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In the future, George Bush will be regarded as one of the greatest presidents to ever live
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ITT retards write history in the future
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Lincoln freed the slaves in a way that kept 'em chained up.
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please save us John B. Reed!!
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Lincoln cared more about Lee joining the north than he ever would have about the state of blacks in the south.

I hate how we cushion history.
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WTF?
No Wilson?
Truman?
Roosevelt?
Roosevelt?

And if they're going to include a modern President, Reagan's at least more well received, despite really being no better.
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>most controversial presidents
Fixed
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>>11276669
He's dead, anonymous
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>>11276681
Clinton is usually even better received. Due to people having fond memories of that time compared to now.
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>>11276681

Wilson lied about and got us in WWI.
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>>11276642
sauce?
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>>11276705

ah shit, figures
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>>11276642

Wait...most assassinated presidents?

There's still time for Bush to die in office.
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>>11276712
He didn't lie about shit. The Lusitania really was sank. Also, he wanted the League of Nations. So whatever.
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>>11276736

And don't get me on McKinley and Garfield, no one cares about them.
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>>11276736
Cheney....
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>>11276766

But it was a British ship that Germans had warned Americans not to travel on.
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>>11276642
Is that Lex Luthor?
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>>11276766
And it wasn't just the Luisitania. It was more passenger ships.

Too bad it turns out the Germans weren't any worse than the French in that war, and the world might be better off now in many ways if we had sided with them instead.
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Whut show is this?
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>>11276797
They still sank a passenger vessel full of Americans. Whether it was loaded with weapons or not, shit wasn't going to fly.

The people of the U.S. will believe anything for the sake of going to war.

Example: The public believe Sadam Hussein was harboring Al Qaida, despite the fact that they had no connections.
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>>11276819
That's what I thought when I first saw it
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>>11276736
damage is already done and it won't happen because of this
>>11276796
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>>11276819

Apparently American would never vote for a bald president. Hair is a sign of power and vitality.
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Lex Luthor?
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>>11276855
It's funny how every president's hair dies halfway through their term.
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>>11276890
SOMEONE CHANGING WHAT THEY SAID AFTER NEW FACTS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED?!?! WHAT KIND OF LOGICAL FAGGOTRY IS THIS?!?!
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Either way, Wilson had said we're not going to enter the conflict. Then the Zimmermann Telegram comes around and we're at war. I guess it's a valid reason, but he still had to flip-flop.
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>>11276857
Himitsu
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>>11276858
Because a lying president told them that there was hope when America was vulnerable, just like how Hitler got Germany to get pumped up enough to start chasing out jews.
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HI MR. LUTHOR!
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>>11276907

FLIP-FLOPPING, MAH BOI
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>>11276855
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>>11276907

Well, it goes a long way in demonstrating why you should never say never.
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>>11276930
I giggled
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>>11276642
They're talking about Bush 41 the GAR, not Bush 43 the fail.
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>>11276879
Stress.
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>>11276981

Bush 43 killed more people. He's more GAR.
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>>11276912
Otis you idiot!
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>>11276642
They're referring to Jeb Bush, the 44th President of the U.S.
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>>11276642
They're referring to Jeb Bush, the 45th President of the U.S.
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>>11276981
Did 41 do anything really? 42 seemed better in every way.
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>>11277049
Not with his bare hands like Papa Bush
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source on OP
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>>11277121
see
>>11276892
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>>11277114
I take it you haven't read the Bush vs. Koizumi mahjong manga.
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What the fuck did Kennedy even do?
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>>11277149
Space Race
Handled Cuban Missile Crisis without getting us all killed
Helped the darkies out a bit
Died on episode 8.
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>>11276930
Luthor took 40 states

that's as many as four tens!
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>>11277149
He was influential in the Civil Rights movement (grudgingly so, he was pretty racist in private) until Lyndon B. Johnson took over after his assassination (and he was as racist in private, if not moar so).

There's also the Bay of Pigs thing.
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>>11277188

That's terrible!
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>>11277179
>>Died on episode 8.
I lol'd
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>>11277179
Accurate depiction of JFK.
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>>11277179

Now heres a man who knows his history.
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>>11277204
I forget. Why didn't we provide the air support we promised then?
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NO ANDREW JACKSON?

WTF IS THIS SHIT
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>>11277379
Jackson SUCKED. He was GAR but he sucked as a president.
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>>11277388
>>11277393
the supreme court has made their decision


NOW LET THEM ENFORCE IT
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>>11277379
In America, we like to leave our genocides forgotten, not celebrated.
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>>11277388
>>11277393
Fuck you, without him you...

umm...
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>>11277438
I know, without him, we'd be a small east coast nation, the Mexicans and Canadians would probably be powerful, and we wouldn't matter as much.

So?
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Reed looks oddly like Lex Luthor
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>>11277438
First Baby

Jackson experienced the first known case of a President being handed a baby to kiss. However, Jackson declined, and handed the baby to Secretary of War John H. Eaton to do the honors.
That's all I could find.
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I am pretty sure he is going to be tied with Jimmy Carter as the worst President ever.
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Nixon 08'
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NO TAFT?!
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>>11277658
He's already way worse than Carter
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>>11276681
They're not going to mention either of the two presidents who fucked their shit up in WWII.
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Warren G Harding is pretty bad.
And there are a few useless presidents.

But really, it will be very hard to look through future text books and conclude that there has ever been a president worse than George W. Bush in many respects.

Possibly most corrupt, terrible appointees, destroyed what we had left of our reputation, destroyed the economy, and didn't even do the stupid things he claimed he would do, such as drilling in Alaska and banning gay marriage.
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i think we should re-elect bush for a third term.

think about it. with a pacifist fuck like clinton as president, the world was boring as fuck. there wasn't much war, and everybody was pretty ok with the usa.

but now W waltzes in and starts fucking around with shit. the world hates the USA, there's wars all over the place, and we've raped our economy pretty hard. this is the best thing to happen since WW2. now my generation actually has something to accomplish. but that opportunity for adventure and strife and awesome battles could be snuffed out by some fucker like barrack obama or john mccain. fucking nittwits are pacifist assholes. fuck them. we need a president like TFR or Andrew Jackson who isn't afraid to say, "fuck you world, we'll police the shit out of you and you'll love us. look what we did to japan and germany. they're practically sucking our cocks now. russia? near miss. ten more years and they'd be our bitch too". honestly, the world is just starting to get interesting right now in 2008 and most americans want to kill this opportunity? fuck america. fuck democracy. fuck peace. nothing awesome will ever come of my life (im 21) if there's naught but peace and stagnation for the next 10 years.
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>>11276681
Remind me what Truman did that was remotely good again? Let's not forget that Eleanor Roosevelt verbally castrated him.

In before any mention of nukes.
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>>11279007
nuked the jappos
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>>11279007
Japanese relations.
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>>11279007
authorized the dropping of two bombs without knowing their power.
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>>11276930
Washington is always a solid blue state...
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>>11279007
Well, lets put it this way. It could have been way worse than Truman.

What if we had a hothead in office at the end of WWII? Stalin already hated us as it had been. Some bad decisions could have easily led to war with the Soviets. Truman prevented that, and at the same time, prevented Soviets from claiming more territory than they already did.
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>>11279070
Nobody gives a fuck about Washington, its like the closest thing to Canada.
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>>11279054
And at the same time, informing the Russkis that we had a bomb of unknown power.
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>>11279085
no thats Minnesota
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>>11279085
Really, no one cares about any of Cascadia.
Until we take over, that is.
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>>11279100
and now they have more than us.
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>>11279007
made sure japan didn't fall into commie hands

IF IT WASN"T FOR TRUEMAN, YOUR ANEEMAY YOU WATCH NOW WOULDNT EXIST
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>>11276707
>>Clinton is usually even better received. Due to people having no recollection of any of the shit he pulled like the oil for food scandal

fixed
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>>11279119
Yeah. They have -10000 more than us.
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>>11279115
It's a fucking featured article on wikipedia.


That says something.
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>>11279152
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_powers#Estimated_worldwide_nuclear_stockpiles
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>>11276681
Roosevelt II was a lying, arrogant dandy who provoked the Nazis and Japanese into killing Americans so he could drive the country into WWII to fix the economy which he helped drive further into ruin through his authoritarian, meglomaniac personal ambition.
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>>11279182
No.
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>>11279152
are you one of those kiddie tards that failed school and listened to the bullshit about America having the most nukes in the world, capable of destroying the world several times over?
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/a/ - History of American Presidents
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>>11279130
Doesn't matter. While Clinton can't take credit for the economy, it was good and people were happy. They'll automatically associate that with him.
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>>11278844
I happened to already be of voting age when Carter was President, unlike you who hadn't even been born, Carter was and is every bit as bad as Bush.
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>>11279201
/a/ has always been History & Politics
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>>11279205
well, it's always good to know that people are inept at realizing what presidents really are accountable for and do. "HURR DURR BUSH IS PRESIDENT HURR DURR" you never hear people bitching about congress or the house or the senate
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>>11279219
What did Carter do that was so much worse? Did he lie to a country to get us into a war for money/power/making his peen larger?
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>>11279219
Wow you're old. Sadly, I think Carter does more harm now that he's retired than he ever did as president.
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Hello, Polk?

Only guy who carried out all his campaign promises.
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>>11279200
We could destroy the world by setting them off in America, never mind actually hitting targets. The numbers have gone down, but the yeild on the intercontinental ballistic missiles has gone up.
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>>11279252
Obviously, they weren't ambitious enough for anyone to have heard of him.
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>>11279246
We're Americans, look at how much good he's doing for us and how much the world loves us for it!

We're protecting the world from the world.
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>>11279246
Interestingly enough, Carter is in many ways partially responsible for the current situation in the middle east.

Just google Carter and Iran.
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/a/ - US History

Also, Roosevelt (not the cripple one) looks down upon all other presidents as weaklings...except for Jackson he's cool.
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Anyway, going to sleep now.

Vote Putin, /a/.
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>>11279233
Because FDR, LBJ and Nixon turned the Presidency into the only office that's worth a damn anymore.
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Carter's songs are bad and he should feel bad.
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I think Japan is a pretty cool guy, eh doesn't know shit about history, starts shitstorms on /a/, wishes to be the big white man, and doesn't afraid of anything.
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>>11279290
Too bad he didn't always think before he spoke. Why did he ever say he wouldn't run for another term?
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>>11279288
Don't give me that Iran Hostage bullshit, Patriotismfags were just butthurt because it made America seem weak.
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>>11279252
CRUSH MEXICO
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War has always brought about economic boon. Probably one of the reasons this one hasn't is that
a. We suck dick at it now
b. America is impatient as fuck and wants to win everything in a week with no casualties at all
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>>11279359
America IS pretty damn weak.
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>>11279270
The guy took California, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona from the Mexicans, and Washington, Oregon, and Idaho from the Canadians. Tell me that's not awesome.
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>>11276698
>>11276681
>>11276712

FDR-cripple, commie, WASP supremacist bastard, his wife was a total dyke

Reagan: Fiscal conservative my ass-practically tripled the national debt; supported contras illegally, also, as far as being greatest "conservative" ever, signed a major pro-abortion bill while gov of CA, signed big federal firearms law in 1982

Lincoln-War criminal, enemy of the constitution and bill of rights; homo; wife was a nutter; just desserts I say

Clinton: Monica and Juanita-and bombing other countries to distract from his personal scandals. Economy wasn't his doing, but at least he oversaw a surplus budget, despite huge spending. Also, another dem with a bulldyke wife

W: Where to begin...Iraq...Afghanistan...torture...PATRIOT ACT...
Budget...corruption...lying...internets...brush clearing...
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>>11279377
True.
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Americans=human pieces of shit

Fuck off, nobody wants you.
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>>11279359
Because it was an implicit standard set by Washington and no president since ever ran for a third term?

Good thing his cousin didn't care, or else the Presidency would... oh.
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>>11279377
Right now, everyone is, butterboy.
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>>11279406
It's not our fault, we were born into it. We don't like it either.
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What about Thomas Jefferson?

He did cool things, I think.
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We should make a Cobalt Bomb and drop it on the Middle East, even though we'd die too, at least the towel heads would be the first to go.
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>>11279424
I was born in Peru, I was an illegal, FUCK YEAH!
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>>11279406
Don't say that, deep down inside, you know you NEED us.
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>>11279246
Carter is frequently called "The Father of Modern Islamic Terrorism". There's a reason why Hamas likes the guy.
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>>11279387

cont...

Jackson:cons: Hated Indians and Mexicans. Jackass and womanizer.
pros: Another GARchetype

ITT: /a/=/n/
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>>11279270
He consitantly ranks around the 10th best president, he did what he said he would do.
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>>11279359
Oil. Economy. Inflation.

More than that though, he allowed the Shaw to be overthrown, firmly establishing Iran as an enemy of the US, which the US countered by getting cozy with Iraq.
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>>11279415
>Because it was an implicit standard set by Washington and no president since ever ran for a third term?
FDR would like a word with you.
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The world is tsundere for America.
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>>11279377
Hello, retard.
Meet mister city at sea.
Each one of them carries an air force larger in number and more technologically capable than most air forces on the planet.
We have more than ten of them.
They are protected by fleets designed to take down anything that might even be somewhat hostile that gets within 100 miles of them.
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>>11279425
James Madison was known for being short, shy, and soft-spoken.
Yet, when the flawed Articles on Confederation failed, he persevered to have his ideas heard. Today, he's called the "Father of the Constitution".

If history were an anime, Madison would be the guy who's disgustingly wimpy in episode one, and then a season later he's suddenly hot-blooded and gar.
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>>11279487
>Each one of them carries an air force larger in number and more technologically capable than most air forces on the planet.
uhh...
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>>11279378
Britain. Canada didn't exist yet.
Arguably, it still doesn't.
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>>11279487
Finally an anon who realizes that America's world-dominating power is the Navy. Yeah, that whole ancient warfare thing where they fought with boats.
Easy to take out military installations. Hard to take out military installations that constantly move!
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>>11279387
Notice how the only thing he did wrong comes from bitching about his BJ? If your wife was Hillary you'd do the same thing.
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>>11279472
The first 3 are just as bad if not worse under Bush. The last should be blamed on US involvement in Iran in the first place back in the 50's, you can't blame that on Carter. If the US just stopped fucking around with other countries this shit wouldn't come and bite us back in the ass.
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>>11279485
Lol @ EAST ASIAN POLITICS

Everybody hates everybody.

No exceptions.
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>>11279425
Jefferson let Napoleon land a major expeditionary force in the West Indies and turn a promising example for black government into a whitey-hating genocidal state because he was HARD GAY for France, and if the French had managed to maintain their foothold would have potentially destroyed America as well. Oh, and he also destroyed the economy through his stupid tariffs as a farewell gift.

At least didn't take the Barbary Pirates lying down.
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>>11279377
Meet mr. Abrams.
Consistently ranked the best tank in the world, and second best for it's time, right below the legendary T-34.
Uranium tipped shells. Thick as hell armor. No shortage of them.
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>>11279525
Not the same anonymouse but. . .
Of the 140+ members of the United Nations, only about a dozen or so have airforces larger than an US aircraft carrier's compliment of aircraft.
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>>11279476
>>>Because it was an implicit standard set by Washington and no president since ever ran for a third term?
>>FDR would like a word with you.

>>>>Good thing his cousin didn't care

Oh.
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>>11279377
And lastly, meet the silent killer.
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>>11279562
>If the US just stopped fucking around with other countries this shit wouldn't come and bite us back in the ass.
Of all the ethnocentric delusions. By the same logic, if Poland hadn't messed with Germany we would have never had WWII?
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Calvin Coolidge = Greatest president


President Calvin Coolidge and his wife allegedly visited a poultry farm one day. During the tour, Mrs. Coolidge inquired of the farmer how his farm managed to produce so many fertile eggs with such a small number of roosters. The farmer proudly explained that his roosters performed their duty dozens of times each day.

"Perhaps you could point that out to Mr. Coolidge," replied the First Lady in a pointedly loud voice.

The President, overhearing the remark, asked the farmer, "Does each rooster service the same hen each time?"

"No," replied the farmer, "there are many hens for each rooster."

"Perhaps you could point that out to Mrs. Coolidge," replied the President.
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In a duel, neither party is allowed to move until both shots have been fired, one from each person.

So Jackson and Charles Dickinson agree to a duel, right? And Dickinson shoots first, and hits Jackson, right above the heart. He'll carry that bullet for the rest of his life.
That would be the end of it, usually. But instead of calling for a doctor, Jackson just stands there, carefully aims, and--
Dickinson dies, of course.
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The American Revolution was illegal, unnecessary, and immoral. Every revolution leads to civil war-the French Revolution did, ours did. Its is because, once the established order is overthrown, the revolutionaries become divided by ideological differences, and resort to violence, the only law that remains once legitimate authority is overturned.
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>>11279604
More like, if the French hadn't royally fucked the Germans, we wouldn't have had World War II.
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>>11279588
Sorry, came into the discussion late. Syntax error due to not backtracing the thread to see who he was referring to when he said "Washington . . . his cousin".
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>>11279604
That's not the point, asshat. America needs to be like Switzerland and be neutral. There is a reason we called it the NEw World when we left England, that place is a clusterfuck and it's worst in the crotch area known as the middle east.
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>>11279612
ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!
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>>11279612
There is no such thing as a legal rebellion.
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>>11279647
It's called a secession and you can make a strong legal argument for why the South had the right to withdrawal from the Union.
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>>11279624
Oh, so we can't factor in the incredible inflation caused by WWI, but we'll blame the French?
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>>11279532
The United States need to simply disband the Regular Army. Any infantry that want to can join the Marines. Hard to imagine running Nam or Iraq as bad as it was with a Marine-sized standing army.
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>>11279562

I'm not sure how Bush is relevant, unless you somehow think I'm defending Bush or comparing him to Carter. But, no. The economy under Carter was far worse than it is now, though the economy is going to get worse before it gets better, so it may end up being worse in the long run.

As for you assertion that meddling in the affairs of other countries is what gets the US into trouble, that is sometimes true. On the other hand, it's often that meddling that keeps the US out of trouble, and the US doesn't exactly have a choice, as a great deal of US investments are overseas, and the country would fall if those investments aren't protected.
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>>11279604
SADDAM
OSAMA
FIDEL
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I bet France regrets winning the American Revolution for us now.
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>>11279632
Neutrality and isolationism are great if they can be entered gracefully. But as is, we need foreign resources to support piggy's eating habits.
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>>11279562
Carter is pretty much the reason the situation is as it is in the Middle East today. He let Iranian Revolutionaries roll over him back in the day. The economy is much better than it was under Carter and we don't have fuel lines or rationing.

The only thing Carter got right was that getting energy independence was the moral equal of war but it was a war he was not up to starting, leading or, fighting.
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>>11279632
too bad this whole shitfest started when we were minding our own business hanging out with israel and then suddenly PLANES
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>>11279675
Trade is not affected by political neutrality.
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>>11279632
>America needs to be like Switzerland and be neutral.
Facepalm.png
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>>11279662
You mean the inflation caused by the Germans having to pay for the war, because of the French?
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>>11279556
>>Meet mr. Abrams.

Hello mr. Abrams
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>>11279681
You can make an idealogical argument for it based on the Declaration, which has no power.
Legal argument? It's treason, according to the Constitution, which has all the power.
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>>11279674

Well, I'm sure the neonazis in France are pretty pissed about the US making Germany lose the war.
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>>11279662
we'll blame the Belgians too, they did help occupy the Ruhr after all...
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>>11279663
That's a horrible idea. What the US needs to do is increase the military budget to the average it's been over the last century.

What many people don't realize when they look at how much we spend on the military is that military spending right now is at a historic low. At the very least we should reverse the Clinton cuts. To bad right now if we did all the money would go to this pointless war. We need to GTFO as soon as anything resembling stability can be achieved and rebuild the military.
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>>11279663
As effective as the Marines are, they do not like, and generally are not any good at, holding territory. The Marine corps are specialized like the Air Force and the Navy. That's why we still have an army.
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>>11279701
>You mean the inflation caused by the Germans having to pay for the war, because of the French?
Your idiotic one-tracked mind is not worth dignifying with an educated answer. So . . .

Idort!
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>>11279666
>666

Why the irony in the post?
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>>11279693
Bush left out the part on why we had PLANES.
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>>11279556
Hallo. Ich bin ein Leopard. Du darfst meine balls sucken.
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>>11279632
America also needs to be like Switzerland and decentralize the Federal government, introduce universal male conscription and restore authority to the states.

Being surrounded by mountains and being 15,000 square miles in size wouldn't hurt, either.
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>>11279729
kind of ironic that another legal document says that people have the duty to stand up to tyrannical governments or whatever
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>>11279693
Done by the JEWS.
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>>11279747
>747

umm...
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>>11279666
Fidel has done nothing particularly evil in any of his time as dictator.
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>>11279741

As a recently retired Marine, I completaly agree. Marines take territory, Army holds it.
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>>11279757
Our lifestyle is unsustainable anyway, it's going to end sooner or later. Want to land on your feet or on your head?
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>>11279779

Is that a joke?
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>>11279592
Focusing is a bitch for those and they are likely never going to happen

A KEW is more likely, think of a metal telephone pole dropped from space. Cheaper, easier to maintain, able to be produced easily with contemporary technology
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>>11279760
The Leopard II is more on-par with the Abrahms but it doesn't really compete until the fourth revision and even then only in advantageous situations, i.e. only when the Leopard II isn't dragging its balls in the sand.
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So, now that you all had fun raging about something like this...
Do you realize, that most people in other countries don't give a shit about politics in the US (or any other country, they're not directly involved with)? If you'd ask those people about US-presidents, they'll most likely will know those, that are most present in the media.
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Hey, what about that president that single handedly saved the world in his awesome giant metal wolf mecha robot thing?

How come he doesn't make the list of greatest presidents?
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>>11279779
But he's a Communist, and according to the government that means he is the equivalent of Satan. Hence why we have made efforts to stop trade with Cuba, worldwide. We wouldn't of had to deal with him if we hadn't made him.
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>>11279817
That was just a game...sadly.
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>>11279739
FUCK YEAH, LET'S START THE COLD WAR BACK UP AGAIN!
Because that's the only reason military spending has been significant at all since 1947.

Having a gigantic stick like a National Army only creates the natural urge to use it. There should be no reason, except in a prolonged state of national emergency, which the Civil War and Cold War were, to maintain a massive standing army.

Having a force like the Marines as the backbone of the infantry would make government more circumspect about using it, eh?
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>>11279807

Yeah, and?

If they don't care I don't blame them. But they don't have to read this thread.
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>>11279729
"The question fairly stated is, Has the Constitution delegated to Congress the power to coerce a State into submission which is attempting to withdraw or has actually withdrawn from the Confederacy? If answered in the affirmative, it must be on the principle that the power has been conferred upon Congress to declare and to make war against a State. After much serious reflection I have arrived at the conclusion that no such power has been delegated to Congress or to any other department of the Federal Government. It is manifest upon an inspection of the Constitution that this is not among the specific and enumerated powers granted to Congress, and it is equally apparent that its exercise is not " necessary and proper for carrying into execution " any one of these powers. So far from this power having been delegated to Congress, it was expressly refused by the Convention which framed the Constitution."
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>>11279849
South sucks. Abe agreed. Don't bother him about it.
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>>11279799
I'm not talking about firing lasers or any sci fi shit like that. I'm talking about how satellites are basically our source of military intelligence and weapons guidance on which our entire military infrastructure relies.
It's the reason we consider skirmishes in which 20 of our guys die and take out 1000 of theirs "losses."
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>>11279893
Warbonds.
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>>11279739
Our money is worth shit now, we have 20% of the child population in the US in poverty and the government brings drugs into the US. The last thing we need to do is give bigger guns to hold against our heads.
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>>11279905
I would advise against giving away any more CIA secrets.
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>>11279893
With the power of drills.
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Oh god, /a/

Why must you fail so?

/r/ cirno hijack till autosage

or any other hijack
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>>11279917
Will you wind?
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>>11279844
who cares about this thread? I was refering to OP's pic and the anime it is from, which most likely is not made for those 200 Americans, that will watch something like this and actually know about their own history.
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>>11279954
Considering the size of anime market in America, not including games and manga, I would have to disagree. I don't think the Japanese care much about historical accuracy in their entertainment medium unless it is dealing with Japan's history.
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No love for Ronald Reagan these days :(
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>>11279975
He was a goddamn cocksucker from hell.

There I said it.
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>>11279865

Perhaps. On the other hand though, having a strong military can be cause for other countries or, more likely today, groups or organizations to think twice before attacking the US or US investments overseas.

Iraq is a good example. We're wasting to much time and money there now precisely because the military is too small. In fact, there were more US troops in the middle east during the first Gulf War than there are now. This is despite the fact that the US had a lot more international support for the first war. While a larger standing army would be more expensive while at peace, it would save billions if the military were ever needed, which looks increasingly likely in the future.
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>>11279975
He didn't die like Akagi did, not GAR enough for /a/.
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>>11279975
I doubt any Goldwater-style Republicans patronize such boards as 4chan.
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>>11279975
Reagan can choke on my dick. SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND!!!!
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What anime is OP pic from, /a/?
Too busy posting tanks and Carriers to ask.
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>>11279975

He was an alright president. He was just too liberal for the conservatives and too conservative for the liberals.
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>>11279987
Why do we need all these bullshit secret plans and shit in the first place? Other countries don't have any problem living peacefully.
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>>11280010
That means nothing, get that shit out of here.
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>>11280014
What? Every country has these. Hell we learn all this shit from the Brits.
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>>11280000
Himitsu, it's like they took the concept from a Philip K. Dick short story and focus more on the actual detective work of it than what happens if to your memories when you're dead and the privacy of your own mind. But they might get around to that eventually, they've hinted at it atleast.
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>>11280000
Himitsu
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>>11279975
Reagan wasn't an especially bad President, he just wasn't an exceptionally active one. His policy seemed to be one that people are pushed along by events, don't dictate them, but that he could influence it a bit by giving it a shove in the right direction.

It's a good philosophy for a President, who needs to be accountable not only to the populace but to Congress and the CONSTITUTION. Maybe if the Cold War hadn't happened he would have been more favorably remembered - or forgotten, who knows. Who remembers Grover Cleveland?
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American politicians and leaders suck. They never get anything done.
You want to know a leader who got shit done?
Joseph Stalin.
He industrialized a massive country with multiple nationalities and unforgiving terrain after a bloody civil war spawned from a bloodier world war.
He did it in time to survive the German invasion.
And then he went on to crush the political ideology that caused the above invasion.
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>>11279970
You're certainly right there. But the US are not the only country with a large growing anime-fanbase and not only the Japs don't give a shit about history, that is not directly relevant for them, 'cause most of it, is just plain borring for normal people. And it's no difference the other way and there are many american productions, that are plainly wrong about historical facts, 'cause you guys don't care much about other countries' history either.
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>>11280014

What? What other countries are living peacefully? The ones with US military bases in them? Don't give me that US evil world good bullshit. The only difference between the US and almost every other country is scale.
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>>11280074

And he set them on the path to inevitable failure.
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>>11280074
Then died in a pool of his own piss.
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>>11280057
I will definitely be checking this out.
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>>11279982
I giggled.
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>>11279532
Most Empires in history had a dominating navy as their key force.
Britain, Spain, Vikings, Rome, Greece, US, USSR, Persia, etc.
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>>11280068
If he actually did that I'd like him but he let things take their course by SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND and hoping that helps. He also dicked about with other countries too much.

You want an actual president who does laissez-faire right? You gotts start keeping it cool with Cal.
>>11279607
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>>11280074
Because a dictatorship is infinitely more effective form of government than a democracy to "get things done". The problem is there are few if any safegaurds that the things that "get things done" include are not detrimental to the state and/or population in general. As Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."
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>>11280074
Bad example. He created only chaos. Tsars like Catherine or Peter the Great would be better.
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>>11280105
The people in his cabinet were too afraid to move him when he collapsed.
They feared he would execute them for saving him too slowly.
They left his corpse there for weeks.
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>>11280166
Not chaos, order.
And he defeated the Nazis. That has to count for something.
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>>11280162
Too bad strait democracy chokes on a dick. Democratic Federal Republic, if you do it right you can't go wrong.
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>>11280198
>If you do it right, you can't do wrong.
People die if they are killed.
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>>11280074
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpKRd2xQeq8
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>>11280195
>And he defeated the Nazis.
No, that was the Russian winter, not Stalin.
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>>11280198

True enough, though I think most people count democratic republics under the general heading of democracy. Off the top of my head, I can't even think of a straight democratic country.
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>>11280195
Bah! Hitler's own bad decisions did more to defeat the Nazis than Stalin.
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>>11280226

In Russia, even the weather obeys Stalin.
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>>11279607
Best President Ever, holy shit.
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>>11280198

Fuck democracy, socialism, and dictatorships. Feudal monarchy forever!
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>>11280272

Hear ye! Hear ye! Verily my lord speaketh the truth.
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Capitalist pigs.

GTFO
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>>11280298

I hate capitalism, but not as much as communism. Fuck you commies!
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>>11279987
There isn't anything WRONG with the Army in Iraq. It's doing a splendiferous job with a fifth the troops of Vietnam and a casualty rate of something like a twentieth when it actually gets the chance to do its job, rather than play policeman in some slum in Anbar.

The problem is that they're doing the wrong job to begin with. They shouldn't be playing policeman, this shit should have been worked out before the war but wasn't because of the mass delusion on the part of the entire nation, based on fifty years of World War II and Cold War propaganda, that all that needed to be done was tip over Saddam and Freedom and Democracy would magically spring forth from the earth through the power of SCIENCE.

The Nation has become locked in the notion that the only path to deterrance is through direct force. This is absurd. Diplomacy has been overlooked because of superior firepower, but firepower still requires bullets. If you fight that way, your enemies will take note and drag you down into a war of attrition where no matter how many bullets you fire, you still need *more*, and then your country is reduced to finding ever larger amounts of bullets until the entire country is reduced to a garrison state.
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Stalin's ghost appears to Putin in a dream, and Putin asks for his help running the country. Stalin says, "Round up and shoot all the democrats, and then paint the inside of the Kremlin blue." "Why blue?" Putin asks. "Ha!" says Stalin. "I knew you wouldn't ask me about the first part."
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Stalin reads his report to the Party Congress. Suddenly someone sneezes. "Who sneezed?" (Silence.) "First row! On your feet! Shoot them!" (Applause.) "Who sneezed?" (Silence.) "Second row! On your feet! Shoot them!" (Long, loud applause.) "Who sneezed?" (Silence.) ...A dejected voice in the back: "It was me" (Sobs.) Stalin leans forward: "Bless you, comrade!"
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>>11280316
>Diplomacy has been overlooked because George W. Bush is an idiot.
Fixed
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During the famine of the civil war, a delegation of starving peasants comes to the Smolny, wishing to file a petition. "We have even started eating the grass like horses," says one peasant. "Soon we will start neighing like horses!" "Come on! Don't worry!" says Lenin reassuringly. "We are drinking tea with honey here, and we are not buzzing like bees, are we?"
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KARL MARX WAS RIGHT ABOUT CAPITALISM
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/a/ is the new /n/
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>>11280226
>>No, that was BAH, KILL ALL THE SLAV SHIT, EVEN THE UKRANIANS WHO HATE STALIN, I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH THEY HATE ME, WE CAN RULE OVER A NATION OF 150 MILLION WITH AN ARMY OF FIVE BECAUSE WE ARE THE MASTER RACE AND THEY WILL OBEY US BECAUSE EVEN PEASANT RUSSIAN FUCKS ARE SMART ENOUGH TO RECOGNIZE STELLAR ARYAN EXAMPLES OF MASCULITY
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>>11280389
I'm sorry, the correct answer is Adam Smith was right about economics.
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>>11280389

Nope. Still have it. Workers haven't rebelled. All communist revolts have been lead by intellectuals directing the masses.
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>>11280410
Ifr this was /n/ there's atleast 50 mentions of the word nigger and as it stand now, this is the first one.
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>>11280427
You're a luser, nobody likes you.
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>>11280316

Certainly the military is suffering under the piss poor planning of politicians, and despite the ZOMG!!1 news they're doing a remarkable job under the circumstances.

But they're simply spread too thin, due to insufficient numbers. As the "surge" demonstrated, more troops can improve security. That isn't even getting into the other thing more troops could be doing right now, like Darfur.

The military first mindset is a problem, but I see it more as an executive issue. I'm not particularly fond of Clinton, in part because of what he did to the military, but he was an excellent politician. Bush, on the other hand, is probably about as bad as a president could be when it comes to foreign relations.
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>>11280427
Fuck Wealth of Nations, just because his book is longer doesn't mean his book is better.
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>>11280495
Yeah! I say the same thing about the Bible and "On the Origin of of Species".
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Everything the communists said about communism was a lie. Unfortunately, everything they said about capitalism is true.
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>>11279927
I am starting to suspect you are an asshole.
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>>11280495
You're absolutly right, good thing I wasn't judging the book based soley on it's size and have actually read its contents.
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>>11280560

Capitalism and Communism suck! Long live the Guild system!
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>>11280469
THe surge didn't accomplish dick all. They just changed the definition of casualties and called it a day.
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I always rage when someone says that we would have won Vietnam if the politicians just let the troops do thier jobs. Since when have politics and military been seperate? Since when was the military and independent entity and not just the arm of policy?
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>>11280731
>>11280311
>>11280272

Yes, all same person. As is this post.

I'm feeling sad that no one's argued with me. So ronry.
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>>11280762
The head of the military is a civilian for a reason.
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I can't believe I read this entire thread...
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>>11280731
Fuck you, I'm reinstalling the Eunuch system.

Anybody who wants political power can join me but I have to ask you guys to cut off your balls first.



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