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What was the point of this? She is already a mage..
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To make her a woman who knows worms.
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>>115270740
Gotta rewire those circuits.
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Will the wormpit be the edgiest thing Nasu ever writes?

It still hasn't been beaten.
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>>115270740
Gotta get that edge factor.
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>>115270995
>Nasu
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It was rewriting her into a Matou magus. Hence her purple hair and eyes. Sorta like implanting a Crest, but with more penis worm rape.
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>>115271071
>penis worm rape.
Not anymore.
Sakura a pure virgin.
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>>115270740
so as i pray
unlimited worm works
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>>115271064
Yes, Nasu wrote it.

READ THE VN
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READ

THE

VISUAL

NOVEL
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>retard secondaries keep making shit threads
>the mainstream /a/ will begin hating TM
>it leads into "TMshit" treatment
>the amount of retard secondaries is halted as TM threads get shitposted and die out slowly

I want to believe.
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>>115271332
>secondaries
>TMshit in general
>not Fateshit in particular
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>>115271332
Won't happen and the term "secondary" being applied to TM is a major reason why.
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>>115271071
why couldnt they do it another way?
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>>115271597
Because Zouken is an old Japanese man. All he knows is loli rape. And since his body is made out of worms, penis worms it was.
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>>115270740
>What was the point of this?
MATURE CONTENT FOR MATURE AUDIENCE
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>>115271636
his body isn't made of worms and he's russian
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>>115270740
It's the Matou way of training
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>>115271597
Because they didn't know another way, because Zouken didn't care to know another way. I'm pretty sure you could have come up with a different, perfectly pleasant way to do it, and he would still go with the penis worms.
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Did Shinji spend any time with the dickworms?
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>>115271672
His body is definitely made out of worms. Worms are his body, and worms are his blood. Also, the book "Lolita" was written by a Russian, so that's even worse.
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>>115271672
>his body isn't made of worms
Actualy it is
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>>115271708
no you dumb piece of shit, he is a human obsessed with worms
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>>115270740
Worms transfer their ecstasy directly to Zouken as they feast upon the innocent girl's magic and all other parts.
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>>115271708
isnt that a pretty stupid way of prolonging your life? worms arent immortal either.
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>>115271332
>it leads into "TMshit" treatment

That happens since forever man.
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>>115271800
They are his familiars, not normal worms
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>>115271800
Yeah, but they reproduce really fast.
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>>115270740
Change elements and magical attribute. Later it is used to make her resilient enough to act as a Grail.
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>>115271800
The man doesn't have many answers that aren't worms. If you have a nail to hit, he will give you a worm, if you have a report to write, he will give you a worm, if he needs to teach you to be a magus he will use worms, if he needs to teach you to be an educated prostitute he will use worms.
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>>115271733
>not knowing about the 3 different kinds of worms Zouken uses

Blood worms - 吸血虫 - Kyuuketsuchuu
What Zouken became.

Crest worms - 刻印虫 - Kokuinchuu

What was planted inside Sakura and Matou Kariya. Worms that will continue to eat the Prana of the user and do nothing more than transmit whether the user is still alive or not.

Forces the body itself to physically remember the thaumaturgy of a line and hence is regarded. Can expand one's circuits (and will eventually act as artificial circuits in one year) and speed up acquisition of thaumaturgy in a short amount of time provided training. Cost in that case is extremely shortenned life (only a few years) in addition to the pain factor.

Sakura's worms were made from the remains of the 4th grail.

淫虫 - Inchuu (Lust worms)
The lowest of familiars. Used by Zouken. Worms that love feasting on the blood, marrow, and energy of humans. Will shatter the spine of males and suck on the brain, turning them into cripples. Will feast on the mental energies of the women instead by sexual stimulation through the nervous system. Will not normally eat the flesh of women, but the uterus is one of their favorite meals. Will consume the placenta once sexual pleasures, enough to fry the nerves in the brain, are given to the victim.
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>>115271843
>>115271845
why not just transfer his soul into another human or pick a creature that is really long lived?
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Why they even use worms for magic and not say for example pretty jewels like Tohsaka family?
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>>115271879
>Will feast on the mental energies of the women instead by sexual stimulation through the nervous system.
Will a normal penis ever be able to satisfy Sakura?
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>>115271912
>jewels
Too expensive.
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>>115271917
No, but a jackhammer might.
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>>115271917
No. It would require some kind of magical jackhammer. Surely no man has that much virility.
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>>115271917
Sakura never got "lustworm"ed.
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>>115271910
A magus can't just do whatever they feel like, think of it like alchemy in FMA. There are rules and such.
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So if the lust wroms are that bad how come Sakura can still function normally instead of ending up like those broken people in hentai who can think of nothing but the pleasure of sex? Is her mental fortitude that strong?
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>>115271910
His problem isn't how long the worms live but that his soul is rotting away.
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>>115272059
She never got the Lust Worms.
She got Crest Worms.
Still wormrape but not that bad
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>>115272059
If you were able to read you would see that she got Crest Worms
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>>115272082
so how does tha tmake the worms a good idea?
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>>115271879
>Sakura's worms were made from the remains of the 4th grail.
But she was shown getting wormed in F/Z, before the Grail got blown up.
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>>115272111
how is she able to survive for more than 1 year with crest worms
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>>115272225
Because she doesn't need the "1 year wormtraining from hell" to participate.
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If zouken is a few hundred year old magus why wouldnt he participate in the grail war? surely he ha sbetter chances of winning than kariya and shinji/
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>>115272225
>speed up acquisition of thaumaturgy in a short amount of time provided training
That's what reduces lifetime drasticaly and what happened with Kariya.
Who was probably the biggest retard in the Nasuverse
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>>115272283
He is actualy so old that he needs most of his magical energy to keep himself alive via worms.
Also at some point he forgot why he tried to get the grail
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>>115272225
Wasn't as tough Zouken wasn't that concerned about Kariya surviving past the war. Also Sakura had more natural talent which makes it safer to use the worms in the first place, as her magic circuits could handle more stress than Kariya's could.
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>>115271085
>Sakura a pure virgin.

Anon please, im dying here
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>>115272283
Yeah, and he should summon a Servant suitable for his wisdom and guile, like Caster, or Assassin, letting him operate from the shadows!

Secondary retard.
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>>115272283
Because then he puts himself up on board to be killed?
Because Masters like tokiomi, kayneth, and kiritsugu are a big deal?

He joins in heavens feel though, replacing Shinji after he lost in the greatest record time ever. Got impatient, and realised 5th war's masters were pretty shit.
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>>115272198
that's the whole fucking point of the thread, it's not a good idea, but it's just worms so deal with it
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>>115271879
>Will not normally eat the flesh of women, but the uterus is one of their favorite meals. Will consume the placenta once sexual pleasures, enough to fry the nerves in the brain, are given to the victim.
Why does any of this happen.
How does it even slightly affect the plot?
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>>115271085
>Sakura is a pure virgin
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>>115270740
>wait this isn't Hogwarts.jpg
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ZOUKEN JUST LIKES WORMS OKAY
STOP BULLYING HIM
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>>115272362
Yes, bait-kun.
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>>115272362
Its characterisation.
For Zouken.
You are supposed to hate him because of it.
You are also supposed to feel sorry for Sakura, soaking in those shit every day for 10 years.
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>>115272380
that's a pretty fucked up thing to say Shirou
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>>115272395
He should keep his worms to himself rather than going around and trying to share them with every cute girl he knows.
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>>115272380
The real question is why did Shinji decide to stick his dick into a wormhole?
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>>115271940
>>115271944
I don't follow
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>>115272350
He only participated in the 5th war because his long term plan with getting a heir to win him the 6th did go down the drain when Sakura made a contract with the Shadow
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>>115271910

Read the fucking VN.

Dealing with the soul is actual "true magic" Thats the whole reason why Zouken wants the grail.
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>>115270740
sexual drive leads to increasing mana pool
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>>115271910
>why doesnt Zouken just do Third Magic

RETARD ALERT
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>>115272448
Me either. Who the hell are you, anyway? I don't like you.
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>>115272428
>>115272380
The translation for F/SN was already pretty bad, but I heard the sex scenes were machine translated and then edited.
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>>115272198
It atleast keeps him alive for some reason he just can't remember.
Also other animals/things wouldn't help
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>>115270740
reshaping her womb
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>>115272413
What?
Literally the first Fate thread I've ever been not really. I try to avoid this franchise like the plague. Get your head out your ass.
>>115272427
So it really could have been anything "negative" and it amount to the same?
Sounds like shitty writing.
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>>115272203
You found a plothole.
Somebody make a dancing girl gif of this.
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>>115272505

You heard wrong. Takajun translated it all manually.
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>>115272451
>Thats the whole reason why Zouken wants the grail.
How about you reread his deathscene
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>>115272441
that vision power is broken as fuck
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>>115272531
>le shitty writing buzzword

You should try to avoid these threads even harder. Better yet, just avoid this board. Here is a more epic one for you to browse

>>>/b/
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>>115271917
>shirou
>normal penis
pick
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>>115272203

Zouken has been worming her for years. He stated before the 4th, and added the remains of the 4th grail later.
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>>115272551

You're right, I had forgotten. I realized my mistake shortly after I posted. I remembered the use of the third magic as the conclusion, but not as Zouken's motivation.
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>>115272441
Shinji is still a teenaged boy and he wanted to be above Sakura in at least something as thanks to her magical talent the Matou family doesn't give a crap about Shinji and treats him like shit. He pulled the whole "If you feel sorry for me then let me fuck you" card on her. it's like a sick combination of rape and pity sex he does the same thing with with Rider "if you really want to protect sakura let me fuck you" dude really likes to bang dead fishes because neither girl does anything but let him pound away til he finishes.
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>>115272557
yeah i wish i could utilise my eyes to see.
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>>115272111
Then why the concept of Lust Worms if nobody will use them?
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>>115272441
>partner: anyone
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>>115272636
Why not, autist-kun?
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>>115272572
Fuck off. If something could be replaced by anything else with no consequence to the story it is shitty writing.
Now I remember why I never come to these thread. People like you are in them. Do us all a favor and drink a gallon of bleach.
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>>115272441
''The National Korean Dance''
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>>115272656
>hurrr de durr look at my shitposting!!!
>>>/b/
>>>/s4s/
>>>/out/
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>>115272636
Zouken did use Lust Worms on a random woman at some point though.
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>>115272656

Bait-kun, just stop. Here is that reply you are so desperate for. Take it and leave.
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>>115272441
That's a good question, especially when there is a superior maiden in his school.
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>>115272380
What the fuck means an 'educated' prostitute?

And Shirou ever gets to fill her completely? (using trace on his dick) ?
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>>115272632
>"I do not Jackhammer maidens... I create a world in which infinite maidens are Jackhammered!"

>everytime
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>>115272683
>>115272714
>62 seconds apart
>not samefagging
Let's start with this.
Explain why said points are pivotal to the story.
If you can't; then fuck off.
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>>115272738
>What the fuck means an 'educated' prostitute?

A very experienced prostitute.
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>>115272755
>oh fuck, people arnt biting
>f-fuck. Better call samefag whilst soldiering on with my lame bait!
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>>115272722
>Personality
>None, she's a Tsundere.
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>>115272783
You're pathetic.
And by your own logic you are "biting" by replying.
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>>115272783
How about you stop replying to him?
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>>115272451
but he transferred his sosul into worms without the use of the grail
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>>115272815
Now you're replying to yourself.
Good one.
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>>115272650
It loses impact if no char the readers care about suffers from it, retard-kun
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>>115272825
Read the fucking VN.
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>>115272840

I bet you are the same kind of autist who whined at the songs in the Lord of the Rings books.
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>>115272839
>implying
Just stop, anon - please. I'm asking politely.
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>>115272738
A prostitute with minimum education being High School. At least in murica
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>>115272874
Anyone's who not this retard mind chiming in?
Not everyone in the Fate fanbase is this stupid, right?
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>>115272865
No, but it sounds like you might have done it
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>>115272910
Are you beginning to get frustrated that nobody is falling for your bait?
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>>115272910
Right back at you, you're still assuming you're talking to the same guy. I'll do myself a favour and leave this thread, don't bother replying unless you want to stroke your own ego, I won't read it.
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>>115272380
Shinji taught her well.
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>>115272949
>>115272965
Only took you three replies to get your phone out, huh?
And you mean the bait of you explaining what should supposedly be a simple point to the plot?
You realize if you had done that we could have been long over this, right?
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>>115272910
Yeah, it's dumb. There's really nothing to be said about it, my head canon works just as well without it.
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>>115271696
No, because he doesn't even have Magic Circuits. That was the whole point of bringing Sakura to the Makiris, because their magecraft died with Shinji.
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>>115273011
Fair enough.
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>>115273005
>huuuuur everything ever mentioned HAS to have some hurge significance duuuur

New to fiction, autistic or lame baiter. The choise is yours.
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Because Zouken is borderline retarded.

They wanted another Matou magus since Shinji is worthless in every single regard, so instead of being intelligent and merging Sakura's abilities with the Matou crest, Zouken did some experimental dickworm shit to forge an artificial circuit over the one she already had. Basically destroying all of her natural talents and realigning her abilities with the water element.

That's why she merges so well with the grail in Heaven's Feel. The combination of her latent Imaginary Numbers magic and the comical levels of abuse she received all her life made her go batshit insane and try to eat the world.
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>>115273064
why did their magecraft die
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>>115273117
>since Shinji is worthless in every single regard
Hey, fuck you. Shinji is a cool guy who doesn't deserve all the hate he gets.
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WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT

JUST TO CHANGE HER HAIR COLOR AND EYE COLOR?

i fucking hated the VN
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>>115270740
They were forcing Sakura to change her element from Imaginary Numbers to Water IIRC. Which is difficult, like making Shirou learn magecraft besides Projection.
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>>115273129
>Around 200 years ago, the Makiri entered in decline and their offspring started to lose their capacity to manifest Magic Circuits. Although they covered up with the excuse that they were incompatible with the spiritual land of Fuyuki, the true reason behind this sudden fall of their bloodline was never explained.
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>>115270740
Gotta deliver that pandering to keep the normals watching.
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>>115273150
As a magus, the kid may as well be dead. Zero magic circuits and zero aptitude for magic outside of the pre-written book of spells Zouken gave him. He's the real-life equivalent of a script kiddie, essentially.
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>>115270740
who's this sperm worm?
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>>115273174
Inbreeding, then?
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>two episodes without Sakura
ugh
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>>115273174
that sounds like a plot device
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>>115273095
>choise
Didn't you say you weren't going to reply anymore? And no, you weren't intentionally trying to spell that wrong.
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>>115273117
But still still have both attributes...

and Zouken actually doesn't need a heir because he intends to live forever.

Also carving the teachings into the body was the standard Makiri teachings long before Zouken. Zouken just changed the process to using worms.
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>>115273174
>No, because he doesn't even have Magic Circuits. That was the whole point of bringing Sakura to the Makiris, because their magecraft died with Shinji.

The Makiri line moved from their homeland to Fuyuki and fell. For a magus to leave their land carries the meaning of departing from their own magic foundation and is extremely risky.
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>>115273203
Probably had more to do with magi marrying and having children with non-magi.

What infuriates me is that Shirou's parents are never even touched on. The kid has almost as many circuits as Rin, who is considered one of the most gifted magi in the world. How the fuck did Shirou wind up with magic circuits and how was he born with the natural aptitude for tracing to the point of creating a Reality Marble for it?
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>>115273172
Biy did that fail, Sakura never once uses a water spell
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>>115273212
she's never going to show up again
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>>115273292
She utilizes water through absorbtion,binding and manipulation
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>>115273129
Because the Makiris are garbage. As expected from russian magi.
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>>115273292
She captured Saber, Gilgamesh and Berserker with her water element powers.
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>>115273278
>>115273174
Fate/complete material III: World Material - Theory of Magic - Magecraft: Land and Thaumaturgy, p.043

Land and Thaumaturgy
To use magic, what is necessary is a sequence in which a magus, once establishing contact with a magic foundation engraved in the world, sends a command to the magic foundation and executes a premade function. At this time, the fuel used for executing the function is magic energy, and the magus will have to send the command at the same time as the magic energy.

Magic foundations are magic theories that magus schools have engraved in the world, and magic is started up in accordance with those rules and systems. For example, the magic theory with the largest foundation is the “Teaching of the Lord” of the Church. Magic foundations engraved in the form of academia and religions fuse intimately with the veins of the land, and the magus using that magic foundation can perform magic anywhere in the world. However, if the magus leaves the land where his magic foundation was engraved in, he loses the backup of his land, and the force is certain to deteriorate.

Note that the case is different with magic foundations that are not academia or religions but rather are passed down through personal orally transmitted teachings, the limited inheritance in clans, etc. As long as the rules of those foundations are met, it is possible to exhibit the same basic effect no matter where one is in the world.

Matou Zouken
The Makiri line moved from their homeland to Fuyuki and fell. For a magus to leave their land carries the meaning of departing from their own magic foundation and is extremely risky.
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>>115273283
>The kid has almost as many circuits as Rin
He has more than average but that is just wrong
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>>115273292
Actualy I don't remember a spell she used that didn't utilize Matou magecraft
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Why is this TMshit so hard to troll? I've been shitposting for a while but all you do is to explain stuff. This isn't fun anymore, fuck you all and bye.
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>>115273366
Also the Tohsaka family recovers by being buried into a coffin on their land, something about their family being related to vampires.

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"Kotomine, where's Tohsaka!? She was there too, right!? Where is she!?"
"I have Rin resting at her place.
You only had your energy taken away, but she had her magical energy taken away. It would normally take seven days to recover, but the land of Tohsaka is good for her.
If all goes well, she should regain consciousness by tomorrow afternoon."

"I see. So her life's not in danger?"


"No. The soil of that land is special. It is a ley line that is said to have been home to vampires. Rin is her family's heir, so she will be back to her impudent self if I keep her buried for a day."

"……"
I think I heard something I'm not used to hearing, but I decide not to ask about it.
Let's hope he doesn't literally mean "bury".
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>>115273380
Shirou had 18 and Rin had 24, didn't they?
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>>115273366
God but Nasuverse is retarded.
I wonder how much of the post-FSN fluff was invented retroactively to explain away the plotholes.
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Anyone have dl link of servant stats.
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>>115273283
>The kid has almost as many circuits as Rin
Isn't that because of his shitty training so he makes new circuits every time he wants to cast magic?
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>>115273443
27 vs 40, not counting the 30-odd she has from the crest.
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>>115273443
Nope.
Shirou has 27 and Rin has 40 + 30 subcircuits
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>>115273366
so if a mage goes on a holiday overseas wont their magic deteroriate? same for all the mages who go to the clocktower to study.
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>>115273489
The crest has nothing to do with the subcircuits
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>>115273446
Except land and mages were a common part of many wizard/mage tradition in history.
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>>115273517
The Makiri/Matou magecraft deteroriated over the span of 200 years.
Also vacation != moving
>>115273446
What is so retarded about it?
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>>115273517
No, didn't you read?

Magic foundations engraved in the form of academia and religions fuse intimately with the veins of the land, and the magus using that magic foundation can perform magic anywhere in the world. However, if the magus leaves the land where his magic foundation was engraved in, he loses the backup of his land, and the force is certain to deteriorate.
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>>115273502
>>115273489
Well shit.

Why does Rin barely do anything other than fire a few magic missiles at Shirou, then? I get that she fucking blows Berserker's head off in the Fate route in addition to reviving Shirou, but why are those the only times she's shown using genuinely powerful magic?

I never really understood the Tohsakas. From what I understand, Rin deposits all of the mana she naturally produces into gemstones, and supposedly that's just one of her family's traits, hence why she whines on a couple of occasions about how they never had any money. Is that the extent of their abilities, though? Can the Tohsaka not cast magic unless they have a charged gemstone to do it with?
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>>115273502
There's no such thing as a subcircuit.
She has 40 circuits each of which has an output of 30 arbitrary units.
Shirou's are 10 each.
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>>115272452
>>115272452
except he trolled her till she made the contract, she was resisting at first, but he was constantly laying it thick on her to make her make the deal. The talk with shirou at the start made him start.
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>>115273650
How about you learn to read?
Magic Circuits [Magecraft]
Pseudo-nerves within the body of a magus.
Magic circuits are responsible for converting life force into magical energy, and for connecting to the underlying grand sorcery formula.
Because the number of magic circuits a person has is fixed at birth, magi lineages do what they can to improve themselves and create an heir with even one more magic circuit.
Once the magic circuits have been opened for the first time, the practitioner can switch them on and off at will.
Each practitioner visualizes the flipping of this switch in their own particular way. For Shirou, the image is that of a gun's firing hammer, while for Rin it is stabbing a heart with a knife.
This image tends to be related to how the circuits were opened for the very first time, so there even those who can only open their circuits through sexual arousal or self-harm.
By the way, Shirou's number of magic circuits is an unexpectedly high 27.
Rin, on the other hand, has 40 main circuits, while her sub-circuits are 30 each.
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>>115273629
You need massive amount of power to deal with Servants since most of them have magic resistence or defensive NP/spell, the jewel's capacity basically increases her output.
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>>115272610
but stilling your dick in a wormhole willingly is just stupid
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>>115273569
why didnt the matous just engrave the foundation in fuyuki and why didnt they think deteroiation might be a problem when they moved?
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>>115273679
Right back at you faggot.
>quoting wiki
>quoting shitpoor translations without reading comprehension
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>>115273750
That's the side material faggot.
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>>115273746
You could but it is a risky stuff to do, they probably messed up in the process and realized the problem too late.
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>>115273750
That's the god damned side material.
Have the nip one if you want

魔術回路【魔術】
魔術師が体内に持つ拟似神経。
生命力を魔力に変换する為の路であり、基盤となる大魔術式に繋がる路でもある。
生まれながらに持ち得る数が決まっており'魔術師の家係は自分たちに手を加えて、魔術回路が一本でも多い後継ぎを诞生させようとする。
一度開いてしまえば,あとは術者の意思でオンオフができる。
スイッチの仕方は術者のイメージそれぞれで、士郎は铳の撃鉄のイメージ、凛は心臓をナイフで刺すイメージだとか。
これは一番初めの“開き”に関係しており、中には性的兴奋で闻くもの、自傷行為によってしか開かないもの、と様々。
ちなみに、士郎の魔術回路は意外と多く、二十七。
凛の魔術回路はメインが四十、サプがそれぞれ三十。
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>>115273750
It is quoted directly from the side material
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>>115273479
those nerve circuits he makes are disspelled once he was done. If you could make new circuits every time you wanted every magus was spending day and night making them
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>>115271102
>F/Z
>VN
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>>115273818
And it is dangerous as hell to do, if Shirou messes up even a bit, it could easily kill him.
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>>115273849
Are you actualy retarded?
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>>115273851
It's also absolutly useless if you have circuits.
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>>115272059
Because Zouken is the man who tosses too many crest worms at Kariya, and then laughs at him being a cripple for life.
Then laughs even more because he did it wrong.
Then he forces him to summon Lancelot, to benchmark Lancelot for use in 2-3 wars time, and let suffer from the intense prana drain.
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>>115270740
Is it ever explained how exactly did Kariya get to avoid worms as a child? Obviously, everyone knows that he forsook his family and turned away from magic, but it's not like he was able to do this as a child, is it? What stopped Zouken from feeding him worms when he was as old as Sakura was in F/Z?
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>>115273939
Because Kariya was a piece of shit not worth feeding worms to.
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if bazett wasnt killed would she win the war with lancer?

And how long would it take before lancer fucked her?
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>>115273939
Because Zouken didn't expect to be ready to have someone for the 4th grail war, and Kariya doesn't have a lot of potential, and he left the family long before the 4th started.
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>>115273629
because every servant had magic resistance.

saber. rider and lancer have class magic resistance. berzerker could only be hurt by A rank and higher spells (which requires her to use the gems, which are compressed magic). She never faces assassin, caster is fucking caster so a normal modern mage cant stack up against that.Gil is Gil.
So she has magic but it is useless most of the time. Same with masters, The one she knew was ilya and she is strong aswell.
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>>115273629
They can do a lot. Its just her own particular style.

Rin has a lot of prana production but a limited output. The gems are a great way at draining surplus prana and storing it in vessel with huge and instant output.
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>>115273849
Fuck off.
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>>115273629
>a few magic missiles
>gand "curse" shots that should give someone a mild cold if it hits
>become literal bullets that blow holes in concrete.
>flu shots
>concrete catches a cold so hard it shatters

No, that's really serious magic right there. She is broken as fuck.
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>>115273446
>Nasuverse is retarded

Wait until you see the fanbase
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>>115273851
yeah but a magus would do it if those were permanent circuits. He does it because he doesnt know he has his own circuits. Those are easier to use and wont fuck you over if you lose concentration
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>>115273979
Berserker is still the main road block, but she might have a chance at getting Illya if Lancer could keep Berserker busy.

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Bazett Fraga McRemitz [Person]
Source: Fate/side material (2004-1-30), p.069
Fate Dictionary
Lancer's original Master. Fate unknown.
She was a foreign magus dispatched by the Association, and summoned Lancer using a pair of rune stone earrings as the catalyst.
A beautiful woman dressed as a man, her abilities as a magus are top-notch.
She is an enforcer, tasked with the capture of sealing designated magi. Essentially, an existence similar to the executors of the Holy Church. She is extremely skilled in both sorcery and martial arts.
Though she probably would have ended up being a threat to Rin if she had been able to participate in the war, she was taken out prematurely by a surprise attack from Kotomine.
The reason for that is because she and Kotomine were actually old friends. Back when Kotomine was still an executor working for the Church, they often ran into each other on assignments and fought together as comrades.
So, when Kotomine, who until then had never relied on her even once, said he wanted to meet with her, Miss Bazett was secretly elated. With no reason to doubt him, she walked right into his trap.
She didn't even have time to call out Lancer, before Kotomine cleanly sliced off her left arm from behind and stole her command spells.
Afterward, he gave Lancer two commands.
The first was to make him accept Kotomine as his Master, while the second was to make him gather intelligence.
As for what the final command spell was used for, that's covered in the story itself
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>>115273818
>If you could make new circuits every time you wanted every magus was spending day and night making them
If you could make 99% good replicas of noble phantasms by just spending some mana, every mage would do it. 99% of mages can't use Projection to create magic items.
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>>115274011
But the reason he didn't have anyone ready for the 4th grail war was because he planned on having Kariya fight in that war and Kariya left the family so there was no one left to do it?
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>>115274025
Actually her output far exceeds her reserves, she uses jewels because at the end of the day, going to bed with 40% reserves when you're going to have 100% in the morning is a waste.
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>>115274043
The actual fanbase without secondaries is fucking small though.
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>>115274054
>wont fuck you over if you lose concentration
They still would but not as hard
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>>115274093
Also gems make it possible to release A rank magecraft with a simple one word command.
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>>115273435
>Rin is vampires now

What in the actual fuck?
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>>115274060
>if Lancer could keep Berserker busy.
With his luck, he'd trip over a rock while they're fighting and take the full brunt of Berserker's swing.
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>>115274093
doesnt she draw blood to store mana that way? that seems pretty inefficient. wouldnt it be easier to store vaginal fluids instead?
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>>115274025
>Rin has a lot of prana production but a limited output.
Somewhat the opposite actually. Her maximum output is almost double her current reserves.

She uses jewels because having 40% left when you go to bed is a waste of resources, since in the morning she'll have a 100% again.
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>>115274159
The Guy who taught her family magecraft was a DAA.
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>>115274159
She isn't, but her family have association with a certain vampire. You know Zelretch? He's a dead apostle ancestor that gave the Tohsaka family the blueprint for the Jewel Sword.
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>>115270995
Compared to how edgy Tsukihime is wormpit isn't that bad.
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>>115274196
>>115274199
So i guess you just pick up vampire habits if you learn from them or something?
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>>115274218
I'm interested but what in Tsukihime is more edgy than the wormpit?
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>>115274240
Tohsaka did say she's from the Schweinorg lineage.
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>>115274251
Rape and chair.
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>>115274240
Sleeping on leylines helps recover your body.
Especialy if your magic crest is closely connected to those lines.
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How is it possible that Tohsakas are closely associated with the Church if Church hates both vampires and mages and Tohsakas are associated with both?
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>>115274251
-Ciel raping and eating her entire village (including her mother and father) when posessed by Roa.
-Everything to do with SHIKI
-Kohaku's grudge
-Shiki raping people
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>>115274199
>Zelretch travels to Fuyuki
>Looks at his allies
>Zouken is getting Soul Alzheimers, and he doesn't want to appoint a heir
>Acht doesn't want any real heirs, and is making artificial humans by the mass, so he can guard his secret snow castle, which he also refuses to leave
>Tohsaka is a marital arts idiot
>Realize his choices are shit, and gives Tohsaka clan a free blueprint
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>>115274319
Not as edgy as wormrape
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>>115274251
Read the VN.
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>>115274314
Because the Tohsaka family are long time Christians.
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>>115274314
Because one of the Tohsakas was a secret Christan, during the age where Japan had a ban on religion.
Its also the only reason Zelretch talked to them.
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>>115274350
Acht isn't that old.
I think he was mentioned to be the Einzbern master during the 3rd war.
Kinda fits his plans
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>>115274351

I think you'll find that Ciel's entire backstory is more "edgy".

Anyways, you deserve a ban for using that buzzword seriously.
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>>115274314
They're good diplomats and Christian. You could easily see them as being a family mediators between powerful but benign Vampires and the Church.
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>>115274314
iirc the Tohsaka were some of the first Christians in japan, back when it was illegal to be christian in japan. Being generations long devout members of the church gets you points with them.
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>>115274350

TYPE-MOON Fes. Official Pamphlet 10th Anniversary Q & A Booklet:

>Q: Why did Zelretch give the design of the Jewel Sword to Tohsaka Nagato, who had the least potential amongst his pupils?

>A: This student Zelretch took during his journey was mediocre, cold, and bipolar. Even Zelretch exclaimed "Hey, are you crazy or something?" However, Nagato was a good man who is "willing to sacrifice himself for a better future". Although the Einzberns and Makiris were brilliant, they were fundamentally evil. Nagato was mediocre but good at heart.
Zelretch concluded that "this House will probably never accomplish anything great, but at least they will never stray from the righteous path". He then gave the design to Nagato and told him "alright, it will be a struggle, but work towards this goal".
Where there is a will, there is a way. The Tohsaka lineage stubbornly followed the teachings of the great master, and finally, after the gentlemanly Tokiomi, accomplished the impossible.
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>>115274166
assuming berzerker doesnt get a luckroll on his gay bulge zerker will probably be knockout for a sec allowing bazett to pop the loli
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>>115274403

Fate/side material - Encyclopedia: Tohsaka Nagato [Person's name], p.067

Nagato Tohsaka [Person's name]
The head of the Tohsaka line back some 200 years ago when the Heaven's Feel ritual began.
At the request of Justeaze and Makiri Zolgen (Matou Zouken), he took part in the ritual.
He was really a secret follower of a certain foreign faith, but one day, a strange old fart showed up and led him astray. And so, from that time on, he became devoted to the world of thaumaturgy.
So as a result, the Tohsaka line has some influence in the Church and has gotten some pretty fine treatment in the Association. The reason the family's managing Fuyuki is because they have pipelines with both organizations.
Nagato saw both thaumaturgy and the martial arts as being equal. As such he had the idea of grasping Akasha by passing through the state of nothingness (from bujutsu). Which would be the point recruited by the Einzberns and Machiri.
Just by being Rin's ancestor, he's quite the goof-up (it must be the genes). Nagato was also the least promising of Zelretch's apprentices. Apparently, the magus potential was really in his daughter. She was also more helpful in the construction of the Greater Grail it seems.
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>>115274350
Zouken wasn't old back then and he had pretty impressive goals.

Acht hadn't even been born.

Nagato was indeed an idiot, but Zel found him awesome.
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>>115274448
>Zouken wasn't old back then
300 years old
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>>115274448
>Grail Ritual is 200 years old
>Zouken is 300
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>>115274060
Damn, Being Bazett is suffering. She never gets to show off how strong she is.
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>>115274478
Wasn't he 300 years old 200 years ago?
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>>115274478
No Zouken was 300 when the ritual was conducted the first time.
During F/SN he's 500+
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>>115274388
>Its also the only reason Zelretch talked to them.

Not really, see:
>>115274403
>>115274443

TYPE-MOON Fes. Official Pamphlet 10th Anniversary Q & A Booklet:

>Q: Zelretch's pupils seemed to have all been turned into wrecks, so Tohsaka Nagato must be a wreck as well?

>A: If the person is accepted as a "pupil of a Magician", he will be turned into a wreck, but if the person is accepted as a "pupil of a magus", then everything is fine. Nagato could not even be called a "pupil of a magus". From Zelretch's perspective, Nagato was but a follower whom he looked out for every now and then. ....They met during a journey, and Zelretch taught Nagato something as payment for the hotel bill. That is their level of relationship. It is sort of like a supervising teacher who is observing the students doing experiments from afar.
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>>115274403
If the Tohsakas were such wholesome people, it makes you wonder why Tokiomi was such a cock
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>>115274547
500 years of inbreeding.
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>>115274478
>>115274467
Was that so? I just remembered him being head over heels for Justeaze and figured he couldn't have been that old.
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>>115274547
He just followed the mage mindset.
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"…What I got so angry about was how your dad never did anything against that.
'Magic' of a magus isn't just his magic.
Magic is something passed down from parent to child for many generations. It's the 'sum of their life's work'. The responsibility isn't just yours."

"So the first condition for being taught magic is that you will pass it on to later generations. A child born into a magus's family instantly becomes a successor and an inheritor.
We are born for that reason, and we also die for that reason."
"A magus's child isn't human from the start.
No, it is the duty of the 'magus' to change what is born human into something else through many years and hard training.
…That's why your dad isn't a magus. Your dad chose to be a parent over being a magus."

She looks away as she says so.
"……"
I don't know why Tohsaka's mad.
What Tohsaka thought when she was raised in this house…
How much she sacrificed to train as the daughter of a family of magi…
I can't put myself in her place, no matter how hard I try.

"Tohsaka. Is that why you considered me your enemy? Because I don't have the mindset of a magus?"

"...That's right. It's not that I hate you, but I can't approve of you.
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>>115274575
Except he has a foreign mother.

It's totally the other Edelfelt from the third war who "disappeared".
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>>115273629

Rin has shown the following magic abilities:

>Reinforcement magic
>Gandr shots
>Repairing glass
>Insonorization spell
>Using small scouting familiars
>Crest transplant
>Creating magical ribbons (I can't remember what the fuck they do though)
>Boundary field detection, creation and unmaking (partial)
>Creating a new heart to save Shirou's life
>Fire magic (gem)
>Ice magic (gem)
>Wind magic (gem)
>We know she can use the remaining two elements.
>That weird shit she did to Shirou to help him control Archer's arm in HF.
>Neutralizing Caster's magic
>Eating a jewel to prevent her body to be crushed by Basaka
>Second sorcery (after getting the sword from Shirou)
>maybe more, my memory is shit.
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>>115274547
>>115274613
Also:
>The Mage Association is infamous for the amount of power struggle and backstabbing in it. Don't be surprised at how low they can stoop. Remember, the sealing designation was supposed to be a practice to help a mage's research under the guidance of the association, but Mages often use it as a way of getting rid of people or getting control of them.

>If Sakura didn't inherit the magic crest, she would be used by the Magi Association (due to her potential and unique attribute). It is not unheard of for the one unlucky enough to not be the family heir to receive the sealing designation (since they don't have the crest, they don't have much ability or influence to resist it. And basically no else but the family would stand for them).

>It was choice of Sakura becoming a political tool or potentially a labrat, or become a Mage family heir and actually has the power or influence to have a say in magi society and to prevent a possible sealing designation. It is the same reason why the Magi Association wouldn't touch Rin unless they have the proper excuse. Having a magic crest is like the first line of defense against Magi Association abuse.
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>>115274637
>Creating a new heart to save Shirou's life
That's healing which is part of Earth I think
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>>115274636
I finally understand why Rin and Sakura look identical to the Edelfelt sisters in HA. Well, shit.

Doesn't that make Rin and Luvia cousins?
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>>115274547
How was he a cock?
It's not like he knew Sakura is going to get worms. He just thought he was doing her a favor by letting her be raised as the heir of another extremely powerful family and be raised as a magus, while if she stayed a Tohsaka, he would have to make one of his daughter a magus and another just a worthless muggle who isn't going to inherit anything.
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>>115274661
>The Matou family was one of the 3 families that furnished the Holy Grail ritual. They were of a long lineage and one of the few mage families in Japan. Compared to the Einzberns, they were more close to the Tohsaka family in terms of distance and amount of contact. Although the three families would oppose each other in the grail war, they would still work with each other outside of it; this was as much to keep the real purpose of the grail war under wraps as it is to make sure the odds are subtlety stacked against the outsiders in the ritual.

>The Matou lineage was from a foreign land and was incompatible with the land, thus each generation have less and less overall magic circuits. This means eventually they will lose all their power unless >something is done. Thus giving Sakura to the Matou as an heir was a way of building relationships with the family and to expand the Tohsaka’s influence for the Holy Grail Ritual. Yes, it’s a typical asshole Mage behavior, but it is a choice Tokiomi made after much consideration.

>As for cutting off contact with Sakura, when you send someone to another family to be an heir, especially a Mage family (they typically jealously guard their secrets); its usually poor manner to act like the child is still part of your family. At worst, it would be like you are using that child as a spy for your family.
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>>115272738
she went tho whores college
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>>115274539
You don't understand how Christening works, do you?

>>115274547
He simply forgot that Zouken has not appointed a heir in more than 400 years.
And thats very odd, of a clan where they have a method to pass down multiple crests.
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>>115274676
Fuck, I forgot healing. She uses it a few times in the VN.
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>>115274661
>If the family opposes the Magi Association's decision, they would pretty much lose their place in that society. And that would also means Rin loses her chance to play a role in the Magi Association and have her potential limited. This means saving Sakura from that order would likely screw over all future generations.

>If the Tohsaka decided to just give Sakura to a normal family to have 'normal life'. It would just give the Magi Association an excuse to take her away. They would claim she would otherwise have too much wasted potential, and yes they were likely to know of Sakura's potential because the Tohsaka's are the custodians of Fuyuki lands, and Tokiomi tends to be an old fashioned Mage that prefers to follow customs, while Rin didn't have the mindset to follow the cold hearted methods that being a Mage requires (It is one of the reason Kiritsugu doesn't want Shirou to be a typical mage due to customs that requires them to have mind of steel) and with Rin's personality its means she was less likely to follow every custom especially after the events of the grail war.

>To Tokiomi who have worked hard all his life despite his lack of talents, it would be an even crueler thing to not give two (mage) daughters the opportunity to succeed (and it is not unheard of for children to fight over the rights for the magic crest, like with Touko and Aoko).
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>>115274680
second degree I think
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>>115274689
>Other than that, Tokiomi wants Sakura to get used to treating the Matous like her family. He expects when Sakura became old enough to hold responsibilities, then they can freely meet as people from different family.

>However, Tokiomi was expecting the Matou to go through their usual process of preparing Sakura for the role of the heir, regardless of whether the fact the Matou uses worms was known to outsiders or not, the methods Zouken used on Sakura was actually intended for Zouken’s secret plan as it involves altering Sakura’s body extensively both to make her more of a Matou mage type and so that her offspring would have what Zouken need have an edge for the next generation Grail War (he didn’t expect the 5th grail war to start so soon, and was planning on waiting for the next one too before an event in HF made him change his mind). Because of Zouken’s conspiracy that may betray the three families, the more intrusive worms method was actually something that outsiders were unlikely to know about, and it is unlikely Kariya could reveal the exact process to the Tohsaka family considering Zouken could kill him on command using the worms.

>Remember, magic are inherently dangerous, and many mages died from accidents and side effects. Thus all mage were taught that they must always prepare for death. This was like one of the first thing Shirou learned, and every night he risks killing himself immediately if he messes up his exercise in the shed.
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>>115274680
Rins fathers mothers siblings daugthers dauther is Luvia.
Not her Fathers sibling daugther.
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>>115274681
>sending your daughter to the house of a creepy centuries old freak of nature

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG
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Isn't using Shirou's projection magic kinda cheating for the Tohsaka to accomplish their goal of recreating Zeldretch's sword?
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>>115274831
No, because he can't replicate it properly. It's a good effort, but it's still a rank or more down from the actual thing.
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>>115274831
To use it you still have to wrap your mind around how the second magic works.
Rin states in the epilogue that she would be able to recreate it if she had the materials.
It's also likely that she will be able to create it some time after UBW or Fate
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>>115274775
Not to be mean, but is English not your first language?
>Rins fathers mothers
Rin's paternal grandmother.
And you can just say Rin and Luvia are second cousins.
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>>115274881
I think you missed the point of that scene. Its not a replication, its a 1:1 copy. Of course, Rin, like always, messed up badly in how to use it.

>>115274831
Zeldretch blueprint is pretty good.
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>>115274351
Only a couple of characters are involved in a short wormrape bit in FSN, in TH the entire VN and all of the cast are like that.
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>>115274967
Its not. In my language, cousin only applies to first degree. We don't have a word for 2nd degree.
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>>115270740
She needs the Matou magic crest applied to be permanently part of their mage line. It was also why Kariya couldn't just run away with her at that point, the crest would need to be removed.
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>>115274831
>>115274893
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…Yes.
The truth is, I can recreate the gem sword.
I comprehended the blueprint and the theory during that fight, so I can copy the sorcery if I have the needed material and time.
Well, I need a lot of money for it, so it's nothing I can accomplish in tens of years.
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>>115275001
Shirou didn't use the blueprint, he used the memory inside of Illya (who was partially based on the original head of the Einzbern at the first ritual) to analyze and create the sword.

>>115274893
No, Illya even told Shirou not to try to read the second magic.
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What's the deal with magical inheritance bullshit, anyways?

The reason Waver Velvet was a magus was because his grandmother was a lover of a magus and he taught her some basics, so that made her eligible to start her own mage line.

But Sakura can't form her own branch of the family/start a completely new mage family because she was already born to one?

What's the logic behind all this?
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So apparently 1st hgw Asassin could kill people by holding hands

She's clearly lewdest Servant.

Also, fucking A+ AGI
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>>115275127
I never said that Shirou was able to understand the second magic, but that Rin had to be able to understand it to use it
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>>115275127
We been over this since the VN was translated.
He used a part of the blueprint(which is pretty shit, since Shirou can't read mage), memory, Ilya using her blood special(Wish), and gems, so they could have a physical weapon instead of a degraded projection.
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>>115275164
You are misunderstand. You build the family inheritance using the magic crest.
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>>115275164
>What's the logic behind all this?
Sakura had so much potential and a rare affinity that she would have been "protected" by the clocktower.
It's also called sealing designation
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Why is she such a bitch?
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>>115275164
Muh crest.
Also Nasu is retarded.
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>>115275164
Sealing Designation is a organization that bully orphan mages with potential.
Inheritance is important because a mage can write down his entire lifework in any crest, but he can't do that once he is dead. So you can only pass down the dead persons stuff, by transfering said crest to the next person.
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>>115275237
She train from child.
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I don't think I can handle 22 more weeks of this shitposting.
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>>115275193
No, Rin in HF at the time didn't understand that his projections comes from his reality marble which was why she prepared all the useless materials that Shirou didn't need.

Shirou doesn't need any materials, he only need to analyze the memory from Illya.

see:
http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20366/
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>>115272738
>What the fuck means an 'educated' prostitute?

Your mother
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>>115274478
Isn't Zouken technically a dhampire or some shit?
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>>115275385
If he would eat humans more regularly he would be a Dead Apostle
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>>115275363
Shirou doesn't need any of the materials, yes. BUT: That also means it disappears once its being stop fed mana.
Shirou still had to spend the gems, so Rin could get a physical Kaleidoscope.

>>115275385
Just because you are immortal, and eat people, doesn't mean the church will classify you are a vampire.
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>>115275237
Because he wasn't a good son.
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>>115275327
Hope you enjoy 36 then, because it's splitcour
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>>115275476
Fuck
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>>115275385
No, he is only referred to as a vampire.

Vampires in Nasuverse refers to any blood drinker. Dead Apostles are the traditional vampires. That's why Arcueid is called a vampire, despite being nothing like a traditional vampire.
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>>115275519
Isn't Nero Chaos also classified as Dead Apostle (Ancestor)?
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>>115275519
This is retarded
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>>115270740
Worm Moe.
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>>115275455
No, Shirou's projections can last almost permanently (though it is harder for NP), except he needs to pour a lot more power into making it last (which makes using the arm more dangerous).

Hence why in the Fate route, Rin rants about all his permanent 'projections' in the hut.
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>>115275164
Because low gens are expected to be useless and are allowed to be left to grow in peace.

Sakura had immense potential, far too much to be left alone when she could be put to better use by someone of actual worth from a fine family.

Going solo she wouldn't have any political weight and would only be used.
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>>115275193
Nope. It was a normal projection.

None of the prepared shit was used.
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>>115275606
>Hence why in the Fate route, Rin rants about all his permanent 'projections' in the hut.
But Rin is wrong anon. Shirou can't create permanent projections, because it doesn't work like regular projection.
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I wonder if they're gonna animated all the people getting eaten by worms and stuff in HF movie(s)
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>>115272441
>she has violet eyes that she utilizes to see
top fucking kek
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>>115275568
He is a dead apostle, you know undead, only he have expanded his function.

>>115275583
Vampire [Term]
A general term for those that suck human blood. Refers specifically to the Dead Apostles, or those that have become bloodsuckers because of them.
The vampires in Tsukihime extract human blood to maintain their own flesh. If, during this process, the vampire injects their own blood into their human prey, that human will be unable to peacefully pass away. For a normal person, death will still find them before long regardless. However, on rare occasions, if the victim has high physical potential and the capacity of their soul is excellent, they will remain in the world of the living.
Afterward, their corpse is interred, and left alone for several years. During this time their brain melts, their soul is liberated from the cage of the body, and finally they arise as a kind of living dead called a "ghoul".
As a ghoul, they feed on the corpses sleeping in the graves around them to supplement their own missing flesh, restoring their physical body little by little. After many years of this, they will eventually regain their brain and intelligence. At this stage, they can finally be called a "vampire".
However, although this new vampire can move by their own will, they cannot escape from the rule of their sire's blood. Finally, after spending decades acclimating to life in the darkness, the vampire will begin attacking humans to create servants of their very own, while remaining subservient to the vampire that made them.
In order to obstruct this infinite cycle, the Church created the Burial Agency, Inquisitors that exist to slay Dead Apostles. The Burial Agency's goal is the utter eradication of all vampires, and the sealing of the 27 Ancestors that made them.
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>>115275237
At that point she was complete shattered mentally she was that way until she witnessed the shirou jump and even then she didn't really start gaining life again until the year after Zouken ordered her to spy on shirou.
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>>115275455
>BUT: That also means it disappears once its being stop fed mana.
No.

Things projected don't disappear unless broken or his internal image contradicts itself.
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>>115275656
It's the opposite. Normal gradation air doesn't last, Shirou's does.
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>>115275709
That's true for Shirou, but a normal projection by a normal mage does disappear eventually.
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>>115275709
>Listen to Rin "Wrong about most stuff" Tohsaka
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>>115275606
I thought Shirou's ability was that he isn't actually projecting anything, but just giving physical form to something he already carries with him? Like using your debit card to get money out of an ATM?

Or do I have it backwards, and it takes mana to pull things out of UBW but not to actually create them? Hence why UBW exists in the first place, so he can sword the fuck out of everything without using mana.
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>>115275656
Except Tohsaka was seeing left over 'projection' in Shirou's hut that lasted weeks and still have not disappeared.
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>>115275768
So Shirou is just a special snowflake?
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>>115275830
No, it is more an application of his reality marble. He doesn't really project, so much as pull it from his inner world.
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>>115275776
>Shirou says his things don't disappear
>Durr y u listen to Rin?
Reading comprehension is a wonderful skill, anon.

>>115275768
Ah, that might very well be true but we don't know shit about normal Gradation Air since only Shirou uses it.
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>>115275830
Reality Marbles are extremly rare so yes.
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>>115275794
>>115275830
Shirou projects differently. Shirou "Projects" his internal reality into the outside world, it's a function of his Reality Marble on a small scale. It's called Projection for simplicity, but it's completely different to Projection by other mages.
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>>115275830
Considering that he's one of the few people with a reality marble, and he has a higher-than-average circuit count despite being born to nobodies, I'd say so.

Just imagine if Kiritsugu had given him time hax.
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>>115275592
Brazil does.
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>>115275794
The problem with projection is that you need a fuck ton of details right to make it worth anything. The human mind can't handle that.

UBW acts as a reference library and acts as a huge shortcut to stuff that is inside it.

Hence why the projections in his shed that don't disappear are still "empty". They're copies, but their history and background has been perfectly copied.
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>>115275869
However Noble Phantasm projections don't seem to last long unless Shirou/Archer really pours effort/power into it.
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>>115274681
why didnt kariya tell tokiomi about the worms
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>>115275887
>born to nobodies
You can't know that.
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>>115274637
She also deleted Shirou's memories about the War in a Bad End.
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>>115275887
But much of it have to do with Avalon changing his affinity and origin.
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>>115270740
>want to show this cute innocent chinese cartoon to little sister
>remember worms
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What if shirou did need avalong like in prisma

what happens?
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>>115275951
Tohsaka doesn't know of any magi who could be his parents and they died in the Fuyuki area where she presides, so clearly they weren't very relevant.
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>tfw I read the VN in less than a week years ago and my memory is so poor, that aside from knowing main events I might as well be a secondary at this point
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>>115270740
the sound alone should drive you insane
how she manages to stay sane is beyond me
fucking hell
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>>115275989
How?
>>115275963
Memory manipulation is extremly standard and only complete idiots fuck it up.
See Waver
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>>115275939
It's not a matter of power, never has been. Yes, they disappear, because the world's corrective impulses start acting against them, but with a good mental image it remains just fine.

Like in Answer, Shirou is completely dried of magical energy, but by focusing and clearing his image with the "My body is made out of blades..." line, his Kanshou went from being warped and fading back to a 100%.

Hell, it was Shirou's only projection to stand up to repeated blows against Archer and he had no juice left.
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>>115275980
True, but it's always possible they were from out of town, or they were intentionally low key, or even that Tokiomi did know of them, but died without passing on any information because reasons.
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>>115276017
>How?

In that I cannot pluck out knowledge of details without resorting to an external source, just like a secondary would.
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>>115275939
I am pretty sure the reason why his NP projections don't last is because once broken he denies their existence and thus disappear.
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>>115275942
Because Kariya believes Tokiomi is a jackass who doesn't give a crap about his wife or daughter, that's what makes him annoyingly childish or Chunni. To him Tokiomi is the evil guy who needs to be defeated so he can rescue his love interest and her daughters. It's so laughable pathetic that's why Kotomine had so much fun breaking him.
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>>115275980
>Tohsaka
>knowing anything
>Other than pleasing old men for money
HAH.
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>mah fate
>mah nasu
i'm the cancer of this board.
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>>115275980
He might as well have been the child of magi who traveled there to observe HGW and got btfo or Zelretch's vat-grown experiment.
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>>115275980
That was years before her time, though. She didn't know shit back then.

Personally I think Shirou and Uryuu are somehow related.
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>>115270740
Training.

>>115270995
This Chair comes to mind.

>>115271597
Because Zouken is an asshole and he thought it was more fun that way.

>>115271910
His soul is rotting and dying.
He was already over 300 years old before the first Heaven's Feel.

>>115271912
Because Zouken isn't a filthy magic thief.

>>115276046
>Tohsaka pleasing old men for money
Raiga route, when?
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>>115275989
You need to re-read and lurk in threads more. I have read Fate twice, UBW 4 times, and HF twice.
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>>115276039
Alaya is like the magic DMCA, so it wrecks White Man's pirated swords.
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Also:

Projections aren't fragile as shit, Shirou just sucks. Archer's swords have never shattered in the VN, not against Lancer, not against Saber and not against Saber Alter.

Shirou just lacks delusion.
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>>115276108
That too.
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>>115276082
>Raiga route, when?
Raiga only gives money to Shirou for getting half-naked.
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>>115276126
so he needs to be more chuuni
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>>115275989
>hardly some free time to browse /a/ and watch Fate
>no time at all to reread the VN
Fuck this, I want my neet life back.
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>>115276126
But it did shatter, like in the fight against Lancer.
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>>115276159
Raiga route with Rin as protagonist, when?
Also, Raiga only gives Shirou money if he looks after Taiga and when he wins wrestling matches between the two of them.
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Is origin set at birth or did Shirou pick it up when he survived being at the ground zero of an excaliblast?
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>>115276160
Archer the chuuniest. He's so chuuni that it carries over to HF.

>Ahh! My arm, settle down, my arm! Enemies draw near, my power is going out of control!
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>>115276215
It's set at birth, but can be changed. Shirou's origin changing to Sword was a freak accident that wouldn't be possible under normal circumstances though.
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>>115276126
>Archer's swords have never shattered in the VN

27 times
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>>115276239
Shirou was basically 'reborn' in the that fire.
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>>115276184
>swords never shattered
No they didn't.
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>>115276239
>>115276215
His Origin was always sword and that quote is a mistranslation. He was a freak accident in the sense that everything aligned with the origin,sheath changing his affinity to sword, and having enough magic circuits.
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>>115276215
Origins are set at birth.
However, something in Shirou "died" in the great fire, which allowed the scabbard to greatly alter his makeup, notably his origin.

The standard KnK Shiki dying nonsense from nasu.
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>>115276239
freak accident being avalon shoved inside him
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>>115276184
He dismissed them, because apparently it's more efficient to make a new one than sustaining the swords for longer than needed.
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>>115276284
Except it did, see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NtV8D1rKP8&t=3m50s
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>>115276215
>>115276239
Shirou always had the Origin "Sword", he only got his affinity of "Sword" and useable circuits after having Avalon shoved into him.
Endou has best Origin, though.
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>>115276353
>>115276338
>>115276284

And again at 4:38
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>>115276160
Rin gives an explanation of how Projection are stronger if he magi believes so, but I like the chuuni explanation beter.
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>>115276263
Read the fight again.

It's not "hit so hard with lance that weapons break", that's Saber's thing with Mana Burst. It's "stab and force a guard wide open with a sideways motion.".
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>>115275171
>1st hgw
>when you werent allowed to kill masters
yeah what a waste
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>>115276312
No, what changed was his Affinity not origin. His origin was always sword.
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>>115276378
Nope.

>Q: What is the limit of replication in UBW? The highest level of NP (sword types) is probably Ea, but while it might be impossible for Shirou, could Archer make it? Also, under the meaning of weapons, to what extent can he make modern weapons? Must it be only blade types or can he make guns and mobile weapons?

>A: Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable. There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though. Also, since sword is becoming his origin, the weapons that he has stored are fundamentally limited to close combat.

>since sword is becoming his origin
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>>115276457
This is the damn mistranslation. Thank you for bringing it up.
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>>115276353
>>115276418
lolno ufotable fucked up

>There is no effective way of parrying a lance with a sword.
>A strong rebuff only results in a stronger counterattack, and a weak rebuff does not create any openings.
>"…Twenty-seven. I've disarmed you that many times, yet you still have more."

Not a single one was destroyed.
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>>115276432
The swords shattered 27 times because Archer dismissed them, I never once implied Lancer broke them
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>>115276517
Except Nasu approved.
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>>115276457
That doesn't say much, you can't argue using semantics if you're looking at a translation.
Either get me the original moon and teach me the moon or find an actual argument.
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>>115276531
There's a difference between saying "they shattered because they were dismissed" and "they were dismissed/disappeared because they were shattered".

The latter never happens to Archer.
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>>115276537
So, do go ahead and show me where he did approve that.
While you're at it, prove that Nasu even know English.
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>>115276501

see the second Q&A.

剣が彼の起源になりつつある
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>>115276537
Except original novel.

Or are you saying that Lancer hits harder than Saber Alter, when the Shadow was holding Archer down so he could only receive the full power of the blow? His swords were fine then.

And you know what else is Nasu approved? Rho Aias in F/E against Lancer.
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>>115275989
The VN didn't grab your attention so well, you probably found it boring.
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>>115276583
Because he's involved in the process for the TV show, and he also made constant feeds about the scenes when it aired. He would have complained if it wasn't the case.
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so shirou could only be healed because avalon was used? How how did avalon work if saber was gone?
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>>115276635
>And you know what else is Nasu approved? Rho Aias in F/E against Lancer.

No, that was just game mechanics. Because every player servant needs shields for all the NPs later on.
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If male mages sell sperm as they have mana, can female mages sell love juices for the same reason?
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>>115276650
So, how does that prove that Nasu knows English?

>>115276457
If you insist on using that translation, we have a different problem.

>sword is becoming his origin
That means that his origin isn't sword and never was sword in the first place.
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>>115276649
>less than a week
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>>115276173
read the VN on your phone. For me that is the only way to get time
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>>115276667
Avalon is like a battery. When Saber is around, she recharges it. When she leaves, it stops being recharged, but holds what charge it has for a while. Kiritsugu used the last of its power to heal him.
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Why didn't Sakura just run away like Matou whatshisname in F/Z?
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>>115276738
She had a Crest Worm inside her.
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>>115273849
You're a fucking moron.
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>>115276738
worms
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>>115276684
And swords shattering is a more visually impressive way of showing a fight. Like how in the UBW movie Archer's swords shattered halfway into the fight.

Never once has Archer's swords been shattered.
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>>115276738
crest worm frodo
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>>115276690
>>115276635
Except Shirou shatters Gilgamesh's NPs.

Even the real NPs are not unbreakable
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>>115276690
>So, how does that prove that Nasu knows English?

That have nothing to do with the argument.
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>>115276594
Actually never mind it is becoming.
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>>115276690

see: >>115276594
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>>115276749
what's that mean that she can't run from Zouken nor ask somebody to help her because he's always listening and watching her? Holy hell that's creepy.
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>>115276793
Yes. An unbreakable sword does not exist. But Archer's delusions are on the level where trying to break them is not too different from trying to break the real one.
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>>115272632
>Recent wiki activity
>Educated prostitute
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>>115276738
Because she enjoyed being sexually pleasured by sentient dicks
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>>115276635
It was definitely being damaged in his fight against Rin Saber.

>And that should not take long.
>The magical energy in Saber's sword scrapes away Kanshou and Bakuya with each attack.
>The twin swords cannot take any more, and Archer's arms should be powerless by now.
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>>115276919
Okay, good point. But they still didn't shatter and Saber has a special notification for being a weapon breaker with her Prana Burst.
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>>115271597
Because if zouken couldn't forcibly re-wire her into a matou magus, he was just going to fuck her later to produce a matou magus.
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Would she still be a good girl if she was pure and non wormslut?
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>>115277221
no because shes possessive as fuck
I hate possessive people
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>>115271800
He's a worm that walks. His magic is worms and he is worms and the worms are him. He used to be human at one point, but he put his soul into another vessel (becoming a 'dead apostle', a thing similar to a vampire) so he could prolong his 'life'.

The only reason the church hasn't fucked him up is because he keeps a relatively low profile and doesn't murder the fuck out of everything like some DA's do.
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>>115277221
I think she wouldn't have the same taste in men if she wasn't given to the Matou's.
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>>115276989

The F/SN UBW anime clearly showed the twin swords shattering.

>>115276893
And Lancer's spear didn't shatter when Saber attacked it with full force either.
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>>115276690
>sword is becoming his origin
>That means that his origin isn't sword and never was sword in the first place.
So what is his Origin? Also doesn't that mean that you can change origins in life, since apparently it is still changing.
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>>115277436
>So what is his Origin?
Who knows.

>Also doesn't that mean that you can change origins in life, since apparently it is still changing.
It does, which pretty much contradicts literally everything concerning Origins.
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>>115277362

She would at least notice Shirou if she still saw Shirou do his high jump, right? I doubt she would be as assertive as Rin but she would be a lot more outgoing at least.
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>>115277467
>It does, which pretty much contradicts literally everything concerning Origins.
Sasuga Nasu.
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>>115271910
Because magi are largely constrained by their origins and their element. If you're like rin whose origin is gems and is enough of an exceptional prodigy to have all 5 elements (earth, fire, wind, water and 'spirit') all of your magic will be done via gemstones, but you may have a gem that makes fire or etc.

If you have really specific elements and origins your magic is really specific... sometimes a particularly powerful origin can overwrite your elements, like shirou with Sword and Sword - which leaves him unable to do even the most basic magic other magi could do, but allows him to do absolutely retarded goofy specialized magic (look guys I can make a bajillion swords for next to no magical expenditure!), because the universe cannot distinguish him from being any and all swords.

Your origin is literally the metaphysical connection you have to the 'root' (the source of *ALL* things), it will affect your personality, your actions, your experiences and your magic (even more so if you're awakened to it). If your origin is death, that is literally the role you play in the universe - you are the one who knocks.

I'm not entirely certain what zoukens origin is, but it has something to do with insects and vermin. Which is why his magic is worms/insects and when he used magic to make himself 'immortal' his body became replaced with worms.
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>>115277467
No it doesn't.

from
http://completematerial.pbworks.com/w/page/40075809/Unsorted-Translation-%28arai%29
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Origin
The orientation at the time that an event occurred.
The origin is what defines the existence as an existence. In magery, it also is used under the meaning of alignment.
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The absoluteness called Origin
If alignment determines the root of one's magic, then even deeper than that, is the origin which determined the root of one's existence. The origin is not only for magi, but is the orientation that all things are born with and it's existence itself is thought absolutely necessary.

Those magi with an origin that is strongly expressed outwardly are sometimes removed from the normal alignments and there are times that the origin itself becomes the alignment. Most of those magi exhibit their talents as extreme specialists.
Because of that, it's said that they can reach higher grounds than normal magi.

Emiya Shirou's origin is "sword" and his alignment as a magus is also "sword". Because he doesn't have one of the five great elements as an alignment, he's not good at magic using the five great elements. In exchange, he can manifest Reality Marble "Unlimited Blade Works."
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>>115271912
Tohsaka origin (a thing that tends to run in families) is jewels/gemstones. All of their magic is predicated upon it.

Matou/Makiri magic is different, has something to do with worms.
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>>115277300
why didnt he just become a normal vampire?
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>>115277656
Thank you for supporting my point.
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>>115277685
Do you even have a clue how the process of becoming a DA works?
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>>115277484
Wasn't the reason she saw his High jump because she was wandering around after being raped? If that never happens then no High jump watching right?
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>>115272283
Because he's not a retard. Get other people to do your dirty work for you.
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>>115277685
Because it is not eternal, Roa specifically choose to find another form of 'immortality' even after becoming a Dead Apostle.
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>>115277656
how do we find our origin IRL?
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>>115277593
>If you're like rin whose origin is gems
No her origin is imaginary numbers.
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>>115277593
>Your origin is literally the metaphysical connection you have to the 'root' (the source of *ALL* things), it will affect your personality, your actions, your experiences and your magic (even more so if you're awakened to it).
If Shirou's origin is the sword, and it affects his personality, why is he the least sharpest character in the game?
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>>115277707
No it doesn't, work on your reading comprehension.
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>>115277685
Because the church actively hunts and kills them. And their methods of sustaining themselves are more high profile than what zouken is currently doing, though it's getting to the point where he almost needs to sustain himself on others.
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>three great Mage clans
>two nips and one German

Why do nips love their ww2 mental masturbation so much?
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>>115277809
Amerifat pls go.
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>>115277764
In nasuverse your origin is literally the 'defining moment' of your life.
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>>115277782
Swords aren't sharp
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>>115277800
It supports that >>115276457 is bullshit.
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>>115277782
Because he's a tool. duh.
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>>115277809
It's actualy 1 nip, 1 russian and 1 german
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>>115277782
Well swords also have a dull side.
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>>115277221
No idea, Sakura was doomed from the moment she was born. The magus lifestyle means no matter what she cannot be with her family because they only allow one heir and the other to be either sent to another family or thrown into the normal world. Sakura has way too much hidden talent for any true magus to simply put her into a normal lifestyle and Father Tohsaka was hoping she''d be able to live as a magus then amass alot of clout to become the next Matou head. As far as being a Magus that plan could of been a good one however what he failed to take into account was how non- devotedly magus-like the Matou's are as well as how his servant and student are chaotic. That was his downfall he was too arrogant (another magus staple) and too ignorant to human emotions to see the flaws in his plan.
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I wish Origins were real and we could measure them.

I want to know my Origin
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>>115277770
I've seen a lot of things that say it's gems, though I have heard of this contradiction before, I don't think there's anything to cite for it as nasuverse doesn't like telling people origins a lot of the time. Sakura had a different origin than the usual tohsaka one though (which is part of why she was pawned off).
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>>115277909
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>>115277909
Chuuni detected.
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>>115277930
>Sakura had a different origin than the usual tohsaka one though
You mean affinity.
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>>115277958
Everyone is chuuni bro
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>>115277909
You're origin a shit, anon.
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>>115277866
>The orientation at the time that an event occurred.
>The origin is what defines the existence as an existence. In magery, it also is used under the meaning of alignment.
Now what occurred? Shirou basically everything about his old self and was 'reborn', and this was during the time he had the sheathe implanted in him.

Nothing about >>115277656
stated that it can't be changed.
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>>115277979
I wish I could be. ;_;
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>>115270740
Is Sakura in Heaven Feel the most powerful character in the Fate universe?
She ate Gilgamesh and he couldnt do anything about it.
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>>115277770
Remember that scene in fate/zero where tokiomi decides to give rin a magic lesson... In a room full of gems? where she ends up making a gemstone creature (IIRC it was a dolphin?). If I could find a link I'd link it, but it's pretty heavyhanded in what it's saying - tohsaka magic is gems.
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>>115278082
Yes? So? You can do magic with whatever Origin as long as you have the affinity for it.
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>>115278082

That's her trait, it doesn't mean they all have gems as their origin. Kerrytugu's origin wasn't time.
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Hey guys, a glass window broke on my hand's back when I was going to close it and it will probably left a scar. Can I summon a servant now?
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>>115278068
Fate universe also includes the other stuff Nasu has written, so no. That would be Gaia.
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>>115278159
You can summon a trained medical professional if the cut was deep enough to sever a major blood vessel.
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>>115278217
You'll need a catalyst to help summon the right professional. A cheque worth over $10,000 usually works.
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>>115278150
His families origin was binding, His was binding and severing. His family was working on a means of becoming immortals so they could try and find the route - they 'bound' things to be timeless...
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>>115278361
They severed their connection to the flow of time, actually.
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>>115277909
Shitposting, as is for most of /a/
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>>115277909
What if your Origin were GaySex? Would you want Araya to awaken that shit on you?
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>>115277391
>anime
Not relevant.

They were never shattered in the VN.
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>>115277782
Because swords are sharp but also dense.
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>>115277909
You cant know your origin unless you're awakened to it, and being awakened to it causes you to essentially lose free will, it because almost impossible to stray from your 'origin'.
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>>115278440
Except they did, like Archer's fight against Saber and Shirou's fight against Gilgamesh (both shattered).
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>>115278502
Archer's swords never shattered. Shirou is shit at it so of course he fucks up constantly.
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>>115278502
Shirou isn't being contested here, read the quote chain.

>Shirou just sucks. Archer's swords have never shattered in the VN...
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>>115277909
If Illya, Kuro, and Miyu are all Grails does that mean their Origin will be "Grail?/3rd Magic"

Does that mean her UBW is actually UGW?
Will they defeat Gilgamesh by summoning Enkidu?
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>>115277804
some homeless people dissapear, how is the church going to know its a vampire? people dissapear all the time.
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>>115278440

The anime is canon now. Nasu is embarrassed at how juvenile the Visual Novel is now. UFOtable's show is his chance to make all his changes and will be regarded as canon, and the setup for the remake
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>>115278648
In other news, Rho Aias can block Gae Bolg stab.
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>>115278628
It very quickly becomes a lot more than 'some homeless people disappear' and it turns into 'some villages disappear, and people are magically brainwashed into thinking that there never was a village in the first place'
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>>115278590
>mean their Origin will be "Grail?/3rd Magic"
Nope.
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>Lancer stabs Shirou before materializing

wat
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>>115278648
>a remake is announced
>Takeuchi returns
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>>115278671
Rho Aias can stop EA.
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>>115278733
Actually, why don't servants go into their spectral forms and retreat whenever they're getting their shit pushed in?
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>>115278539
>>115278502
Except Shirou pretty much mastered projections in UBW.

and since the routes are opened up linearly, the prologue didn't want to completely what Archer is capable of, they didn't even talk about him projecting anything at all in Fate route. Nasu want to hide Archer's ability by making you think that the swords special ability were always returning to Archer's hand. But this became irrelevant for the visual medium for multiple reasons.

Also Nasu have input on UBW tv show and he wrote new materials for the show. He also commented on each scene on Twitter. If the sword was breaking and it wasn't supposed to, Nasu would have talked about it.
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>>115278784
Rho Aias can stop Excalibur.
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Type Moon 10th Anniversary Q&A

>Q: What is the reason of the Mana depletion in the world of Extra?

>A: Gonna leak you some info. It is the "what if scenario" caused by a "certain ritual" that occurred in the 1970's. This ritual is not expected to happen until the year 20XX.
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>>115275171
What are her stats, NPs, skills and abilities?

I must know
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>>115278843
No he hasn't. Even in Sparks Liner High he's still lagging a bit behind Archer's skill.
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>>115278590
Illyas Origin is "Cup"
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>>115278843
Much like he commented on Shirou not cleaning the blood away and how painless his magic training was?
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>>115278843
He hasn't commented on how Shirou's eye of the mind isn't shown in the anime. In the VN he does all kinds of tacticool decisions like "If I jump out the window, he will immediately attack, therefore I'll block as fast as I can!".
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>>115278962
Obviously 7 petals can.
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I honestly wonder how many times Shinji gave Sakura a dicking
I mean it's a miracle that Shirou got any pleasure out of throwing his hotdog down that hallway
there must have even been an echo
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Why doesn't Archer and Shirou use more neat techniques like Trace on Overedge and shit like that?
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>>115279186
tohlayzu
ohn

ohhvahedgu
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>>115275171
Is this another retcon? Didn't the first war only have the knight classes which is why the grail could not complete?
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>>115274251
killing defenseless chairs
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>>115279167
>how many times
He rapes her everyday for a decade, honing his dick.

The only time he stops is during Fate and HF which he dies. In UBW he does it again while Rin, Saber and Shirou fuck like rabbits in London.
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>>115279167
Since middle school so plenty by now.
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>>115279014
Shirou was constantly gaining Archer's projection experience from Archer.
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"I guess it's a miscalculation.
I've heard of magic that lets you acquire skills from the past by possessing yourself with a previous self… It seems your skills improve the more you fight me."

"Haa, haa, haa, ha"
My shoulders heaving, I prepare myself for his attack.

"Then my projection shouldn't be the only thing you got from me. That face. Seeing that nasty face of yours, you saw it too, Emiya Shirou?"
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And then after a while, Shirou managed to trace K&B that didn't break against Archer's swords.


HF Shirou hadn't mastered projection because he was relying on Archer's arm.
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>>115279186
Because Shirou is supposed to be weak. Nine Lives is already so BS that Archer should be soloing wars in days.

>but but muh rank down

Yeah, but who says he would have to mirror his enemy? No, he'd read their weapon like Gil sees through people naturally, find out their weakspot and apply their hard counter skill like Gil does, only with pirated skills.
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>>115279111
You have no idea what Eye of the Mind (True) is.

It is something built from a lifetime of experience.
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>>115279227
How Illya says it is pretty cute actually
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>>115279287
Nine Lives attack rank is based on the rank of the weapons, the Axe sword isn't a high ranked weapon so it wouldn't get past god hand.

Strength only increases weapon damage.
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>>115279275
In UBW Shirou never managed to make a KB pair that stood up the Archer. His last pair got wrecked, but then Shirou managed to keep the Kanshou in shape and win.

And
>Kanshou and Bakuya cannot block his Noble Phantasms.
>Archer should be able to with his technique, but I don't have that much skill.

That's pre-UBW realization. I don't know about after he understands his RM, but before that at the very least he was nowhere near Archer in skill.
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Couldn't Archer contact Gaia when the Shadow popped up and just rape it as a counter guardian?
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>>115279406
I'm not talking about the attack itself, I'm talking about copying skills. In Berserker's CM profile under the Nine Lives NP section, it says that as Berserker the skill is sealed and he cannot use it.

The Axesword was a pillar in a temple before the summoning, certainly not a weapon Herakles would have ever used.

Therefore, Shirou read the weapon and copied a skill that had never been used with the damn weapon.

That's like, handing someone a butterknife and then knowing their bank codes because they could theoretically punch it in with the butterknife.
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>>115279337
At B rank.

The actual skill description is as follows
>Eye of the Mind (True) (心眼(真), Shingan (Shin)?) is a heightened capacity for observation, refined through experience.

Note the "refined through experience".

He's always been calm and collected in a fight, observing and thinking ahead.
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>>115279455
Yeah I am sure he has Alaya on speed dial.
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>>115279435
No, his last projection lasted, and it wasn't Kanshou and Bakuya, it was a longsword.
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>>115279559
No, and you are taking shit from the wiki
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Eye of the Mind (True): B
A danger-avoidance ability that utilises the intelligence collected up to the current time as the basis, in order to predict the opponent’s activity and change the current situation. This is not a result of talent, but an overwhelming amount of combat experience. A weapon wielded by none other than a mortal, gained through tenacious training. Using Eye of the Mind, Emiya was able to successfully counter Cú Chulainn’s thrusts that were invisible to the eye.
Even with Rank B Eye of the Mind (True), Emiya was unable to see through Emiya Shirou’s passion-infused strike which put “ideal” on the line.
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>>115279111
And even IF it was, Nasu can't comment on it or it would be a spoiler.
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>>115279604
He still can't use Overedge without Archer's arm.
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>>115279741
Overedge wasn't in the VN, Nasu only included it after seen it in Deen's F/SN.
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>>115279604
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Was Kariya a 虫児病?
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>>115279918
Nope
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>>115279918
>>115279985
Text > CG
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>>115279694
The general description of the skill is from the CM.

>>115279985
Shirou didn't trace a new sword since then, your image is irrelevant.
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>>115279071
If Ilya is Cups and Shirou is Swords, does that make Sakura Rods (penis and kind words) and Rin Coins (old men for money)?
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>>115280034
>>115279918
He only had the image, but he projected something else afterwards.
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>>115278727
just refrain from killing so many people?
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>>115280109
>Rin Coins
I think her origin is poor, otherwise there would be a contradiction
Other origin options for Rin.

Fuck up
Cumdump
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>>115276083
>I have read Fate twice, UBW 4 times, and HF twice.
Jesus Christ man, what a waste of time.
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>>115280109
I have no idea about lore or anything connected to it beyond whatever I read here, but... for some reason I love this theory.
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>>115280133
Yeah, no. He says he uses his last reserves on the last pair. Even Archer notes that he only has eight projections at the start of the fight.
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>>115280293
>what a waste of time.
and yet you are here browsing /a/.
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>>115280502
No he didn't, and CG proves it is a longsword.
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>>115280628
CG is less relevant than the text.
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>>115280697
No, it is, and he definitely went past eight projections.
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>>115280628
>…I focus the last of my will on the Magic Circuit.
>My split nerves scream.
>But I carefully put together the eight steps.
>I project his twin swords.
>Kanshou and Bakuya, two great swords named after an ancient swordsmith.
>I swing them.
>I keep attacking until my remaining energy runs out…!

and

>"That's the fifth one. You should be nearing your limits of reproduction using projection. I know your magical energy capacity. You have three more. …Even though I showed THAT to you, you still misunderstand."
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why zouken doesn't kidnap rin after tokiomi dies? there was no reason for him to keep his promise of only taking one daughter
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>>115280811
1) he definitely went past 8 projections
2) He was only projecting Kanshou and Bakuya in the first half of the fight, but he switched to different projection for the last fight.
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>>115280869
Zouken has honor
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>>115280929
>Zouken has honor
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>>115280746
Nope.

>Archer breaks KB
>"you have three more left"
>Archer projects Caladbolg, Shirou copies and they clash
>Shirou's breaks, Archer throws his away and projects Durandal
>Shirou copies
>they clash, Shirou's break and he falls on the ground
>gets up and uses his last to make KB
>Bakuya gets broken
>Kanshou gets bent and is fading
>Shirou is leaning on it, half-dead
>get backs up, says his first UBW line and it regains itself
>no more projections.
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>>115280869
He doesn't need her. And doesn't she answer to the Association? It could get him in trouble if the owner of the second best land in Japan suddenly disappears and people decide to invastigate. And if they don't there's no guarantee the next magus that comes after Rin will let Zouken be.
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>>115280906
No.

Archer says he has three more left and has used five. Shirou makes Calabolg, Durandal and then last Kanshou and Bakuya.
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>>115280975
Except he did project another sword, go read.
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>>115281075
No, he did another projection.

http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20218/
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>>115281121
No, he didn't. I literally summarized that scene in terms of projections here>>115280975

Shirou had
>KB(You have three left said here)
>Caladbolg
>Durandal
>Final KB
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If Zouken wanted an immortal soul so much why didn't he just convert to Chistrianity?
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>>115272441
>She has violet eye that she utilizes to see. This power of hers allows her to gather information visually.
I fucking lost it.
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>>115281250
Why didn't Illya just wear safety goggles?
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>>115281242
GO FUCKING read, he fucking projected another sword after Kanshou and Bakuya
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>>115279004
STR/END D
AGI A+
MGI/NP C
LUK A


NP is holding hands
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>>115281317
Where, before Caladbolg? Yes, he said that he had three left.
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>>115279985
You do realize Archer calls his own sword a longsword and Shirou's just a sword, right?
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>>115275171
I wonder what the original Hassan would be like, and if he would be strong.
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>>115281425
No, are you fucking blind? It's after his last Kashou and Bakuya projection, you know when he is leaning on his fading Kanshou.

>>115281506
It only mentions Shirou using a sword, and never calling it by its name like it always had.
Even after Shirou pulls the sword out of Archer, he didn't even call it Kanshou.
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>>115281397
Skills are presence concealment(duh), independent action, dagger throwing, shapeshift, poison resistance.
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>>115275776
this pic like
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>>115281585
Bull-fucking-shit you idiot. Show me the damn line where he projects another.

It goes
>Yang-sword Kanshou regains its image.
>"You..."
>"That's right. I already knew that…"
>…This is just a dream.
>But I kept on believing in it because I thought it was right.
>Kiritsugu pursued it because he knew it was an unattainable dream, an impossible ideal.

>Even if it may be unattainable…
>He believed that he would reach his destination if he kept running.
>I ready my sword.
And then it's all a flurry of sword strikes. WHERE THE FUCK DID HE PROJECT ANYTHING?
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>>115281690
>poison resistance
How is this useful.
Short of some Kerry-tier flooding the whole town with VX I don't see the utility of something so specific.
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>>115281882
>How is this useful.
So she can still scratch her own nose?
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>Ilya's origin is Cup
>Cups tarot suits is equivalent Hearts poker suit
top uruk
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>>115281775
Here's where he projects Kanshou and Bakuya after the other random projections, but 'should' be the 'last' project by Archer's estimation.

>My split nerves scream.
>But I carefully put together the eight steps.
>I project his twin swords.
>Kanshou and Bakuya, two great swords named after an ancient swordsmith.
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After Bakuya was destroyed, he was leaning on Kanshou, he begins another projection like >>115281080 stated.

He projected another (blank?) sword and regain his Kanshou's integrity from proper visualization.
So he is wielding the long sword and the remaining Kanshou at that point.

The CG prove it is a longsword and all the remaining text only refers to it as a sword, never by either Kanshou or Bakuya
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>>115282210
Oh hell no.

It's Kanshou, he didn't project anything, he doesn't have the magical energy left to do that. He doesn't project anything in>>115281080

And it's called a sword because writing 剣 is faster than writing 干将 and the ruby text かんしょう every time he just wants to say sword.

The CG is wrong.
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>>115282210
That's some mighty elaborate bullshit, but bullshit nonetheless.
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>>115282499

No, see the image >>115282210, it occurs after the image from >>115281080.
>The swinging swords are crazy
This definitely implies two swords at that point.

And Shirou pretty much often refers to Kanshou and Bakuya by name, but he never does for his final sword, even after he pulled it out of Archer's body.
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>>115279838
>He didn't read Heaven's Feel.

Move along, nothing to see here.
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Woah, I had forgotten that Kiritsugu's dad could screw with time, too. Why didn't Kiritsugu teach that shit to Shirou?
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>mfw missing 3 bad ends on HF

One is the Geass end, the other two I don't quite remember, should I do them?
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>>115282669
Do you even know what overedge is?
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>>115282656
No, there was no other sword. Read it from Shirou's point of view, there is only the one sword.

The "swords" doesn't refer to swords, but swordblows. A page later Archer refers to it as a single sword again, when the counter to his own four strikes comes for his neck. And then Archer notes that both of his hands are holding onto one sword.
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>>115282803
Except there is.

And the CG was approved by Nasu and it was the fucking same in all iteration. That proves it is the longsword.
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>>115282711
Read the VN.

After F/Z, Kerry was fucked by grail mud and died like a bitch, without any further accomplishment. I guess you could consider it an accomplishment that he totally mindbroke a little boy.
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>>115281397
Thanks

New and updated, get it
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>>115271162
Sure,
can you give me a good download link?
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>>115282905
No, there isn't. One sword, that's it.

And it's not a longsword, Archer refers to it as a sword. Hell, even DEEN got it right, how is this confusing you?
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>>115283027
No Deen get a ton of shit wrong, especially thinking that Avalon was a reflective NP capable of reflecting Ea, and the entire Shirou and Gilgamesh fight in UBW.
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What is even the point of this argument? I lost track.
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>>115283084
Haha, the fact that you took my DEEN lifeline is enough to convince me you have no more arguments left.

One sword, no tracing, Kanshou only, final destination.
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>>115283176
No you are the one that won't accept that it was a legit CG especially since it is same for all versions of the VN.

Shirou doesn't even call the sword by its name, unlike with Kanshou and Bakuya.
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>>115270740
training for the body and mind
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>>115283250
Because writing ruby text is honestly a pain in the ass, which is why I never do it.

The only reason to use the names is to tell the reader which is being used, see when he uses caliburn he calls it just a sword.
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>>115283398
Except it doesn't take much effort at all, all you need to do is Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V. And you don't even need the ruby text when all you need is the Kanji.
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>>115283487
Nasu always writes with the ruby text. Mirror Moon didn't include it, which is shame. A lot of Shirou's spells are a lot cooler with it.

And he has dozens of words he wants to use it for, do you expect a nip in 2004 to spend the time to keybind every single one?
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>>115283554
No he doesn't always write kanji with ruby text, especially since he is not using the Chinese pronunciation with the Kanji for Kanshou and Bakuya.
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>>115282961
why is endurance DEF?
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>>115283650
Yes he does, that's like his entire hook point for noble phantasms.
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>>115283699
Because it's their armor/toughness stat.
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>>115283699
DEF/END is basically vitality, also translation errors from back then.
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>>115283708
No he doesn't, prove it.
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>>115283827
You want me to literally post every instance of every noble phantasm being mentioned?

Eh... How about we do the reasonable thing and you post one where he does not use it.



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