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Guide (Start here): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA

DJT Reading List (Add what you read here):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DkEYXMc9vKmrPFwVUrKdzT9UgDQV6JS0V7XhYuTCgto/edit?usp=sharing

Resources: http://pastebin.com/w0gRFM0c

Previous thread: http://archive.moe/a/thread/115238066
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できない
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>>115274354
すてきな恋人できる、かしら
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If you had to sum up your entire quest of learning Japanese into one single tip to a beginner, what would it be? I think it'd be interesting to hear.

Mind is, study every day no matter what. Simple but very important.
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>>115274608
fuck quality and go for quantity
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>>115275270
i'll fuck ur mom
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>>115274608
FIFTY TIMES IN YOUR MOTHERFUCKING NOTEBOOK. YOU BITCH.
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>>115274608
Stop looking at ways to study it and actually study it. The sooner you start, the sooner you will make progress
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>>115274608
"Don't."
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>>115274608
Don't undervalue listening practice. You'll have read thousands of hours by the time you get really good at reading, and you need to do the same for listening.
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So far one of my favourite Japanese things is that you can just say cool shit like 作戦変更 and nobody blinks.
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>>115275326
Only fifty? What scrub-tier shit is this?
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>>115275326
fuck off
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>>115276068
Don't neglect the written form, anon. It's one of the more fun things about this language. :^)
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>>115275326
KANPAI
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退廃的
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>>115274608
"Get an amphetamine prescription."

I can't even imagine how much I would have accomplished and where I would be right now if I had started taking this stuff several years earlier instead of when I was nearly 25.
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魚油!魚油!
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>>115276504
ebin maymay
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>>115276556
Its that time again
Time to meme it up

Le amphetamine riddled can't learn Japanese sortie le reddit a shit playing bravely default saying fuck daiz
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>>115276556
>>115276758
>Amphetamines
>Meme
That's like saying anki is a meme.
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>>115276827
>he thinks Anki isn't a meme
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What's a good, thin Japanese font that don't connect り?
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Posting the to love ru meme!

I really like how refreshing this art is. A lot of people demean TLR as just harem antics, which it is, but it's art and characters are far and above superior to most I've seen n harems. Easy modo Japanese too.
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>>115276827
>mfw forgot to put anki
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>>115275326
If anybody is curious as to actually what actually doing this looks like, here it is.

My tip: Just fucking do it
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>>115276504
It's better to take it when you're older. It doesn't feel the same if you take it as a kid. My mother put me on adderall when I was 12 and it just made me feel like a zombie. Didn't take it again until I was 20 and the same dose felt completely different.
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>>115277023
Shitting captcha
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>>115277023
It doesn't help at all
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>>115277100
Anon, I'm sorry.
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>>115277068
What a shit figure
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>>115277100
for you it might not, but for me it definitely does.
different anon btw
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>>115277068
about how many can you write from memory? I'm around the 200 mark after a month and a half or so and it's pretty fun though I'm wondering if after a sort of point it gets significantly tougher
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>>115277068
Holy shit, 齧る is from 漢検1級
Keep doing that and you'll be better than most Japanese in Kanjis
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Anyone else have trouble sticking with VNs when you try to use them for reading practice? I might know the grammar and a lot of the vocab, but the way that VNs are written makes it difficult to stick with them unless you can quickly and effortlessly read it.

Manga is the easiest because it's non-stop dialog and novels aren't too hard to stick with either, but VNs are filled with so much inane slice of life filler. I'd imagine it feels cozy to read it if you can read sentences in two or three seconds, but when you're still learning the language then it's torture to read line after line after line of slice of life that doesn't advance the plot in any meaningful way.
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>>115277461
Test levels are irrelevant. 齧る is a relatively common word.
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>>115277520
most Japanese will find it easy to read, but difficult to write
and I'm pretty sure 夥しい in 漢字 isn't common either
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>>115277356
What does it help you with? Other than producing handwritten Japanese, I can't think of anything useful that writing would do for me. Won't improve my listening, won't improve my reading comprehension, and it's been months since I passed the point where I was still mixing up kanji and getting confused when I looked at words.
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>>115277510
After a few VNs I figured out that only the "best" ones are worth reading. The rest tend to be pretty boring. It's a huge difference with the best VNs, because even the slice of life is more entertaining.

Although definitely any narration will make stuff a bit harder if you're not used to the language, but that's also where most of the interesting vocabulary is.

>>115277610
The word isn't particularly common, but I don't think it's that weird to write it in kanji. I guess the only stuff I would think of as "super crazy maniac only tier" is the stuff that most people can't even read.

Personally I don't write anything.
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>>115277510
>reading VNs
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>>115277322
I-I have Snail and a Takemikazuchi too...

>>115277393
I quit doing anki and writing two years ago or so, so probably not much at this point. I only really needed reading skills. Writing was a way to reinforce it for me.

>>115277520
Pretty much.
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>>115274608
have fun
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This site is a good source of novels online. Thought I'd share with you guys who want to practice.
http://yomou.syosetu.com/
Most of them are sword and sorcery stuff, and I think they have proper grammar.
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How can you guys bare through kanji? When I got to kanji this shit got so hard and boring that I had to quit
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>>115276827
it is
>I must do a bajillion cards in only 3 hours!
congrats you memorized a bunch of disjointed words
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>>115277728
>I only really needed reading skills.
Would you say you still have problems reading?
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>>115277716
Oh I thought you practiced those to write.
これからもご武運を
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>>115277675
it helps with recognition
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>>115276887
That's a bit of a weirdly specific requirement for a font.
It's a bit like asking for a roman font without a double-story 'a'.
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>>115278012
I personally found it fun.

>>115278032
Not to worry, anon.

>>115278062
I still write a bit, but it's really deteriorated at this point. It mainly helped me with recognizing handwritten kanji.
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>>115276887
Not sure if it's a good font but MSゴシック doesn't
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>Try to read modern English literature
>The books are written by normies and all of the characters are normies. Even supposedly shy characters behave with an unrealistic level of confidence and charisma.
>Can't relate at all. Never developed an interest in normal English literature.

>Learning Japanese with the expectation of spending my time consuming literature written by Japanese otaku and other social pariahs
>The self-insert protagonists are completely nuts and so passive aggressive that it's hard to like or relate to them at all.
>Start reading some normie Japanese literature. It's entertaining and I can relate to the feelings of the characters, they seem to be somewhere in between confident English normie and socially crippled Japanese otaku.

Did learning Japanese make you realize that you have more in common with Japanese normies than Japanese otaku? It was a shocking and disturbing realization to suddenly find myself standing with the enemy camp.
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>>115278247
スゲー
おめでとう
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>>115278247
Wow you must be one of the few DJT success stories
And you still have problems reading?
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>>115278311
Truly your heart is that of a native Japanese.
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>>115278311
what the hell? i hope you're not thinking of the hunger games as modern literature. maybe you're not cut out for literature.
>>115278348
>you must be one of the few DJT success stories
everyone here that is reading and persisting and improving is a success story in the making. once you pass a certain point there's not much chance of you giving up or failing
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>>115278348
DJT has a few more N1s as I recall, or we used to anyway.
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祇園精舎の鐘の声
諸行無常の響きあり
沙羅双樹の花の色
盛者必衰の理をあらわす
おごれる人も久しからず
ただ春の夜の夢のごとし
たけき者もついには滅びぬ
偏に風の前の塵に同じ
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>>115277100
>>115275326 (You)
For the kana, nah, you can learn that easily without having to write it down much. However, for kanji, I think it helps a lot, especially since you get to actually take decent notes once you get it down.

I don't think you should do it for every single kanji you learn, or fifty god damn times, but when you're studying grammar or something, you'll remember not only the rules of grammar which are illustrated a lot fucking better with kanji-kana than in shit roman-type, but you'll be more intimately familiar with the actual segments that make up a kanji in practice, rather than just the individually-written form of a bunch of radicals. Not only that, but viewing/writing actual strokes are pretty great for recognition, rather than just looking at pristine vectorized lines. Even with my horrible handwriting and vehement dislike of paper and graphite, I still like to write a line or two of an individual kanji on the back of the page and then write down the example sentence+explanation

You do take notes, right anon?
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>>115278472
>You do take notes, right anon?
What's the point? If I forget a grammar point I just look it up on Tae Kim, or DOJB. Writing notes won't help much.

Also, I hope that notebook page is from years ago.
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>>115278540
Days. :^)
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>>115278540
I can read his Japanese better than his English, maybe he has nerve damage in his hands or something.
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>>115278472
>However, for kanji, I think it helps a lot, especially since you get to actually take decent notes once you get it down.
Maybe it helped you, but for most of us I think we can recognize stuff decently without doing that.

>You do take notes, right anon?
Certainly not. Notes are dumb.
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>>115278574
Okay, well, you're still in the Basic section of Tae Kim, so rather than "blind lead the blind", it's "amateur talking above himself". Do as you like but be aware.. you're like a little leagure describing batting techniques to Babe Ruth (me).
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>>115278472
>my horrible handwriting

The first stroke in 誰 should be going left-to-right, not right-to-left.
The vertical stroke in 生 should extend visibly through the top of the topmost horizontal stroke.
There's shouldn't be a hook at the end of the last stroke of い

Disregard this if you don't give a shit about improving your handwriting. Unless you're planning on living in Japan, you'll probably never actually need legible Japanese handwriting.
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a bunch of sub N2 retards bashing N1 sensei, 良いDJT
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>>115278813
I don't think the guy who is still taking notes on Tae Kim is N1先生
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>>115278722
Thanks
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>>115278406
>what the hell? i hope you're not thinking of the hunger games as modern literature.
I haven't read that, but out of the English books that I've read I've never found any of the characters likeable or easy to relate to. Maybe it has something to do with the nature of the language. For example, "Give me the book" and "If it's not too much trouble, could you please be so kind as to pass me the book?" The second example sentence is technically the polite one, but people usually only talk like that when they're being a sarcastic asshole, so if you're reading and you can't hear the tone of voice then by default English ends up sounding either too coarse or too disingenuous and snarky. Japanese is much clearer in expressing this though and there's less room for interpreting a character's personality as something different from what the author intended.

Overall, English isn't a particularly friendly language. It makes everyone sound like an asshole
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>>115279206
On the other hand, polite language belies the true feelings of the speaker. English is more genuine, I think.

Also, you must be reading the wrong literature. Read Grapes of Wrath and tell me Casy isn't likable. Read Crime and Punishment and tell me Dmitri Prokofich Razumikhin isn't the broest mother fucker you've ever seen. Try to be less superficial with judging characters.
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>>115278585
>nerve damage in his hands or something
Just bad habits and a bad work ethic

I'm actually pretty glad to know that I'm way low down on the /djt/ totem pole, since it gives me a lot to look up to.
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>>115279206
>I've never found any of the characters likeable or easy to relate to
You gotta read you some To Kill a Mockingbird. Atticus Finch is one upstanding motherfucker.
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>>115279381
>Grapes of Wrath
>Crime and Punishment
>modern literature

>Crime and Punishment
>English literature
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>>115279467
Not that guy, but I wasn't really blown away by him. Alright, he stood up for a minority in a racist world...except it's fictional and characters can be heroic as fuck without really facing the consequences because of plot power or live with the consequences because they're fiction. Just a Mary Sue.
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Why does Linux font look so squishy? Lack of serifs?
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>>115278247
How long did that take you anon?
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>>115279206
>I've never found any of the characters likeable or easy to relate to

The problem, as always, is the Baby Boomers. There are plenty of likeable characters in English books written before the Baby Boomers. They ran the western world straight into the ground and then salted the earth so that future generations would be just as bad.
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>>115279708
Linux is a shitty OS if your language isn't written in latin scripts. The terrible support compared to the English experience is what deterred me from switching to Linux for any meaningful amount of time. Even on 2ch, if you ask about making Linux more Japanese you just get told "lel fucking learn English you pleb"
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>>115279661
One of the more clever devices used in the book is writing it from Scout's point of view. It's a little disingenuous to describe him as a Mary Sue when the book is deliberately written from the perspective of someone who idolizes him.

>without really facing the consequences
Did you perhaps not read the part where they literally try to murder his children.
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I've been trying to build my endurance for prolonged periods of studying. I've been practicing with 20 minutes sets at a time and I'm finding it hard to do another set even with a short break, I still do it but I feel a bit drained, bit sleepy, and sluggish for the first part. I get a bit re energized when I get the ball rolling again.
Can I get some nutritional advice so I can keep my brain healthy. Which vitamin should I start taking and what foods should I avoid.
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>>115279489
I was just throwing out books I like, and grapes of wrath is pretty modern to me.
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>>115279955
Like I said, he's not shitting real. I'll be impressed with a real person, but fictional heroism without strong internal monologue to back it up is always just Mary Sue to me. Scout's POV is a cop out so that the reader can just assume there's some noble cause or moral stand behind the actions without the writer needing to actually do the real thinking.
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>>115279805
The font looks pretty, just kind of squishy. The IME is almost identical to google ime after setting it up. I'm pretty sure I can install the windows gothic font if I really want to. Switching the display language and date/time format to Japanese took about 1 second and I can switch anytime just by logging in and out. You can't do that in Windows without Ultimate, otherwise you're stuck searching for fonts on the internet.
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>>115279994
fuck off
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>>115279661
>Just a Mary Sue.
you don't even know what that is you piece of shit
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>>115279994
Just push through. People on DJT can pull those 16 hour study sessions because they've reached the point where most of their "studying" has become entertainment. As soon as you start reading things at even a slow speed then the amount of time that you can invest in Japanese without feeling fatigued begins to skyrocket.
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>>115279994
Studying is a skill, too. You get better at it by continually doing and building off of it.
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>>115280209
reading native material is more "practicing" than "studying". not everything that benefits your understanding of something is studying.
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>>115280025
I would consider "modern" to only really be stuff where you feel like your life experience applies to the world described.

Maybe stuff in the 60s like Catch 22 and Cat's Cradle apply, but that's still borderline.
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>>115280248
It's the only "studying" I even do though. Other than literally 30 minutes of anki every night which still feels like torture somehow. I don't even know if the anki helps or not anymore but I'm too afraid to drop it.
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>>115280336
>where you feel like your life experience applies to the world described.
When I read "The Brothers Karamazov", I could completely related to the world and characters. I got really emotional a lot of the time because it felt like the author was speaking directly to/about me. Though it was a bit off-putting to hear about people casually mentioning starvation as a cause of death. You don't really hear about that nowadays, most people in America don't really "starve" but back then it was easy for someone to just up and starve.
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>tfw I didn't start anki until I was already reading VNs somewhat comfortably
>My cards never got higher than 200 or so a day, and that was only when I was reading Nitro+ shit and starting a deck on yojijukugo that I downloaded at the same time.
>since my reps never got high enough to traumatize me I don't mind doing my 10-15 minutes of anki a day at all.
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>>115280469
羨ましいな
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>>115280248
If you look at it that way then studying becomes practically nonexistent after a relatively early point in the language because consuming native material is what guides you for the majority of the language learning process. Tae Kim grammar covers around an intermediate level of grammar, but everything after that point is going to be grammar that you learn about by seeing it in native material and referencing it so you can understand what's being said. All of that sit down at a text book and read it for a few hours stuff is finished after only a few months. That's why language learning is enjoyable, it's not hard and it's mostly fun.
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>>115280469
the real pain of anki comes in that time when there's a bunch of new kanji you're unfamiliar with, those make your reviews/new cards REALLY slow
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>>115280564
yeah, there really isnt much studying, which is okay. there comes a point where suddenly the grammar isn't so hard and there aren't so many words you don't know. at that point, is reading still "studying"? when did it stop being studying? the answer is it never was. it was practice.
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>>115280580
I just hate all those specific words that don't even have an actual version in English, or words that I don't think I'll even need but some reason I made a card for it anyway. They end up as leeches. I don't get very many new kanji anymore. It's pausing at 1600 and slowly going up. I only learn a maximum of 10 new kanji a day despite learning 30-40 words. Unless I learn them on purpose out of a dictionary.
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>>115280694
> those specific words that don't even have an actual version in English
those are bad. especially the ones like 受ける which has FIFTY FUCKING THOUSAND alternative versions with the same english meaning
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>>115280580
>when there's a bunch of new kanji
I wish the Core decks wouldn't do this. It doesn't make it easier to see the same kanji used in five different words that come one after another and all with different readings, it's just confusing.
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>>115280580
That's why I'm rather glad I first stormed through RTK1 and then did TK's grammar and RTK3 simultaneously. It was the single most wearisome task I've tackled in my life, but now coming across a new kanji hardly ever happens.

Though I now shudder at the memory of those 4 months of nothing but memorizing kanji and trying to disentangle the grammar.
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>>115280751
I know, right? There was a period of time where Core gave me only jukugo with 2 new kanji in each. 60 new kanji a day is ridiculous, i had to lower new cards to weather out that awful storm.
>>115280806
>I'm glad I did RTK
never thought i'd hear that but I'm glad everything worked out for you. RTK is looking appealing right about now, at 1000 kanji...
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>>115280743
Imagine being a Japanese person studying English and trying to work out what the fuck "set" is supposed to mean.

and whenever you ask anyone they just say CONTEXT
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>>115280861
A word like that in Japanese is "かける". As of right now I just ignore it, guess, and hope eventually I'll understand it. I don't fuckin know why it's always 平仮名表記 either, makes it more difficult.
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>>115280580
They really don't make it more difficult at all for me, possibly because I already probably knew 2000 or so (in word) by the time I started anki.
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>>115281034
By new I meant ones you haven't seen before.
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>>115281061
I know.
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>>115281093
to elaborate, the hard part is pretty much always pronunciations. Even with new kanji, I learn the meaning with pretty much no work, just because I'm used to kanji enough. After that point, remembering the pronunciation for something like 轍 is honestly easier for me than remembering whether it's supposed to be にん or じん in 後見人
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>learning Japanese is the only thing I have motivation for
How long will it take for me to learn the Kana? Any tips to get it stuck in my brain apart from writing it out 50 times
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>>115281512

>How long will it take for me to learn the Kana?

A single session of cram mode if you're nor retarded.
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>>115281512
kana will get stuck in your brain as you read the readings for 30,000,000 vocabulary words in anki. just do realkana for a bit and then move on. shouldnt take more than a week.

the real issue is learning kanji/vocab/gramamr. the guide will help you there.
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>>115281624
How long overall does it take to learn Japanese? About 2 years?
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>>115281833
How long is a piece of string?

It depends on how much you study. 2 years sounds about right to be pretty skilled. I can read shounen manga without too much trouble in less than half that time, so I hope by 2 years I will be very good.
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>>115281833
4 months gets you to what I would call upper beginner. I can usually type whatever I want to say, but it might sound weird. I can read most porn without a dictionary if I ignore a couple of words per page and I can read any manga I want with a dictionary. Listening is very hard.
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>>115281964
>How long is a piece of string?
A better analogy would have been how long is a penis? It depends on how excited you are
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how can you guys cope with learning kanji? This shit gets so boring when you get to kanji due to being so many new symbols and many of them looking so similar to each other it's horrible
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>>115282330
hah
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>>115282371

Because if you dont you can't learn japanese
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>Learning Japanese, but hearing foreign languages has a tendency to trigger my brother's PTSD and give him Afghanistan flashbacks so I have to practice quietly.
>Trying to talk on skype with a Japanese person that I met on lang8
>5 minutes into the conversation
>"PULL BACK, BATTLE BUDDIES! PULL BACK! WE NEED AIR SUPPORT NOW!
>Inarticulate screaming begins. Person from Lang8 quickly signs out without saying anything.

How do I practice production without using my voice?
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>>115282371
whenever you start to think like this, just increase your studying speed so you don't have time to think about anything
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>>115282330
no it wouldn't. how long is a piece of string is a phrase saying it's impossible to answer questions with unknown variables. even if you're "excited", how long it will take is still impossible to answer.
>>115282371
learn them with vocabulary.
>many of them looking so similar to each other it's horrible
learn radicals
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>>115282419
Are you chained to your room?
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wait, actually, would shoujo be easier to read than shounen, considering the complete lack of intelligent characters and any sort of complexity?
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>>115282371
Honestly I found it fun since I already knew a bunch of vocab beforehand. As I learned more and more Kanji everything just started connecting.
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>>115282419
HAAAAAAAAAAAAA
wwwwww
I haven't laughed like this in 19 weeks and 2 days.
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>>115282613
i was too thrown off by the obviously fake "battle buddies" to laugh
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>>115282548
You don't want to learn the vocab they use.
God forbid you even subconsciously pick some up and use it.
You'll sound like even more of an オカマ than you already are.
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>>115282674
そうですわね・・・本当にありがとう、先輩・・・
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>>115282658
I completely read over it.
Second time I read it I noticed how unnatural it was.
He should've used a real name, like 'Johnny'.
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>>115282658
>He doesn't know that the US military has gotten so pathetic that battle buddies is a real thing now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_buddy
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>>115282708
ゲイボイ
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>>115282723
it's still not something he'd say in combat. seems like the guy just looked it up or read about it and used it to sound legitimate
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Someone type out all of the Kanji so I can test myself
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>>115282850
>Error: Comment too long (38640/2000
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>>115282850
Shit, I fucked up. I meant the Hiragana vowels.

>>115282887
My brain isn't working today
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>>115278247
>uTorrent
>xxx-AV-21767-HD
>Caribbean-101314
いいね、このえらい仲間
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>>115282802
>it's still not something he'd say in combat
/k/ here. I wish that was true. It's really as bad as it sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC36u2xha5Y
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>>115274608
Visit DJT on 4chan. There's a guide in OP. Read it. It's awesome and has already got all the needed materials. You don't need to search around Internet just to find how to learn the language anymore.
All the other problems... Pretty much would be completely erased by the fact that I would have had Anki and Tae Kim from the very beginning. My problems from the very beginning were more about ways to learn language than motivation (which I already had).
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I'm thinking about starting RTK for better handwriting and recognition.
If I'm already learning readings through vocab/anki is there a point to learning the english keywords?
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>>115282921
あいゐうゑえゟお无ゝ
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>>115282978
14 seconds in and I had to pause and stop.
Real-life is more cringeworthy than Anime.
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>>115283014
What the fuck have I been learning because the characters don't look like any of those
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こωL=ちレ£
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>>115283177
i was joking
im not gonna type up hiragana for you
realkana.com
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>>115283430
Nah, I've looked up the Hiragana vowels online and they still don't look like the things I've been learning on Realkana
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>>115283494
where?
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>>115283533
Fucking hell I must have a brain hemorrhage, the lines are connected on the Realkana practice thing and on the sheet of the characters they aren't and I got confused. Sorry.
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I'm at 1680/2200 of the RTK deck and I find it impossible to muster a few final surges of motivation to wrap it up. Fuck it, I'm moving onto a core deck. Hope I won't regret it.

And to think that two weeks ago I considered starting on RTK3 after finishing this deck. A fucking joke.
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>>115283851
You're doing it wrong. Make your own deck from the beginning.
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>>115284074
What's the point if you don't know any words or their meaning? I believe premade decks are better, the reason why I quit at kanji was because I didn't have any decent deck to properly help me learn the basic kanji
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What does "「おお、貴方がルキウス卿でいらっしゃいましたか。お噂はかねがね」" exactly mean?
I get that it's something like "Oh, you're that Lukius. The rumors were right on the money", or something like that, is it an okay interpretation? And what does -でいらっしゃいましたか exactly mean?

Also, when you guys started reading, did you make a flashcard for every new word you met? I'm basically just meeting new words, but making flashcard for every of them and interrupting the reading just seem like a hassle.
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>>115284317
>穢翼のユースティア
I just started playing this a couples days back, just finished Eris route yesterday.
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>>115284317
I chuck everyone word I come across in notepad or something and then add it later.
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>>115284128
do core2k and then start mining your own words. get core2k/6k optimized
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>>115284317
put all of the words into an html file and use rikaisama to auto import them to anki with definition, audio etc
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>>115284617
>everyone
Fuck I'm sleepy
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I can't wait until I don't have to work for four months so I can just drink a bunch of coffee and study

Im studying now but mostly as relaxation and I fucking suck

Are there even such thing as a fluent gaijin?
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>>115284647
If you don't use firefox, you can just put them in a text file and import it, and use the download audio plugin to add the audio on your first review of the word.
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>>115284668
moe anime girl aniki
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>>115284642
Should I only do the 2k or go for the full 6k?
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>>115284766
takusan gaijin ga pera pera desu yo

tatoeba ,watashi
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>>115284866
You should start reading よつばと! at 1000 words and just forget about finishing a premade deck.
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>>115284866
Why limit yourself. Go for 6k
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>>115285306
Why not 10k, then?
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If I'm learning Japanese for reading will I need to focus on writing?
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>>115285637
I say fuck it unless you feel it really helps you, I abandoned it once I got to around 1600 Kanji and never looked back.
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Am I supposted to skip shit i dont understand?
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>>115285748
what about hearing the words to be able to pronounce them correctly if I ever went to japan?
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>>115285830
You're supposed to look them up.
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>>115285748
Do college students in Japan even handwrite stuff apart from notes? Even baka gaijin on YT say you text kanji and shit more than writing it
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そんな卑怯な手が使わないです
Another idiom it seems. What does it mean?
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>>115285987
son something something something i something su
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>>115285987
I won't use such a cowardly method.
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>>115286103
Oh, that makes sense. Thanks.
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>>115285917

I cincerely hope so. Typing the stuff is much easier since pretty much everything comes with a plugin that translates your regular kana int kanji where needed.
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I wish their were an anki bulk import app that takes words from a text file and auto downloads the audio from jpod101。
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>>115285861
What kind of retarded question is this?
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>>115284497
>mfw I started reading it something like a month ago but I'm so slow I've probably read only just a hundred lines of text

>>115284617
>>115284647
Well, this seems certainly like less of a hassle, though I'm still someone who hasn't done his reps in 4 days. ;_;
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>>115286650
correct me if I'm wrong but you cant hear them can you? (In anki that is) and if you can, how do you do it? Using the 2k-6k deck
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Tired... can someone lend me their adderall? :<
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>>115285637
You should give it a try and decide for yourself

But you are aware of the reason they have a defined stroke order in the first place right? It's for the purpose of making it easier to read other people's handwriting.

People who learn the correct stroke order rarely have problems identifying kani they've learned before when they see it in new fonts or handwritting. Sometimes people who don't learn stroke order think everything looks weird just because it's written in a different font than they used to study with
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>>115286902
You can find it in the usual drop spot mate ;)
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>>115286902
Sent ;)
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>>115286803
Start off reading something easier bro.
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>>115286975
>>115286960
Yay now I can join master-race!

And read all these japanese novels.
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>>115287180
Isn't Eustia one of the easiest to read VNs that has some plot too? I'm not in too much trouble now anyway, but I hope I can grind my way through to get to White Album 2
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>>115287521
There's definitely easier stuff out there.
http://vndb.org/v15143
http://vndb.org/v15143
These for example came out quite recently and are easy to read.
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>>115287738
Fucked up, second one was supposed to be this http://vndb.org/v15473
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What the hell does this mean?

"余計に放っておけないとゆーか、俺も辛いとゆーか…"


"余計に放っておけない" is the part giving me trouble. Don't excessively leave alone is what I am getting.


Here it is with the line before, context is a guy and girl are walking home from school, the girl is normally cheerful and blushing but she is sad in this scene, this is the internal monologe of the guy she is walking with.

でも、ここ数日を一緒に過ごして、\n寂しそうな顔なんて滅多に見せないこいつだからこそ…

余計に放っておけないとゆーか、俺も辛いとゆーか…
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>>115287738
>>115288390
Nice, they seem something I would enjoy. I have a really long list now of supposedly easy VNs I have started but stalled due to difficulty or other reasons, Damekoi, the Introductory Chapter of WA2, Parfait, Shi'ei no Sona-nyl, but I hope I'll be able to read these two and maybe Eustia this time. Thanks for your time kind anon
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This isn't a chinese font is it? That 所 looks fucked.
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>>115289520
What font is it?
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>>115289520
No anon you have been studying Chinese this whole time. Fuck we tried to warn you.
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>>115289368
>\n
Are you translating this or is this just what the text hooker pulled out?

余計に just means "excessively ~" or "really ~", and 放っておけない means "can't leave them alone" = "I care about them". 俺も辛い should be obvious.

余計に doesn't link up with 放っておけない in that direct of a sense. It's basically "I care too much", etc.
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>>115289625
Not the whole time, I just switched to linux yesterday.

I think the font might be droid sans.
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>>115289740
Yes. That's a Chinese font.

Try Noto Sans Japanese if you don't like Meiryou.
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>>115289629
fuck anon now you made me feel stupid. I never knew 余計に could be used for "really" that makes a lot more sense now.
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>>115289803
It still has the implication of it being too much, though. That's why he sounds exasperated.
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>>115289520
>所
After checking with wikionary, I've just realized that it appears in Chinese font for me on chrome. Where am I supposed to change it? Just to make sure, the bar on top is supposed to be horizontal on the Japanese font and a bit diagonal in the Chinese font, correct?
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>>115289901

This is the character I use to check fonts. There's options in chrome to change what font to use, though it's kind of a mess to figure out what fonts are best and how exactly to change them. Google is your friend, because I forgot how I fixed it.
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フエリズ涙
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>>115290005
Can't i just change my chrome font to a japanese one for everything without messing with that addon?
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>>115290005
Thanks for the character, I was in fact using Chinese font. I didn't know it could look that drastically different from one to another.
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>>115290005
Im not related to the conversation, but what should that character look like?
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>>115290320
Just tried it. Works. Have everything set to IPAfont PGothic and Mincho for serif.
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>>115290780
left japanese, right chinese
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To the guy yesterday who was trying to resize images. Put this in the Styling section of the deck:

img {max-height:200px}
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Reading Yotsubato! volumes with the reading guide has been the most refreshing experience in learning Japanese since I started learning kanas and phonetics by myself with Wikipedia.

Anki a total shit, and those mnemonics sites kill the beauty of the language with lame, suicide-inducing puns.

Is there some more stuff like this reading guide out there? The structure is starting to make sense thanks to those, yesterday I could keep a broken but functional conversation with a Japanese, using Google just to translate the kanjis.
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>>115291181
Shitty titties, I wish there was an easy way to replace the Japanese fonts without affecting latin letters
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>>115291460
Anyone using anki in lieu of reading was doing it wrong anyway. You are supposed to focus on reading and use anki to review what you've learned.
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why is the stroke order for 凸 so retarded
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>>115291460
>using Google just to translate the kanjis.
and you will never learn the kanji without hard work and probably using some kind of SRS like anki
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>>115291857
I prefer doing those on paper. I don't have problems forgetting the meaning of kanjis I have already studied, I just forget how to write them from time to time and Anki won't help with that anyway.

I'm going with the japanese system, currently in the middle of 2nd grade.

But the great thing about the Yotsubato! reading guide was how it stepped back a bit from learning and turned into absorbing.
I'm good at that, I learned English and French almost only reading books/chatting in games. Japanese has the extra barrier of kanjis with not so obvious readings, that's why I need some guides and furigana for now.
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>>115291857
Google translate has a very good kanji recognition.
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>>115292324
yeah obviously but putting kanji into google isn't the same as reading
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>picked up japanese version of animal crossing because thinking easy tier
>Nope

Well it's borderline easy because it doesnt use tones of Kanji but its hard to understand since most animals have accents or speak different to their animal type/region or something like that is what I'm trying to say? You know?
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>>115291707
What the fuck, that goes against all stroke order rules...

I would guess something like this, although the first stroke is awkward to do if the first 2 are misaligned.
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>>115292838
>although the third stroke
Fix'd.
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>>115292838
>>115291707
凵 is the radical, so you write it last.

__|¯¯|__ is basically the content of 凵
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>>115286803

>read 100 lines of Eustia in a month

I am not trying to offend you or be mean at all, but I'm not sure you're ready to try reading anything just yet, you will just burn yourself out. Eustia really is a very easy title to read compared to most other plot driven eroge.

>>115289384

WA2: IC is pretty much fine outside of some wordy descriptions. CC on the other has a huge amount of internal monologue and emotionally charged language that you probably will not have seen before. Parfait is another Maruto title, it's probably one of the more difficult 'moege' out there, but you will probably be fine on that one outside of some slang. Sona-Nyl would be a pretty easy read were it not for the plot critical unhookable chapter ends where you need to read newspapers and the 地下の詩 sections where the voice does not match up with what's written.

There are a few easy to read plot driven games that also happen to be kamige. Subahibi is an easy read except for when Scaji starts quoting other literature, and it is my favorite eroge of all time. I found Baldr Sky to be pretty easy outside of some infodumps and the fact that it is 4.6mb of text altogether, you will also have the added benefit of gaining a lot of military jargon from this one too.

For moege you could really just pick whatever you wanted and it would all be relatively simple. The recent Sweetlight games are very easy to read, I recommend them highly.

Good luck to you both, I learned a lot of Japanese through reading eroge myself and I'm very happy with my progress after 18 months.
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>>115292375
It's no different than looking in a dictionary.
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>know word and understand what it means
>can't think of English word

Is this thinking in Japanese or just blanking out?
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>>115280105
You're autistic.
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>>115293462
Former
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日本です~!小さな国に大きな魂!お任せください。
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>>115293462
This is lack of articulation on your own language. Many subbers go through this. If there is no word, try finding an expression.
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>>115293573
This is probably true.

But it's okay, right, as long as I can visualize it and understand what it means?
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>>115293462

If you're translating everything you read to English in your head you should stop doing that as soon as you possibly can.
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>>115293540
御機嫌よう。 欧州と申します。
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>>115293462
Yeah. I have the same with English. If anyone asks me what an English word means in my language, I have no fucking idea how to say it.
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>>115293639
how do you overcome this state of mind anon?
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>>115293630
Yes, there is no problem with being able to speak two separate languages with different concepts. But if you really understand their underlying meanings, you should probably be able to translate it in an adapted way. It's not necessary though for understanding and communicating in Japanese.
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>>115293761
Probably stop using anki.
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Are there any stimulants besides gingko biloba that helps me focus but doesn't make me stay up all night?

Is ginkgo biloba bad?
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>>115293922
Nice ruse.
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>>115294012
It's true though. In anki, every time you see a word you must think of the english definition in order to pass the card. You do this everyday for hours.
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>>115293761

Using J-J dictionaries as much as possible when looking up words is your best bet if you think you can handle that.

Otherwise just try and understand the concept of the word you're trying to memorize rather than thinking of whatever English definition you have stored for it. Pay attention to how it's used in context as well, this is very important.

If you're not reading yet and just grinding Anki everyday then good luck with that and don't worry about any of this for now.
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>>115294106
>Using J-J dictionaries

Which one's the best?
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>>115294050
When I used Anki I often got confused because half my cards were in English and half were in Portuguese (my native language).

So I just stopped doing cards, although I still have to think of translations when reading. But since it's inside my mind, the translations are more abstract, not heavily language-oriented.
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>>115293979
>Ginkgo is marketed in dietary supplement form with claims it can enhance cognitive function in people without known cognitive problems, but such claims are unfounded as it has no effect on memory or attention in healthy people.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo_biloba
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I'm buying a Japanese 3ds ll, and I'm not sure if I should choose between the games Animal Crossing: New Leaf and Ocarina of Time. They both have furigana which is what i'm looking for, it's just that I'm not that far along in my Japanese studies (still a beginner) so I'm not sure which to get. What do you all think (in regards to vocabulary/more useful/and language, not game bias)?
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>>115294208

I personally like 大辞林 the best, it's definitions are usually very concise and to the point. I search from http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/ but there are a number of alternatives you can choose from.
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>>115294050
You don't need to think of the English definition. You only need to think of what it means. You need something on the back to check that understanding, but that doesn't have to be the same as what you think off when looking at the front, and it doesn't even have to be English.
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>>115294211
>I often got confused because half my cards were in English and half were in Portuguese (my native language).

Sorry, but that was a stupid move.
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>>115294280
Depends. I could probably play through OoT in Russian with the amount of times I've finished it, but if you aren't familiar with the game, I wouldn't recommend it. There's a lot of reading, and reading is required to get a lot of things.

You could just be a hikikomori in Animal Crossing if you wanted.
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>>115294338
It wasn't intentional, some of my study material is in one language, some is in another, and I often don't think about what language I'm writing in. If I spent my day in 4chan, for example, I would probably write cards in English. If not, maybe Portuguese. And revision time made it obvious because I had to think of specific words as translations when I would think "fire" and "fogo" showed up.
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why is kanji retarded
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>>115294641
Japan should just adopt hangul.
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>>115294672
Hangul has no beauty to it.
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>>115294672
pig dog plz leave
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Even after all these years of avoiding Japanese I still see every single last person I come across have some type of issue with kanji

Kanji is the problem, not you.
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>>115294996
based lazybro
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>>115294996
>implying I have problems with Kanji

You're the problem.
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>>115294917
How can you say that?
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>>115295119
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Solution:
Adopt hangul, replace hiragana with katakana. Create new kana for v x and l

Japanese is now less stupid
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>2014年
>日本語を勉強するようにプロプライエタリのソフトを使う
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>>115294996
I don't know people can have issues with kanji if RTK exists.
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>>115295229
RTK doesn't teach you kanji.
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>>115295215
I-I use free software only, Stall-chan.
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>>115295250
Well, then what does it do?
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>>115295229
The problem is exactly BECAUSE RTK exists. People are constantly told how hard kanji is and that you need to dedicate 2-3 months memorizing them all before you can continue with the language. It's all a scam.
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>>115295297
You learn stories to remember relatively arbitrary English keywords associated with each kanji.
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>>115295343
But how is that bad?
Before knowing RTK I used to think that I would need to spend many years learning kanji.
2-3 months is like a blessing.
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>>115295456
But at 3 months you should have already been reading for 2 of them, and you'll be ahead of anybody who did RTK forever.
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Hey guys? I'm typesetting a manga and... I've run into a problem where I don't know if I'm placing the right dialog on the right lines. I have two lines in my script and three text fields. None of my translators are online, and I don't see the scanlation thread up. Is it okay to ask here for some help? Or is that frowned upon.
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>>115295591
post the raw and translations and ill tell you which goes to which
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>>115295591
Don't your translators give you the script for placing references? Shame on them.
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>>115295591
Why don't you just wait for the translators to wake up?
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>>115295703
I'm not that guy, but typesetting is fucking time consuming and waiting would just waste time.
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>>115274608
Be born Japanese. I'm a lucky guy.
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>>115295641

Thanks. Sorry about this.

>>115295684

They did but... I think they mighta forgotten one. TBH this is my first time typesetting, but I wanted to help out more than I already am.

>>115295703

Because /a/ loves them some Dumbpire...


Anyway, the three text boxes in question are the ones in the middle panel. The text outside of the speech balloons. The two translations I have are.

{The more I think back, I just...}
{I don’t even know what to say...}

See, I don't know if the first one is divided up into two at the comma, or if the third one was missed.
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>>115295857
the first one is supposed to be both
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>>115295948

Okay cool. So I can divide it up at the comma.

Thanks.
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>>115295998
Ganbare. Typesetting is boring as fuck.
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>>115295857
"I don't even know what to say" is the text near the guy. "The more I think back, I just..." is the translator's way of translating something with no natural English translation, and should be split between the text near the girl. Just split it in a way that looks nice.
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>>115296022

I'm actually having fun so far. Though I am doing this with no formal training so I could be doing it wrong. We'll see. Maybe the actual typesetter will rip me a new one.

>>115296036

Yep, gonna divide it up just so. Thanks.
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>>115294050
its not like you can start using J-J dictionaries and thinking abstractly in japanese before a certain level of competency.. before that you need some kanji and vocabulary under your belt
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>>115296097
Just out of interest, do you plan on re-drawing the background near that text with no speech bubbles or what?

I do translation and typesetting as a bit of a hobby, and I always found those bits difficult. Usually just end up attempting to re-draw and fucking it up completely.
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>>115296254
Wow, my English is awful here. I'm very tired, forgive me.
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>>115296254

I have absolutely no part in the re-drawing. I'm actually just the QC guy, but since there are only three pages that aren't typeset yet for this chapter, and I have free time, I figured I might as well try my hand at it. Worst case the TS just erases it and does it the right way.

In the PS file I have, two of the text fields have already been redrawn, so we'll probably re-draw the third as well.
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>>115294672
Don't worry, in a few decades katana is all there's gonna be.

Actually, worry a lot. ジャスト イメジン ハオ ヂス シッツ イス ゴンナ ルーク ライク。
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>>115294996
It's a problem if you want a practical language, but it's a completely different line of thought that trigger many stuff in your mind from a different angle. If different cultures hadn't different methods of perceiving the world, I'm sure we would be centuries late in discovering shit.
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>>115296863
>few decades

At that point, I should be top katakana master. If not, then I'd have a real reason to worry.
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勃起
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>>115276504
Can't I just order that online.
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>>115297803
Which would be correct?
何か用ですか?or
何が用ですか?
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>>115297884
Didn't mean to quote
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>>115297803
もっこり
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>>115297884
The first is the common phrase.
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>>115295119
they use circular characters, fuck that shit.
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>>115297884
You could literally just google each phrase and see which one's more common before immediately asking other people. It's really obvious if you just look. You'd get a faster answer and learn to be more self sufficient.
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>>115295119
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>>115298789
How does it feel to be brainwashed?
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>>115294265
> implying I'm healthy
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What does /a/ think of japanese courses at college? I need to complete 6 social science hours and 2 language courses would fill it.
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>>115280336
What on earth does that have to do with being "modern"? And what's with the fixation on "relatability" in the first place?
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Is person を event に誘う the right way to say "to invite person to event"?
I'm not too sure about the particles.
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>>115299368
Yes
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>>115299264
what college slash how serious are you?
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>>115299668
Fairly serious, I had started learning basic moon last winter but stopped when my classes started back. School is Georgia Southern University for Elementary I and I'll transfer to Georgia Tech by the time I take Elementary II.
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What is the point of masu conjugation. Do real nips use polite forms that fucking much?
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>>115299368
>>115299551
so the ni particle is for location/events right

i want a book on particles
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>>115299931
Of course it depends on your way of talking
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>>115299813
if your serious about learning I really dont see any negatives about taking the course, unless your teacher is unenthused, as many are.
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こんな感じでしたっけ

Is "でしたっけ" same as "でしたか”?
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>tfw doing anki
>tfw learning words but forgetting to look at the English definition of it so I'm learning the kana and the kanji but not the English definition
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>>115299813
>moon

fuck off
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>>115300281
Are you new here or something?
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>>115300330
The only people who call it "moon" are beginners. It's a stupid maymay.
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温水プールのある輝日東に来たのがそもそもの間違いじゃないのか?
Anyone know what this means?
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>>115300367
If you don't like it nobody is forcing you to study it with /a/. You can go on a more legitimate forum where people use "official" terms or something if you want. Now drop it, there's no point in continuing this discussion.
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>>115300367
It's short for moonspeak, which is a fairly common term applied to non-english languages. It also comes from Gundam.
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>>115300462
It's from LotR.
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>>115300436
This thread's regulars never refer to Japanese as moon. It's always the beginners that come in here and ask retarded questions. Fuck off.
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>>115300502
Why are you so mad though?
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>>115300534
Cause he can't learn moon
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>>115300502
How the fuck would you know? I'm a regular and I've never referred to it as moon because the situation never came up, that's all.

Seriously go to /int/ if this upsets you so much.
>>115300559
Great /v/ image macro dude, that's showed him.
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>>115300599
>the situation never came up
>in a thread about the Japanese language

yeah, you're retarded
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>>115300559
All I wanted were some viewpoints on college japanese courses and then everything goes to shit. How about you all shut the fuck up?
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>>115300229
Look up っけ. Why would you assume that it's the same as か without even looking it up?
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>>115300707
Tired of the stupid questions. How have you never taken a foreign language class before? You should know that they're terrible.
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>>115300488
no you.
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>>115300782
I haven't taken any in college, only in high school.
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>>115295119
Even though it was purposely made anytime I've tried to learn it it was confusing as fuck. What's most frustrating is that the person teaching it is smiling saying how logical it is. Hell no.
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>>115300559
oh wow, your as bad as moon boy.
恥ずかしいmaymay
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>>115300877
You should expect awful responses to "u mad" posts.
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>>115295376
So it's
see kanji > remember story > think about how that relates to the kanji > understand what it means
instead of
>see kanji > know what it means
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>tfw you finally finished your reps for the day
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>>115299813
Isn't the first one a party school?
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>>115301010
>finally
How long did it take you?
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>>115300975
you can retain some better than others. the learning process is different for everyone m8
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>>115300975
Understanding what the kanji mean won't help you read actual Japanese. Those stories and keywords you'll learn ultimately mean nothing.
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>Reading hentai
>Guy likes girl
>Different girl comes along and starts having sex with him

>Stop! I want my first time to be with the girl I like!
>なに女の子みたいなこと言ってんのよ もう手遅れよぉ〜
I'm having trouble with this simple looking sentence. もう手遅れよぉ〜 is "Already too late" I think. みたいなこと言ってんのよ is giving me the most trouble, would someone give me a hand with it?
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So, do people just blindly jump into reading? I thought I'd start with a children's book with furigana and all because I'm sick of doing reps and it's probably stupid to be doing without context, but I've only encountered like ten words in two pages that I actually know.

For every word I know, there are ten more I need to look up. It's insufferable.

Should I just try to see it through and add everything to a mining deck? Is that how people generally go about it?
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>>115301870
What girlish things you're saying
it's already too late :3
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>>115301882
What are you trying to read?
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>>115301882

I jumped in with Dragon Ball. Took me nine hours to get through half of the first chapter, it was horrible. I read up on grammar for awhile longer and learned a small amount of vocab (hadn't even started on Anki yet) and tried again. Quite a bit easier but still had to look up things a lot. At this point, in simple things like Dragon Ball I usually only have to look up one or two words on a page, if that. I don't even have that hard a time with some of the more (advanced) stuff.

So yeah, jump in, but make sure what you're reading is something you're interested in.
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>>115301980

ありがとう先輩
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>>115301109
It just sounds like it's making it more complicated than it has to be.
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>>115302006
image related

It was something someone uploaded and linked here a long time ago but I only tried reading it just now.

I feel like I have an easier time with most doujinshi, but that's probably because it's easier to focus with things I'm more interested in.

>>115302054
>make sure what you're reading is something you're interested in

That's what I was thinking.

I'll give it about more five pages before making that judgment.
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>>115302243

Some people need it to remember kanji, some people don't. I find that the stroke order helps me remember kanji.
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>>115301882
If you cant read this , you should stick with your reps until you can.
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>>115302318
That is a book, right? I think manga are easier for starting. Fewer words per page, so you can actually finish a chapter and get that feeling of accomplishment that leads you to reading the next chapter. The pictures provide more context, so it is easier to figure out what the sentences mean.
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>>115301036
Isn't every school? Granted, it isn't a top tier university either but that is why I'm transferring.
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>>115302497
That's probably a better idea, but how much vocabulary do you actually get out of a typical shonen manga for example?

This is what I was trying to read before getting frustrated from having to look things up.
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>>115301882
I got tired of just learning Kanji everyday and jumped right into reading VNs. It was really painful and slow at the beginning but now I can read at a decent pace depend on the material. I also learned a bunch of new vocab and Kanji along the way as well. Reading is the best form of practice.
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>>115302765
Actually, looking at it again, it's not that bad.

I'm going to keep reading now.
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>>115302839
Where did you download that?
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>>115302977
I said before that someone uploaded it here a long time ago.

Do you want me to upload it for you?
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>>115300769
>without even looking it up

Maybe he was skimming DoAJG and saw pic related and stopped reading there.
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How would you say something like "be right back" or "afk" in japanese? Like, what's the internet slang for that?
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>>115295215
>ロゼッタストーンよりすごい
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>>115303248
すぐに戻りますわよ
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>>115303478
well I wasn't expecting that, but it works
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>>115301870
does the original girl end up going crazy and killing said guy for cheating on her once she finds out?
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>>115303073
Nah. I already have hundreds of ebooks I will probably never read. Thanks though.
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>>115303248
一発やってくる
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I'm new to this,
Should I start with katakana, hiragana, or both? Like, I basically want to learn japanese to be able to play old games, like zelda, final fantasy etc, which mostly uses katakana and hiragana.

Anyways, I think I should start with learning to read hiragana and katakana flawlessly, trying to read a couple of sentences with that, and then move forward to kana.
Is that totally wrong? Should I learn in another way?
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>>115303751
I think you should just give up now
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>>115291551
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/advanced-font-settings/caclkomlalccbpcdllchkeecicepbmbm
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>>115303859
you're fucking lovely
>>115303751
>move onto kana
hiragana and katakana are the kana.
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I cant find it anywhere
What does する mean at the end of a sentence?
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I get the impression that >>115303478 and >>115303713 are slipping out for a quickie.
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Is 何をござる a valid phrase?

I think it's the first sentence that he says here: http://youtu.be/suju4APlN-0

If anyone can extract more I'd appreciate it.
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ここでチンチンが一番大きい人誰ですか?
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>>115302318
Do you still have that link?
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>>115304476
In all seriousness I asked a question once that was so retarded that everyone called me a troll and I got banned for six days because of it and when I actually shitpost on other boards its only two days
So fuck off bro
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>>115304527
Well we certainly don't want to deal with you if you're that dumb.
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>>115303073
Please do.
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>>115304794
holy shit this show i forgot all about it until right now

maybe ill watch it without subs this time
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>>115304794
Just for you, anon.

https://mega.co.nz/#!ckZRzLaT!qA0o6wRb8oGMHgKNtfHnKPSbG7VdHn1L2dmTkhfzX34
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>>115304473
大きな中国人それとも大きなおちんぽですか?
両方かもしれないか?
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毬は蹴りたし毬はなし

It's a song, so I guess that is why there is repetition, but does 毬はなし mean, cannot kick the ball?
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>>115304827
Go for it. You'll learn ocean related vocab while you're at it, I'm sure.
>>115305010
This looks adorable. Thanks, friend.
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>>115305306
Or 'kicking the ball without a ball'?
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Does it make sense to study, when her world tour is about ready to kick into full gear?
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>>115305306
I want to kick a ball but there is no ball
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>>115305411
Kasane Teto?
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>>115305411
I actually read an article about Ebola-chan in Japanese recently. Some Pixiv artist had their art of her make it onto some Swedish newspaper.
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>>115305516
Apparently journalists believe the ebola worship stuff. Or, at the very least, journalists believe that africans believe the ebola worship.
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>>115305460
Thanks.

At the end it says ポンと蹴りゃニャンと鳴くとポンポン蹴りゃニャンニャンと鳴く[?], what are the last few words? I thought something 尾寺も but can't really figure it out.
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>>115305515

違う。。。。 2ドリルって,いいな。。。。がん刷りで行けるかも。。
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>>115305658
Journalists like to perpetuate the idea that Nigerians and other African people are idiots. In the original thread where some guy posted "AMERICANS ARE WORSHIPPING EBOLA" 90% of the comments were other Nigerians saying "you're an idiot" "you're being trolled" and one guy even mentioned that 4chan was laughing at him
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>>115305762
Essentially using this to say "NIGERIA THINKS AMERICANS WORSHIP EBOLA" is like using the History Channel to say that Americans believe aliums built everything
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>>115305698
Whoops I'm retarded, it's from http://youtu.be/8mxymj0EeEA

Based on this song: http://www.worldfolksong.com/songbook/japan/doyo/yamadera.htm
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>>115305762
>we were only pretending, haha stupid
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>>115305411
Why cant we just kill everybody with ebola?
Serious question
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>>115305864
I don't think you read my post correctly. The original guy who came up with the theory that Americans worship Ebola-chan was laughed at.
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>>115305813
I think it's just 山寺の
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>>115305935
>山寺の
Damn, that was silly of me. Thanks.
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>>115305884
Holocaust never again
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>>115305935
and then お寺 at the very end
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>>115306009
>never again
>implying it happened before
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祇園精舎の鐘の声 
諸行無常の響あり
沙羅双樹の花の色 
盛者必衰の理をあらはす
驕れる者久しからず 
ただ春の夜の夢の如し
猛き人もついには滅びぬ 
ひとへに風の前の塵に同じ
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It's normal that lyrics are harder to comprehend than normal conversations, right? Or is it just me
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>>115306025
The little bit at the end is just him telling tanukisoup to wait for his rescue.

Anyway, I don't feel like I can make sense of the song at all.
This is what I have:

和尚さんは
毬は蹴りたし毬はなし
猫をカン袋に押し込んで
ポンと蹴りゃニャンと鳴くとポンポン蹴りゃ
ニャンニャンと鳴く山寺の

http://youtu.be/8mxymj0EeEA

I can understand most of the words on their own but have absolutely no idea how to go about translating them, especially the ponpon nyantonaku stuff.
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>>115306182
Sometimes I feel the opposite, but I've listened to a lot of music since I've started.
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>>115305909
>make all of these posts about Ebola and it's personification
>people take it seriously
>we were only pretending to be retarded
Sure is underage in that thread.
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>>115306145
枯葉舞い
ごとく散れ
目に精子
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>>115306374
>5 5 5
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>>115306210
>猫をカン袋に押し込んで
squeeze cat into bag (not sure about カン袋?)
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>>115306584
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q148657959
5 hours in google
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>>115306210
ポンと蹴りゃニャンと鳴く
ポポンポン蹴りゃニャンニャンと鳴く
What's so hard about this part?
Just says if you kick it, it cries meow
The second line is saying the same thing
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>>115306627
Wouldn't normally expect this to known well enough to find someone with the exact same question... thanks though

>>115306629
Didn't know ポン is kick.
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>>115306764
>Wouldn't normally expect this to known well enough to find someone with the exact same question.
There's no reason to expect かん袋 to only be used in the song. There are plenty of things that are used in various places and don't come up in the dictionary.

>Didn't know ポン is kick.
It's obviously an onomatopoeia
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>>115306816
No shit, hence, didn't know it's kick.
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Somebody called me this

what does it mean?

ニガー
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>>115306882
>it's kick.
It's not necessarily. 蹴る is kick. I don't know why you think ポン means kick. It describes the kick.
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>>115306764
So based on >>115306629 and other stuff, this 和尚さん wanted to kick some balls around, but there was none. So he sticks a cat in the bag and kicks it around (ポン is the onomatopoeia). The cat cries as he kicks it around. What a retarded song
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>>115306886
Means you have a very dark tan for a Japanese
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>>115306508
屎食らえ。。。。と叫んで坂本少尉は俺と兜合わせて一部になった
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>>115306958
If you look around at the chiebukuro link in one of the questions someone says it's about a monk who went insane because he got super sick from ridiculously hard training.

It's like ring around the rosie, everything's dark if you look into it.
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>>115306958
It's from a 1930s film, of course it's retarded.

Only got 3 lines left to finish. Pretty sure the first line of the monk is 何をござるは

http://youtu.be/NgVikJVtuyM

and that:
http://youtu.be/8PERViBU-7E
have been looking at that one for a while but still have no clue what she's saying, I just ended up paraphrasing it as "this catch is a tanuki" or something because it sounded like a similar word.
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I need help on two things from a hentai if someone is willing to give it.

>Girl forces herself on a boy. He says he already has someone he likes.
>キミそれマジで言ってんのぉ?こぉ〜んなキモい粗チンの童貞なんてもらっても女の子は有難迷惑よぉ? Do you think another girl would want to take such a gross, small dick's virginity? I'm mostly unsure about 有難迷惑.

The next thing she says is divided into three bubbles.

>キミみたいに 地味で 奥手で
奥手で seems to be "late bloomer and" 地味 is "plain/simple". So it appears that she's calling him a plain, late bloomer. What about キミみたいに? "You look like a plain, late bloomer?

Is this something like "What are you saying [so seriously]?
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I am about 300 words in my 2k deck
I realized that reading really puts things in perspective in general and makes me understand things more.

It take me two hours to finish my anki but I only have three hours altogether in my day to study

I have been doing anki for 1hr in a half
reading for 30 minutes because I suck at it and its hard and takes me just to do that on one page
and 1hr listening

Is this a good routine for jsut keep up with everything?
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>>115307495
From what I've seen, "mitai" is used as "like, such as". Kimi mitai = like you and "ni" is just the particle for the sentence structure.

"An ordinary late bloomer like you." or something on these lines.
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>>115307404
The monk's first line is 何を小癪な I have no clue about the rest though
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>>115307782
Why don't you vary your schedule a bit?

Monday, Wednesday and Friday you do as usual.
Tuesday and Thursday you make a quick 30 minute revision and invest everything in reading.
Saturday is reps + listening day.

Sunday is doing-something-new day. You should sing denpa, draw a fake Ukiyo-e, record a shounen dialogue, fighting evil-you... find new ways to have fun and apply the things you've learned if possible.
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>>115308005
Every bit helps, thanks
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>>115308105
Thats actually a good idea.
Make it so I dont get bored
Variety is the best way to learn things anyway
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>>115307944

Ah thanks. Seemed weird on it's own but it did come after 「キミそれマジで言ってんのぉ?こぉ〜んなキモい粗チンの童貞なんてもらっても女の子は有難迷惑よぉ?」which, as I said, I think is something like "Do you think another girl would want to take such a gross, small dick's virginity?" so it makes sense, she's just giving more reasons as to why he in undesirable.
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>>115307495
The first line is not talking about "another girl" but a girl in general. 有難迷惑 is something that one's trying to good for someone, but is actually disliked by that someone
Are you saying that for real? A girl will hate to take such a gross, small dick's virginity!
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>>115307404
I hear ぼてんせんだい at the beginning but have no idea what are the actual words.
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>>115308724

Thank you. I probably shouldn't have said "another girl", I meant "other females" in general. Thanks for clearing it up though.
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>>115308671
奥手 is not late bloomer by the way
http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E5%A5%A5%E6%89%8B
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1472281894
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/v/ here, need to enter a password for the porn. What's this say? The password is somewhere in here.
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>>115308832
fuck off
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>>115308832
/v/ pls go
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>>115308832
中出しの慶び
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>>115308832
says "bokuhakuso" if that helps
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>>115308832
やめてください、そんなハレンチなテキストを読むのは。
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>>115308816

>slow in sexual development
>be slow to mature
>be slow to ripen

No offence meant but what do you think late bloomer means?
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>>115308832
あたしにほんじんだけど、その部分だけではパスワードなんて何もわからないわ?
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>>115309117
Isn't late bloomer more of a age thing?
I think 奥手 is more used for developments within each relationship
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>>115308832
I don't see any password in there you fag.
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>>115309342

Well I'm certainly not the authority on how Japanese words are used, maybe that particular word can only be used in specific circumstances but a late bloomer is just someone who develops a bit later than usual. A 16 year old just becoming interested in sex is a very late bloomer, for example.

But yeah like I said, maybe 奥手 has limited use.
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なんなんだよもぉ closest translation would be "what's up with that?" right? Or am I way off?
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>>115309462
more like "what the fuck is this shit"
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>>115309409
奥手(おくて)は、なかなか手(手段や技)を出して来ない=オンナに告白をして来ない、って意味だと思うの。
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>>115309586
What part of the sentence gives away it being rude if you don't mind me asking?
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>>115309724
たとえば「アサはベントウを忘れた。ヒルはイヌのクソをふんだ。ヨルはオンナにふられた。きょうはなんなんだよもぉ」とかのケースです。
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>>115307404
please help, even just one word would help (何を小癪な, not 何をござるは)

also have a few lines here: http://youtu.be/awMFMvSPKOo/

and waiting on a tl for one other film and i'll upload them.
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Is tulpakun still here?
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>>115309800
You may be trying to help but that's just an example, doesn't really do us much
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What happened to the reading list?
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>>115310182
monk's last line, [something] 革魔め?
first thing the tanuki say, [something] 音頭坊ならば?

not sure if it makes sense i am just extrapolating possible words from context. in the movie the monk does an 音頭. that said it still doesn't really make sense. and the start of the sentences are weird. they sound like ぼてんせんだい and でびゅう.
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Can anyone explain to me whether to use yonju or shijuu for 40?
Shijuu makes sense with the combinations like twenty (nijuu) but for some reason I keep seeing yonjuu everywhere.
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>>115311479
Shi is considered unlucky by the japs because it sounds similar to death, so yon is preferred.
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>>115311524
Oh, I see. That makes more sense. I was mainly curious which one was used in common speech etc. Thanks, I appreciate it.
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>>115311479
しじゅう is the original, but in the Edo period they started to change the pronunciation because しじゅう sounds like しちじゅう so they started saying よんじゅう and ななじゅう and that's how it's gained popularity. しじゅう isn't wrong though
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>>115311599
But it would probably make my foreign-ness glare through, right?
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>>115311640
I for one intend using shi and shichi forever, because the change is retarded.

I also refuse to use "oh" instead of zero in English or "meia" instead of seis in Portuguese.
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>>115311640
It'll glare anyhow so I wouldn't worry about it, but yeah
But is 四十 is a part of a word, it's usually しじゅう like 四十肩 or 四十七士
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>にまるじゅうよん
>4を「し」と読む
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>>115311640
I wouldn't care, but it would not be the same as the majority. Some people say しじゅう, so it wouldn't bother people that much. But if 四十 is in a word, it's usually しじゅう like 四十肩 and 四十七士
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>>115311961
Okay I see, and よんじゅう would talk about more like a number of something? like would 四十円 be read as よんじゅう or しじゅう?
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>>115312165
That's exactly where you want to use よんじゅう. The custom to avoid confusion with し and しち started with the merchants, so they'll get the numbers right. If there are 40 units of something, it's usually read よん. What I meant by "in a word" is with words like "四十肩". That has a special meaning on its own, and it doesn't literally mean there are 40 shoulders
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>>115312329
Awesome, that cleared my number issues up, thanks a lot, anon.
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>かける
To wear glasses BOOM you're welcome
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So I've been doing a core2k deck and am soon going to be moving to a core6k one.

I realise I can suspend the first ~2000 cards in core6k, but I'd like all my cards/reviews to be in the same deck.

Is there any way to transfer the due review dates from my core2k cards to their counterparts in the core6k deck? If worst comes to worst I guess I'll just do ~500 new cards a day with a new card easy interval set to ~15 days or something and nuke the cards I already know to be far off in the distance.
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Help me DJT. Because of my Japanese studies, I'm starting to forget English words.

Sometimes I feel like I have Alzheimer's when I'm talking to someone and I end up pausing because I can't remember a word that I want to say. It's been happening often.
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>>115315078
Same thing happens to me, but that's because I only talk to people for maybe 5 minutes a day if that. Perhaps you should be more social?

If you're already social and it's just your mind going to mush, perhaps you should get a Core10k English deck and grind out the words on Anki?
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>>115315078
I once said "charm point" in front of my friends and was embarrased to death
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>>115315121
>more Anki
Spectacular.

>>115315436
What would be a natural sounding version of that? Right now I can't remember.
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>>115315905
Beauty spot, although that really only refers to moles.
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>>115315933
The closest thing I can think of right now is "best features" but then I feel like something has been lost in translation.
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>>115316012
Best features typically describes a good point for someone. Like 'her eyes are her best feature'.
Charm point describes something that's fucked up and tries to make them sound cute. 'Her crooked teeth are her charm point'.

Outside of beauty spot I'm not really sure English has an equivalent as people don't tend to delude themselves to the extent that Japanese people do.
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>>115315436
>>115315905
>>115315933
>>115316012
>>115316093
Healthy.
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>>115316093
>Americans are not delusional
Well, anyway, you can always infer it by context with other terms, like gimmick, trademark, differential, or even make something up that works; trying to stay literal to the Japanese concept, maybe charming feature or charming flaw.
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>>115316525

So, something like an identifier? Something that makes them distinct and cute/charming?

Like Chiyo's ribbons?
How about Makoto's back muscles?
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>>115316908
Yes. Also Free is boring as fuck.
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Real Japanese sounds terrible. This isn't like my animays at all.
Would I look like a fool if I talked like this in real life? I don't really have any other source of spoken Japanese so it's more or less inevitable.
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>>115301099
by finally I mean I didn't do them until 4 am. it took me 70 minutes for 500~ cards
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>>115317095
Japanese is a beautiful language! Have some respect!
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>>115317233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePWKvg_SDVI

yes very beautiful
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>>115317250
>chinese
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>>115317292
what's the difference
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I think I'll consider my Japanese complete when I understand this guy
http://youtu.be/rgvid9d58g8?t=1m3s
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For listening practice, is it recommend to basically clone the core6k cards and adjust the fields so you have some audio only cards?
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>>115317458
Listen to audiobooks, watch Let's Plays, etc.

Listening to one word at a time isn't really going to do much good.
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>>115317498
But you need to recognise and comprehend that spoken word/sentence before you can go on.
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>>115317636
You mean you can't read the kana of the word and know what it should sound like?
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>>115274608


this is one i never read elsewhere but found for me insanely beneficial.

WRITING kanji / kana helps ALOT with remembering and noticing fine differences between kanji
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>>115274128


is anybody here who learns seriously with kanjidamage?

how far have you gotten? and how efficient has it been until now.
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>>115317753
I think you're barking up the wrong tree, friend.
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>>115317753
I actually did the whole thing and I have to say it definitely helped me with Kanji recognition and still does. If you have trouble with Kanji give it a shot.
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>>115317702
I'm referring to anki cards. I currently have a deck with both kanji and listening cards. I find myself having more trouble with the listening cards than the kanji ones in terms of retention.

The idea behind cloning the the core6k deck and having those cards display a blank front (maybe just say 'Listen') and play the word/sentence audio, and then on the back have the kanji, etc, allows you to grind your hearing.

If you're having trouble understanding certain words when spoken you fail the card just like you would if you forgot the kanji, etc.

The only real issue with this is that Core6k goes from a 6000 card deck to 12,000-18,000.
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>>115317869
Yes. I'm saying that's pointless. Just put the audio on the back of the card and listen to native material. Even if you can recognize the word by listening to it anki doesn't mean you'll be able to pick it out in a sentence.

Not everything needs to be done in anki.
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Can somebody help me translate this?

1: ごめんね!委員会が長引いちゃって!
2: 早くかえろうぜ
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>>115317991
You can literally hover over them with rikaichan and get the answers you seek.
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>tfw another corneal erosion episode this morning and now my vision is fucked up in my right eye and I can't read very well this morning
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>>115318071
Nice blog.
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>>115317753

As far as pure kanji memorization goes it works fine but you should probably come up with your own mnemonics, they stick to memory a hundred times better when they're not from someone else. Obviously if the corresponding one works for you as is then there's no need, but they're often a bit out there even if they're not quite Heisig-levels of far-fetched. They also don't include kunyomis.

It's a very similar technique used commonly by competitive memory champions for a reason, but how well it works depends on the individual and their imagination. Try and see I suppose.
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>>115318071
How about you go to a doctor, mate. You don't want to fuck with your vision.
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>>115318071
>>115318122
Do they do a Braille verson of kanji?
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>>115318155
My sister is blind, so she relies on a screen reader to read shit on her computer. I imagine it would work with Japanese.

But go to a doctor. You don't want to rely on a boring robotic voice to read your porn to you.
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>>115318215
I've been going for about 6 months now to a female doctor. I'm trying a new one next week.
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>>115318632
Has she touched your penis yet
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>>115319174
Yes
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>>115285398
newspaper words really overwhelm it after 2k. some of them are so unique to newspapers they dont even appear in jisho



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