My Kyonko folder is almost as big as my Yuki folder now, should I be worried?
Yes. As a circumstance of authenticity, yes she does possess an agglomeration of illustrations on the celestial body you know as the moon. We could bring it down for you if you want.
We shall see about that. After all, you remain Spirals even in that universe. Perhaps it is optimum that we extend our authority, our guidance, to additional prospects and demonstrate to you that you harbor no such dominion.
>>Yes. As a circumstance of authenticity, yes she does possess an agglomeration of illustrations on the celestial body you know as the moon. We could bring it down for you if you want.
It's coming soon, and so am I, just thinking about it.
ITT Geass Season 2 Speculation and Theory.
Some important facts to know:
Lulu failed the Elevens, and because he's a faggot, got Area 11 demoted to complete martial law. Meaning, much worse conditions than before.
Suzaku and the Emperor get along well, apparently. I figured they would, because Suzaku is simply put the best soldier, and the Emperor puts great emphasis on strength.
My theory? Lelouch will get to the very end, kill Schnitzel, the first prince, and then the Emperor, but the emperor will kill him at the same time. Then Rolo, who stuck by Lulu for this very purpose, will kill everyone else in the royal family as the main threats are gone, rule, and turn Britainia FABULOUS.
...But only for a short while, after which Dark Nunnaly awakens, mind-controls Suzaku to kill Rolo, and then Nunnaly rules Britainia with Suzaku as her champion and sex slave.
Feel free to add your own speculations.
Too busy fapping to Cornelia to speculate.
Cornelia you say?
Well, let's have it then. Moon-sauce is dangerously cheesy.
FAP FAP FAP
Lelouche is too popular to ever kill off. I guarantee it
oh god op's pic is so hot.
Light was popular. Doesn't mean a thing. Geass is one of those stories with the main character who has to go through the redemption by death. This is a tradition thousands of years old. Technically speaking, the only way Lulu can ever achieve anything is to die.
Lockon may have been popular but at the end of the day he was still a side character. Lelouch is the freaking Geass user there is no way he would die off he is the main character.
Having a character like Suzuka around guarantees that Lelouche can die. The entire series was founded on the idea of having a breakneck, no holds-barred plot, so they can easily do anything they want.
Remember that Orange has died twice within the first season alone.
I know. If I had a printer, I'd fucking print that picture and fuck it. Hell, I don't even know what character that is or which show she's from, I just had to comment because I saw your post.
Luluche will get to fuck CC at last.
Kallen will be raped by Susaku.
It will happen and you know it.
well Lockon was popular but Lelouche is like number 1 ranked 3 times nows. so a studio like sunrise which is all about lol popularity would never kill him off. and EVEN if they did code geass has immorality haxx in it so they'd probably invoke that in some way
>Lelouche is like number 1 ranked 16 fucking times now
DAMN YOUR FABULOUS HAIR LAMPEROUGE! DAMN IT TO HELL!
Sign...More teen Cornelia, then?
The world will end when C.C. drops a colony on earth.
You missed the GL thread.
Thats what they want you to think.
/a/ doesn't need tripfags coming into perfectly good threads and contributing nothing but lip service to /a/'s elitist sect that practically are /v/spawn.
Shitstorm anonymous. Shitstorm.
it's over. the next 6 months of /a/ are finished.
>>10287093 Light was popular.
Key difference, Light was also an evil douchebag, Lelouch is not.
but this is sandstorm
apparently Suzaku decided to take the job instead.
Hey OP, look here!
LELOUCH KILLS THE EMPEROR
SUZAKU KILLS LELOUCH UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF MARIANNE (after sleeping with her)
SCHNEIZEL BECOMES EMPEROR
SUZAKU BECOMES KNIGHT OF ONE
SUZAKU MARRIES NUNNALLY
NUNNALLY KILLS SUZAKU
NUNNALLY KILLS SCHNIEZEL
NUNNALLY BECOMES EMPEROR
I assume all of you faggots have read the summary of episode 1? Shit sounds great.
They won't kill him unless this is the last season of CG.
Dark Nunnally doesn't exist.
Are you an idiot?
can't wait for Diethard to do it instead of the bluehaired guy.
neither does "Suzaku suceeds at anything in life"
Green Lantern? This is no /co/.
You must've forgotten the part where he becomes the first Number to ever be knighted as well as become the head of Special Envoy, now known as Camelot.
Durr, telling people that a saint like Euphemia, who is the only person who cares about Nunnaly as much as Lulu or Suzaku and who sacrificed everything she had for this fag's little sis, is an evil plotting bitch who is a symbol of Britainia when HE MADE HER THAT WAY? Man, Lulu is as bad as they come. And remember the name of the first episode, "The day the Evil God was Born."
He succeeds at spoiling Lelouch's plans of that's any consolation.
Dude, he does sound like a douchebag when you put that way.
>...But only for a short while, after which Dark Nunnaly awakens, mind-controls Suzaku to kill Rolo, and then Nunnaly rules Britainia with Suzaku as her champion and sex slave.
I shouldn't have had a hard-on for this, but I did.
Lelouche is a dick at times but he's not truely evil. he WAS going to accept Euphie's plan to reform japan. hence why the writes did the LOL ACCIDENTAL GEASS: if he had done it on purpose then the audience would hate him for being an evil bastard, when the show obviously wants you to show sympathy to lulu
I hope that traitors fucking piece of dog shit suzuka gets what he deserves for turning his back on his people, country, and murdered his own father in cold blood. This guy is the true villain in this series.
He was going to join with her, but then he didn't make her that way, his Geass did against his will.
He just made the best of the situation. Quite frankly, if he hadn't made her out to be a monster, then things would have been much worse.
You forgot that Lelouch is also a traitor to his country.
What the hell did I do?
ends vs. means.
Tell the truth and watch the last chance at Euphie's dream of a free Japan crushed (and to give you an idea of what crushed means, see what happened to the fucking place since season 1), or lie, protray her as a monster, and have a shot at bringing her dream and the dream of a lot of people who aren't dead to reality?
Even if Euphie will hate him for it, it's the only thing Lelouch could still do for her.
I lol'd, since that is also Lelouch, but he hasn't killed his father yet.
Not really. Area 11 has it much worse now than it was, due to Lelouch pulling out and letting Japan lose. And I don't care, there's nothing heroic or even remotely sympathetic about killing and slandering your greatest self-sacrificing benefactor.
Euphie comes back and sexes Lulu. Suzaku and Nina go batshit and blow the whole world up with superpowered atomic weapons.
but meanwhile japan has turned into THUNDERDOME.
That's because of Lelouch's idiotic rebellion without proper failsafes.
well what the fuck would you have had him do?
It's no heroic. It's not "right" by any means. But completely unsympathetic? are you crazy?
well what the fuck would you have had him do?
It's not heroic. It's not "right" by any means. But completely unsympathetic? are you crazy?
lulu knows the true way.
Life's a bitch. Kick it's ass.
We weren't talking about Lelouch here, we were talking about how Suzaku's life is full of failures and emptiness.
And how fucking awesome he has become thanks to it.
>Euphie comes back and sexes Lulu.
That would be awesome. Add Nunnally for more win.
Hey guys!! ARE THEY CANON YET?!
Nobody said he's sympathetic. But don't make him out to be evil. He was all for her plan and even tried stopping her peacefully after he realized what happened. The only choices he had were to stop her (11s get in deep shit) or let her murder as many as she can (11s in deep shit).
Trying to explain "lol, it was a mistake" is a retarded thing to think is feasible.
>>10288285 Nobody said he's sympathetic.
Well... see >>10288203 But completely unsympathetic? are you crazy?
Too bad both of them would rather have sex with Suzaku than Lelouch now.
You act like Lelouch was having a cackling about framing Euphie as a monster.
He was enraged that he'd lost control of the Geass, and was crying at having to order Euphie hunted down and killed.
You're also trying to paint him as evil based on one (easily refuted) incident, and ignoring all his other actions across the show. He's constantly put himself or his plans in danger or taken the not-easy choice to protect what he cared about, and also constantly thrust guilt upon himself over the things he's doing.
To try to seriously compare him with Light, who was a self absorbed megalomaniac, is absurd.
And that is the problem, Light worked because Light had no trouble in being "evil" ... of course Light would have to die at the end but they way they are doing Lulu he goes from being a "evil bastard" to "I want daddy attention" (remember the final episodes, the ones he said he could not care less about the whole thing since he only wanted to face his father) as Suzu actually gets tougher as the series goes until he understandable snaps at the final episodes were he just does not care anymore.
Were you watching the same show?
>"I want daddy attention"
I lol'd when he said those lines.
If you ask me, Lulu's decent is just slower than Light's, but not in any means will be less potent in the end. And you can't say signs are not present that he is slipping into the Lighto mindset. He already has no respect for life he knows nothing about, as proven in the first episode. And he has no respect for family alone, by his shooting Clovis. There really isn't much farther to go for him.
the fact that he cried over it or felt guilty isn't really worth shit. If you murder someone, you're a murderer; even if you regret it later, the victim's not any less dead.
wouldnt be nice if him and cc won? you all ASSUME he has to lose, just like light.
if he won would you be mad or would we find /a/ spamming pictures of him pissing on makoto and laughing?
>remember the final episodes, the ones he said he could not care less about the whole thing since he only wanted to face his father
that's not what he said.
in a show in which everyone and their mother is a murderer, it suddenly means a hell of a lot more.
No. Lelouch winning won't be nice.
Having a pragmatic emperor like Schneizel ascend the throne would do much better for equality and order than the chaos that Lelouch has planned for the world.
Lelouch already failed falling into Lights mindset at the end of 25.
once Suzaku shot off the Zero mask, he just couldn't help but going straight back into saying shit that made his friends feel better but put him at a massive disadvantage.
tell that to the victims.
too bad Schniezel can never hope to beat a guy with psychic shotas like his father.
what? he was only making excuses at that time to be able to escape from Suzaku's gunpoint.
>>10288521 And you can't say signs are not present that he is slipping into the Lighto mindset.
What? I most certainly can.
they're dead, who gives a fuck what they think?
Hope this season has 1000% more Wakamoto.
It's manslaughter, not murder. Lack of intent.
That's what you think. Remember, this man's got more brains and political ability than the rest of his siblings combined.
I'm talking about 'murder you regret later,' not 'accidentally killing someone.'
And yet he *didn't* try to explain how it was an accident.
He lied about Euphemia killing the Japanese with bloodlust to the entire world.
What makes you think Suzaku will even believe him?
"I'm Zero. I've been using you. I've been lying to you. I'm going to conquer the world. You're just a soldier, I'm the evil one, so go ahead blame me. It's my fault."
If he had just wanted Suzaku dead, he would have continued doing what he did before he lost the mask: "Kallen, Suzaku is going to destroy the entire rebellion starting with me and working his way down if we let him out of here. shoot him."
There's a reason why Suzaku kept on saying Lelouch would keep on betraying everyone until the very end.
He couldn't trust Lelouch anymore.
face it, he's just a laughable stepping stone in the end.
>If he had just wanted Suzaku dead, he would have continued doing what he did before he lost the mask: "Kallen, Suzaku is going to destroy the entire rebellion starting with me and working his way down if we let him out of here. shoot him."
Suzaku sensed Kallen first. And he already pointed his gun at Lulu.
After having seen firsthand the shit physics defying crap Suzaku could do firsthand, even Kallen knows that one false move will get Zero shot dead on the spot.
Hell, she couldn't do shit while Suzaku shot a bullet at Lulu's helmet.
lol, I have a hand-painted picture of Kallen's trigger finger being faster than a machine with a .01 sec delay.
>"I'm Zero. I've been using you. I've been lying to you. I'm going to conquer the world.
This part is correct.
>You're just a soldier, I'm the evil one, so go ahead blame me. It's my fault."
Unless my Japanese is way off, you are fucking wrong here.
Hey, if he was really looking for excuses like the other poster claimed...
He didn't say that till later, so Lelouch wouldn't have known his level of unreasonableness yet.
Lulu cares first and foremost about his sister's wellbeing, and secondly about avenging his mother. Thirdly C.C.
Suzaku was a coward and the direct cause to Japan going out with a whimper. Now he's working with the very nation that defeated Japan to quell the countries best bet at freedom. Unless his "working within the system" bullshit includes giving an absurd amount of blowjobs to the Emperor, there's not much he can do for Japan except make things worse.
I wouldn't put giving blowjobs to the Emperor below him, though.
Would be nice if that were true. Unfortunately, it's not.
Were you watching the same show?
I think Suzaku is a douche simply because since the very first episode he should know the Brittanians are committing acts of genocide. They even tried to murder him.
But lol, apparently that's all okay.
Lulu cares most about his own hide and making himself look good. You are an idiot, tripfag.
you're missing the point: Lelouch didn't do what Light would have done whatsoever.
>there's not much he can do for Japan except make things worse.
No, peace would've allowed the Eleven economy to revive to pre-wartime levels. It's a known fact that Clovis wanted this to happen QUICKLY.
Stupid Elevens wanted death and freedom rather than reconstruction and riches instead as a member of the Empire.
Also, look at what rebellion brought Japan.
It only made Britannia increase it's presence until it eventually was put under oppressive martial law.
>Lulu cares first and foremost about his sister's well being, and secondly about his friends. And thirdly his subordinates
This is why he abandoned his chance to completely conquer Japan when he heard Nunnally was kidnapped.
If the only thing he cared about was himself and makign himself look good, he would not have abandoned the battle to go save Nanully, letting everything he worked go down the shitter and putting himself in danger. Call me an idiot if you want to, but it's clear as day that you're incorrect.
Enjoy your War of the Three Powers Japan!
Even Lelouch concluded that if it weren't for Suzaku, Japan would be a wasteland of dead Japs being fought over by the three powers of the world.
It was mercy, he put her out of her misery, he didn’t have a choice and he did it for her not for his plans if you can’t see that you are blind or a retard
that's why he constantly goes out onto the front lines in a mass produced piece of shit, why he tells kallen to go after Cornelia and leave him in 11, why he goes after a psychotic killer like Mao in 15 to save someone he barely even likes, why he doesn't even pull a gun out on Suzaku until the ass threatens to take his sister in 25, why willingly agrees Euphie's SADJ in 22, why he only wipes shirley's memories instead of killing her in 14, blah blah blah.
No, Suzaku never knew those orders. The only orders he had was to retrieve the top secret gas which turned out into a girl.
When he was ordered to kill Lelouch, he declined because he was a civilian. Got shot for being a moralfag.
>Stupid Elevens wanted death and freedom rather than reconstruction and riches instead as a member of the Empire.
Considering the general mindset of Brittania, it 's not like the Elevens would ever partake of any of those riches any time soon.
not to mention a lot less 11s died that way.
oh, and it wasn't anyone but him to take the blame for killing her ("kallen, I'll do it")
>>10289076 Lulu cares most about his own hide and making himself look good. You are an idiot, tripfag.
Yes, clearly. That's why he barely hesitated to throw away his entire rebellion.
Well, it occurs to me he could've captured her and locked her up till the Geass wore off... (Assuming it *has* a time limit; That wall-scratching girl was still going at it, last we saw.)
But they WOULD get them. Of course the victors of the war get first dibs on the spoils. But stabilization of the Eleven economy to the point that they were as rich as when the war began, you can't expect any better deal than that from the country that conquered you.
oh blame it on the guys who tried to get you your civil rights back, not the ones burning you alive for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Lol, it isn't even about Nunnaly anymore. Lelouch just hungers to keep his motives clean in his own eyes. Nunnaly for him is the difference between him and his father, and that is the sigular truth of why Lulu cares so much.
what part of "slave labor" don't you understand?
I see the shitty ending to this piece of crap.
>not the ones burning you alive for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Oh shit, I just remembered Narita, and the ghettos. I wonder who attracted the Britannians to fight in those areas....?
Oh right, those "civil rights activists".
And Lelouch got those civilians killed in Narita on his own, not by virtue of Britannia's small arms fire.
Probably. They're just Elevens, so no real loss.
But I jest, even if Clovis had improved Area 11's economy, the Japanese would still be Elevens, and they would still resent Brittania. Second class citizens of a wealthy territory are still second class citizens.
If Nanully hadn't been kidnapped and Lulu forced to abandon the battle, Japan would very likely have won and pushed Brittania out of the country in a tactical retreat or something along those lines. Suzaku was once again the cause of Japan's downfall.
>>Lulu cares first and foremost about his sister's wellbeing,
Or just uses her as a convenient excuse to himself.
>>and secondly about avenging his mother.
Well that was the original motivation, we start to question if its not about "Daddy" issues.
... Right, lets ignore its a OBVIOUS pairing for then to feed to the audience.
>>Suzaku was a coward and the direct cause to Japan going out with a whimper.
Oh? Suzaku did not caused Japan to "go out with a whimper", the war was lost ... what his father wanted was a senseless killing in the name of "Japanese honor".
That slave labor only happened because of Lelouch's fucking up of his revolt.
why did he abaddon the rebellion for Nunnally then?
Suzaku's the guy who just wanted self justification, since Britannia was massacring innocent 11s all around him while he was going "I'm going to make their lives better". But when shit went to hell, Lelouch chose Nunnally over everything else. So yeah, it is about Nunnally. It's ALWAYS going to be about Nunally.
What part of FAILED REBELLION and REMEDIAL TERRITORY DOWNGRADE don't you get?
RICH second class citizens.
you're going to tell me the 13-17 year old bunnygirls revolted?
Yeah, but Suzaku said that he'll take care of Nunnally instead of Lelouch at the end because he was someone who can't be trusted anymore.
Why do you think Lelouch got angry?
Oh, I see, we're using the "I invent motives for the characters that the show doesn't support at all" line of reasoning.
I think you're just grasping for reasons to dislike him more.
Look at Kallen. And that is called collective punishment. Inhumane, but it normally works. That's how the colonial powers did their shit way back when.
Japan is being punished as a whole for revolting. It serves as a lesson for future revolutionaries. Until you shape up, you'll only get more pain.
Don't you get it? Nunnaly is Lulu's alibi. haven't you noticed the cackling lelouch tends to loosen whenever things go his way? He gets personal gratification out of it. Nunnaly is the way Lulu differentiates himself from the Emperor, the one he thinks he hates with complete righteousness. Now, where would that righteous hate go if Nunnaly was gone?
lol, I love the changing it to Suzaku's motives tactic.
episode 26 motherfucker. "Hey guys, lets just kill everyone in this Britannian casino so no one will know we were the ones that started killing everone in this Britannian casino"
oh, and see what Cornelia did to that other ghetto.
Rich? We're simply not given enough information to quantify the situation (how the typical schools of the Elevens are like, what economic and social restrictions are present, etc.). However, being second-class citizens, they are at a severe disadvantage in terms of opportunities afforded to them, besides those given by sympathizers, if that's even legal.
Because she can be/is a excuse he uses to justifies his actions to himself, as long he is "going it for her" then its OK to pretty much throwing out the rest of his morals.
Ask yourself, what he does REALLY for the good of her? would she ever accept what he have done?
No, she is not "the end justify the means" ... he is really doing it for himself but seems to not want to fully accept the consequences to his actions so she is a excuse, losing her would mean he would have to deal with doing what he is doing NOT as a altruist action.
>Ask yourself, what he does REALLY for the good of her? would she ever accept what he have done?
Exactly. This is the heart of why Lelouch is a self justifying pig who is using Nunnaly for his own ends. Because Nunnaly would NEVER allow him to do this stuff in her name.
Hey, it works.
Britannians act from an efficient method and manner.
Also, Cornelia destroyed that ghetto to lure a man who may be a thorn in the side of the empire. That ghetto was also a proven hiding ground for rebels.
Efficient, 2 birds, 1 stone.
Same person working out their thoughts?
>>10289318 Oh? Suzaku did not caused Japan to "go out with a whimper", the war was lost ... what his father wanted was a senseless killing in the name of "Japanese honor".
I'll answer this because it was the only real point you had. Giving up is going out with a whimper. Suzaku cause Japan's surrender. You can make jest of "japanese honor" if you like, but a life without dignity isn't worth a whole lot. The Elevens wouldn't be so eager to rebel if it was. Japan wanted to fight to the end with dignity. Suzaku robbed the Japanese of that chance.
Well, I'm >>10289429 but not the other two.
Dude, there are already rich Elevens at the time, with Eleven companies as well. If the Eleven economy revives to prewar levels, they would still be rich, they only have to pay taxes to the Imperial coffers, like every good colony did back then.
If they're rich, they're rich. And there are Britannians who like getting greased with money, just like the Kyoto 6 Britannian sympathizers were.
Nope, just some people that share the same thought about Lulu motivations.
If it makes you feel better, what we say actually makes him a more complex and realistic character.
what does any of that have to do with what matters to Lelouch?
who cares about what happens when things go his way? It's when things don't go your way that you protect the things most important to you.
I mean is that seriously all you've fucking got? because he laughs? Why didn't he lose his temper with Suzaku in 25 till he said something about his sister? Why does omniscient narrator CC say that his first goal is to make the world a better place for his sister every other episode? Why was the last thing that flashed before his eyes when he thought he was going to be killed in episode 1 Nunnally? You're not going to explain it away as "self justification" without some concrete examples that go beyond Lelouch being a fucking idiot who laughs at completely random moments.
>but a life without dignity isn't worth a whole lot
Says you. A lot of people would just elect for peace. You remember that crying mother blaming Tamaki for getting the Britannians to massacre people in Shinjuku ghetto?
Those are the people Suzaku wanted to save.
I know that, but I was referring to the rest of the Eleven population. The wealthy aren't exactly representative of the typical Eleven.
That's why they wanted to raise the goddamn Eleven economy back to PREWAR levels QUICKLY. So that people would stop bitching about being poor. But those terrorists and rebels were slowing that down.
except its not a matter of "kneel and live, stand and die"
it's "kneel and die when I feel like it, stand and I'll feel like killing you a little sooner."
There's a gap in your logic there. Parents do stuff to their kids "for their own good" *against their wishes* all the time. Does that mean the parents' motives are selfish? NOOOOOOOO.
I agree that the economy's growth was slowed down by the "terrorists". However, I feel the faith that reviving the Eleven economy would benefit the general Eleven populace is unfounded. Would the benefits and wealth really "trickle down" to the normal Eleven under the current circumstances?
Look son, in the end nobody gives a shit about honor ... survivors will carry on and rebuild.
Also according to you, Japan should be a wasteland right now because YOU are advertising the same crap those bastards did back in WW II to prevent the Japanese surrender.
In short ... grow up, if you want to go "TOTAL WAR" then its fine with me but do not complain in the afterlife nobody remember about it 300 years after that happened.
No, it was a still a "kneel or die". Shinjuku was filled with insurgents. And they opted to bring a stolen "weapon" to that place. Had they opted to go to a fucking civilianless place, the wrath of the Britannian army would only have fallen on the terrorists and not the civilians.
In effect, it's the terrorists/rebels that got the civilians in trouble in the first place.
Besides, even Britannians are at the mercy of Britannian royals, not just the Elevens.
>>I wonder who attracted the Britannians to fight in those areas....?
Don't you mean "I wonder who attracted the Britannians to commit acts of genocide, murdering every single unarmed man, woman, and child they came across?"
We're not talking exaggerated genocide. Not even cultural genocide. We're talking wanton slaughter of scores of people whose only crime was being born.
Nunnaly is everything to Lulu, I won't doubt that. But why? Is it because he loves her and wants her wishes seen, or because she is his separation from the emperor, who he can say "My crimes are less criminal than yours because I have a reason." If it wasn't for Nunnaly and the justification which comes with her, most likely Lelouch would either be another Lighto or have committed suicide. Because she is his salvation.
Now, think about how Nunnaly would feel about the death of Clovis, Euphemia, ect. And now think about her opinion on him using her as the reason it's acceptable. ...hypocritical, isn't he? he's working for Nunnaly in your case, but by terrible means she would never accept.
>Besides, even Britannians are at the mercy of Britannian royals, not just the Elevens.
>at the mercy of Britannian royals
>at the mercy of
now what did I just say about die when I feel like it?
It's called the Eleven economy, NOT the Britannian economy. Prewar levels mean back to the same riches as what existed back then. Even Cornelia was surprised that Clovis did NOT dismantle the foundations of the Eleven economic leadership.
It was an all Eleven economy that only needed to pay taxes and labor to create the settlements. If they grew back to PREWAR levels, then the Britannians would only gain richer if the Elevens themselves became richer.
I would agree with you if they did replace the Kyoto 6 with Britannian companies, but they didn't.
But the royals never killed out of just pleasure. Even Cornelia, a racist, never killed out of pleasure but out of efficient military need and purpose.
Remember Genghis Khan?
And it's the Britannian royals that are the problem. Nobody's blaming the Britannian citizenry. The Britannian citizenry aren't the ones gleefully committing genocide because it's "efficient." The civilians weren't insurgents. THE CHILDREN WERE NOT INSURGENTS. They weren't murdered by indirect fire. It wasn't because of misinterpreted orders.
They were ordered to murder children. Children. How is the act of murdering children anyone but the people who ordered and carried it out's fault?
Killing children is not military need. It's not efficiency. It's wanton.
Well, the Britannians consider the orders of their lords as absolute, lest they get executed for treason.
To add, the Britannians were not out to waste any time because Clovis was under the danger of being kicked out of the royal family.
It was efficient to just level the entire ghetto than search house to house while the rebels leak out and escape. If the rebels didn't hide in the ghetto, behind women and children, shit like that wouldn't have happened.
Killing kids is the best way to cow the adults. Brutal, and brutally effective.
Sorry, child soldiers and female soldiers make your point moot. Of which Kallen is both.
>>10289732 he's working for Nunnaly in your case, but by terrible means she would never accept.
Lelouch would probably be the first to point that out.
On top of his constant heaping of guilty upon himself, remember originally he knew he would have to distance himself from Nunally and leave her in the care of Suzaku, the one person he knew cared about her as much as him.
The Suzaku being exposed as Lancelot's pilot crushed that plan.
Well, to continue my previous analogy, you sometimes hear how a person hates their dad for never being around when they were growing up, even though it was because he was out working to support the family. Now, even if the person never really forgives their dad, can you say the dad's motives were selfish? No.
And who's going to take care of those kids in the middle of the battlefield wherein Clovis had set a time limit?
Like Lelouch is willing to plunge the world in chaos to achieve his goals, Clovis was willing to eliminate a single ghetto to achieve his.
except...Lelouch has never said anything remotely like that. In fact, Lelouch has never thought of himself "moral" or "right" once during the entire show. Closest thing was the "allies of justice" speech, but he revealed that was complete bullshit at the beginning of the next episode.
again, you've got no examples, I see no reason to believe you.
as for what Nunnally would think? "Just as Planned".
Terror, motherfucker? Do you know how Genghis Khan and the Mongols used it?
I understand that. The point remains, however, that if Lulu REALLY cared about Nunnaly above all, he would remain her innocent brother and be all to her she ever wanted. I bet he will even tell her as much after realizing it, when he's dying in her arms.
Listen up, champ. Pride goes before fall for a reason. People do give a shit about honor. That's why they die for it. If the will of a people is to go out fighting, you don't really have a right to tell them otherwise. That's what Suzaku did.
pleasure? what does that matter? they still killed for personal gain. "to protect my right to the throne", "to make Zero appear right now", it's not like anyone else gained but them.
still, I forgive Cornelia since she's hot.
In a ghetto where it's filled with people who want to kill you, it's efficient to just nuke it to hell. Unfortunately, they didn't have that tech yet.
This is why we can’t have a good geass most of the time people are 13 year olds that can’t get the context or are trolling
All these posts go to show is that the most terrible of acts in war can be justified. How then can anything Lelouch did not be? The same argument swings both ways quite efficiently.
Yeah, just like how Lelouch is killing for personal gain.
(Getting Nunnally a brand new world is a personal goal, no matter how you think of it.)
Lelouch also got people killed just for efficiency's sake like they were chess pieces.
It's a war. And an empire that controls a third of the world needs to be efficient or it won't be able to control said empire.
>>10289936 The point remains, however, that if Lulu REALLY cared about Nunnaly above all, he would remain her innocent brother and be all to her she ever wanted.
Wasn't an option, Lelouch knew their days of living in hiding were numbered.
You just don't want to believe that someone else is correct just because you hate what the other side stands for.
And the goals make the difference there. If you say they both believe the ends justify the means, then we next compare what ends they desire.
The difference between what Lelouch does and what Britannia does?
Lelouch will only incur harsher responses from Britannia itself, and for what?
Just to meet his daddy.
Britannia does it because it HAS to. If it does not react harshly, then the empire will crumble.
There's a difference between trying to kill military personnel and leading to the deaths of civilians caught in the crossfire and massacring everyone including children and the elderly.
For such a genius able to devise limitless strategies, Lulu sure seems forced into choices pretty often, eh?
You're prefer he was a Mary Sue who could always come out with a flawless brilliant plan at a moments notice?
Lelouch constantly getting his plans foiled and having to dig his way out of trouble is part of the attraction.
>>10290083 then the empire will crumble
And that would be a bad thing? At best, that motive makes Britannia as selfish as you believe Lelouch to be.
If Britannia does not respond harshly and efficiently, it will crumble.
Lelouch has the choice of not going that path because he fights an irregular war. Britannia can only fight a direct war easily.
Fighting the rebels on their the rebels' terms is stupid and costly. Better just show them that if you mess with Britannia, you're going to pay dearly for it.
if that's what you want, you're in the wrong sunrise program good sir.
I never said Britannia wasn't selfish. EVERYONE, yes including Lelouch, are all selfish.
Britannia is selfish because a growing power has to, just like the EU and the Chinese.
Lelouch is also selfish because he's willing to sacrifice the lives of so many others for Nunnally.
This show is filled with selfishness and no one's trying to deny that.
Obviously he gets foiled often. But that he only had two choices in the instances with Euphemia and that he couldn't use his intelligence to escape the eyes of people who aren't really looking for him in the first place, under the assumption he's dead? For a strategic genius, that seems kind of pathetic. And Lulu loves the geass and the power it gives him. As soon as he got it he was thinking about his revenge, not about what Nunnaly would want.
Is there a point to this?
I'm just pointing out there is a difference between what Lelouch does and what Cornelia and Clovis did, I couldn't give a shit about how Britannia manages their war funds.
For the Britannians, yes, that would be a bad thing. The chaos that will rise from the destruction of an empire is never pretty.
One led to the Dark Ages, one led to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and guns throughout the middle east, and several led to the messed up place known as Africa.
They'll detonate the nuke in a populated area (populated by military personnel most likely) as some sort of anti-war propoganda for S2.
Yes, I'm pointing out that Britannia cannot afford to be as kind as Lelouch is. It's not that Britannia is inherently evil, it's that they can't do it any other way without risking their entire empire to shatter.
uh...did you listen to any of the lines he said
"I was going to attempt it even without this power", "Nunnally, I'll make the world a place that you'll want to open your eyes and see.", etc., etc.
Sounds like Suikoden 2.
Luca Blight = Suzaku??
I concede to those points, but the original issue of second-class citizenry and the effect on the typical eleven remains.
>Luca Blight = Suzaku??
Oh FUCK YES
blood for money sounds pretty evil to me. quite simply, you're evil if you lack morals. doesn't matter what kind of morals those are, doesn't matter if everyone agrees, just matters that there's something you believe in.
well, good thing your explanation is full of shit, since this is all being driven by whatever Wakamoto wants, which is no doubt something more worthwhile than money.
Being described as businessmen doesn't mean they're doing it for money, you moron.
Being described as businessmen mean they are efficient. What kind of moron are you?
You're adjusting your position, then. In >>10290083 you implied that Britannia's motives were somehow *better* than your portrayal of Lelouch's, not equally bad. ("Just to" vs "HAS to")
If Britain does not respond harshly and efficiently, it will crumble.
The American Revolutionaries have the choice of not going that path because they fight an irregular war. Britain can only fight a direct war easily.
Fighting the rebels on the rebels' terms is stupid and costly. Better just show them that if you mess with Britain, you're going to pay dearly for it.
BULLLSHIT you hear motherfuker BULLSHIT, he himself say it lots of times in the show the he acknowledge the willingly did terrible things that were wrong for her safety and future, It take more balls to willingly become the bad guy for others that remain being good guy.
But I since you are totally retarded like you have show before let me put it in terms you can understand
He sold his soul to the devil in exchange for his sister to have a better future.
>assumption he's dead
Not taking into account Lelouch's "amnesia", what's the better alternative? Presumption of death is the safest way to avoid detection.
It's true. Lelouch didn't have to do start anything at all. He didn't have to provoke Britannian responses.
Britannia HAS to respond.
And I never adjusted anything. All the sides are selfish. But that has nothing to do with the reasoning for what they want or need to do.
"A businessperson is a generic term for someone who is employed at a PROFIT-ORIENTED enterprise, or more specifically, someone who is involved in the management (at any level) of a company. The term businessperson almost always refers to someone with a "white collar" occupation."
It's thinking like that that would keep Nunnally blind forever.
Lelouch doesn't need to be the perfect brother for Nunnally to love, he needs to make sure Nunnally is strong enough to live on her own two feet (which little does he know means quite literally) and be able to seek happiness even if he should god forbid die. Nunnally being defendant on him will make that impossible, and more importantly a social darwinist government like Britannia will make that impossible.
so Lelouch is going to ensure that Nunnally has her chance at happiness, even if he has to burn the entire Britannian military to the ground.
Britain didn't deal harshly with the Colonials at all. I don't see no we'll raze the colonies like the Britannians did. Hell, if those Britons only had the balls like the Britannians had, they wouldn't have lost America.
oh lol, use the wikipedia definition to try to prove a point when socially calling someone a businessman means his efficient.
Oh wait, you don't have a social life. I'm sorry, did I hurt you?
all i know is that im pretty fuckin psyched for season 2
you've never read a history textbook in your life, let alone an american history one, have you?
supply lines much? war of 1812? Just get out. well, actually stay, since this is /a/.
LeDouche will die in the end. Suzaku will become Emperor through voodoo magic or something.
War of 1812 was NOT a rebellion anymore, you dolt! America was being a haughty bastard and it got its ass handed to it HARD.
By Canadians even.
Let me put it so YOU can understand, m'kay?
Nunnaly would prefer a world on the street in utter poverty or even slavery as long as her brother was there as the benevolent protector she always believed him to be, over learning her brother tried to "build her a future" by killing innocent people and causing war to erupt. Nunnaly was shown fairly content in life, when her brother paid attention to her. He is only going to hurt her worse in the end, by his bloodstained hands. he, and you, are moronic for not realizing this. But, Lulu will most likely have such an epiphany on his deathbed, if Nunnaly doesn't tell him it straight out.
Britannia didn't have to "start anything at all" either. It had no business invading and conquering other nations in the first place.
You still arguing that its selfish motives are somehow more admirable than (how you portray) Lelouch's?
I'm coming back right? Right?
Japan also had no business enslaving poorer countries economically to the point where it was an economic empire as racist and cruel as Britannia.
Pot calling kettle black. I'm calling it karma.
Britannia expands for itself and the propagation of its citizenry.
Lelouch is only doing it for one girl, damn everything else.
Seriously, it's neither uncommon nor wrong to understand "businessman" as "for-profit." You have no basis for calling anyone a moron over this.
That maybe that could be case, you contradict yourselves by condemning Lelouch’s crimes but justifying and saying is Britannia right to do worst.
And before you say shit about me doing the same many of Lelouch’s actions are wrong simply wrong but he doesn’t delude himself that they are wrong he know and admits this several times in different episodes yet he keeps doing them for the sake of his sister.
The people defending Britannia are only trying to justify, hear yourself damn it!!! “Ghettos” “second class citizens” THEY KILL children and innocent people but you say “it more efficient that way” if that is not trolling or being retard them what is it?
Except for those that don't know how to use it to flatter friends at parties.
Thats his moralfag excuse for doing the exact same thing that got his mother killed, the fact that his father wants everyone to fight for the crown. He's playing right into his father's hands by killing off the other heirs to the throne, Emperor Brittania wanted this sort of thing to happen.
Expect brick-shittan when he finally realizes that, season 11.
No, we're saying that Britannia wouldn't have killed them if the rebels didn't hide behind women and children.
Lesson learned: Don't hide behind women and children if your enemy is willing to kill them to get to you.
And by gaining the trust of the Britannians instead of trying to kill them, Elevens would be able to regain at least a semblance of independence even if they had to pay imperial taxes as a sign of submission to Britannia.
In which case Britannia has run up its karma tab too.
Lelouch is doing it for the weak in general, whom Britannia culturally rejects.
Lelouche never said anything to that effect. He's only doing it to avenge his mother and make the world safe for Nunally. If Suzuka wasn't such a sell out he would have had Nunally marry his ass and then have gay sex with him.
Man, these threads are fun. I missed them. After all these mindless GL threads over the past few months, some good ends vs means debates via geass are always welcome by this anon on /a/.
That's why Britannia wants to defeat everyone else. So that nothing karmas its ass.
And somehow it's A-OKAY for Britannia to kill women and children, because it's EFFICIENT!
I know. I can't wait for the ACTUAL shitstorm threads that will flood /a/ when r2 actually rolls out.
So then how are its motives any more justifiable than Lelouch's, like your side has implied?
No, it's not okay. I'm playing the goddamn devil's advocate. It's not completely Britannia's fault.
If those rebels didn't act like faggots and hid behind women and children, they wouldn't have died. And they knew their enemy. And they STILL hid behind women and children.
Stupid rebels are stupid.
Britannia's not out to get your trust. You have to get Britannia's trust. They ARE the victors of the last war.
I suppose they are, ah, stimulating... But I should really focus on my studies now.
Britainia can do whatever the fuck it wants. It's BRITAINIA. They are a completely different species. Killing an eleven for a Britainian is like putting down a rabid dog. You know? Even the noble Lulu follows this idea.
That doesn’t meant better or even safe that’s the different, he is willingly and knowingly going down the path where his sister will probably hate him for her sake try to understand what I am saying.
willingly and knowingly
willingly and knowingly
So because they have power and the want to keep that power its ok to kill innocent people… Oh and remember that originally kill many more innocent people to get that power form the start is I understand your logic them: the end justifies the means, LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN “THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS”
If that’s right then Lelouch its right too!!! isn’t that amazing, what a coincident!!!
Some big ass Climatic ending will happen and at some point Nunally will figure out about Lulouch's actions and will kill him to leave us all broken.
>If that’s right then Lelouch its right too!!! isn’t that amazing, what a coincident!!!
It's NOT right, that's the problem. That's why Lelouch and Britannia are both wrong.
Their efficiency can be explained and logically followed. But that doesn't make them both right.
Yeah, the Schneizel-sponsored Euphemia plan was the best of both worlds idea. Too fucking bad an idiot fucked up with the worst possible joke at the worst possible time.
I can actually see the whole Lulu death by Nunnaly happening
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The way I picture it, Nunnaly gets her vision back, is horrified by what she sees and Lulu tries to use the Geass to make her forget all of it, prompting Shirley to slap the hell out of him.
Euphemia comes back as a full cyborg stronger than orange kun and kills Lulu then makes sweet love to Nunally.
lol @ the people who think Nunnally will reject/kill Lelouch.
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I read the summary of the first ep and it sounds pretty fucking good. But so did season 1 when it started. I wouldn't be surprised to this season be kick ass for the first half and fall apart in the second half again.
I still don't understand what the whole 'Orange' thing is about, anyone care to explain?