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Is Madoka considered entry level? Why or why not?
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>>115346519
Yes and no. Yes because it's easy to watch and tremendously popular. No because you need some knowledge on magical girls before hand to fully enjoy it
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My six year-old sister liked it so I'd say it is.
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>>115346612
>No because you need some knowledge on magical girls before hand to fully enjoy it

Not really.
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>>115346612
>No because you need some knowledge on magical girls before hand to fully enjoy it
How so? I actually just finished it and fucking loved it. I've never even touched another Magical Girl series
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>>115346690
>My six year-old sister
Have you brushed her teeth yet?
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Anyone can watch it.

But you'd have to be pretty versed in Magical girl Sentai to "Get it."

Much like Eva (Mecca sentai) or Excel Saga (every anime ever) like that
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Just pretend the phrase "entry level" doesn't exist anymore, because it hasn't had an actual meaning in years.
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Utena is a better magical girl deconstruction than Madoka.

Utena is a better everything than Madoka.
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>>115347321
No, she's a big girl.
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>>115347436
for you
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>>115347397
It really never has. My father's first anime was Texhnolyze. I guess it sucks now right?
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Nope it's mid level like Code Geass and K-On! Entry level would be something you can show someone with little to no experience with anime and not have to worry about them getting it or it being "too japanese".

Entry level shows are like Samurai Champloo, Bebop, Trigun, Black Lagoon, FMA, etc.
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No.

Simply because it's not popular enough among casuals to be so.
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Yes, it's extremely entry level.
my 7 year old brother has even watched it.
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Entry-level at this point just means something that even if you know nothing about anime you've still heard of it at some point

I knew about Eva probably 4 years before I finally watched it, and that was like a decade ago. I'd also never seen an anime before.
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>>115346519
No because people who hates moe will drop it in the first half of the first episode. My 15 years old brother is proof of this.
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It is, mostly because it's extremely popular but also because it's easy to casuals with little to no knowledge in anime to watch it (no pantyshots, doesn't rely on japanese culture, fast pacing, etc).
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If it's on netflix it's entry level

End of story.
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>>115346612
enjoying madoka requires a particular sweetspot of knowing what the magical girl genre is, but having little to no actual experience with it. the more magical girl shows you've seen the less impressive madoka becomes.
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>>115347847
>This
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>>115347847
Sidonia is entry level?
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>>115347868
>>115347868

Yeah. Per much. Urobochi basically took all the magical girl tropes and asked 'how do I shoehorn murder into this?'
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Most of the best anime is quite entry level anyway, trust me i've seen 500+ shows.
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>>115347847
>clannad
>seto no hanayome
>lucky star
>kanokon
>kanon 2006
>Rozen Maiden
>ika Musume
>Shana

>all entry level
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Madoka needed some hot lesbian action
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>>115348098
you say that like you've highlighted some kind of contradiction
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Yes, my sister has only seen 10 animes and Madoka is her favorite animes.
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>>115346519
Madoka is popular as fuck with low-powerlevel plebs, so I'd say it is.
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>>115347997
Yes

>SnK is entry level?
>KLK is entry level?
>Madoka is entry level?
>SAO is entry level?


Looking at the netflix anime list the one thing I see that I wouldn't call shitty or entry level is Eden of the East

>>115348098
Those aren't on burgerclap netflix

If a normalfag can watch it without doing anything more than scrolling over it and hitting play then it's entry level. It's entry level because it's being offered to people with nonexistent or low powerlevels, to entice them to start watching more anime.
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>>115348098
They are entry level except maybe Lucky Star because of references.
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>>115348130
How about you name something that ISN'T entry level?
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>>115348226
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>people still thinking entry level = bad
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>>115346519
It's NGE of anime so yes.
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>>115348033
There was no murder in Madoka.
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>>115348284
Except nobody said that.
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>>115348226
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>>115348370
You can easily spot which people think that way.
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>>115348283
>>115348421
>deepfags
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>>115348187
Literally almost every single show this season is on Hulu.

Yes, I know Hulu is shitty.
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>>115348435
Problem is a lot of loud people do.
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>>115347566
Most casuals I know won't shut up about Madoka. It's only slightly less popular amongst casuals than shit like SNK
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>>115348033
Wow, you sound like a real intellectual.
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>>115348187
>If a normalfag can watch it without doing anything more than scrolling over it and hitting play then it's entry level. It's entry level because it's being offered to people with nonexistent or low powerlevels, to entice them to start watching more anime.
You're thinking way too deep about this. Streaming services put up whatever they can get licenses for.
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>>115348719
http://www.hulu.com/browse/tv

Change genre in upper left to anime.

Literally all this is entry level according to /a/.
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>>115348770
Except the other guy was talking about Netflix, not Hulu.
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>>115348974
But they're both streaming services.
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>>115348770
Entry level is about whether or not a person can pick it up with little to no barrier to entry. Accessibility is the first and biggest hurdle in that. So yeah, if it's on a well known publicly accessible streaming site, it's half way to being entry level. The second half of it is just whether or not there's anything about it that would otherwise prevent a person from watching/understanding it. this isn't rocket science
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i liked madoka
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>>115349025
They carry different weight, I forgot Hulu even existed while Netflix is now a household word
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>>115349093
/a/ also did.
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>>115349032
That's pretty much how Hulu works.

You're telling me all of the stuff on Hulu is entry level then?


>>115349096
You don't equal everyone anon.
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>>115348187

SnK - babby's first action
KLK - babby's first action with tits
Madoka - babby's first angst
SAO - babby's first drama/harem with Gary Stu protag

That about cover it?
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>>115349177
You're not understanding what I'm saying, normalfags and casuals don't think "Hulu" when they think of streaming, they think "Netflix"
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>>115348770
How do they have that much anime? Do they sub on their own or do they take fansubs and stream them?
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>>115346612
Yes and yes.

Everyone knows what sailor moon is; that's all the background any casual would need.
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>>115346519

is entry level in Australia, Italy and Germany they watch madoka in televisiĆ³n.
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>>115349149

/a/ is a big tsundere for titles like Madoka because they're so mainstream and entry-level, but they're also easy for waifu-dibs and constant "best girl" threads.

Just like how they're just as tsundere for SAO, Naruto, Mahouka and other equally shit anime because of wish-fulfilment and easy discussion since even the plebbist of the pleb have seen enough episodes of these series to regularly shitpost about them.
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>>115347397

The concept of "entry level" is dead.

Today normalfags can watch internet simulcasts, or download; any anime same day as Japan; in Pirate bay, kissanime, mcanime , twitter and more sources.
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>>115346519
Dear /a/non, Madoka is total entry level anime. Watch Daimahoutouge for real deconstruction of magical girl. Thanks.

From anime pro.
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>>115349620

Nah the actual "deconstruction of magical girl," if that's even considered more than a buzz-term, is Saikano. The writer even said so himself that it was a series basically made to rub fantasists the wrong way, in that men in general have a tendency to go for the "impossible girl" (magical girl i.e. Chise) when a good option has been beside them the entire time (best friend type i.e. Akemi).

Choosing the magical girl wound up with the complete and utter annihilation of the human race, and I have yet to even hear of another anime that's topped that.
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>>115349620
>implying madoka is a deconstruction and not a modern Faustian tale

Quoting anarchic German plays (and later an English poem) is hardly entry level

Is it?
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>>115346705
It really helps. Otherwise the ironies of friendship and believing in yourself failing so badly and the magical mascot being the real villain aren't as sharp.
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>>115347868
>enjoying madoka requires a particular sweetspot of knowing what the magical girl genre is, but having little to no actual experience with it. the more magical girl shows you've seen the less impressive madoka becomes.

I guess my having watched Nanoha and virtually nothing else besides a couple of Sailor Moon episodes was ideal, then.
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>>115348305
>There was no murder in Madoka.
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i honestly thought that when Mami died, Madoka was going to use her wish to revive her, or she would come back to life somehow.

I really didn't think she would just be dead. i was like holy shit
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>>115351572
>i honestly thought that when Mami died, Madoka was going to use her wish to revive her, or she would come back to life somehow.

But you were right.
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>>115350673
unrelated but thank you so much anon i've been trying to remember saikano's name for 2 months now and it's been driving me insane.
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It isn't. Entry level shows are things that are very easy for normals to get interested in. People not already interested in anime are going to find Madoka's designs strange and aren't going to understand the idea of magical girls. Being entry level is not about being uncomplicated. Eva is entry level and is complicated.
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>>115351317
It isn't murder if the victim isn't even a human
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>>115352633
I'll keep that in mind, you little shit.
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>tfw rewatched the scene where homura shoots madoka a few hundred times
>tfw that squeel homura gave before she shot Madoka gave me the weirdest feel
>tfw that squeal is my ringtone
>tfw it went off in class
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>>115352976
Damn..what happened after?
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>>115353315
Professor asked me to leave. Everyone looks at me like I'm a regard. I gave no fucks because I remembered Hokuras pain
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>>115353676
The pain is real.
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>>115346519
Yes, for people that take everything at face value.

No, for people who understood that Homura did nothing wrong.
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>>115352976
You must be some kinda latent criminal having that heart-wrenching cry as a ringtone.
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yes because it's popular

popular = entry level
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>>115346519
Entry level only means that someone who is a complete newbie to the genre can watch and appreciate it for what it is. So yes, Madoka is entry level, since you can watch it even if you're not a fan of mahou shoujo genre and don't know almost anything about it, and still appreciate Madoka as an anime.

Entry level does not automatically mean popular. An anime can be popular without being entry level, and an anime can be entry level without being popular.
Same goes for quality. The term "entry level" is often used as an insult, to imply the anime (or any other work of fiction) is bad, but there is no rule stating that just because something is entry level, that it's bad (or that it's good).
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madoka is a classic
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>>115360598
Can something be genuinely a classic after 3 years?
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>>115360727

whatever properties something has that makes it a classic inherently has those properties at creation because media cannot and does not change or alter itself over time.

that said madoka isn't a classic
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>>115360782
What if people are still talking about it 10 years from now?
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Madoka is considered entry level for the same reason most shows are. It became popular enough to attract casual watchers and is thus automatically bad, according to some hipster idiots on /a/.
I do think the show is significantly overrated, especially with shaft pulling their usual budget-saving shit and trying to pass it off as an artistic choice.
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>>115360727
yes
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>>115347434
But Madoka didn't deconstruct anything in the first place.

Do the plot twists in Madoka make you question the underlying narratives of the genre, or are they just plot twists? Madoka isn't a deconstruction because it never raised any questions about the mahou shoujo genre.

>Utena is a better everything than Madoka.
This.

Utena criticized harmful shoujo tropes (idealized shoujo romances, the damsel in distress cliche). It also wonderfully deconstructed the damsel in distress trope so commonly seen in its genre/demographic (mahou shoujo/shoujo)

What did Madoka do? It killed off girls one by one.

All of that said, I still consider Madoka a great series.
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>>115346612
Most Madoka watchers haven't watched a mahou shoujo before Madoka and still claim its the best. They may have watched Sailor Moon or CCS as kids.
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>>115347434
Don't tell them anon. Also Madoka isnt a deconstruction.
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>>115347703
>hates moe
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>>115347847
>yamadas first time
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>>115348294
NGE is anime
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I don't considerate it entry-level.

I would never recommend it to a normalfag, normalfags like shounen and the like, not a bunch of girls eating cake and drinking tea and crying a shitload.

Even if there is some "action" it's not the same as say FMA, bebop, champloo, ninja scroll, hellsing etc..
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>Madoka is moeshit
>Madoka is yuri
>Madoka is hipster
>Madoka is deconstruction
Is this the fabled 'bait' I keep hearing about?
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>>115363032
Fill in the blank anon

Madoka is _______
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>>115347558
Does Samurai 7 count? My dad and I binge watched that on Netflix whenever I came home. Mother never really got into it.
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>>115362460
Madoka deconstructed the magical girl genre in general.
Most importantly is it right throw the powers and responsibility of magical girls onto little girls.
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>>115349620

Daimahoutouge is a parody though.
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>>115354604

>bending the law of physics to be with her waifu

Truly an ideal role model for all of us.
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>>115347434
How about pacing?
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>>115362605
I'm not even sure Madoka is a mahou shoujo. It has the elements of a mahou shoujo but they aren't used the way they are typically used. I mean KLK follows the generic mahou shoujo guidelines more than Madoka does.
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>>115363897
Yes. Utena was given time to build up everything for the finale(and fully flesh out the characters). The style and timing to the way things unfold is magnificent.
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>>115364322
>comparing character develpoment in a 50 episode series with a 12 episode one.

I would fucking hope it does it better. Madoka accomplished what it set out to do in the time it had. Madoka had excellent pacing and no filler and with 12 episodes managed to do what other anime couldn't with 2+ cours.
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>>115347493

There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest guy around?! Oh my God.

I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little Bane thread up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just choose the picture. Oh, and we all know the picture. The "epic" CIA agent guy, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about a capeshit movie. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic Banefag NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "FOR YOU FOR YOU FOR YOU." You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.
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>>115362460
If you think Utena is some original deconstruction you need to go watch Rose of Versailles. And just like that, because I have reveled how little you know, your entire argument has been invalidated.
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>>115347847
Shinsekai Yori was on Hulu at one time, does that make it entry level?
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>>115364783
Utena is 39 episodes.

We could compare the first arc(13 episodes) to Madoka. I think it's safe to say it still wins in the development department.

>>115365065
I've seen and read it. The manga is one of my favorites.
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>>115365206
That would be because Madoka also had a whole plot to wrap up as well.
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>>115365206
But Madoka purposefully chose well known and established archetypes so that there wouldn't be any need for 20+ episodes building character. This allowed them to deliver the crux of the series better.
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>>115365386
>>115365395
I want Urobuchi's next anime to be more character driven than plot driven, because his plots suck. And the ending of Madoka felt like a spit in the face to all of the girls struggles.
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>>115365666
>the ending of Madoka felt like a spit in the face to all of the girls struggles
wat
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>>115364783

the pacing was really quite bad, a lot of meaningless dialogues that did nothing to flesh out the characters. over half of the episodes are used on a side story that is completely separate from the main character and ultimately irrelevant because it was just another alternate reality.

get real man.
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>>115365771
>a lot of meaningless dialogues that did nothing to flesh out the characters
Such as what? Pretty much all the dialogue did nothing but flesh out either the characters or the setting.

>over half of the episodes are used on a side story that is completely separate from the main character and ultimately irrelevant because it was just another alternate reality
Dude what



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