So we can all agree that this (and the whole -monogatari series) is anime of the millennia, right?
Hard to beat.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
If they didn't cut down on Shinobu's lewd scenes, and the loli trio's chances for lewd in Second, it'd be perfect.
Still easily one of the best series around.
I fucking hate when I accidentally flub all over the place.
>typical horriblesubs user
How about no?
>I bit your cock.
No anime can be called anime of the millennia without a manga adapation.
the manga was better
>not I bit your tongue
That kinda ruins the whole scene
What were the best sub group for this?
I bit your tongue was an amazing translation to put there. The guy who thought that up must have been proud of himself
I thought the dialogue was one of the main draws of the show, if not this what show has good dialogue?
Will Shaft animate the third season? The final book came out last month, but I haven't seen any discussion on it.
boku no pico
beat me too it.
I streamed that with Spanish subs, so I duno about that one.
There was a spoiler thread a while ago about it but aside from that. I haven't seen shit cap'n
It's actually more or less the literal translation. Another reason to avoid unnecessary localization.
very few people on /a/ can actually read nip
gay pedo shit
Shit's great and sales incredible, if anything they would probably keep going after there out of source material.
Oh, for real? Damn. I love when the translations get super lucky. It makes the puns Nisio does just feel better
Everything that's not pedo is actually closed to being homosexual than lolicon stuff.
Also, I hope you will cool down after a little vacation.
Karen confirmed for Ara's top girl
Unless they say otherwise, and I don't know why they would.
What was up with Sengohara calling Hanekawa master (sama) in I think Nise?
You say that but he's still got three girls more important. Senjou, Shinobu and Mayoi. Karen is like probably just in the top 5 if we include his respect for Hanekawa
Hanekawa was threatening to tell Araragi that she loved him, Senjougahara didn't want her to do that so she played along. However being Senjougahara, she deliberately made it sound a lot worse than it was
If he met a genie being with Karen with literally be his only wish
I'm so glad I didn't watch it first on HS. Loses 50% of the impact.
Except for the part where he says he has a ton of wishes right before he goes into his incest speech
You just made my day, anon. I wonder if Kizu will come before the final season.
Katanagatari was better.
still, that would still make Karen his top priority
>b-but guys animation is eberything!!!1
Nope, get this garbage out of the equation, and animu will be saved
now hold your horses son,
Watch more than one anime.
bakemonogatari was the only good series. the rest were just boring.
It was boring after Hitagi's arc
>people who are not fluent in nip, think monogatari is good
oh man all these puns that don't matter sure are ruining my experience
who cares about the godlike visuals or engaging story or loveable characters
baiting this hard
Now you're just baiting.
You forgot to add tilting
what does that have to do with being "fluent in nip"
this anime being based on a nip novel
Is this how far we have fallen? That people would consider monogatari to have an engaging story. Its monster of the week shit, but at the end the monster gets added to the harem.
Monogatarifags will say anything to justify their terrible wish-fulfillment anime.
And? Every anime is in Japanese. Are you not allowed to think an anime is good until you've memorized all 2136 regular use kanji?
Ok so you haven't actually watched anything past Bakemonogatari. Thanks for playing though.
How can it be gay pedo shit if there isn't a single shota?
Everything past Bakemonogatari has even less of a story.
confirmed for not watching anything past Bakemongatari
Where were you when our lord and savior Kaiki was assassinated, /a/?
>confirmed for not watching anything past Bakemongatari
Why do people get so mad when something is good and they try so hard to deny it?
Is it because they know their favourite show isn't as good? or just because they get frustrated when something is succesful because their lives suck?
He knows those feels.
why do people with low powerlevels try to convince others their 6/10 anime is the greatest thing ever?
Callin an anime 6/10 doesn't make it more true if you're not able to present any arguments on why it's 6/10
The visuals are good, the dialogue is engaging and deep and the character development is well done.
Why are you so angry at well done things? I agree that it's not a masterpiece but if you say it's "bad" or "not good" you're simply an ignorant or a buttmad shounenfag of some short
Because it's a boring harem series where nothing progresses. There's nothing engaging about the dialogue, the visuals have been overused and they're no longer creative or interesting, and the characters are insanely dull fetish tropes.
Take away the presentation of the series, and you get a guy helping out girls over and over, with all of them falling for him.
Did Phoenix kill Araragi's unborn sister in her mother's womb and replaced it, or did she just nest there with no prior pregnancy going on?
From what I gathered from the last thread, the phoenix put a fertilized phoenix egg in the mom's womb shortly after Karen was born, so there never would have been an egg to replace and morally there's no moral problem with the phoenix or Tsukihi's existence, besides the "lying" part but if neither party knows the truth can anyone be lying?
Those are all bland arguments that aren't objective, it's boring for you, the dialogue doesn't engage you, and you feel the visuals have been overused.
Saying something doesn't make it true.
Also it's not harem, Araragi has a girlfriend even if the rest of the girls fall for him. I think your problem is that you don't understand the show, you can only look at what's in your screen and you're unable to interpret things
>and you feel the visuals have been overused.
Have you not seen any other SHAFT show in the past few years?
>Those are all bland arguments that aren't objective
As are yours.
>Saying something doesn't make it true.
This applies to you as well.
I guess we're done here, I can't change your mind, and you can't change mine.
I feel like a hipster for enjoying this series so much,
>morally there's no moral problem
whoops, I added moral twice in the same sentence
another question is how did Kagenui or anyone find out that Tsukihi is a phoenix?
Poor otaku's Mononoke.
why the FUCK did you have to remind me of her death faggot?
>No moral problem
Besides sticking a phoenix egg in her womb
>Not reading the LNs
yeah, besides that
It's repetitive, anticlimactic shit, and I regret the time I wasted sitting through Bake and Nise before finally dropping this horribly repetitive and anticlimactic shit for being repetitive and anticlimactic. And shit.
As cancerous as Madokfags.
I bet you're the type of fag that wanted it to climax with a fight.
>Not liking something you like means they automatically like shit and/or Naruto
>expecting every piece of entertainment to follow three act structure
Claiming it to be outright bad automatically makes you dumb.
No it doesn't. Enjoy your circlejerk.
Claiming it to be the anime of the millennia automatically makes you retarded.
>show is good so people like it
>i got shit taste
The best thing about this pic is that it actually is a pretty accurate description of each scene in it in a non-sarcastic way.
I said no such thing.
>can't understand internal plot.
Why must you be cancer anon?
something got in my eye, Damn.
>Take away the presentation of the series, and you get a guy helping out girls over and over, with all of them falling for him.
Take away the plot from any plot-driven series and you'll end up with a pile of shit. Take away the characters from any character-driven series and you'll end up with a pile of shit. You can't take away the presentation from Monogatari because that's the point.
That's how a circlejerk works. Instead of actually addressing any flaws or the possibility that it may not in fact be this masterpiece you believe it is, you simply dismiss all dissenting opinions as "shit taste" or whatever association them with things you don't like. Basically as bad as a Naruto forum.
Report and hide poorly disguised bait threads.
I never said it's the 2nd coming
it has its issues, everyone knows that
it's still one of the better animes coming out in recent times
> you simply dismiss all dissenting opinions
if you don't back up your opinions you're worse than the cirklejerkers and are the classic 4chan anticirklejerking hipsters that are all over all boards
Here you have it, folks. Monogatarifags are illiterate underage morons.
>Being an antiantiantiantianticirclejerking antihipster
literally the only good thing to come from Bakemonogatari was Hachikuji.
You just said it's repetitive and anticlimactic.
Well I think it isn't.
What an engaging argument.
10/10, would debate again.
That's not how you spell Katanagatari
I know, it's hard getting all those a's in there.
>implying there's something wrong with phoenixes sticking their babies into people's wombs
don't tell me you wouldn't want a cute phoenix sister
Definitely my favorite anime.
he's becoming quite the Nosferatu
The secret of this show is that it appealed to everyone. The brain-dead haremfags, the intellectuals, the pseudo-intellectuals, the pedos, the otakus, the romantics, and the hype-train retards.
It had something for everyone, so everyone bought it. If you're someone who hasn't yet developed a keen individual taste in shows, you will enjoy it. Furthermore, you can identify which of the many aspects you did enjoy and find more specific stuff to watch afterwards.
It's essentially the perfect entry-level anime, which explains why it is simultaneously loved and hated here.
Kaiki told her.
>sorry i ftubbed
"i bit your tongue" was better even if less accurate.
I want to fuck you right in the ass. And then we can switch.
I'll lick your shaft clean too.
I wish my sister had a peenix.
Anyone have the pic of Kaiki dressed up like snake?
I have a few of Kaiki in the nude.
I like it, but if I had to pick the best Shaft anime, it'd be SZS every time.
It's a shame they'll never animate the ending.
Ummm, it has good openings and endings.
That's about it.
Sakurai is slightly less mysterious in this.
>that disgusting hair
What was he thinking?
From 2000 onwards? Cowboy Bebop ended in 2001
Cowboy bebop wasn't even the best anime of 90s OR 00s
Bakemonogatari as a whole isn't a bad show, it's not terribly great, but it's not pleb tier tripe either. It manages to handle itself where it counts, enough in fact that - it can keep someone watching interested long enough to want to see more.
However, that usually ends somewhat quickly as the more you see, the more you realize that Araragi is your average perfect fuckable male MC who gets all the ladies and only is that subject ever touched upon ONCE, and they manage to navigate around the norm by placing him in a relationship for a change, which was a fresh outlook on what would be considered a harem.
For the most part, the animation is pretty stable, but there is some cost cutting at times with the frame-shifts. The animated scenes in which multiple things happen are cleverly done, admittedly, and the animation itself always seems to never fluctuate much.
The plot itself could have been better outside of context, there's not much to improve upon considering it followed pretty closely to the source material, so I'm unsure of why people even bitch about the plot.
If you didn't read the source material, you, admittedly (and most definitely logically) have no right to bitch about the anime, well I take that back, you have a right to, but you look like a fucking moron. If you didn't read, AND like - the source material, why the fuck would you be surprised, and come to dislike an anime that you never read the original material from?
You should read the source material first, as you should with EVERYTHING. Then you enjoy the anime after an adaptation is announced. If you're an animeonly fag and shout loudly how you dislike an anime - don't. You're wasting your time. The people who most likely read the original material first and foremost will be the people who - if they liked the source material - come to appreciate seeing their favorite source material from this or that or whatever - come to life through animation.
>If you didn't read the source material, you, admittedly (and most definitely logically) have no right to bitch about the anime, well I take that back, you have a right to, but you look like a fucking moron.
The source material might be better, but any good adaptation should be able to stand on it's own. If it doesn't, then it's a bad/lazy adaptation, and someone can see that without reading the source material.
If you're watching bakemonogatari, or you watched it for the first time, and never even knew the source material existed, and you think it sucks, well that's probably because you didn't read the source material and weren't able to determine whether or not something like this would be for you in the first place, and watching the anime, only to determine it blows, is simply a waste of your time in a multitude of ways, including you simply watching something that you previously didn't even know existed until it was adapted.
Moving on: the character development was pretty constant, but for a lack of a better word, kind of blew cocks in terms of who they decided TO develop. Some characters outright did not deserve as much attention, or screen time as others, but for the most part since the airing of the most recent adaptation, all of the characters have been pretty fairly fleshed out.
Music in bakemonogatari is negligible, as it like most any other anime, sets the tone in the series, but other than that isn't very memorable or worthy of mention.
So overall, the anime itself isn't a fucking masterpiece by any stretch, but in terms of its ranking amongst other anime like it - it at most - outclasses them by a large margin, and in the least - is noteworthy.
TRUE anime / manga faggots know that, in a 1 through 10 ranking system, 9 and 10 rankings are almost unheard of, as they seldom actually exist in reality outside absolutely undeniable masterpieces, so being honest by still using a 1 through 10 ranking, would rank this, if 8 were the highest RATIONAL ranking you could possibly give an anime without looking like an edgy, over-confident, fanwanking, shit-taste having retard who ranks everything a 9/10, I'd honestly rank Bakemonogatari a 6/10. Above average, hardly.
Everyone else will tell you it's not, but that's because they belong on fucking MAL where they scarcely rank anything properly and want to believe that no numbers exist below 5/10.
Now fuck off.
>If you didn't read the source material, you, admittedly (and most definitely logically) have no right to bitch about the anime, well I take that back, you have a right to, but you look like a fucking moron. If you didn't read, AND like - the source material, why the fuck would you be surprised, and come to dislike an anime that you never read the original material from?
Why would anyone dabble further in a franchise if they hated it? I mean in cases like utter abortions like DEEN Fate/Stay Night sure, but who actually read the source material of every shitty anime they watch in the hopes it's well, not shitty?
>You should read the source material first, as you should with EVERYTHING
Decent series for their looks/design but it doesn't matter when the story is dumpster level.
>The source material might be better, but any good adaptation should be able to stand on it's own. If it doesn't, then it's a bad/lazy adaptation, and someone can see that without reading the source material.
That makes absolutely no sense.
If you didn't READ the adaptation first, how would you know it doesn't stand on its own if - like you say - they never read it in the first place to fucking know that it's an inaccurate representation of the source material in the first place and doesn't "stand on its own".
You're contradicting yourself. My statement still stands and you're an idiot.
pls stop trying
Nigga do you really expect me to read the Bible in Latin
>If you didn't READ the adaptation first, how would you know it doesn't stand on its own
Same way people review movies you massive retard
>Why would anyone dabble further in a franchise if they hated it?
My point exactly.
> I mean in cases like utter abortions like DEEN Fate/Stay Night sure, but who actually read the source material of every shitty anime they watch in the hopes it's well, not shitty?
Not sure what you're trying to say here
And that is?
Im not sure you understand what you're actually saying, pretty embarrassing, honestly.
Most of you faggots are exclusively animeonly fags anyway.
A good movie adaptation should be able to stand on its own as a good movie (with solid writing and directing) even if people have no idea it was based on something else. It's not complicated.
Good until the last 2 releases. Especially Hanamonogatari was boring to the point it got tedious for me to finish it.
>Not sure what you're trying to say here
Trying to say that in cases of truly, utterly garbage tier adaptations, it's fair to shit on someone that refuses to engage with the far better source material.
Monogatari is competent and faithful enough to be reviewed on its own merits. This thread is about the anime after all.
Like OP said
>So we can all agree that this (and the whole -monogatari series) is anime of the millennia, right?
Can't exactly comment on the animation (in motion) and the OST when referring to the light novels, can we?
It's pretty embarrassing that despite hammering out all that shit in multiple posts you still can't understand something as simple as this >>115276955
>if you watch watch the anime on it's own how can you judge if it's able to stand on it's own.
Are you actually retarded?
Do you know what stand on it's own even means?
>You should read the source material first, as you should with EVERYTHING.
I love Monogatari but do you autists actually believe this?
I'm saying that's an erroneous concept, and a flawed way of thinking. The source material is ALWAYS the original. It's simply brought to life after a commission is given to a particular group of people to direct, animate, etc etc.
The source material, or original works, are what matter most, if it becomes popular enough, it being brought to life is, and will always be a secondary thing unless it is directly stated to be an original concept.
Stuff without source material on the other hand, is what should be good enough to stand on its own without having to rely on having something to be adapted from, and unlike adapted material, is open to much more criticism because of the risk it's taking. Not being liked right off the shelf, metaphorically speaking.
With adapted material, at least you have a chance. This doesn't just apply to bakemonoshitari, it applies to all anime, and movies for that matter.
No, just him.
If you need to read the source to be able to enjoy an adaptation it's a shit adaptation.
That said if you do like the adaptation you should read the source if you can.
>all this autism
It's pretty embarrassing that despite hammering out all that shit in multiple posts you still can't understand something as simple as this >>115276955
I understand it, it's just fucking retarded to think that your way of thinking is the only way or the highway, and besides it's subjective.
please stop. you're a fucking idiot.
Why do SHAFT make such amazing shows?
>well that's probably because you didn't read the source material and weren't able to determine whether or not something like this would be for you in the first place
So YOU read the source material?
That's nice but nobody gives a shit about your personal preference.
Stand on its own means just that: stand on its own. Independently.
>If you need to read the source to be able to enjoy an adaptation it's a shit adaptation.
>people actually do this
It should always be the other way around. You should read the source, and if you like it, then watch the adaptation and judge it by its merits based on what it's adapted from.
Why the fuck would you watch it adapted and then go read the material in that order? How does that make more sense then reading it when it comes out, finishing it, and then watching its adapted release?
I swear you guys are fucking idiots.
Nobody is trying to say the adaptation is better than the source. But if you think that every adaptation can't be enjoyed completely devoid of the original source you're just wrong.
Most adaptations can be enjoyed more if you are able to read the source as well but it's not a requirement to be able to enjoy it to some degree without it.
That's what stands on it's own means. Able to be enjoyed and understood without other references or sources.
>that aloha pattern on the inner fabric
Excellent work, fanartist.
I bet you just watched Bake and not the rest if the series, let alone know about the audio comentaries
>It's pretty embarrassing that despite hammering out all that shit in multiple posts you still can't understand something as simple as this >>115276955*
Anyway, bakemonogatari LN is as it is, period.
If you didn't like the source material, I can't fathom why anyone would go on to then watch the goddamn anime, and bitch about the anime being bad when they didn't like the fucking material in the first place. That's all I'm trying to say, essentially.
Animeonly pleb race doing it backwards is your choice, but you're essentially mostly all trying to say it's ok to put the horse behind the carriage.
There is no such thing as an anime getting a fucking LN adaptation or a manga.
It's always the other way around, so it makes >>115277238
etc etc all look like fucking retards IMO.
Is it because you guys don't know where to find and download the source materials that you think your bullshit way of thinking is a good excuse?
That'd be pretty autistic if you ask me.
It would make sense to do that but the original might be too long, no accessible or in a different language. Did you read through the original english version of hamlet before you watched the lion king?
>s it because you guys don't know where to find and download the source materials that you think your bullshit way of thinking is a good excuse?
>Did you read through the original english version of hamlet before you watched the lion king?
What are you talking about? Hamlet was adapted from Kimba the Lion.
Anon, I think you need to have a glass of milk and calm down or something.
But we're talking about an anime that doesn't. It literally does not stand on its own, and the meaning of standing on its own is not what you think it is anyway.
>Most adaptations can be enjoyed more if you are able to read the source as well but it's not a requirement to be able to enjoy it to some degree without it.
>That's what stands on it's own means. Able to be enjoyed and understood without other references or sources.
Im not saying it can't be enjoyed on its own merits, I'm saying that it's retarded to think you think it should always be, and that starting on an anime and knowing it has source material that the anime in question came from - and coming to the conclusion that the anime sucks when it's an already fleshed out story is kind of retarded when you could have known before hand if you would of liked the anime in the first place by reading the source material.
That's it. Simple as fucking that.
>Paragraph upon paragraph of autism
>That's it. Simple as fucking that.
Are you related to Nisio himself by any chance?
>Im not saying it can't be enjoyed on its own merits,
That is exactly what everyone thinks you are saying.
>enjoying one of the most popular anime franchises of all time
>yes literally all time
Yes. A hipster. Right up there with people that like Marvel movies and Taylor swift.
I wish I could bask in Araragi's radiance.
I read books too. Such a nerd.
Ah. A fan of hipster books such as harry potter I see.
Ah, I see you too are familiar with the "harry potter"
No, I'm afraid not. I don't read hipster books. I only stick to main stream stuff. I'm a pleb like that.
All monogatari's are best gataris.
That's too bad. One day you will be able to appreciate the fine things in life like Harry Potter and Pepsi.
>Suffer from synesthesia
>All the colors are fucking wrong for the voices, tone and BGM
>Watching the show with the saturation reduced to 15%
I thought the dialogue was beautiful.
Pepsi best drink, Coke a shit.
Yes. But some are more best than others.
Except Snake. Snake a shit
Sucks to be you I guess?
inb4 snakefags derail this thread with another 500 posts of how snake is actually great.
Third no and out.
Wish gorefag was here.
>Wish gorefag was here.
>All of these >beautiful dialogue - comments
>No one points out >beautiful animation
Have you got a link to that? The wiki hasn't updated the plot yet.
it's in animesuki too
Why is horriblesubs bad for Monogatari?
Some anon in another thread recommended it but then people say to use commie.
But I thought commie was shit.
Why won't you people make up our minds?
Monogatari is the one show Commie does right. Or more right than alternatives anyway.
Commie wasn't available on UN.
His expression here terrifies me and I don't know why. It literally makes my skin crawl, and I like Oshino.
Only valid point
Oshino is a suspect motherfucker. Unlike Gaen and Yozuru who you can pretty much understand are going to fuck you. Oshino composes himself better than the rest by being a crazy awesome aloha.
No-one suspects the aloha
What is the best OP and why is it platinum disco?
And he remained suspicious 'till the end
Vote for most overrated anime studio
Oshino is harder to read, compared to Kaiki and Kagenui. Kaiki is nicer than he seems, but in general he looks and acts like a creepy asshole and that's what you generally get from him. Kagenui is pretty straightforward as well.
What I'm saying is that Oshino is secretly a psychopath and you should be scared of him.
It's a good rule of thumb to be scared of strange homeless men in aloha shirts, anon.
There seriously must have been a "You must be this suspect" to get into the Occult Club at University and Yozuru just punched her way in since she's the only one who's not suspect
Oh so that's why Oshino preaches independence in the people that come to him. He wants to get them alone
>implying there's just one
Also, the brief spurts of good animation really aren't impressive when the other 95% is a slideshow.
They're more impressive because they stand out more.
If you see a random man in a hawaiian shirt looking at you with that expression, you should run.
Kaiki best girl
Kaiki not even best exorcist. Get out of here with your lies
Kaiki best theme music then.
What...no. Shinobu's theme is infinitely better. I don't even like Shinobu and I can see that. Though Hoyoku is the best song
Kagenui is hot as fuck in both looks and demeanor.
Just like Kaiki, in a way.
Her demeanor is holier-than-thou, hypocritical bitch though.
I mean whatever pitches up your tent I guess.
Yes. It does wonders. Arrogant hot women make my heart go dokidoki.
Do you jizz your pants over Gaen?
Her voices gets my motor running so hard. And I love a woman who can punch a hole through my chest.
>>Suffer from synesthesia
Wanna trade your suffering for mine?
Are you suffering from being a faggot?
I don't have to answer that.
What' a 8/10 or above in ur book if they're so rare?
I don't know what you people like so much this worse Mononoke
He's one of those guys that thinks 10/10 means its perfectly flawless
He'd give Hamlet a 9/10
Why Kaiki doesn't have nipples?
The deep plot.
such a round pectorals, almost like boobs
Nipples are too lewd, anon. This isn't porn.
Because Monogatari is more character driven and people like characters.
Also they like seeing them naked.
Yeah, sure. I wanted to throw all those bitches out of window, especially Slug.
>such shit taste
It's snail by the way.
>I don't know what you people like so much this worse Mononoke
I guess we solved the mystery for you.
We don't hate the characters like you do.
Shaft, your character art is confusing my dick.
I don't see the confusion anon.
Would you rather the girls from Monogatari or the girls from SZS?
The SZS girls all terrify me, so not them.
I'm late to the party, but here's a condensed version
I can agree with this.
People who disagree without showing any evidence are just trying to be edgy, not liking things because they're popular. If you don't think the dialogue is great, at least say why.
It's mostly the characters. The girls are all varied enough for everyone to have a favorite. There's not many boys for the femanons, but Araragi/Meme/Kaiki/Episode are all good-looking enough for them to ogle. And there are lots of toptier vas for everyone.
Also the fanservice.
last novels adapted where this gets fixed when?
when does kizumonigatari come ? im really sad that its over with the monogatari series, its pure gold
I hear the consensus is never.
Can't I have all of them?