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So, was Osamu Tezuka actually a furry? He did Ode to Kirihito which, according to a certain anon, was "pro-furry" and basically approves of furfaggotry and animal sex. Also, he directed this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCkShz1_AYU&feature=related
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagi%2C_the_Monster_of_Mighty_Nature

Seriously, this is all really fucking creepy.
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bump.

was Ode to Kirihito actually furry or was that just a troll post or someone misunderstanding the story?
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Yes, Tezuka was open about being a furry. It's just a little known fact.
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>>11277284
please be a troll
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>>11277125
From the description of Ode to Kirihito that was given, it sounds like he crossed the line from furfaggotry to bestiality.

The mods are busy trying to protect Tezuka's reputation.
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>>11277330
yeah but, was he basically approving of bestiality or was the forced dog sex thing just meant to be just a shocking display of humanity's cruelty or whatever (sort of like all the fucked up shit seen in Go Nagai's manga)? I mean, judging by wikipedia the dog face thing was a disease which just happened to make people's faces look doglike.
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so about that dog fucking scene, did Tezuka actually approve of bestiality or was it portrayed as a 'shocking' thing? His work has always been really moralfaggy and I doubt "ANIMAL FUCKING IS OKAY, LOL" was one of those messages.
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so about that dog fucking scene, did Tezuka actually approve of bestiality or was it portrayed as a 'shocking' thing? His work has always been really moralfaggy and I honestly doubt that "ANIMAL FUCKING IS OKAY, LOL" was one of those morals.
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>>11277223
>>11277125

The concept of "furry" DID NOT FUCKING EXIST during most of Tezuka's lifetime.

Furry as we know it came to be as an internet phenomenon in the 90's. You're underage b& if you think anything Tezuka encountered during his life bared any substantial resemblance to how we percieve furry today.
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even if he was furry he accomplished more in life than all furfags of the future combined.
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If Tezuka was furry, then so's the entire anime industry, since it all takes after him.

PS: Tezuka was not furry and you're a moron.
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>>11277647
If it IS true, Japan's whole animation industry was influenced by a man who approved of bestiality. What the shit.

Oh and a while ago I stumbled upon this. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ean=9781880656921

I thought "lol, another weeaboo faggot" and did a wikipedia search of the author's name since I had nothing better to do and, well...
>Frederick Walter Patten (born 1940) is known for his work as a historian in the anime, manga, and furry fandoms, where he has gained great distinction through a substantial contribution to both print and online books, magazines, and other media.
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Is it pretty much agreed that furries were all just kids who watched a few too many cartoons back when they were starting to get sexual feelings?

Remember "Helllooooo, nurse!"?
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>>11277737
wait, I forgot the most important part
>Mr. Patten has met and become friends with famous anime and manga creaters, including Osamu Tezuka and Monkey Punch.
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT, PLEASE BE A LIE. I mean, it's a badly written user review and mustn't be taken seriously... right?
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wait, is this autosage now?
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>>11277766
A) It was probably him saying they were good friends. Doesn't really mean jack. Just cuz I've had some friends who turned out to be freaks doesn't mean _I'm_ a freak.
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>>11277125

Like I pointed out in the last thread, that movie was anti-furry. GTFO.
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>>11277808
I've known that for ages; maybe the guy wasn't open about his weird fetishes like most internet furries. But then I heard about Ode to Kirihito, which changed everything

Okay, Bagi had Animaniacs-level furfaggotry, which wasn't *too* bad. But Kirihito sounded downright creepy judging by that anon's description (which I never saved).
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>>11277850
Okay, so Bagi isn't furry, unless you think Tom & Jerry and Animaniacs' mildly sexual jokes were also furry. Back to Ode to Kirihito.
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>>11277766
>>11277808
Wrong. Monkey Punch, Osamu Tezuka and that Patten guy had furfag orgies together.
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>>11277125
so that's who kafuka's hair reminds me of
ASTROBOY
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>>11277627
Beg to differ.

"The Shining", 1980. Furfaggotry is shown in its rawest form.

The term "furry" for that sort of thing started to be used commonly (among furries) in the early 80s, but the perversion is older than that.

It was just isolated and kept underground, until the late 80s, when they started holding conventions.
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>>11278002
not really
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Has anyone here read Ode to Kirihito so they can confirm whether or not it approves of dog sex? I mean, the dog face thing was portrayed as a disease; even considering Japan's fucked up morality, I doubt Tezuka's message was "it's okay to have sex with diseased dog people in order to create even more mutant offspring, also dog fucking is ok". It's just insane.
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>>11278050
no not that pic
too lazy to find the angle right now
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Osamu Tezuka tried to be a deep thinker, but he really just wasn't good at it.

"Bagi" was a protest against recombinant DNA research, which was about as intelligent and thoughtful as Frankenstein was as a protest against medical research and the advancement of surgery.

In "Astro Boy" he often presented his machine characters as having feelings and deserving equal rights with humans. This is such an obviously terrible, insane idea, I won't even go into arguments against it.

He really set the tone for decades of pseudo-thoughtful anime and manga that look hard at complex issues, and end up having nothing to say about them.
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I think he was just trying to say "diseased dog faced people are still people and should be treated appropriately, but having them fuck humans and/or dogs is still wrong." That poster was probably a closet furry anyway.
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>>11278197
>In "Astro Boy" he often presented his machine characters as having feelings and deserving equal rights with humans. This is such an obviously terrible, insane idea, I won't even go into arguments against it.
But they're basically metal humans with advanced AI. Can't see what's so insane about that, considering Tezuka's LOLPACIFIST nature.
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>>11278197
A sentinent machine with feelings should have equal rights as a human. Because one day we'll be able to turn one into the other and people being property, aka known as slavery, should not be reinstated.
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I still feel like a furfag for enjoying Black Jack and every tezuka-influenced thing ever
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>>11278457
faggot
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>>11278197

Hey, if the robots turned out to be like Astro, I don't see why they shouldn't get rights.

I might want to remove their ass machine guns first, though.
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>>11278015
Monty Python sort of introduced it in the 70s.

No, really. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK92NYwBMts
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So did he really promote bestiality and furry sex in Ode to Kirihito? I really can't imagine him shitting out a message like that especially considering the context of the supposed sex scenes and the overall message.
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>>11278457
that's what they said about niggers and look what happened.
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>>11278658
The sad thing is that everybody involved, including the actors, thought they were making a joke.
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tezuka drilled dog poopers regularly
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yiff in hell furfags
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>>11278457
If you simulate a person's brain on a computer, that is a simulation, it is not "turning a person into a sentient machine". See, you can make copies of a person's brain pattern without destroying the original. It's like playing a video of a person on camera. It is just not the original person.

Similarly, replacing a person's heart with a mechanical one doesn't make him inhuman. Nor does replacing the rest of him. Only replacing the brain ends his humanity.

The best objection to "machine people" is practical: if machines are people, who deserve to be treated as equals to humans and allowed to vote, then if you don't like the way the current democracy is being run, all you have to do is manufacture up some voters favorable to your preference.

Machines, in the first place, aren't people, obviously. In the second place, treating them as people would have disastrous practical consequences.
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This is the stupidest attempt at trolling I've ever seen. Even more retarded than last night's forced meme.
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>>11278779
So he did "Horton Hears a Who" is a very gross way.
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>>11279204
Even if that's true, (which I'm somewhat skeptical of) that doesn't mean the end result isn't a different person. The brain, after all, is just a bunch of neurons wired together dumbly firing. What makes neurons so magical that the same thing can't be done with a computer?
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>>11279256
Troll this *grabs dick*
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>>11279271
Continued:
...although I'll agree that sentient robots would have to have their rights given to them delicately. Just giving robots the right to vote would lead to the problem you say, but after all, we only give humans the right to vote if they're over 18, so it seems plausible that there could be reasonable restrictions on the ability of robots to vote while still giving them "equal rights" in a broad sense.
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>>11279204
>if machines are people, who deserve to be treated as equals to humans and allowed to vote, then if you don't like the way the current democracy is being run, all you have to do is manufacture up some voters favorable to your preference.
I thought people like Doctor Tenma didn't have that much freedom over the mind of a sentient robot?
>>11279256
I'm not trolling, I actually thought Tezuka PROMOTED bestiality by including it in his comics

But then I thought about it and noticed the fact that Tezuka couldn't have been promoting that, especially considering the manga's message and the context of the dog fucking bit (people forcing a diseased dog faced human into it). It's the EXACT OPPOSITE. Diseased people whose faces resemble those of dogs are still human, but that doesn't mean having them procreate in order to give birth to even more diseased people is a good idea.

I really need to find a copy of this mango.
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>>11279315
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I have read Ode and found it to be a fairly good story. It definitly does not promote bestiality, but it does promote acceptance of people who are different. MW is a Tezuka work that has a lot more bestiality than Kirihito and the bestiality is used to show that the character that partakes in the act to be a demon. If Tezuka was furry, it does not really show in the works. MW abounds with death and sex (half homosexual) all around so the bestiality was not really that shocking. Of course, take this with a grain of salt, for i am a furfag.
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HAY YOU GUYS! YOU GUYS.

I HEARD TEZUKA PETTED A DOG ONCE.

THAT GODDAMNED FURRY.
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>>11279374

I read Kirihito. You'd have to be either 1) a furry or 2) out of your mind to believe that Tezuka ever promoted bestiality. So how about we just assume you're trolling, it'll make you look better.

For anyone else who might be falling for this shit - even though Tezuka could get dark (MW or Kirihito for instance) he always said that his message was about love for all living creatures and a celebration of life.
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>>11279452
>Of course, take this with a grain of salt, for i am a furfag.
>If Tezuka was furry, it does not really show in the works
So you're a furfag and you're not trying to make Tezuka seem like ONE OF YOU? I guess that pretty much rules out my paranoid "tezuka was a furry" theory.
>>11279480
as I said in that last thread, reading Somethingawful religiously for years does awful things to one's mind.
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>>11279587

Okay, great. Now can you please just let this thread die? You are single handedly decreasing the quality of /a/ by about 80%. That guy from /b/ is attributing the remaining 20%.
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>>11279648
that's it, I'm deleting this thread
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>>11279587
we are not all terrible people, just a vocal many ruin it for everybody else.



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