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WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED
HOW DID SHE BECAME SO CUTE
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Rhino magic, thank you based Rin.
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>>115345453
She always was, she just got decent people in charge of the art direction.
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worms
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Ufotable is just testing the waters.
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OH GOD
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>>115345453
Most perfect TM since day 1.
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>>115345453
She was always pretty cute. You just didn't realize it before because /a/ gives you the impression that the only notable thing about her is worms.
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>>115345453
rape worms
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wormslut is pure loev
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>>115345502
This, Rin a cute.
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>>115345453
soo... does ufotable change the story to remove the rape or is the rape still a canon part of her?
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The cutest
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>>115346371
oops forgot my trip
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>>115346371
I don't know why they would cut out the Shinji rape if they kept in the worm rape.
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>>115345453
She became a servent
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>>115346443
>Shinji rape
dropped
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>>115346371
Sakura-san isn't Sakura-san without rape.
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>>115346525
i want to rape that smile
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>>115346443
dick rape and worm rape are 2 different ball games son. Would you drink a soda with gummy worms inside or a soda with 12 grown dicks?
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>>115346088
don't call her wormslut you bully
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>>115346765
you know what. im just gona go with ufotable chickening out and removing the shinji rape
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>>115346895
Whatever lets you sleep at night.
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when I've read through HF

man Shirou was fucking horny as fuck compared to the other routes
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>>115347031
the inclusion of the rape just makes it better
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>>115346895
that's what I'm doing
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>>115347106

Both of them were horny as fuck dude.

Shirou did it to fulfill her desires.
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>>115347031
you know if shinji had just treated her well after returning from his studies she would have willingly given him the V
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Rhino magic, thank you based Rin.
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>>115346696
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>>115347191
Im pretty sure he wanted to do it himself without shutting down so far

and dream "rin" was rider right?
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>>115347202
yeah seeing as how she felt that no one actually loved her.
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>>115347303
I think so, going off the eyes.

Honestly I would have preferred outright rider sexings to pretend rin, it was nice to interact with rider beyond saber excaliburing her.
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>>115347303

Maybe
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When Rin asked if Shirou Masturbated to the girl he liked, was she referring to her, or to Sakura? Because from the introduction she saved him mainly for Sakura, so if she was trying to be bro she might have been trying to see if it was Sakura he was interested in.
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I don't want to read the vn. I watched Fate/Zero and I kind of want to watch F/SN but some of the characters don't seem interesting like the ones in F/Z. Shirou also seems like a shit compared to Kerry.
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>>115347616
Try harder.
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>>115345453
>lets you get up late
>gently chides you for sleeping somewhere other than in bed hopefully with her
>makes your breakfast while you do your daily workout
>is happy to clean your house as well
>doesn't ask for anything but your D

She's the perfect waifu for neckbeards. That's why she suddenly became "cute".
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>>115346831
I kinda want the Tohsaka skinned Sakura.
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>>115347303
Dream rin was rider

She gets all the best H scenes
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>>115347909
She's also filled to the brains with worms, so if fishing is your thing, she's perfect.
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i want to make sakura a mother
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>>115347950

Yeah, that would be great, if it wasn't for the fact that she would be more outgoing and certainly be a lot closer to Rin in personality and never would fall in love with Shirou in any circumstances even with the high jump IMO.
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>>115347909
She's also a shit.
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>>115347909
>implying i'm a neckbeard
m8 pls
she's the perfect waifu for every male
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>>115347303
I never got that scene. Why did Rider do that?
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>>115345453
She was always cute.
All Fate girls are cute.
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>>115348288
Basically? Prana, mage spunk is full of it, it's a halfway decent way to supplement a servents stocks if they're willing to go there.
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>>115348005
>Not fishing with lancer
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>>115348382
But she already had enough prana from Sakura.
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>>115348280
>she's the perfect waifu for every male
This. Shirou's no lazy piece of shit either.
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Sakura is the cutest Fate.
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It's actually like they sucked all the cute out of Rin and shoved it into Sakura for this adaptation.
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>>115348591
Rin is a adorable.
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>>115345687
my heart
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>>115348430
>Dat fishing contest scene
>Archer projects a (bootlegged) super fishing pole

Using your superpowers right.

Using
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Shirou was dumber than his Fate route and UBW route combined in the beginning of HF. Only after he goes and hugs Sakura in the rain does he start to smarten up a tad.
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>>115348524
I'm not even a saberfag and I think she's really cute
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>>115348688
Was UBW Shirou even really all that dumb?
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Sakura absolute perfection. Eat shit Rinfags.
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>>115348810
>Sakura absolute perfection

Even her own dear grandfather disagrees.
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>>115348763
UBW Shirou accepted Saber fighting early on. He was already much smarter.
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>>115348843
He's not her real grandfather.
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>>115348896
How can you even say that? He took her in after her heartless parents disowned her. He gave her everything, and she still turned out to be a disappointment.
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>Mfw my Shirou/Emiya folder is bigger than my Rin and Saber folders put together
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>>115348843
I loved that whole scene. It was just 20 minutes of shitting on Sakura.
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>NTR'd
>fucked by worms 5 days straight
>does it every night and morning literally
>worms ate her womb so she can't get pregnant

She's not even human anymore.
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>>115349088
also

>got raped by her step brother
>no feelings whatsoever, not even for her step uncle trying to help her
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>>115348656
Stop posting Angler.
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Since Tokiomi's stupid and had another daughter like the weak sperm pussy he is, what stopped him from training both daughters?
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>>115349036
>Rin: 1118
>Shirou (Including Archer): 423
>Ilya: 208
>Taiga: 195
>Saber: 161
>Sakura: 132
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>>115349088
I thought they just ate her placenta
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>>115349232
No, they ate it all.
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>>115349184
Because only one can inherit the crest, and there's also the issue of the possible sealing designation:

From the F/Z 3rd novel:

For Rin and Sakura, there were no choices for them in the first place.
One of them has all elements, having five multiple elements as her alignment. The other has
no elemental alignments, having Imaginary Numbers only. Both sisters have a rare potential
that can be equated to miracles. This had surpassed the limits of so-called natural talents or
inborn skill; it is almost like a curse.
A magical nature would equally gather magical powers to it. Prominent people who are far
outside the rules inevitably ‘gather’ equally extraordinary experiences. This can not be
controlled by the person’s own will. There is only one way to deal with this kind of a destiny
– consciously walk away from the rules yourself.
Apart from understanding and practicing the way of magecraft themselves, there are no other
ways to deal with the magical powers hidden in the blood of Tokiomi’s daughters. Moreover,
the protection of the Tōsaka house can only be endowed on one of them. This fact tormented
Tokiomi for a long time. The one who did not become the inheritor would get mired in all
kinds of odd evens due to her own blood, and trouble wound find her. If the Association
found this kind of ‘ordinary humans’, those guys would definitely gladly put her in
formaldehyde as a specimen in the name of ‘protection’.
Precisely because of that, it was nothing better than a godsend for the Matō house to hope to
have Sakura as their adopted daughter. He had obtained the way to have both his beloved
daughters inherit first-class magecraft, unconstrained by their bloodline’s consequence, and
carve out their own lives. At that time, Tokiomi could be said to be freed from the heavy
burden of being a father.
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I don't even like Sakura (too passive aggressive), but Ufo really did upgrade her. It also helps that the VA got her voice down extremely well.
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>>115349333
>i dont even like sakura

are you implying anyone does
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>>115349206
>Not having a rider folder
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>>115349440
Probably have about 50 or so pictures floating around unorganized in my "main" Fate folder.
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>>115349304
What a great father.
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>>115347909

>attachment issues
>a little too passive aggressive

It's mostly her VA that pisses me off. She's not a shit, but personality wise Rin > Sakura = Rider > Saber.
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>>115349594
Hey, wanna die? Play through Heaven's Feel and take a shot every time she says "senpai".
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There's nothing wrong with Sakura's vagina.
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>>115348843

Is that taking the piss on Zouken's senility/dementia/memory loss by making it absurd? Or did it somehow actually happen?
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>>115349594
>Sakura = Rider
What? Rider's personality is way better than Sakura's.
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>>115349088
>family magic genes are dying
>bring in an outside mage girl to revive family
>immediately toss her in a room full of flesh eating bugs
>she has no womb to make more magic kids
>Zouken did this intentionally

Fucking why.
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will sakura ever win the shirou bowl
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>>115349652

It's all that fucking over done 'nicety' that I hate, I know it's a product of her situation but holy fuck do I hate it, sets off alarm bells in my head.
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>>115349767
Not to mention she had some fucking amazing potential to win the war with her imaginary numbers affinity and he went and tried to change it to water.
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So are they animating all the routes?
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>>115348024

Shame she has no Uterus.
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>>115349887
UBW is getting 25 episodes. Heaven's Feel has a confirmed movie; possibly movies.
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>suddenly all this Sakurafags out of fucking nowhere
Leave my waifu alone, faggots.
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>>115349767
Soul-Alzheimers is one hell of a thing.
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>>115349822
Nobody will win the shirou bowl, he has to go become a hero!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiwHmKzD314
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>>115345636
more like creating converts
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>>115349925
She has been mine for over half a decade and I couldn't be happier right now.
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>>115349594
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A sakura thread this long without obligatory?
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>>115349850

What? Is that like a danger zone thing for you every time someone is overly nice to you?
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>>115350285
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>>115350353
Not him, but less is more.
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>>115349304
it should be noted that there are numerous examples of families raising multiple mages, of course this often results in trouble, in fighting and such.
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>>115350416

As another anon said, blame Nasu and his attachment to kouhai moe.
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>>115347909
But will she put her life on the line to defeat wormy old men?
Will she CQC Caster and Kuzuki with you?
Will she teach you a special move that will let you defeat Servants?

We need to get our priorities straight here.
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>>115350038
Seihai-kun really is the best at giving advice
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>Best girl is going to be phasing out more and more while Rin rises up

That just means I'll have unique hipster taste for still loving best girl.
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Why did Sakura never blow all her seals on a gamble of 'Rider go to Shirou, tell him everything and help him'.

Now, if I recall correctly Zouken has a degree of real time information gathering from Sakura's worms and can either kill or cause pain. This could have happened either right off the bat when he summoned Rider or after Shinji dies/get sidelined.

What does she have to lose at that point, she's a fucking slave and prisoner and knows it. Sure she's had that beaten into her over the years, but she's never had such major tool at her disposal.

She could even just go 'Rider kill Zouken, Shinji and then go away', effectively suiciding.

Clinging to hope that Shirou would notice was too cheap a rescue, she should have done more reckless things to try help herself.
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>>115350554
Seihai-kun can answer any question.
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>>115348717
Every fate is cute specially shirou

Sakura is just the cutest
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>>115346696
>implying you'd protect it when Kariya couldn't
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>>115348448
No she didn't, Sakura was burning prana because of the crest worm, remember
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>>115350611
I'm not sure I understand your question. Telling Shirou what she knew wouldn't have changed anything. Killing Zouken would effectively mean killing herself since the worm is inside her and she was too weak to do that.
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>people actually like worst girl now
T-Thanks Ufotable...
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>>115349088
>worms ate her womb so she can't get pregnant

Are you retarded? It ate her hymen. Her womb is fine.

Can't believe /a/ doesn't know the difference between a hymen and the womb. It's impressive.
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>>115350666
Sakura was feeding mana into AM.
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>>115350611
Sakura's not a fighter like Rin and Saber. She's a damsel in distress bonded with an antagonist. It's part of the reason I can't like her.

The other reason is plot stupidity. Like when she goes to Zouken expecting to get turned into the Grail. And leaves Rider behind.
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>>115350765
>Can't believe /a/ doesn't know anything about women
Really anon? Really?
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MOOOOOOT
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IT'S DOWN
BOOGIE BOOGIE BOOGIE
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>>115349088

Huh, I thought her express purpose was to be a breeding horse. Zouken wanted her kids to be in the 6th war.
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fuck you moot
this same shit just happened two days ago
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>>115350638
Indeed!
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>>115350811
I'd assume with all those doujins they fap to they'd at least learn what a hymen and a vagina is.

I mean sure, they'd think they can put their penis inside the womb, but still.
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>>115350846

Yeah, but Zouken kind of let things slip from his grasp. Soul Alzheimers and all.
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MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
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>>115350765
>>115350846
Didn't we sort this out a while ago? Lust worms eat a woman's womb or whatever, but Sakura wasn't given to those, she was given to the training worms.
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THANKS MOOT
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>>115350846
Yes, basically. That anon doesn't know shit.
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pls don't let this last long, I can't stand shitposting in the archive
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>>115350805
> And leaves Rider behind.

She did that to protect Shirou
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>>115350811
Agreed. I could see Anon not knowing the difference because this IS /a/
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>>115350882

Well, why didn't she fall Pregnant the umpteen number of times Shinji did her? I doubt he was considerate enough to use protection.
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>>115346415
>oops forgot my trip
Jesus fucking Christ.
>>115346525
Would you faggots go back to /le hikikomori /soc/ &im a neet lol/
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Oh for crying out loud.
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>>115350877
Are you that anon that misunderstands soul rot every other thread?
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its still down 4 me
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>>115350865
>implying the people who draw those doujin know what a hymen and a vagina is
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>>115350943

No, I just parrot what others say because I haven't yet been enlightened as to exactly how that works yet. Care to be the one to clear this mess up?
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>>115350865
>doujins
You mean the same medium where stories often involve women taking dicks right into the womb with notserious repercussions?

I don't think you're thinking this through at all.
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It might be a regional thing

4chan doesn't load for me, but it does for the archives and for external catalogs
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>>115350931
Sure, after you go back to /v/ or one of those boards that care more about who made a post rather than the content of the post.
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>>115350930
The story takes place in like 16 days.
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>>115351010

And Shinji has been doing her for about four years.
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>>115351006
Fucking kill yourself you idiot.
Oh sorry lol XD i forgot my fucking trip you stupid cunt
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>>115351023
Sorry, I misread Shinji as Shirou somehow. (I've done that before actually.)

Maybe there's a magic version of the morning-after pill.
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>>115350906,1
Loads for me except 4cdn.org doesn't respond.
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>>115350955
>>115350984
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>>115351024
you can't even tell who made that post even with trips on, look at how dumb you are
calm your autism and start thinking rationally
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>>115350971
Soul rot doesn't affect his memory. He became a dumb asshole over time because that's how people work, he lost track of what originally mattered to him to keep himself from dying.

Soul rot just means you are dying despite being immortal. Unlike legit immortal beings who keep their soul in the same body, when Zouken transfers it, it starts fading little by little into the root like a soul normally does after the body dies.
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>>115351024
>>115350931
Stop shitting up the thread by derailing it, you fucking retard.
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>>115351080

You're right there.

Even if Sakura is still physically capable of bearing children, I doubt she would be mentally. She wouldn't want any kid of hers to go through anything like her life.
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She looks like a retarded chipmunk.
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>>115346088
I want to suck her mana, if you catch my drift.
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>>115351160

She looks better then Rin, which is sad as this is Rin's route, her story, her chance to shine, and she is upstaged by her sister, who is only in a handful of episodes.
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>>115351196
You are mistaken, this is Archer's route.
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After that episode I went and re-read HF to remind myself why I hate Sakura,
Shinji did nothing wrong, best bro in F/SN.
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>>115351196
Rin looks fine.
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>>115351240

Does that make Fate Gil's route, and HF Kotomine's Route?
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>>115351311
HF is a mash up route that merged ideas from a Sakura, Ilya, and Rider route.
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>>115351250
what? fuck shinji, he's a failure on top of being an asshole.
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>>115351367
>streaming
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Rhinfags mad Sakura's styling on their show.
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>>115351052
>What's more alien to an anime fan than a vagina?
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Cutest thing to come from the anime so far
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>>115350906
Rider can't protect anything if Sakura's dead.
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>>115351418
Sakura has like, three scenes left in the entire route. Nothing to be mad about, she's gone.
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>>115351510
Nasu-original content.
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>>115351510

Yeah, but then we're stuck with rhino Rin for the rest of the anime.
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>>115351461

Shota Shirou is a qt.
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>>115351529
What do you think he'll do? He'd have to rewrite the whole route to make her relevant.
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>>115351367
>hating Shinji
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>>115351544
He is too fucking cute that it should be illegal
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>>115351531
Stuck with best girl? Sounds good.
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>>115351554
Proper sequel to Fate/Zero for secondaries. That means Sakura will stick around.
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>>115351554
Sakura will get kicked out by Rin. And then constantly come back for their cooking-fests anyways.

Watch her replace Taiga as the person Caster takes hostage too.
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>>115345687
Wow Sakura, it must be something really important if you move forward like that.
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>>115351639

How does he get laid so often with a mind so dense? How does he get so many attractive women after him when he's this mind-numbingly stupid at timers?
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>>115351626
They're not going to shove Sakura's story into UBW when they're doing a HF movie already.
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>>115351626
You can't write a sequel to Sakura's story in UBW. Not without Zouken. And if you solve Zouken in UBW, HF's story becomes completely broken.
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>>115351697

Because density and too much of a beta.
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>>115351626
>Proper sequel to Fate/Zero for secondaries
Didn't they specifically say that's what they're not doing?
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>>115351697
>Shirou
>Dense

He does idiotic shit at times but he knows his feelings well. He is always trying to find a way to suppress them.
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>>115351697
His denseness projects a gravity field that draws women in. This is the true form of the so-called Tohno Gland, and it is seen in its most pure form in one Natsuru.
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>>115351626
If they put in Heaven's Feel content into UBW, I hope you enjoy your 90 minute DEEN tier movie.
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>>115351751
>Shirou
>Beta
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>>115351803
No, that's what they said they were doing specifically.
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>>115351912
See I remember it being the opposite of that
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>>115351912
I remember them saying they weren't.
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>>115351920
You remembered wrong.
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>>115351941
Did I, anon?
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>>115351941
You got a source?
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>>115351697
High-jump bar
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>>115351979

Is that bar magic? Anyone who tries to jump over it gets every woman who saw him trying to do so after his dick.
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>>115351697
He is the only male magus around the area. The girls have no choice.
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>>115351751
>Calling Shirou a beta
Have you READ the VN?
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>>115348057
>and never would fall in love with Shirou in any circumstances even with the high jump IMO.
Given that Rin did I don't see why Sakura wouldn't.
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>>115352096

How fucked would Shirou be then if another male Magus moved into the area?
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>>115351697
You know, Shirou DOES understand that Sakura is a woman who wants him as a man, but he makes excuses even to himself to avoid it.
Because he doesn't believe he deserves happiness. Shirou isn't really that hard to get, if people would try just a little. Or, you know, actually read the VN.
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>>115351461
Normally, I'd disagree with anything but Taiga being the cutest, but shota Shirou was really cute.
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>>115352179

But I did read the VN. After I read HA and before I read Zero.

I did Fate in reverse. Does make me a Secondary?
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>>115352159
Shirou is a top-tier male though.

>A+ rank at house work
>has a fucking Reality Marble
>insane work ethic
>will protect you with his life
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>>115352159
Not much the girls already imprinted on him, except caster.
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>>115352236
>After I read HA

Wait, you read HA first?
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>>115352236
No, but it makes you a moron.
Who reads the sequel first?
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>>115352236
>reading HA before F/SN
What the fuck?
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>>115352242
Don't forget he owns a sweet Mansion that can house all the girls.
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>>115352236
Did you read Kagetsu Tohya before Tsukihime? The cycle must be completed.
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>>115352242
And moe with his stuttering.
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>>115352236
How was the experience?
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>>115352159
I'm sure a reality marble user would be a better catch than some run of the mill magi.
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>>115352274
>>115352276
>>115352283
>>115352339
>>115352356

Yes, I read HA first. I wanted to know why the Rin/Shirou Eclipse scene in there was so heartwarming.

It took a while to make sense of it all, but it was fine in the end. I'd even say seeing the Caster stuff in UBW was better because I saw her scenes in HA first.

It was still the 76% Translation though, so I missed most of it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qAE_Th1b_4
I love this song so fucking much
I know they can't/won't keep it in for the OVA, but god fucking damn if they did I would cream my fucking pants
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>>115352403
Wow that's interesting.
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>>115352290
>>115352349
Shirou really is the best girl.
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>>115352403
Jesus christ I don't even know where to start with you.
I mean, I always skip to like the last chapter of a book that I'm reading, but the whole fucking route?
Nigga, you're insane
I'd suggest going through it the way god intended but you might be too far gone
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>>115352417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBnwXKd2lzI

Sakura gets the best songs.
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>>115352417
>for the OVA
Movie yo.
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>>115351697
Nigga knows how to jump
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>>115352478
>I always skip to like the last chapter of a book that I'm reading
You're retarded too.
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>>115352443

There's nothing more weird then having Archer as Shirou spoiled by Shirou off hand when you reach the Bridge scene at night.

"Oh, that's future Heroic Spirit me, and I hate him."

That was a What The Fuck Moment.
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>>115352159
>>115352096
>>115351697
>forgetting Kotomine
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>>115352524
Well yeah I never denied that
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>>115352554
>implying a faithful man of god can be a magus
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>>115352554

He got laid. It didn't end up well for both, and for the third party that sex created.
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>>115349880
But she still have both attributes.
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>>115352554
Kotomine sucks at magic too and his shit isn't as cool as SWORDS.
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>>115352554
>Kotomine
>a magus in the 5th war
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>>115352554
But Kotomine's a priest, so that means he's celibate, right?
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The wormest feeling reaches me.
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>>115352657
What denomination is the Church in the Nasuverse anyway?
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>>115352613
Wasn't it really watered down though?
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>>115352754
Was that pun intentional? Because I actually laughed.
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>>115352737
Protestant.
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>>115352737
Scientology
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>>115352754
But the imaginary number was supposed to be very effective against spiritual beings.
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>>115352737
Waifu worship
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>>115352754
>watered down
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>>115352737

Westboro Baptist
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>>115352657
That's only for catholic priests.

I'm Orthodox, and here priests are usually required to marry since their role in the village is also to be some sort of counsel/life guide, and who would want to listen to live advice from someone who isn't married and hasn't gone through the shit himself?
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>>115352789
Nah, accidental, I'm not clever enough.
But yeah I assumed it weakened her imaginary numbers powers and gave her a mediocre water affinity. Otherwise I can imagine getting wormed would be a common practice among mages to increase your magic penis and get better affinities or something like that.
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>>115353003
Worms kill almost everyone. Sakura was particularly resistant.

Even if they upgraded your shit (which they could possibly do), they'd still be a terrible idea.

Also the water affinity was Zouken's idea because of the Matou family, not something due to the worms themselves.

And, beyond all that, Sakura never had proper training for imaginary numbers magic.
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>>115353003
>Otherwise I can imagine getting wormed would be a common practice among mages to increase your magic penis and get better affinities or something like that.

You know, just because Kiritsugu could crush his liver and make bullets that kill magic circuits out of it, doesn't mean that everyone else can do the same thing.

Not everyone can use rape worm magic.
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I prefer F/ha's Sakura.
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>>115352554

Can he even breed (we know his physiology is somewhat not human)? With that mud heart and what not. The fuck did the asshole do for 10 fucking years anyway, surely he must have been prancing around the world trying to manipulate others into suffering whilst he waited for a new war.
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>>115353065
>King Arthur
>Muslim
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>>115353119
What ever happened to the rest of those bullets
Those would be pretty useful/terrible depending on who found those
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>>115353219

When you start from HA and then arrive at HF, it becomes a shock to see bitch Sakura, after seeing the nice side of her for ages.
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>>115352737
Kotomine used to be an Executor and they can get away with all sorts of shit.
-----
Tsukihime Dokuhon PlusPeriod- talk. Glossary: Burial Agency [Organisation name], p.196

Burial Agency [Organisation name]
The Inquisitors of the Church who were given special privileges. However, since they were not actually responsible for stamping out heresy, they were also called Executors or killers.
Their policies had always been "shoot first and report later".
Faith was secondary, the only necessity for the job was the power to obliterate the heretical.
From the outside, it seemed like the ranks of the Burial Agency was filled with magi who loved to explore the taboo, people who enjoyed enslaving the captured heretics, gun nuts, and maniacs with insatiable bloodlust.
It consisted of seven members, with one on reserve.
The reserved member was always an exceptional candidate from the Church, but it kept changing because the person kept dying during missions.
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>>115353258
Nah, it's more like

I like how she's more assertive now. She's gotten a lot stronger, in more way than one. You'd need to be about that strong to keep up with Tohsaka.
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>>115353244
Sounds about right.
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>>115353244
>britain
>not a caliphate
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Dammit I really want to ask her what she's wearing.
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>>115353433
I think that actually gives you Saber points.
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>>115353272
---
Fate/side material- Encyclopedia, p.063

The Holy Church [Others]
The other side of an ubiquitous major religion.
They preached the Lord's teachings, and did not tolerate anything that violated their dogma.
On the surface, they assumed "heresies" did not exist, but there were zealots amongst them who wished to ostracize the heretics.
Thus the "Heretic Hunters" were born and specialized, becoming an enormous department within the Holy Church.
They were the Executors. Their missions included Demon-slaying, elimination of heretics, and proper regulation of Mysteries that fell into the hands of the populace.
Of course, the Holy Church's relationship with the Mages' Association, whose mission was to conceal magecraft, was very poor. The two groups had crossed blades numerous times to date. (Currently there is a truce, providing a temporary respite.)
Against their greatest foe, the monsters known as vampires (READ: Blood Suckers), the Mages' Association occasionally provided assistance.
Kotomine was responsible for the control and collection of relics. He had the role of an Executor of the Assembly of the Eighth Sacrament.
The arms forces of the Holy Church consisted of the excellent fighters known as Executors, the Knights that each church held reserve, and the monsters known as the Burial Agency hidden within the headquarter of the Holy Church.
The Holy Church was the largest organization in the world of Fate. For those who fell outside of humanity, the Holy Church was the greatest enemy.
---
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>>115353433
Your font looks weird.
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>>115353310
>>115353430
That isn't the Britain Saber fought and died for. What would she thing if she saw it today?
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>>115353272

There are really only 8 active at one time? Rather small task force.
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>>115353501
She'd become the new face of UKIP.
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>>115346831

Improved version
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>>115353501

The Britain of today has gone through the Saxons (who she fought), the Vikings, the Normans, the French, the Dutch, the Germans and fuck knows how many others. There's virtually no connections save geography, and even that has changed.

She wouldn't recognize anything except for the ruins of Hadrian's Wall.
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>>115353492
It's an XP VM, like hell am I going to install windblows on my main machine.
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>>115353501
At least she still has Wales.
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>>115353592
Huh, F/SN just werks in wine for me.
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>>115353501
Excalibu on the middle east
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>>115353616

Even Wales is no longer the same after the English under Edward I subjugated it.
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>>115353244
Saber is King Arthur? Wouldn't it have made more sense to call her Joan of Arc? Damn nips and their use of western folklore with the least bit of understanding.
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>>115353466
Which burial agents do we know about besides Ciel?
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>>115353688

But they already have Joan.
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>>115353706
Mr. Dawn.
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>>115353688
>wanting a french witch whore
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>>115353635
That XP startup sound tho.
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>>115353791

Who is better, the British Arturia or the French Jeanne?
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>>115353706
Merem Solomon, Narbareck and Mr. Dawn
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>>115353233
He was raising a tsundere little girl and driving her estate into ruin to fuck with her.
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>>115353816
Arthur
Jeanne was a slut
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Oh Sakura, you're so cute. However I'd be too terrified of sleeping with her and a worm crawling out her ear or her ass in middle of the night and crawling into my urethra.
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>>115353873

Jeanne was pure Virgin. Arturia knew how to please men.
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>>115353688
Nasu started writing Fate/stay night back when he was in high school. Back then, the protagonist was a girl and King Arthur was male. He stopped writing around the Assassin fight.

Years later, after the success of Tsukihime, Nasu and Takeuchi turned their doujin circle TYPE-MOON into a proper company, and Fate was gonna be their first official product. It was Takeuchi's idea to turn Saber into a girl, since an 18+ game with a female protagonist probably wouldn't sell as well. Nasu was initially against the idea, but ended up getting more into the idea. Since Saber being King Arthur was something that was tied to the very foundations of Fate, I imagine it wasn't something he was willing to change. Saber would have had very different issues if she was Jeanne d'Arc.
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>>115353878
Just have her suck the worm out then.
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>>115353910
>Jeanne was pure Virgin
>implying she was not the fucktoy of her army
Whore of Orleans
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>>115353706
Members of the Burial Agency:

1.Narbareck, 1st member and leader of the agency.
2.???, 2nd member.
3.???, 3rd member.
4.???, 4th member.
5.Merem Solomon,
6.Mr. Dawn,
7.Ciel,
8.???, 8th spare member.

Do note that Merem Solomon is one of the 27 DAA.
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>>115353878
>have sex with her
>worm crawls through her cervix into your dick mid-fuck
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>>115353975
Remember, there's actually no guarantee that those positions will say that way forever. According to Nasu, the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors are going through restructuring, so even the Burial Agency may not be safe.
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>>115353975
>>Do note that Merem Solomon is the best of the 27 DAA.
FTFY
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>>115345687
>gif
>1mb
As expected of Wormfags.
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>>115354025
left arm pls go
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>>115354037
Well it's true only tumblrfags could like Sakura.
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>>115353975
>>115353834
>>115353744
How do you learn about this shit
There's way too much shit about the world/universe that isn't in F/sn, Kagetsu, Tsukihime, HA, it's insane
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>>115354025
>Better than Old Man Zelretch

anon plz
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>>115354025
>Better than Zelretch
>ORT chan
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>>115354085
Old faggot a shit, Merem a pure
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>>115353920

Well her issues would have to be different, but they could still have done the whole betrayal/redo life angle.

But they might have just hand waved Authurian popularity vs Joan popularity aspects and left their stats the same, Jaon could of been Saber or Rider so I don't think there needs to be a change there.

Excaliblast doesn't seem that important to the plot, but Avalon does.

It would have needed some major rewriting for Joan's powers but the personality/issues of them could be what ever the fuck Nasu wanted to write about, it's not like any of their characters stay perfectly true to characterization found in any of their legends.
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>>115354025
>better than Altrouge, Tatari or Sumire
Merem please stop posting
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Daily reminder that gamecreator16 is the hero we deserve.
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>>115354203
_____No_____
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>>115353065

>Sakura rules the world
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>>115354187
i think arthurs weapon also comes into play since its one of the most recognizable weapon in the world and jeannes sword is not that known
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>>115354187
Well one of the issues is that Saber is supposed to be very strong. She's one of the few Servants who could conceivably take down Gilgamesh.

I can't see Jeanne pulling that off. She's not quite as famous as King Arthur, and I doubt she'd be anywhere near as decent a swordsman.
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>>115353065
whos the catholic girl?
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>>115354330
An irrelevant character.
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>>115354330
Finnslut
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>>115354330
Girl that only shows up in side projects but has a autistic fanbase that shits on all the other girls for no reason besides her not being popular.
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>>115354330
nobody important
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>>115354369

>but has a autistic fanbase that shits on all the other girls

You'd have to be autistic to get into girl wars in fate threads, so that's a given
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>>115354330
Santa Claus
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>>115352737
I always assumed they were Catholic because I don't think Protestantism ever had an Inquisition/Inquisitors
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>Sakura image making it into the top 10 daily pixiv

Tis a great day
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Speaking of waifus, I don't think there's any girl of Nasu's that I dislike.
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>>115354414
I agree, it's obvious that Saber = Rin > Shit > Luvia > worm shit > Sakura is the objective ranking.
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Okay, so I just finished the VN. (Man that was long.)

Can I watch Prisma Ilya now or do I have to read Hollow Ataraxia too?
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>>115354510
Cute.
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>>115354510
>middle schooler drawing
>tis
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>>115354591
Taiga > Saber = Rin > Shit > Luvia > worm shit > Sakura

Correction!
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>>115354527
I don't know, I'm >>115353433 that guy, but I didn't really care for Berserker's handler.

Speaking of which, I gave Shirou the golden opportunity to have some Seibah pie and he fucked up the you look nice line. No wonder the nip population is suffering.
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>>115354646
Issei > Taiga > Saber = Rin > Shit > Luvia > worm shit > Sakura

ftfy
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>>115354646
TAIGA PLEASES HER STUDENTS FOR FOOD AND LODGING
AND HAS NO ROUTE
AND HUSBAND FOR HER AGE
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>>115354632
THAT was done by a middle schooler? Dayum.
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>>115354679

Shinji > Issei > Taiga > Saber = Rin > Shit > Luvia > worm shit > Sakura
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>>115354679
Why do you have Sakura on there twice?
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>>115354691
To be fair, middle school in Japan is like what? 15? It's good for the age though.
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>>115354691
>caps for emphasis
>dayum
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>>115354646
Mah boy
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http://strawpoll.me/2791379
http://strawpoll.me/2791376
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>>115354707
Kotomine > Issei > Taiga > Saber = Rin > Shit > Luvia > worms > Shinji > worm shit > Sakura
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>>115354646
>>115354745
taiga pls stop posting and go find a husband already or stop leeching of shirou
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>>115354755
where my hisui bros at?
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>>115354822
Best meido.
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>>115354822
>>115354850
Maids are shit
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>>115354622
You can, you're going to see a couple of characters you don't know, but there's really no spoiler from HA.
Although you should just read the manga, it's a lot better.
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>>115354812
You're not boss of me!
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>>115354755
Arcueid + Saber master race.
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Why wasn't Mahoyo drawn by Takeuchi?
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>>115354869
You're a shit
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>>115354755
Who /Rin/ here?
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>>115354878
>a not-loli protagonist
>in my Ilya?

I don't even want to live anymore.
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Prismafags are the cancer killing the fate fanbase on /a/.
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http://strawpoll.me/2791405
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>>115355043
I want to marry a tiger.
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>>115354822
Right here, brother.
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>>115355043
Taiga! Taiga! burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare sieze the fire?

And what shoulder, & what art.
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand? & what dread feet?

What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

When the stars threw down their spears,
And watered heaven with their tears,
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee?

Taiga! Taiga! burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?
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>>115355034
People that just read the VN in the last couple of years and pretend to be part of some secret club are the cancer killing the fate fanbase on /a/.
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>>115355152
Your deflection will not work, prismashit.
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>>115354878
How long is HA in comparison to FSN?
Where should I get the complete translation patch?
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>>115355184
Dude, F/SN is one of the most popular shit on /a/, there's been multiple Fate threads every day for years, you're not a special snowflake for reading it, at least not here.
>>
http://strawpoll.me/2791425
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>>115355323
I never said I was.

Why are you getting so defensive? Can't handle somebody not liking your fan fiction tier prismashit?
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>>115350427
None of them had the special affinities that both of Tokiomi's daughters did, though. And even then the child who doesn't inherit the crest will be the Association's bitch. It's like being the only nigga in a room full of rich white people.
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>>115355360
>Ilya
>side character
His post is made of baits
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>>115355360
>no Kotomine

It's shit.
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>>115355459
>having Kotomine
For what purpose?
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>>115355360
Sacchin!
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>>115354755
See now this is a poll I can get behind
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>>115354755
Never knew /a/ had such great taste.
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>>115355492
Yeah, I guess you're right. Everyone already knows he's the best, so there's not really any point in including him. It's more interesting to see who ends up in second place.
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>>115351196
>thinking UBW is Rin's route
>top kek x10

Rin is barely even relevant in her own route. The greatest importance she ever had was in true end where she arranges Saber to be Shirou's mistress.
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>>115355607
>Anti-Rinfags are so dumb they don't even know which endings are which
>>
Daily reminder that SakuRin is perfect.
>>
Daily reminder that Shirou is a better man than you will ever be.
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>>115355360
rip poll
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>>115354293
>Well one of the issues is that Saber is supposed to be very strong. She's one of the few Servants who could conceivably take down Gilgamesh.
>I can't see Jeanne pulling that off. She's not quite as famous as King Arthur, and I doubt she'd be anywhere near as decent a swordsman.

Spirit: Joan of Arc
Master: Greater Grail
Alignment: Lawful Good[1]
Strength: B[1] Mana: A[1]
Endurance: B[1] Luck: C[1]
Agility: A[1] N. Phantasm: A++[1]
Class skills:
Magic Resistance EX[1]
Personal skills:
Charisma
Revelation
Saint
Noble Phantasms:
La Pucelle
Luminosite Eternelle‎

She's pretty fucking strong in Apocrypha even though her NP sucks dogshit. I mean for fuck's sake it must suck getting your literal burning at cross turned into your NP.
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>>115355667
Remove the Saku and you got that right.
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>>115355705
It's an issue of offensive strength and skill. Saber is one of the most skilled combatants in both the fourth and fifth wars. Jeanne probably can't hold a candle to that.

Also, she doesn't have a cheat like Avalon. I can't see her ever beating Gilgamesh.
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http://strawpoll.me/2791445
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>>115355637
I call them what they should have been called.

>oops
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>>115355938
Good end is shit though.
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>>115355813
Gilgamesh is a completely broken servant and is stated as such due to his ability to whip out any noble phantasm that wasn't a divine or fairy construct and then have it be one rank higher than the "later" version, heck he has skills we've never seen him actually use since he likes to arrogantly stand back and just fling phantasms at his enemies.
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>>115355813
>Saber is one of the most skilled combatants in both the fourth and fifth wars
>jobs to everybody
Yeah okay.
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>>115355852
>Arondight not on the list
Holy fucking shit, you are a fucking worthless pile of trash
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>>115356037
>Yupoo
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>>115355813
>Also, she doesn't have a cheat like Avalon. I can't see her ever beating Gilgamesh
I'm reasonably sure La Pucelle is powerful enough to wipe out Gilgamesh at the cost of Jeanne going up in flames. In fact if Jeanne was inserted into Stay Night Nasu would probably have her go out in a melodramatic fashion this way with her miraculously surviving in the good end because fuck you.
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>>115345453
Sakura was always cute, it just took you this long to notice it.
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>>115356037
How can I like something that's riddled with moon runes like that?

Absolutely disgusting.

Especially since it's a British fucking sword. Shit should be all beowulf-style at the least.
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>>115356069
She's cute in the first three days. Then you play Heaven's Feel and realize she's a shit.
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>>115356066
The King of Heroes is not that pathetic. In terms of offensive power, Ea should be leagues above La Pucelle.
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>>115355852
Ugh, what's the point of a poll if a faggot's gonna use 30 proxies.
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http://strawpoll.me/2791468
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>>115356118
>Ugh
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>>115356072
They're fairy runes. Excalibur has them too.

>>115356013
It's true, though.

The only Servants that explictly surpass her in combat technique are Lancelot and Sasaki Kojiro. In a straight fight, she wouldn't lose to most opponents. Even Gil's no match for her in pure swordsmanship.
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>TN:Arigatou means "Any time".
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>>115356132
You heard me.
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>>115356189
That was you? I thought it was the sound of a homo being strangled next door.
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>>115356157
>In a straight fight, she wouldn't lose to most opponents
Because she totally could've trashed Diarmuid after he gimped her right hand. She couldn't even Excaliblast after that, let alone have any chance of matching him in a straight melee fight.
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>>115351603
I think he's cute at all ages.
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>>115356112
Once she's done, he'd be a smoldering pile of melted golden armor.
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>>115352179
>Shirou isn't really that hard to get,
He is if their first experience with him was the DEEN anime and a poorly translated, out-of-context screenshot that everyone quickly used to summarize his entire character.
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>>115356230
She managed to push back Lancer in Fate, and I doubt Diarmuid can beat him.

Noble Phantasms are a separate issue.
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>>115356213
The only homo that'll get strangled will be you if you don't learn your place.
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>>115356230
Saber was fighting him to a standstill when she was effectively one-handed. Kayneth was right to be pissed. Diarmuid a shit.
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>>115354496
Well the inquisition infact kind of hunted down protestants too so...
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No, she isn't.
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>>115356339
He's clearly making a joke.
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>>115354755
>That poll.
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>>115356339
I can't wait for the scene where Shirou tells Sakura to get the fuck out of his house.
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>>115356357
He's just trying to be polite.
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>>115356239
Unlikely. Ea could probably overwhelm the attack. There's no way weapon by any other Servant has power that can overwhelm the Sword of Ruin.

It's simply a matter of logic, anon. Gilgamesh is the strongest Servant, the King of Heroes who stands at the top of all Heroic Spirits. What on Earth makes you think a saint from the 14th Century A.D. could possibly hope to stand a chance against a monster like that?
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>>115356339
Hints that Shirou was the Red man:
-The jewel
-Their greetings (you're up early/late)
-Eyebrows
-Shirou being able to see Rin clearly at the top of that building right after Archer explaining his sight.
Any I missed?
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>>115356360
What's wrong? They're both correct opinions.
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>>115354510
>top 10 daily pixiv
Sakura's time is nigh.
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>>115356407
Shirou is the blue man from the past that is Berserker from Fate/zeroes descendent, you fool.
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>>115356423
Correct opinions is a juxtaposition.
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>>115356407
The fact that he was in archery club.
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>>115356407

But Archer is the White Man anon.
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>>115356407
You missed "Trace on"
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>>115356407
Archer winces when he sees Saber for the first time and when he mouths "Trace On."
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>>115356452
That too.
>>115356240
And this, however it was made less obvious when Shinji did the exact same wink.
>>115356475
Damn, there's a shitload of hints. They're not even trying to hide it.
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>>115356360
Man, how did Shirou's eyes shrink that much?
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>>115356486
I'm a little worried that it's too obvious.
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>>115356240
Stuff like this is really great.
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>>115356489
Not much
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>>115354755
>Rin + Hisui fan spam posting his heroine into victory

It's like you have no confidence she might actually win on her own, and everyone has to know it.
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>>115356534
Shirou's eyebrows are fucking weird.
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>>115356534
That shot was Takeuchi cheating and drawing Archer's face completely differently to emphasize that he was Shirou.
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>>115356562
Both were winning before, I believe. Spammer could have just picked the most popular ones.
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>>115356534
Man, I wanna give Archer a hug. Poor guy.
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>>115356574
Main diffrence between them is archer has a bit angrier eyebrows and the hair. Well that and he's taller.
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Reminder that full power Excalibur is fucking inane.
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>>115356562
I don't think that's really what it is. Every strawpoll that gets posted on /a/ has been getting proxied into oblivion not long after appearing recently. Seems like it's some guy with a script who's tired of people posting polls all the time and wants to make them all worthless.
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Taiga is the best girl, but it's alright if you don't like her.
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>>115356639
Would Kerry be proud of Emiya?
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>>115356626
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>>115356639
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>>115356626
Saber kills an entire town
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>>115356623
A lot taller.
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>>115356686
>19kb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8eosqa96rc
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>>115356701
Well, Shirou, when a father and his son love eachother very much...
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>>115356671
He never messes up more than one result though, so it's pretty weak.
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>>115356736
What happens? You didn't finish your sentence.
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>>115356513
>>115356240
wait, did they got that from kerry?
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>>115356736
The father dies and the son becomes a superhero?
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>>115351697
nigga can cook, he's ripped, and he's got an unsurpassable determination.

the kid is so perfect giving him minor lack of intelligence is the only way to balance him out.
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>>115356772
they...
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>>115356772
I'm pretty sure you're supposed to infer what he means from
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>>115356799
>delicious cp
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>>115356683
Yeah.

I mean he never wanted him to become a superhero but seeing all that your son accomplished in your footsteps is rad.

Archer though... meh...
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>>115356824
I'm really not following you guys.
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>>115356857
...
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>>115356799
Say what you will about DEEN, but their Shirou is manly as fuck.
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>>115356850
Which of the three main Shirous would Kerry appreciate most?
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>>115356878
DEEN is incredibly inconsistent. Shirou looked good in some scenes of UBW but then looks like shit in others.
And don't get me started on their awful 'camera' and perspectives.
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>>115356887
Fate Shirou because that is the canon one.
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>>115356683
As long as he doesn't go full on Seigi no Mikata like in MoS

That's literally the last thing he feared and worried about before dying ironically.
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>>115356799
top middle
what the fuck were they thinking he looks like a fat elementary student
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>>115356908
>canon
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>>115356887
I think he'd be proud of each for their own merits.

Fate Shirou for accomplishing everything he wasn't able to.
UBW Shirou for facing the issues of his ideal head on without faltering.
HF Shirou for throwing aside his ideal in order to protect the one important to him.
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>>115356924
At that moment, Kiritsugu drew his last breath.

Yeah. That was the moment I decided to find out what he meant, what true man-boy love was all about.

I didn't cry. Perhaps all of my tears dried up in the fire, and I have no regrets.
My whole life has been
Unlimited Gay Incest Works.
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>>115356936
>/v/ermin
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What if this happened?
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>>115356887

HF, because he chose his own happiness.

Every father wants their son to be happy. Especially one that knows how perilous and painful following in his own footsteps is.
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>>115356968
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I dont care if you have like saber or sakura more

but Rin is the best heroine in the Fate vn:
she's witty, brave, sexy, and has enough human vulnerability and flaw that makes her a strong female character that stands above the rest.
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>>115356977
Pepe transcends any board.
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Why doesn't Archer just project Gae Bolg and use it against Lancer?
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>>115356887
Guy just wants his son to be happy, and not go full on hero of justice like he did. He can maybe try to be a hero, but don't go full on "Kill one to save ten" or something, or else he's rolling in his grave calling himself a failure as a parent.

He knows how that ends up, which is why he dreaded his son becoming that much. The final conversation they had from Kerry's point of view had a lot of irony when you know how it turned out.

The only consolidation he had was "Maybe he'll figure it out, unlike I did. He won't go full retard like me, he won't be as bad as me, he'll maybe even be fine in the end".

Only known answers so far that might stop such a thing are "Change your dream" or "Have someone there who can steer you away before you've reached a bitter end". Kerry would be happy with either perhaps, honestly he'd rather have Shirou alive and happy rather than dead chasing his dream, in the first place, but that's where the irony comes in.
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>>115356986
the question is would Kerry be able to resist killing Sakura?
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>>115356991
You're goddamn right!
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>>115357009
Why doesn't Archer just project a hail of rule breakers?
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>>115356986
Yo half of the town is wiped by then and Kerry is a utilitarian.

I'm not saying he'd go out of his way to kill shirou to save all those lives, but I wouldnt say he'd be the happiest.
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>>115356887

How would he feel about HF Good, where his Daughter sacrifices herself for his son?
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>>115357020
Not a chance. Kerry would probably have very mixed feelings about Shirou finding out about the Shadow but not killing Sakura.
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>>115357009
Isn't it sad that Gae Bolg would be more effective against Lancer, the user of it, more so than Servants like Saber? Poor fuck.
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>>115356887
Kerry didn't think there would be another Grail War, he didn't want Shirou to be a magus but only taught him rudimentary magic because Shirou insisted
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>>115357016
None of the Shirous in any of the routes end up in despair.

Fate Shirou reaches Avalon, UBW Shirou has Rin by his side, HF Shirou abandons his ideal for Sakura. They all turn out fine.

You're an idiot if you think Heaven's Feel is the only chance he has for happiness.
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>>115357064
I think you mean true.

He dies in Good.
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>>115356991
She's alright, but at the end of the day pretty much everyone else that the story focuses on is has a more moving story than her.
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>>115356954
HF was the path Kerry wished to take more than a few times, but never could because he was always so rational.

Like with his mother, or wife, or child. Guy wanted to take a chance and save them even if it meant fighting the world, as shown when he once almost gave up everything to get Ilya back during the GW. When push comes to shove though, his finger is always already on the trigger pressing down.

Seems that Prism Ilya is the result of him picking his own Heaven's Feel though, which is interesting. He turned against the Einzebern's and everyone, to save his daughter, even if it meant not saving the world in this case.
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>>115357091
He taught him how to do magic in the most suicidally stupid way possible.

And I don't think we've ever been told why he did that.
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>>115357118
He thought it'd be funny.
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>>115357101
Neutral, not Good.
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>>115357064
>>115357101
There is no HF Good.
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>>115357093
>>You're an idiot if you think Heaven's Feel is the only chance he has for happiness.

Read what was said again, because that wasn't it. Don't project so much, it's bad for your skin.
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>>115357133
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>>115357101
>>115357148

Whatever fucking name it has, it's a minor quibble.

How would Kerry feel about his daughter giving up her life for his son?
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>>115357118
maybe he didnt learn proper magic as a rogue himself.

I mean the extent of his powdering some of his ribs into bullets to shoot out of a gun.

and i guess time manipulation....
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>>115357115
Doesn't matter.

If you asked Shirou if he regrets anything in Fate or UBW, he'd answer that he doesn't. Why does everyone act as if he's destined to be miserably in every route but Heaven's Feel? If Kerry looked down on Shirou for choosing the roads he chose in Fate and UBW, I'm sure he'd be angry. He managed to save Saber in Fate. He saw the future and he chose to embrace it without losing his way in UBW.

What's wrong with that? Why is that so unacceptable? Why should Kiritsugu be disappointed for that?
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>>115357115
>>

Seems that Prism Ilya is the result of him picking his own Heaven's Feel though, which is interesting. He turned against the Einzebern's and everyone, to save his daughter, even if it meant not saving the world in this case.

ironically stopping the grail war seems to be most heroic thing Kerry ever done, considering how happy everyone is in Prism
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>>115357221
I BLAME THE HFAGS!
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>>115357275
It is ironic

Trying to save the world and being "unselfish" caused thousands or millions to die

Trying to save one person and being "selfish" saved millions in contrast.
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>>115357221
Because Sakurafags want to insist that HF is the best end for Shirou, and the most "true" route, and that requires them to reject the validity of how the other two ended.
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>>115357115
>>115357275
Mind you, there was no hope for him to begin with.

They messed with Ilya while she was in the womb. Thanks to that, she doesn't even have a year left after the Fifth Heaven's Feel.

So either Ilya only has a year left to live in Prisma Ilya, or comparing its circumstances to Fate/Zero is complete nonsense.
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>>115357187
Kerri was taught orthodox magecraft, both by his father and by Natalia.

for one thing the Emyia family specialized in time manipulation, by exhilarating time within a bounded feild it was though one can see the root just before the end of the world

but because he only has part of the crest due to his father's sealing designation, he can only do limited aspects of this.

use of ones origin is also not too uncommon, and mystic codes are standard magecraft
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>>115357328
Isn't Prisma Ilya only just 10 years old, unlike FSN ilya? She's already way off from the canon version. She was born after Shirou.
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>>115357328
>or comparing its circumstances to Fate/Zero is complete nonsense.

They might have held Einzebern up at gunpoint until he fixed her insides, and then erased several years of her life so she wouldn't be too confused and could start over.
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So what killed Shirou's parents in Prismaverse, anyway? And what do you think the circumstances are behind his backstory in Miyuverse? Since he's able to use Unlimited Blade Works, does that mean he had Avalon shoved inside him there too? Or perhaps he ate the Archer Class Card or something?
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>>115357366
And yeah, I know I just said "canon version". You know what I mean.
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>>115357107
she really shines in HF with her sister.

then again EVERYONE who isn't dead by now really comes off ass amazing.
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>>115357391
Come to think of it, what do you suppose would happen if Shirou touched the Archer Class Card? Would it cause a paradox or something?
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I wish Ilya kept her Fate personality in Prisma.

Or, at the very least, Disciple #1.
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>>115348430
I would waste a day fishing smoking and drinking with lancer any day.

My top tier fishing skills will cancel out his luck rank and we will have an okay catch and a great day
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>>115357552
>Wanting a girl who grew up normally this time around to be a sadistic hateful murder loli

It's like you don't want her to be happy

She still has the same potential, same slight sadist streak as we see at times, but she can be normal and happy in this world like Shirou rather than being that.
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>>115357605
Sure, until a certain Red Angler shows up and ruins your day.

To say nothing of a certain Goldie.
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>>115357632
She doesn't have to be hateful. But Disciple #1 is way more fun than she is.

She doesn't even speak random German.
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>>115357686
Her name is already random German, just like Bazett's name is random Irish sounding noises
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>>115357366
Prisma is just a doujin that got popular enough that even TM wanted to bandwagon on it. Not even remotely canon.
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>>115357721
It's canon. It doesn't take place anywhere close to one of the main universes, but I'm sure it's somewhere in the Fate multiverse.
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>>115353878
Better yet, Sakura starts getting haughty with her larger than Rin's bust size. Then in the middle of her boasting worms starts popping out of her nipples.
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Prisma made Bazett an unlikable bitch.
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>>115357718
Nothing in Bazette's name is Irish, funnily enough. More Scottish than anything.
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>>115357053

Doesn't Terry discard his utilitarianism at the end though?
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>>115348280
dirty red
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>>115357836
It's more like he burnt out and gave up on doing anything.
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Why isn't it Saturday?
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What would a Luvia route be like?
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>>115357957
Rin route with drills instead of jackhammers.
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>>115357957
Didn't Nasu once toy with the thought of having a route where Rin was in an antagonistic role?

I assume that would play in.
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>>115357979
>>115357957
>Shirou and Luvia fighting back to back
>Luvia smiles with utmost confidence
>Shirou's in a butler uniform, wielding Kanshou and Bakuya
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>>115357957
She'd die
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>>115358059
I think it would be kind of neat. She'd be one of the few Fate Magi able to keep up with Shirou. No matter how you slice it, a human Magus replicating Noble Phantasms is completely unfair.

There's also Bazett, but she's in a completely different league.
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>>115358109
Bazett is fuckin OP
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>>115358109
>I think it would be kind of neat. She'd be one of the few Fate Magi able to keep up with Shirou
So can Rin. Luvia is literally just Rin in Finnish flavor.
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>>115358129
On the other hand, I think Shirou would be able to match her extremely well. The only reason Bazett can fight Servants is because Avenger compliments her so perfectly. It would be hard for Bazett to corner a Servant far enough to get them to use their trump card, but it should be easier if she has Shirou by her side.

And he might even be able to trace Tawrich and Zarich. They might be recorded in his Reality Marble somewhere.
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Rider>=Caster>Mitsuzuri>Ilya>Bazett=Taiga>Saber>Caren>Sakura>Rin
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>>115358166
Luvia is Rin if you took away all the things that made her interesting and replaced them with OHOHOHO.
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>>115358166
>So can Rin
Since when? As far as combat goes, she's not match for Shirou.
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>>115358004
That sounds pretty great.
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>>115358232
Dude, Rin fucking Kung Fu's Caster half to death.
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>>115358277
your point being? Caster has zero training from a physical standpoint. she's a king's daughter that has relied on her magic her entire life
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>>115358217
and added like 20kgs and shitty hair
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>>115358277
And?

Shirou can recreate Noble Phantasms and trace their original wielders' techniques. There's no comparison. A dozen Noble Phantasms being shot like bullets is gonna outstrip a Gandr any day.
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>>115358328
But is also a Servant, and the shittiest servant is leagues better than a human at pretty much everything.
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>>115358277
The moment Shirou projects Kanshou and Bakuya, Rin stands no chance. Rin's the superior all-around Magus, but she won't be able to beat a combat specialist.
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>>115358350
Gandr was Rin going easy on Shirou. What sort of comparison is that?
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>>115358472
Not the point. Rin can't beat Shirou in a straight fight.

With Kanshou and Bakuya in his hands, he's the superior melee fighter.
With a bow and sword-arrow, he's the better long range fighter.
With Rho Aius, he has the better defense.

What on Earth could Rin possibly do to him?
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>>115358350
Shirou can't even manage to shoot dozens at once. He can project two things at a time and can't even fully realize his reality marble without the powers of dolphin sex.
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>>115358328
She has E-rank strength, that's 10 times stronger than a regular human though it's probably entirely due to magic buffs and given how Saber can hit B-rank strength using mana burst even though she's ordinarily weaker than Shirou and Rin Medea must be REALLY fucking fragile to only hit E-rank WITH magic buffs.
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>>115358511
Ask him to have sex.

Then she coup de grace him in his confusion.
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>>115357990
It was most likely the original Shinji route, and he finally implemented the idea in CCC.
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>>115358511
Show him her anus.
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Wasn't this argument originally about the power level difference between Rin and Luvia?

Which, frankly, I cannot see being significantly in Luvia's favour.
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>>115358511
>Shirou using a bow and sword-arrow ever
Might as well give Rin the jewel sword or talk about how Gil would win if he's ever serious.
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>>115358511
She could flash him and then stab him in the throat after he covers his eyes and stutters out "To-toosaka n-n-n-nanishiteru"
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>>115358567
Unless Luvia has a trump card up her sleeve that converts breast size to magical power, every fight she's had with Rin has pretty much ended in a draw.
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>>115358578
He has the option to. There's technically nothing stopping him.

I mean, does he even need a sword arrow? A normal arrow would suffice too. It was enough to pierce the head of the King of Heroes.
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>>115358544
>though it's probably entirely due to magic buffs and given how Saber can hit B-rank strength using mana burst even though she's ordinarily weaker than Shirou and Rin Medea must be REALLY fucking fragile to only hit E-rank WITH magic buffs.

She has E rank STR naturally, not with buffs.

That's the lowest value a servant can have for a stat. If she buffed herself she could maybe reach A rank as Kuzuki was pushing back Saber with his power when buffed, but couldn't do shit to Archer without it.

However it's not her style, she does not buff herself.
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>>115354755
Rin fags being shitters as usual
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>>115358623
Even if she did, it would be meaningless. All she'd have is brute strength. She'd have none of the technique or skill necessary to make use of it.
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>>115358623
Kuzuki's success was in large part due to his specific combat style. He wasn't just stat-buffed to relevance.
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>>115358472
Shirou was able to hold Kuzuki back.

Rin would get killed in an instant.

Doesn't that show that Shirou's the better fighter?
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>>115358603
Their power is equal in all ways, no "Rin reached the level of true magic so she can't be matched by a normal magus" is not how it works, for whatever feat or ability Rin has Luvia has something on the same level since she's literally Player 2 Rin.

Rin has Bajiquan, Luvia has wrestling. Rin has gems, Luvia has gems. Rin has Gandr, Luvia has Gandr.

Rin has ____, Luvia has ____, etc.

Aside from body assents, they're about equal, while Luvia is superior in that field.
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>>115358623
Saber's weak as shit without mana bursting. Her strength stat shows her maximum output, not her baseline.

I find it hard to believe baseline Medea would be stronger than her. The easier assumption to make is that Medea hits E rank with magic buffs (though they might just be passive buffs).
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>>115358736
Also money

In terms of prana output, money, connections, butlers, and physical assets Luvia is Superior.

Hard to say if Rin has the superior element in contrast, as Luvia's is unrevealed.
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>>115358736
Rin has Rank S ZR. What's Luvia's counter for that?
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>>115358511
Rin has magic that can go through walls, as well as jewel magic that can break through Berserker's defense. If he misses a block even once he's fucked.

Also, Rho Aius is directional defense. If any of her jewel magic is AoE, he is again fucked.
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>>115358736
>while Luvia is superior in that field.

Luvia is a fat cow.
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>>115358780
Rin is a flat cow

The worst kind of cow
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>>115358775
Rank SS breasts and curves, also rank SSS Drills
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>>115358798

But Rin has her raging Bisexuality, while Luvia is Asexual.
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>>115358721
It shows that someone skilled with swords could defend better than someone skilled bare-handed. Range advantage. Kuzuki isn't someone you want to get close to.
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>>115358779
Well then, tell me. If Shirou shot a Noble Phantasm her way, what would she be able to do to stop it? Do you think the spells of a modern magus would be able to stop a high speed flying Noble Phantasm?
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>>115358842
>Asexual
>not Shirousexual
No one turns down the jackhammering
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>>115358779
>directional
Rho Aias is conceptual, if it's a ranged attack it's going to block it.
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>>115358842
Not asexual, just innocent

>Although wealthy, Luvia does not tolerate excessive spending. However, she knows that such spending of money is meaningful because aristocrats are aristocrats. She understands that commoners do not have good views about the aristocrats, but loves them strongly because she understands them. She accepts that her fate is to marry a high-class gentleman of noble birth, but her personal tastes are more towards a simple man.

Dunno why you even post that asexual thing every thread despite it being plain inaccurate, but she's mostly just sheltered.
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>>115358865
>Do you think the spells of a modern magus would be able to stop a high speed flying Noble Phantasm?
Don't underestimate modern magi. Some of them are pretty broken and given that Rin is expected to hit the top 100 most notable magi in the Mage's Association I wouldn't put it past her to have something up her sleeve once she level grinds enough.
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>>115358798
Rin is elegant and petit. Luvia is a ham monster.
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>>115358895

She never shows sexual interest in anything, or even that she understands the concept. There's sheltered, and then there's zero understanding at all.
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>>115358901
If even Caster's defenses can't do anything to stop an onslaught of Noble Phantasms, what the hell makes you think Rin can?
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>>115358865
I don't think Shirou even has the mana to use broken phantasms like Archer. And there's no reason to just fire a normal NP, because he doesn't need to break through special defense.

Other than that: its terrain and tactics. Same reason Shirou gets screwed when he jumps down the stairs.

If you assume the arrow is an instant hit, might as well assume her jewel magic is an instant hits too.
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>>115358914
That's typically how sheltered works, she was never taught stuff like mana transfers as a child from Kotomine, and just grew up like that. She knows how it all works in a base sense, but as shown in that quote right there and Prism, she's not lacking in love at all.

She likes Shirou in Prism, and in Ataraxia she knows she isn't allowed to love on her own, but she has a sort of guy she likes already. Chances are a certain kid that starts working in her mansion after certain routes might fit that mold.
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>>115358928
Caster can teleport away. Or not teleport, but something "arbitrarily close" to the true magic of teleportation. Whatever the fuck that was supposed to mean.
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>>115358891
An explosion in his vicinity isn't exactly a ranged attack. And I can't say I've ever seen Rho Aias used multi-directionally.
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>>115358968
>I don't think Shirou even has the mana to use broken phantasms like Archer.
Who said anything about Broken Phantasms? Just shoot one or two swords.

Arrows have better range and accuracy than gems.

Also, remember, Shirou has excellent accuracy while Rin needs glasses. There is absolutely no way in hell Rin is going to win in terms of accuracy. Same with attack power. Shirou was able to recreate a weapon capable of wiping out half of Berserker's lives in one shot. There is nothing in Rin's arsenal that can match up to that. Kanshou and Bakuya alone could probably shatter any barrier Rin attempted to set up, whereas any ranged attacks would be blocked completely by Rho Aius. And as for technique, Shirou's skill with melee weapons completely outstrips Rin's.

Basically, Shirou has higher STR, DEF, DEX, AGI and TEC. As a combat Magus, Shirou has way too many advantages.
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Can somebody explain something to me?

Going by Archer's stat block, he's 20 times stronger than the average human, 30 times faster, 30 times more durable, and has 40 times the mana capacity.

What the fuck did Shirou do to himself to be able to reach these levels? And his mana capacity is actually surprisingly good given how much shit Shirou gets for being a subpar magus (though this might have to do with Rin being his master).
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>>115358914

Not outwardly displaying interest/not making sex a priority =/= asexual
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>>115358986
And that's why both Gilgamesh and Archer were able to skewer her so easily with their swordrains. Gil's swordrain penetrated her barriers like they weren't even there.
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>>115359086

He became a Counter Guardian.
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>>115359086
>What the fuck did Shirou do to himself to be able to reach these levels?
PLOT powerup.
>And his mana capacity is actually surprisingly good given how much shit Shirou gets for being a subpar magus
His wetware is optimized for making swords.
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>>115359086
>What the fuck did Shirou do to himself to be able to reach these levels?

Pay attention

He was at a tenth of his power during that match, but even then servants aren't so straight forward as to lose to a human, unless they suck

It's noted that even a split off piece of the Hundred Assassin's could whip Kerry in a fight easily enough.
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>>115359086
Those are just his Heroic Spirit stats, which are gimped compared to his Counter Guardian stats.
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I never played hollow ataraxia, just started it for the first time, the story of Mr. A is maximum spooky.
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>>115356395
Plot, my dear, plot. Even high-school kid with like 2 weeks of training could beat that King of Heroes. Even against UBW that pretty much counters his GoB Gil was stupid enough to just blast his best and most effective weapon.
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>>115359080
>one or two swords.
You better pin down a time here. If Shirou's fighting Rin, he doesn't have her mana stores. Which means he can't be careless with projections. You seem to just ignore the possibility of missing and also assume Shirou will have a clear shot.
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>>115359184
>>115359167
>>115359086
When I said Shirou, I wasn't necessarily talking about UBW Shirou, but the Shirou that became Archer.

He must've done some seriously level grinding in the ten-odd years he was alive to hit those levels.

And inb4 Servant buffs, he's basically unknown in this era and he's from the future. The only buff he could possibly get would be from Rin.
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>>115359279
>And inb4 Servant buffs, he's basically unknown in this era and he's from the future. The only buff he could possibly get would be from Rin.

When he became a Guaridan it was in exchange for raw power, but even then it's noted some of his power comes from being a servant as well.

It's noted in his bio he wasn't so good at strengthening in life compared to as a servant.
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>>115359080
Launch one jewel directly at him, toss one to the side to blow up. Rho Aias isn't shown as some spherical defense. Shirou also isn't shown projecting it before being given mana by Rin.

It's possible she could just grind him down with high level jewel magic. Shirou shouldn't be able to project the shield many times, nor can he attack while its up. Just have a jewel set up to go off as the shield drops.
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>>115359240
Again, Shirou has great accuracy. Rin is the disadvantaged one here. Furthermore, even before he formed that contract with Rin, he was creating weapon after weapon. He even managed to counter Archer's swordrain earlier in the route.

Shirou's practically made for combat. Every single skill and tool at his disposal exists for fighting.

Even just having ONE Noble Phantasm gives Shirou as huge advantage. You are seriously underestimating Noble Phantasms here. Shirou has the better weapons and better specs. The difference between Rin and Shirou is like the difference between a top-of-the-line civilian vehicle and a tank. Even if you outfit the civilian vehicle with weapons and reinforce it with better metal, the tank is literally made for killing things.
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What 3.5 classes would Shirou and Rin be?
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>>115359327
Rin needs more preparation to fight against Shirou.

Shirou has the advantage the moment he traces a Noble Phantasm. Grind him down with high level jewel magic? Shirou could win the fight in one stroke using a Noble Phantasm. The best Rin could do against that is dodge, because she has literally nothing that can protect her from a Durandal or Merodach.
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>>115359361
Accuracy doesn't matter if he doesn't have a clear shot or the time to get it off. And he's nearly burned himself out multiple times projecting, which is why I asked for a timeframe. What Shirou are we talking about here? Clearly it's UBW route at some point. and later in the route, but when?
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Is Rin aware that Archer is Shirou at the end of UBW?
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>>115359468
>Grind him down with high level jewel magic? Shirou could win the fight in one stroke using a Noble Phantasm.
What sort of response is that? Having a nice sword doesn't stop you from getting blown up.
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>>115359477
General. UBW or Hollow Ataraxia.

In a melee fight, Shirou wins, no question.

If it's a ranged dogfight, then Shirou has the advantage because he has the better accuracy, better weapons and better ammo. Even if you say that Shirou wouldn't have a clear shot, the same goes for Rin. In fact, even in such a scenario, Shirou still has the advantage because Rin wouldn't be able to make up for her inferior sight and firepower.

Rin only has a handful of gems. After that, she can only rely on single actions spells. I guarantee you that Shirou has more projections than Rin has gems.
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>>115359564
she know's by half way through
why do you think she spends so much time trying to get Shirou to have fun?
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>>115359564
She was aware of it halfway into the route
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>>115357428
I cried like a bitch during this scene, don't even care who knows it
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>>115359600
Its been a long time since I read it so I'd completely forgotten, I should probably go through the routes again
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>>115359564

She knows before he does.

The question is what event does she see in his dreamcycle that blows it open. Does she see his Holy Grail War?
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>>115358212
glad to see that no one can refute my opinion
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>>115359564
I'm pretty sure the only route where she doesn't figure it out is Fate.
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>>115359651
Well it's wrong because Taiga isn't on top.
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>>115359681

How does she know in HF?
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>>115359587
Rin shoots through walls, so the clear shot thing isn't necessarily an issue. Assume they're in the school, for instance. There's always a risk Rin could Gandr him from unseen angles or from another floor.

Shirou's NPs aren't a defense against AoE gems unless you're talking about Rho Aias. And Rho Aias has problems already talked about.
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>>115359723
There's a scene where she sees Shirou has her pendant. She's at least aware something was off.
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>>115359746
She isn't just aware "something is off", but far more.
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>>115359723
It's normally impossible for two DIFFERENT people to have an arm transfer because their soul code is different
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>>115359758
I think they're also somewhat becoming aware of how screwed up his mind and body are starting to become at that point in heavens feel.
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>>115359758
Chances are she knows before that point as well, but hearing Archer talk through him was more than enough.

Even if it was the small fraction of that spirit still left in the arm.
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>>115359810
She never found out he removed the shroud, ever.

Ilya put the shroud back on him before calling Rin in there, and they managed to hide it from her before that point.
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>>115359735
>There's always a risk Rin could Gandr him from unseen angles or from another floor.
Shirou has superior instincts compared to Rin as well. He's repeatedly shown the capacity to sense surprise attacks like that.

When are you gonna get it through your head that Shirou's the superior combatant? It's like the difference between Touko and Aoko. Touko may be the superior magus, but Aoko's not gonna lose to her in a fight, because she's simply stronger. Rin's not a combat specialist. Her talents don't lie in fighting. Skill, instinct, tactics, timing, power and insight. When it comes to fighting, Shirou's repeatedly shown to trump Rin in all those things.
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>>115359644
>Does she see his Holy Grail War?
Anon stop you're doing funny things to me
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>>115359836
Having superior specs doesn't mean the other person isn't a threat. Nasu battles should make that obvious. I'm simply pointing out counters that you ignore or overlook.

For instance, superior instincts didn't stop him from getting Bad Ended in the stairs. So you can't just use it as magic plot armor that means he'll never get hit.
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>>115359873

Does Rin see whoever Archer Shirou dicks in his route then?

Is that why she wants to jump him later in the route?
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dies to worms in every non hf ending

:^)
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>>115359931
Rin's always had at least a slight interest in Shirou, and she grows to like him even more during the war. It didn't just stem from him being Archer.
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>>115359931
>Heroic Spirit of the bow. The basic abilities of these Servants tended to be low, but they compensated with Skills and Noble Phantasms.
>The Archer in this story was no exception, he engaged in combat with unidentified Noble Phantasms.
>A thoroughly cynical pragmatist... but even so, he had an oddly childish personality that no one could hate.
>His real identity was ???. He was such an important character in the story, you could call him the shadow protagonist. Half of Fate could be called his story.
>At the beginning of the game, Archer claimed his memory was confused due to incomplete summon. This was half-truth.
>On the night of the summoning, Archer assessed the situation and deduced the current circumstances. He believed that he would have the opportunity to achieve his goal.
>At the instant Rin introduced herself, Archer believed the girl who summoned him was "Tohsaka Rin" (not due to his memory being confused, but the name Tohsaka Rin being worn off).

The only one it's confirmed not to be is Rin
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>>115359704
well, I can accept your opinion since you have such a decent waifu
though we may disagree, I cannot refute your reasons to believe in the way you do
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>>115360011
He also has zero reaction to Sakura during HF.
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>>115360011
How does that confirm it wasn't Rin?
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>>115359911
I've repeatedly stated that he has the advantage, not that Rin stands no chance.

Sure, Rin does have some chance, but Shirou still has the overwhelming advantage, much like how even though Lancer is tremendously disadvantaged against Berserker, but he still has some chances of victory.
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>>115360011
In terms of likelyhood

Saber - 4%
Rin - 2%
Sakura - 1%(didn't know who Medusa was, and was the second most fucked up after hearing about all the rape outside the Church where he's almost questioning his ideals, but then goes "Too late to change", and warns Shirou what's to come.)
Ilya - 11%
Other - 82%

>>115360074
Learn to read inbetween the lines one day

>>115360089
(not due to his memory being confused, but the name Tohsaka Rin being worn off).
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>>115360089
Well I'd imagine he'd remember the name of his former lover, for one.
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>>115360113
It's definitely not Saber. Archer laments that he wasn't able to save her.

It's not Ilya either, since she wastes away and dies a year after the 5th Heaven's Feel.
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>>115360104
That's fine then. I started with comments to >>115358511 which had a flat out "can't beat Shirou" and "What could Rin do?"
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>>115360113
>>115360130
Just about all of Archer's memory was worn off though. The only thing he had permanently engraved into his mind was the summoning of Saber.

Isn't there a quote saying that while he had forgotten the name Tohsaka, once he remembered it, he felt great fondness for it?
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Why is Archer's memory so terrible anyway?

Doesn't remember his master in Extra despite spending months training them on Earth at one point, doesn't remember Rin until awhile after being summoned by her since her name has been worn off entirely, doesn't remember Sakura aside from maybe a small mention in CCC where he at most goes "Huh, this reminds me I once had an underclassmen that visited me for a time" near the end from what I've heard.

Doesn't remember anyone, aside from maybe Ilya and Saber.
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Archer's lover was Ciel.

She made the red man red.
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What if there's a potential future where Shirou decides to partner up with Bazett, becoming her sidekick?

And he uses Avenger's weapons.
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>>115360220
>despite spending months training them on Earth at one point,

and that was back when he was alive, but to be fair they were just another person he helped out of thousands perhaps. Though he mentions at one point he had such a student, but had entirely forgotten them at this point aside from them being a greenhorn from the sound of things.
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>>115360220
From what I understand, he spent so long as a counter guardian that his actual life was just a blip on the radar compared to what he went through after he died.
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>>115360223

I like it.
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>>115347502
>she saved him mainly for Sakura
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>>115360113
>Archer questioning his ideals
>Archer
>ideals
You messed up, mate.
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>>115360162
That doesn't mean that him and Ilya weren't having a good time
His holy grail war is probably extremely different from what we've seen.
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>>115347502
It was just a bro tease, although she was pretty hot for him in that route either way at times, despite supporting Sakura all the way at other times.

It's a love rivalry almost, you want to see the other person do their best, but you also don't want to lose. So you support them, but you also stay strong.

It's for that reason Rin was upset when she heard Shirou skipped out on lunch with Sakura for her. She didn't want that feeling wasted like that.
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>>115360298
Nah. One of his greatest laments was being unable to save Ilya, being unable to do anything but watch as she wasted away right before his eyes.
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>>115360223
I want to believe this too. It'd be one of the more interesting outcomes.
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>>115360162
>It's not Ilya either, since she wastes away and dies a year after the 5th Heaven's Feel.

Doesn't mean anything, since he knew Saber for a far shorter time.

No matter what, it's shown he holds a strong regret towards that which keeps even to this day.
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>>115360220
He's been going through the counter guardian motions for a very long time now.
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>>115360352
That doesn't mean she's his lover.

Frankly, that kind of development sounds extremely unlikely for Emiya Shirou. It's not like he's a degenerate.
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>>115360394
Shirou hates degeneracy.
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>>115360290
Did we read the same route?
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>>115360386
According to the man himself in one scene, it's not like he remembers each summoning, rather it's more like he's in a library full of books. He can choose to read the books, but each book is filled with nothing but death and despair created by his own hands.
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>>115360338
Wouldn't he lament it more because he has such a close relationship to her?
Thus training hard, better, faster, and stronger
It's almost widely accepted that the Ilya route is a strong lead into to the Archer route
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>>115360434
FUCK YOU EMIYA

ALARM CLOCKS ARE AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY TO HUMANITY

I DARESAY THAT WITHOUT THEM, HUMANITY WOULD HAVE GONE EXTINCT LONG AGO
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>>115360434
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>>115360480

i love it
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>>115360187
>However, he didn't realize the girl who summoned him was Tohsaka Rin until she introduced herself. (His memory wasn't fuzzy, the name "Tohsaka Rin" had simply been worn away by time.)

>At that moment, it all came rushing back like lightning.

>"Then I'll call you Rin. ...Yes, it suits you well."

>Archer's murmur at that time was thick with a heartfelt and madly passionate affection.
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>>115360550
I don't know where you got that but this is the quote from the side material

At the instant Rin introduced herself, Archer believed the girl who summoned him was "Tohsaka Rin" (not due to his memory being confused, but the name Tohsaka Rin being worn off).
At that moment, Archer recalled like a jolt of lightning:

"-------Rin. Ah, that's the name------"

Archer murmured this under his breath at that time. It was truly from his heart and filled with much endearment close to insanity.
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>>115360615
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ/edit?pli=1

Seems to be the same quote, just translated differently.
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>>115360352

That regret could be because Archer knows she is his Sister, which Shirou does not.



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