL BURGLER
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>By: Laura Parker, GameSpot AU

Why am I not surprised.
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But BioWare has the right to do so much more. It has the right to pursue legal action against Hepler's attackers. It has the right to shut them out of its community, to refuse them any kind of service in the future. It has the right to tell them that this behavior has no place in the gaming community, to show them that every sexist, racist, comment only serves to undo years of growth and progress in changing outdated attitudes in the industry.

Like us, BioWare has the right to stand up to each and every gamer who brutalized, harassed, and dehumanized Jennifer Hepler, a game developer who to date has dedicated her working life to making games better for the very same people who turned on her.

UPDATE: BioWare CEO and cofounder Dr. Ray Muzyka responded to the attacks on Hepler overnight, donating US$1000 to Bullying Canada in her name.
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Can't remember the last time I saw so much butthurt and idiocy in one thread.
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>>130576804

>if you don´t praise something blindly then its not allowed!
>constructive criticism is bad, because we are dumb shits that take criticism as personal insults

I hate people like you
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>>130577004
> yfw gamer entitlement will be the new buzzline used by devs/fanboys to stop genuine criticism
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>>130576765

>Implying there aren't other hobbies shared by many and nobody tries to force this kind of shit.

>You actually agree to make it possible to take away the gameplay from a game
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>>130577076
Opinions are never wrong is such a shit and tired argument anyone that uses it loses any worth.

Defending behind "it's just an opinion lol" means it doesn't have anything else going for it.
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>>130572556

>gamers
>core audience

>demand quality

YOU ENTITLED FUCKS! HOW DARE YOU!
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>>130577076

Opinions are never fucking right.

If they were right, they would be called FACTS you fucking tard.
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>>130576803
If someone wanted to make pipes that blow bubbles
OH WAIT THEY HAVE. And because smokers could STILL BUY NORMAL TOBACCO AND SMOKE THE SMOKES THEY WANTED WHILE THE BUBBLE BLOWING PEOPLE HAD THEIR FUN, SMOKERS DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

IT'S AN OPTIOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
DON'T LIKE IT?
DON'T CHOOSE IIIIIIIIIIIT

WHY CANT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS?!

>>130576838
AS much as I think it's odd, there are apparently people who want it.

For be it for me to say their opinion is wrong.
The product I want will still be served to me as I wanted it. I just don't scroll down and click on "story mode".

Story mode didn't take out the cool characters from Normal Mode. Story mode didn't make the game shorter. Story mode didn't casualize the game.

Story mode was made for people who liked Mass Effects story and character interactions, but disliked the gameplay.
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>>130573751
End of the fucking rine.
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>gamer entitlement

Soon you won't be able to complain about anything while the masses shell out eighty dollars for three maps.
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>>130573751

>I will never accept DRM.
>I will never accept paying for virtual goods.

Fucking retarded, DRM is bad? look at demigod and see how that went oh so well for them.
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>>130577481
Except cigarettes aren't designed with bubble blowers in mind, fucktard.

>a cigarette both smoker and bubble blowers can enjoy!
>it looks like tobacco, but tastes like bubbles!
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>>130577284
There goes internet freedom of speech
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>>130577
>It has the right to pursue legal action against Hepler's attackers

No, freedom of spech on the internet is important.
Slippery Slope.
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I think Hambergur Halper is a bad writer. So is a lot of Bioware's writing staff. I also think the hatred of her and Bioware goes a little too far.

WHAT_NOW.jpg
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>>130577384
Often people say this because people often fight over opinions. And people can like their own a opinions A LOT. Some people can't stand that they're opinions aren't shared by everyone. Those people usually don't understand what an opinion is.

An opinion is just someones thoughts on a subject.

People hate that argument because it's an argument nullifier.
There is absolutely no laws when it comes to opinions. Any smart man knows....

Sorry. Any logical man knows that.
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>>130577481

That was a hypothetical example you dipshit. Why would you want to change something that goes against what the core audience wants?

Fucking biodrone.
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>>130577712
>more "piracy is always a lost sale" arguments

If you make a good product, obviously put effort in to it and pander to your community, you will make money off people who pirate. Not all of the pirates, but most of them.

Stop promoting DRM, tacked-on multiplayer, keycodes and shit like that. Promote the idea of:

>"Well sure, pirating is an okay way of TESTING the game...but don't you want us to make more games like these? We need money to do that!"

In before misanthrope ">implying pirates buy games" bullshit.
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>>130577712
Try a different example, one that doesn't include a bad game.
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>>130577650
And how was MAss Effect 3 designed with Story-mode in mind?
OH wait no one can comment on that because they haven't played the full game.

If the game was made around Story Mode THEN I would be pissed. THAT is truely forcing something on you and THAT is wrong.

But if it's an option that you don't have to choose that doesn't affect your game completely, then why bother getting pissy about it?

The more I get the opinions of you guys the more it just sounds like "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE"
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ITT: Uneducated americans getting mad over their own economic system they are so very proud of
HAHAHAA this is fucking funny
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>>130577745
>People hate that argument because it's an argument nullifier.

Exactly. Why argue if you'll never accept you're wrong?

Saying it's just my opinion and and staying all stuck up is idiotic.

This whole argument is yet another product of this touchy-feely politically correct generation. Boo fucking hoo, everybody is wrong sometimes. Saying it was just your opinion doesn't make it any less wrong.
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>>130577920
>And how was MAss Effect 3 designed with Story-mode in mind?

Because story mode is fucking included with it?
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>>130577193
Why did you delete your post, faggot?

Protip: You can say what you want on here, there is no censorship on the internet because of a opinion that's not shared by everyone.
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>>130577920
>And how was MAss Effect 3 designed with Story-mode in mind?

Most Biodrone arguments for buying that piece of shit is "BUT I HAVE TO FINISH THE STORY."
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>>130577748
Because the core audience STILL GETS WHAT THEY WANT.
THE GAME IS UNALTERED FOR THEM IF THEY DON'T CHOOSE THAT OPTION. Fucking idiot.

But to ONLY cater to the core audience is bad. There are other players you are ignoring.

And these options allow for BOTH audiences to get what they want.

Grade. 5. Logic.
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>>130578082
Except by catering to everyone you cater to no one and deliver a shoddy watered-down product.

ME3's demo should be enough indication of that. Not to mention all the script leaks and the retcons of both lore and player-choices that came with it.
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>>130577969
Yes but how was the normal mode affected by it? Did they make action and gameplay sequences shorter so that Story-Mode would not miss much everytime they skipped gameplay sections?

We don't even know how story mode will play out yet for god sake. All we know is it focuses more on story.
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this is the second article about gamer entitlement i see, eurogamer did it too
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>>130578214
>>130578214
>We don't even know how story mode will play out yet for god sake. All we know is it focuses more on story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Pz98lm0UU&feature=player_embedded
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>>130577853

>more "piracy is always a lost sale" arguments

No one said that.

Demigod had no DRM so pirates could play online with their pirated copies. Needless to say the servers got overloaded and when they finally did put in online checks there was nobody playing the game. My point? if you don´t have atleast basic DRM then no one will buy it, guaranteed.
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isn't it 100% accurate to call someone a "cunt" after they define their status by presence of a vagina?
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People are taking personal attacks on the internet a little too serious. Grow some fucking nuts , or maybe better yet Hepler, take some of those nuts you have been goblin to use.

It would be like whining to an admin cause someone called you faggot on LEage of Legends
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>>130578379

> My point? if you don´t have atleast basic DRM then no one will buy it, guaranteed.

>All dose GoG sales.
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>>130578212
That makes no sense. Catering to everyone, is catering to everyone. Depending on how the catering is handled.

How I imagine it is they created Normal Mode. Then they thought of story-lovers and said "Okay let's make a button or option in the menus that allows you to skip action gameplay segments. Now we'll only allow that option to people who select that Story-Mode. Thus giving the people who wanted it normally, the normal game and the story blah blah blah

I feel like I'm repeating myself and you guys seem to think Story mode will affect Normal mode, the mode you will all be playing.

>>130577891
Opinions. Can't. Be. Wrong.
Look it up fagot. I don't think I'm right, I know it's my opinion.

YOU'RE the one who can't handle someones opinion being different. And what I'm doing is trying to make you guys understand that.
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>>130578082

Yeah because trying to cater to everyone costs zero money and no time, right?

But why does do they have to waste resources to cater to toddlers and house moms?

I hope your enjoy your press x to win games of the future, biodrone.
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So the blame scapegoat is going to shift from pirates to gamer entitlement now...

They are probably going to use this as an excuse for why they didn't take TOR feedback seriously.

Book it. Done.
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>>130578304
To be totally and completely fair, people like my dad would love this in a game. It'd be fun for him to also be able to play some games that were story-centric like this. Not saying it's good for your general gaming audience or for every game to start being like this, but you get what I mean.
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>>130578589
>Opinions. Can't. Be. Wrong.
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>>130578589
>That makes no sense. Catering to everyone, is catering to everyone. Depending on how the catering is handled.

It makes lots of sense. You can't cater to everyone, otherwise you get a mix of everything that doesn't really hold together.
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>>130578589
>Opinions. Can't. Be. Wrong.

Yet people can. And people have opinions. Get over it.
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>>130578589

You are so fucking dense. OPTIONS cost money and time, both of which could have been used elsewhere.
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>>130578520
>Implying GoG isn't just like Steam but for old games.
>Implying Steam isn't the most intrusive form of DRM there is
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>>130578589

We have a live biodrone!
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>>130578762
Good job knowing almost nothing about GoG.
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Been seeing these threads for days now


Lost interest and don't care anymore.
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>>130578508
It's always women that get called a cunt on the internet and then act like it's an afront to all women everywhere

>call a guy a cunt online
>Yeah fuck you faggot you mad? go back to sucking your momma's titties

>call a girl a cunt online
>OMG SEXIST PIG HOW CAN YOU DO THIS PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSOR WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN???

If women don't want to be treated like children then maybe they should stop being so shit-tier.
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>>130578762
>GOG is just like Steam
10/10 I MAD BUTTHURT
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>>130578762
>doesn't understand everything sold on GoG is DRM free
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>>130578304
Looks incredibly boring. I don't see why they kept combat for people who didn't want combat lol. But oh well, I'm not selecting that option.

>>130578535
>Biodrone
I find it funny because I've played one Bioware series. I'll let you guess which one.

I'm just trying to let you guys know it won't affect your game, and differing opinions are normal, so don't get mad over it.

And by the looks of that video, all they did was make it so you can't die lmfao. An option that's probably easy to input during the development process.
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>>130578762

Steam is service not just DRM.

>Steam
>Most intrusive DRM

That's rich.
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>>130578762

>Doesn't know new games are sold on GoG DRM free.
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We should urge people to support her by buying her comic book, MITH. Sure it'll give her money, but people will feel so god damned ripped off when they read it and maybe understand why we hate her.

capcha: appointed shemill
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>>130578886
>Steam is a service
So is GFWL
or Ubisoft Network
or Origin
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>>130578589

"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody".

If you can´t grasp why that is then you are blind and oblivious.
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>>130578762
>Implying Steam isn't the most intrusive form of DRM there is
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>>130578742
>implying any mathematical equation is an opinion
saged, reported, called the cops, burned my mac, shot the wife and kids, abandoned the dog, left the house, moved country, fount a new job, fell into depression, committed suicide.
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>>130578926
>>130578926


>your game

dohohoho!
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>>130579028
>implying it isn't

That's just your opinion
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>>130578738
That was the worst point ever.

Yes people can be wrong. By mistaking facts. Opinions can never be facts.
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>>130579028
>implying maths aren't made up and up for interpretation
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>>130579102
But opinions can be based in fact you dense cunt.
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>>130579102
And one can have an opinion based on false facts or misunderstanding/not knowing them. Which makes the opinion wrong.
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>>130578969
>Ghandi is a famous historical leader
So is Hitler
or Stalin
or Idi Amin Dada


Durp.
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>>130579086
Facts can't be wrong (although they can be mistaken). That's just the person being stupid.

That's where opinions hold no power. When it comes to facts.
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>>130579279
>That's where opinions hold no power. When it comes to facts.

Except when they're based in fact.
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>>130573032
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-ii/user-reviews
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>>130579028

Opinions can't be wrong on subjective issues. They are not a bullet-proof cop out in a fucking argument.

>I like apples

OPINION

>IT IS MY OPINION THAT ASIAN PEOPLE HAVE NO SOULS AND ARE INFERIOR THAT'S JUST MY OPINION

Fucktarded bullshit.
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>people call out lucas on his shit
>seen as a perfectly reasonably criticism, lucas is a cunt and an awful director
>people call out the author of twilight on her shit
>seen as perfectly reasonable, she's a cunt and an awful writer
>people call out hepler
>seen as entitled and pretentious how dare people criticise someone in the industry
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>>130579023
If you can please two demographics by simply disabling damage (which should be easy) and only have it to apply to one game mode, they you can please everyone.

I'm sure that quote was meant in another context.
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>>130579350
Not sure if I know what you're saying. Care to elaborate?
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>>130578589
I think the way it will severely affect the normal play is that story will have to unfold only outside of combat.

So imagine if they made System Shock or Bioshock where every time you pick up an audio journal the game stops and you have to listen to it while nothing else happens. Or where the only way you figure out who certain people are is within cutscenes.

Things like this are why people couldn't connect with the Star Wars Prequels. The movies were built with "I AM FEEDING YOU THE STORY" followed by "BANG BANG LOOK ACTION STUFF HAPPENING".

I'm not saying that you have to have combat and action to have gameplay, because I don't believe that. But I know you can't take a game built around action and make it work without, at least not without severely limiting the experience for one or both parties.
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>>130579528
You're basically saying criticisms cannot be valid, because they're not facts.
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>>130578824
'MISOGYNIST' is the new 'RACIST'. It's fucking sickening that we live in a world were you can't criticise a woman without being labeled a sexist. Even if Hamburger's hate was a bit over the top, it wasn't sexist hate.
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>>130579354
Very true and that's what I'm saying.

Now look at what the argument is for this are.
"I don't like that people who enjoy storylines are getting attention!"
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>>130579615
Because you shouldn't be entitled to quality.

You think your money should get you something?

Just buy and be happy.
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>>130579354
Except I never said that, just that mathematical equations aren't opinions.
I'm not that other guy you're arguing with, I just wanted the guy who posted the picture to know how much of a fucking moron he is

Also, the bottom one is still an opinion, even if it is one in which anyone who said it would be ignored by everyone else. Just because an opinion isn't valid / discussion worthy / whatever doesn't mean it isn't an opinion.
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>>130579395

Well in a way they aren´t pleasing everyone. They are cutting out the people that like good stories
and embracing way bigger demographic who don´t look too deeply into the plot
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>>130579721
>I don't like that an RPG game got turned into a half-movie

Is what you should be arguing against
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>>130579724
>Just because an opinion isn't valid / discussion worthy / whatever doesn't mean it isn't an opinion.

That makes so much sense.

Except it doesn't.

I don't give a fuck if it's an opinion, who gives a shit. If it's idiotic then you should feel bad, no matter how many mental blockades of denial you put on your head.
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>>130575605
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>>130579723
This is what americans actually believe
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>>130578762
games on GOG are sold without any DRM. Buy it, redownload unlimited times and do whatever you want with the iso. You don't need to run some proprietary dedicated software like Steam in the background to (re)install and play the games.

Also all games on GOG get a special treatment so they all run on current operating systems, they also get a proper installer and you often get swag and goodies like the original soundtrack, manuals, wallpapers and other hard to get stuff or even never released before.
You really get that from gamers for gamers vibe.

Damn, that came off as veeral.
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>>130579615
No criticisms are valid, they're just not to be taken as fact. When it comes to subjective issues anyways.
They should be considered so that you can get a perception of more people, the people you're trying to sell your product to.

>>130579546
Yeah but this is an option. That would be terrible if the game forced that on you, but this game doesn't. It's an option. And even then it seems to be terribly done haha.
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>>130579971
But in order for the option to function properly you have to build the game a different way, that's the point I'm trying to make.
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Things like Day-1 DLC removed from the game or buttons that let you skip the gameplay are completely optional, nobody is forcing you buy or use them. No one's holding a gun to your head, so shut up if you don't like it.

The only time a game, content or mode should come under critical scrutiny is when it is mandatory.

The only role "consumers" have is to buy games or not buy games, play games or not play games. These decisions should not be informed by debate and discussion, but only by marketing messages.

After all, no one forces anyone to eat at a restaurant, so why should we review it? No one forces you to see a movie, so why have any discussion about which movie you should see this weekend?
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It's good to know that when you find someone's opinion repugnant and wrong , you can't even beat her over the head with how repugnant and wrong her opinion is to the majority of you.

You can't point out any examples when narrative took away from gameplay.

No, you fuckers default to cunt.

Unimaginative retards, the whole lot of you.
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HAS ANYBODY EVER HEARD OF STICKS AND FUCKING STONES!? WHY THE HELL DID PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT THIS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LESSON??? WHY IS EVERYONE UP IN ARMS OVER VERBAL ABUSE THESE DAYS?!?!? WHAT CHANGED? WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED IN THE WORLD THAT MADE NAMECALLING A CRIME ON PAR WITH RAPE, MURDER, AND PEDOPHILIA? PARDON MY CAPSLOCK BUT I NEED THIS TO BE ADDRESSED. I AM MAD.
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>tweet jokingly about how hepler is a STRONG BEAUTIFUL WOMAN WHO DONT NEED TO NO MAN
>get 5 angry anal pained tweets in return
Hahaha I knew you guys were dense but really?
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>>130580106
>that pic
>check to see if he said that
>he really did
I am so fucking happy right now.
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She had it coming, and we're just getting started.
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>>130579895
>I don't give a fuck if it's an opinion, who gives a shit
You because you were the one arguing about comments like that not being opinions.
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>>130580106

I don't think you fully understand what "madatory" means.

In the industry, there are HUNDREDS of first and third person shooters with shitty characters and plots and "me too" multiplayer modes.

If I wanted to play that, I'd play one of them, but I don't want to play them, so I played Mass Effect.

The Day 1 DLC, terrible writing, all of it is merely a symptom of the homogenization of the game industry. They give us "options" but all these options are different colors of the same thing, games without innovation, imagination, or style.

Not to mention that by trying to cater to "everybody" they'll inevitably end up satisfying nobody.
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>>130580042
Yes, but look at the video someone posted for me above ^^^
There is still...."combat" but you just take no damage. I think that's a piss poor attempt at story-mode and you guys should just be laughing at how alienated the people who wanted storymode are going to feel.

All this mode does is disable damage. How long could it have really taken to add that into the game? Probably only one or two workers worked on it. I think just one did, but we don't know.

It couldn't have taken $10 000 and a team of the best Bioware devs to work on it for 5 months.

I would be agreeing with you if they did.
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>>130580106
heplers shit writing is not optional.
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>>130580106
Day one DLC is essentially removing parts of the game and selling it for an additional price to the game. Shit is unacceptable. Sure it's optional, but I payed money for the game, I should be entitled to the full experience, not have half of the pie.

Fuck you Biodrones, you cannot defend this shit.
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>>130571828
>implying Bioware isn't beyond saving at this point
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>>130580106

SHUT UP YOU AIDS RIDDEN RAGING FAGGOT
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>>130573630
I don't think you get it, we LOVE that reddit is taking the blame here
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>>130579971
>No criticisms are valid, they're just not to be taken as fact. >No criticisms are valid, they're just not to be taken as fact.

Nobody was arguing whether or not they could be taken up as fact until the subjectivists started to ramble about it because theyobody was arguing whether or not they could be taken up as fact until people defending this shit started to ramble about opinions and subjectivity and instead of directly addressing criticism itself.

>It's an option.

So basically you're saying it's exempt from any and all criticism. Because it's not forced on you.

Nobody forces you to go even play the game, so why bother reviewing it?
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>>130580106
>im not forcing you to eat my shit, so why care that i use your living room as a toilet
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>>130580106
>day one DLC
>optional
But what if I want to experience the whole game for the price of just that one game?
>fast forward button
>optional
You have a point there but that is a slippery fucking slope for the industry. We don't need people who can't appreciate gameplay working on games. We have enough shitfucks as it is. If you want to experience a story without playing a game then WATCH A MOVIE. Problem solved. You aren't going to get people who buy a 300$ system and 60$ games + 10$ DLC just so they can skip gameplay and watch the story. That's retarded.

Hepler deserve to be called out on the damage she is doing to the industry. She deserves to be insulted and called a fat pig slut. If she can't take insults then she should go back to elementary school where we are taught how to deal with insults from grade 1.
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>>130580493
>all this mode does is disable damage

Oh god, I'm not even mad, just sad.
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>>130580502
>>130580508
>>130580549
>>130580607
>>130580641
>>130580662
>people that don't get sarcasm
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>>130579723
>You think your money should get you something?

YES

Yes you motherfucker, yes.
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/v/ - Bioware Forums

Gotta defend that shit writing and day one DLC.
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>>130580767

But the Biodrones ACTUALLY SAY THAT!
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>>130580850
I know. He was mocking them.
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So many Bioware employees in this thread. How is that dying company of yours?
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>>130580261

her shitty yaoi fetish narrative took away from my DA2 gameplay. does that fill your ass in? whether you play as a guy or a girl, you are pressed by your gender to get to fucking. i give no fucks if you're gay. none. however, some of us actually ARE annoyed by having sexuality shoved in our fucking faces. some of us don't object to it on moral grounds, it just makes us feel like hey, TMI. the way the same sex narrative was introduced in the game was done in a half-assed, lazy, and shitty fashion because SHE IS A BAD WRITER.

am i being clear enough?
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>Log into facebook
>See mother defending hepler and half my family commenting positively
>Leave, never return to facebook
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>BioWare CEO and cofounder Dr. Ray Muzyka responded to the attacks on Hepler overnight, donating US$1000 to Bullying Canada in her name.

Bioware must be loving this. They get to stand on the moral highground and use this as free publicity.
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>>130570808
>decide not to buy ME3 months ago
>watch a lets play on youtube to get closure
EA gets nothing from me and i get to see how they manage to end this.
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>>130580767
>sarcasm
>on the internet

because you can totally tell that shit when its written

are you retarded?
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>>130580594
Wrong, everyone here IS taking their opinions and criticisms as fact.

Everyone is literally mad because they love gameplay (that's fine) and care about story second, when it took little man-power (most likely anyways) and time to make a mode where story is more important.

Now you can be mad about it and flood her with hate mail, but why get so buttfurious over an opinion that won't affect your gameplay at all?

What I'm really trying to say is.

Story mode won't affect your game if you don't choose it to.
Story is more important for some people playing games.
It's okay for some people to like story as much, or more than gameplay, so long as it doesn't affect gameplay for people who DO like gameplay.

I don't like Bioware that much. I honestly only like Mass Effect and liked 1 more so than the others. I'm just saying that the idea is okay and I see why they implemented it.
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>>130581057
Why do I have to wait for the disc to be inserted?
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I want a game that skips all content so I can get the achievements faster. I just want to insert the disc into my 360 and hear all the blips.
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>>130581002
I think you're retarded if you can't.
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>>130581002
>These decisions should not be informed by debate and discussion, but only by marketing messages.

If after reading that and the bit about how we should never review resturaunts or talk about what movie to see this weekend, you thought he was being serious then you're the retard here.
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>>130581109
You have a point, but I have to go to the store so I can brag about my skills.
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Why are people such babies now? Have they never been to grade school where insults are hurled every which way at the speed of light? Honestly I think the internet age has introduced a lot of shelter, frail, sensitive little faggots who have never experienced the harshness of the real world where you WILL get called out only our shit and it will be drilled into you untily uo are forgotten. And instead of adapting they try to fight it by making pussy ass laws and generally bitching and moaning and treating it like a serious offense that is causing harm to a person. Fuck this planet.
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Fuck the modern gaming industry.
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>>130581178
Hmm, I didn't think about that.

What if MS sent someone to your home for the sole purpose of you bragging to them so they can tell you how much of a good boy you are? I think that would solve a lot of problems.
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>>130581035
>Wrong, everyone here IS taking their opinions and criticisms as fact.

No, only people like you are. We don't need to preface our posts with WELL IN MY OPINION just because you can't tell the difference.

Again, the lack of objectivity in critic's posts are only brought up by the people who can't otherwise argue against them. It is a cop out counter-argument.

And again, you're claiming that we cannot criticize anything including this mode because it isn't mandatory.

>Story is more important for some people playing games.
That would only apply if they were actually playing the game instead of pressing a button to skip the "play" part.
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>>130580662
>Like story? WATCH A MOVIE
What if they like Mass Effect's universe and particularity the Shepard storyline?

>Effecting the industry
I've asked this already. HOW? What other publisher or dev has said they wanted to do this?

>Bad for the industry because we already have shit gameplay a lot.

I agree on that. But at least it's an OPTION so it doesn't force it on the community. If the industry takes it up then it's the industry to blame. The publishers really.
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>>130581421
>What if they like Mass Effect's universe and particularity the Shepard storyline?

Impossible unless they had willingly played the games.
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>>130581197
Because grade school now is different. Sitting in on a class, it's a little sad. Everyone akwardly tries to 'get along' with everyone else, no matter how ugly, akward, fat, or stupid they are. It's one thing to be accepting of people despite these things, it's another when society brands you as a monster if you want to choose who you hang with.
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For the people saying that we shouldn't be getting worked up over the "there should be a button to skip gameplay" comment:

That was never the issue. The issue was that she hates GAMEplay despite working in the GAMEs industry. Now, maybe this might not be a problem, but think about it.

Let's put it this way. Theoretically, a person could make gourmet food even if they didn't like gourmet food, since the making of food and the enjoyment of food are two very different things, the same way that writing for games and playing games are too very different things. But then, if a person didn't like gourmet food, why would they be making it? Furthermore, should they be making gourmet food at all since someone who does like gourmet food will probably do a better job?

Think about it.
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>>130576941
HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THAT SAME EXACT POST

"UGH" OVER AND OVER AGAIN EVERY TIME SOMEONE SAYS "DEM"

WHY
WHY
JUST WHY
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>>130581472

>Everyone is nice to each other.
>YEAH FUCK THAT SHIT. PUSSY ASS BITCHES, SHOULD BE INSULTING EACH OTHER YEAH IM SUCH A MANLY MAN.

Pfft.
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>>130581502
I swear to god I have never read an analogy on /v/ that wasn't retarded.

You just topped the list in retardation. Stop.
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>>130581421
Again, it's an "option" so it's exempt from critical scrutiny.
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>>130581385
How the hell am I taking my opinions as fact?!

And when did I say you can't criticize it? GO AHEAD. Anyone can criticize anything they want.

Just read the three points I left and respond to those please. THAT is what these arguments are going off of. And that's what I'd rather talk about.

And you ARE playing the game, not pressing a skip button. Look at the video, damage is just disabled.
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>>130581626
I don't think you understand.

>Kid shits his pants
>Someone tells him he smells bad
>Second kid is sent home for the day, the other one is given a new pair of pants while they tell him it's okay and he did nothing wrong
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>>130581698

Cool ad hominem, bro.
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>>130574941
H-Here I go.

You cannot think story > gameplay, because story falls directly into gameplay. I'm going to assume that you meant combat. Combat also falls into gameplay though and it isn't separate from the story of a game. The story of a video game is experienced through gameplay, not solely cut-scenes / dialog. In the case of Mass Effect 3, you should feel threatened and as if you are doing the impossible (row row etc). If you were to take out the combat or dumb it down, then you aren't getting the full story. You're getting the abridged version of it.

Helper was asking for a visual novel, but the thing is, you can't turn a normal game into a visual novel by stripping out elements of it.

You're right about it being an option though, it's an option that should not exist in this world. Apparently though, in Bioware's eyes, Helper represents that average grrrrrl that hates video games.
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>>130581626
There's a difference between tolerance and outright being forced to like people you don't.
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>>130581502
You have to eat lots of different well made foods to get a proper pallet. There's so much tasting in proper cooking because you have to know what you're aiming for and how to balance the variations in the ingredients.
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>>130581737
>And you ARE playing the game

Then it's missing the entire point of what Helper suggested. It's actually even worse because not only does it trivialize the combat but it still forces people who don't want to play through it to do so.

It's a lose lose for both parties.
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>>130581421
How would they know they like a video game unless they willingly purchased a video game system for 300$ and a game for 60$ and DLC for 10$? Do you think people who hate video games just go out and buy game systems and games just so they can see the story? No, that's not how it fucking works. It's a stupid thing to even put in the game. It's a stupid idea made by a stupid person who doesn't even belong in this industry. Games wouldn't even be a part of that fat fuck's life if she hadn't scored a job at Bioware because of her husband. Or perhaps she thought it was the only industry where her sub par writing could pass.

If you want easy then we have a little thing called easy mode that has been around since forever.
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If hepler wants to write romantic, interactive stories, she should go into visual novels.
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>>130581995
Too much gameplay.
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>>130581651
Yes no one is using these points to critique the game itself. They are complaining that is is a fundamental problem with the industry itself that people are letting this shit fly. There, now you can stop repeating that nonsense that doesn't even make sense to begin with.
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>>130581818
Interesting points, but the fact of the matter is Story-mode only disabled damage. You just can't die.

True, I think this experience is playing the game at a stunted state, but I'm not arguing on the quality of the mode (it seems shit) I'm arguing whether the mode should have been included or not. And since it won't affect Normal Mode or anyone not playing Story Mode, then I'm saying it's fine to have in there. Let the odd-balls who play video games for their storyline SOLELY play their version of the game.
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>>130577193
Legal action for calling her a landwhale?
Adults insulting adults. Nah bro maybe if someone threatened her then they could take legal action but only against those specific people. The people that called her names are totally safe because you can call anyone you want anything you want legally.

Example: You are a massive faggot.
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>white-knighting an arrogant whore who thinks she's entitled to do shit writing in an industry she knows jack shit nothing about without criticism

I can't believe the arrogant bitch actually has the balls to play the victim card
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>entitlement
jesus fuck i'm sick of this
IT'S A CONSUMER PRODUCT
THEY ARE BEHOLDEN TO CONSUMERS
IT'S NOT ENTITLEMENT, IT'S HOW CAPITALISM WORKS.
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>>130581847
I bet you feel very adult and mature for using that word.
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>>130581995
Those require a lot of clicking. It would be better if there was some sort of machine that you could turn on and it would play a story with moving pictures for you to minimize effort while viewing. Hmmmmm.
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>>130581973
>willingly purchased a video game system for 300$

They're not even called that anymore. Your consoles are now "home entertainment systems". Bioware is basically pandering to people who only use their 360 or PS3 as Netflix boxes and Blu-ray players.
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The best part will be when a few months down the line EA sack her and BioWare's entire PR department. Muzyka won't be able to do jack shit about it.
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These fucknuts are basically saying that devs can produce any POS they want and gamers have no choice but to buy it like obedient quiet consumer slaves.


Fuck that.
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>>130582270
Please don't discourage intelligence here.
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>>130582328
>Auto-mode

I actually laughed.
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>>130582346
Again, why would anyone purchase a 60$ game to experience a story when they have hours and hours of entertainment for a low monthly fee with netflix?
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>>130582172
>Yes no one is using these points to critique the game itself.

Yes they are. They're saying this shit takes away resources that could've been used to improve the game.

>They are complaining that is is a fundamental problem with the industry itself that people are letting this shit fly

Which it is. The same "slippery slope fallacy" argument was used to defend DLC. And yet look where we are now.

>Now you can stop repeating that nonsense that doesn't even make sense to begin with.

It made 100% sense and you have yet to prove otherwise. Whenever someone posts about how terrible implementing a gameplay-skip button is, you assholes continuously use "IT'S AN OPTION" to deflect criticism.
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I bet your ass that ME3 will have a 20 hour campaign at most.
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>Implying the problem with her was what she said about buttons to skip the gameplay and not the shitty, homolust driven writing
You faggots defending her don't even remember when the subject came up, that interview wasn't everything
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>>130570808
>the idea that gamers have the right to do and say without suffering the consequences of their actions.


REALLY, IGN???


That's what that land-sea-cow did to fire people up like this.
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>>130571340
Do you deny that enjoyed the latest Mass Effect game? Do you deny that you are a Bioware drone? Did you not, as the good people of this town have described to me, defend the witch Hamburger Helper last Tuesday in the town square?

Do you swear an oath upon the holy bible and before the sanctity of this hearing that you did not do these things? Well come now, speak, this council demands an answer!
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>>130582501
Because "Mass Effect is the Most Important Science Fiction Universe of our generation"
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>>130582612
>20h
>no 8
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I think calling hmaburger hepler a slut is something of a compliment.
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>>130582453
>Auto mode

Hold on there!? You expect me to read that fast? You expect me to read? This is America1 Someone should invent a box that plays moving pictures and sound that you can turn on and off from afar at your own leisure.
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>reddit got blamed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_os8HqfxHc
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>>130581931
The person you're quoting isn't me (the guy trying to argue that it's okay to want to add this mode in as a option), but what damage is this doing to the industry?

Seriously you guys keep saying this, but what damage has it done? ONE GAME in which it doesn't affect it at all.

There is no damage.
You're only thinking there will be damage.

The industry is bad right now, yes. But I don't think it will ever stoop as low as making a Story-mode for everygame. Most games don't give half a shit about story-mode anyways.
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>>130582689
>suffering the consequences of their actions
>consequences
Like being told to fuck off by some suit? Oh my god how will their customers ever recover from such vicious and crippling consequences.
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>>130582764
>What damage is this doing to the industry?

>Seriously you guys keep saying this, but what damage has it done? ONE GAME in which it doesn't affect it at all.

>There is no damage.
>You're only thinking there will be damage.

>The industry is bad right now, yes. But I don't think it will ever stoop as low as cutting content out of games and selling it back to you in the form of DLC. Most games would never pay $10 for a virtual avatar lightsaber anyway.

Fast foward 6 years later

>OMG STFU IT'S OPTIONAL IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE GAME DON'T LIKE IT DON'T BUY IT
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>>130582845
This shit is getting out of hand. Sure Hepler's writing is bad, but I've seen worse, a lot worse. Have people forgotten about TO SAVE YOUR FRIENDS SUPERMEN YOU MUST SOLVE MY MAZE.

Hepler is there because she is married to a ceo of bioware, and the job keeps her from being bored. There is no mystery to it, that's just the way it is.

You guys are making her into the devil and this really is turning into a witch hunt. And it needs to stop before it gets any worse.
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>>130583272
I don't remember Superman being a RPG.

I also don't remember Chris Hepler being the CEO of Bioware
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>>130582221
5 star post nigga
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>>130582609
>Yes they are. They're saying this shit takes away resources that could've been used to improve the game.
People may be saying that but it is a different argument entirely. The main argument of anyone who has ever heard of this shit is that the game industry doesn't need people who don't like games working on said games and it also doesn't need a fast forward through gameplay button because that defeats the purpose of it being a game to begin with. There is a flaw in the logic of anyone who thinks it's ok because people don't purchase game systems to experience stories, they do it for gameplay. Every person who purchases a game system is doing it because they want to play games. There may be a very small minority of rich fucks who buy a 300$ machine to watch netflix or blu rays but that is not enough to justify a fast forward button and even if it were, they are clearly not buying 60$ games just to view the story. Another reason why it is bad is because the industry is continually simplifying games to a more casual audience. This isn't a slippery slope fallacy. This shit is actually happening NOW. Games are becoming increasingly less about gameplay and more about facebook and marketability to soccer moms and 3 year old children. This, once again, defeats the purpose of games to begin with.
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>>130583272
Fuck you , wanna see the bitch miscarriage.
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>>130583091
Except DLC was highly profitable.
So far this idea shows no signs of popularity.

And we can be as paranoid about the future as we want, but we'll never know. And it's stupid to bring something up as a point in an argument like that, when we don't even know if it will happen 6 years later.
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>>130583272
The only reason it got worse in the first place is because she decided to have a meltdown on twitter. She could have decided not to pick a fight with the internet, and that would have been better for everyone.

>before it gets any worse
Oh no, not worse! I can't imagine how awful it would be for gaider to have a meltdown on twitter and start calling neckbeards dickless wonders or...something.

I hope it gets worse. The stupid shit flinging on both sides is funny.
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The downfall of Bioware.
Started with Dragon Age 2, start sinking with TOR, reached the bottom with Mass Effect 3.
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>>130574753
...but Titanic was good...
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>>130583559
>Except DLC was highly profitable.
>So far this idea shows no signs of popularity.

Really? You don't think trying to appeal to a mass audience by dumbing down the barrier of entry and making the gameplay in games optional is going to be popular or profitable? \

>We don't know the future you're just paranoid

Oh give it a rest already.
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>>130583474
Except consols aren't far games solely anymore, sadly enough.

And I do understand what you're saying. The idea itself even I found odd, but there's obviously a niche market out there who do. Or maybe they play their kids consol they bought for them from time to time. Whatever the case is.

This option took little to know time to implement, I'm sure. And it won't affect Normal Mode's experience. So why bother getting so damn upset over it?

Just why?
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>>130582764
It's damaging the industry right now as we speak. People didn't suddenly start hating this broad spontaneously. She fucked up and as a result people started hating her. If fucking up a game isn't damage then I don't know what is. And if she continues to be a part of games she will no doubt cause more damage.
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>>130573751
>>130573751
>>130573751

This post should have ended the thread. What is there to discuss?
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>>130583746
No, sorry my comment might have been oddly phrased.

I meant DLC was profitable and people bought it, so it caught on.

This Hepler idea seems to just appease a very small niche, and shows no signs of catching on.
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>>130583947
Apparently, if opinions can be right or wrong.
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>>130583569
>I hope it gets worse. The stupid shit flinging on both sides is funny.

I've been busy laughing my ass off since this whole thing started. I haven't had much time to even play vidya thanks to you guys.
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>>130583841
>And it won't affect Normal Mode's experience. So why bother getting so damn upset over it?
Again, it's an "option" so it's exempt from critical scrutiny.
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>>130583841
Because, like pretty much everything this gen, it pushes games in a direction that they don't need to be going in. A direction that alienates everyone who has played games since the 80s and 90s. It's just another turd to be added onto the huge shitpile that is this gen.
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>>130583894
I'm not saying her writing is good. I don't think we even know which parts of games she wrote....

But either way, how fuck? What other game is implementing this idea badly? It's not even ruining Mass Effect 3 for fucks sake.

It's a god damn option, why don't you people understand that? How will an option ruin a game? Tell me.

>Takes time to develop and implement that option
I'm sure it took years and a million dollars to disable damage in ONE mode.
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>>130584393
Her shitty writing is being held up as a good example.

Games that sell well influence other games. WoW, Modern Warfare, and Gears of War are excellent examples of how this is a bad thing.
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>>130584186
>It's a god damn option
The only time a game, content or mode should come under critical scrutiny is when it is mandatory.
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While technically opinions cannot be wrong the major problem is the people that use this defense of "well that is my opinion" have run out of reasonable things to argue for their side and this is tantamount to a child saying "nuh-uh infinity plus 1." It has no meaning other than to say You can't possibly tell me I am wring about my opinion even if I have no valid reasons for having that opinion.

Whats more is that people cannot distinguish between just liking something even if you know it is bad and the opinion defense.

Example: I like enter the matrix, I had fun with it but it is a piece of dog shit and I know it.
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>>130584259
How will it alienate you if you don't choose the option?
How will it change the direction of Mass Effect 3, or the industry in general if even in the game where the idea was originally implemented in, was implemented really shallow-y and they obviously only added it in because it would be easy and allow more people to enjoy their game.
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>>130584485
You don't have to play the game. It's an option. Therefore nothing falls under critical scrutiny.
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>implying that the publisher can't charge whatever they want
It's a business, they will sell it at a price point they can get away with.
Agree with the rest though
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>>130570964
apparently you can't judge a game, review it or talk about it unless you're a "professional"
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>>130572359

brilliant!
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I did not participate in the argument, and I don't intend to.
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>>130584589
Pretty much. I guess we can't complain about games anymore because playing them is an option.
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>>130584536

Except for some reason everyone is ignoring my plethora of other points and saying that "Opinions can't be wrong" is my only argument.

I've given so many other reasons as to why Story-mode is harmless to the game AND the industry.

>>130584485
>>130584186
I agree completely.
Finally the logical people begin rearing their heads.
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>>130584754
Neither have I but I hate the opinion defense. So I felt like saying something about it.
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>>130584839
was not referring to you but the opinion defense in general. haven't been following the argument.
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>>130584767
>>130584589
No that guy was talking about GAME CONTENT only.

Not games in general.
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>>130584812
2/10 too veiny wouldn't suck.
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>>130584393
She cites Twilight as high literature on which she bases her own writing. If that isn't evidence enough she was responsible for the worst part of Dragon Age: Origins and also for the backlash DA2 received. The option to skip gameplay is a terrible idea that doesn't follow through logically because no one would be playing a video game to begin with if they don't like games. Another option to dumb down games even further, even if it is easy to implement and doesn't effect the game's other modes, is still harmful to the industry as a whole. We also don't need people who don't like video games working on video games when there are much more passionate people out there who could do better.
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>>130584883
EXCEPT THEY'RE ONLY DUMBING DOWN ONE MODE OF THE GAME

A MODE WHICH IS OPTIONAL
A MODE IN WHICH THE INDUSTRY HAS TAKEN NO NOTICE OF AND WILL PROBABLY NOT INCLUDE IN MANY OTHER GAMES.
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>mfw I am le taking le blame
>le voldemort face

keep up the good work, /v/irgins
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>>130584393
>>130584581

It becomes a problem when games start being designed around "options" like no-gameplay mode. It gives the developer an excuse for poorly designed combat. "Well if you don't like the game, just play it in story mode".

Not saying that Mass Effect 3 suffers from that, but they are setting the trend.

>>130584608
>It's a business, they will sell it at a price point they can get away with.

And I have a right to not buy it at the nickel & dime price they sell it at. But they can't come and complain when people pirate their shit or buy used because of it.
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>She cites Twilight as high literature on which she bases her own writing
>She cites Twilight as high literature on which she bases her own writing
>She cites Twilight as high literature on which she bases her own writing
>She cites Twilight as high literature on which she bases her own writing
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>order a handmade table from a carpenter
>the table looks like shit one leg is too short
>make a new one or i wont buy it
>dev makes a shitty game call him out on it
>YOU LIKE OUR GAME? FUCK YOU FUCKING GAMER ENTITLEMENT
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My favorite part which Biodrones fail to address is how last week EVERYONE was justifiably mad at Bioware for NOT including gamepad support, but oh, there will be relationshit, homosex and storymode.

THAT'S how a company which is killing gaming uses resources, bravo.
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>>130585203
>And I have a right to not buy it at the nickel & dime price they sell it at. But they can't come and complain when people pirate their shit or buy used because of it.

Well yeah, just don't buy it then but it hardly justifies piracy.
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>You can only critcize something if it's mandatory
>I agree completely

So basically you're a fucking retard.
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>>130585241
>for NOT including gamepad support

coming soon, only $39,95!
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>>130584960
>GAME CONTENT

Well, it's an option to play the game at all. You can just watch a lets play or something. Maybe observe your friend playing it. You don't have to play a game, therefore, it's optional, and cannot be criticized.

To be blunt, I'll criticize options if I fucking want to. If something is fucking retarded, I'll say so, even if I'll never touch it. Because it should be said, no, I don't fucking like this. If no one speaks up, and the game sells well, it might spread to other games. I'm not about to ignore something simply because it's 'optional'.
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>>130584883
>>130585129
Also some people enjoy storylines for games, more so or equally as much as gameplay.

I've already addressed this point so please stop repeating it.
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>>130585372
It pretty much does. There's a reason piracy is so rampant in South America and Eastern Europe where game prices are 3x as much as they are here in the states
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>>130585334
Yes but his point was in a different context, so only apply that point in the context he was raising.

And I'm not saying don't not like it. I don't like it. Therefor I won't choose it.

I'm just saying I don't know why you guys are over-exagerating the effects of this mode soooooo much it's literally ridiculous. Mostly all of your hate is made off of speculation that this mode will become mandatory and spread to every game in every genre out there. Even when the industry shows signs and has been for a while that they don't care too much for stories.
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>>130585129
STOP REPEATING THAT. NO ONE GIVES A FUCK. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THIS SHIT IN A MEDIUM THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT REWARDING SKILL. IT'S A SIGN OF THE TIMES AND HOW FAR THE INDUSTRY HAS FALLEN FOR LETTING THIS SHIT FLY. NO ONE IS GOING TO BUY THIS GAME BECAUSE OF IT, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WILL USE IT ARE GAMER GUUUURLS PLAYING IT ON THEIR BF'S XBOX. THAT ISN'T EVEN A FUCKING SALE. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO JUST PLAYING EASY MODE? WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO MARKET GAMES TO PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE PLAYING GAMES? NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE AND YOU'RE AN IDIOT FOR DEFENDING IT. IF YOU WANT TO BE INVINCIBLE THEN BUY A FUCKING GAMESHARK.
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>>130584960
The same logic applies to both.

Not being forced to do something? No opinions allowed.
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>>130585380
CRITICAL SCRUTINY

Not criticism in general you fuckwad.
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>>130585241
>My favorite part which Biodrones fail to address is how last week EVERYONE was justifiably mad at Bioware for NOT including gamepad support, but oh, there will be relationshit, homosex and storymode

And they even tried to excuse themselves. "Hurr limited time, there was no time for us to do it, besides ME 2 didn't have it either!".

Fuck Bioware.
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>>130585574
>Yes but his point was in a different context

No I really wasn't. Saying a game's content is optional so you can't criticize it is the same as saying the game itself is optional so you can't criticize it.

>Mostly all of your hate is made off of speculation that this mode will become mandatory and spread to every game in every genre out there.

Again, this "just speculation" defense was used for DLC and codes packaged with new games back before they were the norm.
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>>130585740
Too busy working on day 1, 30 and 60 DLC.
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>CRITICAL SCRUTINY
>Not criticism in general

Confirmed retarded.
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Sometimes i think people here forget they aren't posting on 4chan when browsing other webpages.

Not defending her work, but if you want to show your displeasure about it, you can think of millions other ways to show it besides acting like dog would: snarling and barking at something it doesn't likes.

>Hepler has been called "cunt", "slut", and "whore". She's been criticized for her gender, her appearance, and her religion. Attacks on her have referenced Hitler, bestiality, rape, murder, cannibalism, and prostitution.

Don't ever try to justify acting like this.
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>>130585596
Do you not understand context you moron? The same logic can be applied, yes. But the point wasn't made to apply to that aspect, only to game content.

I think I'll just stay on /vg/. It's where all the good posters and video game players went. The well adjusted ones anyways,
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>>130585935
Game content?

Okay. You don't have to experience the content. You can just sit there on the start menu. Forever. actually playing the game is wholly optional. No one is forcing you to.
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>I think I'll just stay on /vg/. It's where all the good posters and video game players went. The well adjusted ones anyways,
>LoL Tripfag Generals
>SC2 Koreaboo Generals
>FTG Generals
>KS FEEL Generals
>GW2 Generals w/ Tera fanboy shitposters

And you call me the moron? Fucking irony how does it work?
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>>130585924
>Attacks on her have referenced Hitler, bestiality, rape, murder, cannibalism, and prostitution.

Everything is fake and gamespot being jewlovers.

Literally, everything.
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>>130585884
Confirmed troll, will not answer to you anymore.

>>130585771
I'm sure the poster meant critical scrutiny as in things that are bad about the game that you WILL have to face. IE bad dialogue, poor mechanics ect ect.

Something that is optional can be criticized, but how can you say it is a key point in the game being terrible if it's not even mandatory?
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>>130585924
I'll justify it all I want you pussy. Never heard of sticks and stones? If you put yourself out here and fuck up people will call you out on it. That's the way of the world. Happens to celebrities all the time and this bitch can't handle a little namecalling on twitter? Please.

Stop contributing to the ruination of our species. If someone can't handle namecalling then they are weak and will either die or be pushed down into obscurity by the stronger members of the species. Fighting this fact will only cause stagnation and obscure progress.

Also, this "hurrr customers being entitled!?!?!?" shit is fucking retarded. What happened to the cutsomer is always right? These fuckers think they can just brush off those who are not happy with their product and say that we are self entitled? What kind of fuckery is that? If you are a company then the customer is entitled to the best product you can make and if it's not the best then you deserve criticism and hate.
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>>130585924
But you don't understand, I only call her misogynyst names because she's a bad writer, so SHE is the real misogynyst, really. Yes I happen to think women at large are casuals dumbing down vidya and should stay out of it but I'm not a misogynyst. When girls make their presence in games known by purposefully speaking in a high-pitched voice, they're vapid cunts that deserve whatever bad happens to them.
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wow how much did gaider pay for this article? didn't I just see a screenshot of gaider's twitter where he is talking about "gamer's entitlement" and 2 days latter gamestop writes an article with the same title
INCEPTION
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>>130586153
>Mentions a couple of threads
>Yup that's all that's posted on /vg/

You're points are terrible, stop trying. I see more video game acceptance and discussion there than I EVER have on /v/.
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>>130586350
>Customer is always right

That's wrong, you sack of shit. The wording these days is "The customer is always important."
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>>130585924
>Don't ever try to justify acting like this.

It's the internet. If you were expecting anything less, you're in denial.

Also people have been barred from expressing their "displesure" with Bioware's writing through the usual channels like their message boards. Everyone who has attempted to give negative feedback has either been met with a ban or openly mocked.
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>>130586473
No, THAT'S wrong. Whatever is going on THESE DAYS is wrong.
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I hear that Hamburger "cuntslutwhore420" Helper raped, murdered, and ate hitler's dog in exchange for money.
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>>130586350
Hi. You seem to have misunderstood his basic point. Let me explain to you in terms you can understand, okay? If you use misogynyst attacks on her, you're justifying her up-until-then hollow cries of sexism. See, was it so difficult?
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>Fags saying /v/ took it too far
>/v/ only called her out on the fact that she's a stupid cunt who can't write for shit
>/v/ called EA/BW on it's DLC bullshit
>PEople still think this is about her gender, her appearance, and her religion
WELP, I guess this marks the day I stopped caring about bidya gaymz.
I honestly don't care if we ARE right, anymore. The videogame industry is getting targeted towards casuals more and more every day. Much like the rest of the Internet, it's getting commercialized because greedy faggots IRL care more about their precious priiiize than actual quality.
I know this is going to make me sound redditarded, but I honestly don't want to live on this planet anymore.
These last few years have made me ashamed to know that I am of the same species as these people.
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>>130584393
her idea of skipping gameplay is utterly retarded

how will you skip the gameplay of a gta game? how will you skip the gameplay of a strategy game?

that woman is out of her mind

easy mode is there for people like her

she should not bring up her retarded inbred baby in the discussion, being pregnant gives you more time to play than ever

she is just plain retarded, she must have had gaider as a mentor or something
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>>130586241
>Confirmed troll, will not answer to you anymore.
>I'm sure the poster meant

Guess what faggot? You're replying to the same person who made those I'm sure the poster meant points in the first place.

Oh and I was reffering to EVERYTHING the game encompass, including bad things that are OPTIONAL.

>Something that is optional can be criticized
When your response to criticism is "it's optional" you're implying otherwise.

But go ahead, don't reply to this and keep being a whiny bitch like the baby you are.
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>>130586810
You first. "It's optional" is not a valid defense for game elements that are criticized.
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>>130586142
The entirety of the games content. Stop making points to be cheeky.
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>>130586697
Would have been great if he said that.

From now on, let's keep to unisex insults, then.
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Does anyone have the screencap of the bioware employee or whatever telling nate he needs proof that his family is in danger to take some link down?
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>>130586697
Yet there are women out there who are left the fuck alone and do a good job to boot! Let her cry sexism all she wants. The world knows that the real issue is how terrible she is at her job.
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>>130586775
To be honest this thread was a huge clusterfuck and I don't even know what you're referring to anymore.

And I don't even get what you're trying to say. Word it a bit better please.
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>>130586871
And critisms are only a persons view on the matter. They're not right, and they're not wrong and they only really matter to devs. I don't care if you critize it, that doesn't make it "wrong" for everybody and that's what I'm trying to say.
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I believe we're all missing a the most important point in all of this:

If you do not enjoy gameplay;
DON'T PLAY VIDEO GAMES!
Read a book. Watch a movie. Listen to music. There are many, numerous things you can do to get narrative and story without gameplay. GAMES is not one of them.

Do NOT come up to me, in my hobby, video GAMES, and whine that there is GAMEplay in GAMES!
What in the fuck did you expect?! Are you fucking retarded? Do you fuck your mother?
I think that all books should have puzzles and some elements of gameplay, as I want some gameplay or interactivity to go along with my narrative.
Should I be reading BOOKS for this? No. I'd play A GAME. WITH GAMEPLAY. FOR GAMEPLAY.
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>hepler makes a twitter
>finally a way to voice your opinion
>voice opinion against hepler's writing and credentials
>thousands of women waddle to their computer while wrapped in their snuggy's drinking chai tea
>thousands of women defend hepler even though they are clueless to the argument "We ARE Woman Hear us Roar"
>some woman that works for gamespot writes an article using big words
>hepler is now the queen of working women
what the hell just happened?
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>>130587386
What happened is that /v/ went full retard and thought attacking her would get them somewhere.
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>>130587253
You're fuck. Axioms are things widely accepted even if there is no objective mathematical evidence supporting them. Flaws fall under two categories:
1. Real, legitimate flaws that are disruptive to gameplay and consistency. These can be glitches, plot holes, bad script, graphical errors, terrible level design, flawed game mechanics.
2. Aspects that only certain groups of people find to be flaws. These include difficulty levels (too easy, too hard), story content, lack of story, etc.

I'm not int his argument either way but I had to point out your wrongness.
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>>130587663
It obviously got somewhere if there are articles being written about it. Just because someone writes a biased article doesn't mean the majority agrees with said article. Just look at the comments on gamespot. Most are in favor of attacking Hepler.
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How hard is it to ignore Bioware and just not buy their games /v/?

The best way to make bioware and the rest of the industry know you mean business is to hit them in their pocketbooks. If you don't like the way they are doing their writing or game making in general then stop supporting them and move on.

Remember /v/ video games is a luxury not a necessity.
Bioware needs gamers more than you need them.
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>Hepler has been called "cunt", "slut", and "whore". She's been criticized for her gender, her appearance, and her religion. Attacks on her have referenced Hitler, bestiality, rape, murder, cannibalism, and prostitution.

Requesting screenshots of each one!
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>>130588018
The issue stems from the fact that /v/ can't make them take a big enough hit to their profits.
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>>130588018
Us not buying their games is not going to stop the millions of other tards who see the advertisements in gamestop and will spend money on their bullshit. Stop saying this shit already.
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>>130588182

Apparently we're worth -something- since so many of them v|rial here.
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>>130587883
I don't know what I thought I said, but I made you think something else...I think...

Either way whatever my words may be and if I used them incorrectly my point still stands. I'm not saying you can't criticize something, I'm just saying it can't be critical (Flaw #1) scrutiny if you're not even force-ably faced with it.
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>>130588182

So /v/ should whine and moan like some used whore?

They need to get over it already, bioware wants Jennifer Helper more than do they gamers and they are willing to stand by her.

So /v/ should do the same, take their hard earned money (inb4 lol hard earned) and find another game from another competitor and go with them instead. They may not be able to create a big enough dent in bioware's pockets but they can at least stir enough interest in something else.
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>Denis Dyack is an asshole
>Makes bad games
>Everyone mocks him
>EVERYONE
>Even press is tired of him
>Companies dies because he makes deal for shitty game with Activision


>Hamburger Helper contributes to bad games
>Called out
>plays women victim card

I'll admit, some of the comments are insane, but that's the Internet.

I haven't made a single thing to bother her or Bioware, but I'm not bothered by people who do so, as as long as the comments are valid and substantiated.
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I am a Boidrone and I'm happy to admit it. If they put something in the games that you so adamantly choose to hate, with little reason to do so, then just don'y but it. You're free to hate it all you want, there's no law that says you can't have an opinion, even if someone says it's wrong. It's their opinion that your opinion is wrong. I for one am excited for Story Mode, simply because it will allow me to enjoy what looks to be my favorite game of the year by letting me focus more on the story of the game. I'll play Action mode the second playthrough.

Doees it offend you? The very thought of someone doing the very thing you hate most, and doing it willingly? You sirs ust be quite mad.
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>>130588701
>I don't know what I thought I said, but I made you think something else...I think...
Duuuude hwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
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>Reccomend her book in the GS comments
>Instantly deleted.

HAHAHA holy shit, they know how awful it is.
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