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Can /a/ recommend me an anime?

I am looking for something clever, (perhaps philosophically deep) heavily plot-based, and with characters with actual motives for what they do. Preferably supernatural/superhero-esque. (Maybe with a sinister atmosphere.)

Animes I've watched before off the top of my head and in no particular order: Hellsing, Naruto, Death Note, Serial Experiments Lain, Bleach, Steamboy, Ghost in the Shell, Akira, Fullmetal Alchemist, Last Exile etc.

Can anyone help me out? I need something new to watch but the good animes are harder and harder to come by.

Pic not related in the least but I think it looks nice.
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In before Boku no Bibletoads.

Anyway, maybe GITS.
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>Naruto

2/10
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Paranoia agent, Baccano, Kemonozume.
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0/10
now go watch Berserk and then go read Berserk.
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Trigun
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Paranoia Agent, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, Noein and you could also read Mirai Nikki.
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>>11339109

OP here. I didn't say it was good. I just stated the fact that I have watched it. I've also watched Yu-Gi-Oh GX but that's like -2/10

>>11339104
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>>11339111

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll go check them out.
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Check out some Satoshi stuff.

Perfect Blue
Millenium Actress
Tokyo Godfathers
Paranoia Agent

Paprika is his newest work (I like it), but people are fairly divided on their view on it. Check it out though.
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Urotsukidoji.
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Hikaru no Go. (Im very serious.)
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Monster. NOW.
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Try Kanokon
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>>11339164
shit sux
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There are no philosophically deep anime. Anybody who tells you differently is either a troll or a pseudointellectual tool who's probably never read a book that wasn't required for community college.
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Paranoia Agent.
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Noein, Cowboy Bebop.
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The Haruhi novels are more like that than the show is, if you're willing to read instead of watch.

Fourth-ing Paranoia Agent for awesome as well.
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>>11339184
>>11339182
Samefag.
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>>Naruto

do us all a favor and stop watching
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>>11339189

Ok, are we allowed to call some works, say, more thought provoking than an eye candy show such as Karas and Yukikaze? This "NOTHING IS DERP" thing is starting to grate on me.
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>>11339189

That saddens my heart something fierce. :(
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you won't find philosophical depth AND plot-driven very easily, they tend to be opposites in most effect. Go watch Irresponsible Captain Tylor. That is EXACTLY what you need.
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>philosophically deep
LOL
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Kaiji is philosophically deep. Not joking.
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>>11339240

He already explained himself, faggot. He watched it, he never said he liked it.
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Mushishi
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>>11339206
>>The Haruhi novels are more like that than the show is, if you're willing to read instead of watch.

So they're shit, but shit without the audio-visual component?
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Kino no Tabi. Do it, OP.
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Unless you're a pretentious faggot who writes everything off as "pseudointellectual," Makoto Shinkai's works have some interesting themes.


And by they have some interesting themes I don't mean he's covered a number of interesting themes, I mean he has a set of interesting themes that he's used in every one of his films.
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>>11339303

>So they're shit, but shit without the audio-visual component?

CLEVER!
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Utena.
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>>11339189
Idiot.
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>>11339306
Kino no Tabi is great, as is Mushishi, both in the same vein, but probably not enough plot for OP. OP, you need to branch out.
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>>11339272

That actually looks quite intriguing judging from the Wikipedia entry.

>>11339297

Thanks. I also watch the news some times but that has to be the pinnacle of shows that suck.
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>>11339291
Seconded.
Also, ask Satoshi Kon.
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YKK.

Deepest manga out there without you even noticing.
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>>11339314

no, just pointing out the obvious. why so defensive about shit you like? just admit it's shit and move on
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>>11339348
Tylor has one of the Best Endings of any anime you'll find. OVA doesn't count as they are unfinished story-wise.
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>>11339303
Gah. If you're, as trolls say, DERP DERP enough to consider any japanese media thoughtful, then they do very well.

And the awesome extends to Kino no Tabi as well. Never seen Mushishi, but heard good things. Just have to adjust your mindset for the pace.
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>>11339176
Takes forever to get interesting.
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>>11339142
this
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>>11339358
Someone earlier compared this to Aria, but with an apocalyptic theme and total lack of hopeful feeling. Is this true?
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>>11339358
You're rizZZZzzzZZZZzzzzZzzzZzzZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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darker than black has a kind of superhero thing
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>>11339189
Ihave a question for you.
What kind of books/movies do you qualify as deep, then ?
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OP here. Come now people don't argue. Obviously I wasn't looking for an anime expousing the finer points of Wittgenstein. I was merely stating that I was looking for something with a bit of thought-provoking material.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I can't even keep up with checking them all out as you make them. :)
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Hey OP, I think an epic is right up your alley.

Try Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

If you think that's too long for your taste (which is understandable), check out Toward the Terra.
I really do recommend LoGH though. It's long, but very much worth it.
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philosophically deep anime always turns out to just be ambiguous pseudo-intellectual wanking. Enjoy pretending to be smart.
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Potemayo.

Seriously though, 4chan is not the place for anime recommendations. Anyone who bothers to take the time to respond to this thread will be a troll telling you to watch exactly the opposite of what you're looking for. Try asking at any of these places, these guys will give you serious answers:

Anime on DVD's forums
Animesuki's forums
Animenation’s forums

Don’t ask at Anime News Network’s forums because the moderators are very strict and lock recommendation threads on sight.

If you don’t want to wait for replies, try looking around in these anime databases until something piques your interest:
http://www.anime-planet.com/
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php
http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=main
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>>11339477

Nice suggestion. Length is no issue at all.

Wikipedia: "Unlike other science fiction stories, there are no alien civilizations."

Sort of like Asimov's foundation series?
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>>11339358

Does a plot ever really develop in it? read the first 20 chapters and really couldn't get into it because it was too episodic.
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>>11339523
So then why are you posting on /a/ when you should be like writing some sort of educational papers or something?
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>>11339452
Op you may try checking later at night, too. You'll find a slightly lower amount of trolls. I'm getting me some dinner now, hope this thread gives you a few more good suggestions.

Also, retards stop taking the troll bait.
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Mnemosyne
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>>11339523

Want to read my philosophically investigational treatise on the problem of artificial intelligence based on Searle's Chenese room with comparative annotations to Dennett and Hofstadter's theory of mind?

I don't need to pretend to be smart. I am. However, some times I like to wind down with anime but I still like them to make a bit more sense than Yu-Gi-Oh and Bleach et al.

Got a problem with that?
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Watch Elfen Lied. It will become your favorite anime.
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>>11339596

Don't like Yu-Gi-Oh? What's the matter, not DEEP enough for you?
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Neon Genesis Evangelion comes to mind looking at what you want, but I know this suggestion will cause "DEEP" trollan.
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>>11339528

Good links. Thanks for the advice. :)

>>11339575

Trolls are amusing though.
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>>11339626

Yu-Gi-Oh is comparative to the Tao Te Ching in wisdom. It's nearly as deep as Pokémon.
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>>11339596

You can't fool me. I know those aren't real words.
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>>11339083
Ergo Proxy
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Azumanga Daioh - Slice of Life/Comedy
Aishta no Joe - Sports
Akagi - Drama/Thriller
Aria - Slice of Life
Bamboo Blade - Comedy/Sports
Baccano - Action/Comedy
Beck - Comedy/Slice of Life
Big O - Mecha/Science Fiction
Black Lagoon - Action
Boogiepop Phantom - Thriller/Science Fiction
Card Captor Sakura - Fantasy/Romance
Chevalier D'Eon - Fantasy/Historical
Cowboy Bebop - Action/Science Fiction
Crest/Banner of the Stars - Science Fiction
Cromartie High School - Comedy
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The Girl Who Leapt Through Time. Watch it now.
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>>11339570
>Does a plot ever really develop in it?

No. Yes. Well, sort of. It is possible to be episodic and still having a plot, you know.

>couldn't get into it
>YKK

YKK is required reading for /a/ and generally regarded here to be one of the best mangas ever - kindly leave this place and take your appalling tastes with you.
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Mononoke - SuperNatural
Monster - Thriller/Drama
Moyashimon - Comedy/Slice of Life
Mushishi - SuperNatural/Slice of Life
Nadia and the Secret of Blue Water - Science Fiction/Adventure
NieA Under 7 - Science Fiction/Slice of Life
Noein - Science Fiction/Slice of Life
Nodame Cantabile - Romance/Comedy
Now and Then, Here and There - Drama/Science Fiction
Ouran High School Host Club - Comedy/Romance
Outlaw Star - Science Fiction/Action
Paradise Kiss - Drama/Romance
Paranoia Agent - Thriller/Comedy
Patlabor - Science Fiction/Slice of Life
Planetes - Science Fiction/Slice of Life
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>>11339596
I am personnally interested in your treatise.
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>>11339758
Seconded. One of the best anime movies.
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>>11339741

THIS! Ergo Proxy is full of philosophy and it's actually pretty deep (not DEEP). Highly recommended. Great action, decent story, enjoyable characters.
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>>11339756
>>11339767

pretty thorough list!
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For the movies, rather than The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, which plot is a rather basic time travel story, I suggest you watching Tekkon Kinkreet, which fits rather well your needs.
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>>11339861
I think he just mentally scarred anyone looking for anime recommendations, though. . .
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>>11339861

It's a copy+pasta newfag
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>>11339891

It is, but I added a few things.
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OP here. Wow! I'll never be able to wade through all of this. Ergo Proxy looks really interesting.

>>11339806

I wouldn't mind showing you but I'm not much for putting it up on 4chan.
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>>11339951
You may mail it. :]
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Gundam Seed Destiny
Coyote Ragtime Show
Trinity Blood
D. Gray Man
Black Cat
Tsubasa Chronicle
Gantz
Tenjou Tenge
Inuyasha
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>philosophically deep
This looks like a job for shinji
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>>11340019
I have a better list.

1. Odin
2. Dog Soldier
3. Angel Cop
4. Machine Robo:
5. Legend of the Galactic Heroes
6. Tekken
7. Genocyber
8. The Humanoid
9. Battleship Yamato
10. Planet Busters
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OP here. This is on my things-to-check-out-list so far.

The Irresponsible Captain Tylor
Darker than Black
Legend of the Galactic Heroes
Berserk
Baccano!
Monster
Ergo Proxy
Mushishi
Kino no Tabi
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>>11340248
Add Noein to that. Seriously.
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>>11340248

Looks pretty solid. Get to it!
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>>11340015
So I am leaving for tonight (getting late here), feel free to mail me your treatise, OP ! And watch Paranoia Agent.
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>>11340267

Done. Thanks for reminding me. (Hard to keep track of everything being thrown around here while steering clear of the grotesque eroticism. Not that I mind grotesque eroticism that much, mind you but it wasn't exactly what I was looking for. :P )
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>> Can /a/ recommend me an anime?

Bad move. I recommend you pack your bags and run before they find you.
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>>11340317
Welcome.
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>>11340294

It has already been mailed.

>>11340285

Sir! Yes, sir!
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>>11340248
>>Legend of the Galactic Heroes
Skip this, it's insanely boring. It's like reading a book. The animation is basically a picture slideshow. Half the show is old men discussing POLOTICS.
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>>11340353

They see me trollin'...
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>>11340248
>Baccano!

This has paper-cut characters and is pretty much the more shallow show released in the past few years. Even fucking Code Geass has more substance.
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>>11340375
Even if you like it you can't deny the bad (or lack of) animation and half of it being politics.
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>>11340375

Great. Now I've got Weird Al's "White & Nerdy" stuck on repeat in my head.
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>>11340248
>>11340248
>>11340248
>>11340248

Great music. Re-I <3 ^^ Vincent sucks though.
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>>11340407
It encapsulates some great themes from Machiavelli's and Sun Tzu's writing.
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>>11339951
Ergo Proxy is good and pays homage to a lot of classic sci-fi.

You'll like it unless you're an ADD fag like 11340353 who should gb2/Naruto/. LoGH is awesome especially if you like tactics, military and political intrigue.
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Why the fuck has no one said Ergo Proxy.

OP ERGO PROXY will blow your fucking mind if you want deep and philosophical.
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>>11340483

Ergo Proxy is not philosophical. It's pretty much your average science fiction fare.
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iria
kaiji
blue seed
mindgame
bounty dog
demon city shinjuku
vampire princess miyu
a wind named amnesia
battle angel [i'll fucking kill james cameron]
devilman [only two episodes though, fucking rip off]
urotsukidoji [despite the rapage, there's an intriguing philosophical plotline]
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>>11340483

It's been mentioned a bunch of times already you 'tard.

>>11340353
>>11340395

Oh keep it up guys, you haven't trolled Princess Tutu and Aria yet.
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>>11340483
>OP ERGO PROXY will do nothing for you BECAUSE NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS

Fixed.
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>>11340483

I believe Ergo Proxy has been mentioned a few times already.
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>>11340248

The Irresponsible Captain Tylor - do not know if want
Darker than Black - approved
Legend of the Galactic Heroes - meh
Berserk - approved
Baccano! - approved
Monster - approved
Ergo Proxy -approved
Mushishi - don't. waste. your. time.
Kino no Tabi - meh

I would recommend GITS SAC, Planetes and Black Lagoon.
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>>11340483

Its been mentioned, and is a deserving nomination, as it deals with philosophy and psychology more so than your average show.
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>>11340506
It's not the HARDEST SCIENCE FICTION KNOWN TO MAN but it's well above your average Star Trek.
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>>11340483
Oh wait, some one did while I was reading this/away, my bad.

Anyways, yes Ergo Proxy will be so deep and philosophical that it will blow out one of your eyeballs and you will not even notice because you are concentrating on the show just that FUCKING MUCH.
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>>11340529

Princess Tutu and Aria are good shows, unlike Baccano! which is forgettable fun that will do nothing for a guy asking for heavily plot-based anime with good characterization.
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>>11340511
I see you believe in the philosophy that "typing in all lowercase letters makes you look cool."

It actually makes you look STUPID.
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>> heavily plot-based anime with good characterization.
>> Princess Tutu and Aria

This is how you spot a troll.
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>>11340543

Star Trek is a Space Opera. Seriously, Ergo Proxy doesn't deal with philosophy more than fucking FLCL or Gurren-Lagann.
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>>11340543
Thread needs more HARDEST SCI-FI ANIME KNOWN TO MAN.

PlanetES isn't dark or excessively deep (though it does have it's moments), but it is really awesome.
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>>11340583

Princess Tutu and Aria may not be heavily plot-based, but they have good characterization. Specially when compared to Baccano.
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If you don't think Ergo Proxy is philosophical you obviously haven't looked up all the references in it.

I second Baccano! and Kino no Tabi.
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>>11340566
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Ergo proxy hits you with a great deal of philosophy, the most interesting thing was their interpretation of Plato's ideal society, with philosophers as leaders and autocratic rule of the population. An unorthodox but much more modern interpretation which appropriately puts Plato and Socrates in their place.
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>>11340635

Including "references" to real life figures does not make the show philosophical for fucksake. They're just neat stuff added by Sato to enhance the atmosphere.
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>>11340665

That's a great way to look at it. I never thought it like that.
So, yeah.... Ergo Proxy and Baccano!.
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>>11340665

I thought Nietzsche had already taken care of that a long time ago. ;)
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>>11339083
>110 posts and 7 image replies omitted.
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>>11340606 Ergo Proxy doesn't deal with philosophy

Ergo Proxy is Classical Soft Science Fiction. The shit your grandpa used to read when he was 20. It's too derp for most Anonymous and I don't recommend it to people bellow the age of 18.
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>>11339189
on the contrary. all things contain an abundance of philosophical material. it's the ready accessibility through familiarity that cause large groups with similar predispositions to label things of a similar nature 'deep'. so things that are deep for a certain group, are not for others. also factoring into this is the over-saturation of 'deep' things of an already explored nature.

to someone already exposed to the philosophical concepts in ghost in the shell, it's deep because it's message 'rings true'. to someone over-exposed it's trite.

to me kaiji is a prime example. it contains a decent exposition on class and society and isolation. to me it feels very entry level stuff, but i'm over 30. to someone half my age, to whom these concepts are still newish, it can be a brilliant work.
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>>11340692

And why Baccano? It's a comedy show with exaggerated action and one-dimensional characters.
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>>11340248
You're missing Kaiji, as far as philosophy no other anime comes close.
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The Irresponsible Captain Tylor - Hilarious
Darker than Black - Decent
Legend of the Galactic Heroes - Boring
Berserk - God and win
Baccano! - God and win
Monster - Great
Ergo Proxy - Great. Boku no Pino
Mushishi - Amazing
Kino no Tabi - Amazing. Boku no Kino
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>>11340566
actually whining about capitalization makes you look stupid. especially if you consider that some anon's native languages don't have uppercase and lowercase.
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>>11340714
You don't know what one dimensional means so kindly gtfo
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>>11340702

OP here. I feel your pain. I hadn't thought of it like that.

Have a galaxy on me.
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lol did someone just say philosophy
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Anime can't be philosophical or thought-provoking since all ideas included in its storytelling are contrived from external sources. Ergo Proxy even resourced to external quotations to make a point and had no actual content of its own.
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>>11340750
Kaiji is very thought provoking. I have never before been so interested in Social Darwinism.
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>>11340741

One dimensional means the character don't grow through the show, the characters have a single mood and there's no depth to them. Characters in Baccano! represent a single idea and are mostly idealized and flawless.
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>>11340744
>>11340750

Hi guys.
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>>11340799

But Kaiji's content was coined by an actual non-fiction text ages ago. Kaiji is not thought-provoking, Kaiji was inspired by an actual thought-provoking book.
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>>11340799

Social Darwinism is not actually a real philosophical concept, just racism in a new form.

Kaiji could be more the contrast of to views of human nature, Locke's view versus Hobbes' view.
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>>11340813
your argument is logically failed. thanks anon.
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>>11340850

So Kaiji is actually revolutionary in its ideas? Kaiji could be taken as a new life-changing experience? Obviously not.
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>>11340845
a) it's not actually racism, it's got racism as in aspect in it though
b) this doesn't make it not philosophical
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>>11340813
Are plays or audio-books not thought provoking because they're derived from dead tree books?
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>>11340813
LOL, NICE ARGUMENT. "It was written before in a book." That doesn't make it any more or less thought provoking unless one has previous knowledge of said book.

Here's a better representation of your retardedness:

"I just had an apple at Carl's house."
"Dude, apples come from apple trees!"

Just because they express a philosophy that already exists doesn't make it no longer philosophic.
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>>11340857
original content does not philosophy make.
thanks for playing.
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>>11340863

Literature was never intended to be thought-provoking.
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>>11340857
not to mention that, to someone not introduced to the philosophical concepts it contains, yes it is revolutionary.

context, who'd have thunk it.
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Papa to Kiss in the Dark
Legend of the Galactic Heroes
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>>11340881
LOL WUT?
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>>11340880

Problem is, you don't watch anime or read fiction for such thought-provoking experiences. There are plenty of books dedicated to more through analysis of the human nature.
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>>11340857
Jesus Christ you people are stupid. Just because it is derived from philosophies that have already been created doesn't mean it is any less philosophic or thought-provoking.
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>>11340860

100% racism. In the terms Hofstadter introduced the term, he was arguing that the United States justified their interventions and invasions of Latin American countries because they were superior to the "uncultured" and "uncivilized" indigenous people.
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>>11340881
intent does not mitigate consequences.

a butterfly from a caterpillar is not intended to be thought provoking, yet to many it is.
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>>11340899

Literature has its own focus, a more artistic and expressionistic focus.
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>>11340857
Not everyone is a philosophy expert, it could definitely be a life-changing experience.
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>Papa to Kiss in the Dark
>Legend of the Galactic Heroes
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>>11340903
> you don't watch anime or read fiction for such thought-provoking experiences.

ah, projecting your own personal decisions onto others. how unexpected of you anon.
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>>11340939
depends on who is defining artistic and expressionistic.
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>>11340944

I just find it silly for people to expect philosophy from fiction when you could just read non-fiction books that deal with said ideas in a more through fashion.
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>>11340939
Now it is painful to use this example, literature by authors such as Ayn Rand was designed primarily to be thought provoking, the actual aesthetics, plot and characterization is secondary to that goal.
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>>11340985
what you think doesn't dictate the world.
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>>11341034

There's a reason Ayn Rand is regarded as a terrible writer.
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>>11340926
in origins as a term, in concept not so much.
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>>11341048
True, but also a highly controversial philosopher.
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>>11341077
extremely debatable.
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>>11341050
Yea, but throwing around the term is not generally a good practice, as it is really just a euphemism for eugenics or race supremacy, which is not at all related to what Darwin argued in his theory of evolution.
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>>11341102
while i agree, i have to say this is where the nature of language as an organic mutating thing comes in. it's a defendable argument to say the meaning has changed, but the defense falls apart when it's questioned 'to whom'.

so then what other term do you know that describes the intent of the original persons usage of social darwinism?
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Legend of the Galactic Heroes
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>>11341102
Survival of the fittest (as in best adapted to circumstances) != Survival of the strongest, most ruthless or even smartest.

There is a reason why we humans have things like empathy and affection evolved into us, as by combining our efforts we can adapt to changing situations a lot better.

A civilization where most people are reasonable and cooperative can outperform a civilization of brutal supermen working for their own gain while constantly backstabbing each other.
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>>11341224
> Survival of the fittest (as in best adapted to circumstances) != Survival of the strongest, most ruthless or even smartest.

you're argument rests on this assumption. if you have no proof then you have no argument.
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>>11341160

Elitism and Supremacy come to mind as alternatives to use when defining the same concept. The elimination of "inferior" social elements are part of both of those terms.
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>>11341303
Try looking up some data on intelligence vs birth rates.

I can bet you the most intelligent people aren't the ones having the most kids.
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>>11341303

Look up David Ricardo's theory of competitive advantage, the wiki article reminded me of his theories, which in brief prove that even someone who is "inferior" in every way to someone else can still be a net benefit to society, by allowing the person who is "superior" to specialize in one task and therefore increase net productivity.
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OP here. For crying out loud people! When I said "perhaps philosophically deep" I didn't mean it as in an anime pitting Locke against Spinoza or a manga-character ruminating over how one might interpret Augustine's metaphysics by Hume and what Francis Bacon would say were he to meet Wittgenstein with Popper presiding as mc for the debate!

That is absurd!

I was merely implying that I would prefer to watch something, which had just a little more intelligence in it than the usual humdrum entertainment animes.
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>>11341409

Mushishi
Enzai
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>>11341428

Thanks, kind anon. How the devil did this thread become a discussion on eugenics anyway?
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>>11341452

Like I said earlier..

They see me trollin, derailing..
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>>11341452

Have to take every opportunity we can, an anonymous discussion with well read people rarely occurs as it has in this thread.
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GANTZZZZZ
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>>11341489

And eugenics are just mighty purdy?

>>11341491

You have a point but the debate itself seems unstructured. What is the pro-side and what is the con-side? Surely no one here is arguing that social Darwinism is a desirable route for us as humans to take?

Or are we nitpicking whether the theory of evolution requires us to adhere to eugenics? Because it doesn't. There's decidedly a difference between natural selection and artificial selection. Evolution works on a genetical level and most definitely not on a level meaningful to which attributes we as higher-thinking organisms find desirable.

As someone pointed out even though survival of the fittest (genes) is indeed the mechanism of genetic procreation it is entirely plausible and even meaningful from a game theoretic perspective to evolve as a non-selfish altruistic species within that mechanistic function. That is exactly what we seem to have done. Social Darwinism therefore is based on nothing more than a category mistake of misattributing traits desirable from a human perspective and traits desirable from an evolutionary perspective while effectively being an ideology attempting to excuse atrocities, which go against our evolved morality.

That is OP's opinion at least. I thank you all again for all the recommended animes and now I must get some work done. Cheers
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>>11341379
> Try looking up some data on intelligence vs birth rates.
> I can bet you the most intelligent people aren't the ones having the most kids.

fail. commonly accepted to those educated in social science that intelligence numbers are skewed by far more factors than can be accurately tracked, not least of which is who is defining intelligent, who is collecting data, how the data is collected, participants, etc.

>>11341408
and here again we get into the language discussion on how the term survival is meant. at times in the thread it's meant as in existing in poverty and lower rung classes is not actual survival, but rather just a slow death.

here you use it to mean merely existing. i don't disagree with this statement, just pointing out the flexibility and dangerousness of language.
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>>11341699
>>11341699
there are multiple concurrent threads some with no sides, just exposition.
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>>11341699
> non-selfish
again, the definition of self is another hinge point. is self person, cell, species? to be non-selfish towards the species does not necessarily mean non-selfish towards the person.
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>>11341972

My point was just that you don't have to be an egotistical if-only-I-survive-then-fuck-everyone-else bastard based on evolution. Evolution quite frequently spits out altruistic species even if the mechanism is "selfish."

I appreciate your disambiguation but I wouldn't say it was relevant to the point being made. :)
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go read deadman wonderland



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