Well /pol/, like the title says what do you think, is it feasible or not?Last thread:>>107803909
Is the britbong still here who I was arguing with in the last thread? Our arguing got cut cold, it's your turn m8
>>107818051Mining minerals from space would add copious amounts of resources to our supply; accelerating our progress as a species. Rare minerals such as gold and platinum will become cheaper, in turn making technology cheaper to develop and produce.
>>107818431This is pretty much what I think too. And to add insult to injury, we have currently movies that have bigger budgets than what we are using on space exploration. Why is that?
At present, it costs more to move stuff out in to orbit and back than whatever minerals of value there are to mine in space.
>is it worth it?Abso-fucking-lutely. The asteroid belt rocks are made up of the same shit that built Earth, so there would be tons of precious metals that we could mine. It's gonna be a new age California gold rush.>is it feasible?Yes, but there are many obvious dangers. The good news is that there's a lot of really smart people being funded by a lot of super rich fuckers who want to be the first out there.We have a hotel mogul who has developed pods that can be on their own, or connect to other pods to build structures, that people can live in out of space. On a planet, in orbit, or whatev. Then with Trump, we have an incoming president that is going to take the reins off of NASA so to speak. Right now about 90% of what NASA does is point shit BACK at Earth. It's mostly defense stuff, very little exploration. Trump plans to change this and let them be the explorers they were founded to be. And the other thing Trump plans to allow is MORE working with the private sector, which will be fantastic. By allowing these greedy billionaires in, it only speeds everything up.
>>107818737>>107818431>Society collapsing on earth >Dude why don't we just like mine in space and get like infinite resources manDelusional space fag. Make sure to sign up for Mars colonization so you faggots can go die as far as way possible
>>107819067Society isn't collapsing for the 20%.
>>107818431Transportation, mining and upkeep costs of the whole operation would be so expensive that the price for gold and other shit would still be high as fuck.
>>107819025>By allowing these greedy billionaires in, it only speeds everything up.So much this, since money seems to be the best motivator for these kinds of projects, space exploration should've been open for business a long time ago>>107819067So lets use resources and time and effort for gibmedat programs instead? How would you save society then?
>>107819603Still, only a money issue
>>107819893more of a technology issue.
>>107819982Improving tech takes investments and effort does it not?
We just need to stop being such pussies and stop spending years thinking about every minute detail. 100 manned space flights a year on janky ass vessels is better than one every 2 years.
>>107820605We won't be launching missions to mine, or explore, from Earth. We will have a hub outside of Earth's atmosphere to reduce the amount of fuel needed. Leaving Earth's thick atmosphere is hard.As soon as we have the hub, it'll all take off from there.
>>107820305you got to throw many billions at it and it will take many many years/decades until you see some return in investment.>>107820605not a smart move tyrone. safety first.
>>107818051Oh yeah. Absolutely feasible. Maybe 50 years or so. Check the news about this one asteroid. It's worth more than all humanities wealth. We still have a ton a materials here but eventually we'll develop the tech to make it work. We'll do shit like put Ceres in lowish earth orbit and spin it to add gravity on the inside and mine it It's just a matter of time really. We'll find a gold or platinum astroid and bam
>>107818051In the future it's going to be necessary. We have a finite amount of resources on this rock. For now it isn't really practical to be bringing it here, I'd assume. Other than some super rare materials that may be useful. I think the benefit of space mining/refining will be for space infrastructure itself. I'm very excited to see what sort of neat processes people come up with on how to actually refine/process raw materials in zero/low g and a vacuum.
>>107820605NASA has been coasting since the late seventies barely doing shit to be honest. The new rocket system is trash. Elton musk will build rockets that size in 2 years 1/3 the cost and reusableWith Amazon and musk plus Google getting into the space game we have a new space race Like 100lb per pound in low earth orbit will be here in 5 years or less shit
>>107821008Im not saying that its cheap or easy, but my original question was that is it worth all the trouble?>>107821254Currently its expensive to leave earth in the first place, but then again it was expensive to buy a car in 1890
Will Trump give NASA the budget that it needs so they can go after this discovery?
>>107821254We won't have to. You could spin Ceres up to the point where you could dig tunnels and up would down because of the centrifugal force creating like .23 gs MaxThe expanse explains it. Ceres structure is one of rocks that are melted together so they would hold together under that force on the surface. It's interesting stuff. The books say .3 gs but some nerd at mit said .23 gs Max
>>107821063>We'll find a gold or platinum astroid and bamand BAM what?I don't think it would help the economy or Humanity at all.
>>107821817Meet falcon heavy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_Heavy3-6 months away 500$ Leo by 2019 Will be reusable
>>107821995You think finding a shit ton of precious metals like gold isn't good for humanity....They use gold for other things than jewelry kraut bro. It's extremely useful. Imagine gold being a plentiful as let's say aluminum
>>107821817>is it worth all the trouble?Lets say the US gets their Golden Asteroid or any other rare earth mineral from space, will they be able to sell it for a profit on the market?why should for example Germany buy your expensive space mineral if they can get it from china for way less?if you sell it not for profit you're not making any money and its a loss.>>107822421>Imagine gold being a plentiful as let's say aluminumHow wouldn't this totally fuck the gold market and currencies around the globe?
We should be concerned with obsolete satellites in orbit and retrieving those for parts and material.
>>107819067>go die as far as way possibleYeah, kinda the point
>>107822913Why wouldnt USA undercut China?
>>107823171because the chinks pay their workers like 15 cents per day to dig around extracting minerals.how expensive would be 1 ton of any mineral from space compared to 1 ton of the same mineral extracted from earth?
>>107822913There is only limited amount of rare earth minerals on earth, and higher technology pretty much relies on these minerals. For example the US could only use their shiniest toys in a total war for 18 months and then the resources would be gone. Should we wait for some asteroid to hit the earth to get more? Scavenge the steaming shitpile to see if something could be recycled?
>>10781805Yes..It would be machine doing the work out there and not gold but platinum and palladium would bring the bred home.
>>107823497Might as well dump the money into Graphene research and production.>Graphite is everywhere on earth so dirt cheap>better than steel>can be used to produce batterys and electronics
>>107821817>Currently its expensive to leave earth in the first placeThe majority of that cost is just getting materials up there. Think about it if you've got abundant materials to work with.>>107821885I've read about that, and that's basically harvesting/extracting raw materials. I'm talking about refining/forging/machining. All will be novel processes developed specifically for space.
>>107819982Not really.The only major costs involved in mining asteroids is the costs inherent in launching an unmanned probe with a fuel supply and a thruster with sufficient DeltaV to move the asteroid into near-earth orbit.This could be mitigated greatly by building a lunar shipyard to construct and re-fuel vessels on their way out to re-direct asteroids.The lunar soil is rich in the elements needed to manufacture steel and rocket fuel.
>>107824738and thats already like several double digit billions and thats before even counting in the R&D costs.sure its probably doable but is it economic and will it lead PROFIT?if so how long will it take?
>>107818431Bu bu but muh profit!
>>107825139Even if it cost a trillion it would be worth it in the long-term. It would take decades to get a return on the investment though. Power companies already have that problem with starting up a nuclear reactor though, they don't see a return for a long damn time. So it's not like it's unheard of.
>>107818737Because movies make money and exploration doesnt
>>107818051Yea. It would be very dangourous initially due to fast particles and decompression and temperature issues. But if it does boom, it would also promote our space capabilities.
>>107818051Probably not, but fuck it why not
Not feasiable, current space travel is extremely expensive.
>>107818051The cost would be retarded, but we can do shit for free...if >we own everything thing.
>>107818051Yes, but the only way to make it cost effective would be to crash the entire asteroid into the earth in one go
>>107818051Yes yes fuck yes, send me first I'll minecraft that shit harder than a 12 year old on a porn binge
>>107825907"if", who the fuck knows if we even need gold and other rare earth stuff in the future, what if you're 40 years into your mining operation setup and somebody discovers a way to not depend on the minerals that you want to mine?thats probably the main risk for any investor.
>>107818051It's worth it, but you wont become filthy rich. You'll just saturate the market, because that asteroid is just full of some already cheap metals.And people won't have enough money or desire to but all the resources.
>>107818051Over 99% of the natural resources in the solar system are not on planet earth. We can stay earthbound and fight over the <1% or we can overcome our present limitations.
>>107827251True, but the point of getting raw materials out of our gravity well still exists, and always will exist unless we discover something that completely changes propulsion and energy storage. If that happens it's all null and void anyway, since a discovery of that magnitude will fundamentally change humanity itself.
>>107827811I heard Lockheed is already building Fusion Reactors that fit on a flatbed truck.http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.htmlIBM works on graphene chip that’s 10,000 times faster that our current stuffhttps://www.extremetech.com/extreme/175727-ibm-builds-graphene-chip-thats-10000-times-faster-using-standard-cmos-processesThese technologys should receive even more funding, just imagine a combination of both. Being able to build super fast computers and almost unlimited energy.I think when these take off then we reach the next step and only then Space Exploration/mining will be possibru.
>>107828511If the public knew about it, it's already obsolete. The only thing that tells you, is that there are better versions of those already.
>>107828938>tinfoil babbleif it would exist we would already live in the super future.do you have any idea how much money Lockheed would make by selling those everywhere?NOBODY could compete against it
>>107818051NoMineral prices have collapsed for over a decade now
>>107818051Mine rocks on the moon and launch them at this gay earth
>>107829201Yeah, classified stuff is hoax, anyway. Stupid tinfoil hatters.
>>107828511>Fusion Reactors that fit on a flatbed truck.Right. I'll believe it when I see it.
>>107829459It depends WHAT kind of stuff were talking about, obviously Military stuff gains a lot from staying classified (the moment of suprise etc.)But a small and portable Fusion Reactor? That shit would start a new age and Humanity would go places.
>>107829565>I'll believe it when I see it.This, they've been claiming Fusion is "right around the corner" for like 60 years now
>>107829565Was pretty widely reported last year irrc, breakout with a prototype is 10 years according to Lockheed
>>107829565well eventually we get there, question is how long will it take?If Lockheed fails with their shit then we still have ITER.>>107829968at worst its still like 30/40 years away. but i'm sure most of us will live til this day.
>>107829711I could list research papers that talk about the importance of "weaponizing space". Mining is not a priority at this point. We have vast swathes of unexplored deep ocean right here on this planet. Even if LM successfully built fusion reactor, it won't be used for the sole purpose of chasing after precision space metals.
>>107830681never said it would be exclusively used for Space stuff, but it would be so useful that it would change our technology level completely in just a couple of years.question is how long will it take for chinese and russians to step up.
>>107830984I've read somewhere that Japan is the only one that's capable (other than US) or close. Forget Russia. China maybe in the next 10 years.
>>107818051>is it worth it?What do you mean by "it", Peasant?
>>107832049if ITER turns out to be a success then they will have the tech.>As signatories to the ITER Agreement, the ITER Members China, the European Union, India, Japan, Korea, Russia and the United States will share of the cost of project construction, operation and decommissioning, and also share in the experimental results and any intellectual property generated by the project.
>>107832508With Obummer, you'll lose Russia. With the Don, you'll lose EU and China. I guess will have to wait for a president that's cool with all the members. I mean this is science it should be free from politics. The Russian were helping NASA and ESA in recent years for example.
>>107833193I think so far the ITER project wasn't affected by international politics but it also has not dropped any results.Everything is still under construction and behind schedule and eats more money than estimated.>https://www.iter.org/newsline/-/2618Just look at the current state of it.
Space mining is worth it, but not for manufacturing/production on earth. Instead it will be highly valuable for orbital production of spacecraft and space stations. Which in turn produce materials and products that can only be produced (or reliably produced) in micro-gravity environments. Like say, extremely high-performance computer chips or high-tech materials. Problem with bringing the Belt's riches down to Earth is the delta-v cost. It's just too much, not to mention dangerous. >Oops, we dropped a 500m diameter platinum asteroid on top of Beijing, obliterating the city. Sorry China!Also >Fusion rocketsFusion rockets are for pussy ass niggers. Real men use MOTHERFUCKING ORION DRIVES, RIDING A WAVE OF THERMONUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS.
>>107834797>Like say, extremely high-performance computer chips or high-tech materials. Its called Graphene and we can do it already on earth.currently there is no Industry that would profit from anything made in space.
>>107818051Not with current technology and probably not in our lifetime
>>107819603Yes, at first. But there are much more valuable things than gold up there, too.And as we streamline, we'll learn ways to lower costs. But those lessons likely will wait until we're up and running.Worst thing you can do is wait and do nothing because you haven't solved all the potential problems yet. Let me clue you: half the shit you're worried about will never even be a problem and half the shit that's gonna be a problem, you ain't even worried about. So don't worry so much.
>>107834797>Orion DrivesTHAT'S NOT A DRIVE WHEN IT IS A NUCLEAR WARHEAD DETONATING NEAR THE REAR OF YOUR VESSEL
>>107819067>long overdue for asteroid impact or other earth shattering extinction event>human race goes extinct because instead of investing in space exploration fags wanted to house and feed niggers
>>107834797I would say it's not worth it both for the risk and the fact that an asteroid rich in valuable minerals would crash the market on Earth.
>>107836370>But there are much more valuable things than gold up there, too.for example? what exactly would we need right now from there?>Worst thing you can do is wait and do nothingAnd best thing is actually doing the research for more important stuff.
>>107836726this anon gets its were fragile as fuck here on earth the faster we get to space the better our continuity chances
>>107837487and where should we go?
>>107818051We need to colonize space ASAPFuck profitability, the goverments of the world should spearhead the human spread into the Solar systemOne extinction event and it's all overWe have the techWe have the resources (and can mine more in space)We just need to go out there and start colonizing and terraformingReverse-engineering on Venus is probably more feasible than terraforming Mars since Venus has a better climate once the sulphuric acid has been dealt with compared with the atmosphere-lacking Martian climate
>>107818051Dead Space scenario when?
>>107838414>We have the techlol noall those people you send out will die from cancer
>>107838488Most of the speculation in this thread is just downright wrong. Asteroid mining could be 1-2 years away if we want it to be.It is already possible to build a space elevator:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qezLhypA0Y The key idea is the Orbital Ring version of the space elevator, not the geosynchronous tether concept you are familiar with.See, for example, Paul Birch's writings:http://www.orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-I.pdfThe orbital ring only requires tethers about 300 kilometers long which is technically feasible with common material like steel, but ridiculously straightforward with better and already available material like kevlar.
>>107839012There are some important questions. First, how much would it cost to do something like this?We need to send about 160 million kilograms of material into space (See Birch's boot strap estimates in part 2: http://www.orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-II.pdf)We have rockets available at $2000/kg costs to LEO today in "mass production" mode, which is only about 10-20 launches per year. Compared with the couple thousand launches necessary for a space elevator, $2000 is an unreasonably high upper bound for launch costs.We also need to include the cost of materials. A space elevator is about 98% steel and aluminum, 1% kevlar, and 1% other such as superconducting magnets. Most of the mass (98%) cost around $1/kg, with an average cost per kilogram of no more than about $10 per kilogram.Summing the above up, we get about $430 billion in launch costs plus another $1-2 billion in material costs.In other words, we can have a space elevator for less than $450 billion - significantly less than one year worth of DoD spending, one bank bailout, many times less than a variety of pointless wars, etc. This is well within our reach financially in other words.
>>107839074What do we get in return for this $450 billion investment?Virtually unlimited value. For example, with a space elevator we can reliably launch our nuclear waste into the sun. We've spent $100 billion building a waste repository in Nevada, but it was ultimately decided not to even use it. Now it costs only a dollar or two per kilogram to get rid of all of the nuclear waste in the world.Second, we have immediate access to viable asteroid mining industry. Because the cost of delivering payloads to LEO drops to about $1/kilogram, we can not retrieve asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of minerals for mere tens millions of dollars in addition to having an easy viable way of returning those resources back to the surface.We acquire the ability to deploy profitable solar power in orbit above cloud cover and with the ability to return said power back to the surface with near zero loss by running power transmission cables down the elevator.Just how profitable?With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.
>>107839113It should already be obvious that the entirety of the political debate spectrum is cointelpro.Are taxes too high or too low? Irrelevant, we don't actually need taxes.Is social spending bankrupting us? Irrelevant, we can retire the national debt without cutting spending all while having no tax whatsoever.What does this have to do with taking the red pill?We've had the technological ability to undertake such a project for decades.That means all the squabbling you have heard your entire life, money, debt, spending, taxes, scarcity, whatever, is all bullshit. Not only is it bullshit, anyone with rudimentary knowledge of the world has known that it is all bullshit for all of this time.In other words, once you come to understand the such a project is and has been technically feasible for decades, you have to reevaluate many things.Why is there nothing of this in the conspiracy media? They are not really trying to expose or solve any problems. One hundred percent of it is cointelpro. From the Young Turks to Infowars or whatever, they are all completely full of shit because solutions to our problems not only exist, are easy to carry out, but this has been the case for a very long time.Similarly, you now know that 20%+ annual GDP growth is possible. If Trump gives you 3-4% instead of Obama's 2%, he is simply working with the establishment to try to placate and subvert a rising tide. If we see the easily achievable 20%+ growth rates, it is at least possible that he isn't a subversive. Anything less and you know he is a fraud.
>>107837873everywhere we can go>a planet for farming >a planet for mining>a planet for comfy living>multiple planets for back up genetic stock for times of disasters>a planet for destroying>a planet for endless crusade reenactments>a planet for building temples to kek on the stars are ours son, we can have any amount we want and do what we want on them
>>107838414No, fuck humanity. It needs to die.
>>107838840Once you get a near-Earth production facility, you can manufacture spaceships with thicker hulls that protect against radtation. Lining our spaceships with half a meter of lead is prohibilitively expensive and difficult to launch, but super-easy to build in space. We need to get out there are start building and expanding
>>107818431it would take a loooong time to recover the $$$ from the investment, and that's is a nonobasically, it's risky, it's no man's land, and nobody is willing to risk it, especially now that the Jews are asserting global dominance
>>107818051>Space Mining worth itno>spice mining worth ithell yes
>>107818431what a fucking idiot
>>107835675No, there are some things that microgravity lends itself very well to. For example, perfect foam steel, exotic alloys, perfect ball bearings (this would be a big one). Growing protein crystals, thin-film epitaxy semiconductors, various nanoengineering applications etc.
>>107818051It's a requirement for long term space travel.Humanity will have to make the move eventually, for the good of the species.
>>107838840Muhammad please go
>>107819603>you'll never see this in your lifetimeWhy live?>the first successful space mining corp can afford to go through these like coffee paper in a decadeAh, yes, astrology, geology, and astrophysics degrees.
>>107836726Time to establish the Mars Congressional Republic.
>>107837873proxima centauri
>>107840111Sweden, nice trips but I don't trust a Swede within two AUs of Martian government.
>>107818051>FeasibleYes, but not for some time.People are gonna want a success rate as close to 100% as humanly possible before they start. I imagine most of us will be dead before space mining becomes a regular thing, though we might be lucky enough to see a few expeditions.
It's worth it even if it's not worth it.We are the only race that sees a distant location and says "I want to go there"-- not for profit, not for resources, not out of necessity. But for the sake of exploration itself.
Not any sort of scientist whatsoever but wouldnt mining the moon have disasterous effects on our tides? I dont even want to think about the snowball effect of shit that would occur if it did.
>>107839012>It is already possible to build a space elevator:debatable>Summing the above up, we get about $430 billion in launch costs plus another $1-2 billion in material costs.What about upkeep, personnel, R&D, maintenance?>>107839113>$5 trillion of solar panels into spacePlus the 10 trillion Production facility, R&D stuff, maintenance, personnel and upkeep costs....waste of time, money, ressources, for now>>107839619Graphene can do all that>>107840418even with project Orion it would take at least 1000 years to get there>>107839243What Planets? We only got dead moons, gas giants and hellholes like Venus.the other shit is way too far away
>>107818051I believe it.
>>107840604You will never survive space with that kind of attitude
>>107841233>to far awayif we start mining close to earth we will develop new techniques and have a soace R&D team on the go, just because something is hard now doesn't mean we shouldn't bother, with that attitude humans wouldn't have invented boats or planes or cars, we have to take that first step so we can refine our ideas and make the impossible happen, the only thing holding us back are people like you spouting MUH MONEY fuck the money son
It would be beneficial if the elements didnt have to be brough back to earth for use
>>107818051No. You'd just end up diluting the price of whatever you mined and brought back.
>>107839253Craaaawliiing in my skiiiiiiin
>>107840604Being a Martian has nothing to do with your nationality, gender, or sexuality. Which is why niggers and pooinloos can be Martians, because they reject the barbarism and savagery of their Earther counterparts.>>107841233>Graphene can do all thatGraphene is great, but it isn't a magical "apply here for perfection" material, you know.
>>107841988no the thing that holds us back is the immense distance between objects in space and the fact that we don't even understand half of the shit and how it works.for now we should concentrate on the goals that are actually achievable in a respectable time frame which is for example how to get way more energy more efficiently.
>>107818051Hopefully. It's the only thing that can save Capitalism and bring it into a new golden age.
In my next life i will be space miner.I'm going to hold any fucking raw diamond i see in my space suit pockets and eject myself into the nearest atmosphere
>>107842723>Graphene is great, but it isn't a magicalcompared to our current shit it is>Graphene is a transparent and flexible conductor that holds great promise for various material/device applications, including solar cells,[260] light-emitting diodes (LED), touch panels, and smart windows or phones.>Many other uses for graphene have been proposed or are under development, in areas including electronics, biological engineering, filtration, lightweight/strong composite materials, photovoltaics and energy storage.>This dispersion is supposedly suitable for advanced composites,[265][266] paints and coatings, lubricants, oils and functional fluids, capacitors and batteries, thermal management applications, display materials and packaging, solar cells, inks and 3D-printers’ materials, and barriers and filmsI mean just look at thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_applications_of_graphenethis technology will be very important in the future.and best, whatever we need to produce it, we have a fuckton of it already here on earth.
>>107821837He's egotistical enough to want to be the president who put men on Mars, so I've got a bit of hope.On the other hand, he's already got so much shit he promised to fund that an Apollo-style program for beyond LEO missions might be more than he can budget for. Shits expensive.
>>107844341according to some dude in this Thread the US can shit out a trillion for an orbital ring and build it in less than a year
>>107828511>I heard Lockheed is already building Fusion Reactors that fit on a flatbed truck.I'll believe that when I see it. At the moment I think it's just marketing.
>born too soon to be a space minerWho in joking even if I were born on 2200 I would still be living in this shithole. Kill me please.
>>107844571Lockheed Martin is a respectable Company and I don't think they're just saying bullshit.If it was too unrealistic I doubt they would even bother.
>>107844830I don't think people will do this job in space. They will probably use drones and control them from here.and if Fusion Power becomes a thing than even your shithole could manage to get back on track.
>>107842735i agree that does hold us back, for now, but the sooner we get stuck in the sooner we can overcome those obstacles, we just need to do it and refine shit as we goalso if were out in space nobbing around the likely hood will will bump into some ayys who have already got superior tech is much higher than if we try and figure it all out stuck on earth
>>107845110No this country is doomed for eternity we will never recover.And yeah I was going to post that shit will probably be done with drones anyway, probably not even manned machines just AIs.
>>107844868No, I mean they're likely massively overstating how near they are to achieving that technology.Just because they're funding some R&D for it doesn't mean it's round the corner in terms of practical application.Big aerospace companies do this a lot, it boosts their prestige, BAE built a fully autonomous hunter-killer drone just to show that they could. Doesn't mean that's going to be rolled out to airforces in the next 10 years.All I'm saying is don't get overexcited about these sorts of things whilst they're still in development. If Lockheed Martin succeed in building a portable fusion reactor, the US military will be using them for at least 20 years before they become widespread in civilian markets. That's the time to get excited.
>>107845304>will bump into some ayys who have already got superior techThat's not really something we want to happen....>“An Outside Context Problem was the sort of thing most civilisations encountered just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop.”
>>107818051>, is it feasible or not?No, Moon is a light orb. There is literally nothing we can mine, we couldn't even reach it if we tried.
>>107845884I think when people talk about mining they refer more to make some sort of route between earth and the asteroid belt.Note, most asteroids are pretty fucking far away and most of them just have ice.
>>107846280there is a dome at about 70 miles high so in either case the answer is No. Not withstanding the fact that space doesn't even exist.
>>107847068>Space doesn't existFuck off.
>>107819067and we're not inviting you or your faggot offspring. your history can die on this rock
No because we have everything we need right here on earth, and the dome wont let you into outer orbit.
>>107822229>Cost per launch $90M for up to 8,000 kg to GTOalso, rocket-propulsion is rough on the environment. we need to move towards the space elevator tech pipeline
>>107847184Wrong flag shill.
Space mining is going to be fucking awesome.
>>107818051You fell for the science fiction lie. We can never leave this planet.
>>107847363This. It's a giant hoax.
>>107847184It doesn't.
>>107848073Prove it.
You know most stormiefags are low IQ retards when they even deny basic science because of the j00s.
>>107818431Spending billions of dollar to get a thousand dollars worth of supplies doesn't seem like a good idea.
>Send my 3d printer to Asteroid-4975823>3d printer prints drill bits, scoops and mini processing plant>3d printer prints a parts assembler>parts assembler assembles processing plant and begins drilling>using mined material, 3d printer prints the components for a much larger 3d printer>3d printer/assembler fires its macro-clone at Asteroid-4975823+1>3d printer/assemblers begin chewing through the asteroid belt>Process accelerates and now the 3d printers demand more matter>Planets become nothing but passing forms of matter to my galaxy spanning 3d printer army>Soon the printers are consuming stars, they have developed a networked conciousness and are constantly expanding>One day a far off relative of the original 3d printer stock falls accidently into a large piece f machinery and is crushed>Original 3d printer network is informed and begins a violent war on this techno-offshoot>profit?
>>107848523Earth's flat, horizon at eyes' level, no drop visible at 128,000 feet high
>>107839012Why is poo and a computer reading this?
>>107849291Flat earth shitposter should really be banned on sight, it's not even fun shitposting.
>>107849452Truth doesn't fear questions. Are you afraid of something? and why are you hiding behind a proxy like a parasite?
>>107818431Still not economically viable.Same reason solar/wind is dog shit. It's not economically viable yet.In order to make it valuable, the easier and more powerful energy sources need to enter scarcity or be regulated out of the market.
>>1078492653D printers aren't magic nanobots Prince Faggot.
>>107848681Who are you to call other people low IQ retards when you are part of one of the worst countries in the world?
>>107848681I'm surprised you have internet commie. Are you eager for your free helicopter ride?
Maybe you should go outside for once and watch the fucking moon.http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream/theaterhttps://spotthestation.nasa.gov
>>107850293Someone that isn't a low IQ retards. Hit a nerve? >>107850567Not a commie.
>>107850578Meant for>>107849609
>>107849609>Venus - orb>Digital zoom/telephoto lens>Thinks it disproves Venus' phasesHoly shit you must be genuinely retarded if you think that webm is showing anything meaningful. Step 1) Get a 80-100mm refractor telescopeStep 2) Observe Venus Step 3) Write down observationsStep 4) Continue for two monthsYou fucking retards could actually learn something if you ACTUALLY observed the night sky, but nooooooooooooo, instead you take whatever shitty footage/argument you can find
>>107850912>>107850819>>107850578>10 posts by this commieAnd more to come!
>>107851066You should instead contribute to the topic or gtfo butthurt stormnigger. There is white nationalism and there is being retarded, flat earth fags and space deniers are the latter. Not everything is a j00s conspiracy.
>>107851437>flat earth fags and space deniers are the latter. Not everything is a j00s conspiracy.Ironically they're playing into the Jew's conspiracy by trying to convince people of a flat earth / non existence of space, which diverts attention away from the economic and geo-political conspiracies.
>>107836726>spacefags honestly believe humans can avoid extinction by living in pressurized tin cans.I really wish you people could see how ridiculous you sound. We can't even build sustainable self-contained environments on earth, and you seriously think humanity is magically going to be able to not only construct them in space, but construct then robustly enough that they last until the end of time?Get fucking real.What kind of idiot thinks life on earth is fragile, but living in a rusting pressure vessel for generations is a reasonably secure existence?IF WE CAN'T EVEN GUARANTEE SURIVAL ON EARTH, AN ENVIRONMENT THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTION, WHAT HOPE DO WE HAVE TO SURVIVE IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT CAN CATASTROPHICALLY FAIL BECAUSE SOME SPACE JEW DIDNT WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO REPLACE THE O-RINGS ON SCHEDULE?
>>107853105It is doable but currently we lack a lot of knowledge to make it happen.
>>10785099390% of conspiracies can be disproven with a basic understanding of photography.
>>107818051People in this thread apparently don;t know about muh automation. it's odd that german poster >>107819603isn't looking at this route either. here on earth, a solid 50 years away from actually being able to send a large enough drone to mine the asteroids, and we've already created fully automated oil rigs, highly automated shaft mining processes, etc. this trend is only accelerating. if most mining wasn't done in cheap manual labor situations like in China or Africa, it would probably advance even faster.Plus, mining doesn't necessarily mean mining the asteroid belt - the moon has several major deposits of water and simple hydrocarbon volatiles, in addition to a shitload of helium-3, all of which might be very necessary for space travel. if you could start mining the moon, then suddenly supporting space travel in orbit become very cheap and much simpler. it is also likely that the moon hold industrially useful minerals that could be used for orbital manufacturing of larger ships and drones. once you take fuel production and drone manufacturing off of the surface of the earth, cost for these things drops by literally two orders of magnitude. then, sending a drone fleet out the asteroid belt, carrying inflatable "pods" with enough fuel to ferry resources back to earth in multi thousand ton loads becomes very practical.Given the the asteroid belt is strongly suspected to carry heavy concentrations of the most valuable minerals on earth - think more rare earths than gold/silver/platnium group metals - this would be extremely profitable.
>>107849265I knew 3D printers were dangerous, fuck em.
>>107822229Still using manlet chemical engines, though. We need to look into getting a working Nuclear Thermal engine craft.If mass lift from the surface of Earth is going to be a thing, we probably want to put some serious money into developing some sort of laser-ablation launch system is feasible.
>>107853487>It's doableI'm sorry but I don't believe it. The sheer scale of the systems involved all but guarantee their inevitable collapse under the weight of their own complexity.It smacks of advocating treading water as a solution against drowning at sea when your ship sinks in the middle of the ocean.
>>107853651Or of optical illusions. Take a personal example. >Outside observing the night sky >Turn around and look above the ridge line behind me>See star "dancing", moving in an erratic motion (like your typical UFO description) >Swivel scope around and look at it>Star is sitting still >Look up from scope>Star appears to move erratically >Apply Brain.exeTurns that the bushes at the top of the ridge line were swaying slightly in the wind, which when looking at the star, made it look like the sky was moving, which my brain interpreted as "the star is moving". If I had been a conspiracy retard, I would've probably claimed that I had discovered a UFO and it was spying on me on behalf of the reptilians.>>107856026>Nuclear Thermal engineThose are for upper stages, not first/booster stages. If you want a badass rocket, look into metallic hydrogen rockets.
The main issue I have is fossils fuels, space exploration is so reliant on that, and we really don't have a better alternative at the moment. Not because climate change beliefs, I just think it's a shitty fuel we are stuck with.
>>107853105Things don't rust in space to start off you ignorant twat. Second; wouldn't a highly controllable habitat be much easier to live in? Plus, what do you think we search for new planets for? Fun? Plus researching new engines. How can you be so scientifically pessimistic, and thus, complete ignorant to the possibilities? Have fun finding your place in the dirt you fucking turnip farming nihilist
>>107855420once the technology problems are solved we will see>>107856173The ISS is manned since 5922 days without any major incident, and its a spacestation.Let technology advance a bit further and it gets easier and other projects might be possible.
I worked in the space industry from 1979 to 1996, so it's possible I'm out of touch, but I'd say this is fantasy. When we learn to build factories in space it might be worth it, but the cost of launching mining spaceships from Earth into space, travelling to the asteroid belt, matching orbits, mining the asteroid, getting it back to Earth and then down to the surface would be astronomical. Maybe in a hundred years. Meanwhile it's far cheaper to mine Africa.
>>107853105Not with that attitude.
>>107853105youre the kind of person who before the automobile said things like "A METAL HORSE? Get real! Impossible!"
>>107856782What about near earth asteroids though, that may be a start. The asteroid belt right I agree is science fiction tier.
>>107857098impossibru with chemical rocket bullshit
Gundams when?
>>107857098Science fiction is merely the early rough draft to science fact
>>107857297never because its obsolete technology
>>107853487>It is doable but currently we lack a lot of knowledge"lack a lot of knowledge" = NOT "doable"
>>107845391This. If you want something a bit closer, Los Alamos actually built one-megawatt Heat Pipe (fission) reactor which weighed in at just 493 kilograms.In 1965.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10AWe could, in all likelihood, do much better now.
>>107857636yes not doable right now but give it a few more decades and it will eventually become reality.
>>107827251Can you even into material sciences? Gold is an excellent conductor, and rare earth deposits will be nearly depleted by 2050, so you can kiss your pussy solar panels goodbye after they pass their 15 year lifespan.Gold used to be included in copper wiring to increase stability and conductivity, but now the cost is so high it's worth it to do cheaper wiring even though it gives off more emi. As far as cost is concerned, it will be high at first but as experience is gained and new problems are solved with new technologies, the growth rate of the sciences will worth it.Wtf I thought Germans were supposed to be smart, glad I'm half polish too.
>>107818051yes
>>107858201Graphene is superior material and as we germans would say its the "Eierlegendewollmilchsau".see >>107843440but what did I expect, you're just a pole who only can clean German toilets.Sad!
>>107856706>Things don't rust in space to start off you ignorant twat. They do if they encounter moist oxygen rich environments, ie. the earth like environment humans will need to recreate in space in order to survive.>Second; wouldn't a highly controllable habitat be much easier to live in? No.An environment where every aspect of your life is controlled would not be easier to live in.>search for planetsThat are unfathomable distances away. Meaning humanity needs to survive for hundreds of years in space in order to get there in the first place.
Does nobody remember the Ishimura?
>>107856432>Those are for upper stages, not first/booster stages. Fair, though they're useful soon enough in a launch that I tend to include them in the Surface-To-Orbit column anyway. The people working on NERVA estimated that they could have increased the throw-weight of the Saturn V by a factor of two or three with a NTR upper stage.They have the added advantage of being something of a proven quantity, at least in that working prototypes were built using technology which we have largely surpassed; you could potentially get the specific impulse up to 1,000sec or so with modern materials science.
>>107856710>The ISS is manned since 5922 days without any major incident, and its a spacestationThe ISS cannot survive without resupply from the earth, and no one has lived on it for the entire duration of it's existence. My argument isn't that we can't build space stations, my argument is that the idea of launching a parallel self-sufficient space based human civilization seems far fetched.Even working from the premise that its possible in the first place, the technological distance between the ISS and what would be required to sustain a genetically viable population of humans in space for perpetuity is like the distance between a dugout canoe and the ISS.
>>107844868>Lockheed Martin is a respectable CompanyNo. Lockheed Martin is . . a mixed bag.
>>107858487Shuffling responsibility toward "the future" is a as irresponsible as saying the nu-germans will pay for your pensions. What happens between then and now?
>>107857044and you're the type of person who would have believed it was possible to fly to the moon using a hot air balloon in the 18th century.
>>107859523Thats just the beginning, the ISS is for material testing, experiments, living in space. Its the foundation for whatever comes after.Its not impossible.>>107859577Lockheed is a good company, they already built tons of usefull stuff.>>107859767what are you even trying to say
>>107818051It's feasible with global cooperation amongst financiers and major governments, particularly when supported by a comprehensive "information" and "motivation" campaign. Let's be honest, such a media campaign would be propaganda, but a common collective purpose based upon our shared human interest in long term survival is a unifying principle.Pic related.We have to start close, with orbital factories and energy production/solar collection on the Moon.
>>107860572nope, every effort of Humanity should go towards Fusion reactors and graphene.once we mastered those we can think about space, exploration and exploitation.
>>107860936This is the sort of short sighted defeatism that will lead to the next global war. If we survive it, what is left of humanity will truly understand that the mother of invention is necessity.We must throw ourselves into the task in order to spur widespread and large scale development of the kinds of tech you are focused on.
>>107861221well you need the fucking foundations first, otherwise you just build useless shit.like trying to build a car but its the fucking middle ages.
>mfw no one even mentions space elevators
>>107860440>ISS is the foundationHistory is littered with the foundations of incomplete grand projects.
>>107862159constantly manned space stations in LEO are essential for any further space missions.
>>107861475We don't need the tech you mentioned in order to build solar collectors on the moon or fission reactor powered factories in orbit. This isn't Star Trek. It's reality.We have to take the necessary steps to begin colonization. Dicking around waiting for fantasy or far off tech before making the effort will only lead to continuing conflict.Humanity is not safe in the universe and we are probably not alone. We have to start coordinating to insure our long term survival, and if we do it properly, we can guarantee increasing prosperity for generations to come.We need a global consortium and a global conference on access to space-based jobs and the wealth that can be generated by developing colonies and production centers on the moon.The problem is political, not technological. We are down here acting like tribal shit matters, pretending our governments and cultural divisions are significant and relevant.News flash, an alien civ looking at us likely couldn't see much difference between any of our culture groups. And a planet killing asteroid won't care that we thought we needed fusion in order to place defensive satellites in orbit or to spread colonies off world.
>>107863143>muh aliumsopinion discarded
>>107850993you only have words and CGIs to offer, I have videos.How does it feel to be constantly proven wrong?
>>107863792WHAT? THE VENUS REFLECTING SUNLIGHT LOOKS LIKE THAT?????
>>107862329Of course, but my point is that just because we build a functional space-station is no guarantee its possible to achieve a self-reliant space based civilization.
>>107818051Just imagine if we could grow wood in space? We wouldn't have to grow ugly trees on earth anymore.
>>107863699Lol.>trillions of star systems>believes aliens are an impossibility>incredibly old universe>believes no civ could have developed to traverse interstellar space>too limited to realize, even if light speed cannot be feasibly exceeded, a species might develop other means of sending its members to other star systems>cannot imagine greater lifespans, generation ships, wormhole tech, etcNo, dear simpleton, it is your opinion that is discarded.You're in the wrong thread.
>>107863995Venus doesn't reflect our Sun light, nor does the Moon. Orbs are conscious sparks of light, they produce their own light.
>>107864119there is so many aspects that need to be researched that it will take a long ass time and will probably not happen in our lifetime.>>107864289even considering that, you think you can beat them with your solar collectors and wooden nuclear reactors on the moon?if they're capable to get here we're fucked regardless so who fucking cares about fucking aliums
>>107863995close-up view of venusie. what they don't want you to know.
>>107863792>He genuinely believe he's right >He's too retarded to understand photography >Can't even use a simple fucking telescopeJesus Christ this just gets better and better. Your level of retardation is so insane that I could set up a telescope for you, showing you the phases of Venus, the cloud belts of Jupiter, the moons of Jupiter, and you'd still claim a conspiracy.I knew the French were retarded, but not THIS retarded.
>>107863143>We are down here acting like tribal shit matters, pretending our governments and cultural divisions are significant and relevant.Race is real anon.
>>107864930how about using a real telescope instead of a shitty digital camera?too poor mohammed?
Don't respond to the frog, just ignore him.
>>107863995No, the frog is too dumb to figure out that the camcorder can't focus on Venus using a shitty zoom lens or digital zoom. If he was even remotely clever, he'd set up a capture using a proper astrophotography rig.This is crazy rainbow-lady tiers of retardation.
>>107865028only words.Does Sirius look like a giant sphere of burning gas?No it doesn't look anything like that.
>>107865511Just because you have shitty video doesn't mean you have evidence. How does it feel to be genuinely retarded?
>>107818051The real game change comes when we reduce the cost into orbit.Once the cost of traveling 100 miles is reduced all the solar system becomes open.SSTO - SABRE - SKYLON - REACTION ENGINES.It's going to change everything in the way Jet Engines did.Pic very much related.
>>107865268>>107865284>>107865476https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5DOBMIiaug
>>107864885I think you'd better go ahead and kill yourself, then. Your innovative solutions to problems apparently involves nothing more than wallowing in your own private despair.Since when does a thing being hard mean it is not worth trying? Our history includes a long record of intrepid and courageous people doing what the whiners and grumblers told them was impossible... including landing on our Moon.With your attitude, we'd have never come down out of the trees.Humanity must try to endure and spread itself beyond this world. It's either that, or we embrace our own extinction.I know many on /pol/ are either depressed or outright trolls, but if you think the way your words seem to imply, you'd better get some help.As for the rest of the human species, it's probably better in the minds of most to try and survive than to give up without bothering to make an effort.
>>107864885>there is so many aspects that need to be researched that it will take a long ass time and will probably not happen in our lifetime.Which is why I make it a point to mock spacenuts who throw autistic screeching fits over the fact we're not funding Mars colonies RIGHT NOW because an asteroid could hit us next week.If it happens,it will happen organically and not because some bureaucrats greenlit a crash research program like something out of Marxist central planning.
>>107865650you are not an idiot, you are a paid parasite. Paid to lie to good people.
>>107849609>Camera lensFuck you Frenchie you're just mad you didn't put a man on the moon.
>>107866267I know nobody who still believe the lol landings. Do you?
>>107866240Nigger you can't even bother to set up a proper astrophotography capture using literally any telescope + a DSLR with a T-ring adapter. What do you do to capture these videos? Stand outside with your shit-tier commercial camcorder and press the "zoom" button until you reach maximum zoom?And I thought the French were supposed to have produced some of the greatest scientific minds of history.
>>107865138Ok. And...?Species is real, anon. And the human species needs to live on more than one world if it stands any chance of long term survival. You don't keep all your eggs in one basket. Also known as, diversify your bonds.Moreover, if we get people more concerned about off world colonization than invading the west, possibly we can put an end to all that white genocide the stormfags are always whining about.
>>107865930I never said we shouldn't try, I said we need to reach a certain technology level first, you were the one who started his autistic rambling about aliums coming here reenacting independence day.
>>107866538Don't bother he clearly sounds mentally ill.
>>107866538just wordsLet me show you the real world, Sven
>>107866861prime troll material right here.
>>107866157Mars colonization in the near term is an insane goal. The moon is actually feasible.Marxism has nothing to do with any good plan of off world colonization and industrial development. Capitalism is a far better choice. We simply need a coordinated investment effort. If you think that global capitalist (& political) coordination is impossible, I'd suggest you consider the olympics.
>>107867050feel free to show me your material, Hans.hard mode: no CGI
>>107818051>Space Mining.This would create the worlds first trillionaires. >minerals now in massive abundance. >nuclear waste can now be dumped into the sun due to cheap solar system travel.>mining companies establish tourism in space.I can go all day.It's the future.
>>107866543>And the human species needs to live on more than one world if it stands any chance of long term survival. You can't cheat death anon.Hiding in a tin can built into the side of asteroid won't save you from the inevitable.
>>107860067I never said we'd be using our same technology anywhere
>>107865718Forgot links.>SABRE - Synergetic Air Breathing Rocket Engine http://spacenews.com/reviving-the-aerospace-plane-program/http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/12/reaction-engines-uk-progressing-to-full.html?m=1http://www.space.com/32115-skylon-space-plane-engines-air-force-vehicle.htmlRemember the name lads.
>>107867528Here's Jupiter & its moons. But you're just going to call this "CGI" because it doesn't fit your retarded "theory".
>>107866647Ah yes, the age old tactics of the losing debate participant:>I never said that thing I obviously stated or strongly implied>you said this other thing that I either improperly assumed or have simply made up to try and save faceIndependence Day is a movie. This is reality. Try to stay focused.Our species naturally spreads out and colonizes. It's how we ended up with the modern world.The next natural step is to colonize and develop the nearest planetary body - our Moon.This is not happening, likely because of political and economic forces that derail and distract us from the much more important concern of long term survival.We need to change that, and it begins in threads like this one.
>>107867395>Marxism has nothing to do with any good plan of off world colonization and industrial development. Capitalism is a far better choice. We simply need a coordinated investment effort.A coordinated investment effort that isn't driven by market forces isn't capitalism though.
>>107867825You're right. But we can get a damned sight nearer to securing long term human survival by spreading out, expanding our range, and exploiting the vast material reserves of our solar system.In the process, we might also spur new industries, create millions of new jobs, spread tech to the third world, and end the issues of population pressures and cultural conflicts by completely shifting the political situation from one of mutual conflict to one of mutual cooperation.
>>107865718>SKYLONDunno about the others, but SKYLON is partly funded by a European grant I think. Now we've left EU that might leave the project without funding.
>>107868182>thinks human survival isn't a market factorWithout humanity, there will be no markets.
>>107868112This right here. We just need a million focused people and we can start colonizing Space.
>>107868112>The next natural step is to colonize and develop the nearest planetary body - our Moon.sure, once we reach the necessary technology level, otherwise its a fucking waste of half assed shit.
>>107819982Not so much, the only reason space-tech is still shit tier is because nobody is actually putting any real efford into it, sure nasa sends out pointless probes every once in a while, but as soon as someone figures out how to let other people make money from space travel shit is gonna boomIts the same thing every single fucking time, i promise you nobody gave a shit about electricity until they figured out how to make money from it, and that goes for pretty much everything anyone ever invented.A good example that space is gonna be a thing is SpaceX, they are the first private company to send shit in and out of space on government contracts for profits and "free" research opportunity, and yes, talking about building a colony on mars sounds fucking retarded to most people, but i assure you people thought the first person to ride a baloon into the sky was a fucking retard aswell. We have the technology to make elysium-tier space bases, the problem is that nobody is going to pay for that shit because why bother?
>>107840018>astrology>astrologyit's astronomy you dumb fuck!
>>107868098I don't see a giant sphere of burning gas, do you?
>>107864885>Not happen within our lifetimeWe have to think not as individuals, but as a species when it comes to scientific advancement. Those who dwell on selfish reasons to not invest in the future are degenerate. Send your great grandson to Alpha Centurai
>>107866538You dumbass you're getting trolled by someone posting out of focus video.
>>107869274>building a colony on mars sounds fucking retarded to most peopleBecause it actually is a fucking retarded idea.Mars is a dead rock, terraforming is impossible, the ressources there are not so easy to collect and of no interest, its easier to mine asteroids.
>>107869390astrology is the true science
>>107869628>I don't see a giant sphere of burning gas, do you?Spotted the class glue sniffer. Jupiter is a planet, not a star.
>>107869649yes so? my point still stands.
>>107867825with that thinking, you might as well off yourself right now. Who put off the inevetable? Fuck future generations. fuck their stories, their art, their culture and history. Fuck your descendants, a few generations in a tin can in exchange for millenia? nah
>>107868029You do however make the assumption that since a technology that accomplishes a superficiality similar feat exists now that an even more stupendous feat will be achievable in the future.Now you may say "but we did eventually go to the Moon!", but what I'm getting at is that a man in the 18th century only has the technology of the 18th century to conjecture from, and he has no actual evidence to support the claim that a moon landing will ever be possible, therefore for him to claim that colonizing the moon is a realistic goal for King Louis XVI to pursue is foolish.
>>107868740>>107868740If the ESA don't want it the US will. Plus that funding is only via the ESA. It came from the UK first.There is geo-political shift underway.If Trump is serious about space this should be the play.BAE/Airbus or BAE/Boeing it doesn't matter, someone will build it if we get it working.>joint US / UK space capability>new age of solar sail incoming>this gives me liftoff
>>107870030Then do you see a giant sphere of non-burning gas?answer is no, you have no way to affirm that.
>>107870256Humanitity didnt just up and discover mathematics and physics right there on the launch pad in 1969, it took centuries of different acheivements building up. So yes, people alive during Kind Louis XVI's reign contributed to the moon landing. Maybe not directly, but they did.
>>107869660out of focus? I don't think so. How can you be so sure? Oh right it contradicts what you have been told at school and on TV.
>>107868640>a damned sight nearerNot really considering all those outposts and facilities would still be reliant on earth for survival.Sorry but if this "solution" to human extinction won't become viable for another hundred years, I see no reason to treat it like it's a survival imperative that we need to throw money and lives at immediately until it starts to stick.
>>107818051Completely infeasible. 100% impossible to make money off such a thing.There is nothing in space valuable enough to offset the costs of circumventing the gravity of an entire planet.
>>107871157I know you're pretending to be retarded, but c'mon man, make it more believable. I have trouble believing someone is dumb enough to think a handheld digital camcorder alone is an adequate tool for capturing detail in celestial bodies. It can hardly resolve your neighbors tits through the bedroom window, how is it going to capture fine details from space?
>>107869740It seems you are in luck, as im pretty confident nobody from spaceX asked for your opinion or approval in the first place
>>107869628>Burning gas>JupiterWhat the fuck.Plus you probably believe only hard surfaces reflect light or some shit.>>107870428From its spectrum. Each material interacts differently with lighting, different absorption, reflectivity, etc.Kill yourself ID filtered. Last post I see from this fag.
>>107818051If we can find a way to manufacture in space. Totally, yes. If we could build space craft in orbit we could completely cut out the cost of getting into orbit.
>>107871882then explain how it is not retarded.Sure a manned landing will happen on mars, but nobody will live there in a constant colony.
>>107871157You do realize you just admitted that you are incapable of telling if an image is in focus or not, right?
>>107871602>gravityDoesn't exist.
>>107872231first you explain how terraforming is impossible, and prove all of your other assertions, modern science is on his side dickweed.
>>107868640>exploiting the vast material reserves of our solar system.You can't do that when its a net energy loss no matter what. Economies only expand when there is abundant cheap energy to fuel it.You want to ship how many people to someplace farther than LEO? Even with SpaceX's bullshit inflated numbers, at $2500 a pound it will cost at least $487,500 per person on launch costs alone. To house that individual and provide for his needs for a year? Well the ISS has just three people permanently and costs us 3 Billion dollars per year.And you want to move how many people into space? Thousands? Millions?What economic driver is going to recoup all this invested capital and how is it going to do that within the lifetimes of the investors?because short of magic, there isn't anything.
>>107861879No engineering basis for them yet, centrifugal pressures are too strong for current material science to handle.Also, you will need an anchoring asteroid up there, we haven't even examined an asteroid up close yet.
>>107872549There is no financial reason to justify the costs.
>>107872638Space elevator, faggot.
>>107872231>history shows that earth will eventually encounter a large scale extinction event that will kill the majority of life on the planet>trying to figure out how to get the fuck on out of here, onto mars for starters, is borderline retarded because a german boy said so and refused to bring up a single argument to support him in the process
>>107872231Guys the fucking oracle of science is here to determine what is and what isnt possible, oh master of atmosphere, sensei of botany
>>107872825expensive != impossible>>107872767Carbon nano tubes will solve this
>>107872767>Also, you will need an anchoring asteroid up there, we haven't even examined an asteroid up close yet.I don't need to hold an object to feel myself pulled to the outside of a merry go round.The issue with space elevators is that the force on the cable is greater than covalent bonds can handle.
Lads I'm not memeing here.Venus is a far better option for human bases and research than Mars.
>>107871602a space elevator would cost 450 billion dollars, much less than a year in afghanistan, and can be built with current technology, allowing us to send as much weight into space every week as we've sent into space ever. oh, and electricity would be basically fucking free. every billion invested into solar panelling on a orbital ring space elevator would yield 20 billion dollars worth of electricity over 15 years. a single asteroid made out of nickel and coltan, as many are, can be worth a trillion dollars.space exploration, colonization, and mining, is inevitable.
>>107872549>>107873069Mars is a dead rock, it has no magnetic field.
>>107873098>expensive != impossibleFor all intents and purposes it is.>>107872861Not physically possible, plus it'd take a month to get to orbit at a reasonable speed for such a vehicle.
>>107873145>The issue with space elevators is that the force on the cable is greater than covalent bonds can handle.(citation needed)
>>107873182Bruv we're trying to dip out of the milky way completely>Warp Drives
>>107873332Sure thing pal. . .>>107873374Might as well just give up then eh?
>>107873615Lets make getting into orbit cheap and easy and see where we go from there shall we?
>>107873332your point being?
>>107872310No I actually ask you to explain yourself but as a trained shill in no way able to keep up with a topic you know shit about, you deflected.All you have to offer are words, only words.
Not if we let it get ruined by subhumans and degenerates
>>107873910It can't hold an atmosphere, the sun will blast it away withouta magnetic field.There is no place in our solar system where we can live like we can on earth.
Play KSP fags, at least it helps with my depressing existence in this shithole.
>>107873211>a space elevator would cost 450 billion dollars,Source.>much less than a year in afghanistanAfghanistan provides us with cheap energy for our economy. What does space provide? Super expensive energy? Rocks we can get on earth for a fraction of the cost?>and can be built with current technologyOh really? They've got a manufacturing plant that can make a 38,000 mile long single-molecule carbon nanotube? I fucking doubt it.>allowing us to send as much weight into space every week as we've sent into space ever.You're going 38,000 miles in a week? Wow how fast is this cable car travelling and what miraculous "current technology" does that employ?>and electricity would be basically fucking freeWhat? You want to transmit electricity 38,000 miles and incur no losses?>a single asteroid made out of nickel and coltan, as many are, can be worth a trillion dollars.Yep. And if we stay in reality, with the best technology that can be conceived of it will still take about 1.5 trillion dollars to get it.Space elevators are for the ignorant alone. You can't even fathom 62 gigapascals.
>>107874071My point>enjoy living underground on a dead rock in space watching trees through VR goggles, dicking around all day doing fuckall.
Seems too dangerous to me, messing up with asteroids like that. We barely know the orbit of a few dangerous ones in our solar system and people are already thinking in changing their mass? That will completely fuck up its trajectory.
>>107874216>There is no place in our solar system where we can live like we can on earth.Nobody claimed otherwise
>>107873428The tension on the base of the space elevator would be 62 gigapascals.>Laboratory tests have demonstrated that flawless individual nanotubes can withstand about 100 gigapascals of tension; however, if a nanotube is missing just one carbon atom, it can reduce its strength by as much as thirty percent. Bulk materials made of many connected nanotubes are even weaker, averaging less than 1 gigapascal in strength.>In order to function, a space elevator ribbon would need to withstand at least 62 gigapascals of tension.It's not practically feasible.
>>107874216>>107874216We don't want to, we want to go to a different system. Mars is fun and all but short of solving population issues, the big game is other systems. Also, biospheres
> muh INFLATIONlol anyone who said is a fucking retard:)
>>107874151Mate I'm mocking you because you're too dumb to understand how basic photography and optics work.Oh, and I know it's out of focus because it's the same effect you get when taking photos of street lights out of focus.
>>107874982There's no economic reason to ever leave the solar system.Do you drive across the country for bread just because you enjoy driving? Because that is what you're asking from the government. "Spend a ridiculous amount of money please, i like space"
>>107873182Mars is just more attractive for its gravity, the rest is shit, if we ever get colonies there it would be with domes.
>>107870087>Fuck future generations. fuck their stories, their art, their culture and history. Fuck your descendants, a few generations in a tin can in exchange for millenia?YES FUCK THAT.YOU DAMN WELL BETTER BELIEVE I SAY FUCK THAT.Fuck condemning my descendants to life in the most dystopic totalitarian environment imaginable, just so humanity can cling on by it's fingernails for a few generations more, like an old man on a respirator.Culture and history?Art?What art will survive among people whose every resource is tightly rationed and recycled? Do you think people who live like rats in a warren will have time for the ballet or the opera? That painters and sculptors will be exempted from the privations of post earth survival, and granted extra resources to waste while everyone lives off of nutrient gruel?A few generations in a tin can?There is no Earth 2. Once earth is gone it's gone, there's no reason to believe that some magically compatible planet exists out there for our descendants to eventually settle upon. It's tin can life until the day the last human dies.Better to die out on earth with dignity and the wind in our faces than to slowly die out like rats trapped in an air pocket on a sunken ship.
>>107875925WRONGgravity is one of mars' downsides
>>107875923SpaceX isnt funded by the government. >"Theres no feasable reason to ever leave my house. I have food, and a toilet here."In he entirety of human history are you claiming weve never done something solely because we WANTED to? What did we gain from the moon landing? we had a cock show with russia and stimulated our economy, while making countless scientific advancements. id say that pointless venture was pretty good
>>107876773You right I was thinking pressure.
>>107870716Except I'm not advocating that humanity stop scientific research, I just want the autistic screeching of the spacenuts to stop.
>>107818051Needs to happen ASAP. The better we can manipulate off-world celestial objects, the better we will be able to defend ourselves from the threat of being wiped out by a random comet.
>>107818051WHY HAS THIS THREAD SURVIVED 7 HOURS.
>>107876446>Trillions upon trillions of systems, each containing their own habitable zone and planets.>"No reason to believe some magic compatible planet exists"yeach except for every ounce of statistical probability ever. This is a fact that earth 2's exist. billions of them.
>>107877113What autistic screeching? People barely care about this. They just get news once in a while that NASA or ESA did something cool and then move on.
>>107876811>SpaceX isnt funded by the government. Is too. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html>Tesla Motors Inc., SolarCity Corp. and Space Exploration Technologies Corp., known as SpaceX, together have benefited from an estimated $4.9 billion in government support, according to data compiled by The Times. The figure underscores a common theme running through his emerging empire: a public-private financing model underpinning long-shot start-ups.>"He definitely goes where there is government money," said Dan Dolev, an analyst at Jefferies Equity Research. "That's a great strategy, but the government will cut you off one day.">In he entirety of human history are you claiming weve never done something solely because we WANTED to?You're saying there's never been anything in your life that you've wanted and not gotten?>What did we gain from the moon landing?ICBMs and the resulting world peace between world powers.>id say that pointless venture was pretty goodDon't act like you got this narrative of history from study. You're just using other people's opinions.
>>107819982As a /g/ and /sci/ fag I cab tell you there is no technological problem that be can't solved with money
>>107876446Im commenting again because I literally cannot believe this ignorance. Is this actually the first youre hearing that the Milky Way isnt the only solar system in the universe? Do you not know this?
>>107877653Make a heat engine with 80% efficiency.I'll wait.
>>107877723You seem to hold the narrative that everyone but you is stupid.But you've not demonstrated this.
>>107877304Trolling, conspiratards, people getting trolled by conspiratards. In a strange twist of irony, I haven't seen any racism in the thread. I would've expected at least a half dozen posts about how Mars should be the future home of the White Race.
>>107877650Id say using someone elses correct opinion is better than being willfully pessimistic
>>107877989You've not the expertise to determine if their opinions are correct. You are taking it on faith because you like the sound of it.
>>107877967Being hat im talking directly to you, the narrative implies I think solely you are stupid. Please comment with a logical explanation of your theory that there are no other earth-like planets in the universe. Explain how this is possible.>inb4 "Reachable" planetsreachable is relative, what we can get to today is not what we can get to tomorrow
>>107876966>pressureNot in the upper atmophere it isn't.In fact it is earthlike.
>>107875635>Siriustime to reexamine the definition of focus, sven.That video of Sirius offers more crispy details than your shitty and dubious still of Jupiter.But regardless, your pic was a good pick as it clearly establishes that all the video I posted here are focused.
>>107878557>Being hat im talking directly to you, the narrative implies I think solely you are stupid. Please comment with a logical explanation of your theory that there are no other earth-like planets in the universe. Explain how this is possible.Hey bro there's post id's on this thread.You okay?>reachable is relative, what we can get to today is not what we can get to tomorrowThat implies that science does not stand on the shoulders of giants.When we say something isn't possible in the 21st century, it is from evidence and theory, not ignorance.Or are you going to definitively state that science is always wrong eventually? Will F=MA be wrong in some far off future time, as "what we can get to today is not what we can get to tomorrow" dictates?
>>107878896Earthlike in that there is positive atmospheric pressure, yes.But atmospheric pressure on the surface of mars is just 0.087 PSI compared to earth's 14.7.Which, again, is why The Martian's entire plot hangs on fantasy.
>>107879125No im saying that with our current technology its absolutely impossibleBut there will one day be new technologies that can traverse these distances, the science doesnt change, humanities ability to use and work with it does.also idk what you mean about post Ids im passionate ok lmao
>>107879904>But there will one day be new technologies that can traverse these distances, the science doesnt change, humanities ability to use and work with it does.Except that those technologies would require new physics that our current physics says is impossible, like finding a woodchuck fossil in rock strata from the precambrian.We didn't invent fire. We exploited the chemistry between oxygen and carbon. So it doesn't make any sense to me when you say we can make technologies that science knows are impossible, without science changing.My posts have a unique number, as do yours, and the other guy you were calling stupid.
