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What kind of NTR is this shit? She actually enjoyed being raped mindlessly by worms?

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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>>115325182
>Implying you wouldn't
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Of course she didn't, idiot. Read the VN.
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>>115325182
I'm no girl, but I imagine it would feel pretty fucking good OP.
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>>115325182
I swear this is the same nigger who keeps making F/Z thread, stop blogging your progress.
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>>115325482
Do you think she's called "wormslut" for no reason?
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Sakura is the wormgirl from the past
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>>115325538
Well, unlike you I actually read the VN, so...
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>>115325607
>windows 8
>implying she didn't love being fucked and mindlessly raped by the worms

Read it again and install gentoo fucking nigger
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>>115325482
>implying

Be real anon, she was in a state of ecstasy for lengthy amounts of time.

She was feeling pretty fucking good.
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>>115325182
>NTR
Stop using words you don't know the meaning of.
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>>115325674
>windows 8
Are you blind?

>>115325725
Oh please, she straight-up says she's always hated it. Just because you guys like to masturbate to her getting raped by worms doesn't mean she canonically liked it.
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>>115325835
>horny as fuck all the time
>willing to get raped by her brother if it means she can get fucked
>b-but she hates the worms

Yeah wormposter, shut up.
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>>115325930
Which is why she kills him for raping her, right? You shut up, dumb dumb.
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>>115325674
>windows 8
You fucking what?
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>>115325930
did they even fuck?
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did she ever get the worms taken out of her or is she literally a dead apostle
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>>115325981
Because thats any different from killing hundreds of other normal people, right? Face it, she is a horny wormslut.
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>>115326019
Read the fucking VN.
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>>115325981
You might not want it, but it doesn't mean your body doesn't feel good in the process.

Not trying to call your waifu a slutfu anon, but sexual stimulation feels nice and just because she was raped doesn't mean it didn't at least feel good. At least not by the worms anyway, Shinji could've been doing some pretty painful S&M shit.
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>>115326140
did they fuck you retarded piece of shit, im asking you a question and you are telling me to waste 120 hours of my life reading something i already did

holy fuck

>>>/v/
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>>115326148
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that canonically aside from the immediate sexual pleasure, she hated the worm training and she hated Shinji. It's super clear in HF that she put up with what she did because Zouken broke her will as a child, not because she was craving the wormdick like people like to fantasize.
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>>115325835
>Oh please, she straight-up says she's always hated it.
Japanese girls scream "no" during all sex including consensual and if it feels good.
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>>115325182
>NTR
You aren't using that correctly OP.
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>>115326260
>not because she was craving the wormdick like people like to fantasize.

AYYYY

FUCKING

LMAO
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>>115326315
he is tho
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>>115326240
>waste 120 hours of my life reading something i already did
Well maybe it isn't a bad idea since obviously you didn't retain any of it or else you wouldn't be asking such a retarded question that was covered several times over.
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>was adopted by a worm family
>fucked by worms
>didnt like it at first but gave in after 1 day
>did it every day
>her new uncle tries to save her
>she kills him
>she goes back to getting fucked

>not NTR

>>>/v/
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>>115326391
>>her new uncle tries to save her
>>she kills him
But she didn't, he died from worms.
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>>115326459
No, she killed him and threw his body to the worms and went back to getting fucked by them.
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>>115325930
>demon worms that literally get into your nerves and make you be horny all the time
>WHAT A SLUT
Are you people for real
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>>115325182
That was just the anime reinterpretation, in the novel it was this:

Sakura stared at the corpse of the man who had fallen before her in the icy-cold
darkness of the worm storage. This man was muttering to himself even till the end,
and a satisfied smile was on his face even as he died.
How odd. Why would this man return here? Why did he still want to live when he
was in such a despicable state?
Although Sakura couldn’t understand why, she clearly knew why he was in anguish,
and why he was dead.
– You must not disobey Grandfather.
Everyone in the Makiri house knew that, but why wouldn’t this man obey that rule?
He was an adult, but he was helplessly stupid.
Why, why would this man choose such a meaningless death?
After a brief consideration – ahh, that was why. Sakura suddenly understood it.
This must be her lesson tonight.
A lesson to teach her what would happen to those who disobeyed Grandfather’s will.
This man died here so Sakura could see a real example with her own eyes.
Yes, I understood, Grandfather.
The girl nodded obediently. She burned this scene deep into her memory while she
stared, unmoving, at the corpse surrounded by worms that was gradually becoming
smaller and smaller.
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>>115326517
Secondaries aren't people, anon.
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Was it confirmed the worms left her body?
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>>115326541
>>115325182

That's was one of the many parts that the F/Z anime failed to adapt well.
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>>115326325
Nice retort. ayy

>>115326517
Thank you.
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>>115326517
This. Fuck off faggots it's not like she wants to.
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>>115326484
>this level of shitpost

At least I answered.
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So... I never got into FSN, so could somebody please spoil me about this character?
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Kariya died for nothing, he should have lived and took care of Rin even behind the shadows and his short life.

That's why Shirou should be a superhero than risking his life for worms.
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>>115326694
read the vn
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>>115326694
ok

adopted by a family obsessed with worms, got fucked by worms to become part of the family 100%, started to love it, doing it every day, got raped by her step brother repeatedly
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How do Sakurafags even exist? Your waifu is disgusting wormslut whose only goal in life is to get more worms into her wormpussy. Fucking sick.
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>>115326694
She's Rin's sister who was raped by worms/her stepbrother until she killed the latter after she was jackhammered by the red man from the past.
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>>115326779
Sakura is perfect. A pleb like you would never be able to understand.
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>>115326779
What kind of monster can say no to this?
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>>115326601
>its all mind control!
>she doesnt really like the worms and isnt horny at all! its artificial horny!!!!!
>le secondary meme

This are the wormslut fags
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>>115326783
>>115326748
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Who is the best Fate villain? Kotomine? Zouken? Gilgamesh? Angry Man Jew?
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>>115326779
Still better than Rin
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>>115326541

They've also failed to show Saber's eyes changing to Saber Alter eyes during her final moments against Gilgamesh.
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>>115326748
>>115326783
That's horrible.
So, she's a victim... One who I wouldn't touch with a 10-feet long pole, but still a victim...
What kind of worms, anyway?
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>>115326600
wheres ur trip you obnoxious fag
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>>115326902
I dont particulary hate sakura, I like her in fact, but Rin is so far ahead its not even funny, only Taiga can compete.
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>>115326921
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>>115326884
The Red Man
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>>115326921
>>115326948
That filename triggers my autism.
Blood worms - 吸血虫 - Kyuuketsuchuu
What Zouken became.

Crest worms - 刻印虫 - Kokuinchuu

What was planted inside Sakura and Matou Kariya. Worms that will continue to eat the Prana of the user and do nothing more than transmit whether the user is still alive or not.

Forces the body itself to physically remember the thaumaturgy of a line and hence is regarded. Can expand one's circuits (and will eventually act as artificial circuits in one year) and speed up acquisition of thaumaturgy in a short amount of time provided training. Cost in that case is extremely shortenned life (only a few years) in addition to the pain factor (as well as being turned into a puppet).

Sakura's worms were made from the remains of the 4th grail.

淫虫 - Inchuu (Lust worms)
The lowest of familiars. Used by Zouken. Worms that love feasting on the blood, marrow, and energy of humans. Will shatter the spine of males and suck on the brain, turning them into cripples. Will feast on the mental energies of the women instead by sexual stimulation through the nervous system. Will not normally eat the flesh of women, but the uterus is one of their favorite meals. Will consume the placenta once sexual pleasures, enough to fry the nerves in the brain, are given to the victim.

The worms in the image are Lustworms
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>>115326873
When the host is a male, they consume their bone marrow and part of the brain after shattering his spine, making him crippled in the process. When it is a female, they absorb the mental energy created after sexual stimulation is made through the nervous system. Usually don't consume the flesh of women, but the uterus is their favorite meals. Will eat the placenta after giving its victim sexual pleasure strong enough to fry the nerves of the brain.
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>>115326948
Please tell me they're the ones on the left. The ones on the right are way more scary, and would hurt a fucking lot more. Poor girl, why didn't she just kill herself?
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>>115327010
Does Sakura still have any worms left inside her?
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>>115326834
>>115326848
>>115326902
>that denial
You people are sick.
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>>115326927
I'm not sure who you think I am, but I don't trip on /a/.

>>115326944
So you like tsunderes, that's cool. Personally I feel like Sakura is the perfect mix of tragic heroine, yan, and dere.
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Rin is the only heroine relevant in all 3 routes.
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>>115327030
See >>115327010
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reminder that she can't have kids and shirou probably left her after realizing that fact
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>>115327042
She's also the only one consistently shit in all 3.
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>>115327054
Still, how come she didn't kill herself after all that?
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>>115327025
Even bismuth doesn't have this many edges.
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>>115327039
In all routes yes including F/HA
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how did sakura look like before she enjoyed getting raped
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>>115327076
>reminder that she can't have kids
How is that a downside
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>>115327041
She has perfect mix of worms inside her, lol
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>>115327041
Her personality is repulsive and I her suffering was so overdone it got hillarious.
I realy don't understand how anyone can like her considering her only character trait in F/SN is saying Senpai way too often.
This was exageration
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>>115327121
It is when you grow up, honey
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>>115327076
Why cant she have kids?

>>115327092
Why does he still keep the worms inside her? Holy fuck.
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>>115327133
>lol

Fuck off.
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>>115327041
>So you like tsunderes, that's cool. Personally I feel like Sakura is the perfect mix of tragic heroine, yan, and dere.
that funny because I HATE tsundere, or at least the one we see in every anime, but rin is the balanced I guess.
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>>115327158
The crest worm acts like a magic crest.
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>>115327158
Her reproductive organs have been eaten up by worms.
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>>115327092
She takes it out of her in Heaven's Feel. The fuck are you talking about
>>115327152
Nope. Even if they want kids, they could adopt.
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>>115327194
fuck mayne

shes so disgusting i'd kill her right away
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>>115327158
Once a worm, always a worm.

Also no one likes her, no friends in school, no social life and not even the main group of characters like her except Shirou in one route where he drops his ideals and saves her.
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>>115327208
adopted child is not the same as your own flesh and blood.
real life is not like those heart warming movies and cartoons
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>>115327090
Because she's fucked up. Normal people would want to do just that after less than a day in the pit. The fact that she stuck it out for years shows that she's anything but.
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Sakura was an idiot. To be a slut, she would have slept with zouken in order to avoid being worm'd. prove me wrong.
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>>115327202
top kek
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>>115327174
Mad that your waifu is a dickworm addict? lol
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Who let the worms out?
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>>115327202
No they haven't.
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>>115327135
Say that to my face faggot not online and see what happens

>>115327179
Rin is a classic tsundere, but to be fair she is pretty balanced.
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Isn't there a route or an alternate universe in which she didn't get the worms?
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WHY IS SHE LIVING WITH SHIROU AND NOT WITH ZOUKEN IN FATE STAY

fucking anime adoptions
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>>115326921
They are happiness worms.
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>>115327258
Not even a Sakurafag. She's easily worst girl but you're not helping your case by talking like a 12 year old on Facebook.
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>>115327287
No.
That way we wouldn't have Nasu's tryhard tragedy.
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>>115327256
She wanted them worms inside of her, man.
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ITT Rin-fags trying to justify their generic as fuck tsundere waifu.
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>>115327082
your face is the only consistently shit thing here
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>>115327257
>top kek
Since when has this shit reached /a/ and why is it not bannable?
And why are people who dislike Sakura so /b/-tier?
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>>115327090
1) the Makiri's (the Matou's old family name before they made their family a japanese house)
had always carved their teachings into their bodies. Zouken was likely the one that started the process of using the worms to do that. Every legit matou mage would have to do that (But Kariya's was an severely hastened process, and his potential wasn't great so the stuff was more extensive and intrusive)
2) Zouken can prevent the host from killing itself or can immediately have the host be killed with the worms.
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>>115327090
Because Zouken fucked her up. She was a child when it started, and she was mentally broken. Then she saw Shirou and got some hope.
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Rin will always be better
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>>115327202
No it haven't, there was nothing that indicated that.
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>>115327349
;_; SHIROOUUUUU
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>>115327349
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
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is sakura aware of Rin is her sister
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>>115327270
>Rin is a classic tsundere, but to be fair she is pretty balanced.
classic is a bit harsh, what I consider classic tsundere is the one who should get death penalty (looking at you oreimoshit, zero no tsukaima and all the clone of theses sluts)
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>>115327386
Fucking kill yourself
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>>115327349
Holy fuck. Even for a retard as dense as Shirou that was too inconsiderable
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>>115327349
>Oh no your dream wasn't all about me

Look at how shallow this bitch is.
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>>115327245
Who cares. Kids are shit anyway.
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>>115327404
>>115327412
Even Ilya hates her
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>>115327395
>(looking at you oreimoshit, zero no tsukaima and all the clone of theses sluts)

All of those are modern tsunderes, though.
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>>115327412
Dreams are very important to understand one's personality.
He practically said that he wants to fuck Rin that scene
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>>115327452
Ilya states she likes her though, you're just taking things out of context.
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>>115327452
>caring about shit Illya
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>>115327452
Sakura is more human tho.

Ilya is barely human
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>>115327452
I know we're shitposting here, but come on. Even braindead idiots could tell illya just wanted to be alone with Shirou. It doesn't matter if it was Sakura or whoever.
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>>115327395
F/SN is from before those franchises even started. Those characters are more tsun than dere, hence they're not really what I'd consider "classic" tsundere, which I feel is represented more in 80s and 90s series like Ranma 1/2 with Akane.

>>115327412
Shut your mouth. Sakura's love for Shirou is incredibly pure.
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>>115327475
>Dreams are very important to understand one's personality.

Go home, Freud, you're high again.
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>>115327382
>>115327404
that scene was her trying to take shirou's temperature
when he admitted he dreamt of tohsaka she just left the thermometer with him and walked out
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Zouken is always right
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>>115327452
>best girl hates worst girl

It's to be expected.
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>>115327505
Just getting started
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>>115327500
>Sakura's love for Shirou is incredibly pure.
How does she react to seeing Rin and Shirou as a couple after UBW true?
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>>115327412
>>115327382
She is insecure and shallow

t. Picking Rider blows her out
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>>115327542
>Illya
>best

Nope
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Poor Sakura.
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>>115327542
Yes, it's no wonder Sakura hates Rin.
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>>115327587
She doesn't "see" them, per se
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>>115327395
No one really cares about what *you* consider classic tsun. The term means a girl who is acting aggressive (either with words or actions) towards the guy but warms up slowly. A good example is Tsugumi from Ever17.
A modern tsun is a girl who goes back and forth between being aggressive and dere. A good example is Taiga from Toradora.

If a tsun is violent then that tsun is neither of those. Then she is simply a shit.
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>>115327606
Rider. I just need a condom with her, with Sakura I'd need a fucking flammenwerfer.
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You retards make me like Sakura just to be on the opposite side from all this cancer.

Akiha best TM forever and ever.
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>>115327645
There's still a year before they go to London
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>>115327587
Zouken sends her to the Emiya residence as part of her "training".

Rin and Shirou come back after ten years and get married.
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>>115325607
Install Windows you fucking plebshit.
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>>115326884
Primate Murder
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>>115327681
I think you mean. elder god tier Ryougi Shiki
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>>115327618
Days like these I wish we could overturn the rule that best girls never win.
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>>115326884
Cain. The First Murderer.
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>>115327341
>Then she saw Shirou and got some hope.
Personally, seeing somebody as retarded as Shirou would make me lose most hope for humanity.
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>>115327741
Rin won though.
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How many volumes is F/Z?

I watched the show but reading over and over about the adaptation fucking up some shit hard as balls makes me want to read it.
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>>115326884
Is that even a question
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>>115327671
>with Sakura I'd need a fucking flammenwerfer.
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>>115327681
>Crimson Red Vermillion
>best
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>>115326884
>Gil
>villain

Kotomine was just a psycho he wasn't evil to say per se
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>>115325182
Hating on a Heroine? It's time.
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>>115327202
isn't that only supposed to happen after the girl loses her mind from the stimulation?
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>>115327606

He didn't pick Rider, he did the same thing as always, he was concerned that she was standing like a statue over them and wanted her to join the meal.

The reason Sakura gets mad is that he acted weird about it, he even says so in his internal monologue, he behaved like he was going to confess to her instead of just asking her to sit down.

Notice that if you calmly just say that you want her to sit with them, Sakura has no problem, hell, she defends Medusa if you out and out say you're scared of her.

Leave it to /a/ to know nothing about a character.
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>>115327671
Rider likes it natural though
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>>115327707
Are you high, anon?

>>115327587
I think you can safely assume that her suffering continues in both Fate and UBW routes. I haven't read HA so I don't know what she's like in it.
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>>115327772
Shirou is a stone cold killer badass. What are you talking about?
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about to watch Tsukihime anime
What should I expect?
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>>115327824
It isn't supposed to happen at all with the crest worms
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>>115327814
Akiha's not a Triple Red yet. There is no Triple Red as far as we know. Kishima is the closest to reaching that state, but he's not quite there yet either.
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>>115327857
Watch the what? When did it get adapted?
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>>115327857
It's a lot better than VN.
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WORMSLUT A SHIT
ILYA BEST GIRL
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>>115327839
Learn to crop faggot
>>115327857
How are you going to watch something that doesn't exist?
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>>115327772
Clearly you don't understand the magnitude of pure erotic power that the high jump is capable of exerting.
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>>115327857
What?

Since when did they even make an anime for Tsukihime?
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Why is Akiha so much better than Rin? Why is Rin so shit?

>>115327814
You know very well she is.
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>>115327823
Ntruto will save them all.
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who's the best scantalation group for the vn?
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>>115327838
I don't freaking care what she likes, man.
What *I* don't like is STDs.
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>>115327876
>>115327890
>>115327900

Oh look, it's this shit again.
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>>115327908
Because your taste is as good as Akiha shit
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>>115327890
I only posted it because that anon told me to "install Windows", when that is clearly Windows in the image.

>>115327908
Well, Tsukihime is a much better VN overall than F/SN. I think everyone can agree with that.
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>>115327908
You're a shitty killer, go back sucking Kohaku's blood
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>>115327928
why should she have stds
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>>115327926
>Who's the only translation group for the VN?

Fixed that for you.
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>>115327908
>Why is Akiha so much better than Rin? Why is Rin so shit?
I have seen some shitty taste in my life, but yours takes the price.
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>>115327969
What are you talking about?
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>>115327824

No, if the person can't handle the drain, they die from their life force being taken.

They are called luster worms because they induce harsh stimulation to the pleasure centers of the brain and burn it out. This is what happens if the host can't provide magical energy to them. They are parasites.

For men, they start chewing into the spine, for women, they burn out the brain and erode the nerves in the body. Sakura was powerful enough that these effects didn't get too far until she was stretched to her limits in HF.
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>>115327983
that's still a shitty crop
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>>115327886
Nice shitpost,
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>>115327928
She fucked many men during her time until Perseus killed her and threw her head on a sack and lost it.
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>>115327928
>not letting her drink it all
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>>115327838
Rider a best.
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>>115327926
>which
There's really only one. No one wants to have to go translating it again, it took long enough the first time.
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>>115328018
I don't care, suck my dick
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>>115328010
Zouken never used Lustworms on Kariya or Sakura.
How about you read the description of the different worms that was posted this thread
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>>115328032
Is this a new doujin?
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>>115327997
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I didn't like F/SN. The writing was horrid
Is Tsukihime better?
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>>115326714
Kariya died because he never bothered to tell anyone about the worms. If he'd just gone to Rin's dad and told him about the worms they could have saved Sakura in about ten minutes.
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>>115327908
Kohaku > Akiha
I'm still mad that Akiha got away with all the shit she did in Kohaku's route
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>>115328117
Denial about what?
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>>115328036
Shirou fucks her behind Sakura's back in F/HA and to the point Saber caught them doing the deed and becoming jealous and increasing her hostility to Rider.

She didn't need mana or something, they just clicked. It was a nod to the axed Rider route in the original F/SN.
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>>115327341

It was less hope and more inspiration to keep going. She then got to know him and that was when she fell for him. It was a long process that took about 4 years.
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>>115328133
>Kariya
>making logical decisions
>>115328117
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>115328121
It's different
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>>115325182
Holy shit just started watching Fate and the cute purple hair girl got raped? This has rape?
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Why Shirou not living in normal house?
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>>115328121
Not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really not really.
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>>115328121
Yes, definitely.
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Reminder that Child-Gil would slaughter Adult-Gil without mercy.
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>>115328110
that thing is as old as f/ha
shirou was banging rider every night
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>>115328121
I can't speak for the accuracy but in terms of prose the translation was much better
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>>115328186
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>>115328237
Fuck I missed it then.
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>>115328235
>implying there is a difference between kid gil and adult gil
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>>115328196
yeah, a lot of it
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>>115328196
It is never shown directly.
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>>115328257
Hm? Why is there an empty red box in that image?
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>>115325182
Oh holy shit this is worse than those faggots who only watched the first FSN anime.
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>>115328121
Not really, the writing could be better if it was more polished. If you don't mind a lot of the routes sharing scenes, I'd say go for it. The atmosphere and the way the backstory is revealed is pretty good.
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>>115328196
Well, they will probably cut it out. But Rin was borderline raped by Shirou.
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>>115328257
What are you trying to show me anon? I know Tsukihime and the plus disk exist.
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>>115328036
this
the only possible contention is Caster, but she is Kuzuki-sexual
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>>115328257
Nice wiki edit
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>>115325182
No, she just understood the whole situation wrong. Also, she never knew what Kariya was exactly doing, as he never told her to not give her false hopes. It's everything very Urobuchi-like.
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>>115328133

He definitely should have told Tokiomi, but Tokiomi and Aoi never really asked him how Sakura was doing or why he was so upset either.

Also factor in that Tokiomi is retardedly in the mindset of a cold magus most of the time. If he finds out his daughter is the experiment of a heretic, and Zouken uses her as a hostage, what do you think he would do? Frankly, Sakura's only hope back then was ironically the grail. Which doesn't work, go figure.
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OP here. i intended to shitpost about NTR but everyone started discussing about waifus and sakura

ive been defeated, expect my return tomorrow
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>>115328276
>>115328282
>>115328312
God fucking damn it I am dropping this. I thought anime barely had this shit.
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>>115328268
There is. Kid Gil finds his older self distasteful. He's usually rather charming and polite, even to those who are rude to him, but he always has something bad to say about his older self.

Also, according to Nasu, Child Gil isn't the King of Carelessness he eventually grows up to be. He's merciless towards those he considers his enemies, though he's much more lenient about the qualifications. Unlike Adult Gil, who's known to toy with his enemies, Child Gil would retrieve the appropriate Noble Phantasm and cut them down on the spot.

There are many differences between Kid Gil and Adult Gil.
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>>115328133
You don't know how Magus live do you,anon? first off Zouken can see and hear everything anyone infected with his worms can so if he were to go blab he'd just kill him right then and there. Second, Kariya is such a jealous fucking faggot he'd never talk to Tokomi without trying to kill him, Third. Tokomi wouldn't care at all what Sakura is going through so long as she stays alive long enough to become the Matou family head he felt that he could use her to basically control all the matous which means he and his family would be the most powerful magus's in fuyuki city making it even easier to get the grail and easier to get to the root for the mage organization. Finally, even if he had saved Sakura and brought her back to her family the family would just throw her to another mage family because she's just to full of potential to be thrown into the civi life or killed. Sakura was doomed to a life of pain the moment she was born with such a large amount of magical talent
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>>115328338
Poor Kariya.
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>>115328378
Back to tumblr faggot
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>>115328323
My biggest grip with Hollow Ataraxia, I wanted an Eclipse scene were you are turned in the witch fuck toy
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>>115328328
Went back in time nearly 8 years to rip you a new one. How's it feel?
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I would rather date all three of them than do anything with Sakura.
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>>115328133
>magus sociopath
>giving a shit about his daughter
top lel
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>>115328484
Who are these three annoying unfunny cunts?
They remind me of Taiga
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>>115327928
How can you say you don't like them if you've never had them.
Checkmate
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>>115328484
I just want the glasses one.
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>>115328530
Figt me those three along with Taiga and Luvia are better bed mates then shitty Rin,Sakura,Saber and Rider who've all fallen for the jackhammer.
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>>115328338

The anime completely changed the scene shown in the novel, just like how Rin's friend Kotone doesn't live in the novel's canon.

What really happened is that Sakura was chained up when Kariya stumbled into the room, he fell into the pit, and was devoured in front of her. She burned the memory into her mind and watched silently after she says her final line.

It was supposed to be melancholic and sad, and showed us why Sakura doesn't reach out for help, but the anime turned it into her looking like some sadist who doesn't care.
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>>115328625
Why couldn't he be this cool ever?
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>>115328689
Anime is more canon anyways.
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>>115328535
You got me, bro. I really need to go out and fuck all the whores of the biggest city near my house until I get those damn STD. I'm going now!
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>>115328707

Most of the Servants are better when they just chill the fuck out and don't have to deal with the war.

Gil gets along with kids, but he is still pretty much a slimeball to everyone else. Besides, Hollow kind of shoves the rather unsavory stuff under the carpet. See: Shinji and Zouken being comedy relief.
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>>115328117
>return to meaningful life
Is this some damage control for catholic rape victims?
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>>115325981
enjoy your used slut
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>>115327041
Sakura a qt. I for one would like to see more of ponytail Sakura.
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>>115327404
Don't blame Shirou.
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This thread is so full of shit its like walking through a sewage plant.
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>>115328484
Ginger a best
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>>115327452
That was just Illya misunderstanding. She thinks Shirou was asking Illya to dinner, but got depressed when Shirou said he's having the dinner with Sakura.
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>>115327908
Let's all list the reasons that make Akiha better than Rin!

She's perflat.
She's ladylike.
She's devoted.
She has maids.
She can hold her liquor.
She has table etiquette.
She has a bigger house.
She's rich but not greedy.
She cares about her sibling.
She has the best h-scene of all.
She doesn't please old men for money.
She has a maid that pleases old men for no money.
She looks considerably better in an empty sunset-lit classroom.
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>>115327349

This was after he pretty much almost got morning wood from Sakura taking care of him.

There is no blowing out here, just a teenage boy with hormones. Seriously, you can have romantic feelings for more than one person at a time. Is that some type of foreign concept here or something?
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>>115328121
That have more to do with the translation.
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>>115329372
>She's a god damned demon hybrid and should get exterminated
>Is possesive as fuck
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>>115325182

You ever read Muv Luv?
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>>115328381
It is even talked about in F/E CCC.

http://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/entry-111-someone-elses-dream/

>— Thus, I was gazing on the fortress city. The voice calling to me came from within it. Suppressing my impatience, I counted the days until he would be grown. In childhood, he had an air of royalty about him surpassing any other on earth. Open-mindedness, prudence, justice, he valued all of these virtues. The average person walking by was charmed by him and would sing his praises. He appeared the ideal boy-king. I could only think that the gods had made some mistake, saying he had grown proud. The young Gilgamesh had no faults in need of punishment. …if there was some problem with him, it was only that while he did honor the gods, he didn’t submit to them.

>Years passed, and that boy grew into a young man. I acknowledged that the gods’ fears had been correct. In only a few years he had become a different person. Despotism. Tyranny. Coercion. Levies. As much luxury as possible, to satisfy his own selfish desires. Why did it come to this, the people of Uruk lamented. We never thought it would go this far, the gods fretted.
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>>115329372
Her red hair looks nicer than Rin's twintails.
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>>115329025
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

Take an intro psych class sometime.
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>>115328909
Yeah both are pieces of shit but their harmless shit that are completely terrified of Sakura now. It's oddly satisfying because Shinji only appears a total of 3 times. one is him bitching about only appearing 3 times the other is him and Shirou teaming up to steal Sakura's diary and..well anyone whose seen anime can guess how that ends. and finally..I can't remember his last appearance.
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>>115329626
That shade of red always makes me aggressive.
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>>115328567
The glasses one (Kane) has a boyfriend
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>>115329526
Nigga what'd you do if someone ate your hamburger
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>>115326899
souce on that? i need it
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>>115328625
>Mimi
Isn't that the girl from Prisma Illya?
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>>115329533
hurr
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>>115330761
Its in the F/Z LNs:

Now, even the last thread of hope had been ground out of existence, but in Saber’s
heart still flared a flame of anger.
Chances of victory, or tactics—None of that mattered any more. Saber only thought
it unforgivable—she could not forgive that even now, there was still someone who
stood between her and the Grail.
"...You, get out of the way…”
Saber’s low voice was filled with hatred. The insane obsession caused her once
clear jade eyes to fill with a murky yellow-brown.
"The Grail… is mine… !”
The many wounds on Saber’s body could not stop her; roaring, she swung her
sword at Archer.
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>>115327202
That's the last straw rinfags always try to pull, it just means you have already lost the argument
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>>115330866
And it wasn't even true. The lust worms eats the placenta, you know the thing the uterus always replaces.
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>>115330991
Zouken never used Lustworms on Sakura or Kariya.
He used Crest Worms.
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>>115329526

The funny thing is this was Sakura after Zouken and Shinji totally ran hee patience out. Shirou even says they've dug their own graves during the scene when Shinji tries to make excuses. They insult her cooking, while Shinji admits her cooking is better than some than restaurant quality, Zouken doesn't give a flip about actually teaching her anything and calls her slow to learn when he is the one who messed up her body, and Shinji does stupid shit like "accidentally" pouring soy sauce on her new dresses.

You can see why she eventually gets fed up with it. The two of them are slobs.
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>>115329830
No she doesn't.
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>>115331240
>taking a fandisc serious
Some interactions were hillarious though
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>>115331400

Nah, I'm just saying those two are slobs, I know the scene was made to be humorous. They made jabs at the harem genre and 4th wall punches throughout the entire thing.

Though some people do use it to say that Sakura is crazy or something, which is sad.
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAK-DEkHeQI
>berserk charge speed
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>>115331629
>Kotomine walking in circles
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>>115328740
Keep telling yourself that, Rinfag.
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>>115331968
Are you so desperate that you have to take idiots as the standard for a position that's opposed to you?
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>>115332068
Try reading this thread, then tell me they're not the standard for it.
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Wait a sec...
Is this (C82) [Ikujinashi no Fetishist] Oroka na Hito (Fate/Zero) all true ?
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>>115325835
>she straight-up says she's always hated it
Oh God, you're hilariously naive. Do you honestly expect a girl to say "Yeah, wow, that was the best fuck of my life, awesome"? That would actually cause the slut-o-meter to explode.
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>>115332167
Do you want me to take the "Scold me" faggot as standard for Sakurafags?
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>>115332266
No.
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>>115331968

You make your case worse when you generalize about other people. A lot of Rin fans I know are good people. Saying that as a Sakura fan.

The other guy might have been dumb for saying the anime was more canon, but you didn't really help things.
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Did Shinji rape Mitsuzuri?
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>>115332266

The part with the worms for sure.
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>>115332331
No, because he obviously isn't. There's a clear correlation between hating Sakura and being a secondary with a /b/-tier mentality, though.
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>>115332323

No, she actually said her life was pretty shit straight up and she would have died if she couldn't endure the experiments, so the other person was in fact telling the honest truth there.
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>>115332416
I don't know anymore but I think I got baited
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>>115332416
>my opinion a best
>your opinion is shit
That is your post
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Why didn't the Spanish Inquisition just go for the Holy Grail?
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>>115332416
>There's a clear correlation between not being able to handle opinions and being a secondary with a /b/-tier mentality, though.
ftfy
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>>115332627
The Holy Grail didn't choose them because it didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
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I have Fate Zero downloaded but I haven't still watched it. What episodes am I supposed to find rape or similar scenes in? I feel like fapping to it.
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>>115332684

You magnificent son of a bitch.
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>>115332654
Yes, Sakura haters tend to not be able to handle that lots of people like Sakura.
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>>115332905
>le shitpost
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>>115332905
You realy aren't helping your position
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>>115326948
I read the VN but don't ever recall seeing the CG on the right, what type of worm is it?
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>>115333295
Realta Nua Lustworms
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>>115332766
You'd be dissapointed. Try the 3rd Kara no Kyoukai movie instead.
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>>115326873
>>115332960
>le
Good job proving him right.

>>115333083
It's pretty clear that the Sakura haters are the one in a bad position, though.
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>>115334005
>It's pretty clear that the Sakura haters are the one in a bad position,
I think it's rather childish to say that everyone who dislikes my waifu is from /b/ and a secondary
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>>115326779
I have a sweet spot for underdogs and girls who were abused.
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>>115334077
When a huge amount of her vocal haters completely misinterpret the VN, often haven't even read it, and can't even spell properly, it's more than just a coincidence.
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>>115334303
I think you're just projecting at this point.
Also I'm interested in which scenes of the VN get completly misinterpreted.
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>>115334497
Pretty much everything involving the shadow? Just look at all the people who call her a mass murderer even though she only killed Shinji and Zouken.
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>>115334303
Not all Sakura haters are Rinfags you autistic shit.
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>>115334497

He isn't right to say that people who dislike her are all wrong in what they say and are just trolling, but the correct thing is that often, because of that dislike, they bring forth wrong information.

The ones not trolling usually misinterpret the Shadow and Sakura's involvement, given that the route is supposed to show a darker side of Sakura, the analysis is usually slanted to make much of what happens worse, or make her out to be a total monster. When in fact, the route was showing how she was effected by supernatural methods while dealing with the bitterness and stress of her situation and a lifetime of abuse.

The fact that none of her more positive traits, and are in fact ignored (her enduring and wanting the best for Shirou) and it ends up cherry picking negative parts of scenes without showing the full context. Some of it is trolling, but I feel some tend to bandwagon a few things.

Scenes specifically misconstrued would be most of the nightmare scenes, the last battle with Rin, a lot of the scenes that specifically tell you what the familiars inside her body do, as well as many parts of internal monologue taken out of context to try to prove a point erroneously.

I've met people who can dislike her and still provide intelligent discourse, but those kind of get lost in these threads. I usually either agree with their points and we come to a compromise, or we disagree and move on. That is pretty rare to find people like that.
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>>115334953
>that reading comprehension
Congratulations, you just proved his point.
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>>115335222
You can't blame them Nasu failed at emphasizing her good points and they get overshadowed by her bad.
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>>115330773
I think it is.
I never realized that she was actually in F/HA
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>>115335579
Actually that was meant for>>115331968
But then I figured it was probably the same guy.
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>>115335600
Actually, you can and should blame them for failing to notice her good points while overexaggerating and even outright making up her bad points.
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>>115335825
But the problem is those on the Sakura-supporting side do the exact same thing and exaggerate her good points while trying to downplay the bad. I think in the end the good and bad come out pretty evenly, but one side or the other always gets blown out of proportion (see: this whole thread).
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>>115331597
No matter how you spin it, dick worms just look silly
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>>115335825
That's just going to bring headaches it's /a/ after all. I used to not like her but there's this really hardcore Sakura lover around this parts that changed my mind, it's always fun seeing him battle it out with the haters.
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>>115336073
This is also right the two sides are just too extreme.
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>>115336073
>But the problem is those on the Sakura-supporting side do the exact same thing and exaggerate her good points while trying to downplay the bad.

I don't know about that. Most of the people I've seen posting on /a/ about liking Sakura tend to emphasize that she's flawed and has as many bad points as she does good. They don't really exaggerate or downplay much at all.
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>>115335222
>enduring and wanting the best for Shirou

That's why she ripped his hand and got wet from it.
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>>115336391
Literally right after that:

>and it ends up cherry picking negative parts of scenes without showing the full context. Some of it is trolling, but I feel some tend to bandwagon a few things.

That's exactly what you just did.
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Is Sakura lifespan greatly shortened by the worm ?
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>>115336073

No, I know I don't at least. I acknowledge her flaws, like being passive-aggressive, and having an immense amount of anger and stress that she tends only to show passive aggressively. But I also acknowledge her strengths, such as trying her best to manage that stress and is a very empathetic individual. In addition to being very hard working and perservering.

Here, I'll give an example. Most say she is boring, but I and many others have shown her being quite sassy and fun, even outside her route. Or the argument that she does nothing in her route, when she saves Shirou and the gang two times at great risk to herself, despite her handicaps.

Or that she knows nothing about magrcraft, when she has a long conversation with Shirou about her feelings on magecraft and her role in life in quite the mature fashion.

You see where I am going with this? Compared to the massive amount of fan biting you see from other people about other characters, I told you about the good and the bad. I rarely see people talk about the flaws of their favorite characters. And no, not something like Rin's ineptitude with machines, a real character flaw.
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>>115336391

Actually, the scene was supposed to show her flaw of thinking it would be better for him to be incapacitated than fighting in the war. She did throw up from seeing the scene. It was her balancing those feelings of wanting him safe with the hope of being freed. They even talk about it.

Also, she didn't melt his arm off, the Shadow exploded, and his arm got caught in the blast.
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>>115336379
>No other heroine can be as strong as her internally
>Saying Senpai for life is apparently a good thing
>She takes the lead as Captain in HA
>She apparently has the personality to go on adventures
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>>115337174
I felt kinda sad seeing how she straight up tells Shirou that she has no social life or friends besides him.
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>>115337174
>She apparently has the personality to go on adventures
Where does this even come from?
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>>115337357
Don't know but those are the points Sakurabros tend to exaggerate and I have seen in a couple of threads.
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>>115337174
>No other heroine can be as strong as her internally
People do say she's stronger, and I think in a way she probably is, but I've never seen anyone say the other girls literally can't ever be as strong as her.
>Saying Senpai for life is apparently a good thing
That's a matter of taste and has nothing to do with exaggeration.
>She takes the lead as Captain in HA
It's true and in no way an exaggeration. Play F/HA.
>She apparently has the personality to go on adventures
I'll give you this one, she doesn't really give much indication of that. In fact, answering Shirou's question about what she wanted to do after the war was over with just a desire to go see the cherry blossoms kind of implies the opposite. That said, I don't really think this is a flaw or a virtue in any sort of objective sense.
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>>115337315
It's sad because little details like that affect me more than wormrape maybe because it hits close to home.
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>>115337480
That's probably because wormrape is so much suffering it's funny again.
It's also why I realy felt sick for Kohaku in Tsukihime.
It's "closer to reality".
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>>115337468
>It's true and in no way an exaggeration. Play F/HA.
I agree with your points but not this one. I played F/HA and she needed help from Mitsuzuri, Shirou, and Rin she is in a lead position that is amazing especially for someone like her, but people tend to forget that she is there thanks to the people backing her up and supplying her with ideas.
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>>115337174

No one said no one else can be as strong as her, but inner strength was a facet for her. If you said someone was as strong inside as her, I wouldn't feel the need to argue.

There are japanese people who call their seniors senpai out of endearment through middle age, it's normal.

Yes, she is captain of a club and has a hobby, what about it? That shows she has interests and goals outside of magecraft as a healthy high school student.

As for the adventures, who says she won't go out to see the world? Not to say she is going to be slaying Dead Apostles or something, but from what Rin said in HF True, she is expanding her horizons in the magic world even as she tries to live a peaceful life with Shirou.
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>>115337666
>There are japanese people who call their seniors senpai out of endearment through middle age, it's normal.
Another anon but she could imitate a pokemon
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>>115336717
>The only driving force in her brain is hunger
>It's as if she's driven by a fever
tl;dr: Angra Mainyu's the one responsible, as usual.
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>>115337557
Pretty much, I think Nasu could have lowered the suffering meter and given her more relatable traits and it would have been good.
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>>115337633
I don't see how that makes it untrue. Even the best leaders need a lot of help from others. The mark of a good leader is in part the willingness to accept that help and acknowledge you can't do everything yourself.
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>>115326260
And with that discussion is over.
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>>115337767
Well yes, but she was having trouble in the beginning because she was unrelatable. It was until the training camp that she finally was able to connect with her club, I think most anons fail to mention that.
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>>115337722
>Blaming everything on Angry Manjew
Sakurafags deflecting blame once again.
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>>115337722
I always find it incredibly ironic when the angry manjew gets blamed for everything.
poor avenger
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>>115337960
And she does manage to connect because she puts forth the effort and does her best to be a good leader. Again, I'm not really seeing how this contradicts that point. Saying that she takes the lead as the captain of the archery club is not the same as saying she was a perfect leader from the moment she took the position. She still has to feel her way for a while and figure out what exactly she needs to do and how she needs to do it to achieve the best results. But that's exactly what makes the statement accurate. She could have just sat back and not put in much effort or really tried to connect to her teammates, but she doesn't because she cares about the club and she wants it to succeed. I think that's pretty admirable of her.
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>>115337557

Not really when you remember that it's still demon people adopting children to sexually abuse so their blood doesn't overtake them. Which they admit doesn't help, so it's sexual abuse for no good reason.

That is just honest character bias in saying which one is more rooted in reality. The thing you did for Kohaku is the same way you should see it for Sakura. Sakura was a magical experiment, so of course she wasn't going to have a happy life. People act like being an experiment meant some amount of decency when the point was that it was inhumane, and was treated as if it was inhumane. Sure, having the familiars shaped like a penis was silly, but honestly, can overlooked when you see they are pretty terrifying things.

Your mileage may vary, but really, dismissing the experimentation parts isn't good.
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>>115338153
Child abuse is nearer to reality than wormrape
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>>115338208
It's child abuse in either case.
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>>115338153
Are you just arguing that extreme Child abuse isn't closer to reality than wormrape?
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>>115337666
>As for the adventures, who says she won't go out to see the world?
Because it's kinda established with her character that she likes being a housewife nothing wrong with that though.Even in F/HA you can see how attached she is to the Emiya residence.
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>>115338273
What is this dumb war of "my suffering is more real than yours"?
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>>115337980
It's the truth, after all.
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>>115337722
What Angry Manjew went through was much, much, much worse than Sakura ever had to deal with. Sakurafags blaming him again, as per usual.
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>>115338399
It's objectively true that she's innocent and he's responsible, though.
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>>115337960

No one was trying to make her seem perfect, but give her the credit of improving and taking the position seriously.

That is part of the point. In these conversations, she is given little to no benefit of the doubt. After the camp, she comes out of it with people respecting her and she takes the job extremely seriously, even passing up a scheduled day out with Shirou to help a junior with a trifling matter that she could have palmer off to other members.
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>>115338509
>No one was trying to make her seem perfect,
Now that is something I highly doubt
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>>115338153
Demon people aren't real but adopting children and molesting them is a thing that actually does happen.
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>>115338399
Angra as a curse inside the Grail has no will. Nobody is blaming him for what other people wished him to be.
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>>115338502
>Sakura
>Innocent
>killed Shinji
>killed Zouken
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>>115338572
You could say the same about Sakura, though. Just take out all the magic shit and it's her getting adopted and then abused and molested.
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>>115338150
I agree that she is admirable for it. But that isn't the discussion, what I am discussing is what I usually saw in threads that felt exaggerated and what Sakurabros missed at least from my perspective.
>>115338509
I give her credit but I would also like to give credit to Mitsuzuri, Shirou, and Rin for setting it up for her and let's not forget the Ryuudou temple.
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>>115338640
By insects
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>>115337722
>>115337980
>>115338395
Well here's the related characters' explanation.
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Sakura's shadow

Zouken's explanation:
http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20347/

Kotomine's explanation:
http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20352/

Illya's explanation:
http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20364/

and there was clear proof that the shadow can appear like Sakura. As shown here, when Sakura finally manage to have some control over the shadow (and not just unconscious control like before).

>"……………"
>…The black shadow does nothing.
>It's not Sakura, but a shadow shaped like her.
>The real Sakura is under the Ryudou Temple.
>The thing in front of us is a virtual image.

http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20365/
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>>115338722
Shinji is only a metaphorical insect. And Kohaku was raped by a family with demon blood, which is also silly and not realistic. What's your point?
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>>115338739
>Zouken's explanation
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>>115338722
By Shinji.
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>>115338667
Well, I just don't think that simply saying she took the lead is much of an exaggeration. It's kind of silly to expect people to quality that with a bunch of shit that doesn't actually contradict it every time somebody wants to raise the point.
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>>115338791
Are you ignoring the literal wormrape?
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>>115338273

Missing the point entirely. What I am trying to say is that neither are meant to anything close to what people define as relate able circumstances, which is the thrust of your stance here. Just as we won't ever have our bodies remodeled to suit the purpose of some ritual, we also won't have some special psychic trait of soothing the blood of demons by having sex with them.

What is "real" is having a role thrust upon you just from the circumstances of your birth and the aftereffects of neglect and abuse. So like the other anon said, let's not make this a competition.
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>>115338791
Take out all the magic and kohaku was raped by an insane old guy
Sakura was thrown in a pit of bugs that crawled into her vagina
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>>115338800
He wanted Shirou to attempt to kill Sakura to make her accept her nature.

And he was telling half truth
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>>115338886
No. That's why I mentioned the demon blood thing. I was trying to say that Kohaku's situation has as much to do with silly magical bullshit as Sakura's.

>>115338962
Take out all the magic and Kohaku wasn't raped or even adopted in the first place. Same for Sakura.
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So, what's going on in this thread?
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>>115338962

But if you take out the magic, there are no bugs, just some old sadist grandfsther, and a spoiled grandson who abuses his sister for being the one chosen to fulfill a purpose.

You are being silly.
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>>115339045
Old men raping adopted children
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>>115339045
Discussing about which of the 2 child abuse victims of TypeMoon suffered more and why.

Yes, it's dumb
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>>115339007
It's not the magical bullshit. That's not the point. What that anon was trying to say was that Sakura suffered so much that it was much closer to the point where it recrosses the line and just becomes absurd.
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>>115339007
>Take out all the magic and Kohaku wasn't raped or even adopted in the first place. Same for Sakura.
Not even him but is that seriously the response you're going with here m88?
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>>115336926
You only listed one flaw: passive-aggressiveness.

However, you listed 7 positives: tries her best, empathetic, hard working, persevering, sassy, fun, mature.

You then listed two flaws that you immediately either cast aside or tried to spin away as being a good thing: boring and knows nothing about magecraft, respectively.

So, in the end, you spent one sentence on acknowledging her flaws and the rest of your post either trying to make excuses for her other flaws or listing her strengths.
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>>115338865
As long as you include Mitsuzuri it's fine, ignoring her is not cool. She worked really hard to help Sakura.
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>>115339163
>2
Are we forgetting about the people who suffered the most here?
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>>115339194
Are you really going to fault a waifufag for making excuses for his waifu?
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>>115339310
Ahh, Karna. Though he may be the Lancer with some of the worst luck, he may also be among the happiest.
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>>115339447
No, I'm not, but nonetheless he was still trying to claim that he personally was unbiased.
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>>115339310
Vlad had a hard life
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>>115339163
They are missing one but no one cares about her so it's fine.
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>>115339429
>Shiki has 1000 Yen
>Akira has 10000 Yen
Shiki literally has less money than a middle school student. Being Shiki is suffering.
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>>115339176
I don't see either of the people I replied to saying that. I see them trying to say that Kohaku's suffering was somehow more "realistic" than Sakura's. Maybe I missed a reply or two somewhere, I don't know.

I've always thought that argument was retarded, anyway. If people liked her as a character in the first place, they probably wouldn't see extreme suffering as a huge issue. As it is, Sakura just doesn't really appeal to a lot of people as a character and so they're less willing to accept anything they see as an effort on Nasu's part to make it seem like she's gone through so much pain. And that's fine, I don't care if anybody likes her or not. But the suffering is not the problem so much as her basic personality is.

>>115339196
Yes? Why not? Neither of their situations are realistic and both of them are full of suffering. That's the point. It's stupid to argue about which is "more realistic" as if it somehow makes one girl more worthy of empathy than the other. They've both gone through more shit than anyone should ever have to deal with. That's really all that matters.
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>>115338667

The problem is that she also continued on with that and we know she is the captain in HF True. It's not saying she won the gold medal, but that she did something with the help of others, but also followed through on her own, as evidenced by how she made it so the archery club grew as a team to compete competitively later, which she recants to Shirou.

It's a small thing, so I didn't realize people saw it as if Sakura fans were bragging, but just talking about things we like about our character like anyone else does.

In the past we couldn't say Sakura had potential in magecraft before you'd get "nah bro she is shit, and her magic is only effective against spirits" before the "only useful against spirits" was made fanon when someone found a short story by Nasu about a guy who had imaginary numbers in the clock tower. Made discussions terrible.
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>>115329372
>Let's all list the reasons that make Akiha better than Rin!
you know her route was the absolute worst one right? the only thing she was good for was kinky 4 way bondage sex with the 2 maids

other then that she was a disaster. Ceil and the two maids routes were much better
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>>115339601
Who has bigger daddy issues? Archer or Caren?
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>>115339627
Actually, he has quite a bit of cash stashed away. He's been meticulously saving what little money he's accumulated ever since grade school. It's nothing amazing, but it's still a surprisingly large sum of money for someone without a job or any other steady source of income.
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If they made an anime based on White Wold World of Darkness tabletop rpgs, you think people will think they are Nasuverse ripoffs?
Vampire
Werewolf
Mage
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>>115339660
>It's a small thing, so I didn't realize people saw it as if Sakura fans were bragging
>it's a small thing
No it isn't, it completely makes her character that much more appealing. I would have never expected her to do that from what I saw in FSN.
>>115339749
Archer he took his promise to a whole different level.
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>>115339681
>you know her route was the absolute worst one righ
Not an Akihafag but some scenes were nice.
It also gave us the best badend
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>>115339681
>her route was the absolute worst one right
Not that guy but it had the best BTFO scenes in the entire VN.
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>>115339194

I meant that I would list the good and bad, not give you every last bit I could talk about the character. But I'll provide that for you, here:

Flaws - passive-aggressive, lack of self-esteem, somewhat lazy in things not of interest to her

Strengths - dogged perserverance, empathy for others, a good sense of humor

Those are some if I had to list both equally. And I didn't brush off the flaw, I counterpointed about the "boring" but that is subjective anyway.

The magecraft point however I did not mean to say was a flaw, but incorrect on the con - side of arguments and I explained why.
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>>115339310
>Liz that low
She had a hard life too
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>>115340161
I think that one only counts in-story suffering
>>115340123
>good sense of humor
To be honest I don't remember a scene in F/SN that would show that.
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>>115339642
It's not that it's more realistic per se, just less silly.
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>>115339681
>akiha's route
>worse than arc's
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>>115339681
>liking Near Side better than Akiha's route
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Whatever, the worst route is Ciel's anyway. Half of it is a copy-paste of Arcueid's Route and the rest is just Arcueid's Route Redux, guest starring Ciel.

And they call Yumiduka sad.
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Suffering?
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>>115340713
Ciel's route is better than Arc's though
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>>115340764
It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It seems as though Shiki's more interested in Arcueid in Ciel's route than he is in Arcueid's very own route.
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So maybe this isn't funny to anyone else but it's funny to me. Just out of curiosity I looked up F/SN seiyuu to see their dubbing work over western stuff. These are some of the ones that stood out to me.

Shirou
-Hey Arnold: Stinky Peterson
Kamiyan
-Blue’s Clues: Steve
Caster
-Friends: Phoebe
Kotomine
-Gene Simmons’ Rock School: Gene Simmons
-Sex and the City: Mr. Big
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>>115340759
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again I ask why Fate is the most popular of Nasu's work when it's has the worst writing and characters. His other works leagues better in character and writing department. Fate is just an edgier shounen show. The only time I liked Fate is when it wasn't written by Nasu (Fate/Zero)
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>>115341079
its true though.. Fate relies on "cool factor" then story like his other works
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>>115341002
That seems like a weird complaint to me. If you don't like FSN's edginess, FZ should be even worse to you.
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I just started watching carnival phantasm for the first time, jesus christs me sides, jesus christ, playing "blackbeard" with the gate of babylon.
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>>115340764
But Ciel Good is the worst ending..
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>>115341002
I wouldn't say it's the worst.

In regards to its popularity, that's only natural. Fate is the most "mainstream" of Nasu's works. It has a quality that appeals to a wider audience than Tsukihime or Kara no Kyoukai. That's all. It's the same reasons Jump is the most popular comic magazine in Japan; it's just the most accessible, the one that the greatest quantity of people can enjoy.

It's a bit of an extreme example, but Fate is basically the "casual" title of TYPE-MOON. In contrast, Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai are more along the lines of "core" titles. For instance, compare the relationship between main line Megami Tensei games and Persona. Persona is the more mainstream, more accessible, thus it's more popular. But Megami Tensei will always be the "main" line.
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>>115341144
F/Z actually has interesting characters though
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>>115341226
So does stay night
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>>115325182
Wasn't it because she was pretty much mindbroken at that point? I'm pretty sure she wasn't even aware of who he was.
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>>115328689
Is that right? Are there any other massive changes from VN to the anime? I mean zero seems pretty straightfoward most of the time, so i figure that aside from some changes here and there, they didn't change much.

So again on Sakura, was the chained up ALL the time during the war?
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>>115329372

But Akiha doesn't swing both ways.
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>>115340994
>you will never see Sacchan having extremely lewd and hardcore sex with Shiki
Why live?
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>>115341226
Sure, but that has less to do with the writer, than the story format. Nasu wasn't entirely removed from the development of FZ. If he hadn't been going for romantic story, I think something like FZ would have emerged in the first place.
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>>115340315
There are lots of examples of it, like the "your magecraft is a really bad failing score" part in HF(the same part the two fangirl on Rin), how she teased Shirou when he got all irritated about her wanting to soak up his skills and beat him in cooking as the reason she comes by all the time. Then there was the one in the Fate route where Shirou gets all flustered at the insinuation of Taiga thinking they have a romantic thing going on and she cattily says, "yeah, that would be a real problem wouldn't it" in this cutely sarcastic voice. Shitaya really does the very subtle edges to her voice well.

The girl is a sassy one, she just doesn't flaunt it all over the place.
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>>115341002

I wish he'll rewrite Angel Notes someday. It's my favorite by far.
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>>115341226
Shirou is more interesting than Kerry
Rin is more interesting than Tokiomi
Sakura is more interesting than Kariya
Shinji is less interesting than Waver
SN Kotomine is more interesting than Zero Kotomine
Ilya is more interesting than Iri
Souichirou is more interesting than Ryunosuke
Archer is more interesting than Zero Gil, who was more interesting than SN Gil
Cu Chulainn is more interesting that Diarmuid by an especially large margin
Medusa is more interesting than Iskander, but thjis one is close.
Medea is more interesting than Gilles
Berserkules is more interesting than Lancelot
Fake Assassin is more interesting than Hundred Assassins. TA also had a cool NP.
Who am I forgetting?
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>>115341572
Nasu's fundamentally more idealistic than Urobuchi is. So his stories are ultimately gonna be more positive.
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>>115325182
Rule 1 of /a/: If something somehow could be interpreted as rape, it´s hardcore rape, and if some guy was around 5 miles that wasn´t the mc or her boyfriend it was ntr.

Rule 2 of /a/: If the raped girl has not killed herself or is mindbroken she enjoyed it and is a dirty whore.

Rule 3 of /a/: If a girl is in a room with some guy that we don´t know and it is not shown what happens in that room it´s hardcore rape or ntr.

Rule 4: If a girl get´s rescued shortly before getting raped she got raped anyway beforehand, they just didn´t want to show it.
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How was Enkidu (the chain) forged??
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>>115341755
Zouken and Issei at the top of my head.
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>>115341755
>Medusa is more interesting than Iskander, but this one is close.
I agree with everything besides this one. I wonder if it's a thing to hate on what's currently airing.
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>>115341755
>SN Kotomine is more interesting than Zero Kotomine
He only gets a character in HF.
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>>115341002
the waifu game ridiculous
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>>115341841
>How was Enkidu (the chain) forged??
It wasn't, the chain is Enkidu he can transform into any weapon.
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>>115325835
It's canon that she enjoyed it, that's why it changes her soul.
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>>115341850
I ignored Zouken for the same reason I ignored Saber. I don't really have anyone left from Zero to compare Issei to except for Fast Wheels or something. I guess I can compare Taiga to Maiya. Taiga was more interesting.
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>>115341755
>Medusa is more interesting than Iskander, but thjis one is close.
>Berserkules is more interesting than Lancelot
I disagree with those 2.
I don't even know how you can think that Medusa was more interesting than Iskander
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>>115341918
Enkidu is dead.
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>>115341755
>Berserkules is more interesting than Lancelot

Now I like Herakles much more than Lancelot, but that's just not true. He adds nothing to the story except "nigh-invincible threat". Lancelot adds a relationship to Artoria and nemesis.
It's really too sad Herakles was wasted on berserker.
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>>115341881
Different anon, but personally, I think Medusa is more "interesting" than Iskander, but Iskander is ultimately more entertaining.

Iskander is extremely straightforward. His development is minimal, and there's nothing to reveal about him. He's an entertaining character, but that has its limits. He's simply too straightforward and simple.
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>>115341807
It's spot on, but at the same time pointing it out will just fuel what you just said in future threads.
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>>115341956
It's probably a chain made with his clay or whatever. Still part of him no?
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>>115341997
A chain... made out of clay?
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>>115341971
The duty of Herakles was to be an absolute wall.

But even as a Berserker, at the very least, he was less pathetic in his final moments than Lancelot was.
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>>115342031
Enkidu was made out of clay.
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>>115341971
And Medusa has absolutely no character outside of HA.
Berserker is more developed than her
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>>115342037
Lancelot died pretty badass tho
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>>115342041
He was made out of a hooker.
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>>115342037
>But even as a Berserker, at the very least, he was less pathetic in his final moments than Lancelot was.
You should read the LN.
The only reason SAIBAH was able to kill him was because Kariya's worms died
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>>115341971
>but Iskander is ultimately more entertaining.
Yes but Medusa never even tries to ignite interest until HF and even then she is really straight forward.
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>>115341980
I don´t give a shit, i just like pointing out how retarded /a/ is, most people that are here longer than a few months believe every shit they read
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>>115342037
Lancelot pushed in Saber's shit.
Herakles loses in all 3 roots despite having a limitless supply of mana.
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>>115342031
Ancient myths were full of stuff like that. The makers of an object is ultimately more important than the material used.
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>>115342084
He fucked a hooker not made from one.
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>>115342124
Hercules also pushes saber's shit in
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I don't see how anyone can rate Sakura over Rin after F/HA, unless they're mindless white knights.

>Pool scene, she is chill as fuck
>Call from the future scene, she is loyal and dere as fuck, "I will, more than anyone else, bring him happiness."
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>>115342072
>>115342086
The difference between Berserker and Lancelot is that he possessed dignity.

A pitiful fallen knight who blames his king for not punishing him for the sins that he, himself, had committed, is simply all too pathetic and pitiful.
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>Berserkers first errand!
My fucking sides.
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>>115342139
He's literally made out of her beauty.
In the Nasuverse. Not the real myth.
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If ionian hetairoi trancends space and time does it mean Waver is in it as well?
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>>115341881
>>115341939
This one was a tough decision.
>>115341895
And that character is much, much better than he was in Zero.
>>115341961
Kariya and Lancelot had no chemistry whatsoever. Ilya and Berserkules is a different story.

While I'm at it, the fist fight was better than the Batcave.
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>>115342155
She killed him.
She stabbed Lancelot in the anime, but she's not the reason he died.
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>>115342167
Now please imagine what Urobutcher would have done to Heracles
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>>115342162

Not to mention their Eclipse scene.
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>>115342176
I am pretty sure he is made out of clay in the Nasuverse.
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>>115342167
Hercules killed his own wife and children.
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>>115341755
Yes
EASILY
Tied
False
Absolutely correct
Absolutely correct, Iri was very boring, even if best waifu
Absolutely correct
Absofuckinglutely correct
Nope
Tied
By far
Nope
Not really a high bar, all Assassins suck.

CONCLUSION: F/SN and F/Z both have great characters.
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>>115341939
Medusa has more potential when you get to know the real connection between her backstory and why she became loyal to her master, which is revealed in a freakout she has in Hollow. She literaly changed her nature as a Spirit on the side of the planet because she empathized with a human and swore loyalty to her. It's kind of beautiful and I really wish Nasu had put it in HF. It would have made her loyalty make more sense, and give better perspective to her character as the only totally non-human Servant..
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>>115342162
I wouldn't rate her higher than Rin, but that's personal taste. Sakura is pretty high up there after F/HA though.
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>>115328032
something about a girl biting you during sex is a huge turn on for some reason.
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>>115342198
>And that character is much, much better than he was in Zero.
IDK his arc in Zero is much much more developed. He has substantial growth in Zero.
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>>115342213

If you want to be like that, then Shirou's the reason Herc died.
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>>115342213
She killed him with help and she died in the bad ends.
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>>115342236
He was an animated life clay that wasn't a person or a human.
He didn't become Enkidu until he absorbed the hooker's essence.
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>>115342281
>all Assassins suck
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>>115342330
Lancelot was already starting to disappear because his mana supply died
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>>115342330
Yes.
So you agree with me?
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>>115342251
Due to madness inflicted upon him by Hera.

Though the incident was no fault of his own, he still sought repentance. He did not demand that others punish him, nor did he resent others for failing to do so. He achieved the repentance he sought with his own hands.

That is the fundamental difference between himself and Lancelot. Lancelot, unlike his Fifth War counterpart, was a difficult and fickle man who, rather than take responsibility for his crimes, demanded that others take the responsibility for him and punish him despite having no obligation to do so. He was a selfish and self-centered man to the very end.
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>>115342372
Ah I see.
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>>115342443
>no fault of his own
>he did it
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>>115342377
Jackie destroys Li Shuwen anytime, anywhere.

Anon pls.
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>>115342162
Because we aren't sheep who can make our own decisions.

Rin is pretty sweet though and I like both, so I won't fall for your bait.
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>>115342443
>He did not demand that others punish him
Because he had a king that was going to anyway!
Do you really not know the story about the 12 labors?
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>>115342482
The gods literally made him do it. Hera took his sanity and directed events in that direction. If anyone's at fault here, it's entirely her.
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>>115342493
Can I summon Jackie in EXTRA?
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>>115342493
In terms of being interesting? I don't think so.
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>>115342530
>Hera took his sanity
Actually, she literally sent Madness (capital M, the god of madness) to go fuck with him.
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>>115342565
Only if you don't want no trabble.
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>>115342565
Sure, why not, she might be even more broken in EXTRA thanks to all the shit that makes Hans able to do what he does in CCC.
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anyone hoping for a Waver cameo in the end of UBW?
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I played fsn and I played tsukihime. I just didn't enjoy fsn at all, didn't care about all the paths. I still like tsukihime more.
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>>115342612
>grail randomly selects a person as the seventh master
>his master is a baby
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>>115342281
Well yeah, a character doesn't automatically suck just because they're not quite as good as another one. I'm not saying Zero characters are bad, I'm just saying Stay Night characters are better.
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>>115342612
>no Jackie Chan servant in Fate
Why even live?
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>>115342594
Li Shuwen is just your average martial arts guy who goes crazy one time.

Jackie is a loli yan who wants to feel the warmth of her mother's womb.

You can keep trying.
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>>115342635
It's basically guaranteed.
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>>115342500
>Because we aren't sheep who can make our own decisions.

But objectively speaking, she wins out. It's not about being a sheep or forming your own opinion, it's recognizing fact. I don't see how anyone could go for the younger sister after reading everything Fate.
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>>115342659
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>>115342723
>his Noble Phantasm is the 12 talismans
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>>115342685
Li Shuwen is a likable character with a neat gimmick who I would love to see more of in the franchise.

Loli Jack is a stupid concept and utterly fails to engage me as a character.

I don't have to try.
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>>115342698

You cannot be objective when the writers themselves aren't. No-one wins out, no-one ever will win out. You yourself can choose who you want to win out, but that won;t make it any more correct or incorrect.
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>>115342698
>objectively
I agree with you but stop using that word.
Shirou x Rin is easily the best couple
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>>115342698
Tsundere characters are annoying.
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are Shirou and Rin in a LDR in the end of UBW?
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>>115342764
You're talking about a franchise where literally every character has a "neat gimmick" who does some kind of combat. In terms of use, you can basically call his NP as a suped up version of Prana Burst... which at least 3 other characters in the franchise have.

Jack's "gimmick" takes advantage of a serial murder case and then gives its own take on it in a bit of an unexpected way.

You say Jack doesn't engage you; I'm not meaning to sound condescending, but have you read Apocrypha?
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>>115342898

Pretty much.

It's rather funny, Rin wins out in two routes (if you assume that something happens between her and Shirou after Fate). Sakura only gets the one. Even the writers seem to shit on Sakura.
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>>115342957
Rin is murdered by Kotomine in Fate.
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Could you summon Saint George as a Servant?
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>>115342909
>anyone who disagrees with me must not actually be familiar with the material

I've read what's translated, at least, and I just don't care for her. Your shitty opinion is not some sort of universal law.
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>>115341755

I feel like Souichirou and Caster really only became interesting with F/HA, unless there's more of them in the original VN than I recall - I haven't read through it in a real long time.

Which isn't to say that Ryunosuke and Gilles are interesting by any means, but at least they felt pretty significant in comparison to Caster basically existing in the original VN to let Archer antagonise Shirou.

Other than that, I'd just say that the Lancers and Riders are tied.

I'm not even sure if it's fair to compare Archer and Zero Gil, though. SN Gil is definitely worst Gil, however.
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was waver in ionian hetairoi?
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>>115342984
He was the Saber in the first grail war, yes.
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>>115342983
This is horrible bait. Try harder next time.
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>>115343025
Oh, shit. I didn't know that.
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>>115342983

She really should have died from that, that picture was nasty.
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>>115342991
I wasn't saying my opinion was law, I was just genuinely curious.

What was it that you found disengaging about her? She certainly doesn't have as much screentime or focus as the main conflict.
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>>115343018
Yes.
Probably. He is explicitly referred to as one of Iskandar's closest subjects in the LN, and Ufo chose to include a character inside IH that just happened to look exactly like old Waver. IH also exists outside time, so.

>>115343033
???
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>>115343025
>>115343039

He was also a Rider in the original Fate/Apocrypha concept, although he got scrapped in favour of Achilles when they turned the idea into a Light Novel.
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I hope Waver changes Mage Society for the better. A bunch of elitist who believe in power levels. I like characters who keep on proving the Mage Association wrong
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>>115342526

The king was a douchebag who essentially stole Herc's throne after Herc gave up his right to rule the nation out of grief. No mortals had the power to punish Heracles. The only reason Heracles did not simply ignore the ridiculous punishment the king imposed on him is because he wanted to truly atone for his sins, which are not even his sins, and the greater the impossibility of his tasks, the better.

Heracles' children went on to murder the shit out of that king because he was a jealous prick who wanted to kill them all because he hated that Heracles was simply a better man, and a more qualified ruler, than he could ever be.
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>>115342957
They do

I don't have the image, but they actually rated the 3 heroines. Sakura was overall the least favorite, and I think it was Nasu that gave her a 6/10. Him or Urobuchi.
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>>115342997
Caster is a bit of a adorkable weirdo at times.
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>>115343102
>???
Go re-read Fate if you are confused.
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>>115343117
>who believe in power levels
And if you lived in the Nasuverse, you would be completely justified believing in them.
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>>115343139

Best Waifu.
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>>115342898
What?
Shirou goes with her to the Clocktower
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>>115343139

Oh, make no mistake. I love Medea. But if it's -just- Zero material vs. Stay Night material, she felt pretty insignificant and underdeveloped by my recollection.
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>>115343107
He looks fucking badass.
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>>115343192
That doesn't make it a Legally Defined Relationship. (Marriage)
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Why is Gil a lot less of a dick in F/Z
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>>115342997
>the Lancers are tied
Just no
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>>115343236
>tfw no grail mud
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>>115343236

He spent ten years associating with the dregs of Japanese society between F/Z and F/SN. It rubbed off on him and so he became a complete chav.
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>>115343040
Magic crests are kinda supposed to keep magi alive through things like that
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>>115343080
Just her basic concept annoys me. You call it an unexpected take on a well-known serial murder case, but I have a hard time seeing it as anything other than an excuse to shove a loli where it really has no business belonging. I guess that probably seems like a silly complaint in a franchise where King Arther is a cute girl, but something about Jack just pushes it too far for me. What little personality she's shown doesn't really appeal to me either.
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>>115343202
She, Kuzuki, and Rider didn't get much in F/SN, but F/HA was great for them.
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>>115343252

But Diarmuid didn't kill his Waifu.
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>>115343228
Google came up with Long Distant Relationship
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>>115343155
She gives him the old
>You go on without me, I-I'll be fin ;_;
line. Major, major death flag.
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>>115343236

Greater exposure to modern humanity (which tends to make him ornery),he was also a bit younger than he was in Fate/Zero (youth potion, I think he de-aged by more than ten years).

>He is quite different between the Fourth and Fifth Holy Grail Wars due to his priorities. He simply enjoys the events of the Fourth, but the Fifth is utilized to fulfill his goals of making humankind worth governing and coercing Saber to become his bride. Kinoko Nasu describes the variation in his personality as the "prideful Boss King of Heroes" and the "not very prideful Horny King of Heroes."

Forgive me for quoting the wiki, but that quote of Nasu's is too good to not use.
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>>115342997
>The lancers are tied

Cu Chulainn > Diarmuid
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>>115343343
Kayneth absolutely died.
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>>115343353

Yeah, but did you see the end after that? Honestly much as it pains me to say it, she probably should have died from that. It would have made it more tragic and the final confrontation better.
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>>115343320
I'm not sure whether Jack the Loli or Frankenmoe is the more stupid genderbent
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>>115343202
In the main storylines she doesn't get touched on as much as she could yeah.

but could you say no to this face?
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>>115343343
Lancer only did in Bazett's dream
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>>115343384
In which fucking direction is that thing supposed to be read?
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>>115343393

But Diarmuid didn't stab her personally.
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>>115343460
left to right, retard
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>>115343460
Like a normal book, it's not that hard
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>>115343384

Cu is based as hell, and arguably more likeable.

But I still found Diarmuid's character arc equally interesting. They're both great, and rank among my favourites in either war.

Diarmuid is also best boy for Seiba
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>>115343489
>>115343517
that doesn't make any sense
why would the horizontals come first?
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>>115343561
Diarmuid would have been a horrible match for Saber.

He wouldn't have been able to save her.
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>>115343592
Learn to read
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>>115343561
You DeermudxSeibahfags are the worst. We all know Seibah's one true husbano is Takeuchi.
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>>115342072

Compared to how Heracles went out against Gil and the Shadow/Saber Alter? Not a chance.
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>>115343384
I wonder how Ufo will pull that scene.
This one is also hillarious
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>>115343678
you don't want to speak about the Caliburn asspull?
Or the NLBW asspull?
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>>115343634
You are fucking retarded.
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>>115343640
Who?
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>>115343688
if all else fails you can always feed lancer to a lion.
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>>115343139
>Tfw all of the Seiba figures in Caster's room are figures you can get IRL
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>>115343688
It may not happen.

Pray, anon. Pray that they don't end up altering the story so that Saber becomes the main heroine despite being a retelling of the Unlimited Blade Routes route. Pray and rejoice.
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>>115343732

The Caliburn asspull is an asspull, yes, same as Avalon was an asspull to beat Gil. Fate was all about asspulls.

Nine Lives Blade Works was actually a pretty awesome way to go because Heracles sensed Ilya through his mind's eye and held back despite his unstoppable insanity by drawing upon the strength of his heart which has already felt the loss of killing his loved ones during bursts of madness. He gives Shirou the precious second needed to execute NLBW and kill him.
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>>115343832
It won't, don't worry. Absolute worst case scenario we get UBW Good.
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>>115343889
Worst end of the entire VN.
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>>115343889
There's more than one ending to each route?
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>>115343889
You don't know that. Your absolute belief in unfounded. For in order for your beliefs to be substantiated, those who are working on the anime must also possess that absolute, unwavering belief.

Can you really be so sure that all people share the same beliefs as you?
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>>115343832

Rin was promoted pretty hard in PVs and the like before the series aired, I think we're safe.

Realistically, I think they -might- transplant some harmless development scenes from Fate into the anime for both Saber and Ilya.
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>>115343807
This is bait.
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>>115343949
Every route
UBW true and good
Heaven's feel true and normal
Fate true and LE
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Honestly, I think Unlimited Blade Works may be the worst route to use as the continuation of Fate/Zero.

Ilyasviel is unceremoniously killed off.
Saber's backstory isn't addressed.
Sakura and the Matou also go unaddressed.
Kotomine's death is entirely abrupt and anticlimactic.
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>>115344063

From the perspective that Shirou picks up the torch that Kerry left behind, it's pretty damn good.
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>>115344063
Stay night isn't a continuation of zero
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>>115344063
>unceremoniously
Spectacularly
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>>115344063
And noone gives a fuck about continuing Fate/Zero.
It's also the best route of the VN
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>>115344097
But in the prospect, it casually dismisses everything else.
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>>115344125

Well, that is true, but that's why there's movies for Heaven's Feel, isn't there?
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>>115343949
Read the VN.
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>>115344063
We get
>Berserker flashback on what happened with Ilya
>Shirou defending his ideals
>A bit of wormteasing in the scene "Result of Utnapishtim"
>Kotomine is a faggot and worst master
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>>115344187
Go take your medication.
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UBW good > Ciel route good
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>>115344209
>implying I haven't already taken it
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>>115344179
I don't think Heaven's Feels is the best continuation either. It cuts off anything related to Saber's backstory, it cuts down Kiritsugu's story, and it has the least "Servant VS Servant" fighting, which is the very premise under which the Fate and the Holy Grail War are built upon.

If you could somehow combined aspects from all three routes, that would be ideal. Otherwise, something is always gonna be cut away and tossed aside, like an unnecessary limb.
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>>115344217
That's not hard.
A pile of shit >Ciel good
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>>115344191
>Kotomine is a faggot and worst master

I hope you step on a Lego.
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>>115344289

Well, you know, there's an adaptation of Fate, too.
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>>115344289
>If you could somehow combined aspects from all three routes
Try the Deen adaption
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>>115344403
>>115344370
See, something that clumsy and unskillful shouldn't even count. If you're going to produce a product, it should be achieved with a satisfactory level of quality. Otherwise, there's no point in doing so in the first place.
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>>115344103
>>115344123

The anime was branded as a "sequel to Fate/Zero" by the staff. As in they wanted to produce something that felt like it continued that story. That anon is just saying that UBW seems contrary to that notion.
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>>115344289
If you want Kiritsugu's story to be finished, there's no way FSN can give it. At it's core, FSN is the story of Shirou and that's why each route is a different theme on his ideal.

It's actually the other way around, FZ is the continuation of FSN: What if Shirou did everything he could to end the HGW and became a hero?
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>>115344492
>The anime was branded as a "sequel to Fate/Zero" by the staff
No it wasn't.
They said they will adapt F/SN and not a sequel to Zero
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>>115344492
If it wasn't for Broskander and Kirei's development, I would wish F/Z didn't exist.
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>>115344531
The Unlimited Blade Works route is the best continuation of Kiritsugu's story, because it attacks the issue head-on. The Fate route only touches on the issue briefly, while the Heaven's Feel route makes it a non-issue halfway through.

On the other hand, the Fate route is the most complete resolution of Saber's story. It is also the only route where Ilya interacts with Saber to any meaningful extent. Additionally, Shirou's feud with Kotomine is somewhat more meaningful here because Shirou still holds Kiritsugu's ideals in that route, whereas he's abandoned them in Heaven's Feel. The fact that Shirou uses Azoth to kill Kotomine also ties up the Tokiomi thing nicely. It also gives Gilgamesh a more meaningful end than in the other routes.

Unlimited Blade Works, as already stated, is the most complete continuation of Kiritsugu's story.

Heaven's Feel, of course, most strongly addresses the continuation of Sakura's story, as well as issues regarding the Einzberns. Kotomine also has a very large role.

Personally, I'd rank Fate and Heaven's Feel as more relevant overall to Fate/Zero, simply going by sheer numbers.



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