I'm in goddamn love with Steins;Gate and so is everyone else I know, so I find myself in a criticism-free bubble when I know there must be plenty of flaws.
So, let's hear your most scathing criticisms of Steins;Gate (specifically the anime).
I just figured there must be SOME people who don't appreciate the S;G hype train, especially on /a/ of all places.
Glad you hate this, it's shit really.
Read the OP. I don't hate it; I love it. Which is exactly why I want to hear YOUR hate. Seriously, any and all criticisms of it I'd love to hear.
>I don't hate it; I love it. Which is exactly why I want to hear YOUR hate
There you are, OP here's your 4chan critisism
>it's shit really
If you really want to find out why it's not perfect (which it nearly is) go look up some proffesional review
I wish I knew what this picture was supposed to imply.
Very surprised to see a thread like this OP, it takes a lot to want to hear criticism of a show you really loved.
To be honest even though I like Rintarou a lot I thought all of the other characters in S;G were not well done, Mayrui probably being the biggest offender here. If you look at a show like Madoka, even though the show was half as long the density of character development outclasses S;G significantly and the cast still ends up being better characterized by the end of it.
Right, do you even know what strange feature 4°c has?
Despite this being a possible bait thread, I'll oblige.
I hate the romance and wish it focused more on the science and plot. Also, I don't like the ending.
I think the character development was so poor because it was extremely centered around Rintarou since he was the only that could do something.
Not enough tut-turuu~
Moeka wasn't as moe as her name implied.
Neither was Tuturu chick, or tsundere-san, or nyanya bitch. In fact, the show should have been only about Rintarou.
Read the VN
Everything is better
That's not a flaw, that's your opinion. You can't even get baited, or so you believe, correctly.
Get the fuck out of here you inbred redneck retard.
that's the point
Thank you both. I can agree on the Mayuri point, though I thought the characterization was pretty spot-on for the others. And yeah, the romance was somewhat overbearing, but I could deal with it.
This is one of the only things that really bothered me watching it. I kept waiting for Kurisu to use the phone wave and go ham, and it never happened. Wasn't expecting Rintarou to be the ONLY one who ever uses it.
You have no idea how hard I'm waiting for it to be released.
Honestly, the first 5 episodes were boring as fuck.
However, 9/10 show.
Moeka is plenty moe and Chicken tenders was worst girl.
I had to watch the 2 cour fabulous adventures of the dream team to basically end up where the series started. In short: nothing of value was gained.
And having memories cross worldlines is a cheap cop out for the romance.
>come into this thread expecting everybody to be pointing out major flaws
>character development was the only real problem
Time to go watch Steins;Gate.
The romance was developed horribly, and SERN should've been more involved. And the Deja Vu movie was horrible.
Despite these, I still enjoyed the anime series a fair bit.
>choosing anime based on /a/'s opinion
C'mon, /a/ has notoriously shit taste and you know it
WHEN YOU'RE ON A CHICKEN BENDER GRAB YOURSELF SOME CHICKEN TENDERS
>C'mon, /a/ has notoriously shit taste and you know it
That explains why you're praising this in here then.
>pointing out its flaws
Play the VN instead, you won't regret it. I don't think the anime is bad, but I don't think it deserves the praise /a/ gives it. There's just too much to fit into the anime, they removed nearly all the science stuff (which were the best parts) and you don't get any alternate endings in the anime (Suzuha's is the one that matters).
Anime is pretty solid 8/10
Novel is 9.5/10, it's not a full 10/10 'cause that's Chaos;Head
my main gripe with Steins gate is that you don't get to see Rintaro pounding Ruka's tight boypussy into oblivion
you cannot be serious, mate. S;G was a far superior product and far more coherent. Chaos;Head's tone felt as schizophrenic as most of the cast.
Is there at least Ruka lovemaking in the VN?
Fuck off to >>>/y/ already you disgusting homo.
>implying Ruka counts as a guy
Pacing was shit. Anime was boring as fuck until CERN raid. After that it was very enjoyable though.
Characters other than MC were pretty generic. And Fenris was annoying. Let's not mention phone-cunt.
At the end when each female character had one episode solo with MC it become kinda jarring. Especially episode with trap which was pretty much filler.
Shopkeeper episode was kinda sudden without proper buildup, but it's minor flaw since they didn't have a lot of time at the end.
Once again characters other than MC were meh. I think only Suzu grabbed me with her "I failed" and the fact that she was one character that did shit. After a lot of episodes that were pretty much casual average SoL, character that was proactive was really nice.
>epik traps maymay no homo XD
Fuck off already, cancer.
For me, the biggest thing that confused me was why everyone just suddenly had the Reading Steiner. Do they ever really explain it, or do they just say that it exists because it exists and everyone just gets it because they can?
Kurisu isn't a very good tsundere. Every once in a while she'll say something like "it's not like I did it for YOU or anything!" and that's the end of it.
Love or hate Fate, THIS is how you do tsundere
Steins Gate devolves into a shitty harem in the second half and has massive pacing issues, especially the VN but the adaption as well.
The movie was shit.
Choas;head was better.
It's not really a unique ability, it's just that Rintarou's ability to see the difference was much better than most. His body/mind/soul or whatever just seemed to be more perceptive than others.
They never explain why anyone has it, presumably it's just one of those things that happens.
Reminder that Suzuha will never come to take you back to the future.
>They never explain why anyone has it, presumably it's just one of those things that happens.
Also known as a plot hole
The general implication is that reading steiner wasn't an "ability" at all, just a sense that everyone has to some degree. Just as some people are born with freaky good smell or hearing, Rintarou was born with freaky good reading steiner.
honestly, the anime isn't bad, but how the fuck do so many people think its a solid 9 or 10/10 anime?
>first half is boring as sin
>characters are pretty standard/uninteresting
>gets "intense" but full of time travel paradoxes and loopholes
>shitty, poorly developed, unnecessary romance plot
Like honestly, there are so many visible flaws I couldn't see giving this higher than a 6/10
how the fuck is this rated the 3rd best anime of all time
>watching the dub
>anything which is unexplained is a plot hole
So any anime which doesn't explain why humans exist has a plot hole? It's just an inherent part of the world, see >>102261571
No an anime that doesn't explain the most crucial plot point in the series has a plot hole. And that's not an explanation, that's a fan made rationalization
Daru and Suzu sound terrible
Kurisu is too black and white with her tsundereness
Moeka didn't get beaten enough
Okabe explains it as well as can logically be expected. He specifically says that it's not an ability, and everyone has it to a certain degree. The only way you can get a more detailed explanation than that would be to either A. Talk to that world's God, or B. Talk to a physicist from centuries in that world's future after they've studied the phenomenon in more depth. Neither of these solutions makes sense in the context of the story Steins;Gate was telling.
Having a more detailed explanation than they gave would be a bigger plot hole than not having one. Every fictional universe has rules, reading steiner is simply one of those rules, one that specifically has JUST been discovered. They don't know how it works, and therefore it doesn't follow to have you as the viewer know how it works.
They didn't start out where they started, and people remembering things across world lines makes much more sense in the VN.
Faris had the best alternate ending.
Chaos;Head, while great, had some problems in the writing department. Apparently Noah did fix a lot of the stuff when it came to characters, but we're never gonna get that...
Read the VN.
Not that anon, but I also see Rintarou's reading Steiner to be a poor piece of writing. The problem with it is that it is actually not a part of the base premise. For example, magical energy in Madoka Magica is an exception to the normal rules of physics; that is part of the premise. In S;G, the idea that everyone has a small reading steiner part of that show's time travel mechanics that makes up the premise. However, Rintarou's high-powered reading steiner is in turn an exception to that rule, it is twice-removed, an exception to the base premise. And it never gets explained. It's like if Harry Potter was the special chosen magician but nobody ever gave a reason why. That's what makes it a bad piece of writing.
Damn, trying to use italics for the first time here and it doesn't work.
They do note that Okabe had a terrible sickness in the year 2000 which is where he thinks it started. And we do later find out that there was a split in the attractor fields that time, so they must be related.
Now, I'm not saying this vague explanation actually says anything, but it does create a mystery that could be touched upon in future SciADV works. Plus, Chaos;Head had all to do with Gigalomaniacs and delusions and whatever, so Reading Steiner could be related to that stuff.
I can't look at this show/VN objectively because I enjoyed it so much
Next Braun chapter when Steiner?
ludo-ra-- I mean reading steiner is busy with other things right now
>I'm a massive fucking faggot and downloading is hard
Are we talking only the series, without Deja vu?
If so, then I barely have any criticism of it.
The only thing I wished they did better was character depth. They should've explored Ruka's problems a bit better, as well as make Mayuri a little less autistic.. But even that is done better than most other shows out there.
It's one of the few sci-fi shows that has no plotholes.If you don't cout Deja vu, of course.
>yfw the supposedly plot breaking stuff from Deja Vu is later revealed to be super important
How bout the fact that it's BORING AS FUCK.
Seriously, I couldn't get past episode 7 because it was so boring. Fanboys all say that the "charm" of the characters make up for the boring parts but I have to disagree. I thought all the characters were dull, especially the MC who to me was just an unfunny idiot. I can tell that they tried to make him look charming in a stupid/funny kind of way but for me it was just stupid. Everyone told me that it doesn't get good until episode 13. There is no way I could waddle through 12 episodes of shit to get to the "good part", it just wasn't worth it.
All in all, I have no idea what all the rave is about. Sure, lots of anime start off slow to get you comfortable with the characters and whatnot, but, shit, this was a snails pace. Shows like "Monster" start off slow too, but at least it kept me interested. Not just some ass-hat scientist who runs around like an idiot trying to be funny and thinking he's hot shit.
I really don't understand what people like about this show.
>pic filename related to my description of this anime
That would alleviate any criticism I have for that movie. Still a 7/10 in my books, for Kurisu alone. I just hate that it was more of a fanservice movie rather than something to advance the plot.
The thing I don't like about the SciADV series is how much it fluctuates in tone and quality. They better not fuck my Steins;Gate up later on.
the characters are so fucking dull its unbelievable
I just thought it was odd they never considered the implications of a fiber optic line all the way from Japan to France
What am I missing by not playing the VN? I read that the anime left out a lot of scenes? What were they exactly.
are we still dull
New project or personal things?
This is literally the reason I started this thread.
Here's what you're missing:
1. Much more depth to everything and explanations for all the science stuff. Also, the anime changed some stuff around for no real reason, which created questions and plot holes in the anime.
2. Some cut out scenes, the most notable of is a certain Nae scene.
3. Alternate endings.
Basically, if you want to actually know everything, read the VN. The added depth also adds more emotion to things too.
once again, the majority of the thread's complaints come down to the characterization, which is always a subjective issue. some people will think CHRISTIIIIIIIIIINA is annoying, other people will see her as their one and only waifu.
Given that this series is based off of a VN, and a VN that is *heavily* character development-centric, it is perhaps natural that a lof of their development is missing. However, most detractors don't seem to be the type who would take the time to dig deeper in regards to develop the characters more, so I find their arguments are invalid.
I will posit this, as a simple possibility for you: You might like the series because its, you know, genuinely good. I know that when I was viewing it for the first time, I marathon'd it in 2 days, then watched the movie, then immediately thought of 4 people I know who would also absolutely love it and my desire to share the experience was spewing out of me left and right.
So apparently everyone has access to this in English already. What's the most reputable translation available?
The official one coming out at the end of March. It's being done by the same team that did the fan translation (there's only one), and they're cleaning up their old work and making it much better.
In the meantime, read the Chaos;Head VN.
What about Kurisu scenes?
It's mostly the same, but they're longer and have more depth.
Here's one thing that was very much shortened in the anime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU6yD2VcC2U&noredirect=1
One thing in the anime that annoyed me was how Kurisu's love for Okabe too a bit sudden/wasn't build up better. Did the VN do a better job at that or was that the same too?
Pretty much the same.
I fucking loved the anime. But it did suffer from a slow start, and it didn't really flesh out the romance till the movie. The fact that it was adapted from a visual novel means that it has harem syndrome. These are my qualms with the show
he wants your semen
Really? That's disappointing.
Why do you feel it was too sudden?
I think it was done better in Spice and Wolf.
There wasn't enough bonding to make it stick in my eyes.
Only thing I really didn't like has do to with the VN, and it's the bullshit backtracking you have to do if you want the true end and didn't pick every choice correctly (which is impossible to do with a guide and tedious at best to do even with a guide)
other than that, characters were great, pacing was great, they made the time travel microwave not completely laughable, and it was a satisfying climax/ending. 8/10 for the anime adaptation (you can't include every great part but they almost did) and 9/10 for the VN
Yep, that sums it up alright.
Not a Sci Adv thread but I have a question.
Th 4th New Gen case was done with the LHC or not?
Kurisu is a shitty tsundere bitch who gets on my nerves. Mayuri is a useless autist who has a knack for getting killed.
But...he's a guy...
>Never explained why Kurisu was so adamantly suspected of being SERN.
A serious plot point that had me wondering if she was FB. A serious plot point that went nowhere.
Frodo asks, [Why didn't we check for suzus letter before she went back to the 70's
But yea. S2 when?
What? Yeah they did. Suzu came from a future where Kurisu was essentially the Queen Bitch of SERN. It wasn't what Kurisu had done; it was what she was going to do. That's why the two of them had that moment of reconciliation at the time machine.
Were you just not paying attention at all?
Just as a note, if my memory is not failing (and it admitedly does quite often) it's implied future kurisu while being head scientist for SERN she is being forced to do so.
And we didn't check for Suzu's letter because it wasn't there yet because she hadn't gone yet. That's how Steins;Gate avoids most traditional time travel paradoxes - time travel or any other form of altering the world line doesn't alter the line itself; it simply shifts your consciousness to a different world line in which the events match up. Before Suzu left, they were in a worldline where she hadn't gone to the past. Once she did, they were in one where she had.
That's probably from the VN. I haven't read it yet, but I've watched the anime twice recently and there's not much indicating that. The only clue we get to Kurisu's future demeanor in the anime is Suzu's burning hatred.
Yes, that's what Suzuha says happened. And through most of the entire show after that point I kept waiting for something from Kurisu that would suggest why she would do such a thing, some kind of motive or trait in her personality that would incline her to join SERN. And we never get it, there is no logical line of connection that brings together what we hear about Kurisu from the future with the person she was in the show. I consider that to be a failure of characterization.
I guess that's a point the anime never gave proper explanation for
No, the guy was just sucked of all his blood. It's in the B ending.
In the VN, Suzuha suspects that Kurisu's parents were taken hostage, and this is confirmed in Phenogram.
Though that takes place in most world lines, in some others the events of the short story The Distant Valhalla takes place. Check it out, it's a good read.
I'm pretty sure it was explained in both endings
>I watched the anime a long time ago
>Enjoyed back then
>Dont fit to discuss in this thread
>Let me have my memories of an amazing S;G
All i have to say
In the VN, Suzuha thinks it's because of her parents being held hostage..
In the anime, when they reconcile at the broken time machine, Kurisu says something along the lines of "I don't care what happens between us in the future, right now we need to run" or something like that.
Granted, thinking back that was a plot point that was just left out in the air, but I kind of appreciate the fact that at least they addressed it somehow.
It was OK. Definitely not a 9 or 10/10. I don't understand why people love it, but not that much reason to hate it either. Characters were a bit shallow, pacing was kinda shit too. I expect anything with time-traveling shenanigans to take a long time to come full circle, but the end was underwhelming, and it feels like they really stretched this one out to come out with all their episodes.
I didn't like Okabe, because he seemed kind of dumb, but at least he didn't seem like an unoriginal character. Otaku guy was all right, Tuturu, made me want to throw her in a fire, Kurisu would have been unbearable if she wasn't generic Tsundere #34351. She seems like a "deconstruction" of a Tsundere, but they played it straight a lot, which was pretty annoying. I fucking hate tsunderes. I like traps, but I found trap-kun annoying for some reason. Maybe I was just wishfully hoping he'd be a cumdump at the end, or something.
The most compelling character for me was that bike... girl. Watched this show forever ago, so I don't remember the names too well, but her story was the most interesting. Also, the whole CERN(SERN?) plot/subplot just sucked ass, because it felt completely underdeveloped, like a deformed limb of a baby with a birth defect, even though they kept murdering Tuturu.
It has a really really slow start.
Like the OP, I love this franchise so much that it may be my favorite thing ever.
Objective views are opinions, by the way. Just because you found it extremely boring because the characters "have no development" it doesn't mean everyone did.
Although, it is true Steins;Gate has no plot holes. Fire any questions at me, I can explain.
I was glad they didn't try to explain his reading steiner and think that the series was better without it. The entire story was about this guy who stumbled upon a great discovery and got in over his head. All the information he got was either by trial and error or on a need-to-know basis. The reason why he had this ability wasn't a concern, it mattered that he had it and how he could use it. The only people who would have known would have been his future self and Suzuha. He didn't have the time to tell himself, and Suzuha had no reason to tell him why he had it. Also, not knowing why added to the theme of not knowing what was really going on or what should or could be done. For me, I am glad that reading steiner was unexplained, and think that some sort of explanation would have taken away from the series.
Basically every goddamn detail has already been discussed in past SciADV threads.
No plot holes were discovered.
in the VN he looks a lot more Churazy Sayantist
The only thing I can really think of is Faris' dad staying alive.
I can't tell if people are talking about the anime or the VN. If you haven't played the VN, you are seriously missing out.
And yeah, the VN plot is air-fucking-tight.
I agree that finding a show boring is just an opinion. But statements about the amount of character development in an anime can be backed up by the actual events in the show and the characters themselves. In SG's case the lack of good character development in almost all of the cast can be justified for example by pointing out Mayuri's weak character arc.