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Alright, I went and did. I have been watching anime for a long time, and coming to this board for just as long, but I somehow managed to avoid watching Evangelion until now.

I watched it, in its entirety, other the last three days.

I constantly see the "What the fuck did I just watch" accompanied by an image from the "congratulations" scene. I don't know, that wasn't even a mindfuck, it was just sort of bad.

I really, really, REALLY liked the show up until I guess episode like 20 or so. I had heard all the stories about what went down with the last few episodes before I watched (impossible to avoid that type of discussion) but it just seemed bad. The mechs were awesome, the action was really satisfying, really great characters (except shitty Asuka who acted like a cunt for no fair reason), and it kept everything interesting until the last cut to black. I thought the ending was going to fuck my view of life up and shit, but it was just a shitty ending to a really awesome show.

Is that how people perceived it when it aired though, with anger? Because I am more angry than "mind fucked". I wanted a fucking resolution and that shit was not a resolution.

The pacing was so fucked for those last episodes. Who the fuck was that white haired dude? Why did Shinji fall in love with him? What the fuck is a Lilim? Was Rei literally just Yui reincarnated or some shit?

It was definitely worth watching, and I am really glad something like that, of that caliber, exists. It's really cool, from an artistic and fan's perspective, that a show that good could fall apart that fast and create that big a mark on the medium.

Still, just imagine if they were given a third season, what they could have done with it. What a waste, but I feel like it's maybe for the best that things happened the way they did with that show.
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I can only read "TOSHINO KYOKO" from your post.
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I could clearly understand why you didn't like it. You don't appreciate the reasons why a lot of people like it. I personally wouldn't have minded if there were no actual fights between Angels and Evas, if it happened not to have any correlation to the main theme.

Watch the Rebuilds, since those are for the people who are looking for the other part of Eva.
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>>102251936
>except shitty Asuka who acted like a cunt for no fair reason
Opinion discarded.
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>>102252282
Also read some articles on the wiki, if you actually care about why the characters behaved in the way they did.
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>>102252302
This. OP is like those people who would like Pacific Rim more than Eva to be honest.
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>>102251936
>>>/v/
You're exactly the reason why Anno hates everyone
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>>102251936
>Who the fuck was that white haired dude? Why did Shinji fall in love with him? What the fuck is a Lilim? Was Rei literally just Yui reincarnated or some shit?

You sure you actually watched those episodes? It's all explained in show.
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>>102251936
>tumblr
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>>102252282
>>102252328
>>102252366
No, this is that dumb "2deep4u" shit. Fucking stop with that.

I hated Pacific Rimjob. It was just shitty mech fighting.

I went into Eva, being told it was this amazing mindfuck with crazy themes, and it was just a regular mech show, with some adult conflict. It was very, very well done, but the ending was fucking bad.

Like I said, I really like Eva in theory, the idea of the team saying fuck and pretty much going crazy, jamming way too much exposition in and then just giving up entirely with the last episode.

I really think the people who came out of it saying "Yeah I understood that ending that was awesome!" are lying to themselves. You weren't supposed to understand. You were supposed to be angry with the ending.

Also, being angry with the shows ending does not mean I didn't get "it". I really liked the ending, but it made me angry because as far as ending a TV show goes, it was bad.

>>102252302

I disliked her in the way someone would dislike a heel in wrestling. I think her character was supposed to be disliked to a degree, just like the ending.
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>>102252660
Watch End of Evangelion, that is all.

It's a much better conclusion and it explains some elements better.
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>>102252302
He's right though. Asuka is an unlikable childish bitch that's sexually attractive (to anime fans and pedophiles).
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>>102252660
>I really think the people who came out of it saying "Yeah I understood that ending that was awesome!" are lying to themselves. You weren't supposed to understand. You were supposed to be angry with the ending.

But assuming that you're supposed to be angry at the ending is precisely what pretending that you understood the ending means. You don't like it that people think they understand it and then you go on to say that you understand it.
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>>102252808
Asuka thread? Good idea
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>>102253002
Why are Asukafags so shit?
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>>102253080
A few of them are pretty shitty
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>>102253002
Don't. Instead discuss without shitposting.
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You have to make your own resolution. That's the point of the series.
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>>102252938
No, I am saying that when people are like "Oh, he was angry literally hours after watching it? He must just not get it and only wants to see robots fight each other." they are wrong.

My interpretation of it was that they wanted you to be angry, *not understand the actual plot*. I could be wrong, I could be right, but assuming that if you didn't understand everything that happened in the last hour of the show meant you didn't like the "psychological" aspect of the show is fucking dumb.

If you watched the show for the first time and were like "Yes, the Lilim were X and Rei was X and that is why X happened" you either read up on the show before hand or are guessing. They never meant for anyone to "get it" at least right after viewing it.
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>>102251936
>doesn't understand Asuka's point
>doesn't understand Rei
>doesn't understand Kowaru
>doesn't know what Lilim is

>somehow feels entitled to discuss and even exposed his opinion about it
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>>102252808
Rei is an unlikable emotionless doll that's sexually attractive (to anime fans and pedophiles).

Yes, that is what they appear to be at face value. No that's not what either of them are.
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>>102253705
Rei isn't that, but Asuka is. So no.
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>>102253705
>Rei is constantly compared to being a doll by Asuka
>Asuka had some weird shit with her mom involving dolls

It's shit like this, shit that they clearly wanted to expand upon later, but rushed at the end.

I think them evening making EoE and the rebuilds and shit is their way of saying they wanted to do more with the show, and the people who think the ending was purposeful are wrong.
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>>102253705
That's not right.
Asuka IS this exactly: >>102252808
She's unlikable, she's childish and a bitch.
Those are facts, but this: >>102253705
except somewhat "unlikable" isn't right.

You know Rei is emotional from ep1, you know she's not a doll, but she can be quite unlikable.

Now, Asuka has more sides to her, but it doesn't change (in fact it enforces) that she's an unlikable, childish bitch.

Rei's other sides (and development) convinces you of the opposite, that Rei is far more likable than she first appears. With Asuka the opposite point is made, that the more you know her, the less you like her.
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>>102251936
>really great characters (except shitty Asuka who acted like a cunt for no fair reason)

But they did give her a reason. Her entire character was set up so that she appears confident and self sufficient and a complete bitch so you end up with a negative opinion of her until it's revealed that she a Shinji are extremely similar, they only choose to deal with their problems in almost exactly opposite ways. That doesn't mean you have to like her but to say she had no reason to act like a bitch is the same as saying Shinji has no reason to act like a pussy.
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>>102253938
Actually they want to retcon that part by the looks of it. Can't hurt their precious little Asuka, gotta doll her up for the Rebuilds and make her look cool instead.

The rebuilds are a joke.
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>I really think the people who came out of it saying "Yeah I understood that ending that was awesome!" are lying to themselves. You weren't supposed to understand. You were supposed to be angry with the ending.

Holy fuck you are so stupid. Please stop posting.
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>>102253992
>But they did give her a reason.
Might want to re-read, he said "fair" reason.

It means that while there's a presented reason, it still doesn't make it a fair reason in his (and many other's) opinion.
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EoE is still one of the greatest things i've had the pleasure of watching.
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>>102254000
I hate what the rebuilds did to Asuka. I guess it's kind of cool seeing her all "action girl" but it feels so hollow now. I think Asuka's character suffered the most in the rebuilds closely followed by Shinji. Hell they even screwed over Rei in 3.0 but at least they tried to give her more focus in 1 and 2.
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>>102254297
Going to have to discard your opinion due to blatant asukafaggotry.
Don't kid yourself, you love it like the rest but say otherwise as to not appear like a faggot.
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>Naoko kills Rei, dies
>Ritsuko kills Reis, dies

Don't mess with muh Rei-Rei mofukka
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>>102254182
Right, which is why I said that doesn't mean you have to like her. It's why a lot of people don't like Shinji. They aren't really meant to be "liked" because they're both such volatile and bitter characters, though some people like them exactly because of that.
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>>102254297
You know what, I don't think you or most other otaku/asukafans do hate it. I don't think I've ever seen asukafans this happy before.

Asuka's character is the character that has suffered the least, in a purely objective manner in the new Rebuild movies second only to Kaworu I think.

>>102254409
>nobody kills Rei
>everyone dies
shame how that works doesn't it?
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>>102254182
Maybe I was misreading this scene, but was it implied/stated that for part of the show she was a cunt because she was on her period?

It's shit like that that makes me wonder if I hate her because she is poorly written or hate her because she is written too much like a real person.

She constantly changes her opinions on everything, and her motives, just like a real person would. That feels lazy though, since the other characters don't due this nearly as much.
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>>102254377
Not him, but the main reason I liked Asuka was how she was adored by everyone and she could never see herself as anything more than trash, despite trying to always appear as superior to everyone.
She is portrayed as a totally different person in the Rebuilds, which degrades her character completely.
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>>102254440
Well yes, although you can't use Shinji as a crutch for Asuka for defense. They did things differently and that's the most important thing about it. Shinji did semi-good and even applaudable, Asuka didn't.

On the whole both deserve sympathy from a humanitarian point of view, but for characters like Shinji most reserve a bit of extra admiration and sympathy in comparison with Asuka.
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>>102254377
Sorry, next time i'll be sure to post with a picture of Rei so your autism doesn't flare up
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>>102254506
Yeah that's the same kind of dumb asukafaggotry that makes your opinion worthless.
If you can't make a proper evaluation just don't even bother responding.

>>102254578
Oh come on don't be like that cause I was right.
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>>102251936
Have you watched EoE yet?
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>>102254578
>>102254506
oh and see >>102254475
that serves my point better.
It's practically insane to think they haven't massively upgraded Asuka for the pleasure of the fans.
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>>102254654
>If you can't make a proper evaluation just don't even bother responding.

Is there something wrong with you? Why are you telling me the characters are the same, when they clearly aren't?
Is this just an elaborate ruse?
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>>102254485
Blaming it all on a period? Really?
She's a fictional character written like a bitch.... if you hate bitches, then hate her. The character is good anyway.
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>>102254722
>It's practically insane to think they haven't massively upgraded Asuka for the pleasure of the fans.

What pleasure are you talking about? Having a cardboard character showing more skin is better now? Just fuck off.
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>>102254723
You're being a dumbass that's why I'm telling you this. Make a proper evalutation, which includes the entire setting thus far and what's actually done instead of using only one factor as one-dimensional as "focus".

Don't be that brainless guy that drags down the quailty of the thread.
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>>102254773
for asukafans, apparently
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>>102254836
What the actual fuck are you on about? What the fuck do you even want me to say? Do you actually want me to say to you that I liked Asuka's character in Rebuild more when I clearly stated why I don't?
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>Shinji feared rejection
>Asuka feared being alone (same thing as Shinji)
>Rei feared ?

Did Rei fear living? The whole "Vanishing life...My wish....I don't like it" thing seems to suggest that, but why would she fear life? I thought it was implied that she feared death, not life, but then the last episode blatantly says otherwise.
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>>102254957
No I want you to be objective. Forget about whether or not you liked it.
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>>102255006
You're just fucking with me at this point. Read >>102254506 again.
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>>102254770
You, uh, need to write in a more cohesive manner dude. It's hard to understand exactly what you are getting at.

Regardless, doesn't she grab her side as if she is getting cramps and say "I don't even want children, why is this happening to me?" or some shit?

Like I said, I think it is really weird that they wrote Asuka so dynamically as compared to everyone else. She constantly acts differently, which is normal human behavior, but is shitty when trying to craft fiction.
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>>102254773
Let's face it. People who are fans of these characters more than often don't actually consider their character depth to be all that important.
Asuka in Rebuild is written and portrayed in a fashion that's exclusively positive but still retaining the character's crass attitude. This is all in comparison with the original.

There is, for the fan, quite a lot of fanservice. For fans... this is better. You or I might prefer other things but it doesn't change the fact of what Rebuild Asuka is. Cut out the ego-part of your posting.

If we look at it objectively, it's an upgrade in a superficial sense, and a canonical sense. More importance vs less importance. More success vs less success.

That's what we have to relate to first.

>>102254957
If I might give input it might be that you should stop thinking everyone cares about what you think. When it comes to opinons and all that the most important fact we know is that more people like it than not.
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>>102255088
You're just being a cunt at this point m8
nobody cares what you think
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>>102255179
And you're acting like I care what you think.
Besides I stated how the character was stripped of its personally and was changed altogether, but apparently you refuse to accept it and continue to rant about something I don't actually acknowledge.
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>>102255088
Asukafag pls
YOU might not care, just like others might not care about Asuka in NGE, what's up for discussion as quite frankly the only thing that matters, is what/how the character is represented in the show.

You might not have caught on but in Rebuild, she is represented as a better person, pilot, agent, thinker, everything. This pleases a lot of people.

>>102255131
My point is, Asuka is a well-written character in NGE, whether you like the character or not.
Asuka is also written to be a humongous 13-year old bitch, that's childish and obtuse. That is Asuka. Like it or don't. Doesn't matter.
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>>102255257
Difference about it is that I'm being objective about it, and suggesting that you do the same. I haven't given my opinion on Asuka in Rebuilds.

Go to your twitter or tumblr hugbox if you want to just express opinions nobody will want to read.

All I'm asking is, before you say "I dun like it ;(", try looking at what's there and what changes WITHOUT making a conclusion first.
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>>102255277
Yeah, she is a heel. I know that, but there are also problems with the explanation of her fears in the last few episodes. They are all over the place with trying to compare her to Shinji.
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>>102255137
But how is removing personality traits better? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
Because if you consider the average fan the people who want to see Asuka half-naked or doing extreme shit, then that's fine, and you're right in that regard.
I have always liked Eva but I don't obsess over it, and I don't understand how downgrading a character's personality characteristics can be beneficial to the show and film in this case.
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"Evangelion isn't particularly complex. I don't think we ever intended to create a work of art, either. Me and Anno were big fans of manga and anime and we just wanted to put all of the elements we liked about manga and anime in a single show. Devilman's setting and characterization, Ideon's type of plot, Tomino's usually flawed character relationships, Osamu Tezuka's existencialism... Quite honestly, I think people that say it changed their lives or consider it revolutionary just have not seen much classic anime to compare it with."
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>thread devolves into whining about Asuka
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>>102255436
Yeah, I'm not happy about it either. It was bound to devolve into something terrible.

>>102254699
Not yet, planning on it though.
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>>102255421
>But how is removing personality traits better? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
Because Asuka's "personality traits" are shit. Asuka fans spend half their fandom trying to pretend they don't exist.

>I have always liked Eva but I don't obsess over it, and I don't understand how downgrading a character's personality characteristics can be beneficial to the show and film in this case.
Because it isn't. It's only beneficial to a some people. Coincidentally, they're the people that matters, the asuka fans (average) and possibly even the writers.

Its the same way some characters are written to be worse explicitly, it doesn't benefit the character or necessarily the film, but it benefits some people.

You understand perfectly well. You just don't want to admit it probably.
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>>102255361
You haven't been objective about anything, because you haven't said anything. I don't even know what you're defending.
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>>102255533
...because I'm not defending anything either, just suggesting you get your head of your arse and start being objective.
It's not hard.
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>>102252786

So much this. They ran out of budget for the show so it doesnt have the ending he wanted and the movie fills in that ending. If you dont watch the movie you wont get the whole picture.
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>>102255515
>Because Asuka's "personality traits" are shit. Asuka fans spend half their fandom trying to pretend they don't exist.
That's what I don't get about Asukafags, they just keep erasing her flaws. What's the point in that? You're not really a fan of the character, you're a fan of the version you created in your head.
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>>102255515
Hold on a second. You're saying 'asukafans' both pretend Asuka has a good character arc/personality and like to see her with a different one.
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>>102255593
OBJECTIVE
ABOUT
WHAT
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>>102254699
>He wanted us to be angry

Suck my dick guys I was totally right about how they wanted everyone to perceive the ending.

I guess I will watch EoE right now.
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>>102255635

I prefer Asuka because she is broken. All of her demons with her mother make her character what it is.

Your over generalizing the situation just because one asukafag is insufferable doesnt mean all are in the same way that if one black man steals your tv it doesnt mean all black men steal tvs.
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>>102254987
>Rei feared ?
At first, Rei discovers she's bound to leave a shit life with no real meaning. She doesn't like it, and neither would I or you. But she makes the best of it in a very depressing and limited way.
Rei's future from her PoV is without any hope whatsoever.

That's why she goes around, praying for the day Gendo will let her go so that she will die. Hence the apparent disappointment on her face and voice when she wakes up alive in a hospital. Was she replaced, did she live? Is she the third, the fourth, the fifth? She doesn't know.

But it's not that simple. Rei wants to live as well, which is why her fear becomes not exactly "death", or what death will lead to, but that people will forget her and she will forget the others.
She's met other people, talked to them and grown fond of them, and even if it's a shitty relationship, it's apparently worth living for.
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>>102255816
>Rei wants to live as well, which is why her fear becomes not exactly "death", or what death will lead to, but that people will forget her and she will forget the others.

So Rei feared true non-existence?
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>>102255640
She does have a fairly good character arc and all that in NGE regardless of whether or not people like it.
But yes, they'd like to see her with a different one. New work provides the opportunity for that. Rebuild provides that to a certain extreme most of them don't even notice.

There's absolutely no reason, no plot reason, no character-specific reason at all for Asuka to be where she is in Rebuild at the moment. It's as if there was some kind of God babysitting the Asuka entity. There's nothing shown.

Maybe they'll rewrite it as some kind of "constant" even in the bigger perspective of loops, if you're into that lunacy which could pin it down to plot, but we all know it's the same thing.

>>102255635
Yes, that's how fandoms work a lot of the time. The Asuka one is no different and perhaps even particularly bad at that.
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>>102254699
So he shits on his own franchise because some people didn't like it for the reasons he intended?
Fuck you Anno, you should deal with the fact that some people WILL ALWAYS masturbate to any remotely cute 2D girl.
It's funny though that now he's collecting the money from the people he hates.
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>>102256022
By the end, yes, she feared it. After all it doesn't fully sink in to the character how lonely it is before the end nears.
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>>102256136
Bear in mind that Anno didn't write that post. Someone who posts on 4chan did.
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>>102256064
I'm the first guy, and I'm pretty sure we've been arguing for the wrong reasons.
I'm not even an asukafag, I just liked her imperfections and struggles the same way I liked the struggles of all the other characters.
They just kind of went full fanservice on Rebuild, and that's the only thing I would've skipped if I had known before watching the movies.
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>>102251936
>third season
what?
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Why does every Eva thread devolve into "You aren't allowed to like Asuka because she's a bitch".

What if I like everything about Asuka including the fact that she's a bitch.
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>>102256452
You're only allowed to like Rei.
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>>102256266
Well concerning what you or I like.... forget it. You'll find that on the whole, real people prefer positives to negatives. The guy who writes Rebuild characters probably likes some of the characters but hates others, and writes accordingly.
What's bad for some people is fanservice to others.

Take Rei for instance. How would you say the character has changed, and to whom would you say these changes are beneficial?

It's really that simple.

>>102256452
Because you're an insecure maggot that thinks anyone is talking about whether or not you're allowed to do something.
You're so insecure in your own beliefs because at heart you know liking bitches or even siding with bitches is wrong, and here you are siding with/liking a bitch - Asuka.

Like what you want.
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>>102256452
But she's not a bitch though, that's what I don't get. She just considers herself a shitty person and feels like she has to show her superiority to everyone, including treating everyone like shit.
I mean you can say that everyone around her should think she's a stupid bitch, but you as the viewer should understand why that is, and although you might not like her for it (understandable) you can't simply say she's a bitch just for the sake of being.
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>>102256022
>>102255816
True non-existence, the loss of bonds and of course, the loss of others. Rei seems to value others more than herself.
Doesn't want others to die but she herself could die, because she's replaceable and all that.

The thing is that Rei doesn't have a self-esteem issue here, she's not fearful of not being able to succeed or that she is going to fail doing something. It's quite cold but Rei can - to a painful, horrible degree - be reincaranted, at cost to her psyche and at great pain no doubt.
Rei made her decision, to do so if necessary.

Think you could do the same?
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>>102256693
She is a bitch, and nothing you said changes that. Understanding why bitches are bitches doesn't change the fact that they are.

see >>102255635
you're THAT guy and you're despicable
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>>102256837
But I fucking understand her fucking flaws you mong. Doesn't mean I side with her either, just that I understand why she does what she does.
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>>102256912
Then don't say she's not a bitch, because she is, you "mong".

>b-but I understand my waifu
don't be that guy
don't
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>>102256585
I seriously just told you that I like Asuka and now you're insulting me for not liking what I want to like.
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>>102256912
>BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY HITLER DOES WHAT SHE DOES
>IT DOESN'T MAKE HIM A MEGALOMANIAC OR A MASS-MURDERER
>GUYS HE HAD A REASON
anon pls
they're both bitches even if you understand, understanding only enforces the belief in them being a bitch
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>>102252786
He isn't going to like EoE if he didn't like the episode before the last two, with Kaworu.

EoE is basically all the things that makes that episode stand out, but on steroids.
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>>102256993
Fuck off with that waifu shit, makes you sound retarded.
Also being a bitch means having the clear intention of putting people down.
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>>102257021
Well you seem like quite the conflicted person then.
You just have a very narrow view of what it means to like something. You can be shameful for liking something, for instance.

Murder, rape are all HORRIBLE things, but in fiction they're actually quite sought after. Murder a dozen people in a match of CoD, masturbate to a girl or boy getting raped by adults, and don't think much about it.
The same way, Asuka being a bitch is pornographic for people, especially Asukafags.
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>>102257111
>Also being a bitch means having the clear intention of putting people down.
I'd argue Asuka does have that intention, but I don't agree. Being a bitch is merely being unreasonably negative or damaging towards another person.
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>>102252660
The whole entire show was built on Anno's depression and how he felt he had come to a dead end with the nerd lifestyle. It did start off as a monster-of-the-week thing, but what you saw at the end was just Anno coming out of his depression.

It made a little bit of sense to me at the time living in Japan. My father and I were there for four years as he was working on various complicated construction jobs. By the time Evangelion came along I had a good grip on Japanese, and was able to write in hiragana along with understanding a okay amount of kanji.

My mother had killed herself a little while back, so I was in a depression myself while being a teenager. When I saw the end to the TV show originally I was a little confused and didn't understand every plot detail but it did actually lift me out of my depression. It was the best TV ending I've ever seen, but that's really for personal reasons. I can't look at it objectively due to what was going on in my mind at the time and how the ending affected me. I can understand if you didn't like it, though.
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>>102256993
You've got a completely black and white view of things.

>Asuka is a bitch and I hate anyone who likes her because they don't understand her. If they understood her they'd hate her like me. Anyone that claims to accept her flaws is a waifufag.

That's what I'm getting from you. You talk a lot but in the end your just shitposting because someone likes something you don't.
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>>102257111
Asuka does have the clear intention of putting people down. So she puts them down, and glorifies herself to feel better.
That's a bitch.

...whats that, you say she didn't mean to? She couldn't help herself you say?
Well, unfortunately that still makes her a bitch. Because she didn't have to do it, and had no other reason but to make herself feel better, she's a bitch.

See this: >>102255635
You ARE that guy and you're pathetic.
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>>102257245
Your post doesn't have a point or rebuttal to it.
Do I take it you're just butthurt and needed to come with a response?

Grow up and face it, she's a bitch.
That's why Shikinami exists. It's the Asuka you claim exists in NGE but doesn't. Enjoy.
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>>102257048
You faggot, you're actually retarded. Hitler had as much reason to kill people as we had to take him down. The only reason was he wanted to do it, and he did it.

>>102257185
Well I guess we have different perspectives, and that's alright.
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>>102257245
Problem here is that you're refusing to accept that Asuka is a bitch. You want to belive she isn't, but her character says otherweise.
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>>102257386
>The only reason was he wanted to do it, and he did it.
Precisely, Asuka is only a bitch because she wants to.
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>>102256585
I feel sorry for you.
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>>102257243
Damn that's tough nigga.
I also enjoyed the original ending, the way the surface level plot goes out the window and it ends by addressing what Anno considered the most important about the show. Watching EoE after that killed some of my speculation, but it delivered some closure to those who wanted it.
I don't consider the two endings better or worse than the other, I think they just complement each other.
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>>102257469
>mad asukafag
I pity you
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>>102257052
Except you are totally wrong.

I just finished epsiode one of EoE. All you fucking idiots saying that I should have known who and what Lilim is are retarded. They explain in EoE *not* the original ending. They mention Lililm in passing, that is it.

They took about 45 to explain what the fuck is going on towards the beginning on EoE, which I just saw.

Also, I never said I didn't like the ending, I said it made for bad TV (which is whatever, who cares really I don't even know why I bothered to bring that up because I don't even care about that....). I really liked the ending specifically as an artistic piece, though. A whole lot.
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>>102257265
I'm pathetic? It seems my world is a lie.
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>>102257386
...well the thing is that Hitler (god I hate mentioning that guy is inevitable) had some really dodgy and selfish, even immoral reasons to act as he did. But he did have reasons, like you said.

The same way, Asuka has reasons but they are also dodgy, selfish and at points quite immoral.

It makes, due to the extreme difference in what they did which doesn't really deserve a comparison beyond 4chan, Hitler a mass-murderer and Asuka "just" a bitch.

>>102257469
Now that's unfair anon. Shouldn't you be sorry for yourself?
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>>102257449
Well okay, but hating her for it and shitposting against everyone who understands her as a character is pretty fucking retarded, isn't it?
Why must there always be a character face-off? I like Rei as much as Asuka, it's the interaction between all of them that makes everyone so compelling.
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>>102257700
>Well okay, but hating her for it and shitposting against everyone who understands her as a character is pretty fucking retarded, isn't it?
No, cause that doesn't happen and it's basically you that thinks that happen because you're insecure.
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>>102257655
Alright fair point.
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>>102257700
You might not understand it, but you are actually the root of the entire problem. People like YOU.

If a bunch of people say they hate Asuka cause she's a bitch, that's OK. They don't like bitches.
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>>102257516
Yes, they're meant to compliment each other. The TV end is what is happening inside Shinji's mind as he struggles to decide whether or not to accept instrumentality. Many people mistake him breaking down his barriers in the end episode as him accepting instrumentality, wishing to become one with every living thing. What he actually wishes for there is to be with other people. Thus he is spat out onto the beach at the end in EoE. Funny enough, this means Shinji has the strongest will of any human because he was the first who decided to leave instrumentality and retain his individual self. At least that's how I understand it.
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>>102257811
Jesus.
Okay then.
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>>102253705
But Asuka is the doll, the anime practically rubs it in your face.
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>>102257863
Your point being...?
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>>102251936
>I wanted a fucking resolution
Go watch End of Evangelion. That's what the fans got for asking for one.
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>>102257872
Spot on m8.
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>>102258020
Fuck those plebs
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>>102253705
Guys what if I like Asuka and Rei equally?
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>>102257990
OK I see how I might not have made the point clear.

My point is that those people are discussing the character as-is, which is in this case, a bitch. It shouldn't surprise you that hating bitches is the norm, hence bitch being a negative word.
Then someone such as you come along, and gets upset that a bitch is being called a bitch and people don't' like bitches, so you get this pointless waifu-defense-squad arguing that she's not a bitch at all.

It always ends the same way, in "OK she's a bitch but I like her still", and that's where it should have begun and not ended. All that shitposting was because a fan couldn't accept the truth about the object of his fandom.

That's what I mean by you being the problem....
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>>102258169
Make up your mind, there can only be one.
If you choose:
Asuka - you're pathetic
Rei - you're pathetic in denial
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>>102258217
I get it now, thanks. You're saying that the problem is not whether the character is a bitch or not, but whether people like bitches or not.
I guess you're right, yeah. Cheers.
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>>102258315
I'm saying the problem is that people get surprised (or pretend to be) that people don't like bitches.

The character IS a bitch, without question, but that's hard for some (asukafags) to swallow.
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>>102258020
I don't see the problem with EoE. It was quite a spectacle. Both EoE and the TV ending were great.
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Are there any movies/docs/interviews about Anno?

I just finished EoE and fuck, that was incredible. The hospital scene really perfectly set the tone of how he was done deconstructing anime, and was ready to destroy his fans.
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>>102251936
You aren't ready yet.
>>102257243
>but it did actually lift me out of my depression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDajqW561KM
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>>102259815
>not posting the superior version
Take a look at the comments section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyFQVZ2h0V8
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>>102256279
>doesn't know what a season is
Yes, Eva had 2 seasons. It's 26 episodes/weeks long.
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>>102260662
Two cours, not two seasons.



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