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Honest question here. Can any Eva fans please explain to me what is so great about the show? I've tried to like it, but i find the characters to be annoying and the plot sloppy and obscure for the sake of being obscure. It's part of a pattern that I've been noticing: the more intentionally obscure and confusing something is, the more it tends to attract people who will praise it endlessly and insult those who don't as "too stupid" or of having no attention span.

So who can give me a good reason for why it's good and who else thinks it's an "Emperor's New Clothes" situation?
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>>11348268

I could raise a giant shitstorm by agreeing with you and comparing the phenomenon with No Country For Old Men's rabid acclaim, but I think I'll pass.
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You either see yourself in the mirror or you don't.
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It was one of the first deconstructions of mecha anime.
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>>11348268
>I spent my 18th birthday alone watching Rebuilt which I'd just downloaded off of bittorrent, and I have no prior knowledge of this show.
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It's fun to dig through the pretentious bullshit looking for meaning, even if there's none there.
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>>11348288
Lookie guys!!! We have a Zen Master in our thread!
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>>11348287
*ahem* no country for old men was actually good. (Not deserving of best picture, but good)
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The secret of Evangelion is that they took super robot pilots and reversed their genders
if Rei was male, he'd be the awesomely silent/cool/calm guy.
When he rushes that angel with an N2 mine under his arm sacrificing his life ... that is the scene where MANLY TEARS flow for A MAN'S WAY OF LIFE AND DEATH.
Asuka, if a man, would be an awesomely HOT BLOODED pilot. And pervy with his advances on Shinji, but a little tsundere.
And Shinji, as a weak little girl, as a girl, puts it into context. You'd be fapping furiously to Shinjiko every night because of her shy demeanour
And with girl Kaworu, Shinji x Kaworu would be amazingly hot.
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>>11348268

OP again. Another thing that bugged me about Eva is the seemingly haphazard use of "esoteric" religious symbolism. Seems like a cheap shortcut to having the appearance of depth without having to actually bother.
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>>11348364
Agreed.
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>>11348369
They just do that to keep people like you away.
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>>11348364
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>>11348364
I see a TIEM PARADOX THEAR
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>>11348387
Eh? And how would that keep people like me away?
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evarngerion is my favourite.
if you dont get it, ur not trying hard enough
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>>11348319
Agreed

Anyways, I liked the shows characters and interesting plot. That's what drew me in and I made my own conclusion. It's when I started looking on the internet for Eva pictures that I found there was a slew of DEEP around it. The whole Superego, ego, Id thing. Yeah.
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>>11348387
Or maybe you're why Eva fans are typecast as posturing, elitist douchebags.
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>>11348440

Or maybe you're just genuinely not smart enough to get it.

The funny thing about people who call other groups "elitist", is that those people are normally butthurt that they didn't feel comfortable joining the ranks.
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Eva fans are just desperately in need of something to feel superior about, because they're generally sad and lonely.
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I think your question isn't really about why people like Eva but why it became such a famous show. Well everyone says that Evangelion turned the genre on it's ear and it did but here's the thing, it did so within the boundaries of the genre.

In other words, it did have all the action mecha show tropes: alien invaders, robot fights, cute girls, a boy thrown into a situation he can't control. However as you got more into the show you realized there was a bunch of weird shit going on. The protagonist doesn't act at all like a protagonist should, everyone is nuts, there's religious symbolism and the Eva's are organic-like things that are pretty disturbing.

So I think it's that mix of the familar and the completely far out that made Eva a classic. And you can't deny that it's unlike almost everything else out there.
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>>11348440

I think the reason that Eva fans are typecast that way, is because Evangelion tends to draw in "non-anime fans". They're not interested in discussing the uber-kawaii "Love Hina" style aspects of the show, but rather, the (possible) underlying philosophical aspects. Stil douchebaggy, but partially the reason.
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>>11348460
What ranks? The "ranks" of pathetic basement dwellers who sit around dissecting a stupid cartoon filled with perverse, giant-robot piloting 14 year olds?
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>>11348268
Didn't like Evangelion? What's wrong, too DEEP for you?
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I liked eva for the asuka-shinji-rei character dynamic, oh and misato, cant forget misato
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>>11348535
see
>>11348527
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>>11348511
Best way to put it.
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>>11348527
Problem is, every Eva fan i've encountered is a hardcore anime fan as well, and still tend to babble on about its "brilliance."
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>>11348591

To discredit brilliance because you "don't get it" or disagree is silly. I don't "get" Picasso, but I'm sure there are more than a handful of people who would tell me I'm an idiot for not calling it brilliant. Therefore, I recognize it's brilliance and move on.
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>>11348627
I'm glad you let your opinion be so heavily influenced by those of others. Thinking for yourself too difficult?
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>>11348627
Or to elaborate, I recognize that others call it brilliant and move on. If it's not for you, that doesn't mean it's any bit less important, it just means it's not your taste.
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>>11348627
This is the worst post I've read all day. Grow a fucking spine.
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>>11348460
Wow. SOMEONE's ego is a little too wrapped up in an anime.
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>>11348643
I just extended my opinion on the matter, posting on 4chan in /a/ when drunk isn't the best idea. Regardless, I think it's a pretty basic concept. You don't have to like it, but trying to discredit it because it's not up to your standards it just stupid.
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late night trolling, almost as bad as late night /b shutting down and letting loose several more trolls.
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Well...
Eva talks about the relations of the people in our time, see the series with that in mind.

About the religious symbolism it is there for nothing too important actually.

Also, the other thing Eva talks about it is the Otaku that cant accept who he is, so he thinks that the people dont like him or hate him, an he stops socializing , while actually the only one that hate him is himself.
Because this some anons flame this masterpiece because they dont like to accept these facts
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>>11348268
And yet another idiot complains about something beyond his understanding.
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>>11348627
this anon is a fucking moron but i think i get where he's going. If you personally don't enjoy something, that doesn't diminish it's overall quality as received by others. Plenty of people still think anime in general is a hackneyed art form and worthless entertainment, but clearly, you disagree, as youre posting on this forum.
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i don't think it's brilliant, but it does have a very interesting view of god and creationism. gives me a real Narnia feel. Eva is thick in christian symbolism. i don't think a lot of the fans who scream brilliant about eva really pick up on this.
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>>11348677

Don't worry about it, you're just being too easygoing for us. Here on /a/ we like to shout our opinions at each other as if we're the most important person in the world.
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>>11348725
>gives me a real Narnia feel

Narnia has Christian symbolism because it's propaganda. Eva has it because it's creator thought it was cute.
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-Think religious symbolism
-No true religous meanings
-Plot tries to be mysterious but never reveals why the fuck all this shit is happening.
-Characters and Mecha design are pretty great (this is the main reason it was so popular I think) most people didnt care that shinji was so whiny at the time.
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>>11348725
There's a major difference between INTENTIONAL christian symbolism and the symbolism in Eva. Some of the use of crosses and such have been directly confirmed by the creators in the Red Cross Book as being there for the "it looks cool" factor. The actual depth of the show is in the sociological and psychological aspects.
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>>11348778
fail
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>>11348754
Exactly.
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>>11348754
>>Narnia has Christian symbolism because it's propaganda. Eva has it because it's creator is a madman.

Fixed.
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>>11348689
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Live and let live you faggots
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>>11348754
Hideaki Anno doesn't understand any of the symbolism he throws in Eva. It's like American movies that depict Buddhist monks as having reality-bending magic powers. Chalk it up to cultural ignorance.
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artfag here.
I dig Eva for because at the time, (90s) it was completely and totally incomparable. The imagery, mixed with psychological reference and plot, mixed with bossa nova/jazz tinged soundtrack was completely and totally attractive. It was also made easier to swallow by the mecha/cute girl/future setting.
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>>11348725
I don't think the Japanese feel so heavily about Christian mythology as we do in the western world. To most of them it's just another mythology to draw from, and maybe draw some allusions as a literary device.
Like how the Final Fantasy series mix in characters from Hinduism and old Norse mythology almost as random. Now, Evangelion obviously is a bit more thorough than that, but you shouldn't assume an anime is trying to be profound just because it borrows a couple of names from the bible.
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>>11348856
this
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>>11348856
I think I will anyway.
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>>11348689
>>11348689
>>11348689
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>>11348689
fail, stop throwing around cheesy high school ideals about relationships.

you would have to be a dumb asses to through around religious symbolism, remember every time you translate a belief system in to symbols you are going to get a lot of shit for it some some angry mob in the world. no one does it just for fun, its not worth doing unless you have a reason.
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>you would have to be a dumb asses to through around religious symbolism
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Evangelion's biblical references are in name only.

Trying to look for symbolism only obscures the message ("hedgehog syndrome").
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I liked the characters personally because they were all so pathetic. Plot was shitsux. The show itself is not super amazing but if it's someone's favorite I got no gripe with that.
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>>11348883
The reason you speak of, nine times out of ten, is to get attention.
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>>11348883
i don't think you made it through high school...
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>>11348895

trying to dissect eva doesn't obscure your fail ("fag syndrome")
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>>11348754
read a fucking book. the movie is modern propoganda of the churches.
the book wasn't writen to be propoganda though.
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Eva was character-driven. Plot's not important.
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it seems to me that none of you have read the commentary at the conclusion of each of the manga volumes. the sources and symbolisms are addressed specifically by the author.
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typical EVA fan
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>>11348856
im pretty sure Christianity raped japan hard core when the British hit the island, so despite the fact that the country isn't strongly christian they get the idea enough to create symbols.
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>>11348922
hi.

the theme of eva is expressed in the simple analogy of the hedgehogs who want to get close to each other but can't because of there spines.

you didn't parody my post properly

try again.
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>>11348957
i don't care who you are, that's a sweet ride.
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>>11348969
Where spines? THERE spines!

still waiting for your balls to drop, tardfag?
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it's got robots. and fucked up violence. and depressed 14-year-olds. and a movie that starts out with a masturbation scene.

what's not to love?
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>>11348957
Notice the WWJD shirt. This man is clearly very well versed in christian symbolism and prepared to take on the complex allegory that Eva presents to the viewer. Notice the pride on his face. He just watched End of Eva for the 2342903482th time and possesses an understanding greater than that of his friends...all 2 of them.
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>>11349013
fuck you, i only have 2 friends ;_;
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>>11349013
wait, are you saying he has more real life friends then us?
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LOL LOOKS LIKE OP WAS A SUCCESS. people have been trolling like that for what... 12 or 13 years now? and people still bite every time. it's a dead horse now.
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>>11348689
/thread
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>>11348994
Oh my, such a clever troll.
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>>11348875
Will what, assume that it's trying to be profound?
You'd be right of course, but you'd still be looking in the wrong place if you focus too much on the bible references. As you say, many of them are just there because it's cool.
Where Eva tries to be profound is psychological. As everyone has noticed, Shinji isn't a hero, he's a whiny bitch who has no business being a protagonist. In fact, just about every character in Eva has serious issues. They're all fucked in the head. That's a bit unusual, wouldn't you say? Certainly more unusual than the bible stuff, almost every anime seems to have a Spear of Longinus or some such these days.
Eva's ending is hardly about Christianity, it's about everyone, especially Shinji, dealing with their issues.
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>>11349051
the intentions of the op doesn't matter, the results do. not a bad eva thread compared to most.
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>>11349042
NO. The post was an allegory filled with complex symbolism. It's not my fault that you can't comprehend it.
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I'm so fucking drunk right now. Eva sucks btw. We'll see how new movies deal with ending faggotry that is NOT DEEP. It was Anno losing all his fucking money at the end so made half the episodes dark screens.
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>>11349068
Would people quit fucking quoting that post already? WE GET IT, you're incapable of thinking for yourself.
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Hi, huge evafag here.

Basically if you can look past the sloppily put together religious symbols and various other stupid shit they tried to make it look more mysterious then you can enjoy eva. Basically what I am trying to say is that it is the expression of an emo director who wanted to kill himself, and this is his way to get through it. Sorta, not really. Main point of the series being that you need pain to be happy, as without pain you are fucking Rei(your mom) instead of fucking Asuka(not your mom) etcetc. Plus I like a hero that everyone hates because he acts like how most people would in a given situation. How dare someone act human. mirite?

there you go trolls, enjoy your food
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>>11349086

I'm too busy focusing on Rei's hot, angsty personality to notice any bible crap going on.
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>>11349124
psyduck <3
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>>11349124

Maybe said emo director should've just killed himself.
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They say this is what happens when you finally sound the depths of Eva's multilayered, allusive story.
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either you like it or you dont, just because you dont like it doesnt mean its bad, and just because I like it means its good.

its true, most people dont understand it, most people dont even posses the mental capacity to get it, but then again most people dont get movies like The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, most people dont get books like Atlas Shrugged, or art like Dali's paintings, and if thats it for them, what difference does it make to me?
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I liked it because it seemed to somehow reach a character depth that none of the other anime I've seen (aside from Lain) could. I truly felt for the characters, by the end, and that was what drove me to continue watching.

And yes I am a basement-dwelling psycho-analytical....female. My man hates it, though. (Or at least doesn't get it)
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>>11349148
Assuming, by the tone of your post, that you get all of these things? Congradufuckinglations. Shall I award you a gold star for your "stellar" effort?
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>>11349131
Rei is love. The disclosed picture nicely illustrates the message Eva really conveys.
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>>11349176
And what message is that? Girls with unrealistic hair colors like to wear skin-tight outfits and stare blankly off into space while situated in a semi-suggestive position?
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I think we should wrap this up now. How about going for the picture limit?
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>>11349184
well if you won't, i will.
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>>11349184
Congratulations Shinji!
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Here we find several intellectuals having a vigorous discussion about how Eva forced them to look deep within themselves.
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>>11349209

Take it easy!
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>>11349263
No.
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real message of evangelion
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OP here. I've decided that Eva is for fags after all, but thanks anyway. Here's a parting gift for you all.
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>>11349237
>pseudointellectuals
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>>11348319

So true. OP, after first watching NGE, I (hastily) came to a similar conclusion. Give yourself a little time to digest everything and let the disappointment wear off, then watch through it again. I think some people greatly hype up the complexity of NGE, but there's still a lot to the show -- it's definitely one that you can watch through two or three more times and still notice stuff that you didn't catch before.

Also, I think it can be as thought-provoking as you want it to be. You can watch Eva looking for a deeper meaning, but I also think it is very enjoyable as a "protect the world" action flick. Most of the Angel fight scenes were pretty fucking awesome.
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>>11349293
Thank you.
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Also, thread needs more Rei.
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>>11349316
Isn't Rei precious? Doesn't she understand our pain so well?
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OP here. I've decided that EVA is for fags after all, but thanks anyway.
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far superior
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>>11349294
This is what happened when I gave myself time to "digest" Eva.
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>>11349294
It's enjoyable in a sense that you're guided through an entire world of hell for a person, you really get to see how they think, what they believe in, who they really are. Then you look at the world today yourself and realize that your views somewhat synonymous with the fictional world of evangelion.
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The characters of Evangelion come off as realistic due to their short-comings. Shinji reminds people of the loser they were when they were 14. There are a number of twist that make it different than your average mech anime. I think it's the first time we see some kid hop inside of a giant fucking robot, and he's actually scared shitless trying to pilot it. It was something very different for its time, and it set a benchmark for originality. Usually, though, most people just over-analyze it and come to the conclusion that it has much more depth to it than it actually does.

Evangelion is in fact what it looks like when a man has a psychological breakdown.
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Persoanlly, I love Eva for the fact that through all the wanton destruction and bloodshed, through all the betrayals and back-stabbings, it's a show about a man who wants nothing more in the world than to be with his wife again.
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>>11349425
AAAAIIIIIIIISHTEEEEEIIIIIIIIROOOOOOO
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>>11349461
and is willing to totally fuck up the world to do so.
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>Evangelion is in fact what it looks like when a man has a psychological breakdown.

So is this. But it's also more entertaining.
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>>11349481

Yeah. I thought it was quite touching.
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>>11349477

I disagree.
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I liked Eva mainly because of the character-study aspects. All the characters are well, fucked in the head, which is interesting to me.

It is well directed. Although it had a low budget, it managed to hide it well. The music is good and the atmosphere is really well done.
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>please explain to me what is so great about the show? I've tried to like it,
always a terrible thread
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>>11349533
You must be a veteran of such threads. God bless you.
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I thnk Eva has something that everyone can relate to, be it the apathetic parent, or the girl that was always just out of reach, or trying to be the best and only ever cutting it at being second best. Evangelion appeals to a wide range of real life situations despite the fantastic setting and events that play out through the anime.
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>>11349558
Speak for yourself. I cannot relate to a couple of whiny little shits piloting gigantic, apelike abominations.
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Oh you guys...
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>>11349599

I'm sure you were the coolest kid in middle/high school and have never angsted a day in your life.
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>>11349599
Too cool for Eva, rite?
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>>11349599

You can relate with Shinji. You're both losers.
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>>11349613
Apparently not cool enough to post a series of faggy dog pictures.
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>>11349620
arguing on the internet isn't your forte, is it?
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>>11349749
and should yiff in hell accordingly
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>>11349669

Nope.
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>>11349613
you do know that this dog is actually a furry, right? so technically you're posting furry therefore are a fucking furry!
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>>11348268
..Or are you just trying to find an excuse for your own stupidity?

See, sometimes, you really DO have to actually think for longer than one minute to understand something.
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>>11349752
Little late to be trolling the troll, don't you think?
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It's full of fucked up characters.

Their personal conflicts is the part that makes people fascinated when watching the show.
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>>11349773
(same who posted >>11349752 )
Meh.
I'm basically just doing it because I feel like it.
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>>11349826

What other reason is there to do anything on 4chan?
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>>11349449
Which is basically what hideki was going through.
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it's DEEP
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>>11349449

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. If you ever watched End of Evangelion, it was clear as day that Shinji wasn't even in Eva anymore.
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in b4 orange juice
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>>11350005

Tang.
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Don't force yourself to like it.
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Macross used to be teh shit when it 1st came out.
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I liked the show for it's mindfuck moments.
Watch a few episodes in line and you feel realy weird.
Also, the soundtrack was great.
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Do you know why these people hate Evangelion? It's because they're total otakus! They try to runaway from the real world by wearing headbands an orange pajamas, running around and doing hand twisting fingerjobs. They try to be GAR when in fact they don't have a spine. They try to be moe because they aren't cute. They hate Shinji because they see themselves in him, and not the GARmoecrap that they've always wanted to see, and the crap they've always look up to.They hate the series because it depicts reality. They hate Anno because he's saying the truth.>>11348957


They hate Shinji because he's human.

Now get on with it.



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