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Along with modern technology, Adventurers bring the concept of a Republic to the people of Eastal.

Will we see commoners and serfs rise up against the nobles to form a new government?

Why should nobles get to hide in their castles while the serfs and commoners fight their wars?? VIVA LA REVOLUCION

Is a civil war inevitable?
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idk but minori is best girl
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>>102291131
I disagree but respect your opinion
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>>102291064
False.

From a functional sociologist perspective, what you propose is the enemy of stability, particularly in the world known as Elder Tale.

The goal should be to reaffirm the split of society into two parts:

Nobles, and non-Nobles.

Nobles are of course, the ruling class. They are born and from birth instructed appropriately on how to manage the affairs of an economy according to their subjects. This is better than the election of the best liar and schemer. Furthermore, a popular vote would elect someone unable to compete with the nobility, who will still occupy the highest economic class.

Non-nobles. This must be made to be substantially more meritocratic. A strong capitalist mindset, bolstered by the adventurers new resources and methods. Upon achieving certain wealth, recognition and influence, one may be granted a noble title to graduate to the class above.
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>>102291233

>this fucking guy
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>>102291385
Do you disagree, anon-kun?

*adjusts glasses*
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>>102291233
>>102291233
Nobles were about to sacrifice their own citizens while they party in their castle before Neet petitioned Akiba for their aid.


What good is a government which does not protect her people? Commoners should petition Akiba to be a standing army, and seek seats on the council.

The Nobles realize this threat which is why they didn't want the adventurers to intervene.
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>>102291131
Strange way to spell MISS ISUZU
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>>102291385
Its a valid argument.

Unlike today, ET's world doesn't have a functional literacy rate to speak of.

Even Raynesia, who received proper education at that era still can't catch up to the adventurer's level of knowledge.
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>>102291592
A harmful and intellectually dishonest way of representing the situation, anon.

Based on the resources Eastal had, they were prepared to take military action in order to ensure the outcome that was best for all occurred.

Even in modern day operations with our constant flow of information, democratic process, and republic based values this still occurs. Individuals are sacrificed in order to complete objectives. In an era where technological advancement is far behind our own, this must occur more so.

Do you expect members of the US Cabinet to ride into battle, or Ministers of the UK?

Each noble occupies a position akin to that of a Governor in the US. The difference is they are not elected. For good reason.
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>>102291064
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>>102291800
Incorrect.

Nobles and landed men were expected to take the field when the crown called for it. Commoners may be pressed into service and required to own a bow like the english longbowmen; but the cost of maintaining plate, horse and squire along with men at arms made the nobles the backbone of the army
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>>102291869
fuck my life that's too silly
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>>102291969
Landed men, yes, but it was rare for high level Lords to partake directly in field activities. Unless you mean they moved in the center or rear surrounded by a massive guard.

Your claim about nobles being the "backbone" is acceptable, but once again, there are low level men who may be called noble, particularly Knights. Those are not the men I am referring to.

The Lords depicted as part of the league seem to be the rulers of their respective cities and to take an active role that exposes them would be folly. Therefore their "hiding in castles" is completely understandable.
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>>102291064
>Why should nobles get to hide in their castles while the serfs and commoners fight their wars??

Too busy worrying about the goblin rape & pillage.
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>>102291233
I disagree, your system is a theoretically effective one however in practice it only works as described under the stipulation that humans are not corrupt, which is and always will be false.

While your proposed system seems sound it all falls apart when those in power eploit that power to gain more power while those with no power can go no where because power and knowledge is denied to them. This has already been thoroughly demonstrated in our own history such as the caste system of the Roman-British Empire wherein the poor could IN THEORY advance but were never allowed the chance due to those in power using their power to oppress and restrict them. Human greed and corruption tends to have a way of ruining these types of set ups as they provide too much power to those in charge and allow no method of ensuring that power is used properly.
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>>102292438
Not necessarily true.
You're looking at two castes: the haves and have nots.

You're forgetting that the middle class exists - craftsmen, scholars and merchants. They could represent the poor and also have the power to sway the nobles.
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>>102292249
I concede that point.

The fact remains they refused to call banners and strike out against the gobos; without the NEET princess, they would have been wiped out. If serfs and commoners ever become aware of this, I believe civil unrest is inevitable
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Although nobility has all the power it's the middle class bureaucrats who do all the actual work. With all the money nobles spend becoming free again they can reform the country.
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>>102292703
False.

Shiroe stated they'd lose approximately 30% of their forces. Furthermore, we see them discuss the sacrifice needed to accomplish their objective.

Civil unrest is unlikely.

>>102292438
A valid point. >>102292647 essentially answered for me. A clearer way of illustrating it would perhaps be.

A system akin to that of the United States(I use this as I assume you hail from there), with congressmen being replaced with Nobles, who are lobbied by the merchants, scholars, craftsmen etc.

The system is effectively the same, except they are not elected, and their positions are held until they either: 1. Die or 2. Abdicate and allow their heir to take the throne. Additionally, high level mechants could seek nobility in return for certain trade agreements. Progression would be as difficult as it is in any system that allows for wealth disparity.
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>>102292647
>>102292885

Its Ironic though. In our time, the middle-class (corporations) have more power than the government, but they do not represent the poor at all.

In fact, they engage in sketchy deals with government to keep everyone else poor while they both grow fat.

If anything, our forms of government keep getting worse and exploitative only because we're losing more and more available powers to exact a revolution.
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>>102292974
Yes, and nobility helps to mitigate that somewhat. Simply because the same situation a ruler creates will be passed on to their spawn. This reduces opportunism that is harmful to the region they control as a whole. Whereas in an elected system, individuals are aware leaving office for them is soon likely.

Furthermore, a substantial amount of corporations influence is based on how an individuals chance of re-election will be affected. Nobility removes that from the equation.
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>>102292974

Corporations with lobbying power are anything but middle-class in America.
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>>102293176
The definition hasn't changed though.

The middle class still compose of merchants, craftsmen and scholars.
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>>102293233

Which isn't an accurate depiction of controlling board members of multi-national mega corporations who can flex their financial might to turn a country into an oligarchy.

They're their own class, and resemble nothing of what the middle-class look like.
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>>102292800
This is especially true if we're talking about revolutions: look at the French Revolution. The third estate (primarily the urban bourgeois) was the driving force behind the radicalization of the revolution and the eventual stabilization under the Directory etc. Frequently, the middle class pushes the ruling class into commencing token change, which they then take and run with and transform into a much more significant societal overhaul.

In the context of Log Horizon, it's also significant that adventurers are probably likely to be sympathetic towards egalitarian causes. The revolutions across Europe of the 1790s pretty much happened because suddenly a big power was favorably disposed to revolution
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>>102291064
The nobles would rule the republic.
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>>102292249
A reasonably high proportion of kings have died in battle. Wiki only has the British Isles as far as I can see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monarchs_of_the_British_Isles_by_cause_of_death)
and assuming there wasn't anything particualy special about the British Isles and the unknown deaths have similar proportions as the known 15% of high royalty died on the field.
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>>102298183
There's just this problem that this is Elder Tales we're talking about. The world is based around the game and landers don't seem to have subclasses (or rather they only have either class or subclass) and the higher noble lords have noble lord or such subclass which propably doesn't grant any combat skills.
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>>102291233
>creating an influx of noble titles that are allegedly granted for exceptional service but that in practice will almost certainly be purchased by wealthy merchants leading to dilution of the traditional power of the warrior nobility

You know this was part of the set up for the French Revolution right?
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>>102298183
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>>102291233

fucking fedora faggots
>hurr durr I'm feeling euphoric
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>>102298877
>propably doesn't grant any combat skills

Have you ever played an RPG where you could kill the NPCs? Usually plot important characters like nobles are significantly stronger than the average NPC.
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>>102298964

You must be Pinoy if you can't appreciate a mentally stimulating discussion. Go back to eating dogs, shitskin.
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>>102299075
>Pinoy
>mentally stimulating discussion
>implying you will have intellectual orgasm
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Holy shit Vol 6 of the LN is amazing, especially the raid battle at the end

That whole volume needs to be an OVA
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>>102299445
>NHK-E
>OVA
laughinggobbos.gif
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>>102291064
Dunno, I want them to build blimps/zeppelins and go to other servers/lands.



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