Holy shit. I just watched Gunbuster. Wow.
I don't know what I expected. But it blew away those expectations.
This show is fucking amazing.
Is the second one as good?
It's good, yet completely different
I love gunbuster, and I HATE diebuster.
it makes gunbuster better
worth a watch
Diebuster is nothing like Gunbuster. Don't watch it as a sequel, you will be disappointed.
Instead of watching Diebuster, how about you watch Aim for the Ace?
Both the TV show and movie are a valid chose.
I personally liked Diebuster more but they are very different shows.
Eh, it was a 7/10, nothing more nothing less. Pretty overrated.
Diebuster is geared more to the TTGL crowd as opposed to people with taste.
They're both good in different ways.
Gunbuster is better but both are good, it's hard to go wrong with pre-Trigger Gainax.
I don't feel that Aim for the Ace holds up very well, at least the movie. It's easy to see why it was influential at the time, but in terms of watchability today it's not nearly as good.
I found Diebuster to be more enjoyable especially after figuring out MC is a robot so things made more sense. The girls/fights are better in Diebuster as well.
I don't know about you but I though the movie was fucking great. It just has a really great charm with the visuals.
That said I watched the TV series before watching the movie and just enjoy Dezaki's directing in general.
I tried to upload the OP, but it was immediately blocked. It's pretty surprising that they're blocking a minute and a half of a show's opening that's a few decades old at this point.
Diebuster is worth watching just for the OP, but its not very good as a sequel.
Diebuster is just as good if not better in some aspects than Gunbuster. I personally recommended waiting out a bit (like around a week) to let that feeling of amazement you got from Gunbuster calm down a bit before you watch Diebuster otherwise you will completely hate on Diebuster (for the first half at least) since it feels completely different to Gunbuster.
I was in that situation and watched Diebuster the next day after I watched Gunbuster. Ended up nearly dropping it cause it felt so bland for some reason during the time I was watching since for the first half of the show since I was still in awe from Gunbuster. Took me nearly a week or two to finish Diebuster as a result of this since I kept putting it off.
So yeah, just keep that in mine and if you do what I tell you OP you might end up enjoying Diebuster more.
Diebuster is completely different from Gunbuster, with only the basic theme of "kids in buster machines fucking up space monsters" intact, but there's a reason for it. It's not just different for the sake of being different, and like others have said, it really makes Gunbuster even better, but not in the sense that Diebuster is so bad it makes Gunbuster look even more amazing in comparison. It's mostly its own story but what it does add to Gunbuster makes it worth watching.
Onee-Sama is delicious and you should watch Diebuster because of her.
Diebuster is shit.
Onee-Sama is a fukken sloot don't lie bitch
Gunbuster is pretty much the best thing ever.
Diebuster is just good.
>This show is fucking amazing.
One of my favorites.
>Is the second one as good?
Completely different. If you want more of the same you might hate it. If you go in with an open mind you might love it.
I love both for different reasons.
Last time I saw you, you recommended me Aim for the Ace. You also said you were in old anime threads. I made an Astro Boy thread the other day and you didn't come. Why did you lie to me? I needed help?
It's just as good or better, OP.
Also best girl.
I think you mean Diebuster is everything TTGL was trying to be (over the top well animated fun with a great OST) without being a clusterfuck of poor pacing, inconsistent characterization, hamfisted themes delivered with epic speeches, and with a proper ending because Imaishi is too fucking stupid to realize that an asspull for shock value isn't the same as a good ending.
TTGL's OST > Diebusters's
You also have shit taste, Diebuster suffered from it's own problems. Probably more than TTGL honestly. I still like Diebuster more though.
>I personally recommended waiting out a bit (like around a week) to let that feeling of amazement you got from Gunbuster calm down a bit
I really envy people who watched Gunbuster when it aired, then watched Diebuster while it aired (assuming they didn't expect a Gunbuster clone and enjoyed it).
Seeing the Diebuster ending all those years later would have been something else. I cried and loved it as it was, and that was with about a week in between. If I waited all those years it would have shaken my world.
I'm a free bird. I don't post on /a/ that much anymore and if your thread doesn't trigger one of my filters on the catalog, I probably won't see it.
I made a thread here >>>/m/10367347
You might be able to help.
Everything about your post is wrong though. The Diebuster OST is significantly better. The Inazuma Double Kick track alone tops anything TTGL had.
Diebuster had some issues, but they came with the territory of being a 6 episode OVA, and it never took itself too seriously. TTGL was just bad and there was no excuse for it.
>You might be able to help.
I would but I'm actually watching anime now so I don't really have time. Thanks for the link though, I'll go on /m/ more.
In my thread I was told to read the manga, watch the 1980 series then watch the 2003 series. Seem right to you?
Do yourself a favor and watch the Aim for the Ace movie. You can find it on youtube I think.
Diebuster is good, and you should definitely watch it - but overall you'll probably like GB better.
One other show you may want to check out is Heroic Age. It's fairly mediocre throughout the middle, but it has an amazing ending akin to Gunbuster's.
Gunbuster is my fucking shit. Other shows just don't leave me feeling the way it does, the music still gives me chills.
Diebuster is alright, but like others have said don't go into it expecting more of the same or even think of it as a sequel. The very ending kinda makes it all worth it though.
Also, Dix Neuf is a boss and Groovin Magic is great.
>The very ending kinda makes it all worth it though.
Anon please. Don't downplay it for him. No matter how hyped up his is for the ending there's no way it will be a disappointment for him.
I haven't seen much of Astroboy. But that sounds like a good plan. Tezuka's manga in general have aged well and I heard the 80s series is good.
There is a BD release of the Aim for the Ace movie and it looks quite nice and vivid.
Diebuster is a mess of a plot thrown together in order to deliver it's ending. Nono's a pretty poorly made main character too. TTGL being an actual story helps it out in this case.
I'm not gonna argue with you since this is subjective as shit and I'm not interested in hearing buzzword-ridden complaints.
Like I said, I personally like Diebuster more too, but you are fanboying hard as fuck and bringing unrelated anime into the mix for the sake of shit-flinging. Diebuster is pretty shittily written, but it's still well-directed and entertaining.
Diebuster is alright but it's very different from Gunbuster in terms of tone. I felt it was rather underwhelming though. Also, while Gunbuster builds up to an amazing climax Diebuster starts off strong but it feels like it ends on something of a whimper. It does tie into Gunbuster though so it's worth a watch.
OP, die buster is very good in a very different way.
I actually like #2 better b/c there are more themes and activities floating in the background. It seems like a more complex show, especially watching it again with age. Many oldfags will disagree, though.
Also, the ending and closure is amazing. Left me tearing up.
Excellent advice I wish I was told.
Don't watch Diebuster expecting the theme of "time" which Gunbuster had because that's what made me the most disappointed with the former.
Daibuster is FLCL-tier autism
don't even bother with that shit
>Diebuster is pretty shittily written
The plot is simple and the focus is on the action, the characters, and the wonderfully brilliant world. Being simple doesn't make it bad, especially not for a 6 episode series, and Nono isn't bad by any stretch. In fact, her simple personality matches the simple story. Her motivations, fears and resolve are all laid out pretty clear and there's no contradiction or inconsistency. On top of that her final bit of characterization at the end is great, and her personality was completely necessary for the ending which alone is enough to make the show leagues better than TTGL.
>Tezuka's manga in general have aged well and I heard the 80s series is good.
Oh baby. I'm in for a fun ride.
>Is the second one as good?
Simple doesn't make it good either. It's bland thematically and unrewarding for the most part. It's an unambitious vessel to deliver a single plot point and it shows often. I guess I'll revise what I said, it's not shittily written, it's just not well-written (neither is TTGL for that matter though).
Both have their own flaws and merits, obviously, and are of similar quality in their own rights. Both also coast heavily off of aesthetics and presentation
But it's simple because it knows the plot is straightforward and not the focus as I said. It knows what its strengths are and plays to them, never overstepping its bounds. That's what makes it good.
TTGL is just a fucking mess of writing and that fact that it tries too hard to rely on that in the second half while just not having good writing or pacing is why it fails.
>It knows what its strengths are and plays to them, never overstepping its bounds. That's what makes it good.
This seems like a bit of a non sequitur to me. Knowing it's weaknesses doesn't somehow give it strength.
If anything, I'd say the direction plays a far bigger part in the second half of TTGL than the writing does. The writing is more prevalent in the first half with the obvious character development arc and such.
About Diebuster, you are just saying what I'm saying and presenting it as a positive. It's simple to the point that it becomes bland and uninvolving and the fact that it never "oversteps it's boundaries" (which encompass an overly conservative are) doesn't somehow make it worthwhile. Something accomplishing very little should not be praised for being cautious of the price that comes with ambition.
Also I don't care what you think about TTGL's writing, it doesn't make Diebuster any better.
Happiest ending to a show ever?
Spoilers, but from /m/ with love
You said yourself even its "weaknesses" are just things it doesn't excel at. Given the length it doesn't need a big sprawling story, so the way it paced itself and focused on the things it did really well worked out great.
>Something accomplishing very little should not be praised for being cautious of the price that comes with ambition.
But as I said above, the story doesn't need to be the focus given the short length. The characters are all over the top and full of life, the animation and OST are brilliant and the basic plot is solid. It's not trying to have an Earth shattering story, it's trying to have over the top space action, some good character moments, a beautiful world(s) and great scene composition. It does all of those things and on top of it delivers one of the best endings of all time. That's why it's good.
Thinking TTGL isn't bad doesn't make Diebuster worse.
>You said yourself even its "weaknesses" are just things it doesn't excel at.
No I didn't. Don't make the mistake of thinking every anonymous poster but you is the same person.
That actually makes me want to watch Diebuster again.
I don't think it will make me like it that much more but I've got to respect the guy for articulating his points so well.
And don't make the mistake of thinking jumping into a conversation midway won't make people think you're the person they've been talking to.
A simple "not that guy, but..." goes a long way.
If I'm saying something that contradicts what the other guy said then I'm obviously not the other guy.
You're wildly overestimating the ability of the average poster here to make a coherent point then actually back it up in a well thought out manner without going off topic to avoid not being able to make a point, or outright contradicting themselves.
Wow man you just called that other guy an idiot.
Mega rude, dude.
>go into this show with that scene in mind
>know it's supposed to be amazing
>final moments in the last episode
>little dots start to appear in the darkness
>oh god... this is it...
>notice tears are rolling down my face with the biggest smile you could imagine
It went beyond my expectations. One of the finest moments in all of anime.
No, I just said he could have been and it wouldn't have been out of the ordinary.
I have a few favorite moments because there are a few that are just so good you can't top them. This is one of them.
No, what you said >>102293101 implies you called him an idiot at >>102292752 .
No, I said that if he did say something that stupid and contradict himself it wouldn't be out of character for the average /a/ poster. He was staying on topic and not being an idiot up until that point, but if he suddenly started acting like an idiot all I said was that given where we are, I wouldn't be surprised.
Except at >>102292752 you assume that he contradicted himself rather than that he was not the poster, rather than just that he might have contradicted himself.
>he contradicted himself rather than that he was not the poster, rather than just that he might have contradicted himself.
And as I said, if he did contradict himself I wouldn't be surprised and would just assume he's an idiot and not that "this must be someone else" because there are so many idiots here. The idiot situation is more common than the different posters situation in my experience, so I wouldn't jump to another conclusion and just accept it. He didn't contradict himself and it was just a different poster, so he's not an idiot.
Not being surprised if (P given Q) =/= Assuming that P if Q.
It's like you take a presumption of guilt instead of innocence.
>It's like you take a presumption of guilt instead of innocence.
That's literally what I said I'm doing and as I explained it's a result of the average poster on /a/. It wasn't a conscious descision, it was just what I'm used to seeing here.
I'm not trying to prove a constant relation, I'm just telling you what I'm conditioned to think.
And I'm saying that always assuming everyone else is an idiot will just result in a shitty discussion every time you enter a thread.
I didn't like gunbuster.
Am I the worst person?
I went into the conversation with an open mind even after he told me he thought I would just fling buzzwords at him. Even after I thought he contradicted himself I didn't start flinging insults at him because he wasn't flinging shit and was talking like an adult. Any time someone says something that seems off I'm supposed to look for an alternative explanation? Why can't people just identify themselves as different posters when entering a conversation?
It's because I just can't like full female casts. It can't be helped, I'm sorry anon.
How can I atone?
If someone says a direct contradiction of what they have previously said I'd say that's more than saying "something that seems off".
>I just can't like full female casts
You gay, boy? Also Gunbuster isn't even that. pic fucking related.
>How can I atone?
I don't even know where to begin, dismissing something just because of a largely female cast is beyond me, especially when they're so well developed compared to 99% of the shit we get fed.
Check your privilege, anon.
I loved both, but Diebuster slightly more, it's even on my 3x3.
Also that OST
>I loved both, but Diebuster slightly more, it's even on my 3x3.
Wow, you like Diebuster more than Gunbuster and post in 3x3 threads.
I haven't posted in 3x3 threads for ages, I still have the image though.
Have you noticed how anti-Imaishi posters usually insult and are impolite, ofthen saying his shows make no sense or are childish or some other insult?
I really dont get that attitude. You can say "I just dont get it" or "is not my thing", but for some reason those posters get enraged and feel the need to "prove" that his works are bad. Sounds pretty insecure and childish to me.