Why does /a/ not like shoujo?
What exactly is it?
Explain please, /a/.
They've never seen good shoujo.
I also didn't like shoujo, because I didn't want to admit to myself that I was a pleb. Then I watched some shoujo shows which fortunately made me change my mind. Some shoujo are great and they are much definitely better than their male/shounen counterpart. Take Ouran and Utena as examples.
>why doesn't a board full of men like cartoons for girls
no faggots, wearing a skirt doesn't make you a girl
Pic related, another shoujo classic.
>Marathon a shoujo manga
>Have to wait a month for the next chapter
>Pace moves at the pace of a snail
>Can hardly remember what happened
This happens for pretty much every single shoujo manga I read
I like some shoujo.
But I don't like a lot of shoujo for the same reason I don't like a lot of haremshit and shounen romance in general - men acting like pieces of shit and still having girls falling for them left and right.
So basically, I do not like shoujo because patriarchy.
(also there's a lot of visual storytelling tropes common in shoujo manga that I don't care for in the slightest, but that's minor)
>he's not a little girl
Mods pls ban him for being overaged
Ame Nochi Hare is the one shoujo manga I'm currently reading that I'm enjoying the most. And you don't have to worry about forgetting what happened since nothing ever happens.
Ore Monogatari is also great, and it has pretty much zero drama.
Just read some shoujos that are finished. Onii-sama e, Versailles no Bara, Basilisk no musume, Candy candy...
I mostly don't like the school setting, romcom with a bit (or a lot) of drama breed of shoujo. The rest is hit or miss like anything else.
Most of the time, the feMCs have Women Logic which can be pretty irritating.
>implying sawako isn't mine waifu
I can't stand shoujo lips and eyes in most of the shows.
I just hate the male characters and I really dislike it when cute girls like men I can't stand.
God the second season was terrible.
It was just sadako being a nervous indecisive mess like the first season didn't even happen.
>Ouran and Utena
>better than Hunter x Hunter or JoJo
Awful taste. The best of shounen far surpasses the best of Shoujo, although there is certainly great Shoujo out there. I would actually consider Utena overrated, but Ouran is great.
>we're all little girls right gais :3
Please stop, nobody has ever laughed at this. This is the most cancerous meme /a/ has ever produced.
Some of my favorite anime are shoujo like Kaleido Star and Princess Tutu but most shoujo is pretty much woman rape fantasy.
And? What's your problem, faggot?
Because who the fuck do we identify with? The abusive rapist guy? The retarded, stockholmed girl? The side characters who don't get any?
What's the point?
>/a/ is one person
And /a/ likes KnT and Orange.
Josei like that Karuta one is popular as well.
Learn what a demographic is
>Learn what a demographic is
Learn that certain series that cater to demographics are referred to by their respective demographics in the vernacular
Worst taste in the thread.
>waah somebody doesn't like our shitty board culture
>he must be an outsider
This kind of brainless xenophobia and elitism is exactly what's wrong with /a/.
Enjoy your rape fantasies and yaoi hands, shoujigaboo.
Its usually accompanied by that one art style which always rubs me the wrong way. Some of them shy away from that and those are nice to read but they never go all the way and you still see some elements of that style which still bothers me.
Enjoy your pedo fantasies and faggotry, shounenaboo.
What, you mean the endless bubbles and glitter that's vomited over the screen every other scene?
Shoujo plot is always 'misunderstandings.'
Though I can forgive shoujo leads for being beta as fuck, they're girls after all.
Enjoy your insecurity and fear of male bonding, faggot
I've lurked plenty long enough to realize that this board is one of the worst on 4chan
>we're all little girls right guys?
>purest form of love
>but that's forbidden love
>boku no pico
>I want to fuck X
>hey, X is my waifu
>shit taste detected
>why is she so perfect
>i want to hold hands with X
>b-b-b-but anon, that's l-l-lewd
>i want to abuse spoiler text
>you /v/ermin scum are ruining my perfect board, fuck off before I email Moot
This board is irredeemable shit. 90% of people here are children who cannot contain their lust for drawings because they are currently in the process of masturbating. No other board is as rife with unfunny, cancerous memes, topped with laughable intellectual posturing and hypocritical rulefaggotry. You are all fucking idiots and I'm pathetic for being here.
>I'm pathetic for being here.
Yes you are. Now fuck off.
Why are you here then? A lot of other boards do the same shit you listed too.
I prefer josei. Leads are more intelligent, relationships more realistic rather than a 20 volume buildup to hand-holding, and they don't always pick the dark brooding asshole guy in the end.
I think the characters being adults helps a lot. There's less of the idealized "doki-doki first love" crap.
> comparing Hunter and Jojo to Ouran and Utena
Dude, they're totally different genres. Hunter x Hunter doesn't look like a harem/romantic show to me; nor does Jojo look to me like a school/phantasy drama. Try to compare Ouran to any good shounen harem or Utena to any shounen school product; this is what I was implying by "shounen counterpart".
> Utena overrated
> implying the afore-mentioned Jojo isn't
Why did I even care so much to reply to you?
JoJo is overrated, but it's still miles better than Utena, especially parts 4 and 6.
As if this place isn't just a MAL communtity hangout spot already.
But you just chose the best of the best. You don't have to pic the top stuff to find good stuff in shounen and seinen. Not to mention one of those shows is a parody of shoujo and the other is a deconstruction.
Shoujo are for pansies. Thank god im not a pansy
>Hunter x Hunter or JoJo
>better than Utena
>muh deeper meaning
>muh adult shows for intelligent adults such as myself
Go ahead, accuse me of shitposting. But take a hard look at your own post first. Let he without greentext reaction image replies cast the first stone.
Besides Utena and Ouran the, I'm pretty sure the only Shoujo I've seen is Soredemo Sekai wa Utsukushii two seasons ago I think. It wasn't that great but I liked the idea. Basically an mc being a strong and independent but still calm and empathetic woman. Kind of like Nausicaa and Erin but not that idealized (which is good). I'm pretty sure Shoujo can do better though. Does anyone have recommendations for similar shoujo?
They're all shit. Try to name one good shoujo. God fucking luck.
Sorry, I didn't specify I was talking about the anime. My bad.
I chose those titles on purpose, because they're both great. Which doesn't mean that I'm implying that shounen/seinen generally suck, naturally. Some of them are really great as well.
So according to your superior intelligence, is Utena suitable to children or to people looking for mindless entertainment?
You're going to need a bigger bait
Not a shoujo.
>Not a shoujo.
Oh, you're just a retard who craves for attention.
Eden of the East.
Of course the only bad part about the show is that it's a Shoujo, meaning they just had to make the girl with almost no screentime, be the MC and give her multiple love interests, even though it had nothing to do with the otherwise great story.
>This kind of brainless xenophobia and elitism is exactly what's right with /a/.
Fixed that for you. Elitism is good, telling people to fuck off and learn to fend for themselves is good. God forbid /a/ become as big of a shithole as modern /v/.
>I'm implying that shounen/seinen generally suck, naturally. Some of them are really great as well.
I'd say most of the best anime and manga is seinen and after that shounen.
>symbolism and deeper meanings are inherently bad
I thought Basara was and it was 7 seeds (same author) that started as one but changed to josei early on.
More people should read 7 seeds though.
>implying any other shoujo exists
They are (mostly) the equivalent of Twilight to anime (with the same audience in mind) and we're not talking 'we're all little girls on /a/ here!' maymay here.
They need to make more shoujo for adults.
Shoujo is for girls.
In all honesty I think /a/ is worse than /v/. The shitposting here is sincere (look to >>115282822), while about half of /v/'s retards are just baiting or being ironic. /v/ is more self aware than /a/; it considers itself one of the worst boards, while /a/ considers itself one of the best. I would take /v/irgins over tr/a/nny f/a/ggots any day.
>shoujo for adults
What am I fucking reading?
Man the manga for Tonari no Kaibutsukun turned to shit
Blonde needed to get the point like 2 rejections earlier
It wasn't even all that long ago either.
Maybe I don't fucking live here?
Not that guy, but aren't these 2 josei? Kuragehime is great, didn't like the ending of EotE, the movies were terrible
> more shoujo for adults
Are you high? What you've just written has no sense. It's like saying that they should make more Gospels for muslims or more porn movies for children. Of course shoujo aims to young girls, it's what it's supposed to do from the start.
There is excellent Shoujo out there, equal or better than any shounen, it just tends not to get animated nearly as often. If you're curious what a good shoujo is like go read/watch Glass Mask.
What's your favorite shounen?
>shoujo for adults
Works intended for a female adult audience are called Josei
> Utena equivalent of Twilight
Oh god I can't believe I've read something like this. D-do you really consider them to be on the same level only because they aim to the same audience?
Of the big popular stuff? Probably HxH or FMA: Brotherhood. My personal favorite shows veer more into GitS: SAC, Psycho Pass, Escalfowne and Zegapain though.
>shitty generic artstyle used in pretty much all shoujo works
>MC is always an indecisive useless bimbo, often a complete slut
>Mr. Perfect love interests who are always completely unlikeable pricks, with the looks of a faggy bishounen
>MC always overthinks the most basic shit
>cringeworthy dialogue and guys acting like emotionless alphas, that is until they meet the female MC and turn into overly emotional faggy bitches
>Cheating is a okay!
I'm sure I missed out a lot of stuff as well.
Shoujo a complete shit, and if you watch it despite not being a 14 year old dumb schoolgirl, then you probably suffer from brain damage.
>They are (mostly)
Did none of you faggots even recognise the reference - there was even a handy little picture next to the fucking post for you autists to make the link.
What the hell is wrong with /a/ nowadays?
Is this ever going to end?
30+ years and they still haven't cast that fucking play.
>decent quality animated version with proper ending never
>Is this ever going to end?
I can't see pictures, I'm blind.
gay girl shit
Enough said really.
if you want shoujo try reading hana to akuma if you havent already
its dangerously cheesey and its my favorite
Most of the art in shoujo looks fucked up and I don't like most of the male characters. There are a couple good series but more often than not they are shit, then again you could say that for any demographic and the argument would be endless. I just don't like em.
hahahahaha, nigga that's gay as fuck
Fake shoujo is the best.
Fake shoujo is the only way shoujo can actually be good.
Nozaki-kun is shoujo though.
Stop starting threads like this. It might attract more attention, but I'd rather have a short and civil thread than 500 posts of shitflinging (there was one of those threads a little while ago).
Seriously, what's wrong with you? Thats fucking gay.
Don't you love your waifu?
>Why does /a/ not like shoujo?
Every male shoujo lead is either an asshole or your typical nice guy. There are a few exceptions, but I'm not going to read dozens of manga in order to find them.
>taking the waifu joke seriously
Hahahaha, get a load of this faggot /a/, he actually fell for it!
where on the spectrum would the best lead be?
A bro male lead who you would gladly have a beer with.
Most shoujo male leads just make me want to punch them in the face.
Is he a bro?
Japs are terrible at doing good romance so everyone thinks clannad, toradora and golden time are the only decent ones out there (even though they're not even that great)
but shoujo is like a treasure chest of good romances that people ignore just because target audience is girls, it's so stupid
Examples include: Itazura na Kiss, Kare Kano, Ao Haru Ride, Say "I Love You"... I've only just started watching shoujo but already these ones are better than most anime I've seen previously
forgot to mention Kaichowa maid-sama & Special A were also very enjoyable
>but shoujo is like a treasure chest of good romances
Not exactly a bro, but he carries his mediocre series with his amusing personality.
Kimi ni Todoke is a really crappy example of shoujo, I wish people would stop holding it up as though the same retardedness applies to all shoujo
the entire 35 episode plot was driven by misunderstanding trope
>Itazura na Kiss
Is this shoujo? It's serialized in a seinen magazine in Japan, but what about in China?
I'm guessing your opinion was formed without actually finishing it
The first 10 episodes are soo bad but it completely turns around afterwards and ends up being an amazing story
Suck my dick femwhore.
I watched the whole thing actually, I just don't get how it could cover such a long period of time and have the male lead get zero character development at all.
I've heard that mentioned a couple times but the premise sounds like terrible wish-fulfillment shit. Is it legitimately well written with universal appeal or is it well-done pandering to a specific audience?
Pandora Hearts (manga)
Law of Ueki (manga)
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, he changes quite a lot as he gets older, he comes to realize the value of love/emotions and even begins to respect Kinnosuke for his stupid pursuit of love
if you couldn't see his development from cold hearted kid who only values logic, to a devoted husband/father, discovering love and jealousy and all that, then you must be blind
Not into deranged guys, enjoy your pillow woman.
>the value of love/emotions
Haha, what a fucking beta faggot.
What is he, 15?
Why would you say that?
I think you've got it the wrong way around, when I was 15 I thought the exact same thing, that emotions are pointless and only get in the way of logic, but I pretty much went through the same learning process as Naoki, which is one reason I loved this show
The chances are very high that the main girl gets lots of male attention. This is unacceptable.
This. /a/'s 'elitism' because it won't spoonfeed or tolerate retardation is the best thing about it
Out of all the series you listed, the only one I enjoyed was Kare Kano. I think /a/ is more likely to enjoy the super sweet stuff like Taiyou no Ie, Akagami no Shiraiyukihime, and Kokou Debut. I also enjoy some well-written melodramas like Mars and Nana.
>Ao Haru Ride
I thought this was disappointing, such wasted potential...
what the hell is MAL?
It felt really incomplete to me so I can't say it was great or bad, I enjoyed watching it while it lasted at least
really just needs a 2nd season to wrap things up imo
Mediocre and even more mediocre.
a godlike perfect prince as the male character... no thanks.
Mars wasn't too crazy
The shit posting begins with this.
pretty much why i dropped special a. insufferably arrogant male lead.
what is it about characters having either too little or too much ego?
for some reason that doesn't bother me at all, besides in both of these shows the female lead is also very talented
wimpy male leads are worse
What did /a/ think of PSME?
I like the sci-fi stuff but thought the characters and story weren't that great. Not bad, but not one of my favorites.
It's like you never read the manga.
Towards Terra is a shoujo
why cant manga just be a separate board, sick of you faggots commenting on every anime thread as though you think people give a shit about your little comic books
I believe it was published in a shounen magazine, though it is written by a famous shoujo mangaka.
I haven't read or watched it yet - anime or manga?
Considering this is a shoujo thread it should be expected.
I want an anime. Asuka is, once again, best girl.
There's nothing more boring than a story about successful love.
>insecure hippo betaf/a/g types who hate shoujo claiming it's cliched but hail crap shounens as good anime
>/a/utists who think that Kimi ni Todoke is The Shoujo Manga
>1 or 2 who actually have good taste
ah, /a/. What would I do without you?
I know sdf macross isn't shoujo, but....
More like ITT:
>anons who don't watch shoujo and hate every shoujo
>anons who overrate most shoujo series
Ah yes, no shoujo thread can be complete without a hambeast who throws a bitchfit and starts complaining about /a/ whenever someone points out her shit taste.
that poster was right though
There's been a lot of shoujo threads lately
And no shoujo thread is complete without these posts.
It's to be expected, considering that shoujo is complete shit.
That poster isn't here yet, she's probably tired from trolling the thread prior to this. Enjoy the thread while you can.
Don't believe everything you think.
So, have you ready any good shoujo manga? Or anything else you enjoyed?
I figure we might as well post some stuff to spark discussion.
Fantastic shoujo and josei manga:
Chang Ge Xing (if it counts)
Rose of Versailles
Petshop of Horrors
Decent shoujo/josei manga I thoroughly enjoyed:
Taiyou no Ie
Akagami no Shiraiyukihime
Library wars: Love and war
Red River (Anatolia Story)
Kodomo no Omocha
Himitsu - The Top Secret
Some more stuff worth mentioning:
Please Save My Earth
A Cruel God Reigns
That's one of my favorites, too.
I think it's near the end. Just let the mangaka take another 10-year hiatus and she'll finish it up soon. Speaking of which, there's like 10 volumes that haven't been scanlated.
Gunslinger Girl if that counts. Otherwise, Ashita no Joe.
>unironically liking aSHITa no joe
Its good. Not amazing but basically the shoujo most cliche shoujo are modeled after but somehow feels refreshing. Second half is much better than the first. The main couple in the beginning are annoying but become endearing as they grow.
Good to see this was no less terrible than the earlier Shoujo thread
Josei is bitches and whores incarnate
Might as well watch Jerry Springer or Jeremy Kyle
I dropped it at episode 18 way back in 08 or something. Was I wrong?
>community xenophobia is bad
The manga is pretty shit in the second half. The part the anime doesn't cover thankfully.
I hope youre not implying
Should have figured it was a ham harlot.
Implying what? It's a good shoujo
I wanna fuck that duck
Utena was boring.
There's a lot of interesting shoujo manga that are completed but not fully scanlated.
They're all teenage girl fanfics. Completely unrealistic and shameless. As a female, they're a guilty pleasure.
>shoujo for adults
All anime is unrealistic and shameless.
because most shoujou portray girls as sluts who'd sleep with a cute boy while still in highschool
Seems pretty realistic to me. The global average age to lose your virginity is 17.
only for girls who arent raised properly
I don't see why this is so silly I mean there are plenty of shounen for adults, for example Jojo so I don't see why a shoujo for adults would be impossible.
What's a Josei for kids?
But the stereotypical shoujo manga is all about super pure love and all that shit - at least, that's how they're parodied. Isn't there a contradiction there?
Shoujo a shit because of the simple fact that you know who's going to win, but the woman is the cause of her own destruction.
Journey not the destination. Japan is fucking garbage at endings, period.
The problem is that I know the destination is a shit and the journey is never new. It's always the same god damn thing over and over. She is never faithful. NEVER FAITHFUL throughout the entire thing.
Here's your typical Shoujo plot:
Average MC girl somehow gets a tall super handsome guy to like her for some arbitrary reason.
They start dating and you get a ton of stupid misunderstandings and drama. Most of which could be cleared up with a single conversation.
They end up sleeping together in a 20 page scene full of flowers and "deep emotional" dialogue. This happens 20 chapters later than it should.
Then they graduate Highschool and you get a few pages showing them married with kids in 10 years.
I don't dislike shoujo.
You missed the rivals and the girl breaking up with the MC a few times for stupid reasons.
>Average MC girl somehow gets a tall super handsome guy to like her for some arbitrary reason.
>They start dating and you get a ton of stupid misunderstandings and drama. Most of which could be cleared up with a single conversation.
So it's any high school anime with a romance plot
> know who's going to win
This is probably the reason I find shoujo so refreshing, I'm sick to death of every anime being harem or some kind of awkward lover's triangle
anything other than just 2 people in love shouldn't even be called a romance
destination with shoujo/romance is always best, journey is always amazing and I dont have a clue what you're talking about, never faithful? wut? guarenteed happy endings is one of the best parts of shoujo
Maybe I should surround myself with bouquets of flowers when I jerk off from now on
>a lack of them is inherently good
it's almost like we have opinions or something
I can't speak for anime but shoujo manga is hilarious and filled with fucked up shit like rape and alpha males with harems. Remove the main girl and /a/ would love it.
> never faithful? wut?
Maybe he only watched/read Nana.
7 Seeds is one of my favorite and I really loved Basara too.
I started reading Petshop of Horrors and it's pretty neat, it's the sort of little horror stories I enjoy.
It's been a while since I read Cat Street but I remember it being nice.
On the subject of fantastic josei, there's also Honey & Clover.
Right now I'm reading Akimi Yoshida's Kamakura Diary, it's pretty sweet slice-of-life with some heavy elements treated soberly. It gives the story a strange and unique feel, I'm quite fond of it.
Oh and I also really enjoy Chihayafuru.
Piece was quite good but I didn't really like the love interest, the story of how he was raised was pretty interesting and twisted but his relationship with the MC felt boring and not relatable to me.
>ton of stupid misunderstandings and drama
that is just examples of poorly written, bad shoujo
they're hardly all like that
besides, you could make an equally shitty summary of typical shounen, doesnt mean genre on the whole is somehow crap
Replace the genders and same with shounen.
I disagree completely.
Shounen is equally crap, for the exact reasons you said.
How many fucking times does it need to be said that Shounen isn't a genre
>I'm sick to death of every anime being harem or some kind of awkward lover's triangle
But this makes it interesting. You get to see how each of the characters develop and who wins in the end. Shoujo does the same exact thing, but you already know the other guys are going to get BTFO and the main male rarely ever changes from the first chapter.
All Shoujo can basically end in one chapter if everyone could be honest with each other.
>guarenteed happy endings is one of the best parts of shoujo
>Akimi Yoshida's Kamakura Diary
Is it scanned?
Because it's for fujo's and young girls.
>inb4 we're all little girls
You just posted a picture of poorly written, bad shoujo.
No, I think there's only something like two chapters. I can read it be cause it's being published in my country.
Has anyone heard of the series Warau Daitenshi?
I noticed it was listed in the top 50 manga series by Japan’s Agency for Cultural Affairs.
If you think its bad, your taste is bad.
What if I dislike both haremshit and shoujoshit?
You know what girl is going to "win" on shounen since episode 1. Also, the tsundere wins almost as much as the shoujo jerk wins.
Anime & manga is just terrible at romance, it's so obvious both the writers and the audience have near-zero or zero experience on romance. The only saving grace of shoujo over shounen romance is that as a male, I can see why 2 hunks are after the FeMC but I can't see any reason why the waifus are after the harem lead. Submissiveness and cuteness are valued on females, not on males.
I dislike all Xshit but there are a couple harem and shoujo series that aren't shit, just like every genre or demographic.
This is not true.
Japan doesn't know how to write romance or drama so Shoujo is double awful. I like to pretend it's just a cultural thing and not because of dog shit writers.
doesn't that fit with harem being male wish fulfillment
As usual I can choose both.
What do you guys think of Akatsuki no Yona?
The only good reverse harem I've ever seen is Ouran and I know this will always be true.
I like the setting, but I'm not fond of the characters (particularly the MC's harem). I dropped it, but I might end up marathoning the manga when it finishes - I'm running out of stuff to read.
>or tolerate retardation
Are you aware of what thread you are in?
And maybe Kamisama, which I need to finish
It's still ongoing.