In Deathnote, whose side did you really root for? Did you think Light was right, or was L (and the taskforce in general) right?
I was always rooting for L. Not just because he was the best character in the whole series and Kira was a supreme dick, but murdering people, even criminals, is still murder.
I was rooting for misa
>but murdering people, even criminals, is still murder.
>but murdering people is still murder.
Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with you on that one.
I would have settled for L winning, but Near was a faggot.
I was rooting for Light because by halfway through the series, it explicitly states that he stopped wars, ethinc strife, ect. The man got results, and if he has to put a few assholes in their place to do it, so be it.
I was rooting for harem end, light in a threesome with misa and the tv reporter girl.
inb4 "People die when they are killed."
And he gave up his soul to do that. Fucking idiot.
signed, even though Light was a sadistic bastard he was justified in my opinion
And stop making such blatant references to Kanon.
Not really. Ryuk said, when you die, no matter how good or bad you were, you cease to exist. Which doesn't really explain how he saw L at the end, but, whatever.
And yeah, he got rid of war and all that shit, but certain scenes showed people were still assholes, they were just more secretive about it. I'd rather not have my problems solved by an ass who'd kill his own partners to keep them quiet, anyway.
The sacrifice of one for the good of many?
Unfortunately this seems to be the only half-interesting thread.
I was always rooting for L. Not because he's right, but because it's boring to have the ones who are wrong lose so easily. If he actually one it would have been the best series ever.
I wasn't too disappointed with the outcome, but the movie did do a better job.
ever heard of near-death experiences? your mind just throws up shit
Could it be that ryuk was wrong?
oshit I said L instead of Light but I'm too lazy to fix it
I rooted for L, because of the way he held a phone.
I thought Light had the right idea, but I was still rooting for L just cus he was so awesome.
Rooting for Light all along.
Sure, he was as arrogant and deceiving as it gets, but he sent the criminality rate worldwide down by 70% and stopped all wars, something that would never be achievable by "playing nice" and "even criminals deserve a second chance".
I seriously wanted Light to win. Because I would have done the exact same If I had come into possession of the death note. The evil people in the world really do disgust me.
L represented societal law to me, Light represented conscience. I was not so much rooting for one to beat the other, but for them both to outsmart each other at every turn. I would have really enjoyed a season of the two of them working on the task force to catch more Kiras after Yotsuba Kira.
Could be. I mean,
A) Ryuk is pretty stupid. We see that a lot.
B) Yeah, they're Gods of a sort, but that hardly means they know how the world works.
C) I just like making lists in three parts.
And why does everyone hate Near? I agree, he's nowhere near (hur hur, pun not intended) L in terms of sheer awesome, but let's face it, who COULD? No one.
Besides, Light stole 3/4 of Misa's life, and was ready to make it 7/8. That's unforgivable! Or not. She was kinda annoying. Or maybe that's just because I have a thing for smart girls.
>I am a pedophile and I am afraid of getting caught.
I'm rooting for neither. I vote for Ryuk for superior moe
I'm rooting for both
Nobody on earth has the divine ability to judge every individual in the human race. He just killed whoever was accused of being evil. He had no real way of actually knowing whose innocent.
If I were him, in every death I'd write, I'd be sure to write next to it "doesn't die if he's actually innocent." Doubt that'd work though.
Light was mostly just handing out death sentences to criminals who were already apprehended and awaiting trial or serving time. Plus several law enforcement officers who were doing their jobs protecting the innocent and keeping the peace. Fuck that shit. If he had limited himself to killing criminals at large, I could cheer for him, but his egomaniacal vision of being the "god" of a "new world" was unworkable as well as unjust.
Anyway, Paul Tibbets killed more elevens in one day than Light could in a lifetime of scribbling.
They were both fags, but Light gave some people what they deserved. He also became a one-man lynch mob.
L was cool, but he was helping a flawed justice system, so he loses points for that.
Anyone who thinks that Japanese justice system isn't flawed, please read "Schoolgirl in Concrete". That is what L would fap to.
Go Team L!
Go Team L!
My sentiments exactly. Near was a fag and he outdone Kira. To be honest i kinda wish L lasted way longer and the whoel thing was between him and Light. None of this Near and Mello shit.
It wouldn't work. Once you write someone's name down, it can't be undone, they're dead. The only factor is the time of death.
But yeah, that's my biggest thing. How many INNOCENT people did Light kill? "Charlie Smith is charged with murder..." "Charlie... Smith... heart attack... got it." Then two days later, he's lifted of suspicion.
Yeah, our justice system is flawed as fuck, but that doesn't mean you have the right to go around and shoot everyone you consider "evil" in the head. Which is what Light basically does. I don't know where you live, but I really don't see too many people agreeing to that. I hope.
Light, because he had ideals. Unfortunately, he let himself provokated and the demonic circle started.
8 fuckin years what the hell is going on with japan's justice system, damn it he should have at least got life in prison with no parole or death. 8 years what the fuck
I actually wanted Near to win just to shut that Light faggot up. "i got u beat near ha ha you could never sex me up like L couOH SH-"
OP, I suggest you read the Death Note One Shot. You seem to have misconceptions of the character of L.
My only conception of L is that this man is our friend, and he fights for justice. And he's awesome.
Flawed yes. But still inspired fear in the minds of the people, thus making sure they'd be afraid to commit such acts.
Yeah. He isn't anyone's friend and doesn't fight for justice. He fights for his selfish desire to outwit others.
The justice part was right. Outwitting others is what makes it fun for him.
I was behind Light all the way, I never even imagined anyone would support L, fucking moralfags.
He still was not willing to actually kill people himself to win. He had standards.
And you have yet to refute the point that he was awesome.
Well, I didn't say you were totally mistaken, he is awesome. Also, the reason why he didn't kill people wasn't because he was morally righteous, but because it would show he was a better thinker than his opponent, as giving himself a handicap and beating him would certainly show that he was better.
Fucking immoralfags. Let me guess, you think if you can commit a crime and have 100% chance of getting away with it, it's okay to do it? L put his life on the line (and lost it) to prevent people from being killed by someone they'd never even seen.
Team L. FUCK YEAH!
Light was right. If he had never paid attention to L's investigation, he would've been fine. He should never have killed Lind L Taylor.
I changed between L and Light. Sometimes Light was just so goddamn fucking awesome and cunning I couldn't help but go FUCK YEAH. But then L was standing up for what was 'right'.
They're both faggots. I was on Ryuk's side. Life can be pretty boring, so that makes it okay to do various harmful shit for kicks.
>if you can commit a crime and have 100% chance of getting away with it, it's okay to do it
Light was right.
Kill the criminals. Strike fear into evil.
>L put his life on the line (and lost it) to prevent people from being killed by someone they'd never even seen.
Because if you show someone your face before you brutally murder them, that makes it alright.
MORALFAG LOGIC A-GO GO!
>They're both faggots. I was on Ryuk's side.
this makes you a faggot by association.
LIGHT IS RIGHT
Some people are just trash. The only reason they're still around because the world doesn't know what to do with them.
There shouldn't be any "slap on the wrist" bullshit.
If you act like an animal you get treated like an animal.
Yeah, and the proper way to treat an animal is to kill it for fun, right?
Fuck that shit. If something's wrong, it's wrong whether you get caught or not.
Thanks for the read. It's interesting, but I still stand by my point. It basically says that L doesn't care about breaking laws. Which is fine by me. It actually fits my vision.
Light is Lawful Evil. Those who follow him (save a few "expendables") will be spared. All who oppose HIS laws will die.
L is chaotic good. He saw Kira as pure evil, and wanted to outwit him at any cost, even playing with a handicap. Still sounds good to me.
Near should have just mellowed out near the end, if he could just turn on the light in his head and see what was right, that would have been better. Misa jar jar binks by the way.
I was going along for the ride. There were moments where I wanted Light to succeed, but I never wanted to see anyone just get completely ruined. Light was better than Mello, though.
rabid dog, put down, etc.
No, but killing people from the shadows is cowardly. I mean, it takes a LOT of guts to stab/shoot someone in their sleep, right?
I kinda figured they were both Lawful Evil. What L did just happened to be a "good" thing, but he didn't do it for goodness, but for his own pleasure. Just because he wasn't nasty or mean, doesn't mean he cared at all for what happened to others. He cared about his own sense of arrogance and pride.
>If something's wrong, it's wrong whether you get caught or not.
Well no fuck, Captain Obvious. I still don't see your problem with doing something if you can get away with it.
I could care less about who was right, Death Note just fucked up a lot of shit.
The FBI doesn't send agents in to other countries to handle investigations. At least not officially. Sure as hell wouldn't be carrying a badge that said "FBI." That's what the CIA is for, and they done fucked up if they're on to you.
Having the window where most of the killings happen is not an indication as to the location of the killer, nor their occupation.
If a bunch of criminals end up dead, the only similarities being the cause of death and the fact their faces and names were broadcast, you don't have grounds to launch a murder investigation. No motive. No weapon.
For being the apparent two smartest people in the world, Light and L behave like complete idiots.
You know what happens if a government finds out who Kira is? They pardon the fucker, give him a medal, and hire him on as their personal assassin. The world's "greatest" detective stops chasing him, he gets to keep judging criminals (with better access to faces and names), and he gets a whole staff of people to investigate targets and present him with long lists of names of people who deserve to die. Everybody wins.
And cowardice is evil because...?
I was for Light until he gave the Note to Mikami who was BATSHIT INSANE. "Lawl being lazy is a crime fuck you guys get off the damn couch."
I'm all for killing rapists and murderers, but lazy and unproductive people is too much, as that would destroy 90% of Anon and therefore most of our amusement.
moralfags go back to trolling naruto for christsake. im hiding this trainwreck.
When did the people who didn't agree with what Light was doing turn against him? For me it was the whole Ray Penbar and his fiance story arc. That went a little too far.
I liked light but even all this time i cant see how someone like L would be called to find the "killer" and how light would have been prosecuted if he was caught. And on a side note i think if this would have been in Amerikka all the right wing christian fags would have thought it was the work of god and supported light and thoguht the criminals got what they deserved
>The FBI doesn't send agents in to other >countries to handle investigations. At least >not officially. Sure as hell wouldn't be >carrying a badge that said "FBI." That's what >the CIA is for, and they done fucked up if >they're on to you.
Maybe so, doesn't seem like a large error.
>Having the window where most of the killings >happen is not an indication as to the location >of the killer, nor their occupation.
It's a good place to start. Better than picking it at random at least.
>If a bunch of criminals end up dead, the only >similarities being the cause of death and the >fact their faces and names were broadcast, you >don't have grounds to launch a murder >investigation. No motive. No weapon.
L isn't your run of the mill normal detective, but a freakish secret society detective. They won't give a damn about regulations when using him.
>For being the apparent two smartest people in >the world, Light and L behave like complete >idiots.
>>You know what happens if a government finds out who Kira is? They pardon the fucker, give him a medal, and hire him on as their personal assassin. The world's "greatest" detective stops chasing him, he gets to keep judging criminals (with better access to faces and names), and he gets a whole staff of people to investigate targets and present him with long lists of names of people who deserve to die. Everybody wins.
Not really, they'll kill/jail him. Keep mum about his Death Note and use it for their own intentions obviously.
Not everyone has the ideal Light has. Getting caught IS his doom.
Yeah, I was a little iffy on Light from the start, but once he sent that girl to suicide, that was when he was definitely evil.
Ethics. The prisoner's dilemma. The idea of society as a whole. Basically, when you're willing to hurt others for your own gain, only because you can't get caught, then other people will do it, too, to avoid getting screwed over.
Basically, as some dead Greek guy said, "The moral person does not do something out of fear of punishment, but because it is the right thing to do." Go ahead and say "Well, duh," but you obviously don't quite grasp the concept.
When Near caught Light at the end, he said he would lock him up, personally, in a place no one would find him.
Basically, what some people above said: L acts outside the law. He won't necessarily obey the law if it will help. It didn't even seem like Light would have gotten a trial if he lived. He'd likely have just died in a cage in some underground prison in a third world nation.
neither, they were both fags. At least Light wasn't a creepy loner though.
I also love the way the American President and his aides speak Japanese in private.
That just makes L pissed that Kira is stepping on his territory and doing a better job at vigilante justice than him. Given the treatment L gets just for investigating stupid crap, the generic world police organization ought to be bending over backwards for the guy who can do everything L does and has the lethal force to handle the "sensitive" issues.
I was rooting for L, but at the same time I didn't want Kira to be caught.
Moral gray zone, anyone?
What, you've never heard Bush speaking Japanese? He does it all the time!
ROFL econ 101 reference! brownie points!
>Basically, as some dead Greek guy said, "The moral person does not do something out of fear of punishment, but because it is the right thing to do." Go ahead and say "Well, duh," but you obviously don't quite grasp the concept.
Yes, it is a good idea for most of society to be moralfags. Yes, it is a good idea to give moralfags more reputation so elitists desire it.
It's a good idea to keep a lot of people moral. You can be a moralfag too. It makes things a lot easier for the rest of us when we need to get shit done.
Well, if you rooted for Light at times because it made the story more interesting, I don't see a problem with that. I mean, it is still just a story. It really wouldn't be all that interesting if Light was perfectly evil, L was perfectly good, and good wins over evil in a landslide all of a sudden. A little ambiguity makes the story more fun.
But it really scares me that so many people at least appear to side with a mass murderer, no matter who his targets were. If I had a Deathnote, I know the temptation to use it would be great, but I'd force myself to just burn it.
lol at thinking you're somehow one of the people who "gets shit done."
The Shinigami would be pissed at thee, and would probably ask another to write your name. Better just give it back.
I was all for Chuck Norris.
(But, when I was younger, I would've rooted for L, but I was on Light's SIDE the whole time (especially in the second arc). Sure, Light's reasoning is blinded by his arrogance, but he got shit done. And I love his hair. I wasn't so much on L's side because I didn't like what he was fighting against, but I love L's morals.)
But they should've had Chuck Norris come in, dammit. HE would've gotten everything dealt with.
the idea is that I don't have to do anything to get the bare minimum of shit done to keep living. seeing you here in /a/ with me, you must know this too.
Curious. The Deathnote is the perfect tool. Using it you can make huge changes in society, and on a personal level. I would use it quite often to further my own ends, as it seems quite foolproof.
Yeah, but what part of doing the bare-minimum is "immoral?" It's neutral. Kicking a puppy is evil. Rescuing a kitten from a tree is good. Sitting on your ass on your day off and posting online is neither.
Light made it clear in his taped manifestos that he wasn't interested in doing anyone else's bidding.
Even a cursory examination of history shows a pattern of populist dictators coming to power by promising prosperity and redress of grievances to the population, then turning into murderous tyrants once their power has been consolidated. Light Yagami fit that profile like a glove.
Keep in mind, Light thought his plans were foolproof, too. And for the most part, they were. But a little too much arrogance and look where that got him.
Yeah, you can say "But I wouldn't be so stupid and prideful to kill a guy on live TV," but then think about it. People all around you start to die. And it all benefits you. Don't you think people are going to notice? Even if they don't, you get paranoid. You suspect others of being onto you. Eventually, you fuck up somehow.
This is why I'd burn it. Nothing good would come of it, for me or anyone. It seems like a tool, but it just fucks you over worse. Remember, Ryuk did say no one who ever used the note ever lived to enjoy it. They all suffered in the end. Light thought he was the exception. That was his true mistake.
Well it falls into the category of "wasted potential." You're at home while kittens are in need of rescue, and others are kicking puppies. You COULD be doing good, but willingly aren't.
I was torn, and that's what made it such a brilliant series. At points I was like "GO LIGHT, KILL THOSE CRIMINALS!" But when it switched to the investigation team, I was all for L.
The immoral part is not putting every ounce of your waking life into contributing to humanity. Every second you're not producing food is another second that an infant in East Bumfuck starves or something useless like that. Maybe you should take that kitten you found in the tree, cook it, and donate it to charity. Kicking the puppy is necessary to generating food in this respect too.
>But a little too much arrogance and look where that got him.
No, it was solely Mikami's fault he lost.
fuck you Mikami FUCK YOU
DEATH NOTE SUX
Sir, this is the real world. We're not superheroes, we don't know where the bad things are happening, we don't have the power to set those wrongdoings straight. A single man/woman who is not in a position of power in this world can do exactly jack and shit to improve it.
Not doing good != doing evil.
I do some things to help some people. If everyone did that, we'd be better off. But I am one man and can't do everything, so I don't try to.
Besides, what that East Bumfuck kid needs is a new government. Specifically, one that won't shoot him in the head next week. There's really not much I can do about that. Doing the right thing doesn't always mean doing what creates the most immediate good.
There is more than enough food for everyone in the world. It's just impartially distributed.
There are organizations that try to make that distribution a bit more balanced, but that requires money. And as with all things, crooked members take up half of the money, ridiculous transport rates eat up the other, and suddenly there's not much even those organizations can do.
No, retard. Mikami made a much better God then Light ever did. More FABULOUS hair, too. Besides, it was Mello's fault. Fucking blonde faggot...
It's also implied that Misa kills herself shortly after she finds out Light is dead.
Didn't Misa die too (suicide)?
Light all the way. He had the right idea, and he was succeeding, but unfortunately, he had to give his conscience and whole normal life up as a sacrifice. He's to pity.
What? She creates a cult that worships Light as the messiah.
Light was killing off people who didn't deserve to live anyways. What this world needs a wipe of the slate, and I'd be more than willing to have Light or someone like him do the wiping.
Light was an asshole.
I liked L because he actually tried to take Kira down just for fun.
I hate moralfags.
"ooh, look at me, I kill bad people, so I must be a God!"
When you kill people, you are a murderer, no more, no less. Stop trying to cover it with excuses.
Besides, L should've won, if it wasn't for Rem.
L > Kira > Near > Mikami > Mello > Misa
No, Mikami killed himself in his cell 10 days after Light died.
Misa was seen on the last page, praying for the return of Kira. But she DID lose 1/2 of her life with the first eye deal and half of that with the second. (However, when a Shinigami dies protecting someone, their life goes to the person they protected. Could this mean Misa had hundreds of years to live, in theory, as she gained Jealous' and Rem's years, if they had a lot?)
Did anyone here actually read 13 (infobook)? It specifically says that Misa committed suicide shortly after finding out that Light had died.
And Rem really did fuck it up, and a lot of good it did. Light still bought it. But I'd say L did win in the end. Even if he died in the process, his tactics and data were passed on to Near, who caught Light with his pants down. And then Matsuda shot him, which was fun.
Wait a second here, people who do crimes don't deserve to live?
But if Light killed criminals, doesn't that make him a criminal himself?
Killing people is still killing people, what makes Light so different?
He's killing for a reason? No, even criminals kill for a reason.
The only difference is that goddamm notebook.
Just found this on Wikipedia:
According to How to Read 13, Misa falls into despair after learning of Light's death through Matsuda. Misa commits suicide one year later on February 14, 2011. It is also revealed that the cloaked woman who appears at the end of the manga is not Misa, but simply a follower of Kira.
I'm very tempted to turn this into a Near hijacking, with all this blasphemous negativety toward my waifu.
Any side that Near is on is the right one.
Killing criminals with the Death Note is a stupid way to make the world a better place, because it assumes that "criminals" are the ones holding back society.
Mexicans are holding back society.
I thought they were the ones fixing the cracks in its foundation. For less than minimum wage. 'Cause SOMEBODY needs to patch those leaks, and it ain't me!
If you do. I'll join in as well.
THAT'S what criminals are SUPPOSED to be for.
The amount of people that were saved by Light (no wars, less crime) > the amount of people Light killed
I rooted for L. You know, the one that wasn't a maniacal dictator. Besides, Light was a huge moralfag.
Silence your blasphemous mouth, Moralfag. The culmination of such efforts justified the intermediary used to accomplish them. Your naivety is nauseating. You know nothing. Nothing!
Light got shit done. I can't argue with that. Making the world a feasibly better place was good. But honestly, his downfall was the whole Kira thing. If he had stayed Anonymous (lol) then it would have all been good.
The only thing that made him fuck up was his "I AM GOD NOW. AND WILL MAKE A WORLD WHERE I, AS GOD, RULE."
i didnt like Light or L
both were huge faggots imo
rooted for Ryuuk
i think it would have been kind of cool if someone straight up murdered light, near, and everyone else in the last scene to take the death note for himself
like matsuda, he would be the best surprise villain ever