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/a/ seems to be be completely unaware of the meaning of good writing. It really has nothing to do with "plot" or "concept" or "characters" but rather with delivery. Not to mention writing for animation should portray a completely different mood and try to move as far away from live-action as they can.

There's a reason Tokyo Godfathers remains the best Satoshi Kon directed film.
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> writing for animation should portray a completely different mood and try to move as far away from live-action as they can.

this is subjective. realism in anime is not bad.
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>Tokyo Godfathers

most misleading film title ever.
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Realism in anime bad, but Tokyo Godfathers > Paprika?
I no understand-y.
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>>11315328
Maybe, but we are right in saying Gurren Lagann has shit writing.
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It's also terrible to compare "literature" to "animation" since they're ultimately completely different mediums. What does "Of Men and Mice" has to do with Gurren-Lagann? Honestly, resourcing to COMPARISONS WITH DIFFERENT MEDIA to make a point is hitting logical rock-bottom.
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>>11315378
Literature can easily be compared to anime that isn't shit.
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Manga > anime
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>>11315370

No, you aren't. First of all, in order to declare an anime with bad writing you MUST KNOW JAPANESE. Dialogs are the one element a writer has true control over in this media, and if your only exposition is a bad fan-translation then you have no right to comment on such.
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>>11315328
>>should portray a completely different mood and try to move as far away from live-action as they can
You are full of shit, your own delusional subjectivity is not a fact.
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>>11315395

No, it really can't. They're different media, one resources to visuals to make a point while the other resorts to words. If your anime is truly comparable to literature, it is accurately unaccomplished in its writing and very probably a lazy adaptation. See: Studio Pierrot's Twelve Kingdoms.
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>>11315421

It's not delusional. The masters of animation are recognized by trying to accomplish things not possible with live-action. You are free to be silly without looking silly, that's a device you must take advantage of.
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>>11315433

Actually, scratch that. Twelve Kingdoms is only comparable to simplistic light-novel serializations.
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>>11315448

You don't HAVE to be ridiculously silly in order to be good. Oftentimes animation stands out by portraying reality in an artistic manner. Not necessarily anime, but animated films are like this.
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>>11315433
>>lazy adaptation
There's no "lazy adaptation", I don't base how much I like an anime over how many hours a staff worked on it or if it was an original work or something, an anime should be seen as itself, as its own product.

I don't care if Kino or LOGH were a series of novel, the most important thing was what they gave me when I watched them.
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>>11315511
>>11315511
>>11315511
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>>11315511
QFT. I am sick of the elitists who automatically dismiss any anime based on a novel or manga or game.
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>>11315511

And Kino gave you cheap animation and one-dimensional characterization. BIG-FUCKING-DOO!
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>>11315556
It entertained me, it's more than enough.
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>>11315525

seconded
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>>11315328

No.

One of the joys of anime is that it can go either way it's diversity makes it all the more interesting. I'm all about character and concept myself but still appreciate visual flair and moves away from naturalism.

Cockfag.
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I don't understand Gurren Lagann fans. When told their anime is shallow and a Saturday morning cartoon, they immediately retaliate by saying it's incredibly deep with TONS of hidden meaning in it. However when called out for not being deep at all, their usual response is "IT'S JUST A FUN RIDE, JUST A KID'S ANIME."

Isn't it supposed to be the "best ever"?
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>>11315684
Funny thing is, it STOPS BEING FUN after Kamina dies.

It started being much more serious, and less fun after Simon gets depressed.

It started being annoying when Nia, who was insanely Mary-Sueish, appeared.

And it stopped....BEING FUNNY.

The "delivery" was SHIT after Episode 11 or so. Hell, even the battle against the Spiral King was boring as fuck.

The animation didn't even wow me at all.

Why only use the budget for huge fights? Why not to add to the "fun" of the characters?
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>>11315820
I agree with you 100%. I absolutely LOVED the beginning episodes. Once Kamina died, Nia was introduced, and this whole "LETZ TEAK ON DA WERLD!" was forced into my face every god damn second. Whatever happened to the simple want to go to the surface and explore the world? WHY DID IT GO TO SPACE AND BECOME RIDICULOUS?
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>>11315684
Maybe because that is a false dichotomy? In your words everything is either deep or shallow. Shades of gray do not exist.

This is obviously false because Gurren Lagann is not deep in the sense that you must scrutinize everything in order to find some obscure message that the author intended to be found only by some dedicated few and Gurren Lagann is also not shallow in the sense it actually tries to send a message of progress and individuality.
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>>11315820
This is true because you say so.
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>>11315684
>>11315820

First of all, the show IS NOT DEEP. It isn't a shallow kid's show ever. Stop using straw man arguments to make a point. The show portrays good, clever, writing and iconic direction. It remains pretty damn impressive through, other than the few non-Nakajima episodes.
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who cares about writing

/a/ is about fapping to lolis and making fun of naruto
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>>11315915
I was saying, the fans simply refuse to mix the two. It's either extremely simple, "a child's cartoon" or suddenly every character's actions is symbolic and adds to the story.
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>>11315891

Except, the whole "TAKE DA WORLD" set-up was PLANNED FROM THE DAMN BEGINNING. It was never a show about exploring the surface, it was a show about a rebellion, about making a change.
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>>11315947

Don't be silly. Gurren-Lagann fans never claim GL as a DEEP show, they just say it is anything but shallow and has actual, cleverly delivered, content.
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>>11315947
Because a children's show can't have symbolism right?
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>>11315937
See
>>11315947
I don't think its the fans' fault they keep getting attacked with fallacies.
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>>11316011

But not even the more pretentious copy-pasta about GL claim it to be a DEEP, INTELLECTUAL show.
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>>11315891
Exactly. I don't give a shit about how "deep" or "shallow" it supposedly is. But I DO care about having adventures with characters who I like.
I LIKED Simon's child like admiration for Kamina, and Yoko.
I LIKED Yoko's kick assery.
And I LIKED Kamina's "Pierce through the heaven's" rambling.
And I liked the fascination with the upper surface. I loved the first episode, because it was unique and interesting.
The episodes after that were about adventure, and fun, and just getting into wacky situations. It was a lot of cheesy fun, with actually kind of funny fanservice.

Where'd that go after Episode 8?

Oh yeah. It died with Kamina.
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>>11316011
>>Oops, wrong order of links
>>11315947 See >>11315937
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>>11315959
Alright I can understand that. But to really make the series so ridiculou and move the entire series into "space", and use horrible cliche things such as "NIA WUZ ALWAYS EVIL DESTROY DA BAD GUYZ" how is one supposed to take it seriously?
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>>11316028

No. You found those episodes "unique and interesting", they're not inherently "unique and interesting". You see, you're claiming opinion as fact and that's just basic trolling.
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>>11316043

...you say, because "ROBOTS THAT MOVE WITH FIGHTING SPIRIT" is not cliche? You're not making any point in here, you're just saying "I dislike the show because I dislike it". Why is it objectively bad? You can't answer that because such a determination simply does not exist.
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>>11316028

I liked the first episodes because of the great cartoon writing. The many hints towards a simple, but very well-developed, bigger picture. They delivered said bigger picture, went their way to showcase all of the initial themes and ideas in a very straight-forward but not clumsy fashion.
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>>11316059
Wait, wait, wait.

So you're telling me, that the overall mood of the show wasn't about fun.adventure? In the first episode, they used a shit load of animation techniques just to illustrate the amazing view of the surface once they broke out!

In another, we got sent into a situation where it seems like a bath house is everything Kamina ever dreamed of, but it turns out its the lair of one of those Spirals.

Look at the fucking mechs in the show for Christs sakes! Look at the art style!
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>>11316079
there is nothing objectively bad about gurren Lagann, it's a fun ride. thats it. sure there's some positive messages and it is a bit childish, but again, if you were watching hamtaro, would you still have the right to complain that it's childish? after all you're choosing to watch it.

anyways, I think the really annoying thing about GL is the fanfagottry that goes with it, which is becoming somewhat akin to the faggotry associated with Naruto fanboys.
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>>11316146

No, I'm claiming adjectives like "refreshing" or "fun" are subjective.
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>>11316059
So basically, you're saying the whole show is not inherently entertaining, it's just "nothing."
>>11316079
Okay to make it objective 7 out of 10 people who like the show were picked on in school and want to feel like they can "fight the power." So really it's not good at all, it just appeals to you.
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lol GL is only a shounen for kids... se the airing (morning, saturday), overrated by retarded western weeaboos...

FUCK YOUR SHIT
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>>11316167
If you want to hide behind that universal defense, then fine. It's my -opinion- that the feelings the beginning of Gurren Lagann gave to -me- were lost later on.

Fuck. You people will go at ANY LENGTH to defend this show.
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Um... no... watching an anime about a giant fucking blob monster that goes on a rampage shooting shit out of it's fingers and fucking the holes of the moon, which is as far from live action as you could ever get, would be fucking annoying.
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>good writing

>a picture of gurren-lagann

heh
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Sage for another Gurren Lagann circle-jerk thread.
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Gurren Lagann:

Good show, shitty fanbase. Don't take it seriously and you'll have fun with it.
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>>11316215
agreed
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>>11316184

A majority does not make a truth.

>>11316215

There's nothing you need to "turn off your brain" about when watching the show. It would be like turning your brain off when watching Toy Story.
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Apparently it's wrong to say to like a show for certain qualities, and dislike when those qualities disappear.

GEE. I WONDER WHICH SHOW THIS SOUNDS LIKE (fill in the blank time, guys!).
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>Don't take it seriously and you'll have fun with it

seconding this

GLfags: and you make fun of narutards?
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>>11316238
So I guess Gurren Lagann isn't really that great then.
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>>11316245
lol
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>>11316238
I didn't say to turn off your brain. I just said not to take it seriously. Don't look into it, and don't act as though each message is laced with some deep philosophy.
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>>11316257

Gurren-Lagann is only as good as the spectator makes it to be. If you love it, it is a masterpiece. If you DON'T it isn't. As simple as that.
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>>11316296
What the fuck is the point of this thread then?
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>>11316289

And couldn't you say the same about every anime ever?
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>>11316245
Dislike, yes. Say its crap, no.

I have no problems with people not liking Gurren Lagann. Im just very tired by trolls everyday tryin get a reaction and gullible fans getting worked up and giving in.
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>>11316320

I don't know, I'm not the OP.
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>>11316296
actually, for me GL was hyped to the max, so i thought it would be amazing, but it was only mediocre

so I disagree with this
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>>11316328
Yeah, I guess you could. Everything becomes more enjoyable when you do this.
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>Naruto/Pokemon/Duel Masters/Gurren Lagann is only as good as the spectator makes it to be. If you love it, it is a masterpiece. If you DON'T it isn't. As simple as that.
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>>11316332
You can't use words to describe it then? You have to make it PERFECTLY CLEAR that it's your opinion? Gawd.
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>>11316338
you just agreed with it

anime is entertainment and not inherently good or bad. viewers look for different things when watching an anime and likes a show for different reasons (for example, one might like GL just for Kamina). Lucky Star, GL, Musashi Gundoh, Cowboy Bebop etc are only as good as the viewer makes of them.
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>>11316338
Suggest something better than Gurren Lagann, since it is mediocre.
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>>11316328

some anime actually reward you for thinking and even promote it, hard as it is to imagine
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>>11316372

jesus, how circular can you get

what's your point?

i dislike GL and disagree with all the GLfaggotry

what's wrong with arguing over that?
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>>11316296
No, art doesn't work that way. You can't look at a piece of shit, think it's great, and then call it a masterpiece. Quality isn't THAT subjective.
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>>11316425
have you seen art galleries?
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>>11316460
They should be paying attention too.

THIS IS NOT ART!
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>>11316503
OMG yes!!
modern art is so bad!
I've thought that ever since the beginning of modern "art"
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>>11316585
duh. it got its own name because with out it no one could tell they were looking at art, plus it helps make sure no one will associate it with real art.
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>>11316585
You're 100 years old?
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>>11316644
A name like nonrepresentational abstract?
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ITT: We misuse the term "modern art".
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>>11316503

Watch what you're posting. Pollock is fuckwin.

I have a tenancy to agree though, most modern art is quite, well, unartistic.
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GOD FORBID ART GOES BEYOND SIMPLY "LOOKING PRETTY" OR NEEDING TO "LOOK PRETTY" IN ORDER TO TRY TO SAY SOMETHING

I MEAN, SHEESH, WHAT THE FUCK, IF I CAN'T AT LEAST LOOK AT A PAINTING AND SAY, "WOW THIS LOOKS VERY GOOD" WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT
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>>11316644
lol
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>>11316646
whoa.. modern art isn't.. well.. modern
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>>11316915
Google "dada."
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>>11316915
Once again, when it is applied to the arts, most people do not correctly use or understand the term "modern".

The "modern" period, by most counts, started as early as the last decade of the nineteenth century, and rose to prominence during and after WWI.

Just because you don't understand it, or dislike it, doesn't mean you can slap the label "Modern" on it because it goes away from the traditional values of aesthetics.
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modern != post-modern
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This thread is full of faggots.
Anime is suppose to entertain you. If it has done that, then stop critiquing its artistic values like you're an expert on the subject. None of you faggots are experts in Japanese culture so you can't say what is good and what is not. If you're going to compare the artistic values of Japanese art with your cultures art, then do so with an understanding of Japanese culture. You all talk like your opinions really matter.
Get a fucking clue and accept the fact Gurren Lagann makes more money than your anual salaries.
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>>11317588
JAPANESE_CULTURE_EXPERT (has experienced over 356 facets of japanese culture last experienced: japanese art)



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