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Why didn't Kirei just go to therapy?
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>>115313895
Because Kirei's problem is not something that can be cured going to therapy. His soul is literally distorted, he is a bug and someone who was born defective. When souls are taking into account (given that it is a fantasy setting) these things can happen.
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You'd be better off admitting you're a child rapist than having mental problems in Japan.
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300 people on a ship and 200 on the other, which do you save and why
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>>115314083
thats when u go to therapy
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>>115313895
>Why didn't Tokiomi just walk behind Kirei?
Every time.
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>>115314288
Let them both sink, I don't get paid enough for this shit.
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>>115314321
He probably did and it just didn't work. He said he tried everything to correct himself and nothing worked.
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>>115314288
Flip a coin.
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>>115314288
>commie.
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>>115314288
300 > 200
Why are you even asking this?
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>>115314288
Whichever I'm on.
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>>115314288
depends on which ship pays me more
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>>115314628
The ship with 200 passengers on takes you captive. Do you kill the 200 people to save the 300?
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>>115315352
Not that guy, but if I can only save one, saving 300 is better than 200.
I don't see why this is arguable unless there is someone I really care about on that boat.
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>>115314288
Be a hero and save both.
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>>115315352
Well, if they are planning to stop me from rescuing others, might as well. Terrible people like that deserve to die.
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>>115315386
Because I hate majority?
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>>115314234
Not just in Japan. It's generally frowned upon in the west too. Pretty sad really.
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>>115314234
They'd probably classify raping children as part of your mental problems.
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>>115313895
Why didn't he just let the plane land ?
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>>115315412
>not wanting to die
>terrible people
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>>115316719
Because the bees would have escaped and destroyed the earth. The better question is why didn't Natalia didn't put on the beekeeper suit she found, grabbed a parachute and leapt out after directing the plane into the ocean. Kerry found her location easily enough, he could have picked her up.
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>>115315412
you fix ship blah blah 2 more ships 200 vs 100 blah you save 200 this time more blah end up killing 300 to save 200 taking more steps than needed
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>>115317334
Ask the 100 why the fuck they changed boat since they were already ok on the 300 one
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>>115313895
>I see, so your problem that you become a participiant of a magical battle for the holly grail, and one of the historycal heroes trying to seduce you? Please take those pills and let these friendly guys escort you to your new room. Also would you mind to put on this jacket? Thank you very much!
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>>115314288
The one with the most qts
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Why didn't Gilgamesh just make a new friend?
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>>115317472
He's a jerk no one likes him
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>>115317518
But his mother and Enkidu liked him
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>>115317544
Speaking of Enkidu, has he ever shown up in nasuverse?
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>>115317574
A few times.
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>>115314628

The ship with 300 people is full of terrible people while the ship with 200 is full with good kind hearted people. Pick one.
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>>115314288
I use useless parts of both ships to fix them.
Fuck you, Angry Manjew.
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>>115317518

Isn't he supposed to have superhuman charisma
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>>115318404
His charisma is just too high.
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Which servant punched most above their weight?

F/SN Rider was much stronger than a human (noble phantasm aside) but she made it to the end in HF.
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>>115314288
Both.
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What class would George Washington be?
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>>115314288
>saving normalfags
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>>115313895
>>Why didn't Caster just take a closer look at Saber and realize he had the wrong person?
Every time.
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>>115314288
Fate/Zero Anime Visual Guide II - Commentary: Episode 24 "The Last Command Seal", p.166

>Narita: Since the Holy Grail itself was only a clump of magical energy, wishing for "Saving the World" without specifying the method would not work. If Kiritsugu had no power or wealth, but knew "the method of Saving the World", it may be possible for the Grail to carry it out.... Kiritsugu was presented with such a vision of "what would happened if the World was saved" because Kiritsugu only knew of "sacrificing few for the benefit of many". However, since the Grail at this time was tainted by Angra Mainyu, Kiritsugu was presented with the most malicious imagery of his "saved World".

>Narita: If "Saving the World" was wished upon the Grail as the Grail had presented, what would happen?
>Mashin: It would certainly realize it a la The Monkey's Paw.
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>>115320774
Why does Shirou always have that dumb look on his face?
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>>115320762
Archer you goon.
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>>115320850
It's appropriate look for him
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>>115320850
>Why does Shirou always have that dumb look on his face?

You lost me.
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Why is he so perfect?
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>>115320850
He been at the firewater.
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>>115313895
Do edgy tryhards on /a/ go to therapy?
No. There's your answer.
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>>115320779
Archer

E Pluribus Unum: 50 Stars of Freedom (Anti-Army)
Novus Ordo Seclorum: All-Seeing Eye (Self)
Star Spangled Banner: Land of the Free, Home of the Brave (Anti-World)
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>>115321104

I do.
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>>115321123
Me to but we're not the majority as you can clearly see from most of the posts of the board.
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>>115320762
>Which servant punched most above their weight?

Saber ;)
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>>115321255
>implying Saber, the generally touted as best class is punching above her weight

Fake Assassin is the one punching above his weight
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>>115321255
>;)
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Kirei is such a joke, my fucking god. He's what a fourteen year old goth would write if he were told to to come up with the darkest character he could dream up. Why Gil ever thought he was worthy of even a second of his time is beyond me.
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>>115321293
Saber being the best didn't stop her from getting destroyed by Soichiru-sama's ATATATATATATATATA technique.
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>>115321293
He totally is.
However, Saber is also doing some crazy stuff. Dodging the undodgeable, defeating the strongest.
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Who are these Heroic spirits?
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>>115321361
>hurr durr rejoice
This. And then Typemoonfags try to tell me this shit is well written and interesting.
Don't make me laugh.
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>>115321374
So she's punching below her weight then if she can get wrecked by a reinforced human?

>>115321383
Yeah but people expect that from Saber. Archer wasting Berserker would be the better example of punching above your weight class
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>>115321407
>riding guy
>magic man
>spear fellow
>sword dude
>ranger lass
>angry dog
>Hassan-i Sabbah
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>>115321407
Hassan
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Why didn't Saber accept Gilgamesh's proposal?
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>>115321440
Archer wasting Berserker? It was more like Berserker wasting Archer.
Or did you mean HF Shirou?
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>>115321469
Because she wants a waifu
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>>115321518
Shirou?
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>>115321501
I mean the scene where Rin's like. "Archer, stall this bitch" and Archer basically removes a few lives from him
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>>115321407
I'd actually be interested to see if there ever was a wolfheaded berserker with a long blade.

The rest look like generic pictures other than hassan, but that berserker is out there.
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>>115321407
saber = sigurd
caster = merlin
berserker = choo choo train
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>>115321407
Lancer is wearing landsknecht clothes, so I guess he's The Father of Landsknechte.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

Berserker kinda looks like the Minotaur.
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>>115321407
Caster might be Merlin.
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>>115321544
>>115321564
Merlin is not on the Throne, he's in Avalon.
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>>115321598
That doesn't suddenly give him a monopoly on generic wizard drawings.
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>>115314288
I force them to fight it out to decide who I save
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>>115321598
Dumbledore then, or Gandalf.
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>Tfw no Archer-class Robin Hood
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>>115321544
chuchu doesn't look like a dog as a berserker

he looks like an eldritch horror
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>>115321676
Do you even Extra.
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>>115321361
>>115321415
Fuck you, Kirei is best Type Moon girl.
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>>115321407
Well the Assassin is Hassan-i-Sabbah.

Don't know the others.
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>>115314288
Which one has more Jews?
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Why is this series popular
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>>115321780
Power levels and the intersection of the worlds myths
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>>115321780
Powerlevel discussions, epic maymays and waifu wars
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>>115321361
Kirei is an allegory for closeted homosexuals.
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>>115321407

Berserker looks like Big bad wolf and Assassin is obvious.
Others could probably be guessed by their armor design, although generic wizard robes and beard could be loads of people.
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Why is the Grail War so unbalanced? Some classes just seem broken.

It really needs a patch.
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>>115321871
>Why is the Grail War so unbalanced?
It's supposed to be unbalanced with the 3 knight classes having a more or less subtle advantage.
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>>115321871
That's the idea, retard.
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>>115321469
Gil can't cook
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>>115314451
Maybe he should have found a true magic user. There's gotta be an unknown type that can fix souls.
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>>115321871

It's unbalanced by design.

Fuckin secondaries, I swear.
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>>115321834

Wait what
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>>115321871
>Not making every other class Avenger.
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>>115321871
All classes have their inherent advantages and disadvantages, it depends how you play them.

And by that I mean it comes down to how hard you luck out on a good NP.
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>Why didn't Archer just stand around not doing anything when Alaya told him to go massacre people? He's an adult, he doesn't have to do what other people tell him to
>Why didn't Tokiomi just give Kotomine a care package with some bread and fruit and cheese instead of a fucking knife? What the fuck is he even going to do with a knife Tokiomi?
>Why didn't Sola-ui just tell everybody she's a lesbian to get out of marrying Kayneth? It's okay to be gay
>Why didn't Kariya and Sakura just buy some bug spray? Shit's cheap
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Why didn't the Grail grant Kiritsugu's wish?
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>>115321871
It was already patched 2 times.
It ended with reducing chance of victory by to 3/7 instead of 3/3.
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>>115322017
He denied it.
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>>115322017
But it did.
Hell even the untainted grail would have probably proposed that method because it's the only way Kerry knows to solve problems
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>>115322017

see: >>115320839

Also:
"This... is what you wanted to show me?"
Even as Kiritsugu recalled his nausea at the aim of this vile game, he listened intently to the thing that called itself the "will of the Holy Grail".
[That's right. This is your truth. The answer within Emiya Kiritsugu. In other words, the acts that should be carried out by the Holy Grail as a wishing machine.]
"No!" Kiritsugu shouted, with his hands stained by blood.
"I didn't wish for something like this! I wanted some other method... that's why I had no choice but to rely on a miracle..."
[A method you yourself are not aware of could not possibly be included into your desire. You wished for the salvation of the world; therefore, it can only be realized by
the means you are aware of.]
"To hell with that! How is... this a miracle?!"
[It is a miracle. What you had once aspired for, the deed that you were unable to achieve alone will finally be carried out on a scope unreachable by the hands of men. This is nothing if not a miracle.]
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>>115317472
Well he did promise Enkidu.
But it's not like Enkidu would really care if he made a new one. Enkidu won't retroactively lose that part of his legend if Gill gains another friend millennia later.
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>>115322017

Monkey paw wish
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>>115322098
No it didn't

see:>>115320839

>Hell even the untainted grail would have probably proposed that method because it's the only way Kerry knows to solve problems

No, However, since the Grail at this time was tainted by Angra Mainyu, Kiritsugu was presented with the most malicious imagery of his "saved World".
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>>115322098
>>115322098
What would have happened if Shirou made the same wish to ab untainted Grail?
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Why did Kirei kill Tokiomi again?
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>>115321598
Merlin isn't dead he's stuck in tree.
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>>115322098
No it didnt:

see:>>115320839

> However, since the Grail at this time was tainted by Angra Mainyu, Kiritsugu was presented with the most malicious imagery of his "saved World".


>However, since the Grail at this time was tainted by Angra Mainyu, Kiritsugu was presented with the most malicious imagery of his "saved World".
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>>115321407
Could archer be Artemis?
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>>115322188
Who wouldn't want to kill that fag?
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>>115322184
Shirou would never make that wish
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>>115321598
But Arturia is in Avalon as well, and she gets summoned all the fucking time.
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>>115322114
Also Kiritsugu doesn't believe in utilitarianism, he just practice a form of it because it was the only realistic way for him he knows of to get anywhere.When he realized how such methods won't change the world, he chased for the Holy Grail to try to create such world without need for such sacrifice.

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Even Kotomine knew that:
"You do not need to understand. Emiya Kiritsugu desired peace. Isn't it simple? But it was too simple for this complex world. He had to reject the extra parts that could not fit into that perfect shape."
"But he could not tolerate that.
He sought a perfect shape, but still wanted to save the extra parts.
…But that is a miracle exceeding human power.
There is no such thing as a world without conflict. He sought the Holy Grail to deny that fact."
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But when he found out the grail was corrupted and limited and malicious it is, he rejected it.
Kiritsugu doesn't even think he's a good person, he thinks he's immoral due to his methods. and one of the reasons he said he doesn't deserve to hold Illya when she was born.
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>>115322012
>Why didn't Archer just stand around not doing anything when Alaya told him to go massacre people? He's an adult, he doesn't have to do what other people tell him to

I know this is being sarcastic, but really couldn't he have just not done anything. I mean at worse Alaya destroys his soul.
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>>115322219
**
Hell even the untainted grail would have probably proposed that method because it's the only way Kerry knows to solve problems

**
>However, since the Grail at this time was tainted by Angra Mainyu, Kiritsugu was presented with the most malicious imagery of his "saved World".
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>>115322264
Why didn't he just practice real utilitarianism, and just wish for a world where everyone was given proper education, and told to strive for utilitarian ideals?
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>>115322273
>Why don't people just refuse to go to hell after they sold their soul?
That's how stupid you sound
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>>115322365
Corrupt grail you dumb nigger
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>>115322230
You can't summon full gods.
Though I guess the Ainsworth Grail is different so maybe.
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>>115314288
That was beyond retarded.
Urobuchi is a hack
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>>115322371
It's not like it forcefully used his body as a puppet to murder those people. I mean you'd think he'd rationalize away his deeds if it did.

>Why don't people just refuse to go to hell after they sold their soul?

Well it's not like you can't. I mean the demon will pull you in anyway, you never had to go in willingly.
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>>115322365
Because the grail can technically grant any wish, but the only method it can use is murder. If it comes across a wish that can't be solved with murder it opts to do the next best thing, try to kill every human being on the planet.
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>>115322365
He honestly doesn't know how to "Save" anything other then to kill people pretty much the logical reasoning of any human. How many folks believe that the world would be a better place if we just killed any and all criminals instead of throwing them in jail for some months,years or life? Sure some get killed but's either due to in house fighting or very very slow private viewing executions.
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>>115322474
Its a monkey paw, where you basically have the Zoroastrian devil & vengance to be the wish granter.
It doesn't want murder, just to spoil the wish.
It still works perfectly fine for punching trough to the root.
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>>115321544
Merlin isn't dead. He's stuck in a tree, alive. He can't be a hero.
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>>115314288

Which one am I on?
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>>115322474
And even Bazett's harmless wish of wanting to live was translated into an result where every 4th day, the corpse shades of Avenger completely floods everything to destroy everything.
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>>115314288
The ship which carries you're waifu
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>>115322498
>He honestly doesn't know how to "Save" anything other then to kill people pretty much the logical reasoning of any human
No, he doesn't just 'kill' as his methods. He would chose to avoid killing if it could be done without killing.

One obvious example is how he pretty much evacuated the building with the fire alarm before blowing it up.
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>>115322613
>it's a boat with only you and you're waifu
Those 500 people can die, I'll enjoy my boat ride with my're waifu.
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>>115322532
I interpreted as Angra Manyu using the grail the become the thing his people tried to make him, all the worlds evils. Regardless of what the wish is he can only use evil to achieve it, and after granting the wish will be summoned into the world and just start murdering people by existing until Alaya can get rid of him.

The entire scenario is pointless, after the third war it's impossible to win because the planet will not allow the possibility of Angra Manyu's summoning.
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>>115322273
Pretty much, the counter guardians have no autonomy and aren't even manifested in their form.
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Kara no Kyoukai Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: Counter Force [Others]
Counter Force [Others]
The Counter Force here is the safety device formed by the collective unconsciousness.
The prayer to avert the demise of mankind, Alaya.
And the prayer to extend the life of the planet, Gaia.
These are the two aspect of the Counter Force.
Both aspects have the goal of extending the existence of the current World. They will eradicate the factors that threaten to destroy the World at the moment of their occurance.
Since the Counter Force is the unconscious, its appearance draws no attention, and no one will recognize it.
The Counter Force is a formless spiral of power. It adjusts its scale based on the target that needs to be obliterated. The Counter Force will always appear with a status above the target, enough to absolutely secure a victory.
Normally, the Counter Force empowers "a normal person" to remove the factor that can trigger destruction. As a result, these individuals are worshiped as "Heroes".
Individuals who became Heroes through the aspect of Alaya are said to be integrated into Alaya after death. However, the accuracy of this statement is uncertain.
These individuals are also called Counter Guardians. The emphasis here is "Counter", because they have no autonomy and will only activate in response to an event.
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>>115322591
so was shirou
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>>115322532
No it does, the corrupted grail would just destroy everything once it is complete.

The regular holy grail is just uncolored and depends on the user.
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>>115322758
And even the regular holy grail just depends on the Einzbern 'wish granting' sorcery trait that allows spellcasting without possessing the knowledge of the spell itself, and even that is limited by numerous factor including their capabilities as mages.

It is not omnipotent, but that lie was spread to attract sacrificial outsiders. When the real purpose was to open a path to the Akashic Records using the gathered power from the slain servants and following the data trail back the the throne of heroes (part of the root).
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Why Tokiomi trust Kirei so much and didn't know he was mentally unstable?
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How did the user of the First Magic even die? Isn't one of it's basic abilities to not die?
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>>115322745
Merlin unlike Shirou might never die, and depending on how Nasu wanted to play it might be divine enough to say no to being summoned.
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>>115322937
maybe you cant use the 1st magic on yourself
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>>115322996
might
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>>115322880
The fact that they somehow lost the 3rd magics non Grail form always bugged me. I mean it's supposed to be a way for your soul to exist without an anchor to the world (or as its own anchor) so even whichever member who invented it dying would mean nothing.
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>>115322937
It is more likely he just disappeared.

http://completematerial.pbworks.com/w/page/53399786/General%20True%20Magic%20and%20Root%20Information

Aoko: But grandfather didn't approve of even her determination to become a foundation.
He wouldn't permit her to crack the Root until a more powerful successor was born. He'd pass the magic to the successor, but the road to the Root would remain closed. I can sympathize with Touko, but I'm with grandfather on this one. I'm not interested in the Root, and firstly, there hasn't been a single person that's returned alive. There's no guarantee that it even is the seat of gods.
Soujuurou: Aozaki. What do you mean no one has returned alive?
Aoko: I mean that no one touching the Root has ever come back. On a global scale. You touch it, you cease to exist on the spot. The very moment the likes of a human soul touches it, it’ll go back to “where it came from" or be absorbed into the Root, or something.
Aoko: So, even the mages who have left their name in history have refrained from touching just that. At the best, they get close to it to stabilize their own magecraft in a hurry.
Soujuurou: Then how do we know it's that kind of place?
Aoko: Well, because there was probably someone who went inside and told us.
Soujuurou: But you said no one's returned alive.
Aoko: Those people probably ended up becoming God inside, right?"
Aoko: If that's it, then there's no reason for them to come back, right? And it could be that they simply can't come back. ...Well, I can’t really swallow that being "God" is really what we think it is, so I can’t believe it’s going to be very happy.
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>>115323037
That's some shit. He/She should have trained their successor better.
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Why did Sakura call Kariya a fool when he was fighting to save her?
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>>115322880
>It is not omnipotent
It's pretty close
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>>115323146
penis envy
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>>115323080
well it is probably because of something like this:

Aoko: Microscopically, yes it's similar. Annnnnd, just until recently, the magi of today were looking for the last remaining seat, but just a bit before, some guy from the middle of nowhere took it from them and ended the game of magical chairs. So they ended up having to continue their plain and meaningless research to get to the Root without magic.
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>>115323146
Brain washed by Zouken
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>>115323080
We're talking about the Einzberns
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>>115322937
>Isn't one of it's basic abilities to not die?
it's basic ability is to manipulate ether clumps.
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>>115323146
Kariya was fighting to fuck her mother and NTR her father.

He was a faggot who disobeyed grandfather.
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So does the TRUE uncorrupted holy grail also require that the wisher understand how to realize their wish, or can it simply presto and make it so without the hassle of needing blueprints?
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>>115323228
Zouken please go
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>>115323106
>became a god
>can't come back
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>>115323146
That was just the anime reinterpretation, in the novel it was this:

Sakura stared at the corpse of the man who had fallen before her in the icy-cold
darkness of the worm storage. This man was muttering to himself even till the end,
and a satisfied smile was on his face even as he died.
How odd. Why would this man return here? Why did he still want to live when he
was in such a despicable state?
Although Sakura couldn’t understand why, she clearly knew why he was in anguish,
and why he was dead.
– You must not disobey Grandfather.
Everyone in the Makiri house knew that, but why wouldn’t this man obey that rule?
He was an adult, but he was helplessly stupid.
Why, why would this man choose such a meaningless death?
After a brief consideration – ahh, that was why. Sakura suddenly understood it.
This must be her lesson tonight.
A lesson to teach her what would happen to those who disobeyed Grandfather’s will.
This man died here so Sakura could see a real example with her own eyes.
Yes, I understood, Grandfather.
The girl nodded obediently. She burned this scene deep into her memory while she
stared, unmoving, at the corpse surrounded by worms that was gradually becoming
smaller and smaller.
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>>115323252
You just need to imagine a result.
But "World Peace" isn't a result.
Kerrytugu would have to think of how world peace comes to be.
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>>115323252
it's simply presto. think of it as an advanced command spell; you break the rules but you don't need to know how.
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>>115323146
>implying anyone who thinks they can save wormslut is not a fool
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>>115323146
>Accepts a year of torture
>Then spends the grail war suffering
>Loses
>Comes home delusional
>Falls into the worm pit himself

I think it might be the last 2. Not sure
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>>115323283
>defending Kariya
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>>115323252

see: >>115322880

Their Sorcery Trait is Wish-Granting – Spellcasting without possessing the knowledge of the spell itself. They skip the thaumaturgical process altogether and recreate miracles just through the use of prana but they are still bound to the limitations of the Magic Circuits.
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>>115323335
>implying Kariya wasn't driven mad by the worms
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>>115323284
It is more about becoming such a high level existence, or becoming a part of such a high level existence that you no longer have a human mind, and thus have no reason or desire to go back to the human world.
You pretty much operate on a completely different mindset after 'acquiring it'.
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>>115323341
World Peace isn't a result.
There are x ways to realise it.
The grail could kill everyone or just brainwash violence out of everyone.
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>>115321978
Toplel
>disadvantages
>Saber
>advantages
>Assassinshit
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>>115323175
So some extremely powerful trolly wizard just decided to steal the true 3rd magic?

>Somewhere in the multiverse of TM there's a wizard who can do all forms of True Magic.
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>>115323413
What would've happened if Ryuusosuke and Caster got the Grail?
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>>115323407
So basically Dr. Manhattan?
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>>115323451
Multiverse Zeltrech
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>>115323451
The implication was that one of the Einzberns a thousand years before have achieved the Third Magic, but disappeared from the world after also touching the Akashic records. But his/her family didn't have all the knowledge the guy had, so they tried for a thousand year to try to recover their Third Magic they thought they have unlocked.
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>>115323502
Maybe Aoko was right, and touch the tree really does make you a god.
Maybe being a god just fills you with the need to dick around with everything.
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>>115323472
Didn't Gilles thought he already won?
How does the angry manjew interpret "revive Jeanne d'Arc" as "kill all humans"?
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>>115323451
how would you steal magic? isn't it a magecraft that basically defies the fundamental laws of energy conservation? i thought it's something that would rely on transcending concepts.
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>>115323566
think of god as a person who only has The Sims as a game for all eternity
somewhere along the line you gotta get bored
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>>115323596
>If I try to kill all humans the CT will summon heroes to stop me. Jeanne might be among them. I'll just bukakke her with my mud and boom she's back mostly.
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>>115323472
Hilarity. And Genocide. And a bunch of counter guardians.

>>115323626
Most mages write shit to their crests, because its a very good spellbook. And then they transfer a copy of that to the next generation.
Or you steal their crest.
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>>115323626
>how would you steal magic?
by transcending the transcended concepts
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True Magic might just be the Arthur C. Clarke's "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." to the Mages.

Fate/complete material III: World material - Theory of Magic, p.048

"Magic" making the impossible possible
True Magic. This is a different mystery than magery. Magi call the events that are unachievable by magery and science in that age True Magic. If that event could be achieved by time and resources, then no matter the difficulty, that event will not be seen as True Magic.
When the civilization of mankind was still young, all magery had been True Magic. But along with the advancement of science, the number of things that "could be done" by people had increased, and in exchange, True Magic diminished. The number of remaining "True Magics" in the modern era are extremely few, only 5. In "Fate/stay night", the achievement of one of these, the "Third True Magic", occupied the portion of the Grail War that could also be said to be its base.
All magi strive to arrive at "True Magic". Even if they can't reach it, the next generation will. Even the next generation can't reach it, then the one after....and like that, thus was weaved the history of trial and error of magery.

(to be continued)
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>>115323472
Good End
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>>115323715
•The Five Magicians
There are five True Magics left in the current age. Those who use them are called "Magicians". The user of the First Magic, the oldest True Magic, is said to be dead, so the ones that are "still alive" are four. Let's say that "what had been possible only by True Magic" then becomes achievable by developments in magery or scientific technology. True Magic will be lowered to a mere "craft". Many True Magics were lost from the world like that. Then, can the power of "True Magic" only fade out hereon? No. The arrival of magi at existing or as of yet uncharted new Magic can allow new True Magic to be born and the numbers to be increased. Needless to say, this is far more difficult than a camel passing through the eye of a needle and finding one speck of a jewel in a desert. However, it's not impossible. The existence of the Wizards is proof of that. Thus, magi strive for the heights of True Magic. Believing they will one day reach the stars in the skies with their own hands, they continue dedicating themselves to their studies daily.

•Death of True Magic, Death of a Magician
A Magician, just like a magus, has a long life. If one uses life-prolonging magic, it wouldn't be impossible to live a few hundred, a few thousand years either. But, the "end" will come for sure. Then, would the death of a Magician mean the death of the True Magic he uses? No, it would not. True Magic will be passed on to the inheritor of the next generation and will not disappear. If True Magic were to die, it would only be when it could be realized by normal means.


> If True Magic were to die, it would only be when it could be realized by normal means.
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>>115323626
>>115323697
That guy was just misinterpreting


http://completematerial.pbworks.com/w/page/53399786/General%20True%20Magic%20and%20Root%20Information
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>>115323666
crests can only be passed through blood relation
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What your favorite Reality Marble and why is it UBW /a/
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>>115323749
>>115323715
>>115323106
So I guess True Magic would be eventually achievable, but once that happens, for each one achieved by normal means, a path to the Root closes.
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>>115323298
If Sakura was already this broken throughout childhood how on earth did she get some life back into her eyes by stay night?
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>>115323808
It isn't.
Lair of the Beast King a best
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>>115313895
it's not HONORABU
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>>115322262
>Arturia
>in Avalon
Are you retarded or did you only watch Fate/Zero and assume shit?
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>>115323851
huh, never noticed Kyubey there before...
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>>115323786
No, you can ignore that just fine. It just might take a bit longer to do that.
Yggdrasil is making crests on everyone compitable.
Now.... Crest != Family Crest
A family Crest is when you start passing on dead peoples crest to the next person in line, to preserve knowledge. Thats hard to do.
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>>115323808
>not Aestus Domus Aurea
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>>115323924
I'm pretty sure it's just a generic anime cat
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>>115323932
>A family Crest is when you start passing on dead peoples crest to the next person in line, to preserve knowledge.
I'm pretty sure that's what everyone is doing
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>>115323808
thats not TATARI
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>>115323228

But that's not what this picture slideshow told me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=952s2UOQW-k
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>>115323932
Isn't family crest what nearly everyone uses?
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>>115323851
>>115323989
When I said Reality Marbles i thought you faggots wouldn't crossover to Tsukihime.
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Why didn't Gilgamesh ally with Rider?
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>>115324080
Because there is no need for two kings
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>>115324040
There are a total of 2 RMs in Fate.
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>>115324040
>implying there are good Reality Marbles on Fate
UBW is chuuni to the extreme
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>>115324032
>>115323961
Yes, but the point is that if you wanted to give away free sorcery, you can do that just fine, since engraving a part of a crest is easy to do.
You could technically also go around and get your payment in "sign my crest".
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>>115323749
On a totally speculative level I wonder if somehow science ever got to the point where it was possible to leave the multiverse (somehow solving the problem that your whole timeline exists inside the multiverse, and that bring yourself out of it would violate logic on multiple levels) would reality shit itself.
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>>115324080
One friend only forever, even though since the legend has already cemented itself getting a new friend wouldn't actually change anything, but Gil is a man of his word.
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Why didn't Natalia bring any grenades or extra weapons to take out the Zombies?
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>>115324142
Yes that makes sense
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Off the topic I'm playing Fate/hollow ataraxia. How many hours it take for you to fnish ? I hope it would be very long cause its awsome
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TRANSLATION WHEN

HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN ON 100%
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>>115322404
Those are the cards that appeared in the LN
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>Why didn't Berserker just approach Saber rationally?
Gee whiz
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>>115323808
UBW a shit, Nevermore best RM
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>>115324294
Aoko pls go
you are a pedophile with no taste
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>>115324378
Why didn't Saber free Merlin from the fucking tree?

I mean an extremely powerful magic user is a good thing to have in a war.
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Can Shiki RAPE_ servants?
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>>115324294
December 25
100%
I bet my leg
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>>115324393
He's not even best apostle anon
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>>115324294
Commie: Probably never at this point. I'd be nice if they would just officially drop it if that is the case.
KnK guy: Seems dead
Beast's lair: Maybe in a few years if he bothers.
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Why didn't Shirou just give Saber a blood transfusion?
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>>115324486
>wanting to mix royal blood with commoner blood
you disgust me
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>>115324486
Then Shirou would be greatly weakened and unable to defend himself, it might actually weaken the Servant's stats despite having more supply of power.
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>>115324486
Probably not enough concentrated mana compared to spunk, less likely to kill him.
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Why didn't Kiritsugu have a threesome with Irisviel and Maiya?
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>>115324709
because he identified as gunsexual you shitlord
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>>115324709
He grew up with a Succubus as a mom, he has no more sexual desires left unfufilled
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>>115324709
He only had sex with Maiya to make having to let Iri die easier, so that probably wouldn't have worked too well on his mind.
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>>115324884
She only sexually harassed him and avoided actually milking him, so he probably only got his crotch and ass grabbed among other things.
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>>115324884
>sexualizing natalia
pls no
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>>115324709

Who's to say he didn't?
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>>115324940
I want to make breakfast in bed and write a card for Natalia!
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>>115324884
speaking of which,

how many of you in this thread have actually read the short story "Heart of Freaks", describing one of the missions of Kiritsugu and Natalia?
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What would be the easiest way to become a hero and qualify for a place in the throne?
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>>115324940
I want to reload natalias guns
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Why is Sakura such best girl?

> Cooks
> Cleans
> Will go yandere for you
> Acts dignified and with grace in public
> Fucks like an educated prostitute in private

I mean Rin comes close second but Saber just gets BTFO for being bland as fuck.
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>>115325063
>the easiest way
You're already disqualified.
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>>115325063
kill all jews
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>>115325079
Sakura pls go back to /an/
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>>115325050
here's the passage describing her the trait she inherited.
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Natalia started running swiftly. Innumerable hands surged forward to contain her.
“ – Too naïve!”
Her right light shone, and sliced the arms away.
The nightmare which could hoodwink men and suck their soul till its dry – Natalia, whose
ancestors were succubus, possessed a special type of power.
Which was – a boost to release all her preserved prana in one go. Like fighter jets
Increasing its propelling force by 50% by means of afterburners, Natalia’s strength in her
arms, legs; her endurance, her instantaneous force – all her bodily abilities were greatly
amplified.
It’s something similar to the enhancement of the body by means of rune magecraft, but
for a much shorter period. But to compensate for that, Natalia used extreme violence.
Berserk – Natalia had absorbed parts of the souls of her close magi acquaintances to
prepare for this battle.
She swung her arms and severed.
Her legs pierced into the body, and kicked it open into the intestines.
The strong gastric acid gushed out – she avoided the downpour-like liquid with minimal
steps.
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>>115324486
We all know why.
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>>115317334
So? You made the best possible decision at the time, and should be content with that.
If you'd chosen a different choice, the outcome would have been worse.
200 Survivors > 0 Survivors .
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>>115314288
Do I have any motivation to save either ship?
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>>115325079
>Sakura
>best girl
Not even best Grail
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>>115325413
Illya is best cup
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>>115323814
So True Magic is basically hipster magic?
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>>115323749
Also:

Fate/Side Material - Encyclopedia: Magic [Miracle], p.075

Magic [Miracle]
A mystery distinct from magecraft. The final destination of magi.
"Magic" is that which makes the impossible into the possible, for a given era. A "result" which can be realized with the application of time and effort is not magic.
In the past, when civilization was young, most magi were also magicians, but currently only five remain.
…Well, that's what they say, but there are actually only four still alive.
The magician that handled the First magic already died a long, long time ago.
Of the remaining four, two have disappeared, and two are bothersome people that pop up all over the place leaving trouble in their wake.
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>>115325546
Hipster magic is objectively best magic.
Mysteries get diluted as they go mainstream.
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>>115325546
From >>115323106 link.

Aoko: Yep, that's pretty much it. You know, sometimes you're able to get at the heart of the matter from the oddest of places... Like you said, even if you get to the Root with the same route, the same method, if you're not first, you won't reach magic.
However good you are, if you're not number one, you're out.

Aoko: There are five....no four people who use magic. There's only four living ones because once a route (the unknown) is used it closes (becomes established). Though, it wasn't like that a long time ago. Ironically, the ones who put up the barrier to the path to the Route.....to our arrival at the Truth, are humans themselves.

Aoko: The old magi probably never could have imagined that the more they unravelled the unknown, the more the route is closed. But the result as you can see is that the damage was already done by the time they realized it. After all that studying, magic disappeared from the face of the earth.
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>>115321407
Berserker is Pyramid Head without his helmet on.
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Why didn't Aoi try to hear out Kariya?
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>>115326405
Because Kariya is suspicious as fuck?
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>>115323808
Ionioi Hetairoi
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>>115326405
>>115326462

Kariya couldn't tell her about the worm process anyway, because Zouken can immediately kill him using the worms.
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>800 titles o MAL
>rewatched F/Z again
>suddenly releazed that it's one of my favorite animu
I feel no shame
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What would have happened if Kiritsugu specified what he wanted from the Grail without it being corrupt?
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>>115326827
He would get what he specified.
Too bad he doesn't know how to save people without killing others
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>>115322707
>And the prayer to extend the life of the planet, Gaia.
What use is such a thing when Gilgamesh can use Ea on the entire planet on a whim?
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>>115326827
The point is he can't specify HOW to save everyone without killing.
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>>115326863
And you would know?
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>>115326863
>>115326890
He got the Grail, he asks for the miracle of saving everyone.
Boom, everyone is saved
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>>115327093
Saving everyone from WHAT.
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>>115327118
What they need to be saved on a case to case basis reviewed by a Miracle that can accomplish anything needed to save them without incurring in the harm of others.
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>>115327093
>saved
Yes, salvation in death.
The grail can't can't accomplish goals by unknown means.
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>>115327118
It's not Kiritsugu fault. Angra Manyu is just a bastard
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>>115323824
The damn high jump of attracting every heroine
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>>115323824
Shirou's arse probably inspired her to live or something.
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>>115326881
Right just summon Gil every time shit happens.
EA
GG
LOL
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>>115327216
The Grail can create an entity capable of saving everyone as they each see fit
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>>115324709
It's not totally impossible. Irisviel's innocent as all hell and knows Maiya wants her husband, she'd probably let her join in for a pity fuck.
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>>115326881
Because Gil likes living on the planet and not blowing it up?
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>>115323824
Her brother?

Rin?

I don't even know
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Requesting someone post that image explaining how Saber dodged Gae bolg.

I just love how smug they drew her. Need it for the records.
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>>115327597
We need a new batch of carnival phantasm.
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>>115327444
>>115327508
Shit, do high jumps make japanese chicks wet or something?
>>115327688
Shinji treated her like shit and Rin never once gave Sakura the impression she cared about her as her sister until after heaven's feel.
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>>115327866
For threesomes or New Years? Or New Year Threesomes?
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>>115328065
For edgy immature characters to try and mantain their pride while having to deal with parody hijinx and other nonsense.
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>>115328065
2D Family reunions are the best.
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>>115328183
That's good too. Must admit, the thing that bothers me most about Prisma Ilya is that you don't get enough Emiya family interactions.
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>>115328273
But Prisma Ilya has no gook mistress.
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>>115328256
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>>115328256
>>115328391
Why is it always Archer that makes me cry
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Why are only 5 magics possible?
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>>115328371
She can turn up sooner or later. Kerry's not turned up yet either to my knowledge. Just have them walk in together and explain Maiya as a co-worker/old friend or something.
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>>115328391
>>115328273
This is cute and all but we all know that Iri is the biggest cunt to Shirou.
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>>115328273
go write a fanfic about it, landwhale
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>>115328429
Archer had a hard life. Granted, it was one he brought upon himself, but it was hard nonetheless.

>>115328515
Shut up and let me have my dreams.
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>>115328572
>Shut up and let me have my dreams.
At least follow characterization in them yo.
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>>115325162
this feels like something taken out of monogatari



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