Are japaneses homophobic ?
It depends on the person, japaneses are not a hivemind.
You do realize that ''japaneses'' are a lot of people, right?
While I agree with you, I think we both know OP meant "In general", and as far as I know, the answer is; Yes, bight time
Japan had very strict codes (picture your grandpa's grandpa as the standard grandpa), even kissing in public (and not making out, just kissing) was seen with bad eyes, so you can picture how much two guys even holding hand together would trigger then. Of course, occidental culture has been affecting Japan more and more over the last few years, making things that would be unacceptable before much more common, but that doesn't mean all perjuries are gone just like that, so it's wouldn't be odd for it to still be not as widely accepted as in the occidental world (where it's still not fully accepted)
I thought a while back this type of shit was okay in Japan. Like a few centuries ago?
its probably what sells if anything
Sometimes, especially in in some mediums were Gayness is either a Joke or people act like there is no such thing.
Then there is the S relationship mentality, That gay relationships are a phase of childish people.
But like has been stated before, different opinions from different people. It would be the same as saying everyone in the south of America is racist homophobe's, sure there is a disturbing amount that fit the stereotype but there are far more who don't.
Their brand of homophobia is very different from what you'd see in Europe and America.
In America, you'll have angry right-wing lobbyists who will tell you that you're a faggot who is going to Hell for deviating from God's will. Very hateful, but at least they acknowledge that you are gay.
In Japan, they're more like "Come on, don't be an idiot; gays aren't real. This is real life, not some poorly written manga made by a lonely woman with no life." They just act as if it's not even a thing at all. They won't necessarily hate you for it, but they'll think you're a joke.
>In Japan, they're more like "Come on, don't be an idiot; gays aren't real. This is real life, not some poorly written manga made by a lonely woman with no life." They just act as if it's not even a thing at all. They won't necessarily hate you for it, but they'll think you're a joke.
Hive mentality sure is something.
Not necessarily, I think Japan may be a bit more "accepting of it" though they'll pretend it doesn't exist. Since it's not normal, they will be heavily weirded out by it. If someone is gay, they're weird, it's a flaw in their character and it should probably just be ignored and pretend it doesn't exist. There are worse things to be treated like, they'll at least be willing to continue a working relationship with you, but they will probably be afraid to get closer, since it's different and weird.
It varies heavily by person to person though and also I'm not an expert so I could just be pulling this out of my ass.
I thought that was obvious, OP.
The only gays they accept are the ones they can laugh at.
Why do you think doujins where the gay girl or boy just needs to be made to like dicks/breasts through rape is so common?
In a way that's so much worse. At least the nutjobs acknowledge that people are, in fact, actually gay.
Domination fetish? Mindbreaking anything into loving the dick is very common in eromanga and erodoujinshi.
Its common knowledge Japanese are extremely closeted about sex in general.
The Japanese are wonderfully twofaced about things like sex in general. Basically the way it all boils down to is that everyone is expected to pretend like all of Japan is morally good, heterosexual, puritanical etc... But there is the unspoken understanding that what someone does in their own life is between them and the people they do it with. So really, everyone else knows people are out there doing any number of weird little taboo things but they just don't care so long as no one brings it up, at which point they are under social contract to maintain the facade of normalcy. But the moment you try to bring the subject up in conversation most people will just blurt out the stock and standard denial of it.
Basically as long as it doesn't end up interrupting people getting married and having kids, they don't actually care.
Considering the history of the Edo period, I don't think so. I'd be willing to say the Japanese don't really seem to care what others do privately, since their culture is very "turn the other way".
But if there were gays like the "queens" over here in clapistan who are very outspoken literal faggots, I'm sure there'd be some irritation. Though, even when it comes to straight relationships they're not big on public shows of affection and all that shit, so it wouldn't be because they're homophobic, more so they don't want sexuality out in the open, period.
Yea, it was.
A lot of them were just walking around nude.
Also they were big on smoking cannabis.
>implying they don't have every reason t be homophobic
This shit is worse than low functioning autism.
Japanese like family and tradition.
They don't care if you have some weird fetishes or likes dudes. As long as you pose as a good family member such as a good father and a functional member of society.
Thats the very core of japanese culture. They want you to act normal and have a normal life.
Japan has some weird religions that don't give a shit about fags and sexual morals. So being gay and having butt sex is not a big deal for them. But if you ask to marry another dude they'll treat you like some delusional retard that doesn't understand how life works.
>Thats the very core of japanese culture. They want you to act normal and have a normal life.
This is sorta true, but like you said, it's very facadeish and leads to the suicide problems when you have to pent it all up for a long time. That's why you get some of this extreme fetish shit. Of course, if you do it behind closed doors, they don't care, which is why people can get away with it even though it's generally known that they do it. However, if your fetishes/fuck fests a re explicitly revealed then shamefurr dispray, go commit suduko and you'll be looked down upon.
Also the worst part is, if you somehow have not lived a normal life through no fault of your own, you'll be looked down on it. The victims of the sarin gas attacks faced bullying afterwards for being victims.
Except there are some wierdos that don't accept it as a real thing. That its just deviants try to excuse their depravity. And then there are those who belive its a disease or possesion that can be cured.
>And then there are those who belive its a disease or possesion that can be cured.
If porn is anything to go by, this definitely applies to lesbians.
I wouldn't say so. If anything anime taught me over the years it's that Japan is really really gay.
Wasn't it opium ? I'm pretty sure it was Opium it's always been big in south east asia.
I'm sort of surprised by how civilized and informative this thread is.
But since their population is dwindling they don't just openly support it.
Guys cant make babies.
What a fuckload of propaganda, that homo buttsecks was mostly find throughout the history of Japan, mostly accepted during early sengoku to late meiji then it was time to get that modernization on and turned out that dirty gaijin thought that gay buttsecks was silly and so Japanese declared gay buttsecks silly, afterwards Mac Arthur made his own little dictatorship for a few years in Japan and created the hyper sex-conservative appearance that the average salary man presents.
But Japan being Japan your social persona is EXTREMELY different from your desire and private life : what was perceived as a "interesting" trait became something you do in private and indeed it's still the case nowadays : Japanese are expected to marry and have kids and the generations that's currently 30-45 ascribed to those expectation, even the gays, if your gay you cheat on your wife/husband with a guy/girl. LGBT militantism as seen in Europe and the US is anathema to Japanese culture, at best the reasonable just go to their politicians and demands politely if one day, when everything's alright, they could possibly have equal rights regarding binding unions.
So that's what being gay is about in Wapan, you pretend you're not except during buttsecks, kinda like Republicans.
Japanese people also have this very sad sense of worth. If you don't follow their rules and live to their standards you are literally useless.
People will ignore you and treat you like shit if you don't meet their expectations. Being gay is failing at being a family person and normal. Its considered childish, selfish and stupid.
And thats a big word there selfish, if you don't live your life for the best of your family or even the community you live in. People consider you worthless.
Like if you are an young man that lives in a small village and refuses to get married and have a family people will get mad at you for being selfish and not helping your village.
It's kind of ironic when you think about the majority of the young men in Japan. I mean look at them. Their apparent sense of fashion is very feminine and a lot of the people in the western world make fun of them.
I think Japan is the perfect example of how a fucked up picture of sexuality develops. People are so afraid of intimacy and have this huge problem with their sexual preferences and society jumps on that. It's wrong to do that and it's wrong to this and that is abnormal sexual behavior. Strange preferences and a specific fetish only exist because people can't be honest about their sexuality. You will always have to deal with insecure shits like>>115350271. Japan has this incredible stark contrast where on one hand you have lolis and everything that the majority of the western world dislikes and then you have these prude and strict morals/values.
I don't think it's possible to say whether or not Japs dislike fags. Not with such an uneven society.
Go back to your containment board.
Germany is fighting for gay rights and our birth rates are even lower than Japans.
Well, the reason their population dwindling is because they do NOT want to have children. I don't think openly being okay with it is a concern.
This. It has something to do with the general work intensity and that Japs have to work more and harder but get pretty much nothing for it. You can't really blame them. I wouldn't want to raise a kid when I can barely make it on my own. It's just physically not possible.
thats because germans are always fighting the wrong fight and on the bright side however they always lose
You can't stop The Gays, and soon you won't even have the "it's not legal" excuse for claiming you're not one of The Gays.
>You can't stop The Gays
we kill them for fun here and no one seems to mind
Actually in Japan the homosexual Stereotype is being a beefcake who works out all the time.
Japan is only "homophobic" by law. They were pretty much the most homosexual country before WWII.
That's interesting but I was specifically talking about the western approach and their stereotype.
I thought that was greece
homophobic, no, just anti-gay
to them, a gay person is a comical aberration, something to poke fun at and ignore.
It's nighttime /a/ and /pol/ is too busy with Ebola-Chan to give a shit.
Nah, that's a myth
basically a few centuries back, Japan had their own little version of san Francisco, where it was trendy to openly be in relationships with young boys if you were a fuedal lord, but that was over one or two generations only, and in one part of town.
The hagakure mentions it, and historians have confirmed it was a rather small, unusual occurrence.
A proper japanese individual doesn't discuss their sex life at all, and so until recently, the concept of a gay person like the western world thinks of it was a pretty alien concept. There was just "Extremely effeminate" men. Sissies if you will.
The current gay rights movement likes to overstate the importance of extremely small gay movements throughout history. It's like half of the people you hear about during black history month, which would never make it into the history books if not for the fact that it starts with "the first black ___"
I'm surprised by this too. Quite fascinating actually.
only towards females
if it's two lesbians they'll go so crazy for it they end up herniating themselves.
>and leads to the suicide problems when you have to pent it all up for a long time
the reports I have read linked the suicide problems more closely to the disjointed family unit, with the younger generation (and now, as they've aged, the middle age generation) being separated from their support group as they've moved away from family to get jobs in the city.
Combined with the cramp living spaces and the extremely low birth rate.
I'd say the failure to have a normal life is a pretty big problem. But that's what happens when you have a population used to a caste system that suddenly replaces lords with bosses. They're used to being stepped on, it's institutionalized. Many areas of the US south had that problem after the civil war
I messed that up, I meant only towards males.
this might blow your mind
but /pol/ is in this thread
Bullshit. Most samurais fucked little boys.Japs just didn't enjoy making their sexuality part of their identity. This is why they find hardo gay funny.
The whole "let me prove how independent I am in my sexual choice by sucking dildos on the street while wearing rainbow string as underwear" thing that's been taking off in the west is completely foreign to them.
It's made worse by their tendency to ignore facts, scientific research and any logic if it contradicts their beloved 常識: "common sense" as they know it in their small societal bubble. They need a ton of reforms and have for quite a while, but nothing will be done (or even acknowledged) until their metaphorical roof falls on their heads.
>>ITT: excuses for racist comments
> Also, we-hate-japanese-but-we-read-manga-anyway
>Most samurais fucked little boys
no they did not
the "samurai" who did take on young boys as the japanese equivalent to squires were usually Daimyos, not just rank and file samurai (the samurai was a soldier class, there were thousands of them) and most of them did not have sex with their squires.
>On two separate occasions in December 2010, Shintaro Ishihara made comments criticizing the representation of homosexuals in the media and categorizing lesbians and gay men as "deficient" and genetically lacking.
From the previous Tokyo Governor, with love
Its taken more of a joke there. Homosexuality had always been to some extent accepted in Japan but it never got the kind of mainstream out in the open acceptance like it did in the west. Its thought of as something quirky a few guys who are stereotypical fruitcakes are "afflicted" by. Go look up the term 'bishonen' if you want to know more.
Also, at least from what I've heard personally from people, theres a widespread misconception that there most people think that gays are actually bisexuals with a preference for men.
Same thing with lesbians here to an extent.
It's not uncommon in the west to etiher believe that lesibianiasm is just a phase which girls go through, or that they just haven't had a good dicking yet.
I think you're looking for "tolerated" not accepted
kabuki got banned because, after a stint of women performers prostituting themselves got them banned from performing, the men picked up the idea and prostituted themselves as well.
in general, promiscuity is looked down upon in japan (and often, sex at all)
BEING gay isn't exactly shunned. It's doing gay things that's shunned.
>etiher believe that lesibianiasm is just a phase which girls go through, or that they just haven't had a good dicking yet.
there's legit scientific study to back up that a large number of women that have had lesbian relationships only have it during a phase.
Also men having the "late in life gay" syndrome, where they basically have a wife, a family, the kids grow up, they hit a midlife crisis, are miserable at home, and conclude they're gay
>The victims of the sarin gas attacks faced bullying afterwards for being victims.
Thats really gross, but strangely believable.
Reminds me of that one semi-autobiographical manga that was written by a lesbian. Her father thought she was joking when she came out of the closet.
>gays are actually bisexuals with a preference for men
Many of them are. Not many people are absolutely 100% gay; women in particular seem to be rather fluid in what turns them on.
Leave it to /lgbt/fags to start their cancerous /lgbt/ threads on /a/.
>Also the worst part is, if you somehow have not lived a normal life through no fault of your own
The fault is always your own. You could have been a better person but you failed. That's why you should kill yourself.
Maybe women are straight up more attractive than men.
Yeah fascinating how many crossboarders are on /a/ these days.
opium was introduced by white people as a trade good. They realized their substance was addictive and pushed it very hard on SE asians. It's actually native to the mid east. Smoking opiates was always traditionally frowned upon until colonization.
Leave it to them to use "muh pro-lgbt" to excuse racism.
The double standards are real.
We all know "lesbian" is just a phase.
Stop replying to yourself.
Why is the middle east the birth place to all things shitty
and I think you found your answer
Well yeah. We are talking about a society that apparently still discriminates based on what job a person's ancestor had hundreds of years ago.
Not that different from the Western countries. Most parents would either pull the muh sin card (if they're christfags) or the good old "you just haven't met the right girl/guy" if they're not.
well it's hard to pinpoint exactly where man first originated. West africa likely first from genetic data then a diaspora ocurred. The middle east was just on the way to the nicer parts of the world so very early settlements were found there. While the fertile crescent is a very early civilization it's more likely that it is the latest one with surviving evidence of existence rather than the defacto first.
Think of dinosaurs. No one will find the first dinosaur because the fossil simply does not exist anymore.
Well most of the time it's completely true. See all those lesbians that end up sucking dick.
What I'm curious about is the concept of skinship. The japanese are totally okay with displaying their bodies in certain settings unlike american or even chinese people. While asians in general are more open to physical contact between same genders, the japanese in particular are very liberal in certain settings like the bath.
>Basically as long as it doesn't end up interrupting people getting married and having kids, they don't actually care.
What, like straight couples are having any kids to begin with.
You'd see homos in animu aimed at kids and teenagers in the '90s when it was controversial to show gay people even on US TV aimed at adults. The west's gay rights movement progressed a lot more than Japan's had over the past decade, but they were also coming from further back - Japan only banned same-sex activity briefly the in the 1870s, while parts of the US still had anti-sodomy laws on the books until 2003.
No same-sex marriage there and there are still ideas like that girls grow out of lesbianism after high school, but it's more tolerant than practically everywhere else in Asia, and a good chunk of the West to boot.
A couple friends I have in Japan think faggots are just crazy in the head, like they're ill.
I suppose not. And it's still better than the Japanese method of pretending the problem isn't there.
Perhaps even... hard gay.
Hard candy kind of gay?
>all Abrahamic religions
Fixed that for you. And for why, there's a theory that being a society of goat herders predisposes you to becoming a society filled with vengeful kneejerking faggots.
The other way around with all the annoying tumblr bitching actually. If I ever have kids I am going to smack sense into them so they don't become tumblr pieces of shit. And I don't mean literally, cunts need humility hammered into them.
Jew please, it's only you and muslims that are shit.
The only reason Christians in the West seem okay now is because they're secularized as fuck. Secularized Jews and Muslims aren't the problem either.
Go to Africa and it's hard to tell the Christians and the Muslims apart except by their tendency to slaughter each other in the countries that have both of them. Or open a history book.
> shitty thing
i want /pol/ to leave
> Christians in the West seem okay now
They don't though
Agreed. Reminds me of when the T&B staff got into a discussion about the MC's critical character flaws (denial, being too set in one's ways, constant self-deception) and one of them asked if such people existed in reality. The writer said "The Japanese." and shit became awkward.
I'd too slaughter anyone who tried to stop me from eating delicious pork or didn't want me to drink water and eat ice-cream in August.
Why would japs be scared of faggots?
Catamites were actually pretty rare, although nowadays they're portrayed as a common practice historically.
Homosexual academics, cherry-picking literature in an effort to validate their sexual deviancy, have had a tendency to take pejorative accusations at face value. So when a writer from antiquity infers someone was a boy-fucking-faggot, they don't read it as an insult, but as a documented fact. That way it supports their agenda.
There's actually very little evidence of shudo occurring, and all the modern cites are studies by homosexual authors with dubious basis.
There are some extreme ones yeah. But the region where I'm from isn't that bad
>There's actually very little evidence of shudo occurring
Not that this is any proof that everyone was fucking little boys, but isn't there a few pieces of pornographic art depicting it?
but they are. most Christians, in at least the US, who think of their faith as being a central part of their life might annoyingly say in casual conversation "I'm a Christian" as if it's something to brag about in a mostly-Christian country (especially if they're over 40 years old), but they usually keep it to that unless you start shitting on their religion. And what they believe will change with popular opinion, so now that being gay is okay most dedicated Christians who would have been against homosexuality 20 or so years ago are okay with it now because everyone else is
The Christians you're probably thinking of are the equivalent of MRA's on the internet; they certainly exist, and you hear from them a lot, and they are probably just as retarded as they sound, but there aren't as many of them as it seems.
>japanese are not a hivemind
they are literally the closest thing to a national-level human hivemind that exists on the planet
>be a Czechfag
>only 11% of the population is Catholic; other faiths are even smaller
>the Church still insists on making life shit for everyone because muh communist oppression
Fuck this gay Earth.
Because I'm fucking lazy, is there anybody in this thread who was actually lived in Japan and has knowledge of this subject? Obviously, as in all countries, it probably depends where and how you make it known that you're gay. I would suspect that Tokyo and big cities are more liberal and that smaller towns are not but that's not necessarily entirely factual.
As a gay person, I've wondered a bit about how much this would be an issue if I traveled there. I suspect that as a foreigner they might not care as much, hopefully. This lesbian blog I found about the gay scene in Tokyo made it seem like it was definitely there but you really had to know somebody who knew somebody to actually find the gays.
If you're a foreigner, they're gonna see you as some kind of exotic pet anyway, no matter what you do. And I think networking to find potential hookups is common practice anyways. Like the other anons said, the culture is very much "don't make a scene, do your duty, and weird shit is fine as long as I don't hear about it"
You don't like sexy boys what are you gay or something
I wish Kinomod were here.
I wish you weren't such a bitch.
>Japanese people also have this very sad sense of worth.
That is infinitely better than the "everyone is a special snowflake" attitude we have in the west.
>all those lesbians
Are /a/nons really the best people for that assessment?
>As a gay person
Why haven't you killed yourself?
>What is North Korea
considering the volumes of art that japan made, "a few pics" constitutes very little evidence.
they also made art of women having sex with octopuses
so, grain of salt.
I really liked that manga,stopped reading when the protagonist changed.Did it got better or worse?
Indeed. The west if full of entitled cunts that make me want to join ISIS.
Fair enough. Mind you, it never really seemed like that much of a stretch.
Tiger & Bunny, I think.