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Why do people say NGE is a deconstruction of the mecha genre? They don't pilot mechs and almost all conflict in the series arises from every main/secondary character having mental disorders, not anything to do with mechs or piloting mechs or war on a large scale or anything. Those are all secondary to mental disorders which determine the outcome of the anime.
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It's mostly because of its take on the most common mecha characters archetype.
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>They don't pilot mechs
what
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>>102277854
>deconstruction
Who the fuck said that?
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The only two aspects I can think of are how realistic the Evas are portrayed in terms of using a lot of energy and that they completely fuck up the town at times and civilians are killed during that.
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>Why do people say NGE is a deconstruction of the mecha genre?

A deconstruction just takes tropes of a genre to their conclusion. What happens when you use 14 year olds as child soldiers to defend the planet? It kind of fucks them up.
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>>102278009
eva units are alive so i dont think they are mechs
just an opinion
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>>102277854
because before then every mech show was the same. The hero was heroic who would with courage and a heart of gold.

Eva started the trend of having messed up characters
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Well it's not a deconstruction so there's that.
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>>102278112
>>102278100
Why can't brave kids exist? Oh right, this is Japan we're talking about, nobody is brave there any longer.

Kids can be soldiers too if you raise them properly. Shinji just has no spine.
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>>102277854
I'm going to need to start filtering the word deconstruction here pretty soon
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>>102278168
They can be.

They're not happy to be, though. At all.
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>>102278168
I take it you have no idea about the shit that goes on in Africa.
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>>102278237
You can't take a spineless coward like Shinji and say "this is how it would really be" when you can't hope for that to be accurate at all. Shinji is the outlier if anything.
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>>102278168
You forget that Shinji was already dealing with absent parents and chronic depression prior to the show.
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>>102278311
Sure.
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If anything Evangelion is the deconstruction of the Madoka genre.
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>>102278311
Get a kid hoped up on khat and they'll do pretty much anything.
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>>102278311
>Spineless coward

You would do the exact same thing at 14.
Everyone would.
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>>102277854
Is there anyone on /a/ who actually understood the ending of the anime?
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>>102279047
Nope.
Congratulations.
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>>102279033
Yeah, not really.

Where did people this idea that Shinji's an everyman

He's not an everyman
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>>102279047
Nope, since the show ended in 1995, not a single fucking person has been able figure out the ending. Not in anyone of the thousands of EVA threads we've had. At all. No Fucking Idea.
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>>102279150
He's a teenager who lost both of his parents with an autonomous sense of existence.

That's almost every 14 year old in existence in a western society.
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>>102279211
Well, why make an ending so hard to understand and complex? Are the creators of the show retarded?
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>>102279033
I would've killed for that kind of attention at 14.
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>>102277854

Well to start off, people don't really know what a deconstruction is. Since Derrida is never mentioned except by pretentious sneering types like me, we'll assume people are going with either the shaky TVtropes version of 'Deconstruction' or the even more shaky "well it's when something is kinda different from what came before" version.


Even people using either of those definitions ignore that Gundam 0079 and later the 'Real' robot shows from the 80s already changed the mecha game far more than Eva ever did.
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>>102279320
Is it really that complex though?
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>>102279047
I understood it the first time I watched it. I really don't understand what people have trouble understanding about it. Granted I read Eden before watching Eva so the concept wasn't exactly foreign to me, not too mention Eden has better writing than Eva.
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>>102279322
And that's Asuka's character in a nutshell.
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>>102279393
It's ambiguous, not complex. Omitting information isn't the same thing as presenting all the information and leaving the viewer to figure it out.
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>>102279458
Do you mean epiosde 25 and 26?
Or End of Eva?
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>>102279393
See>>102279211
>>102279394
So, what's the ending about? Please don't spoil Eden
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>>102279452
Asuka is a typical hot headed male lead with something to prove just in female form and put in a secondary role. I'd expect a lot of high school age males to fall into that category.
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>>102279523
Episode 25 and 26
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>>102279616
>So, what's the ending about? Please don't spoil Eden
That's a bit hard to do.
They have the same ending to a degree. Eva's ending is a subset of Eden's.
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>>102279638
They're not typical! The entire POINT is that they're not typical!
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>>102279616
The ending is about acceptance.
In Shinji's case, the acceptance of himself and his pursuit for happiness regardless of the pain that life can bring, thus rejecting a return to a source of consciousness/instrumentality.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEFcXeu8PY4

Can't you just FEEL the shonen?
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>>102277854
NGE isn't a deconstruction of the mecha genre OP, it's a deconstruction of the deconstruction mecha genre
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>>102279616
>acts new to eva
>has kawoshin folder
0/10 kill yourself
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>>102279771
They kinda are if you start flipping sexes for the cast. They gave much more grounded reasons for why they're that way than most shows do but the archetypes themselves were already well established.
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>>102279638

Asuka is too narcissistic to just be a genderswapped Amuro or Ryouma. Unlike them she's needy for praise and attention, and bullies people to gratify her own ego.
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>>102279768
We're talking about higashi no eden, right?
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>>102279788
Then why does everyone say omedeto (congratulations) in the end?
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>>102279953
>Hating on Kawoshin
Anno made the shit that was 3.0 is because of faggots like you
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>>102280155
Please use spoilers
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>>102280116
Congratulations.
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>>102280012
It's not a strait drag and drop of the characters personality to another body. It's closer to what the character would be like if they were actually female. It doesn't make for a bad character because it's well executed but the themes aren't original.
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>>102277854
gr8 b8 m8
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>Why do people say NGE is a deconstruction of the mecha genre?
It takes common mecha tropes and occurrences and breaks them down, giving them an explanation atypical to the genre?
>Why is it a 14 year old that has to pilot the special mech and fight the aliens to defend all of humanity? Why can't one of the countless highly trained soldiers do it?
Because the mech chose him.
>How does a giant robot choose it's pilot?
Because it's alive.
>Why choose the kid?
Because it's his mom.
>Why not choose a soldier and not put her son at risk?
Because the soldier wouldn't have her son's best interest at heart and would ultimately probably side with Seele and fuck humanity over. She put herself in the Eva on purpose to avoid this.
>Wouldn't piloting a robot and risking your life fuck up a 14 year old with a fucked up background?
Yeah, that would be the point
>Why does the hot Christmas cake want to fuck a 14 year old?
Because sex is the only way she knows how to motivate men as she has no skills of being a parent and no experience with the opposite sex outside of a romantic relationship given her father was hardly ever around.

That kind of shit.
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>>102280422
>anime board
>posts cartoon
Jeff pls go
I wonder who will get this
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>>102280531
we /fit/ here
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>>102280155
back to you, shipper
>inb4 le canon pairing
kill yourself
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>>102277854
"Deconstruction" is perhaps a poor choice of wording here. "Pastiche" would fit better considering the nature of the show.

Here's a great article from a decade ago that does a great job explaining the show's significance.

http://www.cjas.org/~leng/revolution.htm

To quote.

>Evangelion was a unified vision of a man who had a wealth of otaku information to draw from. As such, the anime resonated with fans in an unprecedented manner. While watching Eva, the fans saw elements of themselves (their hopes, fears, dreams, and fantasies) portrayed so honestly, and that was made possible because Anno was so much like them in so many ways. Gainax has long had an attitude of "If I were a 14 year old boy, what would I want to see in my anime?" Anno answered that question perfectly, and Evangelion contained the usual combination of giant robots, science fiction, action, teenage protagonists, a cute mascot, a catchy logo/slogan, and a healthy dose of sex appeal. The teaser at the end of each episode promised more fan "service" to the viewers, stuff that Anno knew viewers wanted to see--such as epic robot/monster action and its sexy main characters in revealing clothes/poses. But these are all fairly standard ingredients for your run-of-the-mill giant robot anime. What made Evangelion different and compelling? The simple answer is that it was just done so well. What that actually means, however, is a different story.
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>>102280155
>I was pretending to be new just to put word in everything as an excuse to post bait yaoishipping and start shitposting routine
Nice hobby, anon..I guess.
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>>102280830

>If there is such a thing as a postmodern aesthetic, one that is characterized by pastiche (cut and paste sampling of disparate elements) and self-aware irony, Anno mastered its use in Evangelion. Fans had come to expect a certain mix of elements in their anime, and Anno delivered, even more than anyone could have expected. In addition to putting familiar elements together in a way that fans (himself included) subconciously wanted and identified with, Anno went out of the box and brought in things you almost never see in mecha anime. Perhaps it's not so surprising that Anno drew inspriation from the worlds of non-anime science fiction and special effects shows (such as Ultraman), ....
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>>102280457
>>Why does the hot Christmas cake want to fuck a 14 year old?
>Because sex is the only way she knows how to motivate men as she has no skills of being a parent and no experience with the opposite sex outside of a romantic relationship given her father was hardly ever around.
When did this happen?
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>>102280155
ebin trole m8
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>>102280900
More like when didn't it happen.
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>>102280900
>not smoke weed everyday
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I just want to fuck Kaworu in the ass.
Why does /a/ think this is so wrong?
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>>102280900
>Not watching EoE
What are you even doing?
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>>102280900
Well it didn't happen, and that anon didn't imply it happened. She tried though, or at least showed the intention to do so
Misato is not really less fucked than the other evanjellyions
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>>102281000
You're retarded, Misato never fucked Shinji (I think)
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>>102281064
Suit yourself amigo. No one asked you to report or ask permission.
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>>102281086
Did you just spoil it for me you, fucking faggot?
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>>102281125
It's in quotes because she's saying it ironically.
She did put the moves on him.
The moves were sex in case you were wondering.
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>>102278009
EVA units are clones of Adam's angel form. The metallic plates are there to restrict their power.
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>>102281185
No he didn't.
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>>102280116

Because as soon as it cuts to black they all jump him and shank his ass. Then take his wallet.
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>>102281234
So, are Evas robots, mechas, or humanoids?

>412 replies omitted
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>>102280155
Kawoshin a shit.
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>>102281113
>She tried though, or at least showed the intention to do so
>Misato is not really less fucked than the other evanjellyions
>not fucking the hottest character after Kaworu in the anime
Shinji just ishydgdtsd
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Is this a GendoxKaworu thread?
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>>102277854
Not really a deconstruction of mecha itself.

NGE is all about its characters. It's character are deconstruction of genre stereotypes. Exposing how fucked up they really are.

Asuka is tsundere who keep everything inside in an unealthy fashion and use her attitude has a shell,
Rei is emotionless doll, people who fall for such girl really only want a feminine presence to replace their mother.
Shinji is the viewer, a whiny bitch.
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>>102281338
All three and also cyborgs.
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>>102281352
Angst is bad for you anon.
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>>102281338
alien clones

said aliens resemble humanoids, yeah
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>>102281343
You're mom a shit
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It's not, deconstruction's just become the go-to word when people want to say something's deep
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>>102280900

What do you think she was doing when she sat on his bed and took his hand?
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>>102281434
Shit I get all sweaty just thinking of when she touched his hand
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>>102280614
If you insult my OTP one more time, I swear to fucking Allah.
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>>102281225
Did she "make the moves" in the anime? Please don't spoil the rebuilds or the movies
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>>102281470
They touched hands pretty hard in Rebuild. Interlocking fingers and everything.
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>>102281550
>>102281434
Was this in the anime? Please use spoilers
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>>102281550
Lewd
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>>102281404
Eto?
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>>102281623
No. I just saved you four and a half hours by the way.
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>>102281484
Keep your sick shit and your gay art for your fapping sessions, otaku.
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>>102281749
Shut the fuck up, Shinji.
I need you to self-insert into while you fuck Ikuhara- I mean, Kaworu.
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>>102281550

>They won't ever hold hands again after 3.0

I'm sad.
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>>102277854
>talking about old animes
they do pilot them for quite some time.
yes it does have personal conflicts
the second part of the second sentence is correct.
the last sentence makes no fucking sense.
obvious troll is obvious.
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>>102281699
What the fuck is wrong with you?
'Kaworu is kil'
no
What did you get by spoiling the movies for me? ;_;
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>>102281225
I hate Misato.
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>>102281886
Personally I'm hoping for another Shinji fuck up followed by a little role reversal with Asuka trying to strangle him to death and succeeding.
If that happens I'd literally be able to paddle down the river of tears to Japan and personally thank Anno for his work.
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>>102281857
Fuck no, it's over. This shit has been going on for 20 fucking years.
This time I will fuck up your plans, you massive weeaboo.
How about I get myself killed in the first scenes?
Do you think I wouldn't do it? Do you think I'm not angsty and emo enough?
Say hello to your contrived bullshit, daddy.
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>>102281995
the satisfaction of ruining something that hasn't been a secret for over a fucking decade.
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>>102281886
Why isn't anyone using spoilers? What do you faggots get by spoiling shit for others?
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Can't we have one thread without the Kaworu autist shitting it up
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>>102282061
Shinji. Please.
You don't have the balls.
You think you can disobey me?
I FUCKING MADE YOU.
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>>102282044
As an Asukafag that would be glorious. Not only for the role reversal but for the infinite and amusing storytelling possibilities that would follow MC's death, although I don't really want him dead.
Anyway you sound kinda edgy, son.
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>>102282103
But I just got into this franchise you fucking runt.
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>>102282044
>This time Shinji is the one fighting the MP evas
>He dies begging for Asuka to help him
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>>102282111
Not until you end your delusions and just admit Kawoshin is canon
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>>102281995
it serves you right for coming into an eva thread not having watched everything
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>>102282196
Well aren't you a special snowflake.
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>>102282044
We will probably get Asuka strangling Mari (thus why she looks like her NGE doll) with a giant naked Shinji in the background.
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>>102282178
At this point I'm just hoping for maximum asspain. It's really the only enjoyment I have left to get from the shitheap that is Rebuild.
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>>102277854
what?
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>>102282272

Just confirm the sequel theory so ARK has to post nudes
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>>102282196
why can't you watch everything and then come back with a generic 'wtf did i just watch' thread like every other idiot. fuck you're dumb
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>>102282160
And I made you into what you are: a gay pedo jew with an army of asskissers.
Who knows what will happen when I kick the bucket in the next movie
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>>102282108

Please stop nobody is falling for it or cares even if you are being honest.
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>>102282190
How does unit 08's eyes work anyway? Fucking Mari and her crazy IPEA technology.
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>>102282272
You must be a Reifriend to be this mad after the Rebuild.
Only Reifriends, /v/ and newfags really care about Rebuild.
Who gives a shit, anon. It's not like it hasn't raped Evangelion already.
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>>102282319
Just fucking try it, see what happens.
You're NOTHING without me.
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>>102282111
Just report.
I have the suspect that he would just kill himself if he weren't able to shitpost
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>>102282271
Mari is gonna die and Asuka is gonna be angry, this is almost guaranteed to happen.
>>102282309
ARK has already bitched out on that one. I guess he didn't get the aesthetics he was looking for.
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>>102282319

Asuka will carry Shinji's dead, worm-eaten corpse around with her forever.
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>>102282423
Not what I heard when you were just sitting in the corner crying yourself to sleep and thinking about sudoku like me because muh depression.
Depression that was cured only thanks to me, faggot.
Grit your teeth, you slant eyed cunt, the next movie is gonna go back right up your ass.

Shinji over.
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>>102282408
I'm on the master's wild ride for at least another two years. I'm not happy about that.
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Does anyone actually care what's going to happen in 4.0 or are we just waiting to see who wins Rebuild so we can shitpost?
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>>102277854
While this could just as easily be a low-level bait, I'll pretend it's sincere and simply state that if don't understand why NGE is widely regarded as the ultimate mecha deconstruction, well, there's nothing we can do for you.
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>>102282602
When did you start swearing like this, Shinji?

>>102282657
Both
Unless Anno really fucking delivers with 4.0, the Final generals shouldn't take too long to be filled with meta
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>>102282657
The second one, obviously. Although there still persists a very small minorance of Reifags who want to believe. Also, normalfags.
But most of /a/ is just waiting to shitpost like there's no tomorrow. Join it.
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>>102282789
Fucking Jack the Snake. That guy's a legend.
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>>102282789
>Unless Anno really fucking delivers with 4.0

What if Anno made 3.0 shitty on purpose so he could completely surprise us all when 4.0 comes out?

What if 4.0 is the EoE of this generation?
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>>102282474
Mari will probably be killed by the MP mark 06.

The Mari-Asuka friendship probably is less happy as Anon likes to portrait, I bet there is a lot of regret and mixed filling going on Asuka's tsun barriers, if she were too lose her friend, I wouldn't be impressed if said emotion got out of hand and ultimately trigger her "angel" infection.

The same could actually happen if Misato kicked it, since it was she that probably raised Asuka after 3-I.
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>>102282657
There are people who aren't here for the shitposting?
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>>102279150
It's actually kinda cute that you're unable to remember how you *actually* behaved at 14 and choose to believe the revision you've since formulated to protect your adult male ego that wants to believe it can handle any challenge.
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>>102282789
>extremely intelligent
>long life span
>Kaworu
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>>102282657
The latter. And Shinji's gonna win the Kaworu, so prepare your anus.
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>>102282789
You kinda grow a thick skin when people die around you as if you're death incarnate and when you see eldritch abominations guro the fuck out of each other on a daily basis, while being molested and abused by sociopaths, clones, PMS fuhrers in the free time.
Also, mommy is a monster capable of shattering 4 dimensional being when she gets mad.

Anno is a faggot and I've had enough of his autistic shenanigans. You just wait.
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>>102282999

Yeah sure Kaworu is ahead of everyone else, but the race will still be neck on neck till the very end.
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>>102282789
I knew I didn't filter that cumsack tripfaggot for nothing.
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There's nothing special about Eva. Only the plebs who started watching shit in the mid 90s put it on a pedestal. Much the same way the Adult Swim generation worships the fuck out of Bebop. If Eva accomplished anything, it was introducing the most beta piece of shit MC anime has ever seen. Its pretty indefensible, since the manga managed to tell the same story without going to such extremes.
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>>102282986
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>>102283102
I'm pretty usre JTS isn't actually a Kaworufag.

The thread in that screencap was actually laughing at Kaworufags' autism on a different site. That was just a quote he took.
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>>102282993
Touji, shut the fuck up you flaming faggot.
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>>102283073
motherfucker
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>>102282981
As far as Eva relationships go it's pretty happy. Mari doesn't seem to mind her being so abrasive all the time and Asuka just likes having a friend. I could see it being a turning point in 4.0 depending on how the movie unfolds.
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>>102283073
animooted
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>>102283292
Kaworu is moe.
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>>102283226
As if I'd actually give that red-eyed slut the time of day.
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>>102283073
Fucking five star post
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>>102282981
Swear to go, this is the first time I'm actually hoping the preview material isn't featured in the movie.
And thus it's probably going to be the first time Anno makes it happen
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>>102283321
Especially when his upper torso and neck are all bloated.
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>>102283347
You already did.
Faggot.
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>>102283418
I know. I want to force my cock in his detached head.
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Is this a shipping war thread?

I liked the last one.
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>>102283884
No.
Best fitting with that face is Mari
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>>102283268
The problem with Mari as we saw now is that she is too much of a fixer for her own safety. She is nice to Evas and pilots alike (her interaction with Rei Q comes too mind) They will need to add something that stops Shinji from talking calmly to her otherwise she is just going to start to fix one of his main problems way too easily
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>>102283884

Nah we are just entertaining autist-kun
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>>102283884
Sure why not. I'll get us started.

>My ship is best despite not actually existing in any form outside of fan art and my depraved mind.
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>>102282657
Both.

I want to see if things can get any worse for Shinji and if he'll go giant naked godmode to restore the world during 5th impact.

I don't care which kid wins the evenjellylions as long as it isn't Mari, though I'm rooting for Kaworu or Rei. Not sure about Asuka anymore when she's being paired with Mari.
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>>102284033

Small time
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>>102284079
I swear I saw a Maya x Hikari somewhere
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What the fuck is with /a/ and talking about Eva all of a sudden?

Jesus christ I think this is the seventh thread I have seen in the last 12 hours.

Anyway, the term "deconstruction" means that Anno took the cliches of Mecha shows, and just disregarded them. It's a deconstruction because he looked at what makes these shows "work", the cliches and mainstays, and broke them.

If you look at the show as Shinji being the dense MC with a harem of woman, Asuka the typical tsundere and Rei the quiet one, Anno's vision starts to fall together.

He wanted to inject the harsh reality of how insane the idea of some random child saving the world.
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>>102283951
Well it'll either be Shinji starts another impact or she gets dropped by the MP Evas before they have a chance to talk.
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>>102284033
But that's my OTP you fucking peasant.
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>>102284163
>talking about Eva
>all of a sudden

We've been at it for years
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>>102282969
>What if Anno made 3.0 shitty on purpose so he could completely surprise us all when 4.0 comes out?

That is 90% likely what's going to go down.
I don't expect 4.0 to explain everything but I expect it to explain a good deal of it.
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>>102283951

Good thing she is a backstabbing spy then
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>>102284225
I have been coming to this board daily for years and I have never seen this many threads about Eva without something being released.

I think it all started from that one guy posting a thread asking people to send questions about Eva they had his way and he would answer them. I saw like two of those threads last week, and from that I decided to finally finish Eva (I stopped after three episodes because I wasn't in the mood for the apparent "loldeep" which totally was not what Eva was). I finished it yesterday, and since then I have seen tons of threads about it.

I guess some other people decided to watch it from seeing those threads as well, or it's a coincidence.
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>>102284369
But who is she really siding with here?

Gendo? Seele? There are some theories she's working for Kaji too.
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>>102284304
Keep dreaming, goy
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>>102284064
>Kaworu or Rei
But they're dead.

How do people keep forgetting this
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>>102284564
Did you watch EoE?
Adam and Lilith are immortal and do whatever the fuck they want. Death can't stop them.
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>>102284369
A lot of that is speculation but it's pretty interesting if even some of it is true.
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>>102284698
They need a body, you inbred faggot.
That's why in the next movie they will be spam Rei Potato and Kaworu clones in the thousands and use them as projectiles, probably
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>>102284728
>A lot of that is speculation
>implying Eva threads are not 99,8% speculation
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>>102284728

It's just trying to make sense of the mess 3.0 was. Especially of the knowledge Mari randomly has

Like in which plug Shinji is sitting or the ejection lever
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>>102284819
What is the .2% then?
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>>102284698
But Rei technically isn't Lilith. And unless they find a way to get her out of unit 01, it can't happen.

I see no reason why Kaworu would come back. He didn't even stay with Shinji in EoE.
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>>102284857
Khara employees indirectly asking for ideas and gathering them
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>>102284877
Kaworu will just loop to another universe like he did in EoE.
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>>102284564
It doesn't matter since they're immortal time-twisting eldritch abominations who can pop up at any time as long as they have a spare body.

The only people you should be worrying for are Mari, Misato and Asuka.

Maybe not even Asuka since she's some weird angel hybrid thing now.
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>>102284934
>like he did in EoE
>loop
Not so fast
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>>102284841
But we really don't know if any of the newer Evas have external ejection systems. Unit 08 could have one for all we know and I'd say Shinji being in the right plug is just to keep the flow of the action sequence going.
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>>102284940

Two people are surviving this thing 100%, because there is some universal unwritten law that they have to survive.
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>>102285055
Oh I see where this is going, you're an LASfag.
Well now. Not going to bother.
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>>102284981

Actually given the fact Shinji had to cut open Eva00 to extract the plug, and no eva was ever shown having an external eject it safe to assume 13 was the first to have one
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>>102285130

What? No, it's just a fact that they both make it out alive in the manga and in NGE
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>>102284980
Loop shit is practically happening no matter how retarded and recycled the concept is.
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>>102285136
Unit 00 is a prototype, the presence or lack of a system on it is meaningless in comparison to the other Evas. We never see an Eva other than 00 in a situation where external ejection would be necessary.
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>>102284471
that guy has been here for years

>I decided to finally finish Eva (I stopped after three episodes because I wasn't in the mood for the apparent "loldeep" which totally was not what Eva was)

get the fuck out
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>>102280116
Because Shinji finally accepted his reality
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>>102277854
anyone who says "x is a deconstruction of y" has no clue what the fuck they're talking about.
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>>102285183
>retroactive looping theory
No thanks. I'll stick with my NGE + EoE.
I'll never acknowledge it seriously
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>>102285356
spoken like a true /v/tard
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>>102285399
you and me both

although, I would like to see the manga get animated after the inevitable release of the NGE/EoE BDs
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>>102285399

It's to late anon
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>>102285399
You can choose to deny the canon now, just don't complain later.
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>>102285513
I want to see Kaworu just lose his shit and murder Shinji with his Adam powers in 4.0
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>>102285464
>animated manga
Overall, 24 minutes of different (cut/changed/added) content. No need. Just make an OVA or whatever.

>>102285513
>implying I care

>>102285522
NGE+EoE was a complete work. Anno thought of it as a complete work and stopped there, that's all I needed.
I don't really care if 20 years later he came up with another idea to milk the franchise some more and wanted (if confirmed) to attach it to the previous and independent work.
NGE+EoE is still complete in its own.
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>>102285399
Anno says he can't get Devilman loops off his mind regarding Eva
His wife makes spinoff Kawoshin manga that involves looping.
Looping cycles thrown in as a last minute cop-out for the manga.
Kaworu's dialogue in rebuild heavily hinting at looping cycles.
Mentioned in the SRW game he wrote for.
There's stupid looping crap involved every shitty spinoff now.

I don't like it either but it's happening. Anno is stooping to generic Marvel/shoujo levels of retcon with Rebuild whether we like it or not.
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>>102285699
In episode 26 they already stated there were multiple universes.
It was always there.
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>>102285768
I'm not retarded, I know that. Of course it's happening, of course they're gonna push it. I'm just saying that whether they do it or not it's not like NGE+EoE is gonna be "modified" in itself.

Like buying a Skyline and then modding it with spoilers and bullshit made for her: of course they fit, but the Skyline will always be a car without spoilers.

This said, yes the loop thing will be most likely pulled off, but who gives a shit.
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>>102285904
Yeah sure.
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>>102277854
I dont even know what they fuck with deconstruction. I'm so confused
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>>102285768

The moment Anno said he was removing the sexual elements of the story because they were "distracting" everyone knew Rebuild was going to be garbage.

How the fuck can you remove such a vital peace of characterization and hope to keep the depth NGE had?
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>>102285578
Evil Kaworu?
That would be truly amazing.

Maybe then I'll finally give a fuck about his character.
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>>102284369
What's the blacked out text? I'm pretty sure the first one is IPEA but I can't guess at the second one.
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>>102286031
>The moment Anno said he was removing
>not the moment when another revamp of the franchise was announced
>not the moment when, coincidentally after enough years of Rei Potato Chips and Lilith chopsticks to make Jewdeaki Anno wealthier than Bill Gates, the Master declared he was going to make a bis for the sake of anime and mankind -totally not for the shekels

>>102286051
>Evil Kaworu?
>That would be truly amazing.
>Maybe then I'll finally give a fuck about his character.
Seconded with every fucking cell of my body.
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>>102286031
I wouldn't call it vital. It was some sexual tension between Shinji and Asuka that didn't do anything the rest of the plot wouldn't have anyway.
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>>102286051
That would be unexpected and probably one of the most interesting that could happen both to plot device space Jesus and to the Rebuild
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>>102286278
>I wouldn't call it vital.

I would, and you just need to look at Ritsuko to see how non-existent her characterisation is now that she isn't sexually engaged with Gendo
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>>102286278
Nigger NGE is fucking filled with sexual elements and imagery of all kinds.
The Asuka affair is just the tip of the iceberg
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>>102286253
>>102286051

Anno is to much of a pussy to make him go full Ryo Asuka so that ain't happening
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>>102286457
Fucking fat faggot.
Says he want to fuck with his fanbase and doesn't even have the balls to do something a little more hardcore in that pile of shit the Rebuild is.
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>>102286337
Ritsuko was always a secondary character to the main cast so I wouldn't really toss that out as an example.

In the end all the story needed was Shinji to retreat back into self imposed isolation and Asuka to have a complete breakdown. The awkward sexual tension between them pushed it along but it wasn't the driving force.

>>102286357
Half baked Fruedian symbolism is one thing NGE could have easily gone without from a plot perspective. It's might be part of what makes it memorable but once everyone knows the name it can be pretty safely discarded.
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>>102286539
>from a plot perspective
That's the point, NGE isn't all about the plot
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>>102286457
This is true. He doesn't have the balls to make his fantasy husbando evil or insane.

There is a higher chance of us getting switcheroo AU TV series like pic related instead.
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>>102286539

What about Misato and Kaji then? As far as Rebuild is concerned they were drinking buddies and nothing more

A whole fucking facet of characterization was lost. And what was gained? CGI lasers and Mari? That's not a worthwhile trade-off in the least
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>>102286539
NGE is more about characters than the plot.
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>>102286649
>Jesus Yamato is still in the top 5 of every Newtype issues

My God this will actually happen
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>>102286573
>>102286680
It's character driven but it still has a plot it has to move along. The whole Fruedian aspect of the show didn't really do anything for either. It did however make for memorable imagery. A lot like the Christian imagery.

>>102286659
It's still heavily implied they were lovers in college. They even reused the entire scene where Shinji meets Kaji and he asks him about how she looks when she sleeps.
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>>102286872
Well except the christian imagery is there exclusively for the mood, the whole angel travesty could have been a generic Alien one, whereas freudian aspects blended in with the characters and their relationships, ultimately influencing the plot itself and simply making up part of the whole NGE experience. Also, they might have taught a thing or two to someone. Not that you would need more than 15 minutes on a book to learn the same, but still.
Ultimately, blending those elements in the show raised the quality of Anno's direction.
Negating those elements woule be quite a large sottraction to NGE
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>>102285513
Anno will never take any TRUE experiment risks with NGE.

We will never get truly new and substantial material that contributes to grand structure of Eva's mythos and plot.

We'll never see a mini series that focuses solely on the adults, the foundations of the seele and the events that preceeded second impact.

We'll never get an OVA about the FAR, their mysterious extinction event and how the seeds came to be.

We'll never know anything about the other NERV districts or foreign seele branches and if they would or could ever get pilots of their own.

Instead it'll just be a repeating treadmill of Shinji Ikari's story - the walking self-insert while Khara and other various studios continue to milk the current children for all their worth while they recycle their sob stories we already know by heart in increasingly ridiculous ways, turning them into hollow shells of their former selves while we slowly forget about their struggles and why we came to love them in favor of who wins the love game and guessing frivolous plotfodder for the sake of uneeded complexity, because figures of cute little girls and boys just earn them THAT much money.
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>>102287261
What was the First Impact?
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>>102287110
Freudian elements can be shoehorned into pretty much anything but that doesn't make it a good addition. You can do the same thing through an internal introspection that you can do through external dialog between characters. In this case the introspection doesn't feel forced but at the same time would the series have been worse if we had dialog between characters rather than internally? I'm inclined to say no.
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>>102287339
Something that will never be fully explained or shown in detail.
Lilith accidentally crashed onto Adam's planet and sent him into hybernation mode. That's all we'll ever know.
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>>102287539
>shoehorned
But that's where you're wrong. They blend in with pretty much everything and they're not only addiction but often pivotal points.
I regret not saving the screencaps about this stuff
>I'm inclined to say no
It would have been a different product, simply put. Which is not worse or better, it's just different
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>>102287843
>a different product
Yes, much more subtle.
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>>102287843
I'm not saying NGE shoehorned it in, I'm saying that being able to include Freud isn't particularly hard.

Really we see most of the introspection through dialog between characters anyway. The only difference would be one or more characters would be aware of Shinji's internal state through the course of the show. That changes his situation slightly in that he's opened up to someone but depending on what capacity they exist in it could make almost no difference.
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>>102287261
>Instead it'll just be a repeating treadmill of Shinji Ikari's story - the walking self-insert while Khara and other various studios continue to milk the current children for all their worth while they recycle their sob stories we already know by heart in increasingly ridiculous ways, turning them into hollow shells of their former selves while we slowly forget about their struggles and why we came to love them in favor of who wins the love game and guessing frivolous plotfodder for the sake of uneeded complexity, because figures of cute little girls and boys just earn them THAT much money.

this shit right here, is why every fan of the series should stay away from the rebuilds.



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