Really? Was this scene really necessary?
yes, yes it was
>muh deep symbolism
no, not really symbolism
just some faggot who's even more autistic than you failing to understand what human interaction is
What human interaction
He fapped to a comatose 14 year old, there was no interaction there
Yes? It was pretty important for establishing Shinji's character and mental state.
You could say it was unnecessary if taking it out wouldn't change your perception of the character, but that's obviously not the case.
uh, that's the point
>failing to understand
ASUKA WAS THIRTEEN
Oh my bad.
wait what? i thought they were 14
yeah they are, asuka's born december 2001, EoE happens as 2015 transitions into 2016
>Yes? It was pretty important for establishing Shinji's character and mental state.
There were millions of other ways to establish his mental state than having a masturbation scene.
>↑ Going by Asuka's birthday, she is actually 13 for the majority of the series, as opposed to 14 (the "official age" for Eva pilots). Curiously enough, her age is provided as 14 in official materials, even, in some instances, right in juxtaposition with her birthday (e.g., Evangelion Chronicle)!
Like? Tell us one and explain it's impact.
Is anyone going mention how that hand might be hers? Shinji is used to his own, he might want to try using someone else.
Crying beside her bed
Punching a dent in the wall
Slamming something onto the floor and screaming
They displayed his mental state fine the entire anime up to that point without having to resort to something stupid like masturbation.
Sexual desires at inopportune moments that aren't played for fanservice can be a very very good indicator somebody isn't right in the head especially for a teenager.
>Crying beside her bed
>Punching a dent in the wall
>Slamming something onto the floor and screaming
Which he basically has all done before.
Need someone distinct, that also shows his attachment to Asuka.
Fuck off, you retarded tumblr trash. The scene was essential to setting the tone of EoE, and showing just how unstable Shinji had become over the course of the series.
>something stupid like masturbation
Y-yeah, masturbation is s-so s-stupid, r-right guys? Like, only l-losers do it. I l-laugh at everybody who says they m-masturbate...
Who killed Kaji?
true, but I guess the point is that shinji jacked off to a 14 year old girl, not a 13 year old
kinda disappoints me that i'm making that distinction but whatever
well he already was crying beside her bed
i think he may have punched something
later on in the dream sequence he ends up wrecking the entire room before choking asuka
a lot got accomplished by "something stupid like masturbation". Shinji hated himself so much afterwards that he lost the will to live, which had later repercussion (mainly, it's possible that misato and/or asuka wouldn't have died the way they did if Shinji wasn't being a bitch)
What was a better way to show sexual frustration?
It established 2 things:
1. Shinji is even more pathetic than the show cared to go over, and would rather fuck a doll than deal with developing a relationship with someone.
2. It was a giant "fuck you" to all of the otaku and waifufags that masturbate to Asuka doujins and hentai online.
Anno fucking hates all of you faggots. That's why he made that scene, and that's why he made the Rebuild series. To put the nail in the coffin on the shitstain of Anno's life that was Evangelion.
>Need something distinct
says who? Why wouldn't something he's already done be just as effective? Why couldn't they come up with something different to display his state?
I'm pretty sure this was purely for fanservice, if not then that's extremly fucked up and an awful choice from a director stand point.
I know, but there were other ways of showing that without saying "hm, lets have a scene where he masturbates to her while she's in a coma"
Not showing it at all when it's not necessary in the slightest.
>Waah waah I'm scared of sex, please, Mr. Anno, don't show me this, I don't want to see it, I'm scared!
>I know, but there were other ways of showing that
What else could they have made Shinji do that would be so shameful and disgusting?
I want the sexually stunted tumblr idiots to leave.
A SEELE or NERV agent; it makes the most sense given the context.
>Why wouldn't something he's already done be just as effective?
Because doing two things at once usually reduces the impact of the third, fourth, and continues like that. And Shinji's been doing that the ENTIRE series. Not to mention, this was a new way to make Shinji appear shameful and disgusting, unlike the more "He's really pathetic" theme that had been going.
>Why couldn't they come up with something different to display his state?
That's what I've asked you, and yet you've only came up with what's already happened. So what WOULD be better, and different?
> if not then that's extremly fucked up and an awful choice from a director stand point.
He was in a bout of depression throughout the entire of NGE.
>I know, but there were other ways of showing that without saying "hm, lets have a scene where he masturbates to her while she's in a coma"
Not all of them are as shocking and visceral. Honestly I'd understand your complaint if he raped her and it showed him cumming inside her, yeah sure. But all it showed was a bit of Asuka tit and some cum, hardly the end of the world. Or Evangelion.
Anno thought it was necessary. You jugde yourself better than him?
I don't care about the sex scenes in the anime, pretty sure there were at least a couple with Misato and Kaji, I don't care about that because that's part of their character and relationship in the first place and led to actual character development about their pasts.
I already said it earlier what he could have done, hell he could have thought about how he "disappointed" her and hated himself for it or somehow blamed himself for getting her into this comatic state and it would have had the same effect.
It doesn't HAVE to be different and if they wanted it to be different, I'm sure someone like Anno could have come up with something better. Depressed or not I don't see how you resort to this and I'm more baffled people are defending it, it's poor taste, poor choice, and all in all put a bad taste in my mouth right from the start of the movie.
>it's poor taste, poor choice, and all in all put a bad taste in my mouth right from the start of the movie.
Really? Why's that?
Last I remembered his decisions put him in a position to jump-start his own animation studio and become one of the most respected people in Japan.
yes, the elbow cream was crucial
>and all in all put a bad taste in my mouth right from the start of the movie.
Thus it served its purpose.
So the purpose was to make the audience dislike the movie from the beginning, alright.
His decisions for NGE did that, EOE was way later.
>THINK OF THE CHIRREN
Nevermind all the other fucked up shit that goes on in EVA. Let's bitch about body fluids.
>I know what's needed and not needed in Eva
>it put a bad taste in my mouth
Do you not realize this isn't happy-go-lucky robot battle movie #1000? This shit isn't supposed to make you feel good, you fucking moron.
>One retarded westerner is the audience
Shut the fuck up, and please go back to tumblr. You're not wanted here, and your opinion is invalid.
Why the fuck does the masturbation scene bother you so much? It sets the tone well and shows how fucked up and sexually frustrated Shinji is. You say it's "unnecessary" but that could be said of most fucking scenes. Why does the topic bother you? Did your mom walk in one you one day while you were jerking it?
I bet this faggot likes Rebuild more than the original anime
I just noticed, you literally have a tumblr filename
Please fuck off
>So the purpose was to make the audience dislike the movie from the beginning, alright.
Oh man, just look at how much they HATE it.
Yes because it isn't a film that's supposed to make you feel good, idiot.
He looks like even more of a retard when you take into account IMDB isn't even fucking anime-centered.
Maybe someday everybody who likes anime will have seen EoE and so we'll be spared the "What the fuck did I watch" threads.
still better than the shinsekai yori ep 8 posts
Yeah the guy that links to IMDB is pretty dumb
>In 2014, Time Out New York ranked the film at #65 on its list of the top 100 animated movies. Critic Keith Uhlich described the film as an "immensely satisfying" conclusion to the TV series, the climax as "an end-times free-for-all that mixes Christian symbology, Jewish mysticism, sexual paranoia and teenage angst into a searing apocalyptic stew," filled with "sights and sounds you'll never forget," and Shinji's line, "I'm so fucked up," as the most memorable quote.
Oh wow, look at that. This scene we're just talking about, the most memorable quote of the film, as well as being high up on a fucking ranking as well.
>This shit isn't supposed to make you feel good
Alright well I guess when you can't damage control you just flat out admit something is intentionally supposed to make you hate it. I'm done arguing with you.
>Everything should make me be happy hurr
Go watch My Little Pony or something
Holy fuck, you're a special kind of retard. something not being happy doesn't mean that everyone will hate it, you autistic fuck. You literally can't understand the subtleties of basic human logic
>IT MADE ME UNCOMFORTABLE SO IT'S ONLY THERE TO MAKE PEOPLE HATE IT
Man I hated Drive.
I heard it was directed to people that fap to anime
>#65 on its list of the top 100 animated movies
I want to know what the other 64 movies are.
I know that I sound like an obnoxious fanboi but EoE was pretty fucking good, it may even be my favorite anime movie.
I'm not even a big fan of Eva.
Also the description is stupid, the religious imagery isn't even THAT important
can u recommend me a show
why does /a/ think SAO/SnK is good/bad
which faerie from kyoani park is the best
sakura is a worm slut
The religious imagery is literally only in EoE because it looks cool, it's a movie about baby's first existential crisis
They're pretty a shit
It wasn't the scene, it was the line
Again, they could have gotten that without resorting to what they did.
>It wasn't the scene, it was the line
Which was part of the scene. Which was memorable. Which made it good.
>All the shitty FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY CGI flicks on there
fuck this list, it makes me mad on so many levels.
How is this allowed?
Throwing a cherry on top of a shit sundae doesn't make the whole thing good.
>Shinji is on the toilet taking a nasty shit, with a moaning voice he utters "I'm so fucked up"
Yup didn't change the gist of the line at all
Money, dear boy
Gee, maybe you should start thinking about the actual sundae itself, it seems pretty non-shit to me, and everyone else in the thread, in fact it's kinda white and sticky...
#2 is best
Who gives a shit. That's how they decided to do it.
Literally all you're crying about now is that they didn't do something the exact way you would do it. And you're some nameless faggot from /a/.
jesus christ every one of those 'defining moments' was a spoiler
whoever wrote that article is one huge fucking moron
>Princess Mononoke #28
>The Incredibles #5
WHAT THE FUCK
>The incredibles at number 5
It was a nice movie but not that nice...
>Shinji listening to Linkin Park while cutting himself, with a moaning voice he utters "CRAAAAAAWWWLLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIN
they could have gotten that without resorting to what they did
That movie is the fucking definition of a hackjob. The first 10 minutes are cute and then the rest are as generic as it gets
>Ragtag team of unlikely companions gets formed
>Someone's a dick
>Sadness ensues :((((((
>Grumpy guy realizes the error of his ways
>And they all lived happily ever after
Okay, I'm actually willing to have a discussion about this (rather than going "HURR TUMBLR NEWFAG PLS GO"), but I want to establish what your issue with it is. Because it's not fan service - Anno disliked that entire portion of the anime fandom, and the character of Shinji was partially aimed at lambasting those people. So what is the issue with a non-fanservice sex scene, exactly?
>complains about a teenager acting fucked up in an anime about a fucked up teenager
jap bias and animation ghetto
You know, I'm all for different opinions and shit. But would someone really put Ghost in the Shell below something like Kung Fu Panda? I mean, I liked KFP, but GitS is on a different level. Even if you didn't like GitS, you should be able to acknowledge that.
Mostly making sure most movies are things people know so they can feel good about having watched most of them.
Lists like that are better when they aren't in any particular order, best of both worlds.
That actually would have been better.
Have a scene with shinji thinking about cutting himself, it could even easily ease into it by having him bring asuka food and preparing it for her while she's completely unresponsive and yet he desperately keeps trying to get her to wake up and eat it.
It could start off with his denial of her condition, he could spoonfeed her mashed potatos or something as she just lays there unresponsive, eventually leading shinji to cry and consider cutting himself right there.
How can any one call that film one of the all time greats if it's only been out for a year?
Still, it's satisfying to know that EoE appears to be considered better than a few Disney films, according to the list.
No one cares about your shitty ideas. Jerking off to comatose Asuka worked for most people.
I posted that just to show how ridiculous that would be.
And you seriously think it would really have the same effect?
Too bad the ways Shinji was sexually fucked up was also a point in the movie and series, which makes what happened perfectly fine.
What you said is generic.
Why are you so dumb
Shinji doesn't want to die you retard.
Eva has a lot of topics related psychoanalysis in it and sexuality is closely linked to that.
Also cutting yourself is "overdone" but fuck Anno for trying to be original amirite?
I think the issue with lists like these is that they're comparing such different things that you're either going to end up with a genre hierarchy or an inconsistent list based on a bunch of random factors.
Yes I don't like the movie overall but I think it's supposed to show how Shinji and by proxy Otakus can't see woman as anything but a sex object
Exactly, it's like making a "Top 100 live-action movies"-list.
It's just retarded
>What else could they have made Shinji do that would be so shameful and disgusting?
>shameful and disgusting
>motherfucking shameful and disgusting
>Implying you wouldn't just rape her
>it's supposed to show how Shinji and by proxy Otakus can't see woman as anything but a sex object
Do you like fan fiction or something?
No seriously what you said sounds retarded
>Shinji was sexually fucked up was also a point in the movie and series
When and where
His "sexual frustration" was never addressed or brought up or even mentioned, there was no sexual frustration.
Who shot Kaji?
>Implying you wouldn't just rape her
Actually thats one of my favorite things about this scene.
Most people in a fucked up state of mind like shinji's probably would have physically taken advantage of Asuka's body, but Shinji wasn't even willing to do that. It's very much in character for him, even when sexually taking advantage of Asuka, to only jack off to her image rather than actually do anything to her.
Do you not remember any of Shinji's interactions with Misato? Or hell, any of the female characters, including the part where he imagines them all naked and coming onto him?
Nah, that was just fanservice, I forgot.
They try so hard to keep their own personal tastes out of it that the list just stops making sense and becomes "twenty or so of the most widely admired films each according to five different (sub-)cultures."
this anon gets it
To be honest, it was less about pent up sexual tension and more about Shinji attempting to seek temporary and shallow pleasure to console him after Kaworu's death.
>It's very much in character for him, even when sexually taking advantage of Asuka, to only jack off to her image rather than actually do anything to her.
That was pretty sane of him.
It's confirmed that it was no one we know.
Pretty sure anno brought that idea up to Asukas VA because she was having trouble delivering the last line.
Did you watch the series?
Do people not actually know this?
No it's true, that's why he said she was late, they were gonna meet for a date.
Don't forget about the concept of purity in Japan, he basically "raped" her
And you lie too!
No, it wasn't Misato. That was debunked in the filmbook.
Then why'd she come back crying after Kaiji's death?
Daft Punk's Human After All was intentionally made to make the listener feel uncomfortable, yet it's still a good album. Just because you're not supposed to like it doesn't mean it's not good you autistic fuck.
He left her a phone message!
>It's been over 17 years and people still discuss this scene every day.
The only other movie scene that gets this much attention on 4chan is the FOR YOU scene.
I wish that Anno would be depressed again
>he could spoonfeed her mashed potatos or something as she just lays there unresponsive
Is this seriously supposed to be tragic? It's more like black slapstick
DON'T YOU START NOW!
>First time watching EoE
>Every time watching EoE
No, fucking seriously.
Are you 14 years old?
There are literally sequences where characters monologue about his fear of intimacy.
So, he engages in this pseudo-intimacy, in a form where the other participant has no agency and cannot reject him, but the non-possibility of rejection means that they can't reciprocate in any meaningful sense, either.
I'm not sure how you think any of these alternative scenes you'e suggested would capture Shinji's motivations, misguidedness, and mistreatment of others even half so well.
and you think that's deep? is just edgy, just show him cutting and get it over with and stop wasting time with all that shit, like fuck do you even get it? wah wah nobody cares
Yeah I agree.
>Actually being this incredibly stupid
I refuse to believe you're not just trolling at this point
You need to die in a fire if you're not baiting. You're the reason why everybody pounces on anyone stupid, we can't be too careful because there are people like you breathing the same air as us.
>ITT a couple of autists getting triggered by masturbation
That made me laugh even though she is my waifu. Oh, now I feel bad for laughing at that.
Yeah, I'm on /a/ alright.
Come on niggers. That guy is clearly joking. He's not even the first guy.
To me, it seems like a shortcut to remind the audience of the condition of Shinji and goes something like "Hey, remember this guy? He's fucked in the head.". This may be an interpretation, but so are others.
I don't think >>115298454 is OP.
Scared the shit outta me, I had just turned my volume up to hear her whispering "I don't want to die..." then BOOM!
I shat an EVA-Unit.
I came here to laugh at you.
Yes it was.
This isn't supposed to look like a scene from One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.
>01 throws a vending machine through the window and Shinji runs off into the night
Right, it's a scene from Arthur.
>Arthur the Wrecker: December 9, 1996
>EoE: July 19, 1997
Anno is a hack.
It's honestly too deep for you.
why he cum in hand
To be fair, Pinocchio's a really fantastic movie.
They gave It's Such A Beautiful Day the recognition it deserves, so I'm willing to let the rest slide
Where else would he cum? It's not like he's my friend who says when he used to live in a apartment he would finish in the corner of his room of the carpet everytime then wondered if somebody else found it when they moved out
Don't you have some witches to burn, OP? Puritanism a shit.
>he could spoonfeed her mashed potatos or something as she just lays there unresponsive, eventually leading shinji to cry and consider cutting himself right there.
Are you high or something
On her tits, I'd presume.
I do too.
It's kinda like Eminem. Back when he was hitting drugs hard, he was being the most creative. Now that he's sobered up, he believes he needs to be a "better role model". Queue his poppy trash.
I'm so fucked up
Art from adversity man. It's hard to find that raw core of inspiration and creative energy when you're contented and successful and not a mess scraping by
he went down like a C-lister
Yeah. Like to me, in NGE, you can just feel Anno's depression in every scene. I feel that 3.33 is, in a way, Anno criticizing his fans for wanting the same shit, especially when he's in a different train of mind.
>train of mind
the whole rebuild series is just a big fuck you for the people that just wouldn't stop bothering him about NGE
Criticizing people for simple slips of the tongue, really?
It sure is a doggy-dog world.
Comments like these are a diamond dozen
he wanted to fug
eggs would be the gentleman's choice
"Eat this bowl of eggs Asuka, you have to finish it"
>I'm pretty sure this was purely for fanservice
Yeah, my favorite kind of fanservice is semen on a cartoon teenager's hand, that's what really gets my rocks off.
Go back to watching Naruto or something, Christ.
>second impact is 14 years late
Soooo, kinda like that gif of the guy feeding his monitor waifu?
Given that most of the people they asked were westerners, it's good to see that the most noteworthy anime were mentioned, as a lot of film snobs end up with the idea that all anime is tasteless trash for teenagers. A lot of the stuff that's higher on the list are movies that broke a lot of new ground in specific aspects. For example, the original Toy Story was huge in pioneering 3D animation for films. Looking back at it compared to more recent animated films -- especially Toy Story 3, which makes the distinction easy to notice -- a lot of the first Toy Story's animation is now sub-par.
Given how broad the criteria for this list is, the fact that it was based on opinions from a bunch of different people, and what constitutes "best" is basically a crapshoot, the list really doesn't mean much. The countdown style they gave it is pretty pointless and irritating.
>Millennium Actress in the 100-91 section
WINDOW FUCKING CLOSED.
Is not a retared scene anon is just 2deep4you
we still have an impact to look forward to in 2015.
Just read this ffs
>on the list at fucking all
jesus chirst sometimes that movie was so self aware it caused me physical pain from how desperately they were pushing the 'we don't do love at first sight anymore' down our throats, while other times it acted like it's head was so far up it's ass it could kiss it's esophagus.
>WOW who would have guessed that PLATONIC FAMILIAL LOVE is just as true as romantic love! WOW! Isn't that just neeto? becha you didn't think of that.
I dislike reddit but I appreciate things like this
One of us, quite a rare fetish. There is barely any decent ones on ex.
I laughed more than I shoud've.