I avoided the Eva rebuilds for years because I thought that the original series+EoE was already perfect, but I decided to bite the bullet and watch the 3 films.
1.11 was pretty much a direct remake of the first episodes, so it caught me off guard.
I actualy loved 2.22. It was what I wanted to see out a Eva reimagination.
Instead if just repeating character motivations, it threads new ground. Shinji decides to fight for what he believes in, Rei comes out of her shell and decides to act like a person, Asuka opens up to people, instead of doing everything by herself.
I also loved the way the movie subverts expectations, like in the elevator scene.
Even better, was the ending, which had me rooting for Shinji's absurdly selfish act. He grows a set of balls, and dooms the entire world for a woman, just like his father.
I was expecting 3.33 to deal with the repercussions of Shinji starting the third impact to save Rei, but the movies just throws everything else out the window too.
Shinji is back to being a wimpy coward, basically ignoring the whole "fight for what you believe in" thing from 2.22, Misato is the biggest idiot on the planet and decides to not brief him on everything that happened, Asuka is barely in the movie is just throws hissy fits all around, Rei, the character that got the most development in the rebuilds so far, is gone, Mari doesn't do anything.
Actually, what the fuck is Mari anyway? It's been three movies and she still hasn't done shit.
I will tell you right now that 2.22 is shit, and if you like it, you're the cancer of EVA. You pretty much have no idea about the characters or what EVA fundamentally is.
>I avoided the Eva rebuilds for years because I thought that the original series+EoE was already perfect,
Oh good you can still be sa-
>but I decided to bite the bullet and watch the 3 films.
Another man lost to the shit that is the rebuild movies, rest in peace.
>I actualy loved 2.22
Well, I enjoyed the alternate character interpretations.
The original series is still there, I can always go back and watch it.
>alternate character interpretations
So basically shallow husks of what "character" used to be there.
There is no characterization in the rebuild series, it is nothing but ass shots, fanservice, and pretty action scenes. It's garbage.
>I loved 2.22
>I thought NGE and EoE were perfect
Are you actually retarded? I'd say that 2.0 was as bad as Q.
Oh, so you enjoy watching cardboard cutouts getting into big robot fights? You really are cancer.
The way I saw it, we're supposed to carry our knowledge from the original show into the rebuilds.
The characters still have their struggles, but deal with them in different ways, at least up until 2.22.
I agree that just as movies, they suck, but as companion pieces to the original show, they're very fun to watch.
I'd say 2.0 was the worst for being just a massive piece of shit in all areas, the visuals were okay but that was literally it, the fanservice was awful as well, not to mention it introduced pure cancer known as Mari and pretended to be deep at the end.
Then again they're all god awful shit, the first one is the only one I would give the honor of making it up to below average.
I didn't "love" 2.22, but I can agree with this. It felt like I was watching a "what if" version of eva. Pretty much what I expected out of the rebuilds.
3.33 is absolute shit though.
>3.33 is absolute shit though.
I bet when 1.0+3.0 comes out everyone will change their minds on this.
I don't doubt it, but they'd have to fuck up pretty hard to be worse than 3.33
That's why I tolerate 2.22 tbqh. A happy fun fanfiction tier version of Eva where Shinji becomes a genki dude because of Rei, and where she becomes an actual person because of the power of friendship, and then he tries to save her with the power of love and it all goes to shit.
I don't know, maybe it's because I watched the rebuilds much later, but if they were going to do an Eva reimagining, that's how I'd take it. Don't do the same things as before.
People will hate as much I'd wager
I will tell you right now that 3.33 is shit, and if you like it, you're the cancer of EVA. You pretty much have no idea about the characters or what EVA fundamentally is.
When 1.0+3.0 comes out everyone will hate it much more than 3.0 and they will all look back at the Rebuild movies the same way they did with VVV when it ended.
2.22 is fine. It's pretty much eva about romance and power of friendship and with character agency.
Shitty, but fun.
I feel the same way you do about 1.11 and 2.22. But I actually liked 3.33. A lot of the story was fucking stupid, but it was very interesting and I still have hope that 4.0 can save it
I'd love a Plinkett-style review of the Rebuild tetralogy once it's over.
Man, I really like 2.22
>Actually, what the fuck is Mari anyway? It's been three movies and she still hasn't done shit.
The clue is in her name. I sure loved how she was literally parachuted into the main cast and everyone, even the more cautious Misato accepted her like it was natural, no questions asked. I also like how she says mysterious things but never has to explain shit. I get the impression you are supposed to like her, but I can't help feeling she adds absolutely nothing outside of another girl to jerk off over.
Can they really outdo 3.33 in shittiness? That would be amazing.
Not Op but I would've like 3.0 better if it didn't spend around half of it with just shinji sitting around talking to himself.
Oooooh that's pretty fucking cool.
>but I can't help feeling she adds absolutely nothing outside of another girl to jerk off over.
Congrats you nailed it.
Haha holy shit, and the way she acts in 2.00 and 3.00 is perfect. Going around like a bigshot as if she has some big secret or is this powerful character.
I feel so bad for Unit 02. Why won't they just let the poor thing die already? At this point, having it eaten by MP Evas would be a more noble way to go.
So umm, is Shinji gay? For Kaworu I mean. Because it looked like he had something going with Rei.
I thought it did die? Didn't it self destruct to kill the Adams vessel thing
I'm yet to see the Rebuilds, but >>115294307 has a valid point considering that, knowing Anno, we're probably getting set up for a mindfuck.
>2.00 and 3.00
>That giant ship goes down
>Shinji enters unit 01
>Rei is inside
>The final judgement
>Komm,Susser Todd starts playing
>Suddenly cuts off
>No Shinji-kun. THis is just one possibility of many
>We'll meet again
>Sudden cut to the first scene of the series
>Shinji on the public phone trying to contact Misato
>Suddenly, someone walks up to him
BEAUTIFUL WORLD, BEAUTIFUL BOY
>time loop ending
Isn't 2.22 just EVA for Gurren Lagann fans?
No that's 3.0
It's EVA for Naruto fans actually.
Actually all the rebuild movies are that.
Oh it's coming. Either that, or Maki suddenly pulls out a pencil and goes "THIS ISN'T HOW I WANTED MY FANFIC TO GO"
Nah, that's 3.0.
2.0 is eva for the fans that wondered about hwo the series would be with actually competent characters
>Rei ever winning.
She does win on 2.22
yeah pretty much
>hwo the series would be with actually competent characters
But doesn't that defeat the point? I liked NGE because I was a depressed edgy highschooler with no future and could "relate" to the angst and pycho-bullshit that Anno blended together with fun battle scenes and fappable characters the first time around. Every person in the show was a piece of shit, just like me. It's literally "I'm a Sad Little Motherfucker Who Just Learned About Freud in 9th Grade: the Japanimation".
So, was it ever explained why Kaworu seems to have memories from the orignal series?
That's why eveyrone hates the rebuild movies, the characters aren't what they used to be. If you haven't already seen them do yourself a favor and never watch them.
It would defeat the point of the original show, but the rebuild is not the same as the series. It's supposed to be a re-imagining, so it works.
Why the fuck would anyone watch the rebuilds if everything was the same?
>things in the rebuilds
Honestly, a full-on remake of the original series would be more fun to watch at this point. 1.0's Ramiel battle was great.
This is actually the thirty-three thousand four-hundred and third time a version of these events has happened. Kaworu is the only one who remembers though, since everything relapsed so many times. He acts so calm and collected now only because his mind has been broken by this endless continuity.
If they ever want to do more eva stuff after the final rebuild movie I would be totally down for a completely true to the original remake.
I really don't want them touching the original series. The rebuilds are fine for what they are (aside from 3.33, that feels like a rebuind inside the rebuilds)
Just get this shit over with so Anno can remake Nausicaa to completion.
Anno already said he's retiring after the final movie.
It better be a Miyazaki "retirement".
So, if Shinji bangs Rei after she returns, is it incest?
Only if you want it to be.
Shinji in 2.22:: I don't care what happens to me. I don't care what happens to the world. But I'm bringing Rei back... I promise I'll save you, Rei... EVEN IF IT'S THE LAST THING I DO!!!
Shinji 3.33: IT WASNT MY FAULT HELP ME WHAT DO I DO
How could they fuck up this bad
Seriously? There are so many other directors who've been working far longer than him that haven't retired yet.
They needed to reset all character development.
>They needed to reset all character development.
I just don't get this. The one single thing I liked about the rebuilds was the fact that all the characters were developing in a different way, while still maintaining the same overall story
Why the hell did they reboot the rebuild halfway through?
kaworu is actually okabe rintarou
shinji is actually mayuri
asuka is... kurisu
welp, if anyone could make that ship work, it'd be one of you faggots
So, it's safe to say that Asuka absolutely sucks at piloting Eva right? I mean, she spends 14 years on the battlefield, is a grizzled soldier, and still manages to lose to Shinji after a 14 years coma, even though she's going all out and he's holding back.
Worst girl isn't a bad pilot necessarily, it's just that nagisa kun is the best pilot of all time. ALL TIME
>Dat Rei piercing the heavens
>Dat Anti-Spiral Kaworu
>Dat Misato ass
I couldn't deal with 3.33 I swear it was like 10 minutes of action scenes then an hour and half of playing piano talking about feelings. All the character progression Shinji made doesn't really matter.
It's crazy how it went from: Shinji found a reason to fight to: Shinji destroyed the planet.
Holy shit, the tone shifht from 2.22 to 3.33 was bizarre
3.33 was fucked. Basically SEELE dropped Kaworu into the atmosphere of a young boy who desperately craved identity and attention. Kaworu then seduced Shinji into getting him into an Evangelion, thinking it was all going according to his(and SEELE's) plans.
When they get to the bottom, Kaworu realizes things might go a little differently from his own plans, and under some voodoo magic, with the survival instincts of a cornered animal(he was literally blamed for the giant red land mass that is now earth), he pushed forward without Kaworu.
It's messed up and it leaves you feeling empty, in a different way that EoE did.
Except that Nagisa-kun wasn't piloting when Shinji knocked Asuka out. Shinji even turned to Kaworu and asked him why he wasn't helping. So no, Asuka got her ass whooped by Shinji.
Honestly I felt like his lines in 2.0 ("I don't care what happens to me! I don't care what happens to the world!")
were subtly setting up something disastrous for 3.0
It's just... 2.22 was the first time I've seen Shinji and Rei, two absolutely fucked up people, showing that much affection for each other. The movie ends with Shinji sacrificing his humanity, and pulling Rei in for a hug (possibly the first time they must've hugged someone).
The fact that 3.33 goes all "Lol no you fucked up and ended the world and she's dead" felt like a huge punch in the gut, becuase it threw all the character development in the trash.
It truly made me feel empty I guess.
It wasn't just resetting the characters, it was also shitting all over who they were originally. Misato got it the worst. Seriously, go watch her final scene in EOE and compare it to what we got in 3.0. It's disgusting.
>It truly made me feel empty I guess.
Was it worse that when your grandpa died?
I'd say that was the point
Anno seems to think that people don't change for the better, even after long periods of time.
Which is horseshit.
This pissed me off the most. She was like a bad parody of herself. The fact that she didn't even try to explain everything to Shinji made no sense at all.
That made me kek, and anyway, I'm more of a misato guy. But I really liked 2.22 Rei.
Or maybe the ultimate moral of the story is not something you can gain from the penultimate movie in a series.
RoE 2.0 is pretty damn good, it's Evangelion without it sticking its head into its own ass. It was like watching episode 8-13 again but with Rei having a character this time around.
I'm just glad that there's no more Kaworu now that he's gone. 3.33 had way too much of him, even if that was the point.
Whatever he does with Final, it won't change that 3.33 was a poorly directed piece of shit.
That's another complaint entirely.
long periods of time have not passed for Shinji
Someone in thsi thread sai that 3.33 felt like they were rebooting the reboot, and that's true.
It feels disjointed when compared to 1.11 and 2.22
Repetition is a recurring theme of Anno's, even in the original show. I'm just making guesses based on what I've seen so far, that's all. Everyone seems to be running around in circles with their personal problems most of the time in Eva. It feels like a "one step forward, two steps back" deal at every turn. Except for maybe Misato after Kaji dies.
Then why are you surprised when everyone takes steps back in Rebuild?
Annos' approach is simply, "Do it again until you get it right." Shinji does the same things and makes the same mistakes until he can finally come to the conclusion that he can love himself. You just relapse into the same loop unless you figure out how to get out of it.
It tainted the remake and threw out the window the unified vision it seemingly had.
Rei isn't fucked up. She appears to be, but she's a lab animal with half a fucking soul. Go have a conversation with her; this is what she'll tell you, like she said to Shinji in 2.22
>They[the fish] can't live outside of a tank, just like me
She is seriously fucked, and the fact that her memories keep phasing out each time a Rei dies doesn't help.
You need to realize that that hug you're describing was forbidden. Shinji hugged his now-deceased mum. That activated 01 and triggered 4th impact. It seems really cool, and the fight is really cool no doubt. But the entire time, Shinji - even going berserk - was just following a formula.
>The fact that 3.33 goes all "Lol no you fucked up and ended the world and she's dead" felt like a huge punch in the gut, becuase it threw all the character development in the trash.
It sorta didn't though. Here's 2 reasons why it might still be there:
1. The SDAT player was restored alongside Shinji in WILLE's ship, for some reason. Many speculate it has Rei's soul inside, since it was there when they were hugging.
2. Rei Q(Q, being the 3rd movie) "woke up" when she was being attacked by Asuka. She ejected her own plug when Asuka said "what do YOU want to do?!" This shows that Rei's emotional side must be returning - she's expressing a survival instinct. So it's possible that Rei Q can return to the normal Rei in future movies.
I dont think that's the same guy
I think Rei's development is one thing the manga had over the original series. In episode 6, she just got moved into the background to make room for Asuka and didn't do anything. Meanwhile, the manga actually made me feel sad when she died.
Then he can tell me that.
I'm not surprised over the steps back, I'm surprised over the complete reset/remake the characters went through off-screen without warning. Imagine watching the TV series while skipping the important parts that develop/set them back. It's jarring and it makes no sense.
Sorry. I mean, she's fucked up, but not in the same mental disturbance sense that Shinji is. She's fucked up in a parapsychological way. Rei's soul is not her soul, but a soul of someone else, also transplanted into an Eva unit. Shinji's just a kid with bad parenting.
>I'm surprised over the complete reset/remake the characters went through off-screen without warning
Timeskip. Shit happens you don't see. Tough.
I'm the same guy as >>115300008
>>115299754 and >>115299462, yeah.
>You need to realize that that hug you're describing was forbidden.
Is this like that "sex scene" from eoE, that endes up with the giant Rei head being cut off?
Also, there's something I want to know: Is Rei a clone of Yui only in a physical scale? Because it seems like they want completely different things, with Yui trying to force Shinji to pilot 01, and Rei whatever she can so that he doesn't have to.
Was she supposed to be a complete clone that developed a different personality?
I think only her body is a clone. Her soul is that of Lillith's.
The audience has more than enough to infer off of.
How about the shitty excuse for having the children still look 14? Everything about it is poorly planned. I can't believe there are some here that defend this kind of bullshit. Stockholm Syndrome at work, I guess.
And then we have Asuka still feeling jealous because she wasn't saved in 2.0 16 years later, when she's supposed to be 30 years old.
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE!!
Seriously though. The original series is definitely better, but enjoying the "alternate universe" interpretation and different character development shouldn't be a crime.
Also, personally, I like to throw one of the Rebuilds on every once in a while as random background noise while I browse 4chan like any other movie I'd throw on. Takes only 2 hours and lets me enjoy Eva in my subconscious before I head to bed.
failure to move on is a theme of the series. They literally didn't grow up, it's made pretty clear symbolically
>inb4 waifu wars
One thing I picked up on in Q is that the characters come across exactly as Anno originally wanted them to, with Asuka being a cunt for no reason, Rei being a creepy, emotionless mannequin, and Misato taking advantage of a lonely, horny kid.
So you're just arguing about everything you hate about it one by one?
Remember in 2.22 where everyone is going too deep in their plugs and everyone's yelling at them that they'll lose their humanity and that they shouldn't do it? Here's your consequences.
It's a pretty damn retarded way to show that theme. Is there any other retarded symbolism for just casually telling a bunch of important twists over a game of Shogi?
>he still doesn't know about the curse of eva
It's a metaphor for how we're all a bunch of losers who can't let go, and 15 years later we're still acting like we did when we were kids.
You could just listen to the OST instead. It's a lot easier.
No. No dude, it's forbidden in a spiritual way.
Look. To start, Rei was fucking dead. An angel ate her. She was dead. Unit 01 fucking put it's HANDS into an ANGEL'S CORE to pull her out.
Meanwhile, what Shinji was seeing, was Rei on the "other side." And then Shinji passed through to the other side and pulled her back onto his side.
Obviously, Shinji couldn't have physically saved Rei, from his cockpit. She was in an Evangelion unit, which an Angel swallowed. The fact that it is shown that he did that means this all transpired on a spiritual realm.
No, not that kind of forbidden thing. A forbidden thing, like something very important in the plot. Using Evangelion unit 01, which was completely out of power and good as dead, Shinji managed to destroy the strongest angel encountered yet, dig into it's core(this is where it's soul is), to save Rei. Rei was already dead, but it's likely her soul was in the angel's core. Evidence backing this is provided by the angel growing a Rei body after eating Rei.
So not only did 01 make some sort of next level shit happen because Shinji wanted it to, but 01 itself IS Rei. When Yui died, her soul was placed into 01 and into an information bank, used for Rei. So Shinji is literally pulling Rei, into Rei, using Rei to go berserk and do so. Obviously it's going to trigger something. That's why Gendou says 01 has awakened. That sort of forbidden thing.
It fucked up the world, because it SHOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE. BUT IT WAS. Why should a fucking giant robot put it's hand in another giant fucking robot and PULL OUT A SOUL? So when that happened, and to make it happen, an Impact was triggered. Something needed to be done to make that sort of magic happen.
You can physically see a giant red Rei BEING ABSORBED BY 01, with the same WAVES THAT WERE USED IN EOE, just before it shows the scenes of stuff blowing up.
So is this Anno getting back at Evafags?
To be fair, that was exposition.
That scene felt like Ikuhara would do, actually.
Are you retarded? This shit has literally been repeated at least a thousand times.
*felt like something Ikuhara would do
Fuck, I'm sleepy.
Shogi is a game of manipulation and outmaneuvering your opponent. Fuyutsuki's revelations pushed Shinji into accepting Kaworu's plan and pinning his fragile emotional state on it. Draw your own conclusions
Uh, yeah. Can't you see the morons complaining about a tiger-robot? Give me a break.
That's all he ever does, anon.
So Shinji becomes a God, performs a miracle by bringing "his" Rei's soul back from the other side. I get that.
But didn't Rei also have Lilith's soul inside her?
Does 01 has Yui, Rei and Lilith all in it now? Are they all the same?
If there was one thing I liked in 3.33, it would be the scene where Rei looks on in horror as she watches Lillith take on her appearance.
Well. See. That's the thing. It was never really confirmed that Rei has Lilith's soul in the Rebuild. It's hard to say, and it looks like Lilith has been heavily tampered with, even before the start of the first movie. It has a different mask and it has a large scar across it, both missing in the original series. It's original mask is attached to an Evangelion being built on the moon in the first movie - again, for unknown reasons.
Here's another thing to consider too: In one of the movies before 3, Evangelion Unit 01 is shown on-screen to have blood type blue. Blood type blue is the angel's blood type. It's labelled as Blood type blue++ or something. But it basically implies that Unit 01 already has some sort of angel infestation.
This infestation also very likely has to do with Shinji becoming a God. An Eva has no way to do this normally, and in the previous series, unit 01 only went berserk when protecting Shinji. But here, Shinji went berserk to save Rei. And when he did, 01 formed an angel halo. Spooky.
Yui and Rei are for sure in 01. I can't confirm Lilith or Shinji. WILLE says in 3 that they seperated Yui from Shinji.
Accept Rei Q is the new Rei that's getting pushed.
>tfw we are all still gonna watch 3.33+1.11 and we are gonna hate it
That's the only way we know how to live at this point.
ano is deconstructing eva as we know it. mari is him inserting a third party, the personification of the audience into the story
robin williams killed himself because he knew he wouldnt control himself and would watch it
I have hope in my heart that FINAL will be the saving grace of the Rebuilds
I literally have to stop myself from watching NGE more than once a year so I don't become completely numb to it, I've seen it at least 8 times at this point
At worst I'll be ambivalent to it.
Prepare to bare all.
Don't keep promises I never made.
Of course I'm going to watch 3.0 + 1.0, once Rebuild is finally over, I'm going to watch NGE and EoE one more time and kill myself finally.
>Shinji will never have his Rei II back
If you're gonna end it all you should probably watch Death & rebirth too. At least for completion's sake
3.33 felt the most NGE out of the 3.
I thought it was implied, my bad.
>mfw there's someone in the world who thinks this
1.0 felt the most NGE because it was a fucking abridged version of the first seven episodes, dumbass.
I can see this. 3.33 tried to recreate all the slow, lonesome moments and long build up to its fight scenes that the first seven episodes of the tv series had. I guess its to make up what was cut out of 1.11.
You're part of the sorry audience that Anno was trying to bait with 2.22. I'm happy he ass-blasted all of you with 3.33.
Also Mari's a double agent who works for Kaji and IPEA. Might be older than she looks, could've been exposed to the curse of eva prior to 2.22 or even second impact.
Eh, I like 2.22 too. Best movie of the rebuilds.
1.11 felt rushed
3.33 felt like it was trying way too hard to actually be eva.
2.22 felt like it was actually trying to be a reimagined eva
>I'm so glad Anno made the third movie shitty on purpose
Fuck off, Anno at his best is EoE, Anno trying too hard to mimic his best is 3.33
>tried to recreate
this is the problem, rebuild keeps trying to mimic but fails.
Ironic because Japan fucking hated EoE during the time of it's release. Why? Because it didn't answer jack-shit and never it never gave them the action-packed fan service ending that they wanted.
It's all repeating again with 3.0.
But chances are you didn't know that because you're a pre-2004 evafag.
3.33 was shit, yes. WHile 2.22 (and to a lesser extent, 1.11) Played with expectatives and put the characters under a new light, 3.33 decided it wanted to be like old eva again. And failed.
>It's all repeating again with 3.0.
except 3.33 was a shitty action packed fan service ending
I can't believe there are people who still think that Shinji's rescue attempt to save Rei is some demonstration of GAR-manliness, romance or shipping fan service.
It's just a new take on the mother-child relationship between Yui and Shinji that was so significant in NGE. Except this time it's between Shinji and Rei.
All of the cyptic dialogue and scenery cues point to this, but I guess it's to be expected since the average anime viewer appears to be retarded or autistic at large.
>Played with expectations and put the characters under a new light
That was the point.
It was meant to play out like a bait and switch so that people could get hyped for 3.33.
>It's just a new take on the mother-child relationship between Yui and Shinji that was so significant in NGE
It's not though. It goes out of it's way to show that Yui and Rei are not the same person, and don't feel the exact same thing for Shinji.
No, you misinterpreted my post. It's the other way around.
Oh yeah, now I get it. While the relationship itself is not mother-child, the weight and importance is the same as the yui-Shinji one from the original series.
Original Unit 02 presumably was lost in Near-Third Impact. The Eva we see Asuka use throughout 3.33 was Unit 2-Dash, essentially a mark-2.
You're forgetting that EoE was one film
Rebuild still isn't over