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This was just posted in ANN. I'm sure the thread will be locked, but holy crap.
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Just predicting what this thread will dissolve into
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I don't think I could be more wrong if I intentionally tried to be.
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I don't think I could be more wrong if I tried.
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I don't understand moonspeak and I don't want to wait for official translations that might never come.
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>In Japan, they rarly [sic] download anime because it's so cheep [sic] there

oh god
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wow

they rarly download in Japan because it is so cheap
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Shitty threads are not locked, they are deleted. Go back to ANN, faggot.
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He thinks anime is cheap in Japan? What?
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this whole flawed argument is based on the assumption that I give a shit about the R1 anime industry.
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>>10283963

I do to find threads like these.
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lol, they rarly download in japan has potential
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Some poor weeaboo is freaking out because all of his dubs are getting shitcanned. He has an elementary grasp of the economy and doesn't realize that people are worrying more about how expensive gas is than what anime DVDs are being made.

ANN is fucking fail.
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Failure to understand that US Anime companies are out to RAPE buyers is at an all time high in that post.

2-3 episodes in 4.6gb or 9gb dvd's with shit tons of fail extra's != $30.

So, really, are Blu-Ray anime's with 2 episodes going to be $30-$40 bucks? Really? You can't fit more than 2 FUCKING EPISODES on 50 fucking GIGS?!
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serious business
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I stopped reading when he wrote "dieing".
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>>10283933
How does he think fansubbers get raws? Magic?
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>>10283979
Due to your unfamiliarity with the system of thread deletion, I believe you do, in fact, originally come from ANN, which is where you should stay.
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>>10284006

Even if the uncompressed episode were 4 gigs, which it's obviously not going to be for 22-25 minutes of content, they should be able to fit 5 episodes onto each blu-ray, assuming the filesize was that bad.

What were the most uncompressed blu-ray rips of utawarerumono, if anyone has any?
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fan subbed anime does not have the quality for archiving but dvd's do. Most fansubbed stuff has tons of artifacting and low bitrate sound. If I WANT a show I love I buy r2 dvds and occasionally r1's
Americian anime fandom should die the horrible fad death it deserved 10 years ago

In before get a better comp or better codecs
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>>10284046

If you meant thread deletion in 4chan, LULZ I LIKE GAIA KAWAII SUGOI POCKY DESU NE KA?
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>>10284046

Thread deletion in ANN? No, they just seem to lock the thread and it moves down off the first page.
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>>10284084
Actually, learn English first. Then we'll argue later.
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wait, because people don't buy the DVDs they make them even more expensive ? Wow, this man knows how the market works
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I stopped reading at "dieing."

A giant wall of text wherein someone has numerous spelling errors only speaks of stupidity on the part of the poster.

Course, I also have to say "fuck you" to OP, because now this thread will descend into a shitstorm, just like the rest of them on this subject have.
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>>10283899
It's an obvious troll. It's nothing special now. "Blah blah blah, you guys are bad people" rants are nothing new, in fact, they're very common. Just ignore them and they'll go away.
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>>10284084
Why buy something that's more than $50 for like 2 episodes?

Importing anime is retarded, that's why we have the R1 industry.
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>>10284078
I mean thread deletion here, dumbass.

>I'm sure the thread will be locked

As I said before, shitty threads are not locked, they are deleted.
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my english is fine thanks.

try actually debating why it's perfectly ok to download hundreds of gigs of anime and never giving back a dime to the creators.
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>>10283899

This is the worst post i've read since one ANN poster recommended a poor college student to eat cup ramen and cut his drinking money for anime.

Fucking bigots.
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>>10284131

In that case, the original meaning of the locked thread was pic related. Threads don't get locked here. Why would you assume I was talking about that?
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Of course it's failing in America. The American anime industry depends on 12 year olds begging their mothers for cash.
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ANN has a forum?
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>>10284006
>>2-3 episodes in 4.6gb or 9gb dvd's with shit tons of fail extra's != $30.
Do people still fucking think it works this way? It hasn't been like that since the goddamn 90s.

The standard is 5 episodes per disc, and unless you're functionally retarded, you won't be paying MSRP. The MSRP is set high so that companies can boast to you about how you're saving money by buying through them. $30? more like $17.

Boxed collections are even fucking cheaper. All 13 episodes of Kino no Tabi for $22 is a ripoff? Give me a fucking break.
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I didn't bother reading it. If someone can't even space out paragraphs properly, chances are that the person hasn't written something worth reading.
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you're on an image board who cares if my grammar or writing isn't up to YOUR standards.
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>>10284178

Where do you think all of these idiots who keep complaining that we're ruining the industry come from?

The Aether?
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>>10284206

Because there is also text.
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>>10284140
do you want a serious answer ? I don't give a fuck, and so do the original creators
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Wow so now all I need to do is post a WTFLOL full or spelling and syntax errors on another anime message board, take a screen shot and post on /a/ to troll?

YHBT /a/
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>>10284225

I propose that the all text on 4chan be removed and a system of sign-language symbols be introduced to replace it.
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I lol'd
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>>10284175
Because they aren't smart enough to start promoting it outside of the internet.

Anime would be a lot more successful here if American companies collaborated with Japanese companies more. And I mean WAY more.
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>>10284206
I do.
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>>10284090
Gaia is basically ANN with gold.
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>>10284234
Actually theres a story of a mangaka who almost cried because someone stood at a newstand, read her manga, and didn't bother to pay for it.
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I seriously doubt that. SOME anime could be popular in america. Shit like Black Lagoon would certainly be popular, but try showing Lucky Star or Potemayo or generic harem animu to the average american viewer and see how well that goes over. Oldschool weeaboos vastly overblew the chances of anime becoming mainstream...but they were watching anime back when faces exploded into blood and they were flashing big bouncing titties around which was truly a golden age.
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American companies do not have the budgets to promote outside of the internet. do you have any clue the costs associated in advertising for a niche product? With the spiraling costs of licensing shows. the ROI shrinks more and more. Add to the fact that there is just TOO MUCH junk on shelves you can't get the retail presence to make that money back.
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>>10284351
Then they shouldn't license crap like Kanon and Lucky star.
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American companies basically shot themselves in the foot by oversaturating the market with junk titles.

I'm not saying piracy hasn't had a huge effect but they certainly didn't do much to stem the tide of it when they had a chance.
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>>10284322

ANN does have a usable encyclopedia.
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>>10284342
Lucky Star works because of the Haruhi fanbase. That's the only reason I watched it.
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>>10283942
Yeah man, anime is fucking like, 100 yen a dvd over there

for those of you who don't know, 100 yen is like, a dollar in american money
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>>10284403

>>Lucky Star works because of the Haruhi fanbase. That's the only reason I downloaded it and am never going to buy it.

Fixed for me at least.
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>>10284255
Go back to Gaia/Naruto, newfag.
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western animu industry is dying because in japan, the people that buys dvds faps to lolis and cute characters/moeblobs... in amerikkka everyone faps to naruto and gurren lagann = most fanddom re underage faggots.
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>>10283899

If only the world worked for you as it does in your own mind.

Things are never as simple as that. Just take a look at some of the more constructive posts in this topic to better understand this.

If you do not get it or refuse to understand then to bad.

We have other things to worry about then spending a hundred or so dollars on an anime series.
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>>10284394

ADV and Geneon are to blame here. Whereas Media Blasters knows they're licensing extremely niche titles, so they expect huge sales. So no dub is included and they keep the price as low as possible. ADV and Geneon probably expected the same niche type of titles to sell better simply because of a dub.
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>>10284168
Full Metal Panic! isn't $22, just like most series.
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holy shit saging as hard as I can
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>>10284431
Pardon me? It's highly likely that the OP made this post himself to troll. What is your reasoning that this isn't the case?
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I brought the Princess Tutu box, that is my contribution the the R1 industry for the year.
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>>10284479

I copied and pasted the text from ANN to provide cheap laughs.
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>>10284494
You did not copy and paste the text, you posted a screenshot.
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How to fix this bullshit problem

1) Do not dub.
2) Stop being greedy pricks and sell at low price
4) Widen catalog (see #1)
5) Profit
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How much does dubbing cost anyway? (In-house or not)

For the quality (ie. shit) they are putting out, I hope they aren't paying much.
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>>Well, I'll be a dick and just copy pasta my post from the other thread

They're fucked because it's better and it's free. Take a look at the download numbers for popular shows... last year, Claymore easily garnered almost 80k downloads per episode, Lucky Star getting around 60k for it's most popular eps, Gundam 00 is averaging around 30-40k downloads per ep as I check this.

Forty thousand fucking people is not a small number. That's forty thousand people who already saw the show months before it ever comes out officially in the states.

Now, there's an unofficial study by a game company that basically found out that out of every thousand people who pirate their game, one person goes on to actually buy it.

Lets apply that to these kinds of numbers. If 60,000 people downloaded and watched Lucky Star, only a mere sixty will go on to buy it.

Sixty people.

Time to think of a new revenue model, guys.
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>>10284544

Dude, wait. What's number 3?
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when they do all that you feel should ask what will be your excuse then for not supporting the industry?
Most people here are hypocrites that will never buy or pay for anything if there is a free and easy alternative.
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>>10284561

I've heard around 10,000 per episode, but that could easily be wrong.
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>>10284544
>>1) Do not dub.
Except that sub-only releases do poorly in the R1 market.
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>>10284553

Games and anime are different though, so different number crunching/variables have to be taken into account. Still though, interesting.
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>>10284561
Quite a lot. But despite us "hurr hurr"ing about it and saying it's a problem, it does lead to increased sales (it is Amerikkkkkka after all, "omg why should i have to read while watching").
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>>10284544
1.Some already did, you just never look.
2.2/3 bucks a episode on ADV, you just never look.
3.Planning for profit doesn't work that way.
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>>10284589

3) ???
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Time to think of a new revenue model, guys.

More like time to nip piracy in the bud. The time of fansubbing promoting the industry ended at least 10 years ago.
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>>10284633
Your inability to correctly quote posts leads me to believe you come from ANN.
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>>10284633
Fansubbing may not be promoting it, but it's still important. I like being up to date on my shows and having easy access to old ones.

THEN I buy them, if they're licensed and I can find the DVDs at a reasonable price.
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>>10284633
Yeah, then without fansubs people are gonna buy A BOY DISCOVERS A STRANGE LIFEFORM IN HIS REFRIGERATOR AND HIS DAILY LIFE IS CHANGED.
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>>10284612
>>10284561
Toonami/Adult Swim and popular shows where I've worshipped the original seiyuus are my only experiences with English voice acting.

Except for some horrible voices when fans demand to stick to the original script (OH GOD MAZE), most are actually decent.
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>>10284633
>More like time to nip piracy in the bud.

COMEDY GOLD
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>>10284675
Potemayo was good though.
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Piracy won't just vanish either. It wouldn't die even if it was killed.
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>>10284695
But no one will give it a second look, much less buy it, if not for fansubs.
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>>10284695

Pot-E-Mayo.
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Fansubbing will never die. It might be harder to get them, but it will never die.
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>>10284633
I don't want to wait a god damn year for a show to MAYBE end up in the US/EU for me to watch.

I'll download. If I see said show in a collectors box available later near me or for an afforadble price online, I'll buy it.
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>>10284059
>Even if the uncompressed episode were 4 gigs, which it's obviously not going to be for 22-25 minutes of content, they should be able to fit 5 episodes onto each blu-ray, assuming the filesize was that bad.

This is assuming that you're willing to stick with non-HD content on a Blu-Ray disc. Blu-Ray is about high-definition content. Might explain why there are only a couple of episodes per disc.
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>>10284594

Tekkaman Blade (a subbed only series) did better than Teknoman (a dubbed only series).
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>>10284140
The money doesn't go to creators, and if you have no money to give, then you're not part of the equation.
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Why does anyone care about american anime companies? Its not like they produce anything except shitty dubs.
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Without fansubs, translators would have even less incentive not to shit all over the origanal script (aka 'localization') as hardly anyone would know how it originally went. Enjoy your Cardcaptors.
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>>10284633

The problem is, the pirated stuff is just a lot more efficiently distributed than the legal stuff, in better quality.

Maybe if I could subscribe to a service that would give me HD broadcasts of anime, subtitled, with subscriptions handled netflix style having downloads available as soon as the episode aired in Japan I would subscribe...

...But really, how is that anything but slightly better than what we already have? Fansubs already provide 90% of that, except they're slow.
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>>10284788

The only reason I can think of personally is to own the DVD (dubs aren't a factor) of a show I really like.
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>>10284714
Or the cutesy look of it either. Hell, even anonymous was about to stunt this show until a few actually watched it.

But the casual fans want DEEP animu that doesn'y look childish. That's why Princess Tutu did so damn poorly in the R1 market.
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Even though they're not totally dead (just dormat, but I highly doubt they'll ever release anything new), I really liked CPM.

Other than filling out the rest of things I still need from CPM, Media Blasters is probably the only company I'm buying from now (Bandai and ADV here and there but not much).
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>>10284745
Dub=/=Localization/Edit
Another thing people don't seem to get.
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No shit R1 is dying. More than half of your average ronery otakus have an "all dubs r teh suck GTFO dubfag" sentiment, so don't expect profits there. Not to mention because of the nature of the product, no average productive member of society would even gravitate towards animu. This just leaves imbecile children who are after a bunch of Naruto DVD's, given the rare occurence they don't know how to torrent to begin with. Ergo an already niche market has been reduced heavily. The only solutions I can come up with is to either do the impossible and make R1 more tantalizing to the idiotic weeaboo somehow or find a new method for profit. (I don't know. Even the concept of sub only DVD's are a turn off.) Whatever the weather, this is a self destructive industry, even if you do put five episodes to a twenty dollar disc these days.
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>>10284799

Fansubs are not that slow, depending on the group or show.
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>>10284807 But the casual fans want DEEP animu that doesn'y look childish.

Ergo Proxy still did terribly, despite reasonably heavy marketing.
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>>10284768
Licensing fees.
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>>10284745
That's a rare occurance and you know it. It wasn't a smash either.

>>10284768
LOL whut?
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>>10284807
>But the casual fans want DEEP animu

This statement makes me want to rage. But I won't. This isn't the time, place and thread for it.
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>>10284789
Quoted for emphasis.
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>>10284849
But not as bad as Princess Tutu, I bet. It took YEARS for the DVDs and eventual boxset out....
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>>10284789
Cardcaptors is a bad example and you know it. It was going to be butchered no matter what.
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There's still a fuck ton of 80's OVA's I want to see on DVD but that'll probably never happen.

I think that series should be in box sets only because the people who'd seen them already by fansubs don't wait forever for completion.

I'll bite my tongue and get Lucky Star as it comes out (only the regular version though), but for now on unless it's a movie or OVA I'll only by something as a boxset (even though TV anime is the type of anime I by least of. Gimme more OVA's).
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>>10284916

Cardcaptors wasn't being used as an example of anything other than the type of shitty product we'd see many more R1 releases resembling if fansubs were to die out.
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>>But the casual fans want DEEP animu

second

brb fapping to a moblob
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There's about a 90% chance that any given anime is picked up by some fansub group and just about all of them do a better job localizing than the actual companies that put out the DVDs. The notorious Your-Mom fansubs are better than most companies throwing shit at us. I used to download TV rips and then delete them after and pick up DVD rips for image quality but in today's day and age, all the popular shows are HD 1280x720, so there's not even a need for it anymore. You get superior translation and overall great quality from fansubs for free. Another factor is no one wants to wait a year for the series to finish and DVDs to come out; fansubs get it to us the day it airs or the day after. And finally, they aren't going to stop making anime if US citizens stop buying DVDs, because we're comparatively insignificant in the eyes of the Japanese companies. Hell, if ALL the US companies died, it might actually be BETTER, since no one would attempt to stop fansubbers for using their shit and I'm sure a lot of the people that used to work for them would fall into video game translation and fansubbing as a hobby.
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That italicised yellow font still gives me nightmares.
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>>10285113

I like dubs.
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The anime industry outside Japan is flawed. Why do I download anime instead of buy it? Because many fansubbers are better than the big companies at everything! Better timing, nicer text used (the 'standard' text used on DVD subs sucks and was in style back in the 80's), usually better translations and no shitty dubs. Many times I've watched a DVD and noticed they won't translate little things like text on a page or a wall that may be important to the overall story- fansubbers will do this many times tho. How can you charge money for something that someone doing it for free does better?! Ridiculous!
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To the: Sub-fags.

Just remember this one thing. You're not a true fan of an artist until you give money to the artist. Remember, no matter how much times you look at the art, you're not giving money to the artist. If you give money to the English companies, they in return will give money to the Japanese companies. I recall reading in Anime Insider that the cost for the English rights to Naruto was in the million$. If you know where to find the Japanese DVD's then that is fine too.
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>>10285283

LOL GLFAG, KILL YOUSELF
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>>10285283

LOL GLFAG, KILL YOURSELF
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>>10285283

or you could buy official merchandise like posters, wallscrolls, figs, etc. stuff we can't exactly download.
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>>10285283
The "artist" has already been paid. Fail less
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>>10285283
anonymous isn't an artist, he's a consumer.
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>>10285283

>art
>anime

Uh, yeah, sure.
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>>10285255

For licensing rights and dubbing stuff.

Stop being so cheap.

And hey, I like dubs.
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>>10285255
>DO IT RIGHT. DO IT RIGHT OR I WILL KILL YOU...SLOWLY
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>>10285324

What about the future artist. They need money too.
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I'd have to go with these American companies asking for this sort of shit. Take a peek at 4Kids Entertainment. Their edits are terrible. Their dubs are awful. Their DVD releases are hypocrisy. Shit. Shit. Shit. Also, sage.
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This entire thing is quite amusing. Who here hasn't supported anime in one way or another by buying a Dvd/boxset of the series you liked?

So pointless.
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The only real savior to R1 would be a "golden age of voice acting", obvious emphasis on the quotations. Even if said miracle with a near 0% chance of success happened, what was the language again? Oh yeah, the accursed vocal bane of primitive grunts called English that surly isn't the euphoric, angelic, KAWAII DESU SUGOI Japanese.

>>10285283
Quote for truth.
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>>10285338
>And hey, I like dubs.
you're the one who's killing the localization industry then.
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>>10285283
PROTIP, DICKWAD: the 'artist' doesn't see shit from what you pay for the middlemen.

The only way to go forward is what NiN is doing. Guess who shelled out $5 for Ghosts I-IV?
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>>10285283
HAHA FUCK YOU FAGGOT ILL DOWNLOAD THIS SHIT AND WHILE DOING SO, I DONT GIVE 2 SHITS ABOUT THE ANIME INDUSTRY
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>>10285011
It is a bad example because it was tailored to Saturday morning TV, which is a different ballgame than something coming straight to DVD. DVD were uncut for the most part (unless they were like KITE) BEFORE Cardcaptors. Cardcaptors was meant to be like another Sailor Moon so the companies can market a toy line and shit. Fortunately, the edits of the show was horrendous that prompted people to buy the subtitles.

Try the fuck again with a better example of a series that NEVER aired on morning, non-satellite TV broadcast.
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The only real savior to R1 would be a "golden age of voice acting", obvious emphasis on the quotations. Even if said miracle with a near 0% chance of success happened, what was the language again? Oh yeah, the accursed vocal bane of primitive grunts called English that surly isn't the euphoric, angelic, KAWAII DESU SUGOI Japanese. The irony in all this is that the elevens love English.

>>10285283
Quote for truth.
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>>10285403
The studios who make the animu don't get paid.
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>>10285348
what the fuck are you talking about?

you want to support american animators? buy transformers animated or some shit.
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>>10285393
maybe anonymous should start dubbing?

>>10285283
what do you think they shouldnt have done then? that's right, shell out money for nay-roo-toe
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>>10285283
10/10
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8/10 (considering where it was posted)

The problem isn't downloading, or at least not fansub downloading. I know R1 rips are out there, and couldn't care less that they are OOOOH DUAL AUDIO MKV!

The problem is an increasing amount of crap anime, which started in Japan a few years ago, and is now wasting shelf space in R1-land. That combined with the US publishers fighting over the few good shows and getting porked with the crap shows is why we have so much crap on the shelves. If fansubs have done anything, it's to make it easier to identify the crap, saving me from wasting my time watching the crap. Of course overpricing (Bandai Visual) isn't going to help increase sales any.

I'm just saying.
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>>10285113
>>10285255

i have a large anime dvd collection and this is the conclusion i've come to.

i think american distributors are too focused on the dub and don't pay near enough attention to the sub. thanks to translating "time travelers" as "future men" i won't be buying their release of lucky star. seriously, that's like a slap in the face to sub watchers.

the american anime community can ONLY benefit from the american dvd distributors downfall.
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>>10285349
>BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW I don't know anything about English companies.


4Kids is one bad company. Besides, with shows like one piece and Sonic X, who really gives a shit. Also, they don't really have a choice. They have to Americanize kid shows. For example, I don't think I'd even be talking here if it wasn't for Funimation's altered DBZ Dub version. In some cases, Ameracanizing shows is a good thing. It brings in more otakus. Also, (I probably already said this) 4Kids only Dubs kid shows (shows that *we grown-ups *who have money, don't give a shit about).

Don't tell me that you watch retarded kid shows like Poke-mon.
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>>10285479

Exactly, too much stuff, not all of it worth doing.
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Ok, let's say that I do want to start buying some anime/manga.

I'll buy a manga.

Kodomo no Jikan is the only Manga I am currently reading.

What's my solution buyfags?
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>>10285461 here

meant to quote >>10285438 for the 1st part
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>>10285523

To learn japanese and buy it from there. But it's not a viable solution.
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>>10285479
Anime was been crap. It just that companies back then didn't have the money to license anything that was just animu (although they did have plenty shit and mediocre titles back then).

The problem is oversaturation. It mkes me rage and facepalm when they licensed a shitty harem animu when something like Gakuen Alice or Potemayo may never see a R1 release.
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Grin Laggin is the perfect example of why R1 companies should die.

1.) Release fucking awful trailer to advertise.
2.) Find out you have no monies therefore no Vol. 1 release
3.) ???
4.) No Profit!!!
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>>10285414

What is your point? As was stated before, the only thing Cardcaptors was used as an example for was as the type of quality we'd see more of without subs. Saturday mrning is a lucrative timeslot; if licensing companies could transform more shows into the type of mush that fills it without any outcry from the fans due to no subs, don't you think they would?
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>>10285498

>They have to Americanize kid shows.
>have to Americanize kid shows.
>to Americanize kid shows.
>Americanize kid shows.
>kid shows.
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Japan will continue to make anime whether or not we buy it from our local licensor. That's why they don't bother english dubbing or subbing it right out of the studio, because it ISN'T MADE FOR US.
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>>10285283

I'll gladly give them my money when they bother to try selling the shit I'm interested in. I go to my local stores and you know what I see? Bleach, Naruto, Noein, Tokko, Xenosaga, Witchblade, and Haruhi. Only Haruhi of those do I think is worth how much they're asking.

Which reminds me, have they released all of those yet? I should buy them.

Oh, and there was a Cowboy Bebop set. I should get that too.
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>>10285539
Yes, but the "shit back then" was mostly movies and OVAs. The only long stuff was Macek-ed to the point where it only rarely followed the Japanese plot. Now we're getting shelves full of 13-ep and 26-ep moeblob and shounenfight
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>>10283921
Fuck Yeah! Leave anime alone.
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>>10285567

i looked through a few best buy's anime selections. I've seen shows sitting on the shelves I've never heard of talked about on /a/ before, and I lurk and post a lot.

If I've never heard of them, then they're seemingly not worth my time, even less worth my time and money.
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Virgin/newfag here. What the fuck is an R1?
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>>10285545
But how many would end up like Cardcaptors? Seriously? A very few.
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>>10285461
From those fandubs I've seen here and there, as well as the subsequent sonic assault upon my ears that killed more of my hearing than any dub, I'd say it's not the best of ideas. That and I've also come to the conclusion that the otaku is a creature that does not rely on sound for communication, hence underdeveloped voice and hearing.
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>>10285592

>ISN'T MADE FOR US.

this is why some fags dont like Lucky Star
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>>10285592
>hat's why they don't bother english dubbing or subbing it right out of the studio, because it ISN'T MADE FOR US.

Still though, if Japan subbed their anime in english and made it an option on DVD's I'd buy that shit in a heartbeat, even if I had to import it.
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>>10285622
R1 = Region 1 = USA DVD.
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>>10285539
Yes, but the "shit back then" was mostly movies and 1-6 ep OVAs. The only long stuff (Macross, Speed Racer, etc.) was Macek-ed to the point where it only rarely followed the Japanese plot. Now we're getting shelves full of 13-ep and 26-ep moeblob and shounenfight crap.
>The problem is oversaturation.
That's what I was trying to say. There's so much oversaturation that thinpaks are the only way stuff more than a year or two old can stay on the shelf.
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>>10285636

or english text on eroges...
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>>10285636

A lot of R2's have subtitles. Or were those r3's? Or maybe they were something else.
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>>10285567
All the Haruhi DVD's have been released since about autumn.
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>>10285654
I think the R2 Miyazaki films have English subs.
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>>10285592
To further my point, I'll add the unresearched statement that Japan makes anime for Japan and any sales they get from overseas licensors is just a bonus. If they depended on sales from overseas to produce more anime, we'd be seeing more content relevant to our culture in the original show.
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Sometimes moonlanders package shitty anime along with other licenses, so companies looking to pick certain ones up have to piggy back fail at the same time.
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>>10285654

Actually yeah, I am pretty sure they were R2's now; and they had english subs. Stuff like Saikano, scrapped princess, ...other shit, to name some examples.
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>>10285592
Or it's too expensive and we have to pay their DVDs prices.

But they did do it before with Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust though.
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>>10285688
You mean like how Geass was loaded with over 9000 Pizza Hut references?
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america doesn't know who Cheese-kun is though.
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>>10285623


You place a good deal more trust in licensing companies than I do. As far as I've seen, the only thing that has been recently stopping them from trashing more series, and to a greater degree, is the increasing recognition of the 'hardcore' fans. Remove fansubs and you remove that dam, and I would be seriously worried about the hobby as a whole.
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>>10285717
franchising anonymous, have you heard of it?
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>>10285652
I don't know about you but there was a good number of 26 episodes series in the 90s.
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>>10285752
I know, I was poking fun about how American culture is fast food and fat people
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>>10285741
DAMN YOU PIZZA HUT OF AMERICA!
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>>10285688
Your statement is incorrect. American anime companies have already been cofunding Japanese anime series for several years now. That means US investments ARE required for shows to get made, the earliest two I know of were Elfen Lied and Samurai Gun, both of which were cofunded by ADV. Without ADV those anime would never have been made. And according to ADV and Funimation industry reps, the vast majority of titles coming out now are cofunded. Want to know who cofunded Anime Series X? Find out which US company is releasing it. US DVD sales fund the production of Japanese anime. It IS true and it has already been happening for several years.
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It's quicker and cheaper to order a DVD from holy shit japan, rip it and put on softsubs than waiting for the slow ass licensing, subbing and godawful dubbing to finish and then pay extra for a series that's been out a year.
Hell it's quicker just to learn Japanese than wait for AFK to release GRAN LOGIN.
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I just want mah fucking Spice and Wolf Season 2.
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>>10285717
Because Japanese people don't eat Pizza.
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>>10285632
agrees with this

>>10285438
>>10285283
same fag
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>>10285782

Here's an example. Can we expect a license for Spice and Wolf? I'm going about halfway on this one. Since some companies will license fucking anything.
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there are no deep anime but there are deep manga
picture related
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>>10285625
that's why we get some audio editingfags

seriously, i think anonymous dubbing would probably be better than anything out there because we aren't all the same voices every time
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>>10285742
And I think you're way too paranoid. Even in the 90s where fansubs were few and only popular series had fansubs, there were uncut VHS and the like that were accurate. The only time I can remember that it was any editing was if it was going to be shown on TV.
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>>10285774
more expensive though. and slower than subs that come out a day to week after airing.

but yeah, if you felt like going through the trouble, that's probably the best approach to aiding the animu companies.
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>>10285774
By learning Japanese, you mean a translator's dictionary right?
Also most DVDs are 50 dollars per 2 episodes, what miracle store do you buy them from?
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>>10285654
The real question is weather or not R2 subs are any good, otherwise I bet even Ayako could do a better job.
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Japan doesn't give a FUCK about what happens outside their country (ironically pretty much like the US) so even if they sell a trillion DVDs in the states it won't change a thing about the kind of anime they create.
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>>10285808
Looks too pedo.
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>>10285768

Except the Japanese Anime industry did fine without US support, the model started to fall apart because of market saturation and they starting to use future DVD sales as a way to stay out of the red.

Of course you have "The Cabbage" anime that was QUALITY during its broadcast and "does not look like shit" in the DVD and that means the DVD are simply NOT extra cash (outside manufacturing) and instead a increase cost.

They are simply trying to make a run for it as they are headed for the abyss, the only thing they end up doing is getting there faster.
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>>10285283
I guess I'm not a true fan then, I'll cope.
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>>10285851

Yeah thank you. People say that they're too cheap to buy R1 release then then say oh I'll just go for the R2 then.

Seriously, you have enough $$$ for a 26 ep series at $50/2 ep release?
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>>10285858
So SONY doesn't care about the fact that America purchased more PS3s then Japan multiplied by 2. Same thing goes for Nintendo. Also, if Otakus didn't suck so bad the /a/ market would be the same as the /v/ market.
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There's so much shit because it's really cheap to license garbage. It's expensive to license the good stuff. That's why English visual novel companies are in deep shit. They can't afford to license amazing stuff like Fate/Stay Night, Tsukihime, Utawarerumono, Clannad, etc. If it's a popular game in Japan, the company puts out a huge license fee that companies here can't dish out because the following is a lot smaller and they wont make a profit. So you get a saturation of garbage and a few gems hidden in the pile of shit.
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>>10285931
The anime and video game markets are not the same.

If they were, they would crack down so bad on fansubs it would be like searching in the desert, etc.
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>>10285636
>Still though, if Japan subbed their anime in english
...most would get the guy who "knows English" to do it. Even if he made a total broken Engrish translation, they wouldn't tell him because he might lose face. It wouldn't be as bad as those bootlegs where the Chinese translation is then translated to English, but it would sure be no Neil Nadelman. There are exceptions like Miyazaki and the old Pioneer laserdisc-era OVAs, but those are exceptions. Hell, the elevens don't even do good moon-title subs for English-language movies.

>>10285717
What about that Otomo thing called "Freedom", full of Cup-o-Noodle references, and Bandai Visual wants to charge forty bucks each for at least 4 discs?

>>10285696
Of course that is only part of the cancer. The rest is that those shitty shows were ever made in the first place.
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>>10285858
Actually, more and more Japanese studio are trying to cater to the world wide audience (Boondocks, Batman animu, Big O, that fail mecha racing animu, Vampire Hunter D, Witchblade).

Hell, they COMPLAINED about the fansubbing already.
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>>10285931

The /a/ market will never be like the /v/ market thanks to illegal downloading. I'd love to see the day when Japan starts releasing DVDs in America before Japan.
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>>10285939
2 of the 4 of those have been released here. Clannad probably after Kanon is done as well.
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>>10285931
haha, oh wow.

way to ignore the majority of the FPS and sports genres.
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>>10285931
there are no otaku in america, fucktard
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>>10285939
Anyone who thought READAN GAEMS would do well in the current climate of ADD-riddled barely literate WoW kiddies needs a kick in the head. Need to get in a time machine and go back to back when people played text games like Zork and they goddamn well loved it.
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>>10285970

Dear japan, make more OVA's like in the 80's (EXACTLY like those), then we'll pay attention again.
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>>10285939
Well, America is no reading country, of course visual novels will be a hard sell here.

Trust me, I would fucking KILL to get the Suikoden Gaiden games in English. FUCKING KILL.
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>>10285985

Those aren't licensed here, dog. Unlimited fan translations work
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>>10286032
No, most of them were mediocre or shit. No.
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>>10285985
Uh bullshit. The only translations of any of those games I listed are from Mirror Moon and I have no idea who did the Clannad one. And mirror-moon is not a commercial company. If any of those are released officially in English, provide proof and I will go buy it.
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>>10286015
?
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>>10286036

I can probably bet those Full Metal Panic novels are doing pretty decent stateside. So, I wouldn't go too far on that generalization.
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>>10285970
just...just get out.
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>>10285955
It has more to do with the emulation of CD/DVD-based games being too complicated than the industry cracking down harder on piracy.
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They should keep the anime in Japan. I don't have a moral obligation to buy an anime that was not worked in America, and if they made one some moralists are to tell me to buy it because its like the japanese version? Keep your anime in Japan and we'll keep subbing them.
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>>10286061
Actually, I finally got off my cheapskate ass and bought them today when I went shopping for test guides.
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>>10286015
What the hell do you think a NEET is?
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>>10286065
What the truth hurts? That you can't fall back on "LOL they don't care" bullshit?
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>>10286061

But that is easy, novels do not require as much effort or cost to "localize" ...
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>>10286054
I think he was talking about the anime, not the games. The Kanon and FSN anime are licensed, and Clannad might be too.
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>>10286108

That makes sense.
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>>10285782
qft, spice and wolf = anime of the year
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>>10285970
they aren't catering to the wide world, they are catering to america. cowboy bebop did horrible in japan, and these did too.
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If I buy anime, people will think I'm a fag.
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>>10285438

I think the fact that the English and Japanese languages are so different is a big problem to making a good dub, in a way. Japanese comes off as a very flowing, elegant-sounding language, while English is part of the West Germanic languages, like German, Dutch, and Afrikaans are. All of those languages are very clipped and harsh-sounding, so it's simply impossible to get something which sounds like the original Japanese.
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>>10286186
it's ok though, because you are a fag.
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>>10286239

Sola
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>>10286168

Cowboy Bebop did horribly in Japan?
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>>10286186
>if i watch anime i am a fag
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>>10286208
Also Japanese audiences are not obsessed with having speech match the fucking lip-flaps. This crap is why Speed Racer ended up with such a... unique... style of dubbing.
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>>10286186
You're already are one. It would make no difference.

>>10286208
This.
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I would say "obvious troll is obvious, sage goes in all fields". However every post is a sage at this point so meh.
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>>10284168
>All 13 episodes of Kino no Tabi for $22 is a ripoff?

FUCKING WHERE? I WANT THIS.
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>>10286248
>>10286263

Ah, but you see, I won't get treated like one.
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>>10286239

Um, yeah. Even though there's the movie but I think that had to do with American popularity.
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>>10286208

I think it sounds pretty.
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>>10286208

Blatant proof of (>>10285438)
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>>10286266
Whoops, limit is 250 not 200. Close enough though.
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>>10284168
>>10286270

Better. I got Nadesico (mind you that's 26 eps) for $32.
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>>10286239
Not really. It got a Award and it had a movie.

It was somewhat sucessful but it blew up HUGE in Amerikkka.
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Saging to bring faster thread death.
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Needs moar sage no exceptions.
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Yay thread is dead.
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>>10286309
>>10286328
Age!
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>>10286350
Wha?
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ITT Arguing about SERIOUSLY about economics and dubbing in animu.
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Fact: this guy does not cite his sources.
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ITT Arguing SERIOUSLY about economics and dubbing in animu.
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OP presumes that I don't do anything I can think of to hurt the R1 anime industry, because I don't support it in the slightest and want it to die.

So go fuck yourself. Especially you, Mr. "You're not a real fan until you give them your monies!"

What a faggot.
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Stop right there, criminal scum!
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>>10284168
5 episodes per disc? Name some recent new releases like that.
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>>10283899
To that man of the article, no you fucking asshat 100 gigs of downloaded anime doesn't equal to $30 of one animu DVD. Seriously you haven't done your fair shit for the animu economy.
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yeah, I should definitely send them money so they can be encouraged and know that no matter how shitty their quality gets, I will give them monies because I like animu in America.
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Ageru
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>>10286381
Actually there's 4 episodes per disc (if it's a 26 or 13 episode series, the thriteen or twenty-sixth episode would be the fifth episode on the DVD), rarely you'll see 3.
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>>10286006
Shit that are better on PC and rehashes every year, they are the cancer killing the vidya gaem industry.
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>>10286377
YES, ELIMINATING A SOURCE OF PROFIT AND POPULARITY IS SO HELPING OUR CULTURE GROW AND BECOME VARIED!

Like /a/ after the split amirite?
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>>10284140
easy, the creators were all paid in full well before the anime made its way to your pudgy, sausage hands.

Now you want to talk about taking money away from the guys who buy the license here, thats another matter.
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>>10286431
But wouldn't additional funds typically result in a better product?
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>>10284342
A Golden Age, Truly.

Also, if the troll was trying to make me feel guilty about torrenting animu, he failed. The way I see it, we're getting the same content the Japanese are getting, minus television ads, which is a good thing.

Also, shit localizations are shit. CCS and Osaka's western accent...NEVAR FORGET

Pic sorta related. Maybe.
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>>10286531
This picture will never fail to make me LOL.

Would be better if it was a looping .gif.
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I buy a lot of anime at a shop nearby. It's cheap as fuck, Entire Excel Saga series cost me $35 and one volume of Higurashi (has about 300 minutes on it, don't really remember episode count) costs around $17.
Most of the time I don't feel like being bothered with a slow connection while torrenting and then I have to watch it on my computer which isn't as satisfying as watching it on a REAL TV.
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>>10286531
A 90s Warner Bros edit and a cultural localization, yes.
>>10286512
Future profit.
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>>10285931
Nintendo and Sony care more because they are companies, if we switch to the anime scene we are talking about individual mangakas who's work is them converted to animu. They are the minds behind all these and they will continue to create stories and characters from and for their own country, Japan. As anybody would.
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>>10286578
You bring up an interesting point.
HOWEVER
I personally prefer my kick ass monitor over my tv.
Also, True Tears. 2 episodes a dvd, $40 a pop.
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>>10286578
These days it's a tie for me. It's between my HUEG HD monitor or my semi-old cathode ray television. Though I do enjoy actually holding onto the merchandise over a few files buried deep within my hard drive.
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>>10286524
If they have a fair royalty agreement, then yes, however regarding being paid for labor ect, they were paid compensated before you're bloated mits reached for the boxset.

Why don't you contact Anno or somebody and ask if they make any money off the US dvd sale of Eva. Or if he even cares about it.
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DAMNIT where is that fucker who said Kino no Tabi is only $22.

I will buy it and "suppor the industry" as you want (hell I don't care about the industry, I just want Kino...).

Tell me where to get it!
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It's funny seeing so many third-rate series worth about 20$ a disc. If they REALLY wanted to sell such crappy titles, they'd reduce the price to make them more desirable as opposed to higher quality (Costing) shows.

Then again, walking into a fucking store and buying ONE episode of Ryo-Ohki (That final 'OVA' episode, YOU KNOW THE ONE) for 30$ just for a fucking tin box...
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>>10286578
Or you could hook up to your computer to a TV if you are not a dumbass.
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>>10287035
Don't have the cable for it, don't feel like buying it, and I have a desktop so I'd have to either run the cables through my house if I wanted to hook it up, or I'd have to unhook everything, and rehook it up everytime I felt like watching some anime. All around, more trouble than it's worth.
I don't have a really shitty monitor either, it's fine and all, but it's just EVRYTHING. Sitting in a chair instead of just laying down, chillin' out maxin', relaxin' all cool.
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>>10286911
FYE. (might as well pick up a few Geneon titles, they're trying to sell 'em all off)
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>>10287035
l/a/ziness. It is not a trait, it is a lifestyle.
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>>10287245

Or you can do this. Disregard the Doraemon faggotry.
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Holy fuck! Animu is really expensive! :|

I'm not paying 80 dollars for Desert Punk.

Hell, I don't know why I paid 35 for Elfen Lied.



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