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Did anyone else find watching Bakemonogatari hard? I'm talking about one second flashes of text that instantly disappear, they're impossible to read. They're pretty constant as well . I never finished this series and was thinking about giving it another chance, so does any of the shit written there actually fucking matter or not?
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>>115319854
No for #1, maybe for #2.
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>>115319854
>impossible to read
get good faggot
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>>115319854
Don't do it, it's a waste of time. I wish I would've dropped it, I sat through it and through Nise as well, desperately hoping it would get better as so many people seem to like the novels.
It's shit. An absolute waste of time with no redeeming qualities (unless you have an above-average interest in the Japanese language).
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>>115319919
I disagree completely
I found both the setting and characters satisfying.
The dialog carried the show even though the art was fantastic.
The commentary on cliches and the deconstruction of the harem genre was done so perfectly that most people have no clue why it feels so different because the relationships play out very naturally.

Overall, this show is one of the greatest I've seen.
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>>115319854
It was hard to watch because it's trite shit.

Can't say I didn't enjoy her presence, though.
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>>115319854
The important ones give you plenty of time to read them. All the others are just unnecessary flavour text that are fun to know (the one about Kaiki having only ever done shotput after he consoled Kanbaru by saying he did track and field was one on the screen for about .5s).

It's gotten to the point where I don't even try to read the ones I can't catch while watching episodes for the first time because I know I'll inevitably rewatch it and read all of them.
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>>115319854
The text flashes are part of the novel, so If you want to actually know more about what is happening it is explain there, the series are a lot of fun, also learn to read fast
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You're not really supposed to read them, you're just supposed to get a momentary glimpse at it and maybe kind of understand it.
It's mostly just lines cut from the LNs, nothing too important unless you have maximum autism and feel the need to pause it every time.
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Are people really this stupid?
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>>115320425
>Nothing too important
>The only mention of the Kaiki Stride is in those flashes
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>>115319854
>flashes of text
They appear only once per episode, and you don't even have to read them. They aren't plot related, only expand on Ararararagi's thoughts. You can read them any time later.
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>>115320453
And how is that important?
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>>115319990
This.
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No because I'm not autistic.
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>>115319990
>deconstruction of the harem genre
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>>115320490
How is that not?
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>>115319854
Exact same problem as OP. Dropped it because my autism demands that I pause for every single freezeframe and look up every kanji I don't know. Watching anime is suffering.
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>>115319854
I find the sudden flash of text and pictures very engaging. It's like abstract art that sets up the mood. What made me drop this show however is the fact that the characters kept on speaking nonsense word play.
Its not funny nor clever and yet they abuse it whever they get the chance. Never finished it, dropped at ep 5.
Will probably come back to it after 5 years
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>>115320490
I don't understand the question.
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>>115320620
I used to be like that, but in the end I figured out you could just force yourself to go through it while feeling that you're not understanding shit, which would be comparable to rape the first few times, but then you'll be able to see that it wasn't as bad as you thought.
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>>115320591
This is a series where people do magic things with magical beings on a daily basic, Kaiki being able to run fast is perfectly acceptable even if it's not explained, and the fact that he did track and field does not affect the plot whatsoever.
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>>115319854
It's one of those shows that if you only watch anime, then you will see it as a mark of quality writing. If you actually read and watch shit that isn't written by Japanese people from time to time you'll see it for what it is: a somewhat decent waifu-fest with above average writing for an anime. I personally wouldn't waste my time with it having known this.
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>>115320685
Well now you're just no fun now are you?
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>>115320715
I'm just trying to prove my point that it was not important.
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>>115320711
Did you crossboard from /tv/ or something?
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>>115320711
I watch western shit all the time and I still think Monogatari is pretty good.
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>>115320803
Well, you succeeded. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise
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>>115320827
Because I don't only watch anime, I must be from /tv/ right?
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>>115320862
I didn't say it was bad, I just don't believe the writing is as great as people make it out to be. It's good for a modern anime and that's saying very little.
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>>115320711
>>>/tv/
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>>115320909
Well, yeah, it's LN writing, what did you expect? The entire draw is the direction/animation.
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>>115320909
>It's good for a modern anime
You're one of those faggots who think modern anime is shit?

There's plenty of better ones.
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>>115320711
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>>115320988
No, I think most modern anime has shit writing.
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>>115319854
>Did anyone else find watching Bakemonogatari hard? I'm talking about one second flashes of text that instantly disappear, they're impossible to read. They're pretty constant as well . I never finished this series and was thinking about giving it another chance, so does any of the shit written there actually fucking matter or not?

in Bakemonogatari, no the text doesn't really add anything.

in the other ones... it's all text from the LN just like the first season, however the text is more often "internal monologues" which ARENT spoken in the anime itself. They can add to it, but really you lose nothing by skipping it as well.
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>>115319854
Just wait for the Kizu movie OP
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>>115321038
what do you like?
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>>115321086
I would get a job, marry, have kids, divorce and watch Haruhi season 3 before that shit.
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>>115321002

At least the MC matured at the end, litfags die believing that shit.
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>>115321127
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>>115321098
Before you even pull that card, I'm following a decent amount shows this season. Most of the takeaway I receive from anime is visual, so I'm not asking that the writing be top tier. I'm just acknowledging it for what it is.
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>>115319854
Too DEEP for you??
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>>115319854
It doesn't matter if you read them or not.
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>>115320882
>I personally wouldn't waste my time with it having known this
Why would waste your time on any anime knowing this? They're all written by Japanese people.
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>>115321239
Thats just a roundabout way of describing anime. I wasn't saying it's inherently bad because Japanese people write it. Reading comprehension is important, anon.
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>>115320621
the amusing wordplay is what makes it such a good and challanging read in japanese, and you're right, since most of the puns and wordplay doesn't translate at all into english, it's mostly lost on the audience,

This is why there will never be an official bakemonogatari english edition dub/sub even though it's the top 3 selling anime of all time.

That said many of the fansub groups did a noble job attempting to translate the wordplay in a way that an english reader would be able to at least sorta follow. So there are some very enjoyable subs out there for this show.

~ as a sidenote, i remember watching ep2 and nearly throwing up at the shit job GG was doing subbing the show. the most atrocious was when senjougahara talks about araragi being a virgin, and araragi challanges it, she then backs off and rephrases it as accusing him of being a virgin with girls he can't pay for sex with (meaning he visits prostitutes), and he then insists that is his a "complete" virgin. GG i seem to remember translated that scene in such a horrid way it was nearly incomprehensible. (i don't actually remember what they put on the screen but it wasn't even close to what was actually said)

that was the moment i knew that if i wanted to watch a good sub of that show i couldn't watch the "instant" fansubs. and had to wait patiently for a good nearly professional fansub group to do it. The problem with the first 3 eps or so of bake is most of the subs of it were trash, and you have to hunt for a good version.
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>>115321202
i just wanted to recommend stuff, is all
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>>115321380
O-oh
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>>115321363
>This is why there will never be an official bakemonogatari english edition dub/sub
It's sub only but it was licensed by Aniplex USA eons ago
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>>115321363
>it's the top 3 selling anime of all time.
What?
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>>115320882

I don't watch all that much anime, but there's no fucking point in comparing this to non-anime on an anime board.

If you start doing that then we might as well just end every post with "for a(n) anime/ movie/ whatever" on every entertainment board that isn't /lit/
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Yes, it was hard to watch because it was boring shit. main character sucked and it tried way too hard to be quirky. Also, too much text to say absolutely nothing. Dumb cinematography as well, like a shitty stop start youtube video.

4/10 won't pick up again
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>>115319854
I don't fucking know, make your own damn opinion. You have the damn play/pause button at your disposal.
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>>115321363
fuck Nisio puns
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>>115321627
lol that was lame
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>>115321333
That isn't the point, the issue is that you stated you wouldn't waste your time on the show, while also saying it has above average writing for an anime, which would then imply you don't watch really any anime because most falls under your required threshold for quality. The written by the Japanese statement was just another way of saying you're disqualifying most anime by that standard. Of course that doesn't really mean you don't watch anime, it just means you think most anime is shit and anime has a higher shit to good ratio than other forms of storytelling media.
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>>115320711
I geniunely try to watch western series and stuff but all this "everyone's a crook, slut, or corrupt asshole" bullshit is just so offputting. A large majority of all people never commit more serious cirmes than speeding or maybe beeing drunk and dissorderly, or use of excessive force in self defense.

Most of the western series just long apologies for antisocial behaviour because "he's a good person most of the time". The average cop is a serious person who wants to do good for his comunity, the average doctor is not a cheat nor is he a drugaddict, and the average manager at a major corporation or whatever did not get hired just because his fathers brother has a job at the firm but because he finished bussnies school with straight As.

Politicians are fucking frauds but that's because the people who are pulling their strings dont want to accidentaly put competent people in places of "power" where they could challenge their controll of what's actually going on.

TL;DR I cant watch western shit because of all the forced degeneracy
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SHAFT watching guide

1. Watch the episode once without pausing.
2. Watch it a second time, while pausing and reading everything.
3. Watch it again, with a deeper understanding.
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>>115321750
>lol
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It 's harem shit. Don't wast your time. Also it has worse fanbase as typemoon fanbase and shit all over on /a/
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>>115319854
you could watch it without it,but i think it does matter,not much,but it could help you understand some things better
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>>115321850
It's not so much quality in comparison to other mediums, it's more of a time thing. I watch and read so much shit across different mediums that I can't be bothered to read a dialogue heavy show with only slightly above average writing. It's a waste of time. But if you only watch anime for entertainment (or it's one of few mediums you indulge in) then there's a greater chance you'll enjoy something that could generally be seen as average.
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I just pause when they start flashing text immediately after OP. Aside from those many flashes are just inserts from the book who say the same stuff, useless but makes talking scenes more dynamic.
Talking in Bakemonogatari was interesting in general, I started watching expecting many still frames of characters faces with flapping mouth but they actually change up scenery and show something visually interesting all the time.
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The first time I watched episode 2 of bake, the one they talk a lot in the park.
I felt asleep. It felt like it is 2 hours long. The flashing are very distracting.

But then I started to like the jab from Gahara and got used to the flashing. I have watched every episode of every episode since then.
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Why were Bake and Nise better animated than the rest of the series?
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>>115322048
so you say as you spend time shit posting on an anonymous imageboard.

No really, you've contributed nothing of value to this conversation and all of your posts have boiled down to "Your favorite anime is shit, go read a book pleb".

Your literary analysis does not appear to have given you any insights worth sharing based on your posts so far, so what have they done aside from provide you entertainment?

You've also just wasted time posting on an anonymous image board, which is supposedly something you don't do.

and don't even act like this is unwarranted when you've done nothing but post about how everyone else is a pleb for not understanding "true" artistic merit

you can go ahead and reply if you feel it's necessary to waste even more time responding to a random post to save face on an anonymous image board
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>>115322742
christ, why are you guys getting so defensive
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>>115321992
hey, you know what? i think that monogatari was entertaining and a good show but i also respect your opinion for not liking it.

i dont understand at all why people care about others' opinions. let them simply be and enjoy yours with the ones who think alike. that shits even worse than religion
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>>115323693
>i also respect your opinion for not liking it
And you just lost my respect for having respect for such a poorly articulated rant



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