I have a confession /a/
I only watched up to episode 6 or 7 of Gurren Lagann and then I just never bothered with the rest. Now all of the hype is finally getting to me and I'm wondering if it's worth a watch after Kamina kicks the bucket.
GENOME DIES, TWICE
If you can make it past 9/10/11, and later 18/19, you'll not regret it.
you haven't watched Gurren Lagann
if you did, you would have finished everything in one sitting due to it's godliness
This will help you make up your mind:
not worth it, dbz with robots
why the fuck did you stop? episode 4?
No I watched past that. I just stopped, my favorite character a that point was dead and Simon kinda annoyed me. Plus I was busy with other shit.
Watch up to episode 15, then you can stop if you want.
GL > G-GUNDAM
Not worth it if you've seen G-Gundam already.
If you didn't like it then you probably never will.
Though it does move away from MONSTER OF THE WEEK and starts moving into Full scale robot armies, then dimensional-raping robots, and then planet-sized juggernauts in space.
If you don't feel compelled to watch the show after watching this MAD, you never will.
Stop comparing the two. They're not alike.
You can watch AND love both. I like both.
Go OP. So there'll be one less troll around.
holy fuck, fail song is fail
Not a troll...
I watched all of Gurren Lagann a while ago and I seriously still see Kamina in every scene when I try to remember them. The supporting cast, not so much. I guess that goes to show how awesome Kamina/GL is.
I say watch it, if only to be able to say you've seen it.
It's shitty for a few eps after Kamina dies, but then it gets good again. It's shitty again for a few eps after the timeskip, but then it gets epic.
Who cares? MAD is awesome.
Episodes 9-10 or 18-19 aren't weak, they're excellently written. 14 and 24 are the worse part of the show by far.
I liked GL, but honestly it was overrated. It was basically the same premise. "NOT ENOUGH SPIRAL ENERGY! COMBINE WITH A NEW SHIP! COMBINE AGAIN! SCREAM OUT PHRASES THEN GAIN MORE ENERGY! *insert random drill*"
no, its not
And still its fucking awesome.
That's really all super robot animes are supposed to be. A bit of screaming and yelling and shit exploding to get the hot blood flowing.
it's a super robot show, what the fuck were you expecting?
The song fits, but ugh.
Awesome MAD though.
Yeah and Cowboy Bebop is just a story about a man with a dark past who died. Idiot.
Oversimplification is so fucking awesome!
I can make any anime look silly too!
The actual conflict behind each "robot combination" was unique to the actual plot development, pay attention. I hate over-simplification as much as I hate the "DEEP" guys.
Superior to Welcome to the Black Parade:
it took chouginga 1.5 episodes just to POWER UP
Epìsode 24 is the weaker part of the show along with 14, I agree. Everything else is fucking awesome, though.
johan escapes, johan escapes, johan escapes, tenma saves him in the end
gattai gattai kamina dies gatttai gattai nia dies the end.
No, it didn't.
It took 1.5 episodes to lose all but five ganmen, be plunged in an ocean, fight off a load of floating limbs AGAIN and then send your second-best fighter on a suicide mission.
EPISODE 27 IS WORTHWHILE BY ITSELF
Considering the show only gets good after Kamina dies, yes.
Scratch the first one, it's the old version.
DEEP guys oversimplify everything. That's why they'll never be truly happy.
Episode 1 was godly, and a lot of the episodes before his death were pretty fun.
The first half of the series lays the groundwork, the second half uses it as a fucking springboard into space.
Gurren-Lagann has a lot of DEEP guys, though. See our fellow tripfag Cirno.
Also, superior GL MAD: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1185421
>Simon kind of annoyed me
KEEP FUCKING WATCHING, GOD DAMN HOLY SHIT DAMN IT.
Just a few episodes of annoying emo Simon, I promise you, that's all you'll find.
BAAAW NIA TURNED ANTI-SPIRAL, I'M SUICIDAL NOW AND WILL DIE IN PRISION
This is my personal chart about GL's awesomeness episode by episode
What Gurren Lagann were you watching? Older Simon was never emo.
I didn't watch GL when it was originally being subbed because the trolling/counter-trolling was so unbearable, despite downloading the whole series when it'd finished it sat, unwatched, on my hard-drive until about a fortnight ago when I decided to marathon the whole thing on a whim. What the fuck was I thinking? It's ridiculous, and by that I mean REALLY ridiculous, but that's exactly the point and that's why it's so much fun to watch.
It's almost like the creators lifted every corny catchphrase and FUCK YEAH motivational speech from those cheesy 80's action flicks, combined it with a fuckton of huge mechas and called it a show. It's not a particularly original formula and anyone who says otherwise is underageB& but it really is a lot of fun. Switch your brain to autopilot and enjoy.
>Switch your brain to autopilot and enjoy.
You're missing half the show that way.
Just pay ears to what Kamina says: THROW AWAY LOGIC AND KICK REASON TO THE CURB
Don't, you'll half the show that way.
You should watch Legend of Daiku Maryu Gaiking. It's like GL but much better.
Cirno hates the word deep, you stupid faggot. He specifically bitches at people who use it.
Please explain the deep of GL. I'm waiting for this one
No. Use real words next time.
And here is the official /a/ "chart" (read: gaijin 4koma) back when we all watched and liked it, and the GLfags didn't whore out the DEEP and made us all facepalm.jpg
I've seen both but was far more impressed by Gurren Lagann.
What's with the episode 4? I don't remember what was in it which means there was nothing special about and it didn't really suck. I remember episode 4 of FMA though...
I knew Kamina was going to die which is why I actually watched the series. (I also watched it for post time skip Simon).
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is a fun and thought-provoking show. The overall theme is not your run-of-the-mill nonsense, but requires some brain-activity on the part of the viewer. Not only that, but it has great action, awesome animation and memorable and well written characters, as well as many touching moments. It is certainly THE anime of 2007.
[spoilers] Yes, I'm a troll. [/spoilers]
4 was the one with alternate art style that caused a fuck ton of drama over in Moonland. 2ch is like an anus etc.
The first half is not just a great series of episodes but a remarkable laying down of groundwork. At first, what seemed to be merely fun concepts, such as mecha combining, primitive societies living in caves, and battles occurring with giant drill-shaped arms, actually took on meaning in the latter half that lifted the show to epic proportions. The focus shifted from providing a series of power-ups and simple good-versus-evil battles to a fairly complex weaving of political and philosophical ‘grey areas', human empowerment, and romance.
Oh god, here we go again with the DEEP.
What DEEP? GL was just action and fanservice, and that worked perfectly.
If you liked FLCL, you'll like TTGL. Same shit, different package.
Exactly! But then GLfags started to talk about how DEEP and philosophical the series was. Fucking killed the mood. It's like watching a badass movie, and on the ride home, there's the geek in the back talking about the ideology of the film.
Gurren-Lagann had plenty of substance, don't be prejudiced.
Not enough for the essay shit that gets copypasta'd every other thread.
BUT THE SHOW HAS PLENTY OF SUBSTANCE. I'm not calling it deep, just meaningful.
Refer to >>10254633
Many talks have been had in this board about the idea of "progress" and "generations" across Gurren-Lagann's narrative, but I believe some of you are over-looking another key concept integral to the storytelling: "individuality".
Gurren-Lagann declares individuality as:
-Something necessary for progress
-Something you achieve rather than being born with.
-A single individual may begin a "social revolution" in order to destroy standardization.
-It's reciprocal. You gain individuality by your interactions with others.
“What is a person?
Eh?... Well, a person is something like us, that looks like this, and has a face...
There are others, too?
Huh? Ah, yes, there are...
Really? Are they all like you? Do they have a face like yours?
We're not the same. If we had the same face, it would be disturbing.”
It's impressive how much a simplistic dialog says about the global conflict AND the episode in question.
-Faces are a clear symbol of individuality in Gurren-Lagann. Hence the heavily characterized faced machines and the vilification of the mugan.
-By proxy, declares lack of individuality and "fitting in" as something disturbing.
-Hence portrays Simon's inner conflict after Kamina's demise. Him wanting to showcase a face that wasn't his.
-Similarly, it states the route of Nia's character development. Despite her looks, she was always one of millions: a doll for Lord Genome, a messenger for the Anti-Spiral. It's also her purpose for the narrative to portray another route to how reciprocal "individualization" is, since both she and Simon become individuals only through the help of each other.
>-Faces are a clear symbol of individuality in Gurren-Lagann. Hence the heavily characterized faced machines and the vilification of the mugan.
Here you could find an ambiguity in the fact that Kamina “stole” his face to the enemy. But this was merely reinforced the statement of individuality being something you win rather than something you’re born with.
There is also a very interesting social statement lying in the underneath. Kamina created a revolution, he inspired a broad number of similar-minded proxies to attain their own individual faces by stealing them from "repression". Kamina's and Simon's face, Gurren-Lagann, became a symbol of hope. It's a concept as accomplished as SAC's memetics, but explained in a more down-to-earth and eloquent fashion.
Oh God, SUBSTANCE and DEEP discussion going. How many posts before we get AWARD WINNING CHARACTERS?
This is why we can't have nice things involving GL.
No one cares if you don't like GL for the tits and super robots.
You're an instant faggot though if you do not appreciate it's philosophical undertones.
As for now, I'll explain how characters assert their individuality by their interactions with others through the more simplistic examples I can find:
-Kamina's security came from his need to become a man that would respect Simon.
-Simon's strength and personality came from the belief of both Kamina and Nia.
-Nia "learned" from Simon to become her own self, to be someone different from just "Genome's daughter".
As for a metafictional take on this statement, I'll resort to quoting Gainax own history:
>>assert your individuality by your interactions with others.
Has been every single aspect of Gainax since day one. Every single Gainax work owes plenty to different narratives. They've mastered their own voice through experimenting with others' voices.
If by substance, you mean all the shit that never got explained, i.e the man that faced Genome before Simon and that book Rossiu got from his chief, yeah it had plenty of that.
>GLfags started to talk about how DEEP and philosophical the series was
So that's what happened. I was away for 2 months after GL aired so I didn't know.
TO THE GLOSOPHERS:
GL is deep but not that DEEP.
Fuck you. Go back to English class before you try to give lectures about philosophy. One step at a time, young faghopper.
Stop! Just stop! Fucking philosophical asshattery! Nobody cares, for crying out loud. Is it that hard to fucking enjoy something without the constant drone of 'well the show is meaningful because bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.. and Nia is a pure girl because bla bla bla bla bla bla bla' nowadays?
>...i.e the man that faced Genome before Simon...
Watch the damn show.
GL is little more than cheesy dialog, massive robots, explosions, tits and awesome. That's all there is.
Princess Tutu is little more than cheesy magical shoujo fare, that's all there is to it.
Mushishi is little more than good backgrounds and creature designs, that's all there is to it.
No deep or DEEP, just a bunch of guys in robots beating the shit out of there opponents till they were able to live on the surface without worrying about getting killed and made it look good. THAT'S ALL.
Oh yeah, there it is.
Stop having the same arguments rehashed IN THE SAME FUCKING THREAD.
Kazuki Nakajima, the head-writer, disagrees.
And people wonder why GL gets trolled hard. Sage for DEEP
I personally believe that it only got awesome from episode 11 onwards. Before then it was good, but not awesome.
I don't know why everyone like Kamina, I thought Simon was way better.
Fail copypasta is fail. I wouldn't bother watching it, makes it easier to ignore the GLfags on this board.
It explained NOTHING faggot.
Nobody's listening, did you know that? It's like that annoying guy you went to school with or at work. You know the guy; he'd never stop fucking talking, and eventually you'd learn to zone him out into an irritating buzz? That's what this shit is.
How the hell is that a lecture? I was make making an observation.
Now let us turn this thread into a even more shit with grammar faggotry, as apparently bitching about the topic at hand alone is never enough.
GENOME WAS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF.
Oh yeah? Elaborate.
Genome is talking about himself. Jesus Christ. This is what happens when you watch something with "Your brain off"
>the man that faced Genome before Simon
He was talking about himself, you moron. He said it was someone who "fought like Simon". He was referring to himself when he fought the Anti-Spirals.
>that book Rossiu got from his chief
It was gibberish. It meant nothing. That was stated in episode 23.
Shut up, Gurren Lagann is too profound for you charlatans to even begin to comprehend. It has rightfully secured its place in the pantheon of legendary anime.
Durr hurr hurr, too DEEP for me.
G Gundam is deep. It's an essay on man's fate to destroy the enviroment, while he himself is part of it. A neverending struggle between nature and it's allies against the destructive forces of mankind. In the end, it is wisely surmised that mankind is indeed one with nature, you cannot seperate one without destroying the other.
Gurren Lagann is a critical look at the ideology of community being more important than individuality best summarized in the saying "the nail that sticks out gets hammered down". It puts forward that such a mindset is in fact extremely damaging to a society; observe how tribes live in squalor and poverty, living and dying in miserable darkness.
Only when a man whose personality cannot be squelched by his peers or the heavy-handed authoritarian figures declares that he will reach the heavens does the journey to free humans from the shackles of oppression begin. In this you can see the japanese man's yearning to be free and become master of their own fate, but fear upsetting the status quo and making themselves a pariah to the community too much.
One must have bold leadership to advance first, as Simon and all the world needs Kamina to take the first steps on the way to liberty and self-determination.
Nakashima is a professional, awarded playwright and this is his first anime-related project.
>Of course, it is not enough for me that the story simply be interesting. That is where the battle between thematic integrity and entertainment value takes place.
Wow. So you're saying you know more than a head-writer? Sweet Christmas.
/a/ what have you done!
Look what you have reduced this animu too! Jesus Christ I hate you all.
ITT we don't know what the fuck we're saying.
"A charlatan is a person practising quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money or advantage via some form of pretence or deception."
Sounds like your raving on about how it's DEEP and MEANINGFUL to try and build it up. It's a great show, we get it. It's NOT as fucking great as you keep essay-whoring it out to be.
Interview with Gurren-Lagann's writer:
Neat, thanks. Saging a troll thread though.
Blow me faggot
Most anime "hammers" the point of group vs individual. it's called indoctrination of societal values. i.e. Japanese Culture. It's neither unique to GL or any japanese pop culture product.
BUT THE SUBSTANCE IS THERE. THE HEAD-WRITER AGREED, DON'T BOTHER HIM.
I'm just like the OP, episodes 4,5, and 6 made me lose interest. Then I watched 7 a few weeks later and awesome kicked in.
Bzzt! Just because he's a professional and was given some award, doesn't mean everything he does is magically deep and philosophical.
>HURR DURR I'M DUMB TROLL
a) It wasn't Gurren-Lagann's core theme
b) It's about the clever execution
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER
Silence, cretin. Your limited command of the English language has no bearing whatsoever on this discussion. Cease spouting your drivel posthaste
Except his work in Gurren-Lagann is substancial if you try to pay attention.
Still doesn't mean you DEEPfags aren't just throwing grandiose words left and right to try and sound smart.
Are you insinuating that I am what you consider to be.. a 'charlatan'? Eh? Eh? Idiot.
And this is why you people make me hate GL
Name a single grandiouse word in this thread.
Because you're an easily trolled dumbshit with no real opinion of your own?