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Why do so many anime fail at horror?
Is it because most horror anime are poorly written, or because cartoons as a medium cannot be scary or unnerving?
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You can have way more freedom with cartoons. It's the lack of creativity and good storytelling.
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I think a lot of early 90's series were pretty fucked up as far as horror goes.

Corpse Party wasn't really scary, but it gave me that same feeling that most horror movies with stupid characters do. That "run bitch he's gon kill you" aggravation you get.

Pardon my autism.
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Animated horror isn't scary. It's cartoons.

Horror manga can be pretty well done and scary if done right.
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>>102278367
You just can't scare the audience. No matter what you do my brain will never think "what if that cartoon lurks under my bed".AR
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>>102278178

cute girls are not scary. you can have the best writers in the world but a cute girl trying to be edgy is not frightening.
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Because they go for cheap shocks too often.
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>>102278178
I'm watching Another right now.
I'm so bored since all this shit is so predictable and feels forced.
Skeletons are spookier than that.
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Pupa is one of the most unpleasant things I've ever watched. I know it's supposed to be a horror, so I wouldn't hold that against it if it had any redeeming qualities at all, but it doesn't. It's a pretentious, try-hard, poorly-written hateful mess.
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>>102278178
Its weird, horror in films is obv well done and i can stand the blood/gore, but when it comes to anime I cant stand blood/gore. Whats the best horror anime?
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alien 9 is spooky psychologically
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It's not like films are scary.
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>>102279612
All the "horror" anime I watched wasn't scary.
It was creepy or cringy but not scary.
But eh, I prefer that over any horror movie.
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I don't get it either, it's not like the Japanese are incapable of horror, but I still have yet to see a single horror anime which I would consider good.

It's not a question of the 2D unrealistic style, because manga and visual novels can be good.

Is there such thing as western horror cartoon that is good? Surely there must be some obscure French one out there somewhere.
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Horror doesn't have to be scary, it just has to be compelling. None of the Hammer Horror films are all that scary, but they're still the best in the genre.
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SnK was pretty scary at times.
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The only anime that really creeped me out were the first 2 or 3 episodes of Another. Also American horror isn't really scary, I watched my first horror movie in ages a couple weeks ago and it was complete shit, and apparently it was 'really scary'
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Yami Shibai was pretty spooky, but I really can't think of any other anime that scared me like this one. It's strange, because Japanese video games (like Fatal Frame) tend to be pretty damn scary.
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>>102278178
Anime is good at disturbing scenes (for example: Perfect Blue, Akira, End of Evangelion), but in terms of straight up shock horror, isn't very good, but It has the potential to contain that kind of content.
In terms of gore anime can get pretty gory and blood-ridden.
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>>102279812
>SnK
>Scary
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>>102279776
The early gothic writers also emphasized atmosphere and dread over "being scared."
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Serial Experiments Lain has some fucking terrifying stuff happening.
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Gore fests aren't horror, they're hilarious.

When the the plot slowly creeps up to you and casually dangles ones of your primordial fears in your face. That's horror.
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There was that one episode near the end of Shin Sekai Yori where they were running away the fiend in the schoolhouse. That was tense as hell. Not exactly scary but it had that horror movie feel of the characters hiding from a huge unseen threat
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>>102279940
That fucking alien.
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>>102278178
It's because good horror in general is fucking hard to do. Most people think of horror as "look at this mutha he gon' getchu" but it really isn't. Most of the shit that passes for "horror" nowadays could be easily found in a shitty gore thread on /b/, and at least /b/ knows when the gore threads have gone shitty. Horror isn't some simple fucking genre where you can just slap stupid whores and a fucker with a knife together and make millions (at least, I wish it wasn't that way). Truly terrifying your audience requires expert pacing, creative designs, realistic characters and situations (even if it's about a fucking alien, make it seem like an actual fucking alien), and most importantly, it needs the audience to think. Please excuse my autistic rage, I just really fucking hate this show
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I don't think it's because they're cartoons.
Junji Ito has pulled out some of the creepiest stuff I can imagine, in any medium.
There just isn't enough ambition in the anime field. Or a market that justifies it.
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I found ImoCho to be scary, just because of the concept of a ghost forcing you to do such humiliating things and robbing you of your free will for its own perverse pleasure.
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>>102280017
I swear to god, the whole scene with that build-up is the single most terrifying thing I've ever seen in an anime.
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courage the cowardly dog was legit scary/unnerving at times
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it can be done; no anime labeled with the horror genre is horror though

I don't remember what it was that I watched but it suddenly had an unnerving buildup, very atmospheric, though it was almost immediately dismissed without going anywhere horror related

gore is not horror
jump scares are not horror
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Oddly, I find horror to be most effective in places you don't expect. I remember reading some Squid Girl and that fucking doll chapter came out of no where. While it could be that I just fucking hate dolls, but I feel that the uneasiness of sensing something wrong in a "familiar" setting conveys horror a lot better than "look at all the creepy things you scared yet?"
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>>102280146
Not anime.

Please return to /co/.
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>>102279730
The cold war russian cartoons do some pretty good horror.
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Something for the kids.
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>>102280187
the animated version of that caught me off guard
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>>102280280
fuck this film, never again
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Horror in the past:
>Sense of helplessness
>You know you can't win, but you keep trying
>You will die.
Horror now:
>More blood for the blood god
>Pointless laughing
>BOO

Writers/producers have just lost touch with what's legitimately scary. Sadly it's the same with video games too; jump scares and shitty ambiance with no good setting.
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>>102280348
Even Samumenco is afraid!
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>>102279776
Exactly.
I hate these people who shits on horror because they were expecting to be "truly scared". meaning they wanted to feel like they were about to crash their cars.
That's never gonna happen, neither its the genre's intention.
It's a different feeling, a more thought out one, yes, but not less resonant or disturbing.
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>>102280017
God damnit, now I've got the heebie-jeebies all over again.
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I prefer creepy or unsettling horror over plain scare factor.
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>>102278178
It's funny since there are tons of good horror manga series out there. I have no idea what goes so wrong with the transition between the mediums.
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>>102280280

I wish the British animation industry wasn't so dead. All we get is kid's shows and the occasional stop-motion film.
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>>102280448
What this guy said
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>>102280280
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc_Srg40mR0
> Kids show
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>>102280097
>Junji Ito
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>>102279620
>Alien 9
rly

you're tryna trick me to watch moeshit ain't you
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>>102279620
That got somewhat unsettling towards the end. Good choice
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>>102280553
I think anime (and quite a few manga) have a tendency to go way overboard when depicting events that are supposed to horrify. The high-pressure blood, the way the actors scream and yell, the camera angles, it all gives me a sense of "trying way too hard." At least with manga you have a little control over how you imagine a scene to play out.
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>>102280631
It's ok, they fuse on a dna level with those creepy frog hats, and fight bloody fights with large creatures in a militarized school. The story follows the main girl's struggle to accept bonding with her alien hat, and all sorts of psychological shit goes down. Also, her two friends become incredibly creepy and lose their original personalities.
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>>102280448
that show only really hit the mark on that one scene though...
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>>102280622
See that right there is just not scary.
>the stupid sound effect when she reaches the end of the hall
>UMI NANDA WAAAAAAAA
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Wasn't the first season of Higurashi kind of horror-y? I have trouble remembering how I felt watching it given the fact that every season and OVA that has come out since then has completely ruined the series for me.
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>>102280631
Cute things can be deceiving anon.
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Because anime writers can hardly into atmosphere.

Jump scares can't even work without proper atmosphere and/or tension for it.

You'll need a distinct art style for it, too. None of that generic moe shit.
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>>102280187
speaking of dolls
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The haunted school episode of Sora no woto was one of the creepiest motherfucking things I've ever seen and I shit my pants only when it was pointed out AFTER the fact.
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Not really "horror", but it's pretty fukken terrifying at times.

Fourteen by Umeo Kazuo.

Shit is.... off the fucking walls some times in terms of insanity. Lovecraft ain't got shit on Chicken George.

>>102280710
neat
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>>102278178
Ask yourself? How many times can humans reinvent the horror genre? None, because just like with video game horrors like Silent Hill and Resident Evil it's just become stale at this point. How many times are we not surprised to see the monster pop out of a corner or the human possed suddenly coming out of a demon?

This shit at this point proves that humans have becoming jaded that life itself is a horror because you see it everyday on the news with some nigger raping a white woman, some gang doing a drive by shooting, mexicant cartels cutting people up and hanging them on the streets, or the US bombing yet another sandnigger town even though the US has "killed" Osama already.
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>>102280631
You don't understand, anon.

Moeshit is horror.
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>>102280908
But horror has hardly been touched in anime

It's not like films or video games where the market was once saturated. It just hasn't really been done.
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>>102278178
go see genocyber anon
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>>102280787
Eh, I liked it
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>>102280908
>How many times can humans reinvent the horror genre? None, because just like with video game horrors like Silent Hill and Resident Evil it's just become stale at this point. How many times are we not surprised to see the monster pop out of a corner or the human possed suddenly coming out of a demon?
They said similar things about the sci-fi genre in the 70s yet lo and fuckin behold we still get great sci-fi movies.
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>>102278178
Because visual horror doesn't work if it doesn't have a sense of realism.
Psychological horror is still pretty good, which is why Higurashi's adaptation had me on edge even though it didn't even have GOOD animation.
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>>102280983
Like what
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>>102280819
Yeah, season 1 was pretty fucked up.

>Woah, these girls are getting crazy
>Shit K1, get out of there!
>FIESTA!
>Drugs out of nowhere
>Dat phonebooth
>Wait, they're okay?
>Woah shit what the hell is going on

It was full of torture, implied rape, and all sorts of crazy shit that was just outright unsettling. Also made you like every girl, no matter how fucking nuts they were.
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>>102279847
And here I thought I was the only one in this thread who saw this gem. I especially loved the last episode.

Can't wait for season 2!
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>>102280622
Why it is not a kids show? Because of some disturbing imagery?
I hate that "I can't believe it's a kids show" bullshit. Implying that they're little mongoloids that can't cope with a little complexity, a little challenge.
Have some faith in humanity, for christs sake.
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>>102280977
ho shit that's fucking spooky. i got a legit shiver down my back
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Eh, that clown episode of cowboy bebop had the horror feel down for the first few scenes. The main character was all alone, dark alley at night, seemingly impossible chance to escape, etc.
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>>102281006

Moon.
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>How many times can humans reinvent the horror genre

As many times as they want. People forget things. They need new stimulation. Every generation discovers things anew.
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If it weren't for all the cute girls doing sparkly things giving it a more lighthearted atmosphere and the characters coping absurdly well with the situation madoka could have been quite quite a nightmare-inducing show.
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>>102281045
Shitty rehash of an old cloning bullshit concept, OK at best
Cloning/Whatever in anime will never be surpassed by Rei's cloning jig in NGE
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>>102281042
That episode scared the shit out of me when I was 11. But then I watched it again about 10 years later and it wasnt very scary anymore.
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>>102280983
>we still get great sci-fi movies.

Such as what? Prometheus or Pacific Rim?

>>102280942
There was plenty of horror anime in the 90s such as Boogie Pop Phantom.
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>>102281036
If i was 7 and watching digimon and saw that I would probably cry and piss myself. That is some scary shit.
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>>102280908
Horror is not about surprises faggot.
It's about mood, being unsettled and, above all, a fear of the unknown.
And shit is never gonna change.
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>>102281119
To be fair, you knew what was going to happen. Also you're probably pretty jaded at this point.
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Simply put it's because there have been no quality horror directors in the anime industry. A number of directors, like Oshii, Anno, Nakamura, experimented with including horror elements into their works to various degrees, but that's it.
There are of course a number of "horror" works that focus on violence. Aside from Yami Shibai, there is no horror anime that tries to do something other than HURR BLOOD AND GORE ARE YOU SCARED YET.
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>>102280908
Literature, like the hard sciences, is built on the shoulders of giants. Just because many things have been invented does not mean that everything that can be invented has been invented.
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>>102281091
>muh NGE
god you are such a fuckin nerd
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>>102279389
That one scene in Hyouka is pretty scary, you know the one I'm talking about, the one with the rope
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>>102280819
Higurashi is more disturbing and mysterious than it is horror. I can't really think of any animu that was actually horror.
I am not sure if it has even really been tried.
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EVA doesn't have shit on fourteen.
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>>102281057
If that were true Hollywood wouldn't keep shelling out all these remake movies.
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I honestly can't say that I've ever seen a good horror anime, or an effective horror anime at all, for that matter. Shingeki no Kyojin and Psycho-Pass had some scenes with pretty effective shock value. As someone already mentioned, Shinsekai Yori built up a couple pretty horrifying scenes, albeit the aim wasn't pure horror. I had trouble being scared when watching Shiki, but the anime definitely had its moments. Higurashi had its moments.

The problem is that all anime pretty much feels the same. It's all about atmosphere, and as >>102280870 points out, most anime just feel the same as every other anime. The same atmosphere is hamfisted through for moe anime, just as it is for adventure anime. If you want something different, take a look at how Mononoke and Mushishi arrange an episode. There are some familiar character archetypes to be found, but the way they are arranged and set leads to a very unique set of atmospheres.
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>>102281201
>mangafox
go kill yourself
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>>102281091

There wasn't anything particularly interesting or special about the Rei clones.
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>>102281249
>>102281201
>ruining those awesome spreads with mangafox
Faggot.
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Maybe they just choose bad stuff to adapt.
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>>102280819
The VN was much better at actual horror, to be honest.
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>>102278178
Animation can be unnerving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqi5F5MqqTQ
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>>102281246
Yeah I know, sorry.

>>102281270
I've been looking for an alternative for fourteen.
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>>102281006
>>102281140
I dunno, any sci-fi classic made from the 70s - now. Also, I was specifically referring to critics of the sci-fi genre in literature, so don't limit it to recent movies because we all know Hollywood is creatively bankrupt nowadays.
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I hear Ligotti is the master of spooky
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>>102281203
hollywood does that because it sells. they're a business. not a club of writing grandmasters that want to push boundaries.
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>>102281200
>disturbing and mysterious
To be fair, these count as elements of horror. One thing Higurashi did well is the contrast between MOEASFUCK cute girls and monster-like murderers. I forget the term, something like "lull and bang" (that's not it, though), but Higurashi did this pretty well. Just when you thought you were getting comfortable with the characters, one of them would flip out and kill someone.
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>>102281142
I watched a little more old than that and yes, it was scary pretty scary.
But that's the point isn't it? And it's not like I was traumatized.
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>>102281280
Ibitsu is shit though, wouldn't be any better than the Corpse Party OVAs.
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>>102278178
Does Pupa have blu rays out yet? Or at least an uncensored release? I know it's shit but I'm basically obligated to watch it at this point.
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ah, I thought Maou-sama was mediocre but the haunted house scene and when they look up
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>cartoons as a medium can't be scary
http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=20&weekday=tue
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>>102281426
Which "Maou-sama" anime are you referring to. I can think of at least four off the top of my head, and none of them are horror anime.
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>>102281358
I don't know. When i was younger I did not enjoy scaring myself, so seeing something like that would put me off digimon for a while.
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>>102278178
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>>102281499
He's talking about the one with the worst girl in it and the big titty loli that BAAAWWW because the assassin chick pointed out flaws in the loli's thinking of Maou being "good".
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>>102281499
part time slave
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>>102281327
He's pretty good. One of the best writers of weird fiction, probably the best among modern ones, and one of the people who appreciates Lovecraft the best.
My only problem with his stuff is that some of his (mostly early) works feel too much like... I don't know, like strange theatre plays maybe? You get the feeling that everything is preordained and that everything is detached from reality, then bad shit happens to some people but you don't really care because everybody feels like marionettes. In fact the notion of being puppets comes around quite a bit.
Stories such as The Last Feast of Harlequin and The Troubles of Dr. Thoss are absolute gold.
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>>102281355
So if I wanted to get into Higurashi, I would start with the VN, right?
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>>102281449
I know that url
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>>102279812
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>>102281308
that was amazing
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>>102281644
>chi-chan
>loli
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>>102281626
I'm sorry, but Sparkles and Pixie Dust: the Anime doesn't qualify under the Horror category.
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>>102280448
what anime?
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>>102281669
>The Last Feast of Harlequin
Speaking of which.

Clowns aren't exactly under-used in horror though, are they?
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>>102278178
Maybe if they had more lines than "Oniichan" it could work
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>>102281292


Agreed, I remember reading it on my laptop in my bed with the lights off and got shivers every time I heard that one sound effect that plays when the girls shift to their yandere eyes
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>>102281668
If you enjoy reading/watching VNs with shitty art, go nuts. The anime looks a hundred times better, though. But you will still get these elitistfags claiming that the VN is the only way to go, so take that with a grain of salt.
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>>102281349
Well Hollywood must be doing something right because the horror movie series, Paranormal Activity is on it's fifth film now.

Do people really find it scary?
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>>102281669
>My only problem with his stuff is that some of his (mostly early) works feel too much like... I don't know, like strange theatre plays maybe?
Lovecraft or Ligotti?
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>>102281449
Hisashiburi
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>>102281765
They're indeed not, but the story does something completely different with them, as you know if you've read it.
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It has nothing to do with direction or culture or what not. We all know that Japan creates some very gripping horror films. From crazy shit like Hausu to stuff so popular they get western adaptations like the Ring or Battle Royale. Nips are good at horror.

Rather, there's something deep down that makes it so that horror and animation of ANY kind don't mix well. Horror in western animation is even more rare than it is in anime. It's endemic to the whole medium, not just to Japanimation.

Consider this. What is horror about, anyways? What makes horror horror? What makes it threatening when we know perfectly well that the scary things are on a screen and not happening to us? Well, the key is complete immersion. You need a main character that the audience can use as a surrogate. Someone emphathetic and tied down in a reality that we can relate to. Through this and a strong atmosphere, you can become emotionally invested and feel the scares viscerally. You'll never see a JRPG character swinging a keyblade around in a horror flick. Too far removed from reality, too hard to relate to, and so there's not that emotional investment and no scares.

And the horror comes across through disempowerment. It's about making the viewers feel weak and feeble and completely weak and helpless. Ultimately, it's all in your own head. The less you see, the more suspenseful and uneasy you feel, and the more nervous and scared you get. Look at any horror film or book or game or what not. They're stingy with what they let the audience know at any point, and many end on an ambiguous note too.

So what makes animation incapable of expressing these ideas? Well, it's because this feeling of immersion takes SUBTLETY and a representation of the REAL WORLD, which animation by nature doesn't do especially well. Anime is a medium of exaggerations and embellishments. If you can't create a world with realism to base a horror off of, all you have are cheap, shitty jump scares.
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too much censors
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>>102280362
This. It's that feeling of uneasiness tugging at your heart, that unsettling ambiance that you can't quite understand why it's unsettling you so and the buildup that makes a good horror film for me, not seeing how much red dye they can squish out onto the floor or random unoriginal monster #342374592 popping out of the conveniently placed blind spot.
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>>102281863
not anime ->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BMu_Ju1SOY

>>102281758
shiki
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I told you about the jews /a/
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>>102281744
Besides, that scene was sexy not scary.
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>>102281885
Which I haven't. Which is why I'm doing so now.
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>>102279437
This. It's trying to be "moe" while having cute little girls everywhere. Japan is retarded.
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>>102281814
Oh, ok thanks. I've actually gone ahead and downloaded the VN because I figured it would be like F/SN where the anime was made by DEEN and everyone tells you to go read the VN, but if the anime's not bad, I might just do that instead.

On another note, why did Ryukishi07 decide that he could draw?
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The foundation of horror is jumpscares, and jumpscares are harder to do in cartoons because they don't seem as real and we can keep ourselves distant from it. Comics likewise do poorly at jumpscares because we control the pace.

Don't get me wrong, cartoons can be spooky and mysterious, but that "OH FUCK I'M GOING TO DIE" is pretty much all jumpscare.

Vidya get over this by placing people into the game by letting them control the characters. Better immersion.

And yes, I'm aware that jump scares are low brow.
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>>102282009
I TOLD YOU /a/
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>>102282005
>troll face
NOPE
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>>102281933
>Battle Royale
>horror
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Claymore was kinda creepy,it suffered from some bad dialogue though.
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Mirai Nikki freaked me out because of reasons.
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>>102282102
WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP IT /a/
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The irony of horror as a genre is that it's mostly ineffective to me because you go into it expecting to be scared/disturbed. I've seen/read quite a few, but the most disturbed/shocked I ever was in anime/manga was FMA's dog girl chimera because I wasn't expecting this battle shonen to hit me with something like that. Actually I'm pretty sure nothing classified as horror makes it into my top 5 most creepy moments. Good scares are scary in context. You can't have your hopes for a happy ending crushed when you know everything's going to shit because it's horror. That chimera looks really creepy and sad at the same time because of the backstory, not because of some H.R. Giger design. If you take it out of context, it could be a cute cartoon mascot for dog food.
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>>102278178
I dunno. The cannibalism as incest metaphor was at least spooky.
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>>102281933
So I guess Resident Evil 4, 5, and 6 and Silent Hill: Downpour were scary because they were set in the real world?
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>>102281933
Have read any Junji Ito?
Like Hellstar Remina?
I felt fucking helpless reading that. That whole idea unsettles me just thinking about it.
And I don't think the animated media pushes away inmersion, if anything it goes deeper with it, since caricutarized representations produce an intense feeling of empathy in the human mind.
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>>102281865
Ligotti's.
The stories that feel that way aren't bad either (only some are), but I think he's at his best when he can balance that feeling with a more grounded feeling like Lovecraft's works have.

>>102282048
Good man.
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>>102282191
Incest is always spooky, anon.
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>>102282072
If the art bothers you that much you can use the PS2 sprite patch
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>>102280448
This scene could have worked BUT the goofy hair color and hair style just ruined any scare you got.

Honestly, Shiki could have worked as a horror but the show is just so goofy and over the top that it cease to be remotely scary.
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>>102282229
Don't get me wrong. I like incest, but I guess the way they pulled it off made it seem creepy because it felt like real incest and not anime incest.

Kind of like how Wanko to Kurasai made the loli aspects feel full on pedo by making the lolis retards.
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>>102282221
Everyone has read Ito you retard.

And everyone knows he's a hack, fun to read, but it's not good horror. Too his credit, there is very good horror is hard to find in general. Japan and Russia as far as I know do atmospheric shit better than any other country.
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>>102282242
Nevermind then, I guess I'll just stick with the VN. These are a lot better, thanks anon!
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>>102282221
Man, Hellstar Remina was good, but it had some absolutely stupid moments that nearly broke everything, like the high atmosphere gottagofast dogfighting with flying people bit.

Junji Ito is generally great, but he's a bit weak when it comes to endings and sometimes can't avoid unintentional hilarity.

>>102282313
Shiki would be good if the story was actually concerned about horror instead of being edgemax. I think that Vampire Megumi's room intrusion scene was spooky, but that was it. The rest was not spooky and was utter shit. Also yes everybody looked like retards, especially the super special vampire-wolf guy.

>>102282383
Ito has many hood horror stories too though. And Pathologic wasn't scary.
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>>102282221
Try Fourteen.

http://bakabt.me/156386-14-sai-fourteen.html

Every one try Fourteen.
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>>102282383
I don't give a fuck what you think about Ito.
I'm using his work as a response to his "animated media is not good for horror because it's a representation".
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>>102280362
Not really. Cheap gory flicks have always been around. It's not the same as horror, they don't take themselves as seriously. More blood for the blood god? Go watch any shitty Sci-Fi flick from the 50s. All the same crap.

Horror still exists, and very prominently too. It didn't die out at any point, and rather is continually evolving into more and more different forms, even today. Paranormal Activity did incredibly well at the box office, and it perfectly incorporates all of those principles you mentioned for "Horror in the past."

>>102282127
Some parts of it were. Arguably. Probably should've used a better example, like the Grudge, but it was the first thing that popped into mind, since I rewatched it recently.

>>102282221
Junji Ito, I've read more or less all of his translated works. It's very absurd, and I dunno whether I would consider it horror, but it's certainly unsettling in a way that creeps up to you. Kind of like Lovecraft with a more sensual touch.

>>102282213
Horror needs real-world environments to work, but real world environments don't by themselves make horror. Cars need gas to drive, but you can pour gas in a wheelbarrow and it sure as hell won't go.

It's only a gear in a carefully greased machine. Don't oversimplify it.

>>102282082
>The foundation of horror is jumpscares, and jumpscares are harder to do in cartoons because they don't seem as real and we can keep ourselves distant from it. Comics likewise do poorly at jumpscares because we control the pace.

Maybe for bad horror the foundation is jumpscares. Not to say jumpscares don't have their place. Hell, great horror is full of it. But it's not the primary engagement, and rather, in good horror, serves a greater cause, which is the sense of unease and suspense. Horror is about the buildup more than the release, and jumpscares don't have any impact if you don't build up to them.

They're a note in the melody, indispensable but not the whole of the work.
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>>102282548
You do know that the thread is about horror ANIME, right? If you don't believe me, go read the OP again.

I'll wait.
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>>102282533
It doesn't need to be in your face scary to be horror, you just need that feeling of oppression and sense of uselessness.

I've never seen Ito pull that off well. I've seen him make his stories completely absurd but never subtle enough to be anything but pulp.

>>102282620
Then don't post saying, "Man, have you ever heard of this Ito guy?"
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If you listen to Current 93, you've already got a handful of Ligotti

Case in point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZpEFJhO6k
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>>102280362
>You will die.
This was not a rule. The original Halloween, despite being a slasher, had more than one character survive for example. In fact most good horror avoids killing off its cast and instead gives a big hint about things not being over.
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>>102282082
>The foundation of horror is jumpscares.

So you don't know shit about anything do you?
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>>102280631
The manga is better, even emulators.
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>>102280624
>Cannot unsee all of Uzumaki
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>>102282533
>high atmosphere gottagofast dogfighting with flying people bit.

You realize that's suppose to be social commentary on how sheeple humans are they're in a group, right? Humans will do stupid shit.
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This show is pretty spooky.

>>102282735
I just shared a bunch of horror albums on /mu/. Tempted to do it here now but I'm scared of getting banned.
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>>102282830
I was rather talking about the act itself, not its significance. It was straight out funny.
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I don't think they fail. All is in the ambiance, when westerners just ask for hemoglobine.
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>>102282766
Oh you mean like with Cabin in the Woods?
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>>102282834
Zanbai was one of the creepiest shit I've seen in recent years.
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Elfen lied does it well sometimes
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>>102282925
No dufe, the world ends at the end of TCiTW.
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EVERYBODY IS GETTING RAPED

EVERYONE
AND I MEAN ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE
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>>102282780
It's simple. No piece on its own can be truly terrifying without fooling the mind into thinking that it's actually happening.
>>102282628 was correct in that it's only a piece, however.

Without the jump all you have is a lot of incredibly spooky atmosphere and anticipation that never goes anywhere. The leap out of your chair terror isn't going to be managed.
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>>102282082
>The foundation of horror is jumpscares
What the fuck. You've been watching too much Hollywood shit from the past 15 years.
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>>102282906
You want some ambient horror, go watch the Haunting or something.

Anime is pretty shit at subtle atmospheres.

>>102282956
>>102282834

Yami Shibai is one of the rare cases where I feel it worked. Some of the time at least. Notice how it

>Was set in a realistic environment
>Kept most of the story and setting hidden to the audience
>Had a lot of buildup time but relatively quick payoff
>Focused heavily on disempowering the protagonists, in a variety of ways, from social rejection to mythical architecture
>Very atmospheric
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That creepy episode of hidan no aria scared the shit out of me. Couldn't sleep for hours.
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>>102282956
That wasn't even one of the good episodes
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>>102283132
I disagree, I think it as one of the best ones.
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>>102283213
Can you please stop? We're talking about ANIME here, and you're making people who like Fourteen look like obnoxious shits.
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>>102283099
Don't get me wrong, I've seen lots of spooky and well atmosphered works that don't rely on jump scares, but none of them are really going to do more than make one feel sort of unsettled.
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>>102283176
>>102283213
Yes, POST everything that's climactic from the series, that will surely get people to read it and not feel disappointed when they aren't surprised by anything
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There was this one series of short episodes about horror, it's based on like a Japanese puppet show in a cart or something, with like paper cut-outs for character animations.

When I watched it with my friends we couldn't stop, we would sit around and wait for the next episode to finish downloading then binge the shit out of it.
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>>102283248
You seem to be new to /a/.
Nobody gives a fuck about your thread.
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>>102283080
>Without the jump all you have is a lot of incredibly spooky atmosphere and anticipation that never goes anywhere.

It depends. Sometimes that can be pretty scary all in itself, especially for something long. I think of Yume Nikki and the Haunting and Persona. All without many, if any, jump scares, but all extremely unsettling. The fact that they end without a bang leaves you without catharsis but instead feeling even worse. You feel like you don't understand anything, even at the end.

The climatic scares do two things. One is to keep the audience engaged by releasing the tension so it doesn't become a strain, breaking their immersion. But the other is to heal and release that feeling of unease, so you leave feeling better. Those works that focus on creating horror without any intense scares, ironically, tend to linger longer and create deeper feelings of unease.
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>>102283108
Is this show any good? I've been meaning to watch it for some time now and yeah I know:
>cg
But it's not like there's a lot of horror shows to choose from.
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>>102282834
Well, for spooky, you've got Current 93, again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxkBQ84Zto

The new Mt. Zion record's got one spooky song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlOR0GFoWhg

There's an entire genre devoted to spooky (Dark Ambient)
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Horror in general is very hard to do. While anime doesn't do it well, the same thing goes for western live action.

I think it has mostly to do with the creators not understand what makes something horror, they just put a bunch or gore, disturbing images, and jump scares into the mix and assume it will work. It sucks too because there are so many examples of good Japanese horror games.

Video Games and Literature have the best examples of horror, so you should head towards that direction if you want more of it.
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>>102283080
Nah you're over thinking the jump. All you need to create a jump is setting a certain mood (any mood) and then breaking it loudly. Like those fucking chain mails. It has nothing to do with horror.
I do agre with you though, on the point that the key of horror is the notion that the horryfing stuff could happen to you. But that is not inherently related with jumps or the filmed media.
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>>102278178
Well, the writers don't know about your mom yet...
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>>102283278
>Asking to be spoonfed

Look through the thread retard.

>>102283300
It's good. It's quite good.

That said, it's very hit or miss and not always good.

There's barely any animation at all. Treat it more like a voiced manga or Drama CD.
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>>102283352
Silent Hill 2 wasn't scary.
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>>102283318
>There's an entire genre devoted to spooky (Dark Ambient)
muh Lustmord for example

>>102283348
>Video Games and Literature have the best examples of horror
No, literature and movies do. No videogame has reached the level of movies like Alien or The Thing, and this coming from someone who likes spooky vidyas a lot.
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>>102283348
>Implying

In terms of potential

VG > Film > Literature

In terms of realized works

Film > Literature > VG

Theoretically, the more immersive the medium, the better it is for horror. Sadly, the most immersive medium is moving more towards CoD Zombies than Dawn of the Dead.

Spec Ops was a great game though, and had some elements of horror, even though it wasn't necessarily that sort of story.
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Anyone else scared of hentai?

I used to fap normally but then I studied illustration. Nw when I see images I can't stop imagining the texture, the bones and the organs. If I saw this IRL at midnight I would fucking RUN
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>>102283318
I know, I love dark and ritualistic ambient and C93 is one of my favorite bands. You ever heard of Zero Kama? They used human bones and remains as instruments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4JoJJCx1k
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>>102283080
No human being who expereinced real terror jumped out of his or her chair, ever.
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>>102283350
>>102283291
If the goal is to just unsettle the audience and create a strong mood, then certainly you're correct. In that case, I'd say there are plenty of great examples of horror in anime and manga that I've seen. I've never lept from my chair, but I've felt uncomfortable and invested in what was happening.

Granted, I tend to feel more sad at the end of most horror, rather than afraid for whatever reason.

Horror imagery in general keeps me reading/watching it.
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>>102283275
Unsettlement is true horror.It's a fear of something unknown, something almost indescribable, that could ultimately affect your life.
The "horror" you're talking about is an adrenaline rush, like being about to get hit by a car.
That isn't horror ,it's just a reaction with no meaning in itself.
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>>102283456
Indie horror games really do work such as Slenderman and/or Gone Home.
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>>102283544
>like being about to get hit by a car.
No, that's terror.
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You know what needs an Anime? Clock Tower. I watched Arino play it and I was hiding behind my chair by the end of it.
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Neoteny can be creepy as fuck if used correctly.
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>>102283582
You got any facts to back that up?

>>102283589
Clock Tower was a masterpiece.
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>>102283521
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0onLurNv4s

>>102283544
What you're talking about is a deeper and refined fear. Both are kinds of fear.
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>>102283558
That's not because they're indie, but because they know what makes a horror game good.

Slender is a great example. 99% of that game is buildup. And what's in it? Some static sounds and a shitty CG environment.

Horror isn't about the game/film/book scaring you. It's about getting you to scare yourself.
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>>102283617
How am I supposed to back up a subjective emotion?
>This makes me happy.
>Do you have any evidence of that?
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>>102283617
>You got any facts to back that up?

Nah. Just anecdotal stuff. Like, this one time a car almost hit me and I could swear I felt afraid in addition to surprised. May have been my imagination.

I'm all for connecting a sensor to a person's brain and trying to run them over to see what happens, though.
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>>102283492
>>102283318
Might as well share this too.

V/A – Okkulte Stimmen - Mediale Musik: Recordings Of Unseen Intelligences 1905-2007
>Collection of audio documents of paranormal phenomena including trance speech, direct voices, clairvoyance, xenoglossy, glossolia including ethnological material, paranormal music, "rappings" and other poltergeist manifestations as well as so-called "Electronic voice phenomena".

more info http://www.discogs.com/Various-Okkulte-Stimmen-Mediale-Musik-Recordings-Of-Unseen-Intelligences-1905-2007/release/1246626

sample Real Exorcism of Anneliese Michel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4n9vK0_mdk

CD1 https://mega.co.nz/#!Js40iZJQ!CVktKG2DzJ1cWXRJWVM51xbArVcJzjHUacS6q1aDXDs
CD2 https://mega.co.nz/#!k8ZQwIDZ!dyVOK1JWUTO9vrzqcq4CrTQeShBy44iqwn4b8naCwb8
CD3 https://mega.co.nz/#!F850gAhD!UvkJ3BirVOPyvtbBdgFuqjdfahNZKX7zsP47dwGoNDA
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>>102283544
I don't know understand what you mean by unsettlement horror? Is that like a strong white man surrounded by niggers or walking into Detroit?
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>>102283748
Forgot the image.
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>>102283716
That's not safe for work.
Thank you for tonight's fapping material, though.
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>>102283723
He's talking about the difference of horror and terror.
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If they made an actual scary horror anime, do you guys think it would sell well?
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>>102281292
That part where Mion just fucking laughs her head off at the phone.
Fucking tripped me out the first time reading.

I still get freaked out imagining you were reporting all your actions to the murder himself.

>>102282072
Read the VN, stick with the original art, get the SFX and Music fix, check the Higurashi fix wiki to get all of the above.
It's a good read.

Ryukishi wanted to make his own style.
It's so bad but charming that when he got another illustrator to make the art for his recent work, people were sad and begged him to keep the old art.
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>>102283854
I don't see why not. It might do better than usual. Araki would at least buy it.
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>>102283854
So long as it had plenty of moe, sure.
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>>102279812
SnK isn't scary, it's just brutal.

Most anime fail at horror because they aren't using the medium correctly. Psychological + stylized animation are what work best for horror, as well as implication, which is almost NEVER used in any modern horror shit. Think SHAFT style, even though they've never really done a straight horror series, their style is perfect for it.
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>>102283758
>>102283716
>>102283662
>>102283610
>>102283810

See, this is why horror in anime can't work. The cartoony artstyle just makes it more laughable like with Higurashi. You can't take anything seriously.
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>People saying that animation can't be scary

hey never watched early disney films
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Not scary but some of the scenes in EoE were disturbing.

The scene where Shinji saw Unit 02 after it got tore apart and the scream he let out sent a shiver down my spine
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>horror
>scary
>2014

Butt seriously, I cried myself to sleep when The Ring came out.
Maybe if I was truly a little girl then I would quietly sob while watching chingchong cartoons
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>>102283794
Well that is not precisely "unknown", but yes.
You could make an horror film on that premise.
Don't know how you're gonna get the funding money though.
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It can be scary if done correctly


http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=31
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>>102283837
I've always seen horror as a reactionary emotion. Like, you feel terror (motivation to get the fuck out of there) when you're about to get hit by a car, whereas you feel horror when you see the mangled and leaking body of someone who was hit by a car. They can overlap.
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>>102283968
Yeah, when I was a kid and easy to scare.
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Horror is about isolation and impotence.
You can't have horror with a character who can overcome all odds with the power of love and when everyone they meet joins their harem.

But seriously, it's because anime is targeted at people who can't stand to have their egos hurt, and well-done horror is a brutal blow to the ego, because no amount of "Well I'd just kick their asses," matters.
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>>102284002
that one works well because it has an element of surprise. It takes something that the audience feels relatively safe with (an internet browser) and completely fucks with that sense of security. On it's own, the comic is mildly disturbing, but hardly scary. Anime rarely takes that risk, or at least doesn't find a way to.
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>>102284002
>Posts something that's not scary
Imagine that without the scroll script, it wouldn't even be creepy because it's such a lame story.
Now imagine it with a script that suddenly pops up an image of a kitten fullscreen and a loud MEOW
It would be just as startling.
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I think this is the only animation that has scared me as an adult.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv8IezFbADc
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>>102283870
Oh, and the manga has two great scares, so you can always check the manga to get a more visual aspect of Higurashi.

>>102283968
Fuck was that Dumbo shit creepy.
And that Pinocchio bit with the donkey.
And that entire dream sequence with Winnie the Pooh.

Really trippy shit.
Don't think it would scare me as a kid but seriously, what the fuck Disney?

>>102284104
The perfect element of horror is that you are not meant to know what is ''attacking'' you yet you know it's somewhere, waiting and you know it's going to come and you have no means of escape or victory.
That's the sort of horror with the greatest atmosphere.
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>>102284113
Yeah, I'm a jaded fuck when it comes to horror and the first time I viewed that comic I had a very guttural and genuine NOPE reaction to it. I was not expecting a comic to rob me of my control over my browser.
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>>102284113
>>102284141
http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=30&weekday=tue
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>>102283990
I think it would work. It's something people think they know, but aren't close to understanding because they've been indoctrinated into multiculturalism that everyone is "equal".

Putting people into a setting that realistic but putting them into unrealistic sitition because deep down people know niggers are just chimps who chimp out if left to their own devices and being stuck in that situation where you don't want to kill the niggers would be racist, but you must to survive also dives into the physlogial things that make horror great.

Probably explains why the zombie genre is so popular recently such as with the Walking Dead.
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>>102281885
where'd you get the epub, if you don't mind telling.
I can never find a good place to grab books from.
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>>102283987
I was scared of TV static for weeks
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>>102280819
i think it was more thrilling than anything
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This had some unsettling moments. Fuck that nigga with elongated limbs.
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Cat Soup was quite spooky
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>>102284104
I disagree. Horror imagery can be potent simply because it places you in a situation of great uncertainty. It need not be overpowering to be unsettling, and unnerving.

Horror as a genre is sadly the sort of thing that attracts people with the toughguy mentality, so the edgy shit is popular, too.

This image is unsettling, but doesn't make me feel isolated or powerless. It's just very obvious that something is wrong.
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>>102284176
A very good example of SEXUAL ORGANS ARE REALLY FUCKING WEIRD
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>>102283987
The Ring was atmospheric as fuck.
Same thing with the Grudge.

Also, to a certain extend, Signs.
I saw that shit when I was 10 at school with all my classmates at night for a school sleepover.

That fucking alien dude scared the living fuck out of me as a kid.
Shitty movie now that I watch it again but fucking tense and shit.
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>>102283870
>That part where Mion just fucking laughs her head off at the phone.


Man that one part when shes talking to K1 when hes freaking out and she says that she was going to tell everyone he didn't do anything wrong by breaking into the shed and K1 is just like "Wait what?...Everyone?" gave me chills. I don't think I've ever had such a ITS HAPPENING moment reading a VN.


Just remembering the first four chapters makes me want to redownload.
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>>102280076
Sound's like someone watched Plague's rant video.
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>>102284490
Shmyaalalyana had that going for him, he was very good at conveying atmosphere. Part of why the Sixth Sense was so fucking good.
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>>102281308
I remember reading that, a work of Mark Twain. That ending really weirded me out and struck me as being far ahead of its time. Can't remember the name for the life of me.
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>>102283383

That's probably why it has "Something actually scary." above it.
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That's like asking why any television program can't do horror. The medium simply wasn't built for it. Frightening someone is a hard emotion emotion to invoke on a screen. Doing it consistently for episode after episode would just be way too time consuming. Rather, condensing it into a 90 minute viewing is a hell of a lot easier and when you have a massive budget and years of time to meticulously refine the script, dialog and events, it's going to have a better chance of success at scaring the audience. Hell even then it often doesn't work out. I mean I can't even think of a movie that actually scared me that came out in the last 5 years. Hell the only one's who even seem to be trying these days are the Japanese and even they rarely get it right.
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>>102284591
>That's like asking why any television program can't do horror.
I thought the first season of American Horror Story was actually pretty spooky
opinions
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>>102283275
I consider Cloverfield a good horror movie NOT because of any of the "jumpscares" but purely because there's a huge, unexplored world at the bottom of the sea, and the thought of something like the Cloverfield monster lurking down there is truly unsettling to someone who can comprehend the size of the ocean. The overreliance on "jumpscares" is why so many horror movies fail so hard.
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>>102279812
>SnK
>scary

2spooky4u?
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>>102284723
>overreliance

Yes, overusing anything is bad. This is thread is showing us that defining horror is difficult at best, though.
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>>102284500
The true beauty of Higurashi is that it created an entire background of shit happening with demons, conspiracy, backstabbing and you had no clue what the fuck was going on.

The moment where Rika goes up to you and just straight up asks you if you did anything wrong and you know she's just 10 and shit just fucks you over.
She goes all moe and says that ''the cat did something he really shouldn't have'' and then says she will fight to keep you safe.

I really got the sense that there was a big epic demon conspiracy and battle with fate and shit going in the background.

Higurashi is really great and really creeped me out.
Not to mention the endless amounts of twist it kept doing non stop.

>>102284545
It's ''the entire damned human race'' iirc.
I love Mark Twain but the guy was really being cynical as fuck before he died.
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>Is it because most horror are poorly written

Fixed for you
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>>102282055
Idk Higurashi creeped me the fuck out most of the time
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>>102283544
>Unsettlement is true horror.It's a fear of something unknown, something almost indescribable, that could ultimately affect your life.
This. The best horror leaves the job of scaring you to your imagination. Any attempt by the filmmakers to scare you is just a hamfisted failure to deliver true horror on their part.
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>>102281201
>manga fox

The fuck is wrong with you?
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>>102284800
This. The contrast worked for the series. Something that seems safe becoming terrifying is a good way to do horror.
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>>102284104
makes me think about some articles of the foundation, (wich i dont actually consider scary but entertaining)

yeah we can contain al this nightmares here, but one small fuckup in procedure and all hell breaks loose and then we nuke it,
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>>102284790

No, it wasn't that, although I can see its reflection in that story. It was The Mysterious Stranger, and this is the last bit from it:

, "In a little while you will be alone in shoreless space, to wander its limitless solitudes without friend or comrade forever--for you will remain a thought, the only existent thought, and by your nature inextinguishable, indestructible. But I, your poor servant, have revealed you to yourself and set you free. Dream other dreams, and better!...You perceive, now, that these things are all impossible except in a dream. You perceive that they are pure and puerile insanities, the silly creations of an imagination that is not conscious of its freaks - in a word, that they are a dream, and you the maker of it. The dream-marks are all present; you should have recognized them earlier. It is true, that which I have revealed to you; there is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all a dream - a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but you. And you are but a thought - a vagrant thought, a useless thought, a homeless thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!"

Really spooked me as a kid reading that.
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>>102283943
>this is why horror in anime can't work.

Do you even shaft? I mean just imagine the trying to animate some terror with their older experimental animation, shit's cash.
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>>102284809
Well I agree on that definition too and I think there are directors that got me pretty unsettled and thinking a lot weird shit after I watched their films.
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>>102284948
Too bad SCP has been dead for almost as long as TVTropes.

Well maybe not that long.

Hell if you want something really scary, just look how fast it is for sites to die from within and the powerlessness of everyone else around them to change the flow. If that doesn't make someone feel helplessness I don't know what does.
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>>102284800
I was laughing most of the time actually. Especially at the fight between Keiichi and Rena, that QUALITY was fantastic
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>>102282956
o yes this gave me chills in my spine. I crave for more like this but no horror anime/manga/movies do it for me anymore.
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>>102284895
Not even just the contrast.

The scene where Mion (or Shion, my memory doesn't serve me too well) pops out, blood all over her face, and stabs Keiichi in the hospital bed, scared the shit out of me.
I guess you can call it cheap because it was a jump scare, but it was completely unexpected.
Also when Rika kills herself, that's pretty brutal.
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>>102283987
>>horror

That's because suspense is way superior.
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>>102285118
Not everything works for everyone.
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>>102285111
>Too bad SCP has been dead for almost as long as TVTropes.
they may not have the same quality as before, but they just broke the 2000 mark, not counting the stories.
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I like reading horror manga, but I'm too much of a pussy and can't finish shit.

I was really enjoying Fuan no Tane and some Junji Ito stuff, but I couldn't keep going after a while.
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Would /a/ watch an anime adaptation of Stephen King's IT?
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>>102285177
No, they've died a far worse death than that. After all, tvtropes has that kind of growth too.

Even tumors grow.
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>>102285181
I keep seeing untranslated chapters of Fuan No Tane which I thought was pretty spooky

>did we read the same manga
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>>102285118
Higurashi had its moments, both silly and psychotic. Most of the time the bloody murder/torture scenes were over the top and not very frightening. I was more scared during tense parts, like when Rena was outside Keiichi's house whispering "I'm sorry".
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>>102285188
No, because IT is SHIT.
I have no idea why it's so popular among people.
I would much prefer Misery, Gerald's Game, Lisey's Story, or pretty much anything written under his pseudonym.
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>>102285124
>Also when Rika kills herself, that's pretty brutal.
It was also handled pretty well. We were following the mind of a psychotic person in the grips of paranoia at the time and seeing her react to the sheer "Everything is broken" of it, was also deeply unsettling, as you can tell it pushed her already crazy mind much further over the edge.
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>>102285188
I don't know.
I mean yes, the scary parts can look great, but what about the rest? What about King's portrait of the american suburbia, the fifties and the small towns?
I mean, yeah, they could adapt it to a little jap town, but it would be really It?
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Screaming Lessons is my favorite horror manga series.

It's not scary, but it's entertaining. Tales from the Crypt style short stories with a shoujo art style and heavy horror elements.
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>>102285029
That's the one.
I knew it was his last novel but I couldn't remember the name.

>>102285124
The VN does it better.
In the anime, Rika just pokes her head to death with a knife on the wall.
In the VN, Rika repeatedly stabes herself in the neck as hard and as fast as she can with one hand while clawling the living fuck out of her neck with the other hand.
Then she drops the knife and uses all of her nails to claw whatever was left of her neck.
All with Shmion commenting on how beautiful of a dance it is.

Fucking trippy shit when you realize you were playing games with these chicks and shit a couple of chapters ago.

>>102285188
The book was decently spooky (and what the fuck was with that underground orgy, seriously?) with the movie being meh imo.
An anime wouldn't do it justice.

Salem's lot, on the other hand, I'd love to see animated but I doubt it would work.

>>102285307
Misery's good too. Movie adaptation of it is also pretty solid.
Nearly all the things he wrote at the beginning or under his pseudonym were pretty good.

I though the Long Walk wasn't that good to be honest but that's just me.
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>>102285307
>Misery
muh nigga
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>>102285307
IT was shit for a number of reasons, but it's possible for adaptations to strip a lot of flaws from original material (though that doesn't happen that often).

Misery and Salem's Lot were pretty good.
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>>102284176
I can fap to this,
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>>102285328
The great thing about it is that it really doesn't show much of the gore.
It lets your mind fill in the blank.
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>>102285304
That was a great moment. The torture scenes and the like were maybe more to set the "reward" for getting this far and to highlight the madness we'd descend to again in the next arc.

Rika's suicide was a bit of an exception in that it enhanced the uncertainty further, instead of just being what it was leading up to.
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>>102285406
>>102285423

>Salem's Lot
It's already been done, it's called Shiki
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>>102285406
Salem's Lot was fun, yeah. I like that they touch back with the priest from that in the Dark Tower.

The Long Walk wasn't spooky (and the ending was just okay) but I really liked it because it was honestly just an interesting story.
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>>102285406
I'm not surprised. The animation studio probably couldn't go as hard as the VN. How did they handle the torture scene with Shion and Satoko? They didn't even show her nails getting ripped off in the anime, they just implied it.
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>>102285304
I was more scared when she tried to get in.
Or when you found out she was behind you, listening to the whole conversation.

I mean, what the fuck man?

And even at the end of the VN, when you learn the truth, it still makes no sense why she kept listening for so long.
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You say that about anime but I can't think of any horror TV shows either. I think the problem is more to do with length; it's very hard to establish the necessary atmosphere and create enough tension in 24 minutes, then follow it up with substance. It usually ends up having one or the other, or simply half assing both.
Even if it does achieve them, when you have to wait
a week for another episode you lose any fear you had previously and it has to build it all up again.
Though horror can still work well in short stories, they're generally based off common fears not requiring g depth or have a twist of some kind that makes you dwell on the story and unnerve for a while after finishing it.

Or maybe it's just because seeing animated people frightened doesn't trigger the same response as live action would/Japanese authors in general lack any semblance of subtlety
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>>102285406
>what the fuck was with that underground orgy, seriously?
Stephen King tends to use child sexuality as a way to disturb people, because it helps impliment the feeling that things just aren't going as they should here, and keeps the atmosphere unsettling throughout even when it's not full spooky. Helps keeps readers off balance in other words.
However, I do admit I shamefully fapped to the the father/daughter scene in Gerald's Game
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>>102285479
It was also an interesting look into her character that would be developed a lot in season 2.
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>>102279940
>that sister who loses her mind
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>>102285540
>How did they handle the torture scene with Shion and Satoko?
Terrible.

It's stab stab arrghhhh stab stab stab MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA I'M FUCKING INSANE.

The VN was fucking destructive on both end, the anime really fucked that scene.
That entire portion where Shion realizes that she basically killed the one thing she promised to protect while seeing delusions and shit was not in the anime, which is sad because the VN really kept fucking Shion over and over as all her actions were shown to be completely pointless one after another whereas the anime showed that she was just insane.

I think the good thing the anime did was simply imply the scenes rather than show it.
That entire nail removal would have been less shocking if you actually saw it rather than just hearing the ''crack''.
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>>102285581
Oh fuck I nearly forgot about that part. That moment when Keiichi's mom asks her who that friend was that came by. Not many shows can create that heart sinking feeling so well.
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Anime adaptation when?
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>>102285676
>season 2

Yeah. A shame season 2 was... kind of... you know. It failed. I'm glad we got a happy ending, but fuck me, that was not how you end a horror story.

It even made sense that they were slowly becoming aware of the loop, getting stronger for all their past experience, but it just seemed far too easy and light hearted for what it should have been.
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>>102285743
Yeah, even though I didn't see it, I still fucking cringed.
I don't remember Shion really being well developed as a character in the anime. The major ones were Rika and Rena.
I think Rena creeped me out the most. Something about her was just so unbelievably sinister. She wasn't just cuh-razy like Mion or Shion, she was evil to the core.
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Some older anime has creepy stuff.

Lily C.A.T. was quite creepy.
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>>102285846
I liked it. It didn't live up to season one of course, but I didn't care. I finally got answers and character development. I needed a damn good reason for why Miyo was such a bitch, and I got it.
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>>102285641
Yeah but it honestly just comes out of nowhere, the gang has a fucking orgy to ''strengthen their bond'' and it's never mentioned again.

>>102285846
The only thing S2 did right, compared to the VN, was show a loop from the point of view of Satoko with hints that Rika knew what was going on before we are shown directly from Rika's point of view and we connect the dots.

That portion was entire anime only and was decently well made to be honest.
That entire portion where Satoko is on life support and then mysterious gets killed by someone and then that cop just starts begging the living fuck out of a dead girl to tell him the truth. Fucking brutal.

Until that reveal with Rika, you could sense that ''someone was outside, likely the murderer'' and it was creepy.

>>102285911
Oh, in that regards, it did a great job.
The one thing the anime did well was make you cringe and keep you in horror.
On it's own, it's a pretty decent anime, but the VN goes miles ahead.

Shion is given a bit more depth, not much mind you but whatever.
Rena however, the anime fucked.

There's an entire brilliant twist given from the point of view of Keiichi as he finds out all the shit that happened in the first arc were a delusion. And you can see him struggle to try and reach Rena who's clearly lost her mind to get her to get some sense back.
You could actually see the madness in her eyes and nothing could stop her from ''saving everyone'' by killing them.

The best part of Higurashi is that it makes you think that one person is the killer and then you find out that the person was always innocent and it keeps changing one after another.
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>>102284800
Agreed.
I haven't completed all of the arcs (I've been meaning to do so for quite a while), but I remember reading it quite late at night and being quite perturbed. One thing I remember particularly is the interview with Keiichi at the end of an arc, and the "extra footstep". Very unnerving.
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>>102285911
Also, I highly recommend you either read the manga or actually read the VN, even if you know most of the details from watching the anime, it goes a long way and goes into more depth than you think it does and will likely make you rage in parts where the anime didn't touch.
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>>102284686
The guy you replied to here.

>American Horror Story

Oh you can just fuck the hell off. I just got done watching 3 seasons of that piece of shit and not a single moment was scary. Hell they stopped even trying by season 3.

The only, I repeat, THE ONLY scary moment in a TV show was on an episode of Twin fucking Peaks of all things. It's when Shelly wakes up to find an abused Leo is missing, implying he has awakened from his vegetative state. The scene when he attacks them was amazingly well done. It's episode 14 of season 2. Shame I can't find a youtube clip.
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>>102284591
I thought Hannibal was pretty scary. Not the gore parts but the more psychological parts with that deer. Fuck that deer.
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>>102283940
>SHAFT
It makes me remember, madoka could be really scary if they wanted, those "dimensions" were already fucked up, If I were in the middle of a place like that, I would freak out.
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>>102286162
>The best part of Higurashi is that it makes you think that one person is the killer and then you find out that the person was always innocent and it keeps changing one after another.

Definitely. You couldn't believe my shock when it turned out Keiichi was the delusional one in the first arc. That's when I knew I was in for one wild ride.
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ghost stories with the comedy dub is p. cool
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>>102283403
>No video game has reached Aliens or The Thing

The Thing is a horror thriller that revolves around anticipation and mystery, the same goes for Alien except in its case it's suspense and mystery. Many games do what they do better in an immersive way, the early Silent Hill games and Eternal Darkness come to mind.

In the case that we are at a point where our tastes just differ, can you give me some examples of your favorite "spooky dooky" games?
>>102283456
It sounds like you've only been playing video games for the past five years, only the well known ones at that.
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>>102286409
It's actually decently creepy at times but I can't fuily take it seriously when the goddamn dub cracks me up.
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>>102282834
Fuck all the jump scares. Like almost all the episodes end in them. And the worst part is most of them get me. It does a great job at setting up the atmosphere and building up the tension to that jump scare.
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>>102278178
Its because there is a massive cultural gap in what is considered spooky.
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>>102286246
I think it's been long enough since watching the anime that I'll get enjoyment out of reading the VN.
Also since I know some important plot details I might catch some hints that I didn't notice or something.
I never knew about the VN because I heard about Higurashi from my friend, not /a/.
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>>102286252
I said it was spooky, not scary. And I didn't even finish the 2nd and 3rd seasons because they were trash.
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>>102286422
>that part in The Thing where they do the test and there's a jump scare out of fucking nowhere
>that part where the doctor does a CTR
>That part where The Thing turns into a fucking spider

I watched that fucking movie when I was 12. I was scared shitless for years.

>>102286488
There's really only one hint, the part where Keiichi is in a car with Takano, that you actually could have noticed shit was wrong everywhere.
You do get more hints that people are more involved everywhere, more so than in the anime.
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>>102286544
But the first season is the worst one.
The other two aren't really horror, but at least they're somewhat interesting.
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>>102286596
>finding feminist harry potter the slightest bit interesting
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Episodes 20 + 21 of Texhnolyze are probably the best examples of horror I can think of.
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Actually if you take an aggregated average anime is probably scarier than western horror, purely because of the SciFi channel.
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>>102286722
I'm sure there were good horror episodes in StarGate SG-1.

Can't think of any but I'm sure there were.
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I for one prefer erotic horror, and any medium can do that well enough. Sexual imagery and horror go together well, though I like to focus less on the edge and more on the strangeness.

Take Saya no Uta. It was honestly better for the fact that the main character was a far worse person than the horrible abomination he was fucking.
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>>102286710
And season 1 was better how, exactly?
Season two was shit if only because "But then aliens!", season three was at LEAST consistant with the story it was telling.
I wanted to see what would happen, and I'm not saying it was great although I'm pretty easily satisfied and I enjoyed it but it was at least better than season one.
Season one was trash.
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>>102286252
Do you even X-files?
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It is only me, or scary games are much scarier than any scary videos?
I rarely get scared watching those "scary" zombie movies, but when I was playing yume nikki/Ib/Madfather/etc... I always advance as slow as I can, and retreat at anything that looks like it can move.
Is it because I am self inserting in the game? Or is it because most horror movie characters are dumb as fuck(emphasis in most)?
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>>102286722
What about Fringe?
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>>102286793
>I prefer that one thing that did it, like Saya
You honestly can't tell me another thing that did erotic horror.
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Sup guys
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>>102286845
Immersion and atmosphere.
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>>102286888
I dunno, off the top of my head, let's go with the fucking OP pic and then Kemonozume.

It's a genre.
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>>102286845
Probably a mix of both. When you have direct control of the character, it feels like it's a part of you and ultimately your decisions are what holds the character's life in balance.
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I think horror works best when it leaves you with a vague sense of unease. It doesn't have to have jump scares of gore. It just needs to throw you off balance psychologically.
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>>102286848
>>102286792
Do you know how many horrendously bad "horror movies" they've put out at this point? I would guess hundreds.
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>>102286596
I was entertained by the character drama in the first one. I know, I was rather surprised myself. I lost interest and wandered off while watching the 2nd season when the demon was expelled from the asylum and I straight up dropped the 3rd season because I'm actually writing a spooky story set in New Orleans and holy fucking god the writers got so much wrong about New Orleans and voodoo. There's a ton of neat shit there you can work with that is genuinely fucked up but they obviously didn't give much of a shit about trying to represent any part of New Orleans culture accurately. The whole thing felt extremely shallow. I mean, for example Marie Laveau was historically both a respected voodoo queen and a devout Catholic, and they portray her as this greedy devil-witch bitch. It's that kind of half-assed "I'm just going to create a character and slap a famous name on it" writing that really bugs me.
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>>102286595
Downloading now. Any idea how the ps2 or DS games are? Oh and are there any patches/fixes that I should know about?
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>>102286893
Speaking of which, the third season of Digimon had some really fucking creepy shit.
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I honestly don't understand why no one has tried to do an Uzumaki adaptation. It'd sell like crazy and has the potential to be fucking great, real horror from Junji "My brain is full of fuck" Ito.

Really, the Gyo movie was shit, but Uzumaki has a lot more potential due to its lenght, just adapt one chapter per episode.
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>>102286819
3 was consistent but it abandoned everything to appeal to the teenage girl audience. At least you can appreciate that 1 and 2 tried. I can only assume you're a chick because that shit couldn't appeal to any man on this planet.

>teenage girl dear diary narration in the first fucking second
>obese girl hoping to get a some magic bull man who's trying who she's never met before to fuck her all while masturbating out of loneliness
>christian mom douching a strong 18 year old boy for having for speaking with the down syndrome neighbor girl

Yeah.....
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Also, since there's been discussion of Higurashi, I highly recommend people read Higanbana.
Basically bullying shenanigans with ghost, magic monsters and shit. Also Rabbit rape. Because you can't have weird shit like that.
It recently got fully translated and it's good.

The stories are short and well done, I really recommend it.
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I tried reading Fourteen, I really did. But I just can't get through it without laughing.
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>>102287062
Oh, well, I can see why you wouldn't like it then.
I don't know much about new orleans voodoo or really anything much about new orleans at all.
Are there any books you'd suggest so I could learn more about it? It's a pretty interesting topic, but I've never really looked into it.
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>>102281668
dude, at the very least watch the first 4 episodes, that shit was GREAT.

the first 2 story arcs of the first season were truly great in my opinion.


also dont confuse Higurashi no naku koro ni (1st season) with Higurashi no naku koro ni kai (I thinks thats what the second season was called)
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>>102287128
some magic bull man who's trying to kill her*
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Was anyone else disappointed by the Yume Nikki manga? It's feels like I'm reading a LP and it completely messes with the story of the game.
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>>102287007
My guess is that spooky movies sells better than scary ones.I know people who can't sleep after watching movies like rec, if they watched heavier shit, they may shut themselves home for a week. I don't need to say how she would recommend the movie to anyone who asked.
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>>102285836
When they learn how to do justice to the opening murder sequence.
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In the horror animes I've seen personally the writing and direction were poor, but even if they were better written I still doubt they'd scare me unless the style was a big departure from mainstream anime style. Stylized anime cartoon characters just aren't scary.

Japan can do horror, they've made some good horror video games and movies (inb4 it's all long haired ghost girls), but I agree with >>102279389.
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>>102287156
It was written from simpler times.
Premise is fucking looney though
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>>102286829
X-files was fun, but never down right scary.
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>>102287177
A New Orleans Voudou Priestess: The Legend and Reality of Marie Laveau is a good place to start.
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>>102287230
wasn't this strip made by some Mexican guy
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>>102287208
I haven't tried to catch up. I was hyped when it was announced, but it is coming really slow.
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>>102287101
considering how well Madhouse handled the waves/whirlpools during Morel's fight in HxH, I could see them doing the later chapters of Uzumaki
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>>102286888
>You honestly can't tell me another thing that did erotic horror.
Sankarea.

The premise of the manga is that the woman is loving the capacity to tell the difference between desire to fuck and desire to consume, leading her to try and eat the protagonist when she's aroused or even feeling especially affectionate. It isn't played for laughs.

Also, Pupa, which is in the first post in this thread.
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>>102279437

Ever seen Audition?

It's not jump out of your seat 'scary', but it'll probably make your stomach drop.
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>>102287230
>animes
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>>102287230
That's just crazy.
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>>102287128
>Girls on /a/
>Girls watching anime
>Girls having hobbies
Hue. No.
I never really thought about any of that, but like I said I'm very easy to please when it comes to western shows (probably because I never really watch all that much). I wasn't watching it for the horror, but rather to see what would happen with the characters. The matriarch was pretty interesting and although it was obvious she wouldn't win, I wanted to know what happened.
You're right about them not trying with the horror for the third season though, season 2 was a pretty good middle ground between not being boring and being a tiny bit spooky, but like I said aliens ruined it for me.

>>102287266
Neat, I'll be sure to check if my library has it when I next go.
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>>102283080
>Without the jump all you have is a lot of incredibly spooky atmosphere and anticipation that never goes anywhere

Do jumpscares even exist in novel form? And yet the book medium seems to be, by far, the be the most effective medium through which to publish horror. Stuff like Pet Semetery is scary as hell.
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>>102287086
Stay completely the fuck away from the PS2 sprites.
They are completely bad and soulless, with like two sprites for each characters.

It'll take a while for you to get used to the art but it does wonders once you get to the end and the spirtes actually fuck up in one very important scene.

Simply google ''Higurashi fix wiki'' and get everything except the PS2 sprites. Especially the music and SFX patch.

>>102287187
The VN actually puts more emphasis on the paranoia than the anime but I do agree that the first four episodes were tense as fuck and I do recommend people watching the first four episodes of the anime and then reading the VN again because the VN at the beginning is a bit all over the place but not terribly bad.
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>>102287329
>loving
Lacking, do you mean?
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>>102287187
Yeah you're correct.
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>>102286888
I dunno, I ended up searching for doujins after reading Ibitsu, was kinda disappointed when nothing related came up.
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>>102287333
You talking about the 1999 movie?
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I know this isnt anime but fuck this movie scared the ever living shit out of me

No anime gave me the feeling of dread that this movie has in animated format
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>>102287342

Sorry, plurals in grammar are not my friend.
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>>102287370
I think I downloaded the PS2/PC hybrid version. I'll probably find a fix or something.
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>>102287374
Losing, I meant.

Though she does admit that she thinks her inevitable devouring of him is romantic in a way.
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>there will never be a Twin Peaks style anime
Although I do see the red room referenced in a ton of shows.
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>>102287208
It would be better without dialogue, but manga loves expositional dialogue the way American comics love their narration boxes.
I like it anyway because it's Hitoshi Tomizawa doing the art. Some people already mentioned Alien 9 earlier. That and Milk Closet really take the cake with weird horror.
Too bad Battleship Yumihari just wasn't as good. Propeller Heaven is neat, but it's next to impossible to find except second hand copies on auction sites.
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>>102287460
Go for erodownload or get the one from nyaa.
I'm not sure you can ''unfix'' the PS2 sprites.
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>>102287440

Yeah. It's gross.
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Why do horror threads always unexpectedly go so well on /a/?
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>>102287208
I really never got into the game.
Got lost in the lamplight street part and didn't know where to go.

There's probably a story but I really never knew what to do so I never bothered with it.
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Shinsekai yori episode 19 and the flashback from ep 12 were creepy as hell, it felt like a survival horror videogame.
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>>102287556
I just downloaded it from GazelleGames bc it was the least cancerous site I could find.
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>>102279812

>this is what tumblr actually believes
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>>102278178
Animation as a medium can pull off some pretty amazing shit. It's just that it's pretty generic down on the moon. People aren't willing to invest enough to get something off the ground so long as it has enough pandering to pay itself off. Check out Kanashimi no Belladonna. It was an absolute failure, and lead to the collapse of the company that pumped it out. Yet it's pretty damn amazing for what it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N_j0Q--Ans
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>>102287353
>Girls on /a/

Is that some kind of sarcasm? How new are you?
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>>102287353
Yeah, I was really surprised with how many books about voodoo my campus library has. New Orleans is just a really cool place in general and it pained me to see it misrepresented so badly. The best part of the 3rd season was the opening. If only the show hewed closer to the actual creepy imagery instead of "feminist harry potter" like >>102286710 so succinctly put.
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>>102287591
Because they are usually made somewhat late at night, and night time is when all the retards sleep.
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>>102287591
Because it's a specific genre.

>>102287610
That part where the tiger/animal/cat/whatever is hunting the kids was tense as fuck.

>>102287674
Hasn't everyone already watched Belladonna?
I know a few people that call it hipster shit but it's pretty damn good.
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>>102287705
Should have specified teenage girls/women.
Little girls obviously don't count, fag.
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Blood and gore in anime (like Blood C) is just gross, but it's not a unnerving or leaves a greater psychological feeling of terror. I'm talking about terror where after you get done watching the show or movie, you get paranoid and look over your shoulder every other minute. With that said, I think a lot more of Junji Ito's work should be animated. Dude is like the Stephen King of manga horror. Tomie gave me chills, can you imagine if it were to be picked up by a decent company to animate it?
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It's Korean but I heard this was pretty good. Haven't seen it yet.
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>>102287799
>Manages to create unnerving atmosphere and interesting situations
>Is shit at endings
Stephen King of manga indeed.
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>>102287353
>aliens ruined it for me.
I thought the aliens bit was a lot of fun. It was an interesting way to get the character into the loony bin and from a thematic standpoint alien abductions have been commonly referred to as the modern version of the tales of faeries or demons spiriting away human captives for their amusement.
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>>102287799
Kazuo Umezu is usually ranked as the Stephen King of horror manga.
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>>102287889
It just came out of nowhere. If it had been even hinted at at any other point throughout the show it wouldn't have bothered me.
Aliens don't bother me, shoving them into a show and then not really mentioning them again or explaining anything or mentioning them at all beforehand does.
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>>102287854
Why can't King actually make good endings?
I fucking hated the ending for Dark Tower.
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>>102283968
Hale yeah!
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>>102287995
I actually liked the ending to dark tower, but I really don't know.
It seems to be one of his few faults (the other being making himself/parts of his personality into the characters EVERY SINGLE TIME with a few exceptions) that he just never fixed.
It's even more odd, considering that the novels written under his pseudonym actually tended to have decent endings.
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>>102287961
What, in comparison to the first season only having ghosts as the 2spooky element?
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>>102287995
>the ending for Dark Tower
Fuck. I was honestly mad when he went with that. I should of listened to the warning telling me not to read farther.
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>>102288165
Yeah I guess. If they'd mentioned reports of aliens sightings earlier, or characters talking about them, etc I really wouldn't have minded.
Hell, a whole season focused on aliens would be pretty cool.
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>>102287889
The aliens where the best thing that American Horror Story did. The issue is the setting. It had no place being in a season about an asylum.

The reason why I say that is because theres actually some mystery behind the aliens we never really see them, we don't really know what's going on with them and most importantly they don't have conversations humanizing the aliens like they did with the ghosts, witches and demon.

There needs to be some mystery behind horror as our greatest fears come from the unknown. A shame the show never figured that out.
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>>102287854
I don't think his endings are that bad, but I really do like the delivery he brings in short stories. Also, I like how weird as fuck they can be, like that one short story where people were being hanged by giant balloons with their faces on them.
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The were some genuinely terrifying moments in this show. That old lady ghost was probably the scariest episode.
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>>102288365
No, not really.

Not at all.
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>>102284412
This. The big nigga gave some hell of a kind creeps. Show would have been great without that ending.
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>>102278547
>Horror manga can be pretty well done and scary if done right.

Every horror manga I have ever tried bored me to tears - the art was usually "avant garde" or too focused on gore for it to work. If you're going to tell a horror story, you have to hook the people into believing it with actions and affects, not special effects.

It's all about the reaction - If I am going to watch horror, I want to be startled. I want to feel tense. I don't usually feel this in an anime or manga, because they execute these things poorly for "art" or "gore" precedence.

And it's a shame. Some of these guys should read more of the old tales from the crypt comics or even watch the creepier twilight zones, to learn how to do it right.
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>>102288365
Oh man its been YEARS. I liked that one episode with the mirror versions, being trapped in whole another plane of existence sounds terrifying
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>>102288264
I felt it was pretty clear that the stories were all independent from each other based on the fact that they reused the actors alone, so I was cool with the writers adding in both aliens AND Christian demons (which really didn't show up in the first season unless you count the Antichrist at the end)

>>102288284
>It had no place being in a season about an asylum.
Except for the part where screaming about ALIENS ABDUCTED ME is a perfect way to get your ass institutionalized in 50s America. We also do get to hear a bit about what they want and what they're doing through the pinhead girl. The part where she tells the Nazi scientist that the aliens are standing around the proverbial extraterrestrial water cooler and laughing at his hamfisted attempts at science was one of my favorite moments.
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>>102288453
>I want to be startled. I want to feel tense

As opposed to actually being afraid?
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>>102287329
>>102286967
Franken Fran to some extent fulfills the criteria of erotic horror, though it's a bit more erotic grotesque.
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>>102288453
It's really hard to generate horror in a manga form though. Atmosphere is 80% of good horror and it's really hard to do that when you can't employ sound and motion.
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>>102288354
It's not that the endings are terrible, just that they tend to fall flat compared to the rest of the story.
IT: had a staring contest (or something I can't remember) with a giant spider who was actually an alien thing! Or an emotional vampire/god I guess

Misery: She was actually still alive and hiding in the apartment and the guy die- ah, no, just a hallucination never mind.

The Mist: They walked off into the mist, and this ending is a hitchcock one because he couldn't think of anything better the movie is better in this regard

Christine: The end... or is it?

They very often tend to fall flat and it's really disappointing when you have these great, creative stories and then just an empty feeling left behind after finishing up the book
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>>102280624
DRRRRR DRRRR DRRRRR
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>>102280017
fuck man, i havent even watched it and it gives me goosebumps.
ive only seen the pic of it
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>>102288582
>IT'S COMING OUR WAY!
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I hate anything with elongated limbs.
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Personally I don't remember many anime succeeding in horror, I found manga in the other hand was a better medium for horror, first time I read ibitsu it gave me the same atmosphere of good old horror stories.
I think game, manga and books are the best medium for horror, anime and movies in the other hand relies too much on graphical shock factor, gore and blood.
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Has anyone ever experienced a supernatural event?
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>>102288516
Again: it's the lead-up to the scare. If you get those feelings instated, then the scare comes easily. If you don't have that sense of tension or being startled by things, the scare falls flat.

>>102288561
>It's really hard to generate horror in a manga form though. Atmosphere is 80% of good horror and it's really hard to do that when you can't employ sound and motion.

I disagree. I remember reading some of the cheezy Creepshow and Tales from the crypts way back when and feeling creeped out to them (even now, some of them are still creepy) because the writers instilled that tension into the piece, and the artists had enough sense to drop the cheesiness as much as possible at the right places.

I remember one batman, where all you had at the end of ti, was just the joker's smile, up close, then a blank panel. Creeped me out enough that I couldnt' sleep that night, and I usually dont' have that problem.
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>>102288730
I got your shit right here
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>>102288822
No.Not sure if I want to but it would be cool I guess
>>102288838
This is a SFW board.
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>>102288822
If ghosts and witches count, yes.
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>>102288822
Yes. The theatre I used to do shows at was haunted out the fuckin wazoo. I felt cold spots and saw the figure of a woman in white drift across the second balcony (a dude standing next to me saw it as well), as well as hearing footsteps run towards me down a hall, past me, and into the prop room behind me. The last one had me gibbering for about half an hour, that was genuinely the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced and I've danced in my underwear in front of 700 people before.
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>>102288957
>witches
What? You get cursed by a crone or something?
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>>102279556

Another is a comedy though, Anon.
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>>102289017
No, that's Cron'e disease.

Get it? Because it's a play on Chrohn's dis- Oh, nevermind...
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>>102288932
It's a mixed bag. Afterwards you have a really fun story to talk about and you feel pretty special for having experienced it but jesus h. christ that moment when you realize that you're seeing something that you utterly cannot explain with any sort of rationality is the worst.
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>>102288822
By definition, it would be impossible.
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>>102289114
nehehehe
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>>102289017
My neighborhood supposedly had witches and the place was filled with witchcraft stores and people who had knowledge of old medicine. Every time a young child or newborn moved in, you would hear women laugh really fucking loud in the streets at midnight or 3:00am. Plus, the kids would out of nowhere get sick with hardcore diarrhea or nausea after the laughs were over.
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This is probably the most horrifying thing I've seen in an anime. Horror is a difficult thing to achieve in fiction in my experience.
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>>102289261
>Every time a young child or newborn moved in, you would hear women laugh really fucking loud in the streets at midnight or 3:00am.
Creepy yet hilarious somehow
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>>102288822
I had some kind apparition following me for couple of years since I moved to my first own apartment. Every time I was opening my fridge, it felt like something is pulling the door to the opposite direction (visitors never had that feeling), and sometimes all the fridge's content were throwed to the floor. Sometimes that shithead was slowly pulling off my blanket when i was getting to sleep, fucking with windows blinds, turning on faucets and, of course, slamming doors.
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>>102289329
I've heard of people having similar things happen to them. One memorable account had the woman get fed up with the antics verbally ripped the ghost a new one for a good ten minutes. She noted a marked decrease in shenanigans afterwards.
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>>102285846
The OP was pretty good though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GZgzc3_-eA
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>>102288822
Not really supernatural but some really weird shit happened to me that I have no fucking clue what happened.

So I finish work, leave the office, get in my car, open the window for some fresh air and proceed to back up so I can leave.
Then out of nowhere, I see a shadow of a guy on my left, so I turn my head to check if I'm going to hit him and and the guy just lifts his hands and sprays me with something.
My eyes just burned like fuck and I couldn't see for shit. I felt like clawing my eyes out. I felt my neck being strangled and the then I hear the guy's voice right next to me and he said ''I'm going to fucking kill you''.
I was scared shitless at this and just started screaming the fuck and just punched and kick whatever I could on the left side and tried to get on the other seat or something.
So I manage somehow to crawl myself to the other seat while still screaming as hard as I could and I heard another voice scream but I honestly can't remember what was said. I managed to open the other side of the door and just tried to get up and shit but I couldn't see crap and feel about two times while trying to move away.
Then I felt someone just hold me and I started punching and kicking everywhere and I heard another voice saying the guy was gone. I calmed down a bit and the police arrived and started to disinfect my eyes.

Apparently the guy spared me with mace and it burned like a motherfucker.
I have no idea who the fuck the guy was. After he sprayed me with mace, a guy who was also going to his car saw what happened to me and started punching the guy until he ran away. The police brought me in for a statement and said that they would investigate but I haven't heard any news.

I seriously have no fucking idea what happened. I still remember that voice that said he would kill me. I honestly felt he was going to kill me here and there.
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>>102287541
>Propeller Heaven is neat, but it's next to impossible to find except second hand copies on auction sites.
How have you found it yourself? I want to get it, but the delivery will probably cost me several time the price of the volume itself.
So, how good is it?
And are you reading Enchant Land(his current series)?
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holy shit
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>>102278178
Can't put my finger on exactly why, but anime seems sooo much better for straught up sci-fi than horror. Proper horror requires thought, planning, a slower pace [for buildup?] than typical anime.
I wouldn't say total failure at horror tho. Before Space Dandy, who thought it was possible for droids to become zombies?
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>>102289494
All the Higurashi OP are godlike.

The 2nd OP is a reversal of the first one. I shit you not.

The first OP is about mystery and the unknown.
The second OP is about loneliness, sadness, regret and hopelessness.
The third one starts off completely downbeat but slowly becomes optimistic.

I swear, those three openings are fucking perfect in every way.
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>>102289544
This looks funny in my mind.
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>>102283968
this is scarier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfHr2kG7HrA
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>>102278178
I feel that its the art that also drives fear.
Like who is anyone supposed to be scared of something when everything looks so "moe"
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>>102289744
Ah fuck, I knew this was gonna be posted.
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>>102289744
>satan
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>>102288822
I can't remember if it was a copy pasta from here but it went something like some guy was in his house and his mother or something had gone out shopping and had been out for a while, so he's in the kitchen or something and he hears his mothers voice coming from the basement like "sweetie could you give me a hand" and he's like "mom? i thought you went out shopping, just oping the door to the basement about to go down his mother comes through the front door.
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>>102289744
Fucking Mark Twain.
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>>102289544
Detroit is supernatural indeed
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>>102289744
Is this European?
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>>102289544
Jesus christ.

Have any nightmares associated or any new things you fear?
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>>102289744
Claymation is great for spooky effect in general. Fucking Coraline didn't pull any punches. Creeped me the hell out and pretty much scarred my little sister.
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Can't exactly call any anime "horror," I mean when I think of something jumping out and scaring the shit out of ya. I mean, I've seen a great deal of disturbing stuff, but the term "horror" doesn't seem to fit.

Anime in it's cartoon form is just harder to connect to I guess. I mean if it was an 3DPD it might be easier to feel it I guess. Also a problem with most horrors is the aspect that they're stupid. The scare factor can be easily lost when you have a mc constantly doing something stupidly against logic.
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>>102289923
Well holy shit.

Reminds me of that dog who licked the feet horror story when I was a kid.
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>>102286422
I've played a decent amount of Horror games, thank you very much. I just try to use the popular ones as examples so people will understand. I doubt most of /a/ has played Phantasmagoria.

>Many games do what they do better in an immersive way, the early Silent Hill games and Eternal Darkness come to mind.

I do love silent hill, but to get horror on the Level of Alien isn't a hard task - it's hardly a horror film to begin with. Same goes for the thing. Give me a Video Game on the level of the Shining or Psycho or The Haunting or even the fucking Blair Witch Project, and then we can call the works in the mediums equal.
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Magnetic Rose isn't straight horror, but parts of it are genuinely terrifying.
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>>102290006
>it's hardly a horror film to begin with
how do you mean?
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>>102290044
Picked up so hard, I like characters who crawl on the ceiling.
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>>102288976
I saw to god theaters are the number one hangout for ghosts and other spooky shit, the places are always crawling with them. I would know, I do lights for theater and every theater I've been to has this shit.
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>>102290095
My personal theory is that because you've got all these raw emotions of anger, sadness, elation, etc. coursing through this one location all the time, spirits and ghosts and what-not are drawn to the place like a gravitational field. However, in my case it was because the theatre had a hell of a lot of backstory to it before it became a playhouse and a lot of the ghosts were associated with the building since beforehand.

Or maybe because we're all actors we're really good at deluding ourselves into thinking there's spooky shit hanging about.
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>>102290090
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgeDh1WCyeM
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>>102287230
>animes

>>102287208
It's the kind of thing that only works in game. Ironically, Tomoizawa did incredible visual storytelling in Milk Closet, and that manga has more in common with YN than the YN manga.

>>102287541
It's not really horror, I wouldn't say. Just really uncanny and distant. There's not that threatening feeling most of the time, and certainly no sense of disempowerment. But they are really uncanny. Really really uncanny.

>>102290089
It takes a lot from horror, and has scary moments, but ultimately I don't think that's the core engagement. Take the scare away from, say, Blair Witch, and there's nothing else to it. Take the scare from Alien and you still have badass robot fighting and Sci-fi and what not.

It's partially horror, and utilizes horror elements, but isn't really a horror film. More of a suspenseful action flick.
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>>102289956
I've had nightmares where I dreamed about being strangled while sleeping. I can still remember the pain of getting sprayed.
I still wonder if he was stalking me or if he just picked me at random.

>>102289938
It actually happened in Montreal.
I swear that we have a serial killer or some shit on the loose and I was two fingers from being the next victim.
What scares me the most is that this shit happened in daylight.

From all the horror stories I've read, you'd expect the killer to attack at night when no one is around but this fucking guy just straight up just maced me in broad daylight and didn't give a fuck if people might be around.
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>>102290233
If you take the Alien out of Alien you have a boring story about a bunch of space truckers.
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>>102290237
Do you think you'll develop a asphyxiation fetish from the trauma?
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>>102290237
Man, that shit is why I'm glad I have a gun.
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The closest anime can come to horror is more toward the gorey and violent side (which isn't really horror at all), like Hellsing. It doesn't do survival horror well like Another and Higurashi at all.

Of course both sides have shitty writing, it's just that stuff like Hellsing has other positives that still make it enjoyable. I'm sure that we all laughed more in Another than anything else.
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>>102290237
That reminds me a friend of mine once suggested a test of courage to an abandoned household at night and it was canceled because we heard it was a heroin addict hideout.

Real people can be terrifying.
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>>102290366
Yeah, the problem with shows like Another is that everything is so contrived as to make it unbelievable. The fucking umbrella scene is just one good example.
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>>102283968
> early disney films
Come on, Disney films are cute!
Try watching some of Soviet cartoons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-vIvSuLIfI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYn-iwGe2H8
And this one, though it's rather well-known and is actually good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9snuua1uwM
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>>102290366
>survival horror well like Another
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>>102290366
>survival horror well like Another
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>>102290282
Yes, but the alien isn't always in a situation in the vein of horror. Horror is all about suspense and buildup and a threatening aura. Alien has that, but it's just as much sci-fi action flick on the other half.
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Ever thought that the horror genre isn't dead, but just people have become unaffected because real life? I mean, why the things you see in horror why go see a movie, read a book, or play a game when a person can just turn on the news and already can see horror? Niggers raping white women, psychopaths cutting people up, animals killing other animals, humans torturing other humans, liberals genocide the white race due to blanda up, etc.
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>>102290447
Ah yes, this is weird compared to anime.
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>>102290453
>>102290533
Are you implying Another isn't at the very least an attempt at survival horror? The characters are defenseless against an omnipresent force that could kill any of them at any moment.

But what you were probably referring to was my shit grammar. I wasn't trying to say Another is good.
>It doesn't do survival horror well at all.
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>>102290366
Actually, the closest imo is Monster.
But that's more suspense than horror.

But that look Johan gives just gives me chills down my spine line no other.
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>>102290453
>>102290533
Another was basically Final Destination and that is consider survival horror by the movie industry.
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>>102290536
Are you talking about Alien or Aliens? Because I'd agree with you if you were talking about Aliens. Alien however is the classic "The ccast is trapped in the house with the monster, the humans commit a 'sin' to incur the monster's wrath (in Alien it was not following the fucking quarantine protocols), etc." horror movie archetype. Everything was based around eliciting fear reactions from the audience, down to the design of the Alien, which is Rape incarnate.
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>>102288822

Kind of. In all likelyhood I was just disoriented but I'll tell the story anyway.

When I was a kid I would sometimes go to this cafe after school and order a flapjack and a coke because they were delicious. They used to put these huge chunks of ice in the drinks which kept it cold for ages, it was awesome.

Anyway, I was drinking my coke one time and one of the chunks of slipped into my throat. Lodged right in there, good and proper, they were massive. I couldn't breathe and I couldn't swallow so I just freaked out. I remember trying to stand up and my knees collapsing, I nearly fainted I think. I remember pulling myself up with the table and trying to look around for a hot drink. It probably wouldn't have worked but I had this weird moment of clarity where I thought some hot tea would melt the ice or something. One of the most disturbing things was the look on the other customers faces. They all just... sat there, looking at me. Nobody tried to help. They all just watched in shock. Fucking terrifying because I wanted to beg for help but couldn't speak.

So the next thing I remember is somebody grabbing me from behind. I looked down and saw this burly pair of hairy arms around my stomach and my first reaction was to try to push him away. Isn't it bizarre how your mind works while panicking? But this guy was so fucking strong, his arms felt like rock, I couldn't budge him at all. He squeezed me a few times and I threw up onto my coat that had fallen on the floor, then he let me go, I fell to my knees and gasped for air for a minute or two.

Once I had recovered somewhat my head started to clear and I turned around to thank the guy who had, in retrospect, probably performed the heimlich maneuver on me, but there was nobody there.

I asked the person on the nearby table where the guy had gone and he told me that there was nobody there. I apparently just struggled a lot and threw up after a minute or so.

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>>102290447
This is the definition of 2deep4you.
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>>102290602
Monster is more mystery and suspense with dark atmosphere than horror. It also had one of the most realistic art styles compared to shit like DEEN's VN-based Higurashi.
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>>102290674

So was the lack of oxygen making me delusional? Were the people in shock and just didn't notice somebody save me? Or was it... I dunno, a fucking guardian angel or something. I obviously don't know, but I'm thankful to be alive. And I haven't taken drinks with ice since.
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>>102290711
Hey now, don't smack shit about Higurashi.
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>>102290282
Promathses has Alien without Alien and that movie worked as a horror.
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Anime can't be horror cause they have big eyes and that ruin the imersion
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>>102290789
>prometheus
>horror
No.
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>>102290791
I beg to differ.
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>>102290789
Prometheus didn't work at all. I don't know what the fuck they were trying to accomplish with that movie. That's what you get when you hire the main writer of Lost to do your rewrites.
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>>102290789
>Promathses
How do you even fuck up that bad?
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>>102290856
Perhaps it was horrifying because someone genuinely thought that "Yeah, this will please fans of the franchise"
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Because they filmed Junji Ito's work instead of animating it in the style of Satoshi Kon's work at Madhouse.
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>>102290853
Man, that right there is the main reason why I can't take horror anime seriously. It's just way too over-the-top, with the bulging eyes and the no chin and the big ole anime mouth... Just doesn't work for me.
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>>102290853
damn I forgot to imply that>>102290791
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>>102290853
how is anyone scared by higurashi
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>>102279559
it's trying sooooo hard to be different and it is fucking heinous
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>>102290856
The movie is somewhat decent but all over the place.

It's basically a movie about people who created people who created people who created people and the meaning of our purpose when everyone just likely created somewhere else.
Where god is actually a person and is not all powerful and does not care for us.

There's a pretty nifty video on youtube that does the movie justice, even though there are a lot of flaws imo with the movie.
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I think it's because they're actively trying to generate fear or scares.

There are western shows that had an unintentionally creepy atmosphere though.
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>>102290948
Tense atmosphere, not knowing what the fuck is going on, killing laughing at you when you figure out who she is, killer lolis, demon conspiracy in the background.

It's pretty good and has a lot of quick angles that work very well due to the director who knew what he was doing with a limited budget.
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>>102290853
>liking Higurashi
I don't understand this at all. Maybe the VNs are better, but I tried picking up the anime so many goddamn times and dropped it past episode 10. I could never get immersed in its horror atmosphere because the entire thing looked like ass which broke suspension of belief.
>shit animation
>horribly disproportionate character designs
>high-pitched voices with retarded laughing in both sub and dub
>female-male ratio of at least 4-1
>typical boring male MC
>shit animation
>the BIG SECRET is because virus

Fucking Mirai Nikki was scarier than that piece of shit.
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>>102290971
holy shit as a Biologist I was offended in that movie with that retarded and his geologist(?) friend
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How do yall feel about Cabin in the Woods?
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>>102290971
The concept was bretty cul, but the execution was just awful. Contrivances fucking everywhere just to get the scares going.
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>>102279982
SSY really succeeded at creeping me out
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>>102291056
I thought it was really good as a comedy movie

that guy smashing in the wall with his bike, I never laughed so much
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>>102291031
hey now, as a geologist myself I must defend the geologist's initial WE JUST FUCKING NEED TO LEAVE NOW, FUCK ALL THIS FUCKING NOISE reaction. He displayed the only iota of common sense in the entire movie. I think that was him, at least.
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>>102291031
The main characters were all pretty horribly written in my opinion.
Really, the only positive about that movie is the nice set design.
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>>102291056
it's entertaining as hell.
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>>102291056
Hilariously good movie.
That last portion was so fucking good.

>>102291028
>watching Higurashi
Well there's your problem

>female-male ratio of at least 4-1
That's the joke.
Higurashi is actually a harem story gone wrong with everyone being fucked with their own problems and misunderstanding fucking everyone up.

Also
>watching the Higurashi dub
You kinda fucked yourself up

>>102291112
This.
Holy shit, that entire build up and then BAM.
So fucking ridiculous and good.

That final twist that the guy was in on it didn't really make any sense but whatever.
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>>102291056
It was a lot of fun, I was drained emotionally after I saw it for the first time. Shit was great.
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>>102291123
I just dont remember the details now, I only watched in the theater, but the biologist was the worst I've seem in any movie.

>>102291162
haha, I liked the end cause I was cheering for that guy an he survived somehow the first time
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>>102291056
I think that its style of satire is lazy and not nearly as clever as it thinks it is. It still had some really good bits, though.
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>>102291056
A gore fest that was actually quite clever

Probably because there weren't any slasher flicks attempted to deconstruct archetypes

>bike scene
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>>102291056
The best SCP Foundation adaptation we'll ever get.

>>102291112
>that build-up of triumphant music
>that glorious sailing across the ravine
>WHAM
>BAM

>BAM

>BANG


>BANG
>boom/spoiler]
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Here is your cartoon horror
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>>102291238
I need the gif from that scene now, just remembering that makes me piss myself
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>>102291256
I had nightmares about that shit for years.
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>>102291028
Higurashi has the creepiest theme song in anime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuofG8a7EEk

Shiki coming very close too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4gxUWeK7xs

Seriously, what's with girls humming that make it creepy as fuck?
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>>102291162
Because I knew the visual quality of the show would be complete shit, I didn't bother getting anything decent. The second time trying to watch it, I downloaded a dual-audio version just to try to find something good about it.
>If Higurashi fans (who must have shit taste to like Higurashi) hated it, then maybe I would like it.

I never liked harem anime, and I demand character realism and consistency in serious genres like horror. Having characters flipflop for no real reason in different timelines was torture to watch.
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>>102290856
>>102290846
>>102290971
Prometheus is 2001: A Space Odyssey and that worked.
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This thread....
Mentioning of alien 9
Fuck you I was expecting moeshit but instead it gave me nightmare.

Saikano the last love song
Fuck you too where's my love song.

Watership Down
Daddy Mommy what do the rabbits have to die?
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>>102291203
>I am ostensibly the smartest and most proficient biologist on the planet, hand-selected to participate in the most important endeavor ever undertaken in the history of mankind.
>TOUCH THE PENIS-SNAKE TOUCH IT TOUCH IT TOUCH IT
How hard would it have been to have the geologist reach out to the snake, the biologist stop him and go what the fuck are you doing, and then have the snake attack them anyway?
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>>102291279
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>>102291256
THE MAN IN GAUZE, THE MAN IN GAUZE KING RAAAAAAAAAMSEEEEEEEEEEEEES
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>>102291365
yeah, I was getting so pissed watching that movie, I hate when they make shit like this when you can use many other better ways to reach the same conclusion
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>>102288822
Sleep paralysis is pretty spooky, but you get used to it.
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>>102291112
>>102291238
>>102291143
>>102291162
>>102291163
>>102291215
>>102291216
Holy shit, did you guys not get it was social commentary and satire on the horror genre? The Elders are suppose to be us the viewers and the people running are the directors. The only thing I found weird is that the pot head is the only level headed character in the entire film and he and the MC some how lived.
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>>102291332
The girls were pretty moe and the frogs too.
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>>102291440
I know that, and that is the reason why I liked it
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>>102291440
Well
Damn
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>>102289562
Are you still here? It's rare to find someone who has read it.
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>>102291310
Then read the VN.

If you demand character realism, Higurashi is surprisingly deep in that and very consistent.
None of the character flipflop, only how you view them.

>>102291256
>you're not perfect courage...
Arghhhhh fuck this goddamn show.

>>102291440
Uh, dude, it was fucking blunt, I'm sure everyone got it.
Although it doesn't explain why the fuck horror tropes are there other than they have to be there.
Like that part where the girl has to show breast. Just why? Just because.
It's a satire but it doesn't fully revert the entire thing imo.

The joke at the end is that breaking the trope , i.e. not having the virgin be the last survivor, fucks the entire genre which is funny if you think about how much of the tropes follow the formula.
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>>102291440
Well, I did call it satire in my post. So, no, I totally didn't get it all. I don't actually know what words mean. It's a miracle that any of this even makes sense, because I'm actually just slapping my hands against the keyboard and hoping for the best.
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>>102291413
Honestly I think it comes from a lack of perspective while making the movie. You got all this real world shit to worry about, actors to herd, sets to make, budgets to balance, producers to shmooze, CGI to create, make-up is dragging their feet, scripts to edit, the lighting is fucking up again, and whatnot that nobody ever stops to say, "now waitaminnit, does this make sense to you?" Or if they do, they're on such a tight schedule that they can't stop to change it or the director thinks it won't matter in the long run. I've personally seen the last part happen.
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>>102291440
Yes I fucking got it, you mongoloid. It was still a shit ton of fun.
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>>102291256
I never get scared of Courage the Cowardly Dog.

The only scene that ever left an impression on me was that episode about red-spotted eggs and me thinking as a kid, "Damn, I really wanna eat the same kind of eggs right now" so I got my mom to use some red food coloring for my eggs for my next breakfast.
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>>102291579
well, their incompetence is clearly shown then, when you are pressed and ignore things like this
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>>102291546
>It's a miracle that any of this even makes sense, because I'm actually just slapping my hands against the keyboard and hoping for the best.
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>>102281320
>>102281201
>Fourteen
Wasn't that the thing with Dr. Chicken George and what the fuck ever? I recall hearing there was some seriously dumb shit in that manga.
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>>102290218
>>102290095
>>102288976
Man fuck you guys. Fuck you guys. I live in Aurora, Colorado so I've been to the theatre where the shooting took place, and I'll probably go there again some time (cause the tickets are cheap, yo)

I see myself as a rational person, but all of this shit is undoubtedly going to resurface in my mind the next time I go there. Fuck.
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>>102291642
For sure, you have to catch this stuff in pre-production or you're building a castle on sand.
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>>102291695
We're talking about actual play theatres, like with the stage and actors and everything, not movie theaters. -re, not -er.

conceal carry a gun just to be safe
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>>102291698
exactly
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>>102291695
/k/ here, be on the lookout for the ghost of Holmes shitty Beta-C magazine, it died almost immediately, as those magazines do.
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>>102291797
>beta-c
explains a lot
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>>102291797
Looks like a patriot.
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>>102291797
Its not really shitty when it saves lives by being jamtastic.
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>>102291737
Ah, I must have applied my own meaning to it without thinking about it.

Very well then, carry on.

I would like to carry a weapon at some point, if only for the everyday silent crimes that go on unheard of. Shit like real abductions, some shit I just read about a dude killing two dudes so some chick could fulfill her necrophiliac fantasies etc. People can be truly scary, yet put them in a crowd and they look just like everyone else..
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Can we have a new thread?
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>>102291942
What are you waiting for then.
Get one.
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>>102291833
It sure does.

>>102291870
The Boss used a magazine like that in her gun.
Her gun was by the way a Firing-Port weapon, with practically no rifling, which would explain why the bullets tumbled in the air like they did. This is detrimental as a combat weapon by the way, it's directly stamped on Firing-Port weapons that they're not Assaultrifles, and should not be used as such.

>>102291912
Well, yeah, from the victims point of view, that was godsent. I'm just saying, from his objective, it was probably the worst magazine he could have used.

He also used birdshot in his shotgun, by the way, so he clearly wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. The teargas was clever though, I'll give the bastard that.
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>>102292075
I thought her weapon was a Rocky Mountain Arms pistol.
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>>102288822
When I was 7 years old, I liked jumping across rugs and shit in my house.

One time, I was alone by myself playing in my hallway and jumping across the rugs placed around my home.

My mom had bought a new rug and I wanted to test myself on how far I could leap across this new rug.

So, here I am, all ready to jump, and jump I did, when all of a sudden, I swore it felt like I was levitating, no joke.

And what was weird was the fact my 7 year old body had somehow become stuck in an air kick karate pose when I was leaping like I always do with no sort of posing whatsoever.

So yeah, I somehow managed to successfully jump across the length of the new rug and tried to attempt the same feat again but I could never repeat the same feat and I never felt the "levitation feeling" again.

Not sure if this counts as a supernatural encounter or that, for a brief moment, in my childhood years, I managed to attain psychic powers.
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>>102292285
maybe it was some kinda time dilation? you know, like the bullet time effect cops and soldiers report experiencing
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>>102292202
Huh, well I suppose it could be.
But that doesn't explain why The Patriot is a keyhole machine.



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