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>Episode 8
>Suddenly everyone is gay

What
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>I didn't pay attention to the story

Go back to episode 1 and try again.
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You didn't pay enough attention watching the first seven episodes I guess. Same problem with every single person that makes those kinds of posts.
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>>115290283

>They're really just monkeys who fuck
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>missing the point entirely

Go ahead and drop it just like the overwhelming amount of retarded /a/nons did back when it aired.

However, on the off-chance that you're not shitposting, and are actually this dense, go back and watch the wiki-slug episode (4 I think).
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>suddenly
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>>115290405
No, they're a depraved post-apocalyptic dystopian culture that relies on sexual activity to placate their citizens into not questioning the status of their world.
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>>115290270
>>115290283
>>115290416

>>>/tumblr/
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>>115290462

But why did it have to be gay shit
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>>115290513
Because gay sex doesn't result in pregnancies, which means less children they have to kill.
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>>115290500
>>>/MAL/
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>dropped it early on
>picked back up a year later
>mfw couldn't remember who Shun was, but still vaguely recalled him
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>>115290221
>suddenly

Go back to you moe SOL, SSY is too much for your attention span.
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Read the manga for hot torrid sex scenes with boosted Saki and company.
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>>115290688
Oh wow that's meta.
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>>115290221
>2014
>still complaining about gay
Stop being such a fucking faggot.
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>>115290893
this
embrace the gayness
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>>115290500
>omg i dont understand this anime
>oh wait, now that its explained i look dumb
>better tell them to go back to some kind of social media

How about you fuck off of 4chan entirely? I don't think any board deserves you.
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Is anyone else reading the manga? It's one of those remarkably good manga adaptations.
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I still can't believe people dropped this show just because of the homosexuality.
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Would they have fucked
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>>115291271
No, because it's remarkably shit.
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>>115291324
I dropped it when it was about kids pushing balls around.

I've finished it since, but the three episode rule definitely doesn't apply.
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>>115290221
>Suddenly everyone is gay
Did you even listen to the fucking library thing?
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>>115290500
I'm sorry that you are too retarded to pay attention to the goddamned show. They explain to you several episodes before the gay hits that the gay is coming, and why.
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>>115291271
>Its good cause muh lesbian sex fap fap fap
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>>115290221
>Suddenly everyone is bi

FTFY
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>>115291025
I remember when this happened and SSY threads were ruined by shitposters almost up to the end of the series.
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>>115291812
They did fuck in the novel at that point.

Well, Saki gives him a blowjob to be more accurate I think, but same deal.
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>>115291812
I think she gave him a blowjob at that moment in the original novel.
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Does anyone have that Mamoru pic about being the only straight guy in a gay world?
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>>115292204
Yup. It became pretty much became impossible to discuss during its airing. IRC got this one hard.
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>>115290221
>Everyone is gay
>Everyone is bi
>Forgetting about the straightest man ever
He was still a huge faggot, though
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>>115292217
>>115292247
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>>115290462
>dystopian
>magical powers no violence no conflict everyone cares for and loves each other free sex
>not utopian
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>>115292288
Unfortunately I have forgotten everyone's names except for Shun and Maria.
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>>115292288
Their kid could have been a qt if she wasn't hell bent on killing everyone.
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>>115291324
When you consider that a lot of /a/ comes from religious countries like the philippines or mexico or saudi arabia it makes a lot of sense.

Being anonymous hides the fact that a lot of these people are backwards idiots that no first worlder would actually associate with.
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>>115292248
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>>115292443
>she
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>>115292288
I am still massively mad about how Maria basically gave her life and body to this faggot, just to make him feel better before he has his miserable death. I hate time bomb characters like him.
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>>115292457
Which is funny though considering Arabia has quite the thriving underground gay orgy scene. Of course, they are dead the second they are found, but still.
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>>115290221
thats why i dropped that faggotry.
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>>115292484
Boy in the book, girl in the anime
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>>115292488
United States in 20 years.
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>>115292488
at least he got to have a kid with his lifetime hetero crush
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>>115292586
The Mormons are fucked up ten times to Tuesday, but their Tabernacle Choir sure can sing.
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>>115292488
I always found so hilarious that the most delicate, feminine kid was the straightest man around.
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>>115292516
there is no proof its a girl in the anime

>BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A GIRL
young boys with long hair and rags for clothes look just the same as girls
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>>115292217
>>115292247

The novels were pretty hot

Anime ruined it
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>>115292646
The dog with the chunk taken out of it always gets to me.
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>>115292549
But she died without having children. He failed as a living being, did not leave behind his DNA.
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>>115292683
I remember when it was originally airing someone was translating the novel. I wonder if it got done?
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>>115292705
Are you an idiot? >>115292443 is the child of Maria and Mamoru
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>>115292705
I thought the murderous child was Maria and Mamoru's?
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How can we convince Vertical to just release the goddamn novels already?

They licensed those stupid fucking Attack on Titan spin-off novels to ride the Kyojin Hype Wave but we're still stuck with only getting the Shinsekai yori manga from them.
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>>115292776
>>115292777
She died in the end. I was talking about grandchildren. Notice the use of pronouns?

It's the job of the father to ensure the children survives to have offspring of her own.
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>>115292646
Saki calls her a girl in the last scenes, they could've easily checked the corpse

>>115292725
It's still on going as last time I checked, the group is called Cadet Nine I think
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>Get stressed
>Go have sex

They have it all figured out
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>>115292725
http://shinsekai.cadet-nine.org/

Almost... Progress is pretty great.
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>>115292821
You did so shittely, notice how its 2 to 1 in your opinion of who "she" referred to.

Next time have more clarity on the subject of the sentence
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>>115292488
This is how I feel like on 4chan now with all the SJW's and tumblr whores.
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Society won. Everyone lost. No better tomorrow, no revolution, and all the friends and all the admirable characters outside the circle of friends got stolen away in the midst of it all.

This show still gets me.
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>>115292937
I apologize for my poor pronouning.
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>>115292839
the subs label her as a girl, the noun saki uses to describe the child is gender neutral in the original japanese
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>>115290221
I wonder how long people are going to complain
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SEQUEL WHEN? Saki's clinically immortal right?
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>>115292979
What's wrong with society winning if society was perfect in every way.

Name 1 way society could be improved. It's a literal utopia.
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>>115293138
They could stop murdering children.
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>>115293122
Never. Learn Japanese and buy the novels.
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>>115293138
They could stop being so gay
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>>115293186
How would they deal with fiends then? One child almost killed everyone.
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>>115293186
And everyone dies from cantus instability or the child going nuts? There's nothing wrong with post birth abortions if the child was a danger to humanity
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>>115293270
So it's obviously not perfect dipshit.

Squealer's extermination would have been a step up.
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>>115291271
It's a cut down, condensed version of the show which is in turn a cut down and condensed version of the novel, although less so.
The only reason to read the manga is for the underage lesbian sex.
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>>115292996
Just watched the episode and Saki says "shoujo", that isn't gender neutral
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>>115293215
What's wrong with getting a brojob. You're friends and like each other, no danger of pregnancy, it's great.
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>>115293193
I thought the author hadn't published a sequel.
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>>115292288
>biggest faggot of the whole cast is the only straight guy

How have I not realised the irony?


>>115292327
>Kill children regularly
>literally any tiny flaw or fuck up in the system will result in total or near annihilation of human society, as we saw in the show.
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>>115290221
Just posting Saki's ass.

Read the manga.
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>>115292906
>encourage all our children to have gay sex all the time
>society collapses and humanity falls
It's a Pick One situation
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>>115293392
It would be fine if my friend was a hot trap, but not just any bro. All I'm saying is that their society could have been a little less gay if the only man on man action had traps
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Holy fuck, why do people have such difficulty comprehending story of SSY.

Everything in the story makes perfect sense.

Except the bodies of the Kiroumaru's army being mutilated lumps of flesh. That's a serious plot hole as far as I can tell.
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>>115293620
You can probably mutilate them with cantus after they're already dead.
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>Everything got fucked up because one edgy faggot realised he had magical powers thousands of years ago
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>>115292327
No animu or mango. No vidya. No porn. No hamburgers, no bacon, and very limited pauper diets overall. Stagnancy and the status quo take priority over EVERY THING even though it's abundantly clear that their system does fuck up, and does produce the enemies they fear most. Their living space is gradually shrinking, and their domestic slaves are adapting and sharing knowledge about their masters' weaknesses.
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>>115293620
It was already stated how Tokyo was a focal point for the excess cantus or whatever, which warped everything there. That's probably what happened to the corpses.
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>final pairing consists of the girl's third choice and the guy's second choice
Why is Shun so swag?
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>>115293906
>Shun's dog saw everything
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>>115293721
Probably not, considering the harm is very vaguely perceptual. Rejin killing the False Minoshiro gave him mild Death Feedback because it projected the image of a woman as it burned.

And there would be no reason to do that anyway.

Off-note:
People who dropped this because of the homosexuality fucking anger me. Everyone was bi because society had been adapted to be like bonobos.
Understand what would happen if everyone in society was bi from birth. You'd have a disproportionate amount of same-sex relationships purely because of same-sex friendships being more common. The effect ameliorates over time.
They did fuck up however by only showing gay couples in the anime for those few episodes. I don't recall a single straight one.

It's explained better in the novel.
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>>115292457
>implying it's because /a consists of religious, backwards brown cultures that can't into muh homosex
You sound like a dyke from California.
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>>115293842
The corpses of his army after fighting Squealer's army. The battle in which they were disarmed via cantus, supposedly.
Those bodies resembled mutilated lumps of flesh.

...Unless it was a feint by Squealer to make them think it was capable of killing queer rats, and was thus truly a fiend.
Fuck.
I don't think the novel implied that but I can believe it.
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>>115294011
>Rejin killing the False Minoshiro gave him mild Death Feedback because it projected the image of a woman as it burned.
Episode 4, right? That part gave me such a raging, diamond-hard SF boner.
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>>115293466
I tried it was terrible except for lesbian sex
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>>115294205
Start of episode 5 maybe?
I was still so confused by that point in the show, thought it was really some sort of arc thing.
Then when shit came full circle and everything clicked it was just YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>115294335
>Then when shit came full circle and everything clicked it was just YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>was just YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>115293813

This is the part that pissed me off. You're telling me that powers that randomly started appearing in people did not produce HEROS of some kind? With all the fucking comics and do good propaganda we have floating around? That all of the original cantus users were just like 'haha fuck everyone!' That nobody had ANY positive influences in their lives?

It's fine as a story conceit, but lets be real, if people start getting powers this isn't how things go down.
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>>115294043
Am I wrong?
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>>115294707
And I have a hard time believing that all the world's post-apocalypse societies were either sadistic hedonist despotism or nomads lacking PK.
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>>115294707
You realize that there is no Cantus shield right? Heros are wholly ineffective. Let's say you're a hero. What's your great plan? Even 1 villain would fuck up 10 heroes.

I imagine maybe early on the heroes to villains ratio would be 3-1 then eventually it becomes 1-10 and eventually 0 heroes left as people realize heroing doesn't work at all.

There were wars between slavers and evil empires w/e in the history storyline.

I bet at least some sides were "good". Eventually everyone has to learn that there's no way to fight other cantus users and settle down into a harmony all the time society.
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>>115294707
emo kid could've been the very first one to awaken with such power. after that, society became afraid of them. everyone awakening after became defensive and trying to protect themselves instead of thinking of protecting others. even if someone is idealistic and try to become a hero, he still wouldn't be able to solve the inequality and discrimination problems, since they came with a bad rep. at least the X-men have variety in powers and different ways to control or conceal them, especially with Professor X. Cantus is just too overpowered to control, hard to conceal if you want to manifest them, and trying to stop anyone with them is a formula for destruction. at least they didn't wipe out everyone and tried to make the society better afterwards in their own ways.

>>115294958
don't worry. even the people of thousands of years ago would have a hard time believing some of our social structures today.
>pfffft. what's this democracy? only the strong have the right for power and be served by lower class citizens.
>and what's with all these women's rights and trying to be equal to men?
>scientific theories my ass. if you can't explain it, the gods have all the answers.
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What >>115295917 said. Paladins/whatever Lawful-Good equivalent tend to have defenses to hide behind when it comes to dealing with evil people. If you're playing Sudden Death mode, the guy who kills without feeling bad about it tends to win.
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The Monster Rats deserved to be purged.

They were weak, and only the STR deserve to live while the weak envy them.

That is freedom, but Squealer dared to defy the natural order for his false equality.
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>>115295917

1 for 10 seems like a hilariously arbitrary ratio, given that you just pointed out there's no cantus shield. Wouldn't 1 for 1 be more likely?

There's a lot of holes in 'cantus users dominate the world'. It's demonstrated that a sufficiently powerful cantus user self destructs, so there can't really be one user dominating others since they all have a limited power range. On top of this they're also still human and are susceptible to fatigue and can be caught off guard. Any coordinated modern force could take advantage of that. Cantus is clearly a genetic thing, whats stopping established societies from breeding their own cantus users as weapons for use against cantus users? Or even identifying what specifically grants cantus, as it's obviously a phenomena based in the physical.

There's all kinds of folds to this that makes whats presented seem wholly implausible.
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>>115290221
More like
>episode 8
>the direction is still non existent
>the production value is complete crap
>them being gay is the only interesting thing that has happened since the exposition dump slug thing
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I think it's retarded that they made everyone gay as a form of population control. They could have passed out condoms and tell the kids that their dicks would fall off if they didn't use the condoms. Before you say it doesn't even work in real life, SSY is set in a small community where the adults can easily brainwash and rewrite the memories of kids- if you can make everyone gay, it should be way easier to tell them to just use birth control.
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>>115296511
>1 for 10 seems like a hilariously arbitrary ratio, given that you just pointed out there's no cantus shield. Wouldn't 1 for 1 be more likely?
Not really. If a hero meets a villain the hero does nothing... because afterall he's the hero, he doesn't kill people indiscriminately. The villain kills him. It takes a while for news to spread that a specific villain is a villain for different heroes to do a sneak attack on him.
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>>115296684
They didn't have condoms.
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>>115296663
Or you could just make everyone gay instead of building a condom factory or maintaining herds of sheep..
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>>115296764
They live in the future, I'm sure the libraries have info on some sort of birth control

or you could wrap your dick in cantus
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>>115296684
Or they could just make everyone gay... It's clearly the more elegant solution.
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>>115296021

You're creating the scenario from the Matrix's Second Renaissance, which is also riddled with sociological holes. Given the state of modern society, do you think humanity would ever be 100% evil towards robots? We all know the answer is no. Especially not on the scale presented.

The complete nihilism showcased by humanity in SY seems like something only someone brought up in japanese society could imagine happening, where the needs of the group so outweigh the needs of the individual. You know, the often brought up eastern groupthink vs western individualism.
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>muh world building
>muh bonobos
Retarded show.
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>>115296684
The gay isn't brainwashing, it's genetics. Something-something-bonobo-splicing.

Not saying it's a good explanation, just that it's explained in-world.
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>>115296871
>The complete nihilism showcased by humanity in SY seems like something only someone brought up in japanese society could imagine happening, where the needs of the group so outweigh the needs of the individual. You know, the often brought up eastern groupthink vs western individualism.
How does it feel realising that your preferred social system doesn't work in a hypothetical situation anon? Must be mindblowing isn't it?
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>>115296854
Considering that they didn't even have houses made out of concrete and that they used that as way to keep population control, they probably don't have much information of the past. Also, to use cantus you need to have a mental image, how are they going to keep a mental image when their dick is inside the woman?
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>>115296712

If a handful of omnibeings know that its kill or be killed and only one of them is trying to kill things, what chance does that one truly have? When I say hero and villain I'm not talking strict archetypes, I'm talking people who aren't psychopaths facing a person who is. A rational person can very easily decide to kill another person, especially if friends and loved ones could be on the line. I'm trying to talk realistic scenario here, not idealized archetypes.
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>>115296952

>hypothetical situation doesn't work in your preferred social system

fixed
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>>115296871
You should think of it like this.

In a world where the individual is weak and society is strong, like today's world, the individual must be supported and protected.

In a world where the society is fragile and the individual is powerful it is society that must be protected and cherished. Society collapsing is a danger that's around every corner.

If you can't understand that / dogmatically holds onto your ideals despite the circumstances then you are a grade a retard.
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>>115297223
Huh don't follow at all?

Say your position clearly.
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>>115296934
Wouldn't it be way easier to just say "use birth control" than to actually go in and modify genes? Bonobos aren't even completely gay, they're just down to fuck whoever. That part makes sense- the scientists in the past made people want to fuck a lot to soothe their mental health. But that it made everyone only gay is dumb.

>>115297065
They definitely have scientific knowledge- Tomiko was fuckin talking about repairing telomeres to extend her life. Birth control has a long history, so it's not like it's something really scientifically advanced either. Do the adults in that society only fuck when they want kids? Pulling out has been demonstrated to be very unreliable.
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>"Why is everybody suddenly gay" thread # 3204958240

Because bonobos.

Also, Squealer was very wrong.

And I just noticed how the people looking away in the timeskip pic are all dead
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Cantus-users are not humans anymore.
They only look like them. Their powers, the way they act, their society, their culture,... Everything is completely alien. They've got more in commons with ants than with real people.
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>>115297491
Oh and the cantus dick was a joke
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>>115297555
>Japanese are not humans anymore.
ftfy
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>>115297555
am i a weird pervert for wanting to touch the butt of a non-human that is saki

i think that's just regular butt-lust
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>>115297491
>Wouldn't it be way easier to just say "use birth control" than to actually go in and modify genes? Bonobos aren't even completely gay, they're just down to fuck whoever. That part makes sense- the scientists in the past made people want to fuck a lot to soothe their mental health. But that it made everyone only gay is dumb.

Gay is an elegant and permanent solution. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's genius. Condoms is pretty unreliable. You think in all dangerous and stressful situations, when they're most likely to fuck, they'll always have condoms on hand? Hells no.
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>>115297656
Ok, what if they made everyone infertile until a certain age
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>>115290558
Underrated post
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>>115297717
I think gay is still more elegant because you expand your number of sex partners.

Saki and Satoru did have a blowjob in the early episodes. So that they kinda capable of self birthcontrol and they're at least bisexual.
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>>115297306
I'm unsure how what you're parroting is relevant. In either of those scenarios the SY endgame should never happen. Either society supports the afflicted individuals and takes it in stride, or the afflicted individuals realize society is in everyones favor and back off.
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>>115297880
I'm confused what you're saying. In your scenario 1 society is destroyed... and in scenario 2 society is destroyed too because it only takes 1 selfish fucker like that Duncan ebola guy to fuck it up for everyone.
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>>115297641
No, you're normal. That's why most people root for cantus-users despite their craziness (but Saki is hot) and hate the queerats for ther ugliness (only to get tricked by a very obvious twist).
It's basic manipulation.
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>>115297826
It's not elegant, it's really arbitrary that they can make everyone gay and then then straight again. Making everyone gay doesn't expand the number of sex partners, since you're still closed off from the other sex. They're not bi, because that would contradict the whole population control thing that the gay was trying to achieve in the first place. The bj thing happened before everyone turned gay. What would of made sense if they made everyone bi so they had lots of sex while making it so they couldn't have kids, like I said >>115297717.

If they have that much understanding of the connection between the human psyche and genome (to be able the gay on and off), they could just go straight to the point and get rid of the urge to kill random people.
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>>115298027

I'm responding to >>115297555 saying that cantus users are not human, because if I liked them then it would akin to being a furry or somethin
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can someone link me to/post the lesbian scenes from the manga?

thanks :^)
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>>115297958

I'm failing to see how society is destroyed in either case. Society is a logical endpoint, if we suddenly had lawlessness society would reconstitute fairly quickly. It's not like society has always existed. An individual destroying society literally can't happen, an individual can't destroy society without destroying everyone indiscriminately. This is not even close to happening in SY.
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>>115298555
I'm talking about a literal extinction event for humans. There will always be some mental people. Imagine if every human being today has a nuclear and can blow up everything whenever he wants. This is the case with every adult cantus user. That's why it's absolutely vital to make sure everyone who matures into cantus is completely harmonious and stable.

>An individual destroying society literally can't happen, an individual can't destroy society without destroying everyone indiscriminately.

So yes this is literally the danger.

>This is not even close to happening in SY.
Because they have policies to prevent this. It did happen many times in the past, that's the whole point of the story! and of the society that we see! To prevent it from happening again.
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>>115298180
>they can make everyone gay and then then straight again.
>to be able the gay on and off
But they didn't become gay? If I remember correctly, it was said that in their society heterosexual relationships between underage people were forbidden/taboo but were expected to marry and have kids once they were of age, not that they turned gay during puberty and straight again in adulthood. It was shown very clearly that young people could be attracted to the opposite sex, but couldn't pursue them (like Mamoru)
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This anime was shit. It deserved to burn and fail hard.
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>>115298725

If everyone can kill everyone else then nobody does because because nobody wants to die themselves. This is the concept of mutual and assured destruction. This is why russia and america have never blown each other up, despite multiple instances where the apparent answer was to do just that.

In the SY universe Cantus users should have initially been a thing to be treated very carefully to prevent them from going off. Then as they become greater in number they should never go off because other users keep them in check. At no point should the old society have been suddenly supplanted, but slowly subverted.
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>>115299112
You're nuts, sorry. Russia and US are very lucky to not have died. We have 2 huge, rational actors with many layers of safeguards built in. When the weapons are in every joe and sally's hands it's a completely different story. Prevention of them using the weapon in an anti-social way is rightly the first concern of society. If you don't see that...

I mean come on, think about ISIS, think about any random mass murderer.
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>>115298752
>it was said that in their society heterosexual relationships between underage people were forbidden/taboo but were expected to marry and have kids once they were of age
I don't remember this, I just remember episode 8 and everyone was all of a sudden gay.Saki and Mamoru did like the opposite sex, but I thought they were just exceptions. This would mean that everyone was actually bi, but I find it strange that as taboo as it would be, there were no straight couples at all during school and no gay ones when everyone grew up.

If this were true (everyone was bi instead of just gay) it would blow a big hole in my assumption that the scientists had a complete understanding of the human psyche. However my solution of infertility until adulthood is still more reasonable, practical, and scientifically grounded (no psychological connections). Don't want kids? Make it so you can't have them- don't make everyone bi, since there's still a risk.

This brings up another question- what's stopping adults from breeding like rabbits? It's not like people become suddenly responsible at a set age. If they eliminate people that have too many kids, they could just eliminate kids that do the same, they clearly have no problem with that.
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>>115299253

I think you're trying to say I'm saying something I'm not. Obviously preventing use of things in anti-social manners is societies aim. My argument here is that because of how society actually functions SY's history shouldn't have been the way it was. I think we've both outlined multiple ways SY's history doesn't happen.
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>>115299565
I'm arguing for the necessity of oppressive brainwashing / killing unstable children. You agree that's needed?

SSY's history is built on the loss of 99% of the human population. I think it's very likely for society to collapse in such situations.
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>>115290221
Sometimes /a/ forgets that they want their boypussies filled to the brim with cum.

Anyways they explain why they turn gay its because go back to episode one and start again faggot.
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>>115299697

In the event that there's enough people to support such a system, yes. If that's how society deals with having living nukes, then society will get there as long as it has enough people. My argument is really that humanity would either utterly annihilate itself or society would adjust well before the point of SY.
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Shinsekai Yori is one of the best shows I've ever watched and I'm straight, I don't understand what everyone's problem is.
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>>115300558
You can try reading the thread, I think it's people arguing about their problems about the show.
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>>115300629
I read the thread, that's why I'm posting this. It's mostly people saying "shit gay show dropped it like a dead baby" and trivializing the backstory with >muh bonobos.

The show is legit great, if you think it's bad you're just a contrarian moe faggot.
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>>115300799

>>115298180
Here

I like the show too, but there are so many inconsistencies it makes me sad
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>>115300884
But everyone being gay was not society's birth control, it was its violence control. Whenever 2 people would build tension with each other they would just fuck to calm down, regardless of age/gender. Teens being gay all of a sudden is logical since it's the most sexually frustrated age, it's only natural for them.
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>>115300041
>My argument is really that humanity would either utterly annihilate itself
It's this option, only it's not "utter" of course. Society collapsed and destroyed itself multiple times, the remnants built the SSY system. I really don't see what's wrong with this.
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>>115301209
Why can't they just fuck normally then? In episode 8 all of a sudden everyone was only in homosexual relationships. Do homosexual relationships somehow ward off violence in a way heterosexual relationships don't?
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>>115301350
You don't end up with babies.

And we're back to the population control!
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>>115301350
Sex = reduce stress
Gay = birth control
Teen pregnancy = stress = danger

How many times has this thread been made?
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>>115301350
or they could play basketball or something, I hear that sort of thing relieves stress and doesn't require putting your dick in someone your pissed at
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>>115301583
You're a fucking idiot if you think abstinence-only education has ever worked.
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>>115301350
It's not that everyone chose to be gay, it just happened. When you're in your early teens your close friends are usually of the same sex. Friends often collide with each other which creates sexual tension which leads to sex. Then they develop feelings and have lasting sexual relationships. This is why Mamoru, even though he was a giant faggot, was actually straight. He didn't have any close male friends so he wouldn't have a reason to turn gay.
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>>115301390
>>115301399

I was responding to >But everyone being gay was not society's birth control, it was its violence control.

As for making everyone gay being good birth control, I've said >>115297491 >>115298180 that its a fucking dumb solution. If you can engineer the gay into everyone until adulthood you could much more easily make people infertile until adulthood. This directly addresses the actual problem.
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>>115301646
They're not temporarily gay. They're bi their entire lives but society conditions them all into having gay relationships as teens. Good luck making people temporarily infertile.
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>>115301642
In the small community of SSY, education+brainwashing+memory alteration could certainly work.

>>115301645
Saki had the hots for Shun before, why did she suddenly go for Maria? You're saying that everyone being gay is because they spend time with their friends, but that would mean that there are no boy-girl friendships.
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>>115301642
I just think your defending a woefully contrived premise
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>>115301842
>>115301583
And I think you need to learn the difference between you're and your.
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>>115301296

There's a million leaps of logic to be made for the SY society to come out the way it does. It's doing a weird combination of both proposed scenarios, where society destroyed multiple times but somehow an equilibrium is found before complete extinction. It doesn't make sense.

Others in the thread have pointed out the apparent mastery of human physiology that has been brought to bear to make SY possible. This kind of mastery doesn't come out of societal collapse. And if it somehow did, then why not do a million things besides what they did?
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>>115301783
How does society condition them to be gay as teens, and completely revert back to being straight as adults? There are no gay couples when everyone grows up. Even if it were forbidden, why were there no straight couples at all when they were teens? People will fuck what they want no matter how taboo it is.

>Good luck making people temporarily infertile.
If you can make people genetically engineer homo/bisexuality into people, I don't see why not. To engineer a psychological property of humans is way more advanced than something purely physiological.
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>>115301799
I never said they couldn't fall in love with people of the same sex. It goes like this: friends > tension > gay sex > feelings > relationship > more gay sex

But it can also be: friends > feelings > sex
See Saki with both Satoru and Shun, that didn't stop her from eating out Maria.
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>>115302003
>There are no gay couples when everyone grows up.
How do you know?
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>>115302003
>Even if it were forbidden, why were there no straight couples at all when they were teens? People will fuck what they want no matter how taboo it is.
Never mentioned in the anime, but in the novel it's said that girls were periodically checked to see if they were still virgins, and if they weren't they would be "expelled"
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>>115302122
He also says that everyone in their teens was gay even though that one girl was totally craving Satoru's dick. He's just being inconsistent in accusing the show of being inconsistent.
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>>115302151
Holy shit I totally forgot about that.
>>115302003
>Even if it were forbidden, why were there no straight couples at all when they were teens? People will fuck what they want no matter how taboo it is.
Cats are sent after them. Isn't that what was supposed to happen to Mamoru?
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>>115302122
Because not a single one showed up. If they did exist, they would be an important in showing that everyone was actually bisexual and not just temporarily gay, as it appeared to be.

>>115302151
Saki wanted Shun's (not Satoru) dick, and Mamoru liked Maria. I took these two as exceptions of love overcoming physical urges.

>>115302151
>>115302322
Ok, that would explain why there were no straight teens. What about gay adults? There's no reason to not just let them be.

I did consider everyone to be bisexual, and even then, >>115301646 (replace gay with bisexual, same message)
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>>115302548
>Because not a single one showed up
>What about gay adults?
They honestly did not show that many adult couples. You can't use the few shown as a representative of the entire population. Please stop trying to make this argument.

Saki dated Maria even though she was in love with Shun. That's why she wasn't killed. Cats were sent after Mamoru because he refused to date anyone who wasn't Maria.
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>>115302878
I said
>If they did exist, they would be important in showing that everyone was actually bisexual and not just temporarily gay, as it appeared to be.
As important as this is, they aren't shown at all. To assume "they're probably there" is an excuse for bad writing if it were actually the case.

> Cats were sent after Mamoru because he refused to date anyone who wasn't Maria.
No, it was because he was a nervous wreck with poor mental health that could potentially kill everyone. They didn't give a fuck that he didn't want to bone any dudes.
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>>115302548
>What about gay adults? There's no reason to not just let them be.
Because they were expected to breed. According the fake minoshiro, when normal humans still existed only around .3 of the population were PK users and even in Saki's time their numbers were pretty low. And that combined with the fact that they killed kids left and right meant they needed to have as many children as they could
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>>115303580
>they needed to have as many children as they could
Why are they so intent on stopping teens from reproducing then? I thought they wanted to keep their society small and under control. Not wanting it to get out of control could be a reason, but you could just fix that by rigorously enforcing the use of birth control. If a random kid gets pregnant it's not the end of the world, they need more people anyways.
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I don't think a literal analysis of the show was intended by the author.

The question asked is, how do you deal with super-empowered individuals in a society?

Regarding the homosex,
1) Yes contraceptive technology could have been an option, but the show is asking, what if you didn't have that? What if two super-empowered but naive teens have a super-empowered but socially-unsupervised child (as happens in the show)? The adults aren't forced homosex because they're considered trustworthy at that point.
2) Muh bonobos is just food for thought. The thought is, given how much humans talk about sexual freedom and so on, why is it that bonboos are clearly much more sexually free than humans? Mind you, there are other apes, like Gorilla, that are highly territorial and monogamous (or polygamous), while bonobos are on the opposite spectrum. Have humans even yet to become fully developed (emotionally, sexually)?
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>>115303965
Never addressed on the anime or the novel as far as I remember, but the way I see it, teenagers just wouldn't be the best of parents, especially if they are very young, they would probably be way more strained by parenthood than an adult or it would be more probable that they wouldn't be careful at raising their children, and than would increase the risk of stress or creating demons/karma demons, a chance the Ethics Committee wouldn't be willing to take
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>>115303965
Because they need the teens to get that bonobo stress release, but at the same time, it's still a fact that teens are not suitable for parenthood, and would do the opposite of relieve stress.
They need more people at a steady rate. They aren't trying to get a booming population growth, they're mainly just focused on preventing a decline in population.
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>>115304466
>why is it that bonboos are clearly much more sexually free than humans
Pro-tip: they aren't.
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>>115304466
I guess humans are more discriminating in sexual partners, and have devised more means of deescalating social tension than treedweling bonobos
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>>115292217
>>115292247

I'm looking through the manga right now and I can't find that panel for the life of me. I know it's during the summer camp arch but I can't find it.
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>>115304957
Panel? They're talking about the novel.
The manga replaced Mamoru in that scene with Maria, where they proceeded to have hot underage lesbian sex.
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>>115304466
>but the show is asking, what if you didn't have that?
It never once acknowledged the use of birth control to control the population.
>adults are trustworthy
Why is that? Adults have a lot more sex than kids do.

>>115304594
>>115304601
If they really need people, having people adopt accidental babies is an easy solution. There shouldn't be too many since birth control is a thing (can work because the adults can easily control the kids through education+brainwashing+memory alteration). Even if they want to grow their population a lot, having gay people around doesn't somehow reduce the population.

And I keep saying, it doesn't matter if they're bi or gay, genetically engineering human sexual preference as a form of population control is a roundabout solution to a simple problem (don't want teens to have kids? Just make them infertile until they grow up.) This physiological solution should be relatively easy compared to the psychological one the show uses.
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>>115305044
Ah. That explains it. I saw that part, sexy Maria and Saki. I'm okay with that scene too.
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>>115292288
Maria did everything wrong.
ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS BRING BACK THE DAMN MAMORU!
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>>115305268
he was gonna get axed if he came back
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>>115305113
>If they really need people, having people adopt accidental babies is an easy solution. There shouldn't be too many since birth control is a thing
You'd still have a teen girl who would be under way more stress during pregnancy than an adult woman and would be at a greater risk of becoming a karma demon
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>>115305268
Would have still stopped Squealer from killing them and using their kid.
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How do Yusuke Kishi's other novels hold up to SSY? Apparently one of his books has an English translation.
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>>115305113
>make them temporarily infertile
Yeah okay sure.

>since birth control is a thing
I don't think they have birth control in a post-apocalyptic world where they're put back at medieval technology for the most part.

And putting out adoption babies still allows teens to experience pregnancy and childbirth, which is not a good thing when the goal is reduction of stress, where overly emotional events can cause cantus leaks and all sorts of mayhem.
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>>115304716
They seem to be from what I see. They fug all the time with all sorts of people, to various degrees, for various reasons, without retribution.

>>115305113
>It never once acknowledged the use of birth control to control the population.
Yes, I'm saying that the shows scenario is one where birth control seems to be unknown or unavailable. That's just how it is. So the ideas put in the show are a development from that scenario.

>Why is that? Adults have a lot more sex than kids do.
The purpose was to ensure that there were no secret children being brought up with secret super powers. That's exactly what later happened with Mamoru etc, and it resulted in disaster.

Adults having sex and children was considered fine, because the adults had already gone through the screening process in school. The problem isn't sex or children so much as secret children spawning from teenagers who didn't properly understand the dangerous situation.
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Why didn't they just make a cantus for their dicks too?

>you will never get hard again
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>>115304466
>mfw no webm of this scene

the fuck was dis
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>Allow gayboys to live but not weaklings
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>>115292217
>Twelve year olds giving blowjobs
literally what?
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>>115305924
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>>115301966
The physiology mastery is brought about by cantus, so if you add magicks into the mix it's not that strange. The system they came up with is the only thing that's sensible in my opinion. I don't see a better solution, I admire the SSY solution a lot. Feel free to propose one.
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>>115292787

Kickstarter, make it something like 20k, its going to cost around 40k+ to translate alone, so making it not a heavy investment, they will more then likely publish it.

Other then that, we can only buy the manga and that other Novel the author wrote "the crimson labyrinth".
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>>115302151
Whoa really? If you lose your hymen on the monkey bars you're killed? That's fucking harsh.
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>>115305461
>>115305506
According to Wikipedia, birth control has been around since 1550 BCE. With libraries with a fuckton of knowledge, it would be really strange if no one tried to figure that out. They have the knowledge, there's no reason people wouldn't try to utilize it, especially since sex is extra important in this society.

>>115305366
This is true. I want to say that the could just really enforce using contraceptives and eliminate the few did get pregnant and were unable to handle it, but in this case having everyone be gay would be preferable. OR just make teens infertile.
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>>115306360
Like a year ago I remember someone asked in their Vertical in their website about a translation and they said it was the novel's length that discouraged them from working on it, but they would do it if they managed to get at least like 4500 preorders (already paid I think).
Both posts are deleted now, so I guess they didn't make it in the end
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>>115306622
There are no monkey bars, just bonobos
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>>115292787
It's been fan translated already. Just google it. I want to give money to the original author for it if only there was a way...

>>115304716
Source?
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>>115306745
I wish they went into detail about the difference between false minishiro libraries and whatever ones they have are.
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>>115306907

No thats how many they said they would need to sell to make a profit at $30 per book. The signatures went up to around 1000 before the momentum slowed down.

What they should have did was start a kick starter, anyone who donates over $30 gets the book.
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>>115307172
They probably can't do it because they didn't have the rights yet. This is about pursuing the rights.
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>>115306745
'Birth control' isn't 100% effective, while abstinence is.
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>>115307394

>>115306745
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>>115307269

Licensing would be the cheapest part, I doubt anyone is actually bidding for publication rights, otherwise wouldn't be haven't this conversation.
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>>115292247
>tfw when I can only find her rubbing his dick a bit when it's still in his pants
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Um, I find it hard to believe that such a society has no pedos or 13 year old pregnancies
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>>115308670
Why not? It's regulated by the elders to the extreme. You probably can't take a shit without someone analysing the psyche potential of the flies attracted to the turd.
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>>115293620
Because the first few episodes are huge, slow infodumps. Most people stop paying attention when it's SO damn boring.
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>>115308670
Bad writing will be defended to the last autist standing.
Classical /a/.
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Apparently Saki has a miscarriage and loses her child at the end of the novel/ The author is a sadist.
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>>115292457
Most shitposters are first world lowlifes, counties like USA or australia, to even have internet in the 3rd world you need to be at least middle class.
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>>115309571
You obviously know nothing about those countries.
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>>115290500
This is goddamn cancer. Fuck you
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>>115290221
Why is it that all the shows I like sell terribly. This was one of my favourite anime, the gay shit didn't bother me at all because it made sense in context. Watching the series again knowing what squealer was really like the whole time was very enjoyable. Underrated series in my opinion.
the manga is fucking awful though jesus christ. Have not read the novel though



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