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For me

> Mc is underdog/loser but have holy secret bloodline of blah blah blah
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probably the obvious love interest who is a close friend of the protagonist, because they grew up together or something. Usually has dark hair and is quiet but secretly strong. The blaring sexual tension drives me nuts
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>>202496924
I hate the chosen one trope too but I think the bigger problem is that they rarely have any personality.
A good example of that trope is link from wind waker, he has a personality. He doesn't want to do it, he only does it because he loves his grandma.
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>>202497104
Most chosen ones have a personality and don't really want to do it. They only want to do it and don't have a personality in RPG
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>If you kill him you would be as bad as him
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>the comic relief who sticks by the the MC and gets his ass beaten by the main villain, and in turn causes the MC to power up and go super sayan or some shit out of anger
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>>202497476

This is most ilogical philosophy ever seen in manga / anime
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>>202497656
this, i wouldn't be so pissed off if this wasn't the real world equivalent of "if you kill your enemies, they win"
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>>202496924
>tfw rock lee kept true to the early message of the manga of "hard work can make you as good with someone with talent"
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>>202496924
>MC only cares about food and fighting
Fuck shounen
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>MC is a soulless husk devoid of any personality traits so you can self insert
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>>202499058
Bro... I like Kimetsu no Yaiba, stop making fun of it.
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>MC is a huge fucking faggot who keeps being a wimp and crying at the drop of a hat
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>>202496924
>MC's parents are either dead or abusive in some way because apparently healthy parent/child dynamics don't make good protagonists
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>>202497476
This actually good though, edgefag
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>it's a lolicon anime/manga full of little girl fanservice but the main character ends up with a girl close to his age instead who's some kind of a childhood friend
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>>202496924
>The Teacher is a old hag and a drunk
>25
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>>202499992
retable
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>>202497104
>he has a personality
>He doesn't want to do it, he only does it because he loves his grandma.
That isn't a personality. It's just being a whiny little bitch
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>Tournament Arc
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>>202499992
That's really young for a man but yeah for a woman is basically middle age.
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>>202500306
Based
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>>202500241
Nothing wrong with those per se
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>>202500377
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>>202500157
You realize just because you don't like a character's personality it doesn't mean that character suddenly doesn't have one
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>>202496924
>best girl is older than 14
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>>202496924
The teen drama and the Sasuke's revenge arc in Naruto is absolutely some of the worst storylines that I've ever seen.
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>>202496924
It's weird how that seems to be only exclusive to battle shounen anime/manga
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>>202496924
everything in battle shonen
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dramatic misunderstandings
love triangles
random powerups just to boost the MC to fight the bad guy
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NTRbait.
I don't mind NTR but the problem is NTRbait almost always amounts to nothing but a waste of time. It's usually just NTRbaiter tries to cuck MC out of girl but doesn't do anything with the girl and in the end he's countercucked by the MC. Every time it happens it always feels like the author just read an NTR doujin he/she hated and decided to recreate the NTR scenario in his/her manga but this time with the MC winning.
Either go all the way through with the NTR or don't have NTRbait in the first place
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>>202501280
you don't know what NTR is
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>>202501033
>love triangles
For me it's specifically that scene where Girl A walks in on Girl B and MC in an embrace and runs away. I hate that shit.
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>comedic relief/jokester is super strong
>harem protags
>beta nerd x hot girl
>manlet x hot girl
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>>202501400
die in a fire
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>Beach episode
>Onsen episode
>Summer festival episode
>School festival episode
>School trip episode
>Vacation episode
>Christmas episode
>New Year festival episode
>Hanami episode
>Tournament arc
>Rescue arc
>War arc
>Training arc
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I have to admit that most battle shounen cliches I fucking love when they are done right

>big speeches
>MC or side characters wins by sheer will
>powerups
>upgrades of the original power
>MC curbstomping the villain that bullied his friends
>Tournament arcs
>big bad with shadow face
>"we're not so different you and I"
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>>202501280
I just insta-drop the second they even HINT at NTR
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>>202501589
Let me guess, you don't watch much slice of life
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>>202501589
But what about the genderbender episode?
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>>202501647
there isnt much slice of life to watch tbqh
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>>202500481
>i don't feeeeeeeeeeeeeel like it
Is not a personality
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>>202496924
multiple volumes of throw giant tits in your face. MC ends up with the pettanko
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>>202497476
What's a good way to deconstruct this? once the character say these words, MC kills the bad guy anyways walk towards the character and reply back "Answer me, am I know a killer/rapist/human trafficker/ETC?"
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>>202500416
Examples of good Tournament arc?
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MC end up with heroine or other girl character at the end of the series out of nowhere despite romance basically isn't a thing for the rest of the manga
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>>202502729
We needed an excuse to make Trunks and Gohan
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>>202496924
Yeah, fake underdogs are pretty shite.
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>>202500241
Yu yu hakusho?
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>>202501501

>comedic relief/jokester is super strong

You got my approval for the other but how is this bad exactly?
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>>202502683
Dark Tournament
Heaven's arena
Tenkaichi Budokai (all three of them)
Chunin Exam
Minus Arc
Shaman King

often times they are the best parts of the battle shounen
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>>202496924
>be bad guy
>doing bad guy shit
>irredeemable piece of shit
>oh here's backstory. please feel bad about him.

fuck you, don't pussy out and pretend he's a tragic character. (pic related)
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>>202503407
Dies Irae made it work.
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>MC is an irredeemable loser
>bitches love him anyways “because he’s nice”
>Every character is basically the same archetypal character we’ve already seen a million times
>everything is always in a highschool
>shitty nonsensical drama
I hate otaku. They ruin any shred of artistic integrity still left in this godforsaken industry. Anime was truly a mistake.
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>>202503407
I hate it when Naruto gave one to every single fucking villain regardless of how much of a shit they were.

Then you got Orochimaru who wasn't even sympathetic and got away with everything
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>>202503695
Your mistake for treating animu and mango as anything but commercial products made to sell to certain demographics.
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>>202502597
Make it so the main character is punished for their inaction. Make it so whoever the villain is takes advantage of that mercy and the character is partially responsible for the bad things that happen after.
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>>202503768
Yes but I wish they’d pick a demographic that arent massive faggots
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>>202498465
I hate the "Hard work beats talent" cliche, so what happens if the one who's talented also works hard as well? I honestly prefer the "Work smarter, not harder" trope instead.
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>>202503854
How about you find shit that panders to you instead of hoping things that aren't made to pander to you were made to pander to you?
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>>202498465
That was never the message of the manga. That's just Rock Lee's thing and he lost to pure talent
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>Character gets a power-up that makes them go evil, or crazy
>said power-up sometimes comes up unexpectedly during fights, hampering the character's performance
>character does utterly nothing to control or stop this evil power-up, just saying, "I will never succumb to evil!" or some other BS.
>character still succumbs to the power-up's effects
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I mostly just read manga and LNs since it's easier to find shit you like. You just look up the author. Anime doesn't have an author so when you find something you like you have to wonder what you liked about it (if you liked the story find the writer or just read the source material, if you like the animation look at the studio's works or animator, etc.)
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>>202497509
That only happens in one anime though
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>>202503407
It's my biggest problem with KnY.
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dark brooding character who had his family killed and wants revenge. ie will do anything for it.

ex: sasuke or that nigga from chainsaw man im sure there are thousands of cases but cant think of any more than that
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>>202501400
covid I think
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>>202503407
now do that for every villain and you got Naruto
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>>202504275
naruto and dragon ball and clannad lmfao

youre already wrong
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>>202503968
I do. It’s just frustrating that 95% if the industry is cookie cutter garbage.
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>>202503707
pain kinda worked because we already given hints that he had issues that turned him into the dark side. itachi, however, didn't show a single hint that he was misunderstood or anything.
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>>202504477
The majority of everything isn't made to pander to you, the sooner you come to terms with that the better.
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>>202503868
that's the plot of baby steps. MC joined tennis because exercise is good for body and he ended up loving it and each day he studies what he learned in tennis and try to improve on it.
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>>202503799
>Make it so whoever the villain is takes advantage of that mercy
I think this happens a lot, the problem is that people never hold MC accountable for choosing to bitch out.
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>>202496924
Harem
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>>202500545
>>202500377
>>202500306

when anime panders to pedos
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>>202501589
The problem is not that these exist but that they happen inorganically and often times it's like they're just going through a checklist.
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>MC has a chance to defeat an antagonist
>That chance is via dirty tactics
>MC doesn't take that chance, instead wanting to fight the antagonist fairly
Ichigo vs Byakuya is an example of this cliche, where Ichigo's objective is to rescue Rukia, not fight Byakuya. Ichigo could have speed-blitzed Byakuya off-guard with TS's speed, but didn't take that chance
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>>202504777
"Harem" anime that never intend to go for harem end
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>>202501501
>>beta nerd x hot girl

I used to be ok with this trope but now this shits getting obnoxious.

It's always the character being dragged by another character into getting a fucking backbone.
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>>202498543
>MC is either a massive joke pervert or asexual retard
MC with a healthy sex drive when?
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>>202504075
>Character could kill one of the bad guys early on
>a dud!?
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>>202503707
his back story is one of the bests because it shows pretty well that even if he had a kind of tragic past he was still a piece of shit, with others it seems Kishi wants to compensate for everything they've done with flashbacks
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>>202505156
Agni
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>supernatural bullshit going down at school
>MC and heroine have already had near death experiences and it's inevitable they'll be attacked again
>they're more worried about their classmates misunderstanding and thinking that they're dating
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>>202503695
>he stood up to some bullies in 1st grade
>wow he's so brave
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indirect kissu
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>>202505576
I say they got their priorities straight
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>>202506131
That's such a retarded cliche. Do japs really have a complex over this kind of stupid bullshit that no one would think anything of at other parts of the world or is it just an anime thing?
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>>202505576
>they're more worried about their classmates misunderstanding and thinking that they're dating
And they won't even say what it's the huge deal with a misunderstanding. Like what's going to happen if Classmate B gets the wrong impression and even then it's not like you can't talk to him about it.
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>>202506480
Make of that what you will but according to the couple books I read relating to nip culture and history kissing is a bigger deal and something a lot more private and charged than in the west.
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>The girl the MC is in love with always beats him up for dumb reasons.
>MC never EVER thinks "hey, maybe we were never meant to be".
>This is supposed to be "funny" and "relatable".
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>>202506734
But considering sharing a water bottle a type of kiss is just such a creepy way of viewing reality. You can't just say that needlessly perverted obsession is just a part of their culture. Something is wrong with their fucking heads.
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>>202507058
Yeah fair enough.
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>>202507006
and MC acts like it didn't happen or it leaves him with mental scar that may leave him scared for life.

remind me why people like this type of tsundere?
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>>202503707
>>202505302
Danzo and Madara were still portrayed as bad, even with their backstorys and Hidan, Deidara and Kakuzu don't even have backstorys
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>>202501400
Corona
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What's even worse than the protagonist getting as asspull to win, is when the opponent is so op that he has to get nerfed, Bleach and Naruto particularly are guilty of that
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>>202502597
I'd watch this, ТВН
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>>202507006
Similarly bad:
>MC's gf constantly belittles, mocks, and insults him in a way going beyond banter
>still stays with her even when given better options
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>>202503407
>irredeemable piece of shit
>obvious sociopath
>100 chapter later still a sociopath
>200 chapters later as sociopath as ever
>300 chapters later yep sociopath
>lol jk guys it was just vengeance for pussy
>k' now feel bad for him as he dies

Fuck you too, Kubo. His death was almost perfect but you just had to pull this horseshit.
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>>202501589
>War arc
fuck off
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>Story is about how with hard work and effort you can make it even if you're inexperienced in something
>MC gets seven brand new powers out of absolutely nowhere with "foreshadowing" and utterly destroys the theming of the manga.
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>he acts like an irredeemable piece of shit
>but he actually has a heart of gold as depicted by this one time where he did something not completely in his own self-interest
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>>202497104
>Link
>having a personality
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>MC GETS HAREM OF HORNY FEMALES
>DOESN'T FUCK ANY OF THEM
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>>202508333
he didn't get "redeemed", he still was portrayed as a piece of shit, it's just Matsumoto that liked him very dearly
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>>202503868
>so what happens if the one who's talented also works hard as well?
They win so you have to set goals for yourself instead.
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>>202508764
If he doesn't fuck them or made them his then it's not a harem. The tag is always applied wrong.
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>>202508666
I'm getting a mixed message, Satan.
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>>202502597
I was thinking about the same exact thing the other day. It would be a very kino momment
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>>202508657
it still takes hard work and effort to learn to control some completely new powers though
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>>202508675
kek
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>painfully generic young male main protagonist who has a bunch of super hot babes flirt with him
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>>202503407
he is tragic but still a piece of shit tho
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>>202508958
Yeah but it doesn't stop it from being an awful inclusion that's just going to be used as a free "Get out of Jail Free" card for the MC whenever he gets into trouble.
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>>202502597
It could work like this:
>MC spares villain after a side-character does the "please don't kill" speech
>The villain runs away, but is killed by a mook he mistreated, or his boss who thinks he failed him
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>>202508974
stop being jealous, fag
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>>202508803
Not "redeemed" per se, but setting his entire career as an absolute piece of shit up to be a long con for vengeance was straight up bullshit that took away from his character at the very last second.
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>>202509047
Yeah, I agree it could at least have been foreshadowed better if he was dead set on including it in the story
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>>202499058
What is BNHA
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>>202509346
You self-insert in Deku? You are a fucking loser lmao
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>>202509029
ever since his backstory got exposed, they paint him as good guy by all characters.
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>>202496924
Catchphrases or "tics". Pathetic attempt to generate something trying to stick it to the audience.
>Dattebayo
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>>202509385
well many people think hes a "good guy" because he had no choice and was forced to do many of the fucked up shit he has done i mean the guy literally killed his entire clan and his girlfriend for the sake of the village and peace making him probably the most selfless guy so i can see why he is portrayed as the good guy you know
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Every thread its always the same shit because all you fags seem to watch/read are battle shonens and romcoms.
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>>202509607
How am I supposed to complain about something I actually like? Ah fine, here's one for you.
>co-protagonist gets written out near the end and doesn't even make an appearance in the final arc
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>>202496924
Not sure if this counts, but the narrator which for some reason series feel the need to include even if the really don't need one.
Examples are Yuru Camp or Kaguya, where it's neither helpful nor comedic and just adds a layer of "...Why?" to the whole thing. It's also a sign to look out for when trying to determine if an anime is good or shit - if it has an unneeded narrator it will move towards the latter.
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>>202509384
Fuck no I don't, I'm just pointing out that's what Deku is go see any BNHA thread its full of self inserters.
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>>202496924
bloodline and 9 tails "le inside monster" meme ruined naruto. even unintentionally stealing scroll from second hokage was better character development than that shit. he didnt earn any of that. same with harry potter and every normie kid's fantasy i have ever seen
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>>202496924
Almost every single romcom trope
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>>202509585
and there it is. that's why i hate it. he was good because he was a cunt not because of reasons he did to achieve them. pain already filled that role very well.
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>>202509835
Aka is regularly using narrator to explain some plot things or a joke if he fails to do it through the normal means. The peek of it was during the Ice Kaguya arc when he was literally forced to say "GUYS, SHE ISN'T A SHCIZO, OKAY" through the narrator words.
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>>202496924
>former rival joins MC's group of friends but still acts as if he hates MC because he wants to look cool
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>>202510349
well most people forget or forgive all the bad shit he has done after a tragic backstory is added in and instantly call him a hero and whatnot i dont like that either but it happens often in anime i mean itachi is probably the most liked character in naruto
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>>202503407
He is a different case. With him you are supposed to believe that the bad things he did were right and the rest were just him pretending to be bad.
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>>202502597
You can go the batman route and make villains who never cross certain line to avoid any real dilemma or generate rejection from the readers Stealing? Killing? Torture? Completely fine since "if you kill him, you will be like him". Deep. Now, imagine applying that when the villain is pedophile, a child slave driver or a rapist? Some readers... will be not as convinced with that deep reasoning of killing is bad. So, just avoid that kind of villain and that's it!
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>>202503707
>Then you got Orochimaru who wasn't even sympathetic and got away with everything
But that was the absolute best part of the Naruto ending
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>>202510719
>sasuke, hate is power
>sasuke, kill your bff.
>sasuke, you're faggot of brother.
>sasuke, i hate you
>sasuke, why did you turn to the dark side.

great character indeed
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>>202503868
>I hate the "Hard work beats talent" cliche, so what happens if the one who's talented also works hard as well?
You get people crying about how the hard worker still deserves to win because they feel bad about him not having talent
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>>202496924
Mc's harem
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>plain looking MC keeps getting girls falling all over his dick after a single interaction with them
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>>202497476
This isn't even necessarily bad. The problem is that it's almost exclusively used so that the MC doesn't kill a guy in story written for children and published by a children's comic book company or children's animation studio to be distributed in family friendly general stores and cartoon tv channels for kids.

It rarely as anything to do with an actual moral stance or ethos.
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>>202501595
all of these are great, but it's easy to fuck up and make it seem lame and derivative

>>202508333
I didn't think it was that bad. I always saw it that even if he had reasons for being the way he was, he's still a piece of shit and he deserved to die for it.
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>>202503707
>Then you got Orochimaru who wasn't even sympathetic and got away with everything
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>>202512076
I will say it's bad when they try to create a philosophy behind it as justification. And worse, when the story works in a way to demonstrate that not killing the bad guy, no matter how bad it was, was the correct choice.
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>>202499950
>this is actually a mangaka torured by countless hours defiling his soul drawing the most depraved shit trying to make the world a better place by encouragin whatever small portion of salvagable pedophiles read his manga to become healthy human beings
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>>202500241
They are literally always great.
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>>202496924
>main girl is an absolute cunt, but it's alright because she didn't have friends/was neglected in childhood or some shit
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edgy shotas
annoying sperg otaku mc
emotionless autistic badass mc
promise with faceless childhood friend
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>>202501669
As a chronic prude I must admit those are always, without exception, god-tier.
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>>202512422
>edgy shotas
You have no idea how much i hate it when they introduce brats like this.
They usually get btfo because they are "hot-headed" which is always a relief.
I also hate "high IQ" shotas who are 3rd graders who think like adults.
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>>202503695
bro... I still believe
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>>202512112
The only way this scene could show any more contempt for the audience is if at the end it cut to Kishi taking a dump directly into the camera lens and then wipes out a little portion of it which he uses to give the audience the middle finger.
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Dude, I just hate misunderstandings that could be resolved in 1 minute of talking but since the other part is so stubborn they just refuse to listen
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>jobber character
>everybody else says how strong/smart they are
Momo from Boku no Hero is an example, but any other examples?
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>>202512181
I think the opposite. It's fine if you actually are going to use it as a moral statement and it somehow has an effect on the character's ethos, one way or another, or if it ties with the themes of the show. I thinks it's almost always garbage because it's pretty much always used as a cheap and obvious way to censor your story.
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>>202501400
'rona
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>>202496924
I hate this trope because they have to pretend the character is an underdog. I actually agree with the idea great people are descended from great people and no great person will come from a line of losers. But the way these manga have to bend over backwards to obscure these details from the reader rather than just from the character is annoying. I will admit one of the only things where I felt Kimetsu stuck the landing in its otherwise terrible ending was that Tanjiro really was just the descendant of a nobody who once met a somebody even though lots of the fanbase wanted his ancestors to be super special.
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>>202512675
>I also hate "high IQ" shotas who are 3rd graders who think like adults.


just say tomodachi game
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>Antagonist has the "Strong live, weak die" mentality
>Gets beaten by the protagonist, who is stronger, proving them right
Are there any moments where the villain has this mentality, but gets beaten by someone who is considered weak?
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>>202512181
Agreed, garbage like Shishio accidentally dying on its own for example completely ruined the idea Kenshin had to grow as a character just so the manga could avoid him actually testing his moralfag code.
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>>202503707
Orochimaru gave up on the village when he saw how distraut Tsunade was when Dan and her brother died. In the end, he felt regret about Jiraya's death.

Sasuke's resolved and Naruto's forgiveness unironically saved him. Now he/she is a loving father/mother who only does experiments on clones. I'm surprise he and Anko didnt rekindle their relationship.
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>>202513003
Vegeta maybe, but I feel it's a different case than Momo
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>>202497104
>>202496924
Chosen one isn't necessarily bad, but Nips suck at pulling it out. Naruto is an egregious examples because both how much they hammered that hard work beats natural talent just to have the theme shitted on every time, and because everybody relevant on the village knew that Naruto was the 4th's son and had special genes, he was only a nobody for ignorant peasants. But even One Piece, that had handled destiny shit with relative grace up until now, had Oden openly saying that nothing would happen until the right person is born, until 20 years in the future. So, fuck the Yonko, the Shichibukai, Blackbeard, basically everybody fighting for the Pirate King's treasure (arguably even Roger himself got screwed by fate), nice try but you were born at the wrong time, so everything you did these last 20 years is irrelevant.
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>>202496924
>Character is a complete and total autist whose only form of communication with others is a few straightforward words, brooding, and making rude remarks.
>All the girls flood their panties over him and gushing about how cool he is.
It always gets me because girls wouldn't be asking you to sleep with them, they would be asking you if you're retarded.
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>>202499827
The problem as always is the way Nips handle it. After having thousands of unnamed mooks or random bystanders dying because the villain didn't know friendship, and the MC about to kill under the reasonable assumption that he will keep pulling off shit, It's just dissonant.
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>>202497476
Wasn't that what the US did with Japan in the war, instead of brutalize the defeated countries like Japan did? I know that the US forced a cuck constitution and military bases on Japan but that's nothing compared with the shit Japan pulled out on Asia, Japan is literally America's villain turned friend.
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>you should work hard but if you work too hard you get sick which is bad because then you can't work as hard!
>also it's literally irrelevant because you'll lose anyway lol
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>>202508657
Every time. Every time there's some 'powerless' MC who's going to get by with hard work, he'll get at least one unique, brand new power out of nowhere by the end of the first storyline.
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>>202497476
>MC has no problem killing a bunch of grunts or main-minions within the bad guy's inner circle.
>For some reason killing the man himself is a moral dilemma.
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I really dislike when a female character personality can be just summarized with archetypes such as "Tsundere","Kuudere",,"Yandere","Himedere","Genki", etc. It's such a lazy way to replace proper characterization with easy labelling, it's also makes them look so robotic in my eyes
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>>202500241
>Kenichi tournament arc
>Yu yu hakusho tournament arc
>Dragon ball tournament arc
>Negima tournament arc
>One punch man tournament arc
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>>202513003
Gilgamesh; every female in Naruto;
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>>202497104
>this retard doesnt know what refusing the call is
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>>202513398
I think Toriyama was just joking around when he wrote that about Vegeta.
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>>202502441
>ZnT
>having an ending
to be fair Louise is best girl, and saito is a shit protagonist anyway.
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>>202497104
The chosen one trope is dogshit in almost every regard.

The only time it would be remotely good is when the MC realizes he's the chosen one, and not only embraces it, but uses his powers and abilities in a selfish way.

like if naruto used his fox powers to get pussy and free ramen all the time.
that would make for a more interesting and compelling story to me, because it makes him relatable.

humans are selfish for the most part, and seeking to gratify themselves. it's such bullshit the "you must only use your powers for good" tropes that have no real reason as to why they can't be selfish or human
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>mc has no special abilities/ is the ultimate underdog
>gets lucky with the strongest possible power/weapon of their world
>because the mc is special, he gets special powerups caused by luck that it was never even impllied that it was possible insteead of the mc learning with his own methods to use his adquired power in the best way possible
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>>202513836
Welcome to anime 101
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>>202513530
It's even worse in a series like One Piece where the protagonists are killing people but after the fact waving away any drama makes it so they are not but we are supposed to believe the villains are evil even though most of their crimes are also erased by nobody dying in the present.
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>>202513836
the problem is not that they can fall under those tropes, the problem is that they don't progress and develop
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>>202514213
This, it's annoying when that archetype is their only trait and only act based on it
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>>202503799
>Make it so whoever the villain is takes advantage of that mercy
So like in Trigun where one of the villains puts our pacifist MC in a situation where he has to kill him or watch his two closest friends get murdered
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>>202498465
>to the early message of the manga of "hard work can make you as good with someone with talent"
You retards and your shitty meme headcanon destroy any possible Naruto conversation.
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>>202499827
>>202501400
Kill yourself, retard.

>>202502597
Someone just fucking make it.
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>protagonist/antagonist seeks world peace by uniting the world against a common evil
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>>202505082
Irredeemable fucking trash.
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>>202514207
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>>202514430
That happened towards the end of the story right? Vash is certainly one of the better pacifist protagtonists out there.
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>>202513852
nothing wrong with fucking tournament arcs, in fact there hasnt been a good tournament arc since forever, everytime it gets interuppted at some point and the final fight doesnt happen
I miss good old dragon ball days, vegeta vs goku was what a tournament arc should be like
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>>202513198
shishio lived and died by that mantra.
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>>202509122
That happens all the time and is actually the shittiest way to handle things because the lesson is that evil will take care of itself and good guys should just leave them alone.
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>>202514211
I don't remember One Piece pulling off the "if you kill them you're as bad as them" card yet
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>>202513443
>>202514003
I think ironically, Harry Potter handled The Chosen One the best. Rowling made him the only one who could finish off the dark lord final boss once and for all with their special connection, but had to figure out how exactly to go about it and got literally no love from the plot short of not dying by luck and quick thinking, he was also often called overrated or a disappointment and treated like shit for everything but his sports skills. It also didn't help he completely sucked at fighting and had to specialize in DISARMING opponents. He was definitely an underdog you could see nearly all his own allies, especially the grown ups killing without any effort the second they actually wanted to.

That's nothing like what shit Naruto turned out as. I'd write one like that: they're the one who has to do it with something special, not get out of Hell free cards, only they were given, but the challenge is even getting to that point and without losing everyone in the process.
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>>202514701
Stay tuned to discover more static anime character stereotypes!
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>>202514949
It does the full on moralfagging, since neither side gets any kills, it can't really do "if you kill him, you're as bad as them" because you know for the sake of the children nobody is allowed to die anyway.
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>>202499992
Considering that Japanese women age way more gracefully than Western women, I feel that it's slightly unfair. Also, while they idolize school girls, real life Japanese schoolgirls are closer to Eizouken than anything else, they're projecting their fetish too hard.
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>>202515334
I don't know, Luffy always came out for me as a guy that just did things for personal reasons, like Whitebeard and Roger. That he wasn't fighting because he had the moral ground, he was fighting because he personally either disliked the bad guy, or liked the people screwed by him. On the issue of moralfagging, One Piece villains hace the unfortunate of being ridiculously petty even for kids' comics standards, I mean, Crocodile took ten minutes of his life every day to make a sandstorm and send it to an old guy trying to dig a well, that's so ridiculously dickish that Luffy can at least come out better for not screwing people for pleasure. Still, extremely ridiculous, specially since Crocodile used it as a bragging point.
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>>202499086
Tanjiro has personality
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>>202514755
Because Vash isn't praised for his pacifism and isn't always shown morally correct with it. It's his life style, but the narrative isn't patting him on the back for it.
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>>202515334
The villains definitely get kills anon. They dont happen often in the main timeline because Oda gets too attached to even his side characters and doesnt like killing them off because he wonf be able to bring them back for a cover story or short cameo.
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>pervert character
>opportunity to bang a bitch
>no, i love someone
Fuck that shit
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>>202513624
Did you forget the 2 atomic bombs and the firebombing civilan bamboo houses before the war ended ?
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>>202513836
Japan modularized cuteness
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Remember a time before trope threads
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>character needs to be saved because of retarded temper tantrum
>author moves heaven and earth to downplay characters being a detestable faggot
>interesting characters are constantly moved to the background so they don't outshine mediocre MC
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>>202515077
And Harry did loose shit tons of people.
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>>202496924
you only dislike that trope because you're a loser and you use the existence of that trope as an excuse as to why you're a loser and have no confidence
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>>202517437
Kill yourself, retard.
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>>202516928
That was the time before the fall of /b/
when /b/ was relavent, /v/ liked video games, moot existed, Desu was everywhere, /a/ had good taste in anime, etc.
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>>202496924
>MC is a generic self insert who gets flooded with pussy
>love triangles
>beach episodes
>Character being crazy for the sake of being crazy
>Attractive female with no personality
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>>202517558
>Character being crazy for the sake of being crazy
I agree with all except this
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>>202517558
>>Character being crazy for the sake of being crazy
>>Attractive female with no personality
Name one for each faggot
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All female characters with big boobs die out or go away.
Small and average chicks still around at end of the series.
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>>202496924
Did anybody mention the one where an evil character gets redeemed and joins the good guys?
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>>202517792
But that's great, a lot of the best characters in Jump manga are the redeemed villain allies.
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>>202517792
No, this is a bad tropes thread.
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>>202517792
that's great tho
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>>202517792
>>202517978
>>202518081
>>202518115
personally i think is bad when the character gets away with everything they ever done no matter how fucked it was.
also zuko is the only example of this trope done right.
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>>202517792
This is actually great, but only works if the character is actually a villain that undergoes destructive and meaningful character changes, and not just a faggy anti-hero edgelord that just decides to switch sides
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>>202496924
>MC is beyond dense
>Still remains dense despite the manga throwing obvious stuff in his face
>Especially when it concerns girls and their feelings
This will never not make me roll my eyes up.
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>>202518197
>also zuko is the only example of this trope done right.
not the only one but he is a really good one, which goes to what I'm saying>>202518216
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>>202518197
i was thinking of zuko cause it made sense for him to change sides, if it's just like "i lost so i might as well join" then it''s bad
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>>202504483
But Nagato turned. Itachi was always a double agent or something
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>>202513443
>Naruto is an egregious examples because both how much they hammered that hard work beats natural talent just to have the theme shitted on every time,
This was never a thing for Naruto himself. He was always about muh nakama and power in unity and inspiring people.

In the Land of the Waves, what resolved the conflict? Naruto's words were able to reach Zabuza who was convinced to betray Gato and kill him. Even afterwards, Gato's men were armed and can cause trouble but Naruto's actions inspiring Inari enabled him to rally the entire town to chase those men out. Now those men would think twice before attacking Inari's people after this story arc because they've grown a massive pair of balls and now are proven willing to fight back. This wasn't hard work that solved the problem. It was individual cases of Talk no Jutsu and inspiring little kids leading to a domino effect of motivated adults who altogether team up to solve the problem. It's a combination of inspiring others and becoming strong through unity. It's present elsewhere too. Hinata was inspired by Naruto's ability to never give up and fell for him, becoming one of his greatest supporters. Konohamaru is another Konoha Shinobi whom Naruto inspired and went from prankster spoiled village leader's grandkid to a Rasengan slinger who could take down a Pain path and later trained his son. Shadow Clones are the epitome of doing more as a group than a single person can. Naruto was always muh friendship inspiring people and uniting to achieve greater goals than what can be done alone. This was all before that Six Sages' son Asura who was explicitly said to have gotten success through the help of others.
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>>202519076
I could buy this.
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>>202519076
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>>202497476
>If you kill him you would be as bad as him

There's nothing wrong with this. It's a widely held belief. This is why the death penalty has been outlawed in so many places. It a belief I personally hold. And yet, when a main character DOES kill the villain, you don't see me (or anyone else) whining about it in these threads, even though I disagree with what he did.

Why do you people hate the idea of mercy so much? What is it about sparing a life that you find so unbearable?
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>>202503695
what i hate form that the most is that to make work the "he is nice" every other guy has to be earth shatering stupid or a scumbag
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>>202497476
They're legitimately right. Killing the bad guy betrays a lack of self-control, and absolute weakness. FMA handled this perfectly with Roy and Envy. Anyone who hates this trope doesn't have what it takes to be a true man.
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>>202520122
Killing a mass murdering psychopath who WILL continue killing is only a net gain. Envy directly caused a decimation of the Ishvalan race and is proud of it.
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>>202510791
Why is rape so much worst than killing for people? literally i'd rather get raped a dozen times than just die.
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>>202496924
>Every single event in the story was caused by this one guy with some grand keikaku even if it doesn't make sense
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>>202512112
in the same line, i hate when a problem, criticism or something the public may not like is addres just by mention it.
>>"hiting mc-kun for nothing sure is bad.oh well"
>>"yes this character did a lot of unforgivable shit that i admit is bad. oh well"
>>"loving a guy for just picking up a eraser one time sure is exaggerate. oh well"
>>"we probably shouldn't have a little kid or follow his advice in a fuck up conflict. oh well "
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Every girl is a sex object or has no interesting trait except being sexy.
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>>202520934
Because rape happens to women and people are simps like that. If it was really that much worse they would just kill themselves afterwards.
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>>202518197
If you really think Zuko is the only good example, there's either a miscommunication here or you're retarded. If your problem is genuinely evil characters getting redeemed, well Zuko was never one of those and neither are most people who do get redeemed. The truly evil characters just get killed (Jagi vs. Raoh, Frieza vs. Bu, Todo Hyoei vs. Daigouin Jaki, Vearn vs. Hadlar, Housen vs. Takasugi, Joie vs. Midora, Hantengu vs. Akaza). Basically every manga has former redeemed villains in the main posse.
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>>202519818
It's fucking gay and never applies in the context of the series itself. If the manga wanted to create a world where it did make sense, then go for it. But that isn't what they do. For example, the reason people complain about Batman letting villains murder thousands to maintain his own principle of not putting villains to justice is because in his world the prison can't hold them and nobody in government will fix that. In our world, putting them in prison and letting them die there would work and there wouldn't be a giant hypocrisy in not killing them.
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>>202505525
>healthy sex drive
>incest
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>>202520934
Because you can't feel sorry for the dead.
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>female character beating up male character for accidental touching 5 times per episode
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>>202521062
I know you think that post was clever and insightful, and I want you to know that it's actually simple and pointless. But I like that you are trying though.
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>>202521327
It's not meant to be clever and insightful, it's meant to figure out what the hell this guy is complaining about because there's nothing special about the example he provided.
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>>202517003
>author moves heaven and earth to downplay characters being a detestable faggot
>>then he moves heaven and earth again to make him a detestable faggot aggain but now is funny because they say so
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>romcom
>male protag shows girl basic human decency (ie - asking her whats wrong when she's crying)
>girl: "I love you because you're so nice to me."
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>>202520947
>Everything is all magically fine now that the guy who caused all the fuck shit is dead.
>He has no retainers, no one to take up his place, everyone just sings kumbaya.
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>>202521769
Fuck this was Tokyo Ghoul:re's ending
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>>202521020
>the character who loves the other character doesn't explain the reason why they refuse to advance the relationship further which could solve or resolve most of the issues right there.

Who am I fucking kidding this actually happened to me in real life.
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>>202521633
I used to be mentally ill and this is how I felt about people. It's called being borderline, very common with females from what I understand.
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>>202496924
Dude hard work wins just kidding I actually have elite bloodline and a magical demon fox power
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>>202504382
wait, Clannad?
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>>202498543
Naruto literally says hard work beat talent but it got destroyed. Instead kabuto sums it up later by saying natural talent is everything and if you don’t have it steal it from someone who does
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>>202521846
Not same anon but, i'm nice as shit to most women. I'm not ugly either i'm in decent shape (did swimming and waterpolo for years) and I didn't have girls suddently hopping on my dick. When I did get girls I had to make the first move.
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>>202512112
But this is a perfectly good explanation for why people keep around the bad guys? You choose the lesser evil when shit stronger than you shows up
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>>202521828
never liked the trope in real life or fiction
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>>202515807
he has?
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>>202522074
The way the disorder works is you have to be nice when they feel like no one else is. So obviously it wouldn't work on normal people. I did a lot of crazy things for people who basically did the equivalent of say something nice to me once. I gave away thousands of dollars to people who just said something nice to me once.
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>>202496924
>Your son is chosen one
which one do it?
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>>202501589
so nothing
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>>202519818
>>202520122
Kill yourself. Enabling menace.
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>>202521633
You really have to worry just how mentally damaged these girls are if one minute act of decency affects them so much.
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>>202522395
>gave thousands away.
Yeah anon, you're a girl from an anime. I'm sorry. Seriously, sounds like shit. I think the only manga i've seen even kinda address this is "Watari-kun no xx ga Houkai Sunzen".

Basically two girls like the MC. Both have some issues that causes them to latch on to him and there are some moments where the girls show that its quite unhealthy. For example, one girl keeps saying (and on time very creepily) that the MC was the only nice guy.

The manga isn't the best, its like a 6/10. Decent art. Not a harem bait. The guy actual gets with a girl early on and is somewhat proactive. He also has a reason why he doesn't immediately bone his gf thats perfectly realistic. Its still on going and scanslations are kinda stopping because of official translation. Might be something you like. Though then again you might just as well hate the shit.
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>>202519818
Because more often than not, the anime context is far more retarded than the real life context.

>naruto
>character kills the MCs parents
>inadvertently causes the death of his master
>assisted in the genocide of his best friends entire clan
>caused a fucking war fourth great world war that ended with the deaths of thousands upon thousands and nearly put the whole world in jeopardy
>has a change of heart and helps
>"lol you're the coolest guy"

This trope is retarded for a reason and thats because the characters being forgiven or excused would not even be so in real life. Nor do the situations in the manga allow for you to use a legal system to simply lock them away.
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>>202520934
Killing people can be excusable. Self-defense, the killed one is a bad guy, it was an accident, rage/provocation/drunk/uninentional mistake or shit like that. Rape has no possible justification.
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>>202521062
if you can provide more examples i am more than willing to listen, i don't just tell me that i am wrong tell me why i am wrong.
>>202521405
i am not the one complaining i am just saying that zuko is the onl character (atleast that i can think off) that does the trope of redeemed villain done right, if you don't think he is, well you are wrong but again atleast explain your point or provide more examples.
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>>202523266
>guy murders your family
>you rape him and beat the shit out of him

I can definitely think of some justified contexts
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Whatever Bell Cranel is. That guy sucks.
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>>202521054
nice try, limpy
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>This move absolutely will kill you if you use it, it's a last resort.

>Protagonist survives it anyhow, through some kind of other character taking the death or plotarmor.

Seriously, what's the point of a fucking suicide move if no one actually dies from it? "Oh it turns out all you had to was adjust it slightly and now it won't kill me". A good compromise would be that it at least seriously cripples or retires a character from using it, making them effectively dead as a fighter.
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>>202523053
It's very cringy to remember the things I did, I don't think I want to be reminded. Maybe I'll check it out in the future.
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>>202523266
>holds gun to childs head
>rape that woman over there or the kid and the woman die

It wasn't that hard. It's just fags like you don't think of "possible" scenarios for things that you believe are "unthinkable"
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>>202523608
No one ever just calls their bluff and kills the guy. Well outside of Golgo13.
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>father approves of his daughters boyfriend rather than impregnating her himself
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>>202523266
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>>202503695
>anime
>artistic
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>I'll be more assertive
>I liked you better when you were just yourself
>Girl still loses next episode status quo is reenacted as if nothing ever happened.
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>>202503407
KnY uses this as a crutch so hard but it's popular so obviously people love eating that tearjerker shit.
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>>202521633
does Rem from Rezero fit this trope?
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>>202523749
about that i hate some series when the parents are super supportive of their daugther getting with the selfinsert loser that has her as one side bitch
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>>202523317
can someone post the image of the guy that rapes his wife lover
>if i rape the guy that fucked my wife she is still my wife
perfect example
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>>202523288
I can't tell why you're pretending to be underage but for the record, all those names listed are two examples from a series. [Villain who was just killed because they are irredeemably evil] vs. [character who wasn't ever evil but just antagonistic, like Zuko, and got redeemed]. A number of those redeemed villains are fan favorite characters from the series because of their redemption. There is nothing about Zuko that you don't get with Takasugi or Midora or Raoh except that Zuko never really had agency until he switched sides so he wasn't even a genuine villain whereas the characters I mentioned were antagonists who genuinely created an "evil" path they believed in and then saw the error of their ways to get redemption.

There are manga that are terrible with this trope like One Piece where evil people are way too easily let off the hook but even there Oda makes some distinction between villains he doesn't find redeemable and thus writes out of the story (Arlong, Enel, Lucci, Hody) and villains who see the error of their ways and are redeemed (Robin, Katakuri, Aokiji, Smoker, Mr. 2). Oda's big problem is when he turns villains into gag characters and trivializes all the evil shit they did (Caesar Clown, Wapol, Boa Hancock, Helmeppo).
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>>202500241
A tournament arc is only as great as the characters in it. That's why the tournament of power was such a disappointment for the most part.
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>>202509191
He was a piece of shit for real but he cared about certain people. Bad people in the real world also have people they care about too.
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>>202505156
Jujutsu MC
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>>202514169
Issei from DxD?
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>>202497104
WW Link isn't even the chosen one, he just wants to save his sister. He literally has to go find his own Triforce so Ganon doesn't destroy him.
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>>202524731
Not the issue, I like his relationship with Rangiku. My gripe is specifically with the flashback that sent him on a "I was merely pretending" autism plot spanning hundreds of years to take revenge for an incident hastily asspull'd out of nowhere, one that neither truly harmed Rangiku, nor was anything she ever thought again about.
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>>202525251
Not to mention, he could've stabbed aizen in the back dozens of times before then to get what he wanted. He never thought "mhhhmmm while aizen is grabbing the hokyoku from rukia, i'll stab him right there".

Or all the other oppurtunities he had while he was a lieutenant under aizen. While we're at it, he was still an asshole because there was plenty of times he didn't have to be a dick for the plan but he still did so. Like when he tried to kill momo or fucked with rukia to give her hope etc.
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>>202523533
>ability is introduced that is super overpowered with no foreshadowing that can instantly beat the bad guy
>but also stated that it majorly fucks them up after using it
>then they recover by the next arc like nothing ever happened
Fuck you Bleach, HxH, and Naruto. DBZ was the only show to do this right because Kaioken crippled him from overuse in the middle of the fight and had to keep fighting.
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>>202525251
He took it personally
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>>202525379
Especially since he learned the trick to counter KS way back in his lieutenant days. Going along with Aizen for so long was completely counter-intuitive if it was only Rangiku he cared about all along.

No flashback would have been better than something so poorly thought out.
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>>202525379
Wasn't that because Aizen never let his guard down? He was at his most vulnerable when fusing with the Hogyoku, since he knew that nothing would stop him and it was the perfect moment for a surprise attack.

Not like it matters since at the end, even Gin's betrayal was part of Aizen's plan, he said that much.
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>>202524094
Well Subaru did almost sacrifice himself for her
though I guess it applies with Ram too with Roswaal
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>>202524094
Subaru fits this trope
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>>202513443
>Naruto is an egregious examples because both how much they hammered that hard work beats natural talent just to have the theme shitted on every time
That wasn't Naruto's theme, it was Lee's theme, and it's absolutely wrong to the Japanese.
In Japan, hard work only beats out natural talent if the natural talent don't work hard themselves.
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>>202525673
That's what he said, but gambling everything on the Hogyoku's effect on Aizen's behavior was implausible at best. Blowing the whistle on the KS' true nature while Aizen was chillan' in Central 46 would almost certainly have guaranteed his death.
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>>202516776
That's just the equivalent of the US pulling its super ultimate forbidden technique of the arc on Japan to force it to surrender.
"Killing" Japan in this situation would of been glassing the island.
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>>202525533
> DBZ was the only show to do this right
only during the saiyan arc, where the "limit" was times 4 and goku payed the price for using it.But then, the next arc goku uses times 20 and is literally fine only suffering from the injuries of the fight and not of the supposed "drawback"
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>>202525542
Autistically so, not a characteristic he had displayed before. And still it did more harm to her than not acting on it at all.
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>>202525732
Which is how it works in the real world too. I know it's hated here but I loved Kuroko a lot for this reason. You know that we only got to see the year where Kuroko's team won because they were the only ones working hard but there's no way they could beat most of the other Miracles in subsequent years.
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>>202496924
>piece of shit human being becomes a better person only through the persistent effort of actually good people

Sends a horrible message to actual pieces of shit.
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>>202513198
Vegeta, Neptuneman in Kinnikuman
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>the only good fights are at the start of the show
>MC jobs for the rest of the show until the very last fight
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>>202502597
Ask the person saying they'll be just as bad as the bad guy what gives them the right to gamble other people's lives on whether the bad guy will stop killing.
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>>202525533
>and Naruto
The rasenshuriken fucked Naruto's hand up so much we had to follow Sasuke for an arc and a half
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>>202513198
The weak didn't die though. The protagonist beat the antagonist, and showed them that their way of being an unrepentant asshole is wrong. Because if it was right, then the Anatagonist would of won.
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>>202525872
yeah doing nothing or talking to others earlier would have done more, his betrayal did even more for Aizen
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>>202519076
>uses the best arc from part 1 to justify the series
>Neji calls out op fated fucks
>Mc is obama's alien jesus reincarnation
>Omits this

Author wanks the mc to make him look more special and cooler by making him the son of Obama and the reincarnated son of alien jesus who was fated to bring unity to the world by some old ass prophet only for the 30 iq rushed author to forget all about anything Neji said. The lesson here is not to use chosen one prophecy power fantasy to manipulate no life neets. You did a good job redirecting these complaints and bringing up random shit. Run for office.
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>"we have to win this year's championship or the sport club will be shut down!"
>protag somehow goes from never playing that sport before to becoming the national champion in the same year
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>>202502597
having the mc deal with the consequences of not doing shit and taking the easy path, for example:
>in shield hero the main girl forgives a serial killer because, the bad guy kill himself 5 minutes later and everyone is happy.
>in darwins game (survival killing manga) the mc dont want to kill people and is just happy by taking the treasure from the bad guy, bad guy kill a friend of his and the mc start killing enemies because he now understand the consequences of taking the easy way out.
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>>202526529
Others? As proven by Hiroko, Aizen was ready to deal with them. That, and most Captains don't give a shit about lower ranks if they aren't part of their squad. So even if he told them, the chances of one of them acting was really low, and even more since Aizen was just a Liutenant at that point, meaning that they wouldn't even consider him a threat until they get fucked.

Like what happened to Byakuya with Ichigo.
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>>202514003
>>202515077
By the time Naruto had "Chosen one I can do anything I want" powers (about the pain arc), he had what he had been striving for most of the series (The acceptance of his peers and the village) and acting like a turbodickwaffle would of just had him lose it all immediately.
Chosen one wasn't even a factor for him until the last part of the last arc
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>>202523533
that's basically symphogear.
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>>202526920
sakuragi was kino, during the entire story he was a mediocre player that just learned to play, even after doing the one thousands shots training he still continue falling a lot.
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i have an manga/anime idea i figured out the ending and now im trying to fill the gaps in between its a great story but it has alot of plot holes and ass pulls but hella character development im also trying to figure out power systems and pull them off right no planet destroying country/city/town destroying type shit is there any threads i can take advice from any guides u would like to share
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>>202527322
>specific trope bad
>Nuh character good
Why are you guys doing this? If the chosen one status was unnecessary, why even have it. Especially in series that had a character rant about unfair destiny. The trope hurts the character. The character itself AND ALL of the other tropes of the character is a different discussion in it of itself.
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>>202523317
Yeah, but that's gay.
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>>202527660
im also afraid of the audience favoring the side characters more than the main
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>>202524288
Bakemonogatari episode 12?
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fucking stomach growling. i HATE that sound. and they make it so incredibly loud.

yet every damn anime does it.

>are you hungry
>no
>*GRRRRRRRWWWWWOOWOWWAALAAAWHWWWWLLLLLLLLLLL*
>....
>lets go get something to eat

why do they make it so LOUD
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>>202527660
>only the end
>lots of asspulls and plot holes
somehow i don't believe you about the character development
for the story follow the hero journey formula, it doesn't have to be about heroes, or an action story to use that format.
for the power system, make sure you establish what the power can and can't do and don't break it, stablish weaknesses, power ups are ok but it has to make sense within the world of the manga, make sure that even if the power scale increases, wich is totally fine, your story doesn't go from "ninjas fighting with kunais, to gods fighting on spirit megazords".
for the character development, make the character have flaws that make sense to the story and that said flaws affect the actions of the character within the context of the story.
make sure the characters interact with each other like real people.
all character must have a motivation that they have for a solid reason and not just because, the motivation must make the characters act in a certain way and make them develop in a way that is related to their motivations but learn to see things in a better way, not all characters need to improve as people, some can become worse people but as long as their motivations don't change and they act based arround their motivations, you will have great characters with great development.
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>>202523790
Peak kek
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>>202503695
To Love Ru fags defend this shit, just because according to them, you're not supposed to take it seriously.
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>>202527953
i promise you i got that tear jerking character development the story takes place in the southern united states present time it has places that has never been set foot upon alot of woods not that many cities beautiful scenery
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>>202503695
>>everything is always in a highschool
I fucking hate this
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>>202496924
Naruto doesn’t have secret blood line, there are multiple Uzumaki in the series. He just has a walking nuke inside his body
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>MC is about to put it in
>"I-I'm gonna put it in now, is that okay?"
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>>202528454
if you say so, hope what i wrote helps you, are you planning to send your manga to the tezuka manga contest? because i do, if you do, then good luck bruh
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>>202499950
>/ss/ manga
>goes with girl his age
>loli manga
>goes with girl his age
>manga where MC already has a love interest at the start
>MC goes with mysterious transfer student
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>>202527322
you could argue even his drive to get stronger was simply Asura pushing him into gaining as much power as possible for the next once in a generation showdown with Indra.
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>>202505156
Ironically Eden Zero
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>>202512955
How so this shit happens in real.life as well?
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This dude is the most relatable mc in all of anime ever.
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>>202528389
even worse after 10 years of nothing the series they want more
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>>202513275
He's not a chubby chaser.
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>>202509346
The only way I'd insert myself in Deku is by assfucking him.
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>>202513198
>>Antagonist has the "Strong live, weak die" mentality
>>Gets beaten

More like vicious asshole makes a lot of enemies, and bites more than they can chew.
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>>202496924
Villains making inconsequential points about the good guys while killing babies and being massive dickheads.
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>>202528553
i will start it at 2022 i need more time to think and learn more languages (japanese)
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>>202497104
He's not even a chosen one, he has to fucking fish up the Triforce and fix the Master Sword himself to get anything done
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>I took one pantyshot of you, now you need to have unprotected sex with me and all my friends!
I don't hate NTR but the plot and the girl is almost always super retarded
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>>202527953
>>202528454
it tackles real life situations most shit might get censored its very sad (i will get death threats if it becomes big) im also having difficulty with the villains i dont know what race i should make them i dont wanna offend a group of ppl i want some scenes animated before the manga so it can have you clinging on your seat what i just typed may sound foolish but here ya go
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>>202529088
>2
>>202528652
lmaaaaoooo
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>>202504594
>it isn't made for you.
As if that is what determines objective quality, if it panders to you. You must really love consuming the same mediocre garbage every year. Bon Appétit weeb.
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>>202525891
It's the equivalent of Madara beating up on Tenten, when's she's already defeated.
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>>202503407
Based Speedwagon calling that shit out.
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like threads like this
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>>202528842
based and fagpilled.
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>>202499058
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>>202496924
If they say he's special early it's fine. It's shit like O MY DEMON BLOODLINE in YYH that are terrible.
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>>202512422
>>202512675
Love this one
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>>202500377
>community sample of normal men
fucking DOUBT
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>>202527488
Sakuragi really was a genius, but Shohoku also lucked into Rukawa and Mitsui+Miyagi coming back at the right time
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>>202519818
The death penalty is outlawed because the justice system is imperfect and you could be killing a falsely convicted man.
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>>202496924
for me it's the 2-3 episodes of JUST flashbacks and narratives as we approach the series finale

like "Come on Buddy! YOU CAN DO IIIT!"
"That's right! My friends are counting on me!"
>Cue a 15 minutes montage of every time the MC petted somebody's dog/helped an old lady cross the street.
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>>202502597
Protag spares villain not because they're afraid of becoming like the villain, but because they genuinely believe the villain can change. Then it's up to the writer whether they want to be an optimist or jaded.

This is only really bad if they never address the villain again and the problem solves itself, or in American comics where we have 60+ years of stories where Joker's body count just keeps increasing, including hurting and killing people close to Batman, and Batman still operates on this principle
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>>202515077
> he was also often called overrated or a disappointment and treated like shit for everything but his sports skills. It also didn't help he completely sucked at fighting and had to specialize in DISARMING opponents
I'm sorry, what the fuck? Harry was not only an expert in defense against the dark arts, he taught his entire school about DADA because he was the best at it. He picked up literally any Auror related skill very quickly, expert level defense spells like the patronus, even potions and Rogue's pet dark spells. He became an Auror in the end, you know, the guys responsible for fighting dark arts.
Moreover the disarming spell was something Rogue used not just in duels, but also for real fights. It's not something you only use because you suck, it's a pro good guy fighting move. I have no idea what story you read but it probably wasn't HP.
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>>202531087
>rogue
Excuse my french, I mean Snape of course.
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>>202526436
>The weak didn't die though
Because the protagonist spared them.
>and showed them that their way of being an unrepentant asshole is wrong
Not really. That's the point: the strong can to whatever they want as long as they are strong.
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>>202530685
Does Killua count? He's edgy for what, one arc? Then he's gay and depressed.
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>killing in war is murder!
>i hate you! i like you, uwuu~ i hate you! ad nauseam
>smooth brained clean slate no personality mc and his 5-9 women of varying screentime harem
>tomgirl is clearly the best girl and best fit for mc. no personality blob childhood friend wins everytime
>any conflict arising from the simplest of miscommunications or just outright jumping over mountains to baseless conclusions
honestly most anime fucking blows
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>>202503407
>Character is popular as a villain
>Author stops making him a villain in later works
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>>202521633
It depends. How handsome is the main protagonist? If he's like, super-handsome, I would sink my fucking claws into him.
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>>202510879
How do Itachitards never get this?
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>>202503407
Fucking based, anon. This dipshit isn't only a piece of shit but also a fucking retard. Muh peace was never an option to secure peace
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>>202497104
How did you play through WW and missed the whole fucking point?
WW Link isn't the chosen one, he's just some random kid that wanted to save his sister
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>>202528842
100% this
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>>202500157
Nobody has personality
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>>202526754
The best arc had the protagonist winning exclusively through bullshit mega power the protagonist had, retarded frogposter. And the anon mentioned Asura too, and his power of the people's connection also being Naruto's, retarded frogposter.
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>>202529672
Thanks, man.
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>MC is bad for genociding group x to defend his own people from genocide
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>>202532681
Forgot pic
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>>202532698
I have read almost all the opinions and my only conclusion is that you don't like anything anymore
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>>202496924
>constantly bullied comic relief clown of the show is a good girl who literally never did anything wrong
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>>202532946
This is my first post. But yes the latest arc sucks. Marley arc was the peak of the manga.
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>>202527679
>Directly mentions Naruto as an example, showing a complete lack of understanding
>Gets corrected
>Dumb frogpost ensues
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I hate it when a show claims to be a parodying a trope while exploiting it to hell. It's why I can't stand Konosuba.
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>>202529733
It really isn't. The U.S. was preparing for a long, drawn out slugfest with Japan in order to force that surrender. They made purple hearts for that shit based on estimated casualty numbers and haven't had to make anymore since.
It really was the equivalent of "Pulling out the super move we just developed to end this now"
Especially since Japan still exists and friendship was created, mostly
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>>202531364
But why is the strong stronger? Because they're fighting for the weak.
It's a whole lot of "I'm stronger because I'm living my life more correctly" stuff.
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>>202496924
>MC is stronger / has more potential than most characters and show is open about it yet he loses 50% of the time and ends up powerless loser at the end of his arc
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>>202513985
>Louise is best girl,
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>>202534369
Can you name some other examples? Edward sacrifices his alchemy in the manga, but I can’t think of anything else.
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I believe the chosen one needs to be told he is chosen, only for him to later realise that he just as powerless as anyone else, and then having him build his himself up.
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so many cross boarder itt, yet no one seems bother.
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>>202496924
i despise cynical sarcastic i hate everyone protagonist stinks of "thats literally me" from guys that probably too scared to make eye contact
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>>202534790
I prefer BR2049. You think you are the chosen one, but you are not.
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>>202497082
This is always the worst just because that kind of character rarely gets any screentime at all, let alone extended sequences where she gets to talk to or develop feelings for the MC.
If you don't develop the relationship properly or have good chemistry, them getting together at the end feels forced.
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>Mc is up against the wall but with monologue they announce they aren't the person they used to be/they want this with every fibre of their being/everything depends on them and they won't let everyone down
>Sudden burst of power overwhelms the villain
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>>202499058
Just watched Fate Apocrypha and Last Encore back to back. God I hope this isn't a trend.
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>>202502597
Parasyte has the MC go
>I don't really have the right to take a sentient life. But if I don't kill him, he'll kill me and my family and friends. It's unpleasant but necessary to put him down here and now.
because Parasyte's deep and shit. A deconstruction on the same logic would be if your shonen MC lets the villain go, and then the villain still kills. Maybe he develops an even worse god complex for getting off scott free, or he's mad about the humiliation, and in either case he targets the MC and starts picking off his friends. Then you've got the MC dealing with someone who's dangerous to start, but also has a knowledge of how he fights, where he lives, etc. and just wants him to suffer.
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>>202534119
>But why is the strong stronger?
Better genetics, teachers, equipment and mental fortitude.
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>>202505156
Chainsaw Man. The MC is perverted but in a way that's fairly realistic for a 16 year old. He also has relevant character growth; over time he went from a simple desire to grab tits, to interest in romance and having a real gf relationship (but also he still really likes tits)
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>>202535158
In what world is this the case in anime?
Vegeta had better training, equipment, and genetics. And he lost to Goku
Sasuke had better training, jutsu, and genetics. And he lost to Naruto
The mental fortitude is the only part you're correct about, and that's because the protagonist is living their life correctly, unlike the antagonist
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>>202534790
The Lego Movie
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>>202535293
>Vegeta had better training, equipment, and genetics. And he lost to Goku
Goku lost to Vegeta. He was defeated by the team effort.
Also, Goku was trained by the king Kai, while we know nothing about Vegeta.
>Sasuke had better training, jutsu, and genetics. And he lost to Naruto
Both Sasuke and Naruto won the genetic lottery and they had brilliant masters. Also, Naruto has the fox.
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>>202535436
Very little of Naruto's powers came from genetics. The only thing he got genetically was a long lifespan.
Vegeta was trained by Frieza's elite.
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>>202536439
>Very little of Naruto's powers came from genetics
Massive chakra reserves.
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>mc manages to maintain friendships with all the women from his childhood through into his adulthood instead of driving them all away by trying to date them, sleep with them or send dick pics to them heated in the middle of the night during the midst of puberty
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>>202536536
That was the fox
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>>202536536
>>202536662
No, Naruto's chakra reserves were massive to begin with. That was just a him thing, no fox or genetics. He had 0 talent but had around 4 times Kakashi's chakra at the Wave arc.
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>>202534790
I like it if the chosen one is excited about their new status and the perks that come with it, before being beset by hardships no one else would have to endure like people trying to mooch off, lack of free time with difficult training, public image, etc. along with the standard evil that will appear in a few years. They still develop genuine relationships and grow as a person, but realizes in the end that you take the good along with the bad with the title and it's up to you to make sure the good outweighs the bad
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>>202497104
Bruh it's not about personality, it's about the ensemble getting equal screentime and are as important as the hero.
Dragon Quest XI plays the "Chosen one, blank personality" pretty straightforward but still trumps most of modern videogames in terms of storytelling because the chosen one doesn't carry the show alone.
Each of his teammates have distinct personalities and fleshed out stories and work in unison to carry the show together
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How would the anime end if Rock Lee were the main protagonist? Death by 8 gates would be the way to go imo. That shit needs a buff tho.
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>Tsundere (probably love interest) is extremely physically abusive but all is forgiven because she's a hot girl.
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>>202497104
>he only does it because he loves his grandma
You mean his sister?
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>>202537199
>That shit needs a buff tho.
?
It was the only thing that managed to injure -and almost kill- Madara, who was basically invincible. People talk about Naruto and Sasuke having Jesus powers but those didn't amount to anything at all in the end, neither against Madara nor Kaguya.
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>>202497476
>MC stops a character from killing the killer of that character's childhood friend
>brothers of the character thank the MC for the first time in the series
>the brothers kill the badguy after everyone else left
It is only surprising because how pussified a lot of writers are.

>>202496924
That is only a problem when the MC lectures the other characters about hard work like pic related.

What I really hate is a character having a clearly overpowered ability and everyone acts like it is the weakest and most useless piece of shit ability. This thing is most common in gimmick isekais except the MC later gets more conventionally overpowered abilities along with it.
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>>202496924
>Everyone wants to fuck the MC for some reason.
Otherwise known as haremshit
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>>202503407
Every KnY antagonist ever.
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>>202529088
Some people have this weird idea that villains can't be self-inserts.
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>>202502597
The villain is disarmed and all his plans are foiled. Protagonist takes mercy on him and the villain repents and becomes a born-again Christian.
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>>202532946
Honestly the manga should have either ended with that panel or have the rest of the chapters be the aftermath of the rumbling.
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>>202534043
It's especially funny when you consider that Japan probably likes the US more than almost any other country.
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>>202537449
Only half.
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>>202529338
This is super realistic though. Couple of years ago some immigrant took pictures/videos of a girl changing for PE and later "blackmailed" her to meet up for sexual services in exchange for deleting the photos/video but of course made more content. Escalated into where she was repeatedly raped by him and his friends.
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>>202510827
What's wrong with the kid part? The child doesn't carry the sins of the father.
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>>202537199
Gai kicked Madara in half with the 8 gates. Protagonist 8 gates would of disintegrated him
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>>202537694
The character you just posted is based
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>>202539458
If you like Mary Sues.
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>>202539493
say jk right fucking now
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>>202531087
Except mind shielding



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