Let's have a genuine discussion:
Has the Touhou bubble burst in favour of Kancolle? Will the anime only boost Kancolle's popularity, or actually harm it? Should ZUN have just let an anime happen, could it still potentially happen?
Japan seems split between officially declaring Touhou dethroned, or accusing artists, musicians and otaku in general of going over to Kancolle for short term gain, though this doesn't mean they will come back to Touhou if this Kancolle "fad" ends.
They don't have to declare anything dethroned. If they could, doujin creators will flock to where the fans put their money.
Judging from the shitty CG from the trailer, Kancolle is unfortunately going to be Arpeggio 2.0. The only problem is that there won't be any real ships that can shift attention to the cool looking CG ships from the crappy shipgirl CG renders like in Arpeggio
Also, prepare for the shipfu threads. My money's on Shimakaze being the main shipfu
only parts of the battle scenes are cg, though. It won't have the horribly awkward non-battle cg like arpeggio did
Try Kongou or the heavy carriers.
Gamers already don't care about destroyers much, and if the anime has any sense, it will just further glorify the larger ships.
Not that the anime will change much among KanColle fans, it's only a little project never intended to be very popular, more like a little supplementary series for game fans.
>Kancolle is unfortunately going to be Arpeggio 2.0
Japan loved Arpeggio.
I wished Iona got a bit more lewd compared to some other ships though, but I loved them too, so it was alright.
It has yet to burst. Touhou's staying power is extremely strong because its fanbase was built up over decades. It will take just as much effort to burst that bubble, if it is even one at all. That said, if pushed the right way, Kancolle does have the potential to generate that much effort to dethrone Touhou, but that's only in the best case scenario, which is not that likely, at least not until Kadokawa lifts the ban on doujin games. More likely is the case where they continue to compete with each other, and have the occasional collaboration.
I'm still not sure whether ZUN should let a Touhou anime happen. There is concern that fans will end up getting fixated on stuff pertaining to the anime more than actual doujin fanworks like the VAs. It could potentially take a ridiculously high level of creativity, luck and/or budget to successfully pull off, none of which is seen in 99% of today's anime. If not done well, which is more likely, there could be a nasty backlash. Of course, if ZUN does back the anime the backlash could be somewhat mitigated, but I'm not sure whether it's worth it.
Finally, doujin artists that gravitate towards money, will be quite likely to have to go back to Touhou in the event that the Kancolle "fad" does end, because that's where the next best source of money is, another Kancolle-tier fad coming up notwithstanding.
>Kancolle is unfortunately going to be Arpeggio 2.0
>implying that's a bad thing
Regarding the shipfu threads, we've kept to one thread at a time for the most part, so hopefully it won't go out of hand like other popular series.
Fubuki's the MC of the anime. It's actually quite possible that they'll glorify destroyers in the anime.
Sadly neither destroyers are popular among gamers neither are lolis in anime lately.
I assume the ones like Shimakaze will get some heavy glorification, but she's not exactly loli.
I have my hopes in the Akatsuki sisters, but they might end up as the mascots.
>Sadly neither destroyers are popular among gamers
these all fit under the "popular" umbrella, more or less.
Kancolle will die out sooner or later. Kancolle doesn't have the most important thing Touhou has aka a stable self-built fanbase. Kancolle is what it is only because Kadokawa bucks pushing it hard everywhere. They've spent millions and millions making it what it is now.
Touhou? ZUN simply said lol do as you want, just remember to credit me and I'll be happy.
Kancolle's fanbase isn't self built, but you can't accuse it of being instable.
More popular among fanartists/secondaries than gamers.
>Sadly neither destroyers are popular among gamers
I assume the anime will cater more to secondaries than the gamers.
>neither are lolis in anime lately.
That can't be helped, I guess.
>I assume the ones like Shimakaze will get some heavy glorification, but she's not exactly loli.
Borderline, and that's already problematic enough.
>I have my hopes in the Akatsuki sisters, but they might end up as the mascots.
Considering things as it is, it's hard to see what will happen. Most likely we'll have to wait to find out.
To be fair getting a fanbase like Touhou's is way harder now than it was 20 years ago, because there are that many more distractions. So Kadokawa has to improvise.
>we've kept to one thread at a time for the most part
Yea but that's with the people who are willing to follow the manga series that are currently running (Spammers as well) . Who knows what kind of idiots we'll get participating in the threads when the anime airs.
Probably a lot of the "Kancolle is only good for X character", people who think the characters love each other because they looked at each other for 2 seconds in one episode, annoying abyssonlyfags, etc. Maybe I'm just being paranoid though.
I don't think Touhou will die yet, not until fans completely leave Touhou. Which again is hard.
>I assume the anime will cater more to secondaries than the gamers
And I'd say it's the opposite. The anime won't be a hit either ways, and it's a low profile project to begin with.
If anything, it will be a little bit of extra to gamers.
Shimakaze, Ushio and the Akatsuki sisters you have a point, the rest are popular amongst gamers without doubt.
You have to hope against hope the first episode is shit and drives people away
The workhorse of the IJN during WWII deserves some glory.
>Japan seems split between officially declaring Touhou dethroned, or accusing artists, musicians and otaku in general of going over to Kancolle for short term gain.
>accusing artists, musicians
There's also the fact that the latest Touhou games have been pretty crappy and with unmemorable characters. ZUN needs to get his shit together regarding that because characters are the lifeblood of Touhou.
The shitposters are here.
>Latest Touhou games have been pretty crappy and with unmemorable characters.
Nah, it's just that the older ones were TOO GOOD, the new characters get overshadowed.
I really liked Seija's design.
Ten Desires and DDC are full of literally whos, and whilst UFO had some decent characters the game was pretty shit itself. Hopeless Masquerade was also a bust.
2hu hasn't been good since SA.
Jesus Fuck. I'm still mad.
Everyone expected Soku 2.0 Electric Bogaloo and we got that fucking abomination.
I stopped caring about Touhou when artists started giving all new girls giant breasts in ridiculous majority. Thank god KanColle came along, it still has a good ratio of loli art compared to Touhou.
I kind of enjoyed the demo of HM but I never played the full thing. What was so bad about it?
All the lolis really are great.
Because that guy left out Ayanami? The elite 6 DDs all have a degree of popularity because they're useful in the game.
You might be right, you might be wrong.
At least we'll have a lot more leeway when it airs, I guess, so even if you're right, it's not a completely bad thing.
I do not think so. At least, it will let secondaries be aware that there's more than just 10 ship girls in the game.
Fubuki was a revolutionary design for destroyers at the time. I find it hard to believe that they won't glorify her at least.
>using ayy lmao and that image together
0/10 not even trying.
>when artists started giving all new girls giant breasts in ridiculous majority
Not him, but by the common tenor of /v/'s Soku threads, its main fault is not being Soku 2.0 Electric Bogaloo.
Kancolle will never dethrone Tohou unless they bring out a game that is fun. Otherwise, it will be stuck being just another big franchise, like Im@s and LL, it will eventually die out
What do you mean? Touhou is 90% cowtits now.
Touhoes actually have the better games, so it's obviously going to last longer.
>I do not think so. At least, it will let secondaries be aware that there's more than just 10 ship girls in the game.
The point was that it won't amount to anything, since the anime is so low profile.
It's being handled by Diomedea is proof for them not shooting for anything grand.
I didn't think it was that bad.
you are human garbage devoid of any merit
Infinite flying is broken and boring.
The popularity mechanic is even more broken and literally wins you matches alone you have no business winning.
Individual 2hu games are better than the Kancolle game, but the Kancolle game has ridiculous amounts of both longevity and addictiveness.
Feel free to look up Touhou on any common boorus.
don't bully 1rin
>boorus are representative of japanese fandom
I hope I'm wrong, I want to keep the semi-comfy threads with stuff getting translated and typeset.
>I find it hard to believe that they won't glorify her at least.
I hope they do a little. I love me some DDs. >>115318392
If the PV views are anything to go by it seems to have a lot of people caring about it.
Though I don't typically watch PVs when they come out so I don't know if 1.6 million views is a lot for a PV.
>Though I don't typically watch PVs when they come out so I don't know if 1.6 million views is a lot for a PV.
It's a lot.
Let's compare it to the first trailer of the most popular and hyped anime this year in Japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRJrTpEUbPE
Even if the view number is high, that just means there are already a huge number of KanColle fans, of course many will check out the PV.
However the fact remains that Diomedea is unable of producing any high profile series, and certainly wouldn't have asked them to do the series if they had intention of making it a success as an individual series.
I see people on /a/ who are confused and think that it's gonna be a big hit or something, but that's not what they're shooting at. It's just a little supplementary anime, a reward for the fans so to say.
Youtube numbers literally mean nothing to the nip fanbase.
Try again with the Nico links if you want some comparison.
>longevity and addictiveness
Isn't it just staring at static pictures on the screen while cute girls describe how they do battle for you?
No, sometimes a damage verisprite pops up.
You underestimate the power of cell phone games. They are made to play on short burst but that keep you playing every day and at every possible moment so you can progress more and more.
Why do you think normies love them? Because they are quick and easy time wasters that provide instant gratification without much investment.
Kadokawa's probably hoping to use the anime to open up opportunities for some other project to rake in even more money with. Such as the Vita game.
Didn't check it for months, but it wasn't that bad the last time I checked.
I wouldn't mind them circlejerking in our thread of 4koma and related stuff if they don't create any more threads.
Kancolle isn't a cell phone game, and its P2P-free nature is not something I'd call made to play on short burst.
>You underestimate the power of cell phone games
Which Kancolle is not.
Who are the most popular ships?
they'll run out of ships eventually
Zun can always make more hats
kancolle, as far as japanese mobage/social/whatever games go, is extremely non-p2w
Seems like that's the only type of game Kadokawa can make.
I get that business concept, but I always was under the impression that you're supposed to sink a lot of both time and money into it, even if it's just a browser game.
I asked another Anon once what it was like, and he said that all you actually do is putting together your team and then sending it out on sorties, during which all you do is masturbating to doujinshi.
P2W-free I meant. W was supposed to replace P.
2. The Democratic Republic of Congo
Weren't they expanding to american ships? Which is silly because I think half the appeal of kancolle is GLORIOUS WW2 SHIPS NIPPON BANZAI WE COULD HAVE TOTALLY WON IF WE WANTED TO.
RN is next.
* = More popular amongst secondaries than actual players
>they'll run out of ships eventually
Not if they start adding the USN.
Stop this bullshit Kadokawa drones.
Kancolle had 2k doujin circles at Comiket. Last Reitaisai had almost 5k Touhou circles.
People were begging Touhou to stop flooding Comiket and move to it's own conventions and when it finally does idiots start screaming how it's dying. This is beyond retarded.
Heh, I like DDC more than Ten Desires.
At least DDC make me feel nostalgic about past 2hu games, also the music is better than Ten Desires.
Arpeggio sold because it happened right in the middle of Kancolle hype.
>if pushed the right way, Kancolle does have the potential to generate that much effort to dethrone Touhou
Nope. The whole Touhou vs Kancolle bullshit is just Kadokawa's plot. It's not happening.
Touhou was a niche doujin game and the fanbase made it what it is today. Kancolle is a mainstream game aimed at the lowest common denominator and oozing with pandering.
It's never even going to get close to Touhou's status. It's just not happening. Ship girl's popularity is going to die out in a year or two. Many fans already hate what Kadokawa is doing with the franchise.
kancolle was never alive
>Many fans already hate what Kadokawa is doing with the franchise.
What is it doing with it exactly? Making it a popular franchise with loads of merchandise for the fans to gush for?
>Ship girl's popularity is going to die out in a year or two
See you in a year anon.
I don't see why people think Kancolle will die. 100% dethrone 2hu? No way in hell, but just like Touhou is never gonna truly die neither will Kancolle. The thing is way too settled and popular for it to disappear just like that.
Can't we just get along?
And Kancolle was never good. "Game" is a fucking joke. Both franchises got popular because of the girls.
The difference is Touhou got popular because fans really loved the girls and made the series big. Kancolle got popular because Kadokawa advertises it fucking everywhere even using some 90 year old WW2 veterans as marketing.
Some of these are pretty funny
Almost all new ships being sluts. Paid polygamy in game. Like 30 ongoing Kancolle based series each different in tone and not sure what it is supposed to be or what plot use.
Anime will be the final nail. Trailer looked amazingly dull.
What's the appeal of Kancolle? I mean I've fapped to the doujins and all bu the game doesn't look interesting or appealing in the slightest.
Are they supposed to not advertise it or something?
>90 year old WW2 veterans as marketing
You mean this?
I don't think this was supposed to be advertising though.
Gotta catch em all, like pokemon
Not even a year passed since these posts. People thinking it'll disappear so fast were idiots.
But if you think it won't be just a shadow of what it is today in 2 years you are being just as stupid.
One of the things that made Kancolle so popular at first was a half dead grandpa who was a part of the team that designed the real N1K. Guy cried after he finally got N1K in game and Kadokawa used it as advertisement.
> a lot of ... money
Nope. Sinking 1000$ is the same as "playing" kancolle for 14 hours for 2-3 days. To have any chance at finishing events you'll have to sink much, much, much more. There is no money-exclusive resource either, you can get everything in huge quantities just by investing more time into "playing".
That's the reason why it's so popular, and will be so for a long time. You're either filthy secondary, and they would die quite fast when there is no new art/douji; or Kancolle is your job, nothing in between. And by virtue of sinking 14 hours a day you'll get really extremely attached to girls, and breaking this attachment is really fucking hard.
The only thing that has a "bubble" is Kancolle thanks to a lot of corporate advertisement, instead of being grassroots like Touhou. The problem doujin wise is that it's sucking up all the attention from artists who didn't do Touhou and focused on other series. Most circles that did Touhou haven't stopped at all.
Sure, that made it popular and not the girls.
I actually let one of my shipgirl sinking and cry like a baby. Since that day i promise myself to not ever let another of my shipgirl sinking. It's crazy how you become attach to your girls.
>let one of my shipgirl sink
Who was it?
>Kancolle is your job
I used to be able to play KanColle at work but since they transferred me to a client without internet access I don't bother as much anymore, despite still not having all LSC ships. It's hard but seems like going cold turkey is the only way to quit.
I once had a Hyuuga sink during an event due to a failed gamble against RNG, and I flung a half eaten bedroll across the room.
The game can arouse strange passions.
Jun'you during midway but she dropped later on.
Didn't expect so many of them here
I-I am sorry, i promised to never let my shipgirls sink and i am now a competent teitoku. P-Please forgive me.
I want Akebono to call me Kuso.
2hu will surely last longer because it's being handled by some obsessive drunk and not a huge corporation that will kill it the second those income charts stop going up.
Though, I wouldn't mind both dying and give other things a bigger chance.
Is Tenryuu in the anime?
2hu will die soon because ZUN is losing interest.
No, only good CLs allowed.
I hope not.
I hope so best baby sitter.
KTKM is a terrible CL too.
Kitakami only becomes good after the class.change
Agano class never becomes good.
I thnk the game is great, It's nice to learn new mechanics, combos are also easier to do. Only guys who can't move on from Soku will say it's shit. Just like how IaMP fags say Soku is shit.
Still better than CL Kitakami
I wonder if theyd be mascots for the olympics
yes, I'm sure japan will glorify world war 2 at the olympics
Still much better CL than KTKM and Tenryuu.
Imagine all the butthurt from China, Korea and Taïwan
It's pretty easy.
KanColle doesn't need all the doujin. It just shows how popular the franchise is. Kadokawa even only makes money with selling official stuff anyway.
But Touhou needs every single doujin to stay relevant in the first place.
Not that Touhou was the biggest thing in Japan at some point in Japan anyway.
Pokemon was the mascot for the World Cup right?
This is not /jp/. Go back to your containment board.
What about Touhou mascots.
Kancolle is like the most retard friendly game ever created. There is 0 gameplay. Completely none.
It's all about time invested. Whole goddamn "game" is basically hitting a button with a random result.
Kadokawa is probably mad as fuck that it was designed this way since you don't need to p2w. And thanks to that nobody pays. They tried making money with marriage rings and it only backfired since many people hated the system calling it prostituting their ship girls and all. Marriage isn't even popular at all in fanarts and doujins.
Compare it to something like Rage of Bahamut that makes shitloads of money and you'll see why Kadokawa is so desperate to make money on merch. Kancolle got very popular but game itself isn't making money at all.
Wixoss made much more money and it's not even close to Kancolle's popularity in any way.
>Pokemon was the mascot for the World Cup right?
Why would Taiwan care?
wixoss is a physical card game, of course it made money
>people hated the system calling it prostituting their ship girls and all
>people actually believe this
A Touhou anime would be just as boring or shitty as the manga if ZUN is in charge of anything.
> people hated the system calling it prostituting their ship girls and all. Marriage isn't even popular at all in fanarts and doujins.
I mean it was the mascot for the Japanese team, not the World Cup as a whole.
>Kancolle is like the most retard friendly game ever created. There is 0 gameplay. Completely none.
It has game mechanics, required composition, easy level grinding, challenging events, etc. You've never played the game, so stop being retarded.
And we'll like it.
to sell merchandize
so its like hat simulator 2?
There are less vocal than the chinese but they also don't really like Japan but it's mostly because of tiny island thought.
i guess this is technically a kancolle thread
>And thanks to that nobody pays.
Anyone who's played the game knows this isn't true.
No, fuck off
That's more like it.
You know she is.
Fucking hell, I give up.
There is no gameplay. It's all RNG. You can read about the best fleet composition on the wiki. That's not playing a game.
It's not even a real game.
Events are not challenging at all. It's all about sparkling your ships and then luck. And grinding enough buckets.
And then event rewards are garbage. It's all useless trophy ships that will be craftable soon anyways.
The KanColle anime has done most of its promotional job already without being aired. It got delayed in the schedule year after year yet its publicity kept KanColle in the news and generated new interest in it. It was delayed to occur in 2014. Then delayed to summer 2014. Then delayed to August 2014 which basically made it fall 2014 but august was till summer so kancolle company managed to avoid saying fall 2014. And now, it is delayed into 2015.
By being in 2015, KanColle once again rides on the coat tails of Arpeggio of Blue Steel simply because Arpeggio has TWO separate movies coming out in 2015. The television anime reaired this year with 12 new "Kiri-Kumas" (literally, "Fog-Bears") shorts by same main staff who worked on both the television anime and the upcoming movies. Those are available for download. The bluray arpeggio is much improved over the TV version. It not only has a lot more detail, but is smoother with more frames per second. This suggests that Sanzigen studio was rushed for time to produce the TV version. If they had no budget, they wouldn't have done so much more work on the bluray version plus all the extras. Still hoping for a "brotherhood" release (sisterhood? foghood?).
I will post this in every thread till you love it.
>he hasn't analysed the game to the maximum
Ultimate pleb here.
>Events are not challenging at all.
Sortie your Isokaze and Sakawa to 6-2 and screenshot it.
Define a real game
You're just way trying too hard, your stupidity is appalling.
>It's not even a real game.
What the fuck is real game to you?
>You can read about the best fleet composition on the wiki.
You're not forced to do it. It's like reading the answers to a quiz game.
It's true though. Many doujin circles even bitched about it and went back to Touhou.
There is no gameplay. It's all RNG. You can read about the best units composition on the wiki. That's not playing a game.
It's not even a real game.
Maps are not challenging at all. It's all about buying best weapons and then luck. And grinding enough coins.
And then map rewards are garbage. It's all useless trophy equipment that will be buyable soon anyways.
something with numbers and a goal to reach
The most autistic fanbase is here.
Did they ever actually announce the kancolle anime for the dates you say?
>This suggests that Sanzigen studio was rushed for time to produce the TV version
I swear I recall seeing some people say that production for the Arpeggio anime started back in 2011 but I don't know it that's true.
So you're actually the Taihou guy in disguise
But Kagafags are in every thread frpm the start
Arpeggio fucked up with the anime original content. They really need something like Brotherhood.
I never really got into Touhou, but Kancolle intrigues me a lot. I'll watch the anime and then decide if I want to get into it. I wouldn't mind Kancolle dethroning Touhou even though both of them have great porn.
This doesn't even make sense
Kaga isn't here yet
The funniest thing is all this is true, bar "not even a real game" part.
Fucking the original content was the best idea.
Something where your decisions matter. Kancolle is all about RNG. And reading what ships to take where on the wiki.
Taihou guy is separate from him
Kaga should know her place.
Kongou and Haruna are daijoubu
So, many classical board games aren't games since they are "all about the dice"?
>trophy ships (which includes trophy DDs)
Confirmed for secondary.
Summer/Autumn 2014 were all speculations. The only official word was that the anime would come out in summer 2014 or later. Or after summer 2014. Can't remember which one.
They should've left back in October when the marriage lines were fucking leaked out.
Nobody ever played jRPG's for the gameplay. You do it for the story.
Kancolle has no story and don't even let you command your units. It's all random. Fairies choose where you go and ships choose what to attack making people rage when they decide to be retards and attack that 1hp destroyer instead of killing the boss.
That's the point.
Something where your decisions matter. Fire Emblem is all about RNG. And reading what units to take where on the wiki.
But you didn't post it in the last thread.
Yes he did
These games at least make you do something. Make some decisions, move your figures.
In Kancolle you just click the compass.
> You do it for the story.
Are you fucking serious?
> It's all random. Fairies choose where you go and ships choose what to attack making people rage when they decide to be retards and attack that 1hp destroyer instead of killing the boss.
You've never played Fire Emblem before, haven't you.
KanColle girls look "stupid" in the anime with those cosplay-like accessories added to their bodies. It's almost like super-deformed characters but at full-size instead of the normal mini-size of a typical super-deformed anime.
/tg/'s going to have a field day with this.
You assemble your ships, you manage resources, you scrap or save who you need depending on preference and necessity. But there's also those elements in many JRPGs as well.
In most games you just push buttons
What the fuck are you on about shitposter.
Its just some crossie /v/ shitposter ignore him
to be fair though, fire emblem has an end, and that's really the big difference between most rpgs and most kancolle style games (puzzles and dragons, brave frontier, etc)
in fire emblem you at least have to chose the small group of units you'll use out of the roster, in this you can play forever and eventually get everything
People will eat up an anime for either franchise no matter how shitty it is. Especially Touhou, which already has a record of people praising shit just because it's Touhou.
I move my finger when I click on the compass, too.
Point is, RNG has been a basic and sometimes really important part of games for centuries.
Welcome to musume
>almost like super-deformed
That isn't anything close to what SD is. Your entire post is literally asinine and retarded as fuck.
How does a story ending have anything to do with gameplay mechanics?
The Kancolle anime will be shit.
It has an anime, so it's mainstream garbage; Touhou doesn't.
Touhou actually gets the good games anyway. Most of the doujin KC fandom is over pornographic doujinshi.
And we'll like it.
I might as well be on weed right now.
I love how someone saved that crop I made
I got to lv80 before getting all the girls I cared about. And got I-8 from a random daily craft making me laugh at fags who wasted so much time on that night battle nightmare.
Game is complete garbage. It's a fun waste of time for a moment but then you realize how bad it really is. No way it's going to last long.
Even porn doujins are generic and boring.
>discussing games on /a/
And? Do you dislike porn?
>How does a story ending have anything to do with gameplay mechanics?
because in most of the FE games the game literally ends after the story end
something like kancolle is mechanically different because you have all the time in the world to pick out your units, instead of being railroaded along levels
they're both rng but they're in different contexts
What if Mogami was a girl?
No, but it's kind of ridiculous for it to be the driving force behind what is now supposedly dethroning touhou (touhou had a throne? what?)
Kancolle porn is literally the same goddamn scenario over and over again. Few are nice only thanks to good art.
That's not a gameplay mechanic, that has fuck at all to do with gameplay. I guess Fire Emblem is just RNG bullshit since SMT games don't end at story conclusions have new game+ cycles.
Touhou still has the throne. People who think those 2k doujins at Comiket somehow dethroned Touhou are retards. Touhou had 4.9k circles at Reitaisai less than 3 months before last Comiket.
all i have to say is that kancolle ruined the military tag on pixiv/danbooru/sadpanda
shit is barely fucking military, only the admiral guy wear the uniform.
every fucking time i want my military daily dose, i see kancolle and all i see are women in weird ass dress that vaguely make me think about ships
Don't forget about the music. Or the core game itself being a doujin project.
Why are people even suddenly talking about Fire Emblem? It's a niche RPG not many people even care about.
Kancolle has millions of players.
>shit is barely fucking military
But the DDs are wearing a military uniform.
I assume most people on /a/ let their dick decide what to watch most of the time, I know I am sadly enough.
Some idiot was arguing that kancolle is not a real game.
Where's the mod when you need it? It was right about exiling any kancolle thread to /jp/.
holy shit dude, chill out
not everything has to involve you jumping to conclusions like that
but if you don't think that rules of the game are part of the gameplay then I don't even know what your point is other than that you're mad
Kancolle is shit because it glorifies all the shitty tittymonster girls and the lolis are left mostly useless.
Ryuujou is pretty useful.
Junyo shits on her, stats and bust size.
>claims story is a game mechanic
taihou is the most useful
and the most perfect
The fact that you have a limited amount of battles and XP each character can get in the game is a part of the game related to the story.
But he's right, you are dumb. Story has fuck all to do with gameplay mechanics or the game itself. Its the least relevant part of a game.
Just like any other RPG
I have seen a few nice Kancolle doujin. But it's almost exclusively of the Abyssal.
Otherwise you are right. It's either, "Lets fuck the Admiral." or generic yuri. The characters that exist just do not have enough personality or background to make the same kind of character interactions you can get out of Touhou.
She's not even really a loli, just flat.
> limited amount of battles and XP each character can get
Good thing that doesn't apply to vast majority of jrpgs.
DDs form the backbone of expedition fleets, escorts for combined fleet and support fleets, and torpedo squadron-focused maps, the latter of which two are extra operations and so you will always be running no matter how "advanced" you are in the game.
The only people who think that they're useless ships are people who don't actually like them or want to use them in the first place.
What does this have to do with story? What does a story have to do with game balance, UI, gameplay mechanics, or micro-management of RTS elements?
Many RPG don't have a limited amounf of battles
You moved the goalposts. I still want your answer to how story has anything to do with gameplay.
I'm not the Anon you were arguing with, but saying that limited amount of battles is just like any RPG is just really wrong.
To me it feels like KanColle is meant as a business and gets milked. It will probably get dropped and die if it stops making money.
Touhou is just the hobby of an autistic drunk that for some reason became really big, but never was meant as a way to make money. It is unlikely to ever "die" completely since ZUN doesn't seem to care about milking the franchise.
For most western fans it's not really dethroned either. As far as uploads and fanarts on sites like exhentai go it still ties with Kancolle.
In the past few months both franchises got almost the same amount of uploads. It's really close. I don't think a tied first place is enough to declare one "dead" and the other "alive".
Why do you love shit so much?
You can't see how being forced to pick and chose what characters do and don't interact with each other can effect a story?
so many destroyers without designs.
Remember how relevant the fact that you can't grind more than the game wants you to was for the story in Final Fantasy XIII?
That's just some poor attempt at keeping the difficulty in a game from crashing and people are more likely to complain about it than praise it.
>It is unlikely to ever "die" completely since ZUN doesn't seem to care about milking the franchise.
It will die when ZUN quits.
Remember the poorly attempt of releasing Touhou doujin games on the Playstation?
FFXIII was a train wreck from the start.
Hopefully Amagiri will have some sort of line related to her attempted murder of a future president.
That's true I guess, but I doubt KanColle or another franchise will have something to do with it.
New Touhou content will stop being created when ZUN loses interest, not when it is "dethroned".
Being dethroned has nothing to do with being dead.
I've only ever cared about Kancolle and Touhou for the porn. Too bad most Kancolle doujins are cowtits.
Considering ZUN hasn't lost interest in the many decades of Touhou's existence, this is unlikely.
He even said Touhou is the only thing he can do now, or something to that effect.
>Touhou is a mess with a series of games aimed at diehard players, but has some bland visuals at times
>Kancolle is a smaller series with likeable characters, a simple game anyone can pick up, and interesting visuals.
Kancolle is Touhou 2.0. It makes my wee dingy sail more than Touhou ever did.
Health or family issues could make him stop.
Call me when Kadokawa stop banning rights to publish Kancolle fan games.
Why would someone like cowtits when DFC exists?
I'm just in kancolle for the lesbian doujins
What interesting visuals? Kancolle has super generic anime designs. Shimakaze became so popular because she's dressed like a complete slut. This is how shallow this crap is.
I actually liked the game for some time, but after getting all the girls I wanted to what is the point in playing anymore? To get some trophy ships from boring as hell events that are nothing but grinding and spending buckets you grinded earlier?
It'll never be another Touhou. Even doujins are crap. These girls have so little story and personality every doujin is the same.
That crowd went back to Touhou after the marriage rings.
>Kancolle is unfortunately going to be Arpeggio 2.0
But I like Arpeggio.
Not to mention that the fog fleet has a better fashion sense than the kancolles.
so many butthurt touhou nerds in here... seriously, who gives a fuck if another thing is popular for a while. you fags will suck up anything that leaks out of zun's beer-soaked brain anyway.
Fog fleet is too colorful for me. They look like try-hards.
If there are touhou game to be playing again and again until you 1-cred it in lunatic there will be touhou fans (and It can be pretty long to do so)
don't know if the last ones are good since I only finish TH6, TH7 and TH8 and I 'm not doing the overs until I finish these 3 in 1-cred (in normal for now)
big breast are a dangerous plague for the majority of touhou character.
I mostly like touhou for the glory of skills, points! (I'm not denying that I like the cute characters and that I discover it thanks to "totaly SFW" doujin)
You sure showed us
"Kanmusu", happy now?
I only have a cursory interest in the franchise.
What does gameplay have to do with story?
No. Call them shipgirls.
Why are you so kuso?
That would be ambiguous when discussing kancolle and arpeggio
The arpeggios are ships.
All ships are girls
my ships aren't girls but wives.
The actual problems aren't the ones the previous poster said.
Here's the real problems with HM:
>Wakeup game is very character specific, nothing really stops you from just waking up and blocking since there's no real offense
>No real mixup which includes...
>Almost no throws
>No real guard break game (you'll run out of spirit just trying to pressure somebody before one of their's bursts)
HM came down to trying to lame somebody out at fullscreen, and not even try to play the neutral game (which the game could have done really well with a few tweaks). HM didn't know what it wanted to be, and could have been a really interesting fighting game system, but it wasn't thought through at all.
Oh and I almost forgot, screw HM's pushblock, ruins the game completely.
I want more dragons.
Nah, it's still going strong given how some of the girls react to it, at least verbally.
Touhou is still relevant?
Did people really hate Arpeggio's CG that much?
I usually can't stand it (e.g as much as I love LL, I hate the CG dances) but I didn't find it that terrible in Arpeggio
I never really looked up much about the kancolle game. But now that I have, is it pay2win? I mean, it seems to be ftp, but then you can increase the level cap by paying for this wedding ring?
Opinions differ. Some people couldn't stand it. Others got used to it
Read the wiki.
Levels don't matter. It's pay2lose.
Of all the Japanese online games, Kancolle is the least p2w because it's not competitive, apart from the absolutely optional ranking which yields rewards you can obtain other ways. You can get all ships, all equipment (apart from some old, event only stuff, but those are not available for purchase) for free.
I can't stand it either because it's full CG, and tried the first episode and it's full of technobabble chuunishit.
It is just about the least pay to win game out there, which is part of what makes it so popular.
It was easy for me to get used to it due to a certain heavy cruiser
is the game still region locked and if yes someone explain to me why
Ranking can give you equipment you can't get (yet) in the game otherwise.
Read the wiki, gaijin scum.
Yeah, but they're mostly crap. See the latest prototype 46s. And I'm pretty certain the upcoming BBV remodel will yield one of those.
>upcoming BBV remodel will yield one of those.
You mean new event rewards.
Nice art, adorable plot, Kagaplot and a lovely end.
I didn't check the stats precisely, but aren't some of the ranking planes pretty nice?
Yes. Howaito piggu are disgusting.
Unless the ranking gives Shinden Kai or Reppu Kai then yes they're nice.
The only really good ranking plane that I can think of is the 931 tenzan
It's like they don't want my money
Yeah, they don't. They do it out of passion.
more like typical japanese marketing
>muh sikrit club
games up to 10>>>>>>UFO >DDC>>TD
UFO's stages are fucking bland (aside from Murasa's and EX stage). Characters are ok though
TD is utter shit in characters and everything
DDC is weird, but it feels right. A pity the final boss and Ex bosses are shit. I don't even remember their names. Just the small shit and the drum shit. Hell, the siren is fangame tier too. Hell, just the Dullahan, werewolfu and not!Ryuuko are salvageable
How often does Hiei masturbate to oniichan?
I always knew that Kongou was a man.
200 posts too early, Kaga.
It should be onee-sama
>tfw i commissioned this picture and have the original size
Worth every penny
The idea of Tenryuu being in charge of something scares me.
Tenryuu is always in charge of expeditions.
We didn't have a new anime design for a long time.
I hope Shiranui will appear in her true NuiNui Kai Ni form.
Who cares? They're both ridiculous.
She's in charge of being scary.
She's a failure at that.
Soon, we can repost all the christmas stuff again.
No Shiranui will be present in the kancolle anime.
After the Halloween pics and Zuikaku jokes.
I like both.
It's more about recent 2hu games being disappointments than KanColle being some new juggernaut.
Every main game since UFO has been mediocre (Ten Desires being my least favorite game in the whole series) and many of the designs are boring/forgettable compared to the old characters. Buddhism killed 2hu.
Oh and HM was shitty clunky mess, IaMP and SWR/Soku had their issues (like SWR/Soku being too slow) but they were still fun. People still netplay Soku.
I trust the KanColle anime commitee!
How lewd is Ushio's reality?
Not a single Kagerou destroyer announced.
I bet they will announce the first batch soon.
Purest taste in beach clothes.
Only Yukikaze and Amatsukaze. The others can go home.
Implying you wouldn't dance with this lady.
>sexualizing the Ushio
I would, but the anime staff wouldn't.
It's all a matter of sales.
All the titstroyers are lewd
Ushio while /a/ sexualizes her.
She was quite the asshole in that doujinshi
Her tits are greatly overrated.
Mogami got NTR
She's always been an asshole.
This thread is shit.
[x] fuck Ushio
What went wrong?
Kaga is in lesbians with Akagi
You can't prove me wrong
You can't prove yourself right either
She became MC.
Love has nothing to prove
I fucking love these pictures.
And I still fucking hate them.
Your existence is discarded.
I wish the show were like this.
Why? We don't need Kongou.
me with my girls
Take a closer look
Why would Kancolle even defeat Tohou in anything? Kancolle girls aren't pure they crave the cock.
>Did people really hate Arpeggio's CG that much?
Some of the hate was due to some dogmatic people that followed every Arpeggio thread and repeatedly reposted hate into each. Very early in the appearance of Arpeggio threads, one hate poster was doing it simply because he strongly disagreed with Arpeggio's premise that Global Warming exists. He said he was going to troll every arpeggio thread into the ground because Arpeggio incorporated global warming into the plot, thus it was a liberal story that needed to be destroyed by trolling all the arpeggio threads.
I've seen the bluray versions and they look better than the old TV version.
It's not fair because 2hus aren't human
Kongou is seriously disgusting.
Why? She's one of the few kancolle designs that I like.
She's a slut who craves for cocks
>in order for one of the two franchises to to succeed, the other has to fail
Hint: those links auto-redirect to the medium page due to the lack of a pixiv referrer
Ugly, annoying, stupid, worst Kongou class
for me Kancolle is just have a hype for cute and moe girls (with a couple of big tits) with a interesting concept and universe that will never be full explained or have much detail, that allows many people create doujinshis like Touhou, but while Touhou have decades of fanbase and have a wide arriede of doujinshi,I doubt that it will die for Kancolle, also, Touhou is done for one guy that his main restriction for the doujinshi authors is that they dont claim property of the serie, they can do whatever they want, even other games.
Kancolle is a full franchise made just to milk money on his momentary popularity, they will create so much material and canon, that people will get bored of the stuff, or the hype will just calm down.
and at least for Japan, and the huge fanbase there, Touhou is probably the Alice in the wonderland of this era/century/early millenium, I bet that in a couple of years, many of the mangas, games,and anime will have reference to Touhou, even games that arent from Japan have reference in this day (league of legends for example), while Kan will just fade into a nice memory for ous in the future
This artist does too much Shoukaku abuse.
I think that some of the 2hu charm is that every character has an unique ability.
Zuikaku vs Akagi for the rights to Kaga's anal virginity when?
I hope that since it is a new year and winter season, that DMM has another tie-in special event with Arpeggio. I didn't take full advantage of the arpeggio event last time, so if it ever comes around again, I'm gonna game the shit out of it. Have a Yukikaze...
Please stop Kaga.
that moment when guro ruin the thread
Already taken by admiral.
Guro is going too far. Should be fuel leakage.
She's perfect bully material.
Perfect mind wipe material.
Hey Kid, wanna /CVB/?
That's an adorable pairing.
>not selfinserting as motherly female admiral.
remember me of Funabori
Normal day in the office
Are there men in Kancolle?
The Admiral, probably.
Fucking sluts. 2hus are pure.
Is the purity things supposed to make Touhou fans to look even more retarded?
No but Kancolle are full of sluts who probably fuck the admiral every night.
I agree, Ikazuchi is pretty shit.
>Zuikaku vs Akagi for the rights to Kaga's anal virginity when?
Awww, new fresh ships like Kaga are best as they don't have constant fuel leakage.
>fuck the admiral every night
What's wrong with that?
An angel in a not-so-angelic world.
Turkey should really know her place.
the admiral is the only survivor after a plague that only affected man hit the world, he suspect that the abyssal have something to do and looks revenge, by commanding a army of ship-girls that are desesparate for a father/brother/husband/lover/penis/teacher/maleboss/male friend-figure
>Buddhism killed 2hu.
It really did, most 2hu plots have always been extremely silly shit like "Somebody stole the moon (IN), mist covering gensokyo, find out who did it (EoSD with red mist and IaMP) etc.
It's getting too much into religion and it's stopping being the silly fun it was. Double Spell card having no fucking extra boss killed all my hype too. I think the last "fun" 2hu game was still Fairy wars I think, it wasn't perfect but it was certainly still fun.
Touhou has quite a few big guns left to go, mainly in the built up secrets among the characters, particularly Sakuya and Eirin. Not to mention it's gamer appeal is pretty high, despite what some might want you to believe.
Kancolle is gaining steam but will it seriously harm Touhou? Well...ZUN has slowed down a bit...but all he needs to do is go "Hey, Sakuya is Eirin's daughter" or something an the fanbase will sperg with the arts.
I'd like to see the 2D stuff before judging it. If it's cheap and shitty too then the transitions are going to look worse than using 3DCG for everything.
Abyss anime designs when?
You saw some in the PV.
You know he won't.
PV has some and one of them was even hand drawn.
Not enough. I want to know who Fubuki and co will blow up.
It's just the DDs and Anchorage. I want more.
I belive is just a phase, will religion have start getting a strong hold on Touhou, I belive that soon we will the same that we were before.
The only thing I hope is that someone translate the manga of Kazen, at least, the places where I get it, have nothing since last year
That's a level 100 TTK right there.
I don't like the look on Mucchan fairy.
I don't like the look on Matsu-chan fairy's face. You know he's going to cause trouble.
I think there needs to be a new Phantasmagoria already, Phantasmagoria games are what starts making the plot and games into a different direction (After Dim dream came LLS and MS, which are considered the best PC98 games. After flower view, the gameplay and graphics(?) of the games changed a lot too. Compare IN with MoF and they look completely different).
Kancolle is shit solely because of Kaga's popularity.
Worst & most boring shipgirl by far.
after the deal with PS4, I hope ZUN decide to gave a look to the olders games and decide to revive something of the classics
TD's only saving grace was Futo as far as characters go.
What, can you feel it in your bones?
Can someone give me a short run down on how this got so popular?
2Hu is old as fuck, games got a little culty but the doujin market was it's prime thing. It's more a 'fanon = canon' kind of thing since ZUN doesn't really care.
How did this latest little girl anthropomorphized series take off so much if it was just a rather shoddy game?
I just can't understand the rapid attraction to it.
People like different things than you.
That is it.
I can't rationalize it, it just sucks you in.
Why don't /a/dmirals like Shimakaze?
>It's more a 'fanon = canon' kind of thing
But that's wrong, ZUN always destroys down hundreds of fanfiction theories whenever he releases a new info book.
glorified japanese navy + building your personal army of cute girls
Because Poi is better.
She just doesn't get mentioned, probably because people don't want to be called a secondary. Her voice is pretty cute though.
She's the token magnet to draw people in, who then stay for other superior girls. Like Cirno is for Touhou.
Cirno draws people in?
Annoying and not cute enough to let it slide.
She freezes people in place so they can't escape.
one of the thing that made Touhou popular was that the canon material is vague but have enough misteries or plot to created any kind of story, can be the different relationships (mostly shippers, but some are nice changes), or the usual darker stories, gags-comics, and more, and because the of how vague the serie is, you can ignore that little voice of your mind that say "this is wrong, thats not how the character/things are supposed to be" but still have some resambles to the characters.
and the music of course, even more the hundreds of remixs
She's just too fast for you.
Useless slut only good for porn.
The funny part of that, is that is totally a accident, he said that he dont look fan material because he dont want to copy or steal something even if he do it unconsciously, and that he can get a little jealous he a doujinshi or game is really well done.
while he have destroy a couple of fanfiction theories or the way that people see a character (like making Nitori a colossa jerk, or making other as murders) he have make canon others, love to see Kogasa is cheerful and innocent as the fanon see her
Is really Cirno de gateway girl for Touhou?
you can say that of any girl even for touhou if they aren't you favorite
But Hijiri isn't good for porn. Are you trying to insult Youkai Jesus?
Hijiri IS GREAT for porn, I lament that she isn't so populer to the H works, even the ones that focus on the "older-looking" girls like Yuuka or Yukari, but Hijiri have great potencial
another that pains me is Nazrin no enough
UFO girls usually dont get much attention to the H-doujinshis, the same for the girls of 13, is more, the girls from any game after 11, dont get much attention
There are a lot of magnet 2hu girls though, the main favorites are Cirno, Flandre or Remilia, Marisa, Chen or Sakuya.
what about Youmu? she is pretty popular for that
Shimakaze's far from being the only popular secondary target, though she's the only one that seems to get hipster flak for it. And most of the reasoning behind it is just that she's a slut or a bitch, which are ironically completely secondary traits.
Hey fags, running 2CVL, 2CA, and 2DD on 2-5, what formations should I use? BB on E-node keeps taking some of my ships out and I got tired of running 2CV4FBB since repairing them costs too much.
If I see someone's liking Shimakaze & Tenryuu, I can predict that he/she is very likely a secondary. Quite saddening, not to say they aren't great, but there are tons of more kanmusu that are equally great.
Hayashimo is a good girl.
Even if she's legal, I'll find ways to break some laws with her.
Anyways, I find it interesting that Kancolle doesn't have a girl with short brown-ish hair as the main girl, like practically every other series that just throws girls at you (imas/LL, Saki, Touhou, GuP, Strike Witches, etc).
>a girl with short brown-ish hair as the main girl
Shimakaze isn't the main girl, it's Fubuki.
Shimakaze is a boy
I don't think Kancolle will one day be big enough to warrant its own containment board.
The embodiment of a secondary.
I think it already is on Futaba.
b-but the Touhous are immortal, they cannot die
Where are these 2hufags coming from?
Go back to your containment board.
People who like 2hu can like other things as well you know.
Hibiki is the worst idol, fuck off Melan.
Good Reimu, teach that secondary magnet a lesson.
Melan went and became a normalfag or whatever. That insult shouldn't be used anymore.
Oh right, online "girlfriend". And here I thought he couldn't fall any lower.
Midway pls go
>2. The Democratic Republic of Congo
I want to fuck Yamashiro.
I fucking love it!
Goddesses: Shoukaku, Haruna, Taigei, Shigure
a shits: Kongou, Hiei, Shimakaze, Mutsu, Ikazuchi
>don't really like Japan
You really don't know jack shit.
This is what I want to achieve as a buyfag.
I hope you've been working on that Fusou impression.
What did Snail ever do to you?
letting you down one last time in LSC, etc
She looks ugly, and I dislike her annoying "ONEE-SAN" shit. I love nee-sans but Mutsu does it in such an annoying and unappealing way.
>Kongou, Hiei, Shimakaze, Mutsu
Mutsu is a good girl.
There are no bad girls in the fleet.
>Her voice is pretty cute though.
These aren't uploaded or TLed on danbooru, are they?
Why don't you check yourself?
I did. Couldn't find them in the Freddy pool, and I was wondering if I was retarded.
Where's your god now?
Where's your dog now?
I think they like them more than PRC at least.
>zuikaku instead of akagi
>kaga not on top
Everything is wrong you retard.
This list is remarkably accurate insofar as best to worst.
Since Japs read right to left, are you saying that Taigoy is the best?
I swear this was unintentional
I wonder who is behind this post.
It's bust size.
I'm saying Taihoe has the shittiest cup size.