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So we all agree the Rebuild movies were awful right
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Depends, did you seek storytelling or Good animation?
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Only the third one. The first two are the best Eva movies.
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The first one is a rushed mess, the second one is pretty good, I haven't bothered with the 3rd and possibly won't for the final either.
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>>115247573
Once 3.0+1.0 comes it will change your opinion. Mark my words.
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Rebuild is a disappointment and I hate it.

But the first two are all right. Felt like it was going somewhere. What the first part of Evangelion made me feel, which makes them OK in my book.

But the third was so bad it can't be redeemed.
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>>115247573

>liking 2 without liking Q

Your opinion is that of a mongoloid Rei fag
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>>115247647
Not him, but give it a rest. 3.0+1.0 is going to be shit as well.

There's nothing it can do to actually redeem Rebuild after 3.0.
The one thing it CAN do, is pander more to waifufags or husbandofags, which is something that suspends their sense or rationality completely.
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Asukafags btfo T minus when?
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It's all a matter of opinion. Compared to the original series it is absolute crock of horseshit with characters who feel like a hollow imitation of their former selves.

Place it by itself and it is pretty fucking great, even with paper thin motivations and shitty time skip in 3.33.
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>>115247718
His opinion is the only one that makes sense though. First two work, the the third doesn't.

Even if you have nitpicks about the animation or style, it's all things that the third does just as bad if not worse.

You're saying Reifags have best taste.
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1 was boring
2 was great
dont even remember 3
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I agree that they are worse than NGE, but that don't change the fact they are fun

But of course, this being the eva fanbase, people just need to overreact at all chances
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>>115247751
>Place it by itself and it is pretty fucking great, even with paper thin motivations and shitty time skip in 3.33.
Gonna contest that - without the "EVA" name, it's pretty much garbage isn't it?

Without the solid backing of the franchise name , it's just another set of garbage anime movies without any worth besides the big budget.

Like so many other new entries in new franchises.
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>>115247877
What is every hollywood movie ever?
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>>115247928
How does that further the conversation topic at all?

You dumb.
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>>115247751
There are wrong and right opinions.

The right one is that 3.33 is shit, and is only enjoyable for it's massive budget. Intellectually it's insultingly bad in a myriad of ways.
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>>115247815

Except the second doesn't work, it had completely abandoned the tone of the original series by then, if you liked the direction the second movie went with the series but don't like the third movie then you are nothing but a sheep with malformed opinions
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>>115247751
>Place it by itself and it is pretty fucking great
No, place it by itself and it's still horseshit.
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>>115248022
>Intellectually

Nice job sounding like a cock sucking faggot from MAL.
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>>115248025
>Except the second doesn't work, it had completely abandoned the tone of the original series by then,
Wrong.
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>>115247972
Of course I dumb, but so is every american who goes out to watch a movie for anything other than a date.

>>115248025
2.22 did have that nice Rei end that you know Anno really wanted to do.
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>>115248085

Your deluded, ignorant opinion doesn't change the fact 2.0 had Spiral Power Shinji and Poka Poka
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>>115248022
>Intellectually
Holy shit is this fucking guy serious? Are you literally trying to say it's just "2deep4me" or something

Get fucking real
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>>115248144
Your deluded ignorant opinion is what makes you resort to buzzwords instead of actually making argument.

Enjoy being wrong!
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this is more fun to watch than a race war.
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>>115248025
How does the second not work? Picks up right after 1.0, and has a story that works while having understandable, believable characters and escalations of development. That works, unlike 3.0.

Even if we put the standard to be the original, it still works since the part after 1.0 (Ramiel) is lighthearted as fuck, with fun and robots. Rebuild 2.0 basically does that while adding new elements that are pretty interesting.

Honestly anon, you're giving me the vibe of a irrational fanatic with that much delusion in your post.

If you're just going to mindlessly hate just don't bother posting.
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>>115248144
Oh boy, here comes the anti-Rebuild 2.0 trolls with more butthurt than brains. Thought you guys were extinct.
None of the Rebuilds are as good as NGE, but you guys take the cake with your stupidity.
you're actually hurting everyone who dislikes Rebuild because of your tendency to be idiots when talking Rebuild
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>>115248184

Please point on the buzzword in my post, you mongoloid

Or are you just spouting "buzzword" like it somehow invalidates my argument like you're some retarded /v/ermin?
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>>115247827
>2 was great

Literally how do people have this opinion

1 was boring as shit aside from the visuals, removed all character development + themes and ended on a stupid cliffhanger

2 was the exact damn same thing, 3 was a bunch of bullshit thrown together with no explanation and somehow even more boring than 1

How anyone can like any of them is beyond me, they are a literal borefest
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>>115248313
>Spiral Power Shinji and Poka Poka

You have no argument. These are not arguments. There are buzzwords.

>somehow invalidates my argument
>my argument
WHAT argument? Google "argument" and see what it takes to make one. You're spouting buzzwords and your post even now just shows how much you're failing to communicate anything at all but delusion.

Maybe you do have a point, but you sure as hell aren't making it beyond being retarded, which is fitting since your conclusion is shit.
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Rebuilds are literally a ton of Michael Bay wet dreams.
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>>115248346
You just find different things great probably. 1.0 doesn't end on a cliffhanger either, so pretty much I think you don't know what you're talking about given the rest of your post.

This is coming from someone who wouldn't call any of these movies "great", they're just par for the course in being Evangelion. Evangelion takes a lot of time to wind up to be great, two movies won't do shit without proper context.
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>>115248391
This, it's a shameless attempt at cashing out and ruining a great series by appealing to the masses

Everything that made Evangelion, well, Evangelion was removed in the movies in favor of wasting money on the visuals of 3 minute battle scenes and an hour and a half of fanservice with no character development or plot enhancement at all.
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>>115248382

>Spiral Power and a sentence from the movie are buzzwords

You are a drooling retard, kill yourself.
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>>115248496
I think that's best fitting for you. You do a lot of shit posting without making any arguments.
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>>115248492
Amen.
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>>115248479
Nailed it.
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>>115248203
It's also more fun to watch then all three movies combined.
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>>115248496
They ARE buzzwords you fucking moron. There is no spiral power in evangelion, and "poka poka" is just onomatopoeia which even if spoken in the movie, doesn't form any sort of coherent argument in itself.

You are using it as a buzzword.

>>115248492
It's not even that. If it was an attempt to cash out, it'd probably be a lot better than it was.
Rebuild is Anno's shameless self-indulgence.
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>>115248492
Hurr my armchair psychology. The battle scenes and imagery were the best part of the show.
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Evafags are cancer, their reactions in regards the rebuild movies made it clear, thanks Anno
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>>115248496
>gets called out for having a shit opinion
>can't even argue his own opinion when prompted
>calling anyone else a drooling retard

>>>/reddit/

Too bad there's no downvote button for you here.
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>>115248625
Congrats, you're officially the lowest of the fucking low when it comes to taste
>Does it look good and is there action? Bingo it gets a gold star A+ from me
Congrats on killing cinema in general.
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>>115248737
In his defense, well done battle-scenes are better cinema than poorly done armchair psychology.

That said, anyone who doesn't accept the reality which is that Evangelion does both battle and character psychology in an interesting way, is a total pleb whose opinion needs not be regarded.
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>>115248659
Yeah what do you know when a series gets movies that completely trash everything the series was about people tend to not like it and backlash.
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I can agree with you there.
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yep
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>>115248737
>implying
It's not that hard to be the best part of evangelion, which was just ok.
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>>115248829
What about the hordes of Rebuild fans who buy all the merchandise, attends all the Evangelion Rebuild exhibition events, and hypes 3.0+1.0 even today?
What's your opinion on the Kaworufags, Asukafags and other assorted newfags who all love it for what it as done?
You can't pretend they don't exist.
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It might be one the best amines ever made, sure, but that's not saying much lmao no true film buff enjoys it
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>>115248920
"Rebuild fans" are the anime generation of today, they are the retards who eat up shit like Attack on Titan and shit like that because it's got action and because eveyrone else likes it. I garuntee 90% of the people that like the Rebuild movies have probably never watched the original series and if they did would call it trash and say it's too confusing.

The fans do exist, which is the entire problem with anime today.
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>>115249016
>amine
>lmao
ayy
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>>115249060
trolled softly
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Anno finally made something good with the Rebuilds
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>>115249156
You got that backwards
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>>115248618
I'm not him, but he wasn't using those as buzzwords, he was using them as a shortened form of saying "2.0 induced a great amount of bathos in how it had Shinji acting like a stereotypical Shonen hero at the end, which was completely out of character for him, and in how it included ridiculous SOL elements that broke the overall tone of the movie." Which, despite what you say in your previous posts, is an argument for the low quality of the movie
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>>115249039
I really do disagree though. You hate Rebuild so you try to reject the part of the fandom that likes it as merely "newcomers who never saw the original", instead of accepting that these people were the ones you identified with all along.

You cannot guarantee that 90%. That would be ridiculous.
If you do check out the arena for Rebuild discussion, be it here, leddit or twitter/tumblr, you'll see that they all watched the original. They even believe it's faithful to the original BECAUSE it's confusing.

Hell, think of all the old-time Kaworufags who are jumping with joy because of what Rebuild focuses on or "says". Asukafags and other general evafags too I suppose.

There's many of the old guard who likes it.
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>>115248829
>He don't understand the concept of spin-off, sequel and side series
>He don't understands what is a franchise
My little anon can't be this cute.
Now, please move on to your next self-conceited ego rubbing sentence, if you use the terms moeshit and "people today" you win extra points.
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>>115249199
> not him, but he wasn't using those as buzzwords, he was using them as a shortened form of saying
Yeah fucking right. Even so that is still buzzword. He's relying on a word rather than making an argument.

If he actually made an argument like yours it'd just get crushed.

That isn't a "shortened form" for anything, it's just pure bullshit and ignorance all in one convenient package, relying on lies and delusions rather than facts.

Those are not arguments. That is buzzword speak, the lingo of the delusional retard.

Yes, what you just wrote is bullshit as well.
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>>115248920
Hey man despite it all, Asuka is the shit.
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>>115249258
There is nothing in Rebuild that would make old NGE fans like it, other then excessive pandering

Fans that watched the original more then a decade ago, not the retarded children who watched it last year.
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>>115249345
>He don't understands
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>>115249258
You know what breaks my heart the most? The fact that there are even Marifags who have watched the original first, that makes me want to commit suicide
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he lives off us and our tears
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>>115249199
That is neither out of character or breaking the tone of the movie.

Some bold claims you make there, but the character is entirely justified within the movie.
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>>115249397
>Picking up on grammar
>Picking up on grammar specially when its clearly a keyboard mistake, since D and S are side-by-side
Seek psychological help
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>>115249375
Even the fans that watched it in the 90's.

Look at you, making classes of fans to deny the truth.

The heartbreaking truth is what >>115249407
says.

You have made the mistake to think that Evangelion fans are somehow superior or intelligent because they like Evangelion. What a mistake that is to make.
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>>115249493
Doesn't you fucking retard. Doesn't.
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Is it weird that I still have faith in 4.0 being a perfect wrap up? It could happen, right?

It's not like they're just doing this for money with no real direction, right?
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>>115249438
>That is neither out of character or breaking the tone of the movie.
Confirmed never watched it or has no idea how shinji acts
>Some bold claims you make there, but the character is entirely justified within the movie.
You're shitting me

This has to be bait. Shinji does NOTHING but sit around like a crybaby the entire series and in the first and second and even the third movie. There was no reason for him to suddenly change character at the end of 2.0 and suddenly be determined to do something, not even to mention the awful deus ex machina plotpoint there that happens in literally every shonen anime ever.
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>>115249553
We all have that hope. We all can still feel that it's going to fail though.
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>>115249517
I don't consider 90% of people who watched Evangelion fans. Just retards who watched something they didn't understand but though it's depth made it cool.

Anyone who has spent time actually thinking about NGE, with whom the story has stuck, has disowned Rebuild
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>>115249368
Surely you mean Asuka is shit.

If she wasn't shit, she wouldn't need an EXTREME MAKEOVER named "Shikinami".
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>>115249640
You're that same guy.

Look at all this lack of argumentation
>Confirmed never watched it or has no idea how shinji acts
>You're shitting me
>This has to be bait

Ugh. Thanks for convincing me further that even the hatebase for Rebuild is utterly and completely retarded.

Enjoy your autism.
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>>115249669
Rebuilds aren't needed. Asuka remake wasn't needed.
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>>115249748
Your grampa was also not needed.
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>>115249652
Fucking this

People that say both are good are just delusional retards/kids who didn't understand the original in the first place and still think the "confusion" and "mystery" is stil present in the rebuild movies. I am absolutely baffled people have the audacity to say the rebuild movies are confusing when they are more straigtforward than most fucking SOL anime plots today.
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>>115249640
>There was no reason for him to suddenly change character at the end of 2.0 and suddenly be determined to do something, not even to mention the awful deus ex machina plotpoint there that happens in literally every shonen anime ever.

Do you have some kind of autism?

Did you NOT watch the one movie of development before 2.0, or even anything before the very final scene? All the developments, anger and regret is something you didn't think happened?

Holy fuck anon. Just fuck off. Even Rebuild is 2deep4u, just forget the original.
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>>115249748
If it's needed or not is determined by the intention.

If Asuka is to not be shit, she needs an extreme-makeover and complete redo. It's that simple.
That's what Shikinami is.

Still a shitty shallow character, but not like the audience ever cared about the character's complexity to begin with.
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>>115249718
Although what you called out are ad hominems that prove nothing (which you make plenty of, too), his argument was in the last two sentences of his post. Learn to cut around the ad hominems and meaningless remarks to find the true meat of an argument, as even with those pointless words surrounding it, it is oftentimes still there
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>>115249652
>What is Evageeks
>What is most of tumblr theorists (Not even counting Karlguufags)
The only place with people who can prove they are lifeless evafags and yet hates Rebuild is Youtube. The sad truth is that here on 4chan there are many newfags who hate rebuild and have yet to properly watch it or even NGE.
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>>115249779
>Did you NOT watch the one movie of development before 2.0, or even anything before the very final scene

Not him, but did you even grasp how dumb that entirety of 2.0's development was?

Shinji spent like 2 days together with Asuka, then she gets injured and he decides to abandon NERV. It's a fucking farce when compared to the original
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>>115249652
All right, but this is wrong too:
>Anyone who has spent time actually thinking about NGE, with whom the story has stuck, has disowned Rebuild

You'll find examples that prove that wrong any time. Anywhere. Even /a/.

People who understand perfectly how wrong Rebuild has become when the original is the standard, can also love Rebuild. Because they never liked the original to begin with, and probably spent their fandom days twisting the truth.

There's people who will enjoy what you think is shit about Rebuild because it enables their own fantasies and desires. I don't need to bring examples.
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>>115249842
Any fan who doesn't give a fuck about how real a character feels is an idiot. The complexity and relation to the audience is key to getting a character right and to get them to be remembered by people.

Why do we remember shinji ikari? Kid was a babbling wreck plagued by insecurities and self hatred. Why do we remember this? We can connect to that shit.
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>>115249718
>Completely ignores my argument and cherry picks my post
Enjoy being an uneducated fanboy.
>>115249779
>one movie of development
There was no "development" in the first movie, just shinji sitting around crying and being depressed, he got a couple friends and became fond of Rei, that isn't development, that's just adding things for him to be sad or worried about.

Anger and regret is why he got into Eva-01 to fight Zeruel, that doesn't explain or justify any of the deus ex machina bullshit that happens at the end of 2.0.
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>>115249863
I will cut out the ad hominems once you bring an argument. Until then, you deserve to be called for what you are, a huge faggot whose opinion is nothing but delusional fanboyism.

Step up or step out.

>b-but the true meat
There's no meat, there's just trashy packaging with nothing inside it.
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>>115249953
You're saying it's stupid, but not why. Essentially you're just arguing from bias instead of reason.

There's no reason anyone should listen to you. Ones sharing similar biases will though, without any sort of reason of course.
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>>115249928
>newfags hating rebuild

Literally couldn't be farther from the truth, the only people that like Rebuild are the newfags.
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>>115249955
>Because they never liked the original to begin with, and probably spent their fandom days twisting the truth.

Ergo they are not fans, but as I said
>retards who watched something they didn't understand but though it's depth made it cool.

Thinking Rebuild is anything but garbage automatically discredits you as an NGE fan.

This like a Roman Catholic saying the Protestant Bible is better then the Roman Catholic one. That fact alone precludes you from being a Roman Catholic
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>>115250029
The argument was
>There was no reason for him to suddenly change character at the end of 2.0 and suddenly be determined to do something, not even to mention the awful deus ex machina plotpoint there that happens in literally every shonen anime ever.
which as wrong as it may be, is still an argument.
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>>115249987
>There was no "development" in the first movie, just shinji sitting around crying and being depressed, he got a couple friends and became fond of Rei, that isn't development, that's just adding things for him to be sad or worried about.

Christ. Why are you even allowed to post here?
Do you even know what development is? Shinji attaining new bonds, people bonding with Shinji, Shinji learning/growing, that is development. His character is being fleshed out and subtly changing.

You're also complaining about "deux ex machina bullshit" (which is also a wrong usage of the term, figures since you're retarded), and attributing that to character.

Just stop posting any time.
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>>115250096
>Ergo they are not fans, but as I said
Which ain't nothing but a no true scotsman fallacy in the end.

They watched the original, think they understand the story and that it has stuck with them, just like you do.

>>115249953
>>115249956
You two are both retarded. You're conflating plot mechanics with character development as well as "in character" notions.

I get a headache reading your posts because they're so dumb.
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>>115250077
>You're saying it's stupid, but not why.

If you don't understand why then it's your own fault for being an idiot.

The reason Shinji reacted the way he did in the original was because Toji was his first true friend, he wasn't somebody that was forced upon him but a friend that Shinji made. This is why him getting injured was such a big deal, basically he was a civilian in Shinji's mind.

Fellow soldiers getting injured in the line of duty, soldiers you knew for 48 hours does not carry the same impact.
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>>115249956
Well surprise surprise, most Asuka fans are egocentric idiots. Who would have thought.
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>>115250155
>His character is being fleshed out and subtly changing
But he didn't change, he's the same crybaby either way. My argument isn't about small character development, it's about the "development" or more accurately the lack of which led up to him suddenly being mr. superman and going all out for Rei at the end of 2.0 when the entire rest of the films he was a hesitant baby. Getting into Eva 01 and being angry is justified and is development, suddenly gaining superhuman abilites for no fucking reason other than being extremely determined is not.
>wrong usage of the term
How so?
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I like how they made Shinji less of an annoying whinny bitch in 1 and 2, but 3..... whinny bitchiness overload. It felt like estrogen was just pouring from the screen.
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>>115250079
Once again, that is not what the established communities show to happen. We have way too many of old time fans liking Rebuild.
>But Anon says he dislikes it!
There is no way to prove how much time you have been into eva here on 4chan, a newfag could say he watched it back when he was not even born
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>>115250249
That is simply false. Rebuild lacks the layering that original had, and all the though that went into the little things. Not to mention the character development.

The story of the original wasn't some mind-shattering revelation that could change your life on the spot. The way it was told was.

Rebuild lacks those layers and forethought, anyone who likes it never understood what made the original great
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>>115250254
The problem here is still you. In Rebuild, Asuka is also a friend of Shinji's, not the first, but a friend none-the-less.

You also misunderstand Shinji. At this stage, he doesn't want to kill Asuka, or anyone else with his own hands. It doesn't need to be "a super special first friend", it needs to be another human being.
In 2.0 he also gets to know Asuka, and as any sort of reasonable human being, Shinji naturally does not want to kill her. So yes, he is upset when his will is undermined and the dummy plug takes over.

He's not upset BECAUSE it was Toji.

You try to apply "fellow soldiers in line", a thought or mindset Shinji has NEVER EVER had. You are just proving how wrong you are with every post your make.

You need to go back to the drawing board, or maybe stop pretending you have an argument because all you do is dig your own grave.
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>>115250418
Take a look at MAL or Rebbit or what the fuck ever you want, even here on /a/, most people that enjoyed the Evangelion series didn't like Rebuild for all the reasons stated in this thread, mostly being it removed half of what made the show so good and memorable in the end which were the psychological meanings and character development and interaction in favor of just flashy battle scenes and bouncing tits and ass shots. Educate yourself.
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>>115250418
>Once again, that is not what the established communities show to happen.

There is a pretty simple way. Look at the catalogue, see all the shit threads in it, see how shit 4chan has become. Then realize that now people are actually defending Rebuild.

Draw your own conclusions.
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>>115250519
Are you trying to say only shitters defend rebuild?
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>>115250462
>He's not upset BECAUSE it was Toji.

Is that why the original episode MAKES A BIG POINT how nobody told Shinji the pilot was Toji?

Is that why Shinji, while undoubtedly shaken in the binging, only SNAPS once he realize that Toji was the pilot.

No son you are the retard that needs to pay more attention.
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>>115250462
>He's not upset BECAUSE it was Toji.
Except yes it was
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>>115250586
There are two kinds of people that defend Rebuild

1. The waifufags who know it's bad but enjoy the pandering they are getting
2. The retards who actually think it's good
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>>115250334
>But he didn't change, he's the same crybaby either way.
He can change for the good in one movement, and back in another - that is all called development. It is not a one-way road.

>My argument isn't about small character development, it's about the "development" or more accurately the lack of which led up to him suddenly being mr. superman and going all out for Rei at the end of 2.0 when the entire rest of the films he was a hesitant baby.
You're just exaggerating the whole thing. Shinji pushes out of desperation in 1.0, out of will in 2.0 against the falling Angel, and the original is laden with Shinji TRYING to be a little bit more "manly", even if he fails.

Basically Shinji thinks he's weak. Give him some power behind him, and suddenly he'll feel great. Give him a compliment, and he's Mr. Superman.

Same as happened in the original. One compliment from Misato saying he was "numba wan!" was all it took for him to be Mr. Man's Man and declare that Combat is a Man's Job.

Give Shinji some sense of power, a desire, and bam. He's determined. Same way he's determined to not kill Asuka.

Your misinterpretation of the character is the problem here. Not the movie.

>How so?
Because we do have impacts established, we do have Evangelions with hidden powers established AND foreshadowed, revealing that power is not "deus ex machina".

Now if some aliens had rushed in, that would be a deus ex machinae. If something entirely unrelated to anything you had seen so far ahd burst in, it'd be a deus ex machinae.

It's a very strong term to use, and you're using it like a pretentious douchebag who wants to namedrop things to pretend you know what you're talking about.
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>>115250739
Damn straight.
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>>115250659
>Is that why the original episode MAKES A BIG POINT how nobody told Shinji the pilot was Toji?
>Is that why Shinji, while undoubtedly shaken in the binging, only SNAPS once he realize that Toji was the pilot.

You're the retard here kid. Let me tell you why.

That is a reaction COMPLETELY separate to the fact that he did not want to kill the pilot. In NGE, he did not know who the pilot was, and did not want to kill him still. In Rebuild he knows it's Asuka, only fueling his desire

In Rebuild there isn't a shock that Asuka is the pilot, there's just the shock that she was dead/hurt.

Both work, and you're just being retarded at this point.

You're not being honest with me. Your complaints are so dumb, so easily disproven that you should have disproven them yourself before posting, that they can't be the real gripe you have.
What's your real deal with this movie? It's just waifufag butthurt isn't it.
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>>115250743
Completely agree here. Look at how shinji jumped right the fuck in without forethought during the battle with Leliel. After a compliment that kid feels like he could take on all the angels at once.
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>>115250718
Learn to use punctuation.

See >>115250857

He's upset because he doesn't want to kill the pilot. Afterwards he is upset that the pilot was hurt. In Rebuild there is no secrecy about the pilot.


>>115250739
Pretty much.
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>>115250743
>Because we do have impacts established, we do have Evangelions with hidden powers established AND foreshadowed, revealing that power is not "deus ex machina".

Eva going berserk is one thing and was justified in the anime because it's core was about to be broken, that makes perfect sense it would wake up right then and there and go berserk, suddenly waking up after shutting down because shinji is angry and literally shotting lazer beams and having an impenetreble AT field out of fucking nowhere? That's bullshit, it comes completely out of left field and there is no explanation at all for it.
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>>115250857
>>115250900
>Is that why the original episode MAKES A BIG POINT how nobody told Shinji the pilot was Toji?
>Is that why Shinji, while undoubtedly shaken in the binging, only SNAPS once he realize that Toji was the pilot.

Nice playing with you but you still can't explain why the episode goes out of it's way to keep Shinji in the dark if it wasn't a big deal.

When he thinks the killed the pilot Shinji just sobs quietly, when he realizes it was Toji he snaps, hijacks the Eva, threatens NERV and leaves. You are just another idiot who knows jack shit about NGE
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>>115250445
I agree with everything until you wrote this:
>anyone who likes it never understood what made the original great

See >>115250739
He gets it.
See point one.

Fact is there's a lot of people who see that the original is great, but spend their entire fandom downplaying other characters just to emphasize their own favorite characters. They delude themselves and will attempt to delude others.

Rebuild is merely more ammunition for them to use, and so they love it and even come to believe it is great and perfectly in tone with the original despite your best protests.

Remember that disproving bullshit always takes an order magnitude more than creating bullshit.
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It sucks that 3.0 ruined all momentum the series had going for it. 4.0 is gonna have to do some serious work to tie up the series.
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>>115251024
>Eva going berserk is one thing and was justified in the anime because it's core was about to be broken, that makes perfect sense
No it doesn't. EVA's go berserk without that happening, and it's never ever mentioned as the cause. That's just your personal fanwank.

The problem here is just YOU. Your misunderstandings applied to a reality that doesn't match your own.

Stop pretending you have an argument. It's time for you to just shut the fuck up and fuck off. You're bringing down the level of quality in this thread with your bullshit. Nobody should have to listen or read your crap, it's just distracting.
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>>115251065
>Rebuild is merely more ammunition for them to use

That's my point, it's just ammunition. The waifufags don't think it's actually better, but they use it to piss other people off.

Then again you have to take into account who can actually be considered a waifufag. Because people that just like character A but aren't obsessed with them to the point of building shrines can't really be considered waifufags
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>mfw retards, who can't into characters, like 2.22 near me
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>>115251259
>mfw retards like any rebuild movie near me
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>>115251169
He is right you know, the Eva only ever went Berserk to protect Shinji or itself. Never because Shinji was mad
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>>115251259
>>mfw retards, who can't into characters, like 2.22 near me
Might as well stop pretending and call them what they are, Reifags.
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>>115251301
That's moving goalposts, now it's the Core or Shinji.

These things are not established, there are times where Shinji is in danger yet nothing happens, and so on - it is not consistent, but I agree with the notions.

The one thing both of you are missing is the fact that EVA01 starting an impact like this is NEW for Rebuild.

Applying NGE mechanics to Rebuild automatically disqualifies his argument. He's in the wrong arena, he parked in the wrong parking place and is now about to get towed.

>>115251259
>muh fancy reaction iameg ;^)
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Eva is literally the only good show ever made, and Rebuild ruined that
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>>115251228
They do think it's better. They're that deluded.

You've all seen them in action. You've seen what they're capable of.

>>115251301
He's not right, and you're not saying the same thing as him even. The original isn't Rebuild, and the "awakening" in 2.22 isn't like your good old berserk, so fundamentally they're incomparable.

Like many other things, the background and setting in Rebuild is different.

If he's just pointing out that Rebuild and NGE are different, then bravo, he just wasted everyone's time. Everyone could tell that since 1.0. Hell even the fact that they are conceptually different works is enough to say that.
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>>115251348
I like to do the other thing, and call everyone who dislikes 2.22 a butthurt Asukafag.
Makes more sense and is more true to reality.

When 2.22 was out, they were literally the only group making any sort of protest.
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>>115251408
I really don't care for your discussion, I just wanted to point out that Eva going Berserk in the original made sense and was adequately explained. It simply wanted to protect either itself or Shinji.
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>>115251408
>It's allowed to be a deus ex machina and have unexplained bullshit out of nowhere because it's different from the series
Good, maybe now you'll understand why I and many others dislike the shitty Rebuild movies and prefer the original series or at least partly understand why, as that's only one of the major problems it has.
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>>115251613
>I just wanted to point out that Eva going Berserk in the original made sense and was adequately explained.

Please show me where in the series it was explained.
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>>115251647
You see that's the beauty of NGE. It's all explained to you by the situations and actions. There is no need for a large infodump

>The Eva is in an extreme state of danger
>It goes wild in order to protect itself
>It also goes wiled in order to protects Shinji, we later find out why this happens.

Why an Eva Awakens in Rebuild is pretty damn foggy, even you must agree.
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>>115251613
Except it was never explained. It's left for you to infer, which you have done, and mistaken that for "explained".
You can do the same for Rebuild, it's left for you to infer.

Ironically, Rebuild explained 2.22's "berserk event" more than the original ever did, through Ritsuko. It literally said that EVA01 is doing all this for one person's wish, Shinji.

They never said EVA01 went berserk to protect Shinji or itself. They merely noted that it went berserk, with the implication that it was a good thing.

So quite objectively you and him would be in the wrong here. There's no doubt about that.

If you want to argue which of the two is more interesting to you, that's another debate in which I'd choose the original personally.

But fact of the matter is that in 2.22, the "awakening/berserk" makes more than enough sense unless you intend to be extremely demanding and critical, to the point where even the original series would fall apart at the seams.
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>>115251791
>It literally said that EVA01 is doing all this for one person's wish, Shinji.

Ok so why didn't it Awaken when Shinji was fighting Sahaquiel, or Bardiel?

Was Shinji simply not wishing hard enough?
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>>115251791
Then why did it go berserk against Sachiel when shinji was most likely unconscious and clearly didn't even really want to be out there fighting in the first place

It's all a bunch of bullshit with no explanation, just fucking admit it, in the original it was bullshit too but it had things you could infer to why this happened, in rebuild you're just supposed to accept it
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>>115251780
>You see that's the beauty of NGE. It's all explained to you by the situations and actions. There is no need for a large infodump
In other words, it's never explained. You're fanwanking, inferring, speculating. Don't say "explained" when it was never explained. Don't trip in your own words.

The difference between the Rebuild and NGE case is that you simply refuse to offer it the same treatment, for reasons entirely different than the actual content of the movie.

You might want to consider if the PoV/Opinion you're defending actually is the correct one to defend.

Try greentexting the Rebuild one:
>The Eva is in an extreme state of danger
>The pilot has a deep wish to set things straight
>The EVA feels that, obliges and awakens from the bonds NERV has put on it
>It goes wild in order to grant the wish of Shinji

Like >>115251791
points out it's actually more explained in Rebuild.
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>>115251932
Explain this >>115251852 then
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>>115251852
>>115251925
Pretty much the same question with obvious answers, sure.
>Ok so why didn't it Awaken when Shinji was fighting Sahaquiel, or Bardiel?

Because Shinji didn't have any such wishes at the moment. No great desire.
No Rei Ayanami in danger that he desired to save.

Shinji is not intensively involved enough. Remember what Shinji has been through, what regrets he has at the moment, things just went bad and it's about to get bad again.

It's kind of self-explanatory, or like one anon liked to put it here: >>115251780
>You see that's the beauty of NGE. It's all explained to you by the situations and actions. There is no need for a large infodump
even though he missed the mark by a kilometer or so.

As for Sachiel, it goes berserk. Shinji is just confused and doesn't know what the fuck to do, no real wish or desire here. EVA01 protects itself and Shinji.
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>>115251998
Because Shinji has no wish or willful desire at the moment? Do you REALLY need that explained?
Even though the awakening scene has severely emphasizing Shinji's intense desire at the moment? A clear goal.

The dummy plug is activating, and Shinji is controlling the EVA normally against Sahaquiel.
It's so easy to understand by you're not even trying. You're just trying to be negative.
You're just trying to spread bullshit, and I hate that.
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>>115252062
>No Rei Ayanami in danger that he desired to save.

In the end the Reifag shows his true colours

P.S. If this is true why did it then Awaken to save Asuka in 3.0

P.P.S You are full of shit
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so far i don't know.
it depends on final really, and what anno does with it.
If it ends up the rebuilds happen after end, yeah maybe, depends how it carries out.
if 1.11 and 2.22 happen before the tv series and 3.33 and final happen after end i will be pretty satisfied at anno for keeping up a game of bait and wait for almost 20 years.
if it just ends up that we are being told the truth and this is closer to the original plans then i'm a little conflicted, it means eva could have given up so much for so little (not in terms of finantial gain of course). but i keep my mind open in hopes that it could all be for a fair and reasonable conclusion.

regardless if anno has a plan, I think we're gonna be taken for a ride whether or not Final is 3 1/2 hours of looped footage of anno shitting into a small bucket played backwards
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>>115252133
He may be trying to spread bullshit, but nothing is more bullshit than the rebuild movies so I don't see your point.
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1.11 was an uninspired rehash with poor pacing.

2.22 was pure fan service trash to troll otaku with the inevitable clusterfuck that is 3.33

3.33 was a clusterfuck with gaping plot holes in lieu of the mind-blowing explanations we'll get in Final. The problem is that there are way too many plot holes to the point where it'll be impossible to get all of the answers in one movie

4.44 or 3.33+1.11 or whatever retarded name it'll get will probably feel like a half-assed rush-job if it's going to be another 2 hour movie. Not enough time for answers. Maybe if it's 2 movies with a simultaneous release, which they initially planned in early development.
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>>115252165
That's just fucking proving my point. It awakens temporarily also in 3.0, for presumably SIMILAR reasons.

Now YOU are the butthurt Asukafag showing his true colors. It's a fucking fact that Shinji wanted to save Rei in 2.0, not something I made up because I'm supposedly a Reifag.

So just fuck off.
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What if I were to tell you that everything that happened in 3.0 happened for a completely justifiable reason?
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>>115252133
>You're just trying to spread bullshit, and I hate that.

You hate it because it clashes with your little hadcanon. Which is incredibly biased since it infers that the only time Shinji truly wishes for something is when he wants to save Rei.
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>>115252259
>calls him an asukafag

Holy fucking laughing so hard I'm crying
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>>115252187
But that's also a load of bullshit you're spreading too. Not seeing the point because "I HATE REBUILD MOVIES", well fuck you too, you're no better.

I don't like them either, but at least I'm not going down bullshit avenue about it.
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>>115252265
that is what i usually try to argue
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>>115252259
>It's a fucking fact that Shinji wanted to save Rei in 2.0

Shinji also wanted to save Asuka, going so far as to chose his own death over hurting her.

He also wanted to save NERV from Sahaquiel, going so far that he experienced physical trauma to his arms.
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>>115252304
I'm a proponent behind the "Shinji is the 1st Angel" theory, because I feel that it would totally justify everything that happened in 3.0.
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>>115252165
>Reifags
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>>115252267
>>115252267
Yeah, except no moron. I gave real, quantifiable reasons why it happens, and no, it does not in ANY way whatsoEVER imply that he only truly wishes for something when he wants to save Rei.

On the other hand, this what you and >>115252165
posted is the EXACT kind of problem with the fanbase. Butthurt waifufags.

They can't even TODAY stand that Shinji wanted to save Rei, and are extremely touchy about that subject because they're AFRAID it means he wouldn't want to save Asuka.

Holy fucking shit. It's so fucking insane. It doesn't imply or say that in the SLIGHTEST, in fact that he didn't save Asuka and is guilty about that is part of the reason he wants to save Rei to set things straight.

For gods sake, you Asukafags are the goddamned worse.

It's funny that this is the exact thing Asuka in 3.0 is butthurt about too, "waah waah you didnt' save me".
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>>115252359
>"Shinji is the 1st Angel" theory,

That goes against everything NGE stands for.

It might as well be true at this point
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>>115252427
>Reifag gets found out
>has a temper tantrum
Not surprised in the slightest
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>>115252342
>>115252299
The Asuakfags shows his true colors.

>muh Asuka

Just fucking stop it. I should have known, that's why you don't like 2.0. That's why your complaints don't make sense and have been completely debunked in this thread. That's why you're full of bullshit.

It's because "muh Asuka". This is you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXMrvyobEhg

As for you >>115252342
no. Shinji did not want to save Asuka, he did not want to kill her. That's all. There's no grandiose wish, there's nothing there besides unwillingness as opposed to willingness later on.

Add in desperation, add in confliction emotions, regret and trauma from the previous failure to not hurt Asuka, and you get a more intense desire to save Rei.

That's it. It's such a simple thing to understand, but Asukafags just can't fucking handle it.
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Can't people just like both?
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>>115252590
>Shinji did not want to save Asuka, he did not want to kill her. That's all.
Oh man this is getting pretty desperate.

Sorry I trigger your Autism Reifag
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>>115247745
What if the movie starts with Shinji waking up and revealing that all of the timeskip shit was a dream, then it goes about being an HD version of the original story? I would be pissed I wasted my time not skipping the others, but I would have a hard time being genuinely mad in the grand scheme of things.
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>>115252501
Except I didn't get found out. You did, and you're now entering full damage control mode.

The arguments, the criticism is all gone, to be replaced by "witty greentext" and stock reaction images and anti-reifag propaganda: >>115252399

I want to turn the attention to this previous piece of the thread:
>>115251065
>>115251228

Notice how it's Asukafags/Waifufags being responsible for the bullshit ITT. They hate it or like it solely by how it treats their fucking masturbation fantasies. Shipping fantasies.

Asukafags don't like 2.0 simply because Shinji wanted to save Rei. That's that. Then all the insecurities pop up about how he didn't save Asuka. Five years later and they're still butthurt.
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>>115252625
Nope. How dare people like things I don't like.
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>>115252359
The evidence is there as early as 1.0. The problem is that the majority of /a/'s audience is too stupid to pay attention to small cues and details, so completely flew over their heads.
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>>115252672
That's what the movie says, not me. Literally, objectively.

But by all means, display your paranoia (oh no ur a reifg) and delusions (I deny what the movie said explicitly) and show everyone how retarded anyone who dislikes 2.0 for those "reasons" are.

We went from discussing plot mechanics to you being butthurt about Shinji not wanting to save Asuka.
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>>115252723
And the reason you are having a fucking meltdown right now and are so desperately defending 2.0 is because you are a Reifag.

There is really no point in denying it.
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>>115252739
Take responsibility for your retarded brethren ARK. See how cancerous they are.
See how bad they are.

>>115252716
That'd still be shit.
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>>115252723
>Asukafags don't like 2.0 simply because Shinji wanted to save Rei. That's that. Then all the insecurities pop up about how he didn't save Asuka. Five years later and they're still butthurt.


That's not entirely true. They also hated it because she got very little screen time and her character was completely mangled and very different from her original NGE counterpart.
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>>115252792
I WILL deny it because that is not the case, and I am having a meldown or a bit of #mad because I just realized I wasted my time trying to discuss seriously with people who never had the intention to do so in the first place.

I defend it for the perfectly reasoned arguments above. It is the correct thing to do, and something people without retarded asukafag/reifag biases can agree upon.
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>>115252785
Let me help you with something

save
verb \ˈsāv\

: to keep (someone or something) safe : to stop (someone or something) from dying or being hurt, damaged, or lost

: to stop (something) from ending or failing : to make (something that is in danger of failing) successful

: to keep (something) from being lost or wasted

As we can see here, preventing someone's death is considered saving them.
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>>115252848
All proxy arguments for the fact that Shinji saved Rei. They're not the real problem they have.

Want proof?

Look at 3.0. Many Asukafags love that despite how there's even less screentime and the character being even more different than before.
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>>115252359
>>115252764
Mind explaining this because that makes no sense, at all.
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>>115252827
>Take responsibility for your retarded brethren
No. I don't control them. The best I can do - which I've been doing for 2 years or so now - is just not upload my Asuka folder.

Asukafags, Reifags, Kaworufags, they're all huge fucking retards.
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>>115252939
Thanks for reminding me why I hate Reifag and their autism

Rebuild is garbage, but at least I get to bathe myself in your tears thanks to Anno
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>>115252848
Let me explain something. That's not their actual problem with it.
They have a core issue with it, which is most of the time related to shipping and jealousy. So they make up a bunch of other reasons, which are the ones you stated.

Other reasons are the complaints we saw ITT, which got debunked because they were never actual problems to begin with. They are just complaints that sound semi-believable unless scrutinized.

Read between the lines. If what >>115252939
points out is the case, then they'd be hypocrites and liars.

>>115252909
Let me help you with something

The movie says otherwise. The movie says Shinji wants to save Rei, intensely. I didn't write the script.
You can piss and moan all you want, but it's not changing reality.

It's not merely about the idea to save one, it's about having a clear, willful goal to do so. Which he only gets in later in the movie, which is arguably because he's already failed once and now he can get a chance to redeem himself.

So you may stop trying to be stupid now.
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>>115252994
Hope you're working hard at toning up your flabby body for those nudes.
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>>115252994
Oh no whatever will we do without your folder that's 80% garbage that any normal person would be to embarrassed to post
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>Reifags trying this hard to defend the rebuild series

Seriously

Just stop
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>>115253054
What's the matter, got a too big dose of TRUTH there Asukafag?

Rebuilds are shit, but know that you are part of the reason why it's shit.
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>>115253118
>You can piss and moan all you want, but it's not changing reality.

The reality here is that you apparently don't understand what saving somebody means.
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>>115252958
>Shinji confirmed to be an impact trigger
>awakening written in the Dead Sea Scrolls
>The catalyst for third impact and near-third impact
>glowing red eyes and gives the controlled eva fucking halo when he goes berserk
>the catalyst behind Gendo's master plans
>not an angel or a seed

Also it's kind of amusing how so many people interpreted Shinji's attempts to rescue Rei as something romantically-inclined or GAR-like when it was anything but that. But Anno is a master of rusing after all.
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>>115253185
Keep feeding me your tears Reifag

They are delicious
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>>115252994
You don't even try, you're just watching these Asukafags prove themselves to be the utter cancer you could prevent them from being.
Because you know they're shit, you know how bad they are but you don't want them to see bad.

Take responsibility.

>>115253054
You hate Reifags because they're right. Right about you, right about Rebuild, and you'll deny that to the death, but you'll still know you're wrong. Even if you're too prideful to admit it.
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>>115253327
The irony is that it took 3.0 for Reifags that the Rebuilds were shit.
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>>115248492
With that logic, all the tumbling down started with End of Evangelion which is also a piece of shit appealing to masses with action scenes instead of Asuka and Rei standing in an elevator.
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>>115253208
I suppose your lacking argument, your stubborn denial of the truth is enough to convince everyone.

Movie says it outright. It can not be denied. You are just being a dumb waifufag (asuka flavor) that's proving to be just as obsessed as Asuka is about not getting saved. Fucking 14 years later.
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>>115253327
>You hate Reifags because they're right. Right about you, right about Rebuild

Well I guess we are past the point of you denying you are a Reifag then. And now it's just pure autism and trying to defend 2.0 with your delusions.

I just want to leave you with one though. No matter what you do or say here, it won't stop Anno from taking another massive shit on Rei in 3.0. I hope you are prepared
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>another EVA thread devolved into shit flinging between Asukafags and reifags
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>>115253327
The irony is that it took 3.0 for Reifags to realize that the Rebuilds were shit.
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>>115253438
That's not irony, but I don't expect anything more from the likes of idiots.
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>>115253125
No matter how much you harp on it you'll never get it.

>>115253157
Nigga, this shit is fabulous.

Collecting fanart isn't even remotely difficult to do, and I collect it for me, not you. Our taste in art clearly differs. That doesn't change the fact that tons of faggots have my 3 or 4 year old folder still.

>>115253327
The fuck are you talking about? What, do you want me to come in and say, "Hey guys, calm down. I'm clearly The Asukafag, so listen to me because my word is law. Stop being retards."?

I'm a fucking nobody. I don't have any control over what faggots post, no matter what side they're on.
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>>115253498
That's all rebuild is though, just waifu pandering in the form of rei fags and the odd third worlders called marifags and kaworu fags. It's why everyone hates them.
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>>115253513
>>115253438
Please look up what "irony" is before you attempt to use it. Thanks.

Everyone except Asukafags loved Rebuild until 3.0 came along, and guess what, some still love it.
Stop projecting your delusional butthurt on everyone else Asukafag.
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>>115247462

All the problems with rebuild could be fixed if they just removed Mary. Anno, specifically stated he put Mary in just to ruin Eva, I don't know what he was thinking.
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>>115253532
You're a nobody, and will continue to be so unless you actually take as stand against your retarded brethren. Reply to some posts, don't let their bullshit slide. Make your "side" look good for a change.
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>>115253513
Reifags love 2.0 as it was a shippers fest for them.
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>>115253572
>Rebuild was good guys
>MUH REI
>MUH POKA-POKA
>It's all the Asukafags fault
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>>115253555
Which is why I like NGE so more because it's not entirely centered on waifu's, fanservice and pointless action
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>>115253532
Honestly it would help if an Asukafag didn't act fucking retarded. You're just a fucking coward ARK.
You see an Asukafag post bullshit in a thread, and you just let it slide.
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>>115253637
>he thinks anyone takes ARK seriously

Dude he is the village idiot. Hell he promised to post nudes if the sequel theory is correct.
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>>115253572
I hate waifu fags and don't have one and I think rebuilds were shit because they were pandering garbage and focused on nothing but action

get fucked shithead
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So what did we learn this thread?

Rebuilds are shit.
Nothing can stop the Rebuilds from being shit.
Nearly everyone on /a/ hates 3.0.
The only group that dislikes 2.0 substantially are Asukafags because they're butthurt.
They will go long enough to lie and make up phony arguments to make their butthurt seem justified.
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>>115253637
Why would I want to be anybody? I'm not some Asukafag police responsible for making sure all Asukafags stay in line any more than you're not responsible for policing Reifags or whoever the fuck side you belong to.

>>115253703
I wear my trip when called out or when relevant. Relevance generally means sequel theory. I do not give a shit about waifuwars.

If you want waifufags to stop acting like retards, act on it yourself. I do not participate.

>>115253705
Never promised nudes. Go ahead and search the archives.
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>>115253770
Asukafags are cancer pretending to not be cancer, but once exposed they go full autism.

>>115253754
Sure thing. Your opinion is invalid, thank you come again.
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>>115253498
Let's be real, it was always going to end up this way from post 1
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>>115253770
>Rebuilds are shit.
Correct
>Nothing can stop the Rebuilds from being shit.
Correct
>Nearly everyone on /a/ hates 3.0.
Correct
>The only group that dislikes 2.0 substantially are Asukafags because they're butthurt.
No, everyone hates 2.0 except reifags because it validates their stupid waifu, everyone else (aka the sane people with taste) hate it beyond belief just like the other movies
>They will go long enough to lie and make up phony arguments to make their butthurt seem justified.
Correct
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>>115253770
>>115253814
>Reifags patting each-other on the back for shitposting
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>>115253799
By not participating you're enabling them.

Take responsibility. Denounce them. Every time. Bring reason to where there is bullshit instead of being a passive wanker.
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>>115253850
Thanks for proving
>They will go long enough to lie and make up phony arguments to make their butthurt seem justified.
right.
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>>115253862
>Take responsibility. Denounce them

He is a tripfag, that means he is lower then dirt. Half the thread has him filtered probably. He can't denounce anyone. Is this your first day on /a/?
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>>115253838
I don't know why I expected anything different.
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>>115253862
>By not participating you're enabling them.
Read this lovely gem of an essay: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122

I'm not responsible for whatever someone else posts.
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>>115253916
A Reifag calling other buthurt?

>Worse then grandpa dying.

This is comedy gold.
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>>115253799
Really? Look at this thread. You're only being called out because you aren't as retarded as the rest.
If you do not "participate" all you accomplish is letting shitposting Asukafags run rampant.

Ever heard the saying "all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" ?
Take responsibility. More and more.

No need to wear a trip. Just don't be a faggot.

>>115253850
Fantastic, it took just four posts for the Asukafag to start lying to cover up butthurt. Brilliant.
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>>115253916
>>115253814

Awww boo hoo cry me a river, your movies are shit and everyone agrees.
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>>115253951
You're responsible as long as you're here posting in this thread.
That is also not a very relevant essay.
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>>115253997
>everyone
>only Asukfag
suspicious

Movies aren't great at all but you singlehandedly proved that every argument you laid out against it is based on Asukafag butthurt.
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>>115253986
I'm only being called out because I made a post with an Asukasip in an Evathread.

I could write a nice long essay on why everyone on all sides are huge fucking faggots, and it would do fuck all.

And if it makes no difference with or without my trip, then why would you care to call me out as if I have some kind of authority with Asukafags, my "brethren?" Implore civility among all asukafags as well as the reifags and everyone else. Don't reach out to a fucking nobody like me; I'm just one of a hundred.

>>115254055
I find it quite relevant with all the arguments of "You belong to x group, therefore you're responsible for x group's shit."
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>>115252958
>1st Angel isn't confirmed as Adam throughout Rebuild
>Kaworu thinks he's the 1st Angel
>He expresses his shock in 3.0 at being demoted to the 13th, leaving the 1st spot open
>Shinji activates Near Third Impact all on his own in 2.0, awakening Unit-01
>His eyes go red like Rei and Kaworu (humanoid Angels)
>He was also supposedly the cause for Third Impact between 2.0 and 3.0
>By 3.0, characters no longer say human, as it can refer to both Lilin and Angels, so they just say Lilin
>Shinji is never referred to as "Lilin", even by Kaworu, he's just someone who wants to help the Lilin
>Everyone feels hostility towards him
>Misato has mixed feelings, which would make sense considering how she feels about Angels
>There's a strong desire to keep him out of an Eva, because people are afraid as to what might happen
>Gendo specifically needs Shinji and Kaworu for his plans
>Even after Kaworu dies, Unit-13 doesn't deactivate until Shinji has been removed from it
>Shinji's collar in 3.0 has Angel-Sealing Hex Glyphs on it
>Shinji and Kaworu, Alpha and Omega, Death and Rebirth, beginning and the end, 1.0 and 3.0, etc.
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>>115254260
>I find it quite relevant with all the arguments of "You belong to x group, therefore you're responsible for x group's shit."
You are responsible not as an Asukafag, but as any poster who knows bullshit is going on.

You're contributing to the continued deterioration of this thread and ev/a/ngelion at all. Because you have ability but do not use it.
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>>115254260
>I could write a nice long essay on why everyone on all sides are huge fucking faggots, and it would do fuck all.
You couldn't. You could do that just to glamourize yourself and passively defend Asukafags by equalizing the situation, continuing to avoid shedding light on the truth of asukafag shitposting.

You have no authority but the least you could do is help out to keep things civil and sensible. Everyone can do that.
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>>115254358
Guess I'm also responsible for SAO and Mahouka or whatever the fuck other bullshit goes on in 4chan. Guess I'm also responsible for Ebola and baneposting and every single other shit on 4chan that I know happens. Oh man, aren't I an awful person for not going on /sp/ to tell them to stop shitposting.

>>115254397
So you just want to hate Asukafags above all else. Okay, that's a nice bias you've got.
My conclusion would actually be that Kaworufags are the worst

>the least you could do is help out to keep things civil and sensible. Everyone can do that.
>Everyone can do that.
Then ask everyone you fucking idiot.
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>>115254591
You're a part of EVA threads. If you're going to post in them, do it right.
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>>115254294
>Misato has mixed feelings, which would make sense considering how she feels about Angels

>The boythat you love as your own son is actually the human incarnation of the monstrosity that you hate because it inadvertently killed your father and initiated second impact

I hope they explore this because it actually has the potential to very interesting. They probably won't touch on it very much though, since Misato isn't as marketable as the kids.


>Gendo specifically needs Shinji and Kaworu for his plans

This is somewhat wrong. Rei was also needed, but like Kaworu, she was disposable. Shinji's really the only one that's needed for Gendo's long-term goals for some reason or anything. Provides a good excuse as to why Gendo gives zero fucks for his "son" too.
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>>115254763
There is no right way to post on an anonymous imageboard. If you want moderation, go on Evageeks. Faggots are going to post shit you don't like. Trolls are going to try to get a rise out of you. You are going to disagree with people. Get over it. If you want civil discussion, keep civil yourself. You falling into tirades of "Asukafags are all at fault for everything ever" - paraphrasing in case you get butthurt about quotations - does not keep things civil; two wrongs don't make a right.
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>>115247462
As a continuation of the series, the Rebuilds are good. 3.33 being the worst Eva related animation but still was ok.

But as a replacement for the series, they are pretty shit compared to the original. To enjoy the rebuilds you have to have watched the series recently
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>3.0+1.0 turns out to be decent or mediocre tier
>war at stand still, everyone commits sudoku.

Just as planned...
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>>115254294
nice to see you can keep up, you're getting closer, here's your next few hints
what does that make gendo?
what does that make asuka?
what does that make Rei?
what does that make Misato?
and what does that make Mari?
along with what does that make toji and kaoru in the original series and rebuild
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>>115247462
That one character with the cat expressions literally ruined everything for me. By the time I got to third one I just gave up.
The first one was pretty good I guess but she still sort of ruined it.
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>>115255918
mari?
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>>115255370
To be honest, I've only ever seen the end of 2.0 and all of 3.0, so I have yet to get a proper examination of all this. That's just the stuff I've noticed from what I've seen. But here are things I noticed.
>Gendo's original last name in the first series was Rokubungi, and Yui's last name was Ikari
>Gendo's original last in Rebuild is Ikari, and Yui's last name was Ayanami
Oh fuck, am I thinking what you're thinking?

>Asuka Langley Souryuu
>Asuka Shikinami Langley
>Shikinami has Angel-Sealing Hex Glyphs on her eyepatch
>Shinji was the first person out at the end of End of Evangelion, Souryuu was the second
There was something I was wondering a few weeks back about the first Asuka and being an Angel and shit like that, but I can't remember what it was exactly.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVVg5Q3ysH8
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You know what's so interesting about this show?
The fact that asukafags and reifags are so completely different from each other.
Any other show would just be "x is best girl," "nah man y is best girl" etc.

But with eva it's "asuka is best girl" and then I scroll and holy shit murder in the streets.
If any of us left the basement to argue about eva there would be death abounding and "REI A SHIIIITT" would be written on the walls in blood with asuka daki's on sacred altars and rei fans hanging from the ceiling as numerous as the stars.
I wouldn't even defend a -real- person that zealously.

Really have to give it to anno.
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>>115247462
I liked the rebuild sequels
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The Ramiel battle was better than the generally scruffy art of the original; but as for the rest of it...
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>>115258114
no one in these threads would be ballsy and not autistic enough to say any of this in public to someone's face.
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>>115251606
And the only group making protest against 3.33 are Reifags = the majority of /a/.
Get over it.
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>>115262841
>responding to a post from 4 hours ago
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>>115262876
I do what I want
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>>115262876
Who knows, maybe they're still here.
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3 was a real mess

the designs were ridiculous too
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2.22 is fucking horrible worst shitty pandering ever, please kill yourself if you like it.
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1.11 was NGE in glorious HD.

2.22 was unbearable pandering shit with dumbed down characters and introduction of Jar Jar Binks.

3.33 was fucking awesome, going more in the direction of EoE and Last episodes of NGE.
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>>115262841
Polls show Asukafags are the majority on /a/, so nope.

If you wanna bluff and bullshit, take it off /a/.
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>cyclops goendou
>full lesbian ritsuko
I can't believe anyone liked 3.33
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1.11 is beautiful. The budget must have dropped for the other two.
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>>115252625
Who's she?
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>>115264639
0/10
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>>115247462
They're utter jewish shit, but on a meta level -like any Evangelion- they're priceless.
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>>115260921
This is hilarious.

Fucking Asukafags man.

"What I watched" is fucking wrong, the "what I expected" part is the actual fucking poster for the movie. The "what I watched" is literally just a fanmade piece stitching 2.0 and a sadamoto drawing of Asuka together.

So Asukafag retard here has all the wrong expectations born from egoistic delusions, watches the movie, doesn't get Asuka: The Movie and is buttblasted. Fucking retarded.
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>>115247462

Nah.

1. was almost pointless but pretty
2. went a bit too far with the "happy theme"
3. just leaves you with tons of questions. Its probably gonna be a lot better with 4.

There are a lot of interesting little things in the Rebuild series. I just hope 4 uses that potential.



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