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ITT we talk about the weaker parts of Kill la Kill.
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>>102251461
Everything
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>>102251461
The art is horribly inconsistent.
I know we're flying at a million miles an hour but sometimes it just drops off.
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Animation is the only problem I have with it, If it had TTGL level it would be amazing.
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>>102251461
Inumuta needs to get some moves that are actually suited for combat
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>>102251461
>fag gets his thread deleted
>starts a new one
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I know Nuifags are going to shit a brick, but Nui is currently just a boring character.

Her place in the plot feels really tacked-on to have a secondary villain, and so far the most interesting aspect of her character (the dynamic with Isshin) has not been sufficiently explored.
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We had to wait episode 18 so Ryuuko got a purpose as a main character instead of being endlessly tossed aside because Satsuki was getting shit done in her place.
I usually put myself in the shoes of the MC of the series I watch so I always have a kinda compassionate and affective relationship toward them and God was that suffering to see Ryuuko being almost useless throughout the episodes.
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I kinda wish the fights had more detail, instead of like a flying sword and arm. I love the animation on the explosions when blows are landed, I Kinda wish they had the money to put that much effort into animating the fight scenes.
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>>102251492
Yeah, you know, a TTGL level!
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>>102251565
They were setting it all up with those episodes where she isn't really important.
Also I felt the reassembly of Senketsu could have maybe been done a little better but my prediction of it only taking an episode and a half came true I just kinda wish that maybe it happened a little different than just going around and recovering them all. I don't know what I wanted there but I felt let down.
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It's fine, there's no much this show can provide.
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>>102251461
The low budget is there and you can see it.
Sure, Trigger opted for a animation/art style that makes the very visible limits of having little money almost look like intentional. But it's surely the weakest part of the show - animation quality is a 5/10 score on average, except few sequences where they blew money being important part of the plot (see ep3 or the latest one).

Plot-wise, i didn't like at all the happenings from end of tournament arc until Osaka destruction (where "first half" of the show ends).

Ending of tournament arc wasn't on par with the climax it built up, Ryuko berseking Nui appearing Satsuki on the field....and then everything dissolves with Mako slapping Ryuko to senses.
(also didn't like much Nui as character itself, and as it's been introduced)
The whole 3-city field trip arc, with the reassembling of Senketsu, wasn't good too. Sure, worked out to build up Ryuko character a bit more and setting up the stage for later happenings by having Satsuki finally be done with conquering all the country schools, but there was something off in the narration/pacing.
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Ryuuko is shit.
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>Ryuko is a boring and unlikeable/unrelateable character so when bad things happen to her I don't feel anything.
>Mako is more annoying than every Pixar/Dreamwork "cute" mascot character combined. It's like JarJar had a baby with some LOLSORANDUMB tumblr girl.
>There's never any real sense of danger or progression before the last episode.
>The story gets dumber and dumber
>They handle fanservice like Masters of Martial Heart
>Comedy is low tier
>tween like animation
I could go on.
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>>102251752
The episode where she turns into the monster had the most money dumped into it and the episode with Ryuko and Satsuki fight.
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I thought the latest episode was a bit heartless
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>>102251987
Yeah, I could see why you'd feel that way.

It seems like it's popularity has been taking a beating.
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Anything related to Ryuuko's motivations.

Seriously.
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>>102251880

>>Ryuko is a boring and unlikeable/unrelateable character so when bad things happen to her I don't feel anything.
>>Mako is more annoying than every Pixar/Dreamwork "cute" mascot character combined. It's like JarJar had a baby with some LOLSORANDUMB tumblr girl.


I agree on the first two.
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>>102251880
Please go on, I love see you talking shit about things you are too pleb to understand.
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>>102251880
i'm sick to death of mako
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>>102252045

But seeing Mako's family back together really tugged on my heartstrings
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>>102251461
Ryuuko and Mako as a whole. Mako because of lolsorandumb throughout the entirety of the show which wouldn't be a problem if it all stayed like episode 1,2,4, and a few others but it doesn't. Shit is serious now and she's going to ruin any heart destroying moments that await with her interruptions and wackiness. Ryuuko on the other hand has been just one "asspull" after another and explained by MUH SYNCHRONIZATION and nothing else. Inumata's general uselessness on the battlefield, the indecisive mood of the show, and the instant changes in personal powerlevels make close seconds though.
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>>102252081
I GOTTA FIND OUT WHO KILLED MY DAD
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>>102252094
Okay please, tell me how Ryuko being a boring generic character and Mako being the Japanese equivalent of neo-spongebob is deep and thought provoking. While you're at it, clue me in on how the entire message behind the show isn't stupid.
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>>102251880
>Mako is more annoying than every Pixar/Dreamwork "cute" mascot character combined. It's like JarJar had a baby with some LOLSORANDUMB tumblr girl.
Don't you ever, EVER bring up JarJar ever again.
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>>102252255
I don't have to, his kid is running around Japan now.
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>>102252188
>she's going to ruin any heart destroying moments that await with her interruptions and wackiness

That's exactly the point, you idiot. Go watch Bleach if you want grimdark fights and feels and shit.
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>>102252286
You and me both know no matter how unfunny Mako is, that it is a impossible both in the mind and the body to be anywhere close to beimg as bad as JarJar.
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>>102251492
How much can they change for the BDs?
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>>102252353
I think she's worse. At least JarJar got a laugh out of me.
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>>102252081

You mean in that she only just found one, sort of? She hasn't had much motivation, she's been curios as to who killed her dad, and is a delinquent. Really for the most part it just seems like she is a super powered delinquent.
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Not only is Mako unfunny and ruins a lot of scenes, but to add insult to injury Trigger has a clear favoritism for her and keeps shoving Mako down our throats.

But meh, what can you do. Besides that I do not have many issues with the show at the moment.
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>>102252403
>At least JarJar got a laugh out of me.
Opinion invalidated.
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>>102252384
Not much, some of the BDs are already out, but no one has uploaded them on nyaa yet. But fucking nyaruko had her BDs up on nyaa the day they came out
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>>102251492
It has its moments of goodness though.
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>>102252413
So how are you going to feel when Mako beats the last boss?
>>102252440
It wasn't a "Ha he's funny" laugh, it was a "Oh wow they really put this nigga in this movie holy shit" laugh. Despair laughs still count.
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>>102252407
>it just seems like she is a super powered delinquent.

But that's exactely what she is.
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>>102252461
Takafumi Hori is the only regular animator on KLK who's trying.
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>>10225244
If you seriously think that Mako isn't JarJar you need to go rematch episode one again. They're both incredibly unfunny, grating, and out of place in they're respective series equally.
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>>102252248
He can't. The show's still fun to watch sometimes.

>>102252526
Bless his heart.
as well as the dude who storyboarded/directed Ep 05.
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>>102252471
Mako IS the last boss. Boss life-fiber possesses her body and Ryuuko is forced to kill her along with the boss life-fiber. After Mako is dead, Ryuuko realizes the last life-fiber exists in herself and stabs herself in the belly, and dies because the death of the boss life-fiber weakened all the other life-fibers making hers vulnerable.
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I wouldn't say Mako ruins everything for me but I do think she's decidedly unfunny and a mood breaker. And just because it's intentional doesn't mean it's good - it's really fuckin' annoying to me.

Never cared much for Ryuko or the asspulls surrounding her.

And depending on your taste the show being really predictable is either a good or a bad thing. I've seen people get really buttblasted about the sister thing being true and groaning about every cliche ever, but I personally have been enjoying that part.
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The weaker parts are anything that doesn't make me hype as fuck going all AW YEAH AW YEAH WHAT THE SHIT

excluding some of the really good Make asides
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>>102252650
>any non-background character dying
As far as MCs are concerned 4Kids Yu-gi-oh is more hardcore. At least they lost their souls at one point. If that does happen, FRIENDSHIP will save the day. Ryuko will probably just stand there and take a beating until Mako starts crying and snaps out of it. Even then, she's effecting the plot too much.
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>>102252650

Doubt it. Seems way too dramatic.

>>102252695

I don't really mind her when she's not getting in the middle of the actual action, like she did in Osaka.
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>>102252188
>Inumata's general uselessness on the battlefield

This. I thought he was pretty cool at first when he stopped the 7-star guy in one hit, but ever since he has never done anything else really noteworthy. He feels tacked on to the elite 4 without very good purpose, and all his "data" hasn't really done much to help.
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>>102252334
There's a better way to do it than HALLELUJAH speeches or RYUUKO-CHAN RYUUKO-CHAN RYUUKO-CHAN. I'm all for comedy relief but Mako is one of the worst "reliefs" of any show in any medium. So many other characters in the show have done, are doing, or could have done an immensely better job at teaching Ryuuko the value of family and friendship along with saving her ass in a manner that isn't Trigger adding yet another fucking scene with no actual writing skill required and no explanation for its acceptance other than " lol just Mako being Mako deal with it faggots." The first few times it was fine, the story was still setting itself and people were relatively weak so whatever but that shit in 12 was fucking terrible and who's idea was it to just let a Mako scene in during a Satsuki heavy, blood fucking everywhere I just crucified my mo-"IM HOOOOOOOME!"

I mean fucking seriously?
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>>102252915

I dig his smug act, but his new uniform is pure shit.
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>>102251461
Ryuuko shows up! DONT LOSE YOUR WAAAAAY!

Ragyo shows up! DEISE WURLT SOMETHING IN GERMAN!

Any of the elite four pop up! ENTER THEME SONG HERE!

Okay Trigger I like uzu's theme just as much as the next guy but god damn mix it up a little.
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>>102253387
I find that annoying too but it's the style magical girl anime use, they all do that shit they just don't make it as obvious as trigger.
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I see a lot of people saying this anime is a Shonen but it really acts more like a mecha or a magical girl series.
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>>102253062

I'm fucking ready and waiting for Mako mind break doujinshi.
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Senketsu says something like "breakneck pacing is a signature of Kill la Kill!" at the beginning of episode 16, which just goes to show how fucking deluded the creators are. Pacing was great for 4 episodes and then dwindled like a motherfucker.
There is absolutely nothing good about KLK, and yet I still watch it, because I'm a dumbass.
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>>102253387

Agreed. But I don't mind when it's Uzu's theme because that shit is tight.
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>>102253666
Thank you based Satan for reminding me of this.
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>>102253617
It operates like classic shounen, anon.
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>>102253709

>There is absolutely nothing good about KLK, and yet I still watch it, because I enjoy it to a certain extent, which makes me conflicted, since, you see, I should only be able to derive enjoyment from things that are objectively good.

Every nigga is a goddamn critic nowadays.
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Kill la Kill should have been 12 episodes.
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>>102254959
Nah.
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>>102254605
It's more to do with my inability to drop series that I've watched more than 1 episode of. It's less to do with enjoyment and more to do with wanting to see how it turns out in the end.
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>>102255086
The plot has been stretched so thin it's only holding together by a single thread.
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>>102255205
Not really.
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>>102255205
Anon pls.
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>>102251461
>the weaker parts of Kill la Kill
The fact that it doesn't have a fighting game currently in production with grorious cel shaded models.
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>>102255763
Eh, I'd play it.
Why don't you make it for us anon ?
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>>102255763

10/10 would main Shirou.
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I'll tell you right now what the shittiest thing about this fucking series is, the lack of doujins with great ass, I swear to fucking god the series is more fappable than some of these doujins.
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-Horrible Pacing. We've had 15 episodes of utter filler and 90% of the story has been dumped on us in the span of about 3 episodes.
-Ryuuko is literally asspull incarnate. They only can justify it with OMG IM SYCHRONIZING!! but it gets old. I don't mind this too much because this is the type of show where crazy powerlevels and powerups happen, not to mention Ryuuko did spend the majority of the show getting her ass handed to her and gradually improving, so it makes some sense for her to be better now.
-Nui. What is her motivation? What does she plan on doing?
-Mako was nice in the first half of the show, now she is unnecessary and annoying as fuck. I like that one line Ryuuko says "Go away Mako, I'll give you snacks!" (or something like that).
That pretty much describes Mako at this point. No one wants her around and no one cares.

But to some of the people who constantly compare it to TTGL: Stop. KLK may have the same writers, but it's a fucking different show. Treat it like one.
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>>102256159
>We've had 15 episodes of utter filler
stopped reading there
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>>102256159
>-Horrible Pacing. We've had 15 episodes of utter filler and 90% of the story has been dumped on us in the span of about 3 episodes.
Not really
>-Ryuuko is literally asspull incarnate. They only can justify it with OMG IM SYCHRONIZING!! but it gets old. I don't mind this too much because this is the type of show where crazy powerlevels and powerups happen, not to mention Ryuuko did spend the majority of the show getting her ass handed to her and gradually improving, so it makes some sense for her to be better now.
So you're just complaining to complain at this point since you offset everything you started off with by the time you finished that.
>-Nui. What is her motivation? What does she plan on doing?
Welcome to something that might be keeping you watching you giant winged faggot.
>-Mako was nice in the first half of the show, now she is unnecessary and annoying as fuck. I like that one line Ryuuko says "Go away Mako, I'll give you snacks!" (or something like that).
She's supposed to be annoying as fuck she has been annoying as fuck the whole series.
>But to some of the people who constantly compare it to TTGL: Stop. KLK may have the same writers, but it's a fucking different show. Treat it like one.
I don't know if you're qualified to make that judgement.
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>>102256159
holy fuck how many faggots are out there who don´t know what filler actually means???
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>>102256159
I really only agree with your point on Nui. She's not a villain I love to hate, I just hate her. I know we're going to get explanations on who and/or what she is and what she's doing at some point but I for one am looking forward to when she gets beat up. She's obnoxious.
>>102256361
I'd disagree that Mako's supposed to be annoying, because obviously we're supposed to care about her in a number of episodes. I don't find her annoying, personally, but I can totally see how people would.
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>>102251461
The plot been laughably predictable thus far, though somehow I'm not too bothered by this.
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>>102256159

>utter filler
You don't know what the fuck filler means.

>asspull incarnate
She grows in power when she grows emotionally. This is not hard. It's the same as Gurren Lagann, so I don't know what you're expecting. Would you prefer a training montage? Would that seem like less of an "asspull" to you?

-Nui
Will be revealed by the series end.

>Mako
Is what keeps the show from being serious.
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>>102256605
I haven't been bothered by it either cause I've been surprised a few times but predicted a lot myself.
>I'd disagree that Mako's supposed to be annoying, because obviously we're supposed to care about her in a number of episodes. I don't find her annoying, personally, but I can totally see how people would.
I agree with you about us supposed to care and I do actually but like you said it's easy to sympathize with people who hate her. Personally I believe this anon is just hating to hate so I didn't really put effort into arguing his perception of the characters.
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Trigger should stick to making ironically bad shows because they sure as fuck can't make a good one.
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>>102256820

The thread is about flaws,not your opinions.
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>>102256939
Flaws (in your opinion).
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the show's plot moves at a snails pace, hardly anything of importance happened in the first half of the show. I don't care for, or dislike, most of the characters in the show and the animation sucks most of the time.

I still think the first episode was the best one.
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>>102256605
The plot has been predictable but its Imaishi we're talking about here, there is no way there won't be some kind of twist in the end
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>>102257017
Opinions (in your flaws).
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>>102257018
>the show's plot moves at a snails pace
You need to watch more anime if you really believe that anon.
> and the animation sucks most of the time.
They have no budget dick cheese.
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>>102251461
Awful pacing. I feel like the vast majority of the show has been a massive waste of time. It was getting to be exceedingly obvious that the Honnouji stuff was not going to be the focus of the show, so it should not have held the spotlight for so long. There's an actual plot here and most of the episodes don't do anything with it all besides trying to drop cryptic hints. It's been 17 episodes and I can only clearly remember what happens in about half of them, because most of them are irrelevant. All of those should've been cut. This show should've been 13 episodes. Cut the bulllshit, find a way to tell your story without relying on interspersed flashbacks, and get to the point.
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The only people who complain about pacing are the ones who put more emphasis on the story than they should. I bet those idiots are the same ones who disregard a romcom if "best girl" doesn't "win". You're watching for the wrong reasons, stupid.

Anyway I honestly don't have anything major that bugs me about the show other than the face the Elite 4 are underused. They've only really had a couple of moments each to shine. I guess that's to be expected in a show as fast paced as this.

Other than that I take it for what it is.
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>>102251461
>implying it has stronger parts
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>>102256820
LWA is good.
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>>102257104
They could still wrap this up nicely though anon.
You might still be surprised by the end, we still have 7 episodes and we've actually covered a ton of shit already. The things that you think are irrelevant aren't actually.
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>>102257147
>The only people who complain about pacing are the ones who put more emphasis on the story than they should. I bet those idiots are the same ones who disregard a romcom if "best girl" doesn't "win".
What? Anon the point you are trying to make is contradictory.
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Trigger can't write for shit
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Kill la Kill is one of the few shows that are actually killed because of their shitty animation. The budget is just not large enough to support something on the scale of this. If it had fairly great animation throughout like previous Imaishi works, it would be good. It would be different if it was a drama with little action, but it's a hyperkinetic action show.
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>>102252081
>>102252194
I don't like how initially it came off as a genuine thirst for vengeance, and then they emphasized how it was "just about getting to know him better" with Mako beating the shit out of berserk Ryuuko. It just... sort of makes me feel like she "shouldn't be angry" about the entire thing, and not, "don't let the killer rile you up".

Then again maybe I'm just sour this hasn't been a straightforward revenge story in some part of my subconscious mind. After all, she did call Nui a bitch again.
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>>102255928
>Why don't you make it for us anon
But I am.

I'm experimenting with cel shading
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>>102257289
In what way? I'm not saying you shouldn't care about the outcome, but sometimes you have to take a show for what it is and not focus so much on how the plot proceeds.

Pacing is not a major issue in KLK. It's fast paced. You're either going to take it or leave it, it's a part of the show's appeal. If you take issue with it you're most likely putting more thought into that aspect of the show than you should.
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>>102257147
Or they aren't blind faggot fanboys who accept any shit thrown on their plate like you.

There are very well established patterns of good storytelling that have been refined for as long as humans have been around, and pacing is a vital part of that. If your story has extraneous parts, they should be cut because they aren't serving any purpose. This applies to everything, doesn't matter what. Even "plotless" slice of life comedies are razor focused on the strengths of the show: its own characters and their interactions or situations.

So far, Kill la Kill has been really bad in this regard: there are episodes you can cut no problem and not affect the story or how we see the characters. They aren't enjoyable because I can see that it's just a waste of time and nothing important happened, which is something a lot of people have picked up on.

Personally, I blame the dumb idea that this show needed to be in halves, where Satsuki and Honnouji were set up as the antagonists for the longest time when it was obvious that it wouldn't stick, and because of that, Ryuuko makes almost no progress on her motivations at all during most of the show.
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>>102257392
that most likely goes for you only
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>>102257583
>Pacing is not a major issue in KLK. It's fast paced.

Well there's your fucking problem, you don't know what pacing means.

People are complaining about the pacing because it's almost as slow as you are and it's been stuck in a roundabout for a dozen episodes.
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>>102257592
This is such terrible reasoning. Every episode has been enjoyable for one reason or another.

The story hasn't even been that amazing up until recently. You're too fucking into the plot if you can't find enjoyment in the not so plot-heavy episodes.
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Kill la Kill? More like Fill la Fill.
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>>102251461
Then we will have a lot to talk about, wont we OP?
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>>102257731
Great shit post fuck face, you really added a lot.
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I have to admit, I kind of don't care about Mako and Ryuko's friendship. It's cute and everything, don't get me wrong, but they don't have the same kind of chemistry that the E4 do, for instance. They don't have that pull that makes me think "holy shit, I hope we get more and Mako and Ryuko being best friends", whereas I go into every single new episode hoping and praying for more interaction among the E4.
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>>102257760
your anus is collapsing trigger fanboy
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>>102257789
Lest see how bad you are, here's another response to feed your ego.
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>>102257685
If you're watching this solely for the plot then I feel bad for you. There's a lot more here thats enjoyable and the story is easily one of the weaker areas.

Like I said in the post you quoted, you probably watch romcoms just to see who "wins".
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>>102257770
In the first half there was a lot of Mako/Ryuuko interactions going on, and it was clear that Mako meant a lot to Ryuuko. Now Mako is just there to HALLELUJAH or be an idiot.
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>>102257634
Nah, I agree, although I don't think it's budgetary problems.

The show has really boring action scenes that look awful. Some intersection of bad direction and low budget giving an over-reliance on repeated stock footage kills some of the energy of the show. I mean, Yuushibu had better action that this show, and you cannot with a straight face tell me that Yuushibu had more budget.
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>>102257147
What, should I be watching for the characters if not the story? Because the lot of them are flat as fuck.
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>>102257747

Not really.
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>>102257870
The direction is pretty great but there will probably be people who disagree with that too.

I'm just enjoying the ride. I speculate on the story for fun but I could hardly give a shit.
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>>102257569
Is that a 3D model?
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>>102257850
the action is great when it counts, episode 3, 11, 12, episode 16 - 18, there are more than enough scenes where the animation is good
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>>102251461
5 year old girls plans her mother's death for 12 years because her daddy told her to.
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Thus far Ryuuko is the weakest part

She just keeps getting stronger under a trite and seriously poorly executed "chosen one" level excuse and the show has done shit all with her character thus far to make the viewer care for her goal. I GOTTA FIND OUT WHO KILLED MY DAD would be admirable maybe and all if they bothered to spend more time on her past but its only vague mentions while opting to focus on the now and spoils her character.
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i usually hate saying this , but
>fanbase
they're the kind that needs a containing board
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The show would have been better if it was just about Ryuuko and Satsuki all the way till the end without this covers shit.
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>>102258110
That is not anime related jackass.
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>>102258043
Ryuuko has been genetically enhanced as a baby and was given two (well, one and a half) literal superweapons, so it's only natural that she was beating the shit out of everyone up to this point.

Since the big reveals about evil aliens taking over the world, and how much more her sister struggles with what comes "naturally" to her, it just shows how she was right all along about Ryuuko wasting away her gifts on short sighted shit while she's trying to save the world.

That whole twist was pretty well made in this regard.
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>>102258043
See >>102256159
And >>102256361
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>>102257846
Well, I don't know. I agree that Mako has taken a backseat to what's going on right now because Satsuki's been getting the development she needs and that's a good thing, but even during the beginning half of the show, I wasn't ever enthralled with Mako and Ryuko's relationship. There was never that spark, it was more like just this lukewarm acceptance of them being cute little friends in a crazy world.

I guess if there's one really effective way to illustrate how I feel about Mako and Ryuko's friendship, it'd be this.
>The second ED will be about Mako's feelings for Ryuko!
>Oh, neat. I'll miss the first ED, it was an earworm.
>E4 shown in the preview standing together, not even necessarily talking or looking at each other but just existing within one another's vicinity
>YES FUCKING YES FUCK
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>>102257090
>You need to watch more anime if you really believe that anon.
I think that anon was probably talking about the slow plot progression. From the start of the tournament arc to about episode 15 or 16, most of the events happening were little consequence. The stuff that influenced the plot in those episodes really could have fit into about 4-5 episodes.
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>>102258334
I disagree about the events in those episodes being of little consequence, every story needs the hero to fall and pick themselves back up and that's exactly what those episodes showed.
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>>102257723
>>102257829
Basically, I don't have shit taste and therefore I don't enjoy shit storytelling.

You faggots are the kind of plebeians who try to defer everything by saying "oh, I'm just enjoying the ride, it's fun, I'm just taking the show as it is." What this means is that you're a shit viewer who turns his brain off as soon as he start watching something. It could've been Imaishi dangling his keys in front of you and you would be entertained.

I don't even know why you're trying to participate in these discussions. You contribute absolutely nothing. Your perspective (what little there is) is too narrow to offer anything, and it is too limited to change. If you enjoy the show, good for you, nothing you read here will change your mind. What you're not going to do is convince anyone with standards that they're watching it wrong and should try to be more braindead to enjoy it. It's pointless. Much like most of the episodes in the first half of Kill la Kill.

I'll tell you what you're watching for, because it's not the story, it's not the comedy, and it's only tangentially related to the characters: you're watching for the sense of wild reckless fun that the studio is (trying) to infuse into the work. The artstyle is loose and sketchy, the animation makes heavy use of cartoonish squash and skew, and everything is charged with a ridiculous over-the-top energy that constitutes "fun". Guess what, I'm watching for that too, but the novelty wore off. Now I want substance.
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>>102251461
>weaker parts of Kill la Kill.
nothing, it already has a 10/10 in my book.
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>>102258426
This. It's not like there's been a beach episode or some other dumb shit we usually see in anime. I'm not sure what people want when even the episodes with the least amount of progression are enjoyable. SOMETHING is revealed and if you don't see that then that's on you.
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>>102251461
>No plot in the first half (sort of)
>Animation quality problems (I can forgive them for that as they are a low budget new studio)
>Some annoying characters (ex: mainly its Mako aka Jar Jar Binks and her family that are the weakest characters, they can get too cheesy and stupid with their humour and Mako is sort of too cliché at the moment for me to care about enough)

Other then that its still a great first series from a new studio and I like where TRIGGER is going with things.
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>>102258484
Why are you so mad though?
Do you honestly think this whole thread is made up of people who hate the series or blindly love it with no in between?
> I'm watching for that too, but the novelty wore off. Now I want substance.
I get the feeling these last episodes are where you're going to get it.
Also not either of the anons you responded to.
Anyone who thinks the saving anime thing was more than just fun things are fun like 7 HAND DRAWN YEARS HAND DRAWN, nothing more than that. Don't get all fucking worked up over shit all the time, fuck.
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>>102258557
>Mako aka Jar Jar Binks
Whoa now, I don't think that equivalent of a Hitler comparison is very fair.
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>>102258557
>Mako and here family

I'm going to have to agree. Maybe some of the humor gets lost in translation but a lot of that shit is so corny. It's like the writers can't think of better ways to keep the family in the mix so they just force them into the fray in unnatural ways.
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The pacing complaints are odd to me. No, not every episode is carried out with measured doses of plot elements, but what we've had no shortage of is world-building. And honestly, I rather like that. I like that they not only took the time to conceptualize the world that surrounds the cast, but that they took the time to show it to us: the school and its customs, the slums, the high life, everything.

A lot of times it seems like modern shows are stuck between either picking 70% setting and 30% plot or 30% setting and 70% plot, so it's nice that KlK is doing what it can to split that down the middle-- the first half of the show was leisurely and setting-based, the second is where the story takes its hold. It's a good, workable balance.
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>>102251880

I, too, agree on the first two points.
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I'm enjoying KLK greatly but I do agree Ryuuko is a pretty poor protagonist.

She rarely gets any wins and when she does they're meaningless in the long run.

And of course the budget.
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>>102257829
What else is there? Many of the characters are underdeveloped or undeveloped. The comedy as of late only comes from Mako and her family, which is unfortunate because it's not great to begin with. And since the writers clearly favor Mako, it means she's going to get shoved into scenes that are inappropriate for her brand of comic relief. If you thought her "I'M HOME!" interruption in the last episode was good and didn't destroy the tone, you need help.
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>>102258725
I feel like they'd be a lot funnier if they were kept to the background and more seen than heard in their weirdness. The only times I'm ever bored or annoyed with the show is when they're front and center.
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>>102258869
>She rarely gets any wins and when she does they're meaningless in the long run.
That's the way her character is supposed to be, she's the underdog the whole way till the end when she'll rise to meet all challengers.
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>>102258766
The one thing this series is getting right for me is the pacing so so I agree with you.
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The entire anime is pretty lackluster.
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>>102258891
When the plot is moving, yes care about that above all. I mean the not so plot heavy episodes everyone seems to be complaining about. Are you that disinterested in the world building?
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>>102258869
>She rarely gets any wins

What does this have to do with being a good protag?

No, fuck, let me just ask this in general: why are so many fucking people on /a/ obsessed with whether or not a character wins? It doesn't matter. Repeat after me: it does not fucking matter how many wins a character manages to accumulate. That is not the point, that is never the point, the point is for the character to grow as the show goes on. Winning should be the last thing on your mind out of anything, ever.
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>>102259026

I don't want to see your face until you get Sill back, you faget.
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>>102258426
There could have been tension in what you just said about the character's fall. But there was none. In both instances where it seems like Ryuko is going to lose Senketsu, she gets it back in the next episode (two episodes later at max). It makes for a predictable, unengaging ride. We didn't need to see Ryuko beat up fodder every episode to get that she's the chosen one and has natural talent.
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>>102258484
All I'm saying is the stuff you're moaning about isn't even detrimental to the quality of the show. If you think that it is then yeah, you're watching for the wrong reasons. It has nothing to do with taste level.
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>>102251461
Weak characterization. Very little of character's inner struggle is explored, and when it is, it just feels like a license to get to the action. There is no emotional or touching core to the show like TTGL.

The art is quality, but that isn't much of a complaint. You can't get around having no money.

Irrelevant middle section in the same vain of episodes like 3-6 of TTGL. For whatever reason, the director can't seem to properly manage his time and just fills the episode quota with nothing important or all that interesting. Gama's car comes to mind.The entire tournament arc borders on irrelevant because it was of no use to give the Elite 4 a power up when we didn't have any connection as to what they could do before hand. They could just be at the level they are now without and nothing narrative wise is lost besides Monkey's characterization (in my opinion, the strongest point of the show, but it could have been done in some other way).

The dropped cliff hangers. Dear god, every fucking cliff hanger becomes irrelevant in the first five minutes of the next episode. They have stopped doing this recently, but it was really noticeable for a time.

Nudist Beach is stupid. It wasted time, was brought up and destroyed in one episode, and had a total of like 5 minutes of screen time. Takarda could have just made the crab armor himself while Sensei and Mohawk could have just been a duo working together to bring down Sastuski. This would have been better in hindsight too, because it makes their relationship a deeper one rather than being based on "organizational ties".

Satsuki's motivation for the rebellion are hamstrung by the fact that we didn't see what Ragyo did to her father. Her trashing of the baby was a bit too comical for the theme too, but I can let that slide. But if we are going to believe that Satsuki is going to make it her life long goal to resist her mother's brainwashing and rebel against her, we need to really feel it.
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>>102251461
>The weaker parts
Definitely the manga adaptation. It lacks the spirit that the anime has.
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>>102259261

This is how you do criticism. Thanks for your insight, anon.
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>>102258869
I genuinely think she's more of the villain than anything. Her position makes much more sense if you look at it this way.

>Be Satsuki
>Trying to save the world
>Constantly have your school attacked by some psycho out for revenge
>You always manage to keep her at bay regardless of her efforts

How is she NOT the villain? I don't get why this is such an unpopular view. I'm pretty sure The Joker could look like the good guy if we followed the comic from her perspective and the story adhered to his logic. Think about it.
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>>102259231
You seeing that coming just shows you're an anime fan anon.
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>>102259470

villain != antagonist

Also, why the fuck didn't Satsuki just tell her the truth from the beginning. The only reason Ryuko was hunting her is because she thought she killed her dad. If Satsuki said she didn't kill her father that'd be the end of it.
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>>102259261
>The entire tournament arc borders on irrelevant
Wait, what? It introduced the starching bullet, Senketsu's form changes, and led up to Ryuko getting consumed by Senketsu, which in turn answers to one of the big conflicts of the show-- wearing clothes vs. being worn by clothes.

>Nudist Beach is stupid. It wasted time, was brought up and destroyed in one episode, and had a total of like 5 minutes of screen time.
We have no idea if Nudist Beach's time is done and over yet because the show isn't done and over and NB is still around. Their base got trashed, but we have no idea if their actual role in the show is over yet. You need to slow down, you're acting like KlK is in the past.
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>>102259595
What if Ryuko did not believe her?
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>>102259470

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I would view him different and understand the hardships he's been through if he was the protag in the Killing Joke. Shit, Barbara was basically asking for it!
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>>102252461
Wow! Every 12 fucking episodes or so. Other than that, they don't even bother. Repeat scenes over and over again
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>>102259261
>The dropped cliff hangers. Dear god, every fucking cliff hanger becomes irrelevant in the first five minutes of the next episode. They have stopped doing this recently, but it was really noticeable for a time
This could be attributed to the shows fast pace but I agree with you but for me it's something I an look past.
>Nudist Beach is stupid. It wasted time, was brought up and destroyed in one episode, and had a total of like 5 minutes of screen time. Takarda could have just made the crab armor himself while Sensei and Mohawk could have just been a duo working together to bring down Sastuski. This would have been better in hindsight too, because it makes their relationship a deeper one rather than being based on "organizational ties".
I agree but they could still have a huge roll to play.
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>>102259595
Because in her point of view Ryuuko was just some spoiled brat who got a powerful weapon and a kamui and had no real strength of hers, was only "carried" by these and had a petty, short sighted goal while she was personally too busy trying to come up with a way to stop her family from wiping out mankind.
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I can't really say all of the problems i have with before some reflection time but one thing bothered me a lot through the whole show so far.

Poor worldbuilding. I mean, they really don't set well what is happening with the world so all of the things that happen during the story feel void of any real meaning. When is the show supposed to be happening? Modern era? Post apocalyptic future? Very close future?

This fucked up my experience during the whole Honnouji arc because, if having a no-star son/daughter makes your life so shit as they portray, why they don't just leave? Japan is in much better conditions, just leave that shitty school. But afterwards Takarada explains my doubt (only on episode 14 i think?) by saying Japan is on the shit now. How was i suppose to know this in the 13 episodes previously?

Now it is much easier and simple to sympathize with the conflict in the show since now it's a world wide threat of ALIENS but before i couldn't care about what was happening because the setting didn't make sense.
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>>102259595
Ego probably. Some random steps to you and demanding answers, who the hell are you and why should I give a damn?

Also she used Ryuuko to strengthen her inner circle/collect data.
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>>102259261
To be a bit more indepth:

Ryuuko has very little reason to be as involved as she is. Sure, her father was killed, but she hardly ever spoke to the guy and didn't seem to care about him much before the story started. And before you go "well lets see your father get killed and you not do anything about it," keep in mind that Ryuuko needs to say something like that out loud. Or the can show it through clever directing, but that sure as hell isn't going to happen. That happened some in TTGL. It hasn't happened at all here. I know he can do it, but the story feels like 100% action orientated, and they don't seem to want to branch out.

So we don't empathize with Ryuuko much because "some killed my father" is actually an abstract concept that I doubt many people have actually experience. That need to ground that abstract concept by making her struggle with it--in private, without a fight sequence. We need some personal time with the characters so we can learn about them and their mind set. We are 18 episodes in and I still don't know if I like Ryuuko much outside of her design. That isn't good.

The one time they did do something very, very well was the scene were Senketsu protects Ryuuko from Tsumugu. Now that was a good scene, probably the best self-contained scene, because we actually worried for and cared about Ryuuko. She was weak and vulnerable and we finally felt like we were meeting the real Ryuuko. But it never really carried over to the rest of the show.

Mako's a good character. Not great, but definitely not bad.

Senketsu is odd. He started off as being a psychopathic molester and has become something of a mentor to Ryuuko. Im not sure how they made that change, but I guess that did it well enough that I didn't catch it.

The elite 4... I don't really care about them. They could all die and I wouldn't care much, except for maybe Gama. I liked Monkey before but he hasn't done anything for months.
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>>102259489
Okay. How about this then. Whenever some development happens with Ryuko when she loses Senketsu, it's not interesting. It's very by the book character development. And it's all discarded anyway because after awhile Ryuko forgets about it and reverts back to motivations of "Muh revenge" and "Muh unfinished fight against Satsuki".
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>>102259749 (continuing)
In her mind, there was really no difference between Ryuuko and that fat kid who stole a suit at the start of episode 1. Or Mako's family when they got power hungry. They did not deserve those. Pigs in human clothing.
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>>102259707
She benefitted from it.
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>>102259261
>The dropped cliff hangers. Dear god, every fucking cliff hanger becomes irrelevant in the first five minutes of the next episode. They have stopped doing this recently, but it was really noticeable for a time.
This shit. Right here.

>Nudist Beach is stupid. It wasted time, was brought up and destroyed in one episode, and had a total of like 5 minutes of screen time. Takarda could have just made the crab armor himself while Sensei and Mohawk could have just been a duo working together to bring down Sastuski. This would have been better in hindsight too, because it makes their relationship a deeper one rather than being based on "organizational ties".

I agree, then they got called half-baked. It was sort of depressing.
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>>102259820
The reason she calls them pigs in human clothing isn't because they don't deserve the cool awesome clothes, it's because they serve clothing instead of letting clothing serve them. Humans aren't meant to be worn by clothes, clothes are meant to be worn by humans, thus, if you let your clothes wear you, you might as well be swine.
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This show would have definitely worked better as a 12 episode series instead of 24.
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>>102259802
None of that is her current motivation.
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The pace is a bit too fast, comes off as rushed at parts
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>>102259767
Aren't they poor? Upping and leaving isn't an option when you're stuck in the slums and have no money. Also, you have to pass tests to get into high schools in Japan, so if you have a less than average kid and the only school they could realistically get into is nowhere near you, you're fucked.

Oh, and it's been drilled into our heads since the show began that Honnouji conquered basically everybody but the Kanto region. Unless you have the money and smarts to head that way, you're trading your pot for a kettle.
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>>102259949
I would wait till the end to make that call.
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The starter outfits for both Ryuuko and Satsuki are way better than Senketsu/ Junketsu. I was really pissed Satsuki gave up her pants for that shitty generic skirt/ thigh high combo.
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Ryuko's dad wasn't revealed to be pic related.
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>>102259261
>Weak characterization

I have to agree with this.Especially when it comes to characters like Ryuko,Mako(to an extent) and is even more with characters like Inu.
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>>102259801
Apparently they were constantly at odds with one another. I didn't take that as them barely speaking, just butting heads and not understanding one another better. Ryuuko might have harbored a desire to one day understand and get closer to him, she probably really loved him like a dad despite their differences, parents who butt heads with their children aren't always irrelevant factors that can 'fuck off' to those children. With that being said, I'm only defending her initial motivation for revenge, I agree that she doesn't have a reason to be as involved as she is.

Also Senketsu's psychotic molestation piece is apparently a trait all Kamui are supposed to have after waking up. Apparently they just "calm down" afterwards. At least a little, I guess.
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>>102259961
There's still traces of it, and it makes no sense. She should have thrown her desire to fight Satsuki out of the window the moment she saw Nui confess to it and possess the other scissor blade. From that point on she should have been focusing only on Nui. Yet, she is still antagonistic to Satsuki, and in episode 18 was even almost ready to pounce on her just because. And anyway, I was referring to the developments that happened in the middle chunk of the show with Ryuko. The developments were soon forgotten afterward because the show clearly places action and fast pacing over characterization.
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>>102260184
And Satsuki's dad wasn't revealed to be pic related.
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>>102251461
You mean like the writing?
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>>102259652
>Wait, what? It introduced the starching bullet, Senketsu's form changes, and led up to Ryuko getting consumed by Senketsu, which in turn answers to one of the big conflicts of the show-- wearing clothes vs. being worn by clothes.

It didn't need all the episodes it did. Yes, it accomplished some things narrative-wise, and that's good, but it just... so much time was spent on Ryuuko fighting everyone when we didn't really need to see it or care much about it. Nui's introduction was good, and while I didn't much like how they solved the problem, Ryuuko's berserking was also good.

As a plot point, Nui could potentially arrive at any time in the story, for her appearance is not intertwined with the plot of the academy. They could have had the good parts (Nui and Berserker Ryuuko) without all the stuff before it.

>We have no idea if Nudist Beach's time is done
A good point, but the director thoroughly hammered into our heads how irrelevant they are by having them appear and die off in a single episode, with very little screen time. Could they come back? Yeah. Should they? That's a lot harder to answer. I know I wouldn't accept a "Nudist Beach saves the day" after how incompetent they acted before.

>>102259715
It is impossible to say what is and is not going to be brought up again, but when I say irrelevant, I mean they have no use to the narrative and any future use could also probably be replaced with something better or less time consuming. I can't call it filler because *some* things still happen, but it feels like filler. That's not good.

>>102259261
>But if we are going to believe that Satsuki is going to make it her life long goal to resist her mother's brainwashing and rebel against her, we need to really feel it.

I'm going to add to this because I know a lot of people will disagree and I didn't give much explanation. This should also serve as an example to highlight my other gripes and how I go about identifying them. Shit I don't have space.
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Ryuuko's character development is so rushed and inconsistent that I liked her character much better at the beginning of the series than I do now. Her hot-bloodedness was her flaw that made her likable, but now that much of that is gone she's starting to border on Mary Sue territory.

also Mako a shit, when she's with her family its fine but alone she's just annoying and can almost ruin some episodes.
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>>102251461
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>>102260046
>Aren't they poor?
They are, but the problem is that they are eating garbage and living on fucking favelas on Honnouji, that's not just being poor, it being miserable, you can still live better and be poor anywhere on modern Japan that it is being poor on Honnouji.

>Also, you have to pass tests to get into high schools in Japan, so if you have a less than average kid and the only school they could realistically get into is nowhere near you, you're fucked.
Still, not matter how dumb your kid is, being on a school with death sentences is crazy, you are better anywhere but there, even if i am not sure, i can take a safe guess that Japan has not awful public schools, at least not as terrible as Honnouji.

>Oh, and it's been drilled into our heads since the show began that Honnouji conquered basically everybody but the Kanto region.
Yet it is never shown that those schools are extreme as Honnouji, if anything, the flashbacks makes you think everywhere is normal BUT Honnouji.

They shoud have just show that Japan was fucked for whatever reason and explained that if you didn't live on Osaka or Honnouji, you were completely fucked.
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>>102260548
> that's not just being poor, it being miserable, you can still live better and be poor anywhere on modern Japan that it is being poor on Honnouji.

You need to have money in order to get to "anywhere on modern Japan". You can't just up and leave for free, you have to have money to relocate. If you have none, congrats, you're stuck.
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They really need to get their symbolism in check.

hopefully Satsuki still has plans for world conquest, otherwise all the symbolism of her standing on top of shit and "Control is liberty!" would make no fucking sense
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>>102255763
We don't have enough animu kusoges out
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>>102260616
>"Control is liberty!" would make no fucking sense
But it makes PERFECT sense now. She needs control to build an army strong enough to fight her mom so she can bring liberty to mankind. Her going on her Hitler-esque quest of world domination after the revelation she was against her mom all along would make no sense now.
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>>102260548
>Still, not matter how dumb your kid is, being on a school with death sentences is crazy, you are better anywhere but there, even if i am not sure, i can take a safe guess that Japan has not awful public schools, at least not as terrible as Honnouji.

I always took Honnouji as an exaggeration for the modern day Japanese highschool. They have to adhere to the school's bullshit system because that's where their kid ended up and they're too poor to move elsewhere. The death sentence bit is an extension of that exaggeration.
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>>102260215
>Apparently they were constantly at odds with one another.

They need to show this. They need to show this, really, really badly. This should have been in the first season, and in the first half. You need the audience to get their minds around the MC fast, so they both start to identify with them, and understand what is in store for the rest of the show (we have a brain, we can see how having emotional problems can be solved through the course of the show, whether the show will have a lot of action because the MC likes to fight, etc etc).

>>102260280
>But if we are going to believe that Satsuki is going to make it her life long goal to resist her mother's brainwashing and rebel against her, we need to


Alright, Satsuki. Satsuki is confusing. We got the really messed up molestation/power-trips her mom was having with her, so they set it up nicely. We got that she was really pissed off about it and went as far as to impale her mother and throw her onto a cross while blood rains down, so she sold it well enough. But... why? We got the set up, we got the anger and emotion, but where does it come from? We see Ryuuko get trashed, but that is a lot harder to empathize with because we know she is still alive and well. We need to see how Ragyou's cruelty really fucked someone over (in this case, her father). We need to see her killing him, or beating him, doing something to him to make us hate her. We need concrete to make sense of the abstract notion of "Satuski was planning this her entire life". We really need that quantified.

Satuski's father's story also raises questions of its own. Why did her like her? Was Ragyou always like this? Why did he think Satsuki would be able to take down Ragyou if she couldn't sync with the life fibers?

They still have time to explore these questions and answer them, but I get the feeling they won't. Its ironic though, because action shows benefit the most from good characterization.
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I just wish it wasn't so easily likeable so I wouldn't have to watch the same show as the demented people flooding the board.

It makes me sad, but it doesn't stop me from loving the fuck out of it. It may however affect the view of some people that would like it if it wasn't for the horrid fanbase it attracted.
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>>102260459
>Ryuuko's character development is so rushed and inconsistent that I liked her character much better at the beginning of the series than I do now. Her hot-bloodedness was her flaw that made her likable, but now that much of that is gone she's starting to border on Mary Sue territory.


Completely agree. Blushing, angry Ryuuko was absolute best Ryuuko. And not just because of my fetish, but because she had flaws and a personality to her.
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>>102260616
I always thought that her generaldominance over the school was just a reflection of the student council system in real-life highschools. She's allowed to do that because she's in a respected position. It's not necessarily right but the student body shows her respect because the position calls for it.
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>>102260793
>we
>we
>we
please stop
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>>102258766
Except you want that balance to exist in every episode. You want a 50/50 every episode. Kill la Kill doesn't have that. The first half is predominantly setting while the second is plot, but they don't mix. You're getting 70/30 then 30/70, creating 100% shit.
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>>102260746
How wouldn't it make sense? Instilling a totalitarian government to protect the freedom of citizens from Life Fibers, while it seems contradictory, makes perfect sense in the eyes of someone who sees people as pigs in human clothing.

inb4 "she made that up", there has to have been some truth to what she was saying. She wasn't just acting like a different person for her whole life, all of her ramblings about the greed of humanity (from that episode where Mako got a goku uniform) came from somewhere, because Ragyo doesn't believe any of that shit. I think her eventual goal is still to make a totalitarian government (doesn't mean she's evil at all though, well run totalitarian governments have advanced humanity more than you know).
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>>102260883
She doesn't blush anymore because she experienced character development...
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>>102260920
It is a choice of words. Do you prefer " the audience"? That takes a lot more time and space, and is really unnecessary because it is already implied by my taking the stance of critiquing, because I would be arguing from the standpoint of an outside viewer.
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Holy shit some people here really are trying to look far too deep into this series, I mean holy crap this isn´t LoGH its a simple, straight-forward, fast-paced action-comedy for gods sake
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>>102260616
She spent her entire life building up to that moment through manipulation and subjugation, ruling over Life Fibers and humans alike with an iron fist, and it failed, hardcore. Now, with her ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE gone to waste, it's time for her to start from scratch and learn some lessons in humility, charity, protecting the weak instead of oppressing them, that sort of thing.
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>>102261038
Anon please, the adults are talking.
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>>102261069
ok then please leave this thread now
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>>102261038

>being surprised that /a/ is dissecting it's obsession of the season.
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>>102261021
>How wouldn't it make sense? Instilling a totalitarian government to protect the freedom of citizens from Life Fibers,
Yes, I agree. That's the whole deal with her school. Survival of the fittest, no mercy, make an army to fight aliens.

But once aliens are defeated, what then? Carry on conquests of other lands? For what purpose? If she survives all this, she'll probably hand the keys of the school to her sister and move away to a nice summer palace with Shiro to relax for a decade or two.
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>>102261038
Nothing here is all that deep. This is basic narrative work and story direction.

If you wanted deep, we could talk about the portrayal of women as super powered action heroes, individualism vs. collectivism in the context of life-fiber synchronization, Satsuki and her political structuring, side-character freedom while living in a authoritarian meritocracy.
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>>102259410
Out of curiosity, KLK Writefag, I know you're doing Uzu x Nui from those threads yesterday, but could I make a Ryuuko x Nui request to add to your plate? I'm shy as fuck, but it's one of my favorite pairings. Satsuki x Nui is vanilla in comparison.
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>>102261038
don´t underestimate /a/'s autism
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>>102261023
Exactly, the problem is it happened way too fast.

She stopped blushing in episode 3 and stopped being angry in episode 15, almost completely. Without those flaws her character really has nowhere to go so she feels boring and flat, even though she still does cool stuff from time to time.

>>102261170
She might or might not, depending on how far the ambitions she talked about reached. It'll be interesting to see what direction she heads.
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>>102261170
Carry on running things as the president or some shit. A country doesn't have to be in constant conflict in order to justify having a leader.
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>>102261061
The weak are useless.
She only failed because she was not strong enough.
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>>102261411
She didn't anticipate her mother's asspull at the end of last ep. She cut her head off and the bitch still didn't die.

It's like in DBZ when Cell was completely obliterated but still wasn't dead because "hurrdurr cell regeneration".

Why have your characters operate on common logic if the world isn't going to adhere to it?
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>>102261249
She's about to find a new direction in fighting for all the people though
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>>102251461
Animation is the only actual problem. Everything else has been consistent from the start and exactly what I wanted from the series.
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>>102260528
Well, at least they're self-aware.
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>>102260528
I want to fuck that 5 year old girl
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>>102261244

Looks like I came back to check the thread just in time. I'll gladly take that request on after the UzuxNui thing, because I've delayed that one for way too long.

Consider it done.
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Mako brings Ryuuko's character down and probably should have been killed earlier in the series. They couldn't do that earlier in the show because it would have needed to have Satsuki involved but her being involved would have gotten in the way of Trigger attempting to get us to feel compassion for her later. Also gets in the way of a teamup which is something they appear to be heading to, we will have to see how Satsuki responds to this sister news.
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>>102261598
But the banshi was already shown in a previous episode. Not to mention it was pretty obvious Ragyou was 100% life fiber shortly afer she came onscreen
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>>102260843
Same here. I love the show and it's probably my favorite of 2013 and my favorite show currently airing, but the fanbase is toxic retards. I honestly don't think there would be as much hate on it if the fanbase wasn't filled with rabid idiots that freak out if someone says they don't like it.
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>>102261892
>Ragyou was 100% life fiber

But she is not.
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>>102260459
>>102260883
>>102261249
Ryuuko just got so angry she exploded and almost got herself killed by Tsumugu 2 episodes ago.

What the fuck are people going on? They completely misread Ryuuko all the time; she was too flawed just 2 episodes ago and now she is too perfect?
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I'd say the biggest problem the show has is that it's fantastic at building up hype, but can't always deliver on it (most recent episode being an exception). It isn't particularly bad most of the time, but it does usually fail to meet expectations that it built up for itself.

Ryuuko's and Satsuki's transformed Kamuis look fucking stupid. I don't even mind the sex appeal, I just feel like they look kind of dumb.

Changing the plot into "let's save the world from aliens" made the story less interesting and unique, even if it was something I should have seen coming.

I still think the show is overall quite fun and I look forward to it every week. I can like something even if a few of it's flaws are pretty noticeable.
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>>102259261
>>102259801
I may not agree with all your criticisms and some of the things you point out are things I actually like about the show, but this is a well thought out post with reasonable arguments that make sense. Thank you for not being a total faggot.
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>>102262061
Don't reply to them. They are literally getting angry over the fact that Ryuuko had positive character development. They still want the MC to be SnK tier ragesexual even though it's almost killed her.
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>>102261598
I don't really see how it's an asspull. Satsuki's sword had always been shown to only cut life fibers, not destroy them. We saw this when she cut Senketsu, but it just regenerated it back.
>It's like in DBZ when Cell was completely obliterated but still wasn't dead because "hurrdurr cell regeneration".
Now it's been ages since I've watched DBZ, but hadn't this been shown to be a thing way before that happened? Like we knew he could regenerate before that.
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>>102262061
>Ryuuko just got so angry she exploded and almost got herself killed by Tsumugu 2 episodes ago.
>episode 2
>fixed half way through the show

Well, I sure am glad the MC fixed her emotional problems. Now if she was only interesting outside of them.
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>>102260793
>Ryuuko has very little reason to be as involved as she is. Sure, her father was killed, but she hardly ever spoke to the guy and didn't seem to care about him much before the story started.
Did you just completely ignore episode 8? In which Ryuuko talks about the real reason she got involved in the first place? It was textually stated by the story.

>So we don't empathize with Ryuuko much because "some killed my father" is actually an abstract concept that I doubt many people have actually experience.
She was fighting to find out the truth and because she was frustrated at her own relationship with Isshin.

>That need to ground that abstract concept by making her struggle with it--in private, without a fight sequence.
Episodes 13 and 17; did you completely ignore them or something?

>They need to show this. They need to show this, really, really badly. This should have been in the first season, and in the first half. You need the audience to get their minds around the MC fast, so they both start to identify with them, and understand what is in store for the rest of the show.
They're going to. Ryuuko's relationship with Isshin is going to be integral to the story now that he knows he isn't her real father:
>こうなるとお父さんと、纏博士の関係も気になるところです。
>流子がどういう経緯で幼少期を過ごしたのかも。
http://www.excite.co.jp/News/reviewmov/20140217/E1392567990751.html?_p=2
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>>102259261
>The entire tournament arc borders on irrelevant because it was of no use to give the Elite 4 a power up when we didn't have any connection as to what they could do before hand
>The dropped cliff hangers
>Nudist Beach is stupid
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>>102262389
2 EPISODES AGO IS EPISODE 16
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>>102262061
I don't get it either. People complained for ages that Ryuuko was a dumb, stupid person and was always getting roughed over because of it making her boring and as soon as she gets development that fixes said problems and she starts winning she becomes a boring "Mary Sue" even though she's not. I don't know why people are against character development mattering in the plot. She still obviously has her hotheadness too it's just that she's learned not to have it overtake her. Seriously it makes perfect sense and seeing her grow stronger because of her own drive is really fulfilling to see, so I don't know why people don't like it.
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The story is complete shit.
The world building is complete shit. The only consistent recognizable place in the anime is the fucking school ground
The art direction feels horribly unprofessional and not in a good way.
Almost all characters except for Ryuuko and Satsuki are underused. Mako is overused.
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>>102261875
Alright. Thanks for this. I'll look forward to both fics. At some point I'm going to bookmark all your pastebins. I shared one with a friend of mine. He was uh... solid.
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>>102262582
Oh, you are talking about that "explosion", the one that was used as a cliffhanger and fixed less than 5 minutes into the next episode. It didn't mean much. The speculation was that Ryuuko was also created by her father to fight life fibers, but they didn't use that.
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>>102262356
Satsuki said herself that Ragyou wouldn't survive a beheading. Being a vampire is one thing, but why is she 100% immortal now?

Same with Cell. It was established that he could be regenerate but the Z fighters said that if he's completely obliterated with a blast then there's nothing left to regenerate from.

It's a cartoon so I don't mind if it doesn't make sense, but why go out of your way to have the characters operate on common logic in the first place? Satsuki shouldn't have assumed Ragyou would survive a beheading. What other than common sense would have her believe that?
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>>102262631
>The story is complete shit.
>The world building is complete shit.
>The art direction feels horribly unprofessional and not in a good way.
>Almost all characters except for Ryuuko and Satsuki are underused. Mako is overused.
Look at all these opinions, things that don't matter, or things that are factually wrong with no actual arguments or reasoning behind them.
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>>102262589
People just want to find something to complain about. I agree with you. People whined in the beginning when about how she was stupid and hotheaded and now they complain when she has had development and actually fixed those issues with her.
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>>102262389
>>102262582
Ahahahahaha sigh, laughed way too loud at this exchange.
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>>102262631
you are really bad at this, you should read some other posts in this thread who actually gave detailed and good criticism without showing their inner sperglord
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>>102262589
This. Ryuuko has excellent character development and anyone who says otherwise is an autist who can't pay attention properly or a faggot who just wants her to be hotblooded 24/7. That was never her character. Yes, she had a temper and she still has it, but she's learned to control it now.

The whole "Ryuuko is boring now that she isn't a rage-filled dumbass" or "Ryuuko is a Mary Sue" are the worst complaints in this thread.
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>>102262718
*Sastuki shouldn't have assumed Ragyou wouldn't survive
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Honestly, Mako.

I know I'll get hate for this but all she really serves to do at this point is make Ryuuko look dumb, her hallelujah shit stops being cute if you keep doing, her character isn't going to get any development because that isn't the point of her character and I am sure due to the more serious tone the show is taking any scenes with it will be the weakest of the episode. I think she's kind of a victim of the change in tone kill la kill took, she fit when it was an action comedy but now it kind of isn't anymore.
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>>102262729
>>102262744
Prove me wrong, nerds.
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>>102261875
>>102262635

...Though I will have to admit that my only request is that it ends in flowing tears.

Delinquent tears shed over inadequacy...
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>>102262718
>Satsuki said herself that Ragyou wouldn't survive a beheading. Being a vampire is one thing, but why is she 100% immortal now?
>Same with Cell. It was established that he could be regenerate but the Z fighters said that if he's completely obliterated with a blast then there's nothing left to regenerate from.
These are things they didn't know for a fact though. They were speculating. There was nothing that said that this would 100% work. Satsuki and the Z fighters didn't have some paper that told them everything about their enemy and how to defeat them. They went on their best assumptions with the information they had at hand. The reason the characters work on common knowledge is because that's what they have. You're asking for characters to be omniscient and that's boring and makes way less sense. Characters trying things out based on what they know makes perfect sense and if it doesn't work there's a reason why in both shows.
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>>102262631
>The art direction feels horribly unprofessional and not in a good way
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>>102262767
Mako hasn't even made Ryuuko look dumb late; she doesn't do anything. Her dialogue since episode 14 has been "I'll never leave Ryuuko's side!"
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The anime is mediocre. Guilty Crown was miles better.
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>>102262631
>The story is complete shit.
Outright false. If you're not interested then tough luck.

>The world building is complete shit. The only consistent recognizable place in the anime is the fucking school ground
Debatable.

>The art direction feels horribly unprofessional and not in a good way.
You clearly don't know what art direction is. If you mean designs then it's either good or bad. If you don't like it then again, tough luck. If you mean the budget issues then say so. Even that has improved some other time.

>Almost all characters except for Ryuuko and Satsuki are underused. Mako is overused
Agreed
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>>102262924
I thought she made her look dumb with that whole Tsumugu exchange, why couldn't Ryuuko take a deep breath and think for a second there too? Any scene with mako in it at this point seems forced.
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>>102263022
Now that's a troll post but only someone with brain damage would fall for that.
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>>102262742
That was silly of me. I thought he said episode 2, not 2 episodes ago. That incident hardly registered with me.
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The Isshin complaint is kinda justified, it's obvious that they're going to give us the meat on Ryuuko's relationship with Isshin and what the guy actually thought about his adopted daughter and it's obvious that it's going to define Ryuuko's character development but at the same time maybe they should have hinted at the fact that he truly loved her back in the first half.

And Nudist Beach isn't pointless, Nudist Beach is the manifestation of Isshin's love for Ryuuko. That's the only reason they exist.

>>102262704
The speculation turned out to be true; Ryuuko was projecting her own frustration on Senketsu.
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>>102263074
Seriously, people like Kill la Kill better than Guilty Crown? Guilty Crown has more wasted potential but it's overall miles better.
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>>102263061
Because if she didn't explode people would be calling her a Mary sue.
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>>102262750
>The whole "Ryuuko is boring now that she isn't a rage-filled dumbass" or "Ryuuko is a Mary Sue" are the worst complaints in this thread.

The issue is that she lacks motivation. Before, she could be a teenage, hot-blooded kid that wants to do *something* about having the father she never knew killed. That made sense, but not so much now. Now she does it because Senketsu is suppose to do it? Or because she wants to protect Mako? Not really good reasons for her to be involved, as Senketsu has no reason to stay either and Mako would be fine anyway (she wouldn't but Trigger never played this up so it is the same thing.)
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>>102263165
GC is utter unrewatchable shit.
That anime is more than just wasted potential.
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>>102251461

It saved anime after one episode, but then kept going. What for?
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>>102263221
She dived into the arena because she thought people were going to be consumed by clothing and she has experienced firsthand how terrible that feels; she wanted to save Mako's family.
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>>102263165
On the off-chance that you're serious, there's no point even comparing them. They don't have a thing in common.

>>102263225
>GC is utter unrewatchable shit.
You're being overdramatic. Most people who have actually bothered to rewatch the show will probably tell you it's surprisingly different the second or third time around, myself included. It's not a show meant for week-by-week consumption, not at all.
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>>102263179
You can get pissed and calm yourself down.

If you removed Mako from the show nobody would care, there is nothing interesting about her. Any scene with her in it just seems forced. Nui is silly too but at least they still have her origin story to tell, Mako has nothing.
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>>102263043
What about the story is good?
I can deal with everything else but the story is complete shit. It isn't even opinions anymore, it's just a generic shonen story.

How exactly does Kill la Kill have a better story like let's say Naruto?
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>>102263355
If there wasn't Mako in the scene Senketsu would have calmed her down himself... which maybe would have been more fitting.
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>>102263330
It was best watched with /a/, I will never rewatch it as I have deleted it off my HDs already. On the other hand I will rewatch Kill la Kill most likely and will look forward to downloading BD versions of it.
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>>102263221
>That made sense, but not so much now.
How so? It still motivates her to find out more about her dad and Senketsu, the scissor blade, and NB are her only connection to her father left and with Mako's family in danger and her being the only one that can really do anything it makes perfect sense for her to get to the stadium and fight.
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>>102263382
I never said good, but it is by no means shit.

It's basic yet passable. What it comes down to is execution.
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>>102263406
I would have preferred that way more than having mako do it.
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>>102263408
>It was best watched with /a/, I will never rewatch it as I have deleted it off my HDs already.

Okay? I don't care what you did, I'm telling you it's an entirely different show upon rewatch because I know this myself. I watched it with /a/ and I've seen it twice since then, I can say with confidence that the other two times around were better.

I actually should revise what I said earlier to say that they have literally two things in common: ancient aliens being a plot point and human evolution being addressed, to a greater degree in GC than KlK. Other than that? Not a thing.
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>>102263488

>Episode 9
Oh my God G let me hook you up.
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>>102263355
>If you removed Mako from the show nobody would care, there is nothing interesting about her. Any scene with her in it just seems forced.
She's Ryuuko's friend. She's probably the person that cares about her most. She has every reason to be with Ryuuko.
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>>102262742
>sigh
kill la kill yourself
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The animation is really inconsistent on account of the no budget, which is made worse when you see some really good stuff in there now and then. Also, I like Ryuuko, but her motivation isn't exactly relateable or compelling.
>My Dad is kill, time to fight
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>>102259595
They said this, She wanted to see if she was strong enough to stand by her side to take down REVOCS/COVERS. She obviously knew her mother and Nui were responsible back from the first episode when she said shes seen someone with a blade like that before. Its all about piecing plot points together.
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>>102263330
I agree with you that GC is better on a rewatch, but I still don't think it's very good at all even on the rewatch. I've rewatched a large portion of Kill la Kill due to getting some friends into it and I was still heavily enjoying it.
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If they go the ultra-awful "I'M A MONSTER NOW, DON'T TOUCH ME!" character arc route with Ryuuko I swear to God...

A Vader-Luke-like arc in which she is afraid of becoming just like Ragyou would be fine, an arc in which she starts crying because BAKEMONO would be lame.
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>>102263674
>implying that's really motivation

for all we know Matoi isn't even her real father.
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>>102263787
>for all we know Matoi isn't even her real father.
But as far as she knows, he is
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>>102263787
>>102263674
No, this is going to be a real plot point. Ryuuko won't give a shit about Ragyou or the Kiryuin name and she will call herself "Matoi Isshin's daughter, Matoi Ryuuko".
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>>102263704
It's no modern masterpiece, but it's a good show. There are a lot of little clever touches and powerful instances of hindsight to it that I honestly wouldn't have believed were there if I hadn't gone and confirmed them myself, and while I'd love to TL;DR about those, I'll probably save it for GC thread rather than derailing a KlK one.
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>>102263581
But she can't do anything. Ryuuko already has Senketsu for moral support. Any scenes with mako in it will seem disjointed with everything else going on. Mako is the comic relief character in a part of the show that doesn't require comic relief.
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>>102263787
The guy who rescued a dying baby from the trash is her father.
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what's the point of discussing it's weaker points? if you like it then watch it,if you don't then don't watch it.what's the big deal?
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>>102251461
Everyone watching this anime makes their individual thread on /a/, resulting in over 10 active kill la kill threads at the same time.
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>>102251461
Honestly it some of the gag episodes and the drops in quality that get me.
Looking back i'm starting to like it more and more.
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>>102263743
No, but expect Satsuki to think of her that way.
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>>102264037

And it's glorious isn't it?
I go on /a/ and all I see is KLK.
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Pulling the stuff of Ryuuko of having a special resistance to life fibers in ep 16 and then that she is a life fiber hibrid in the las ep, destroyed the character for me, becuase this means that a lot of the stuff she accomplished was because she "THE CHOOSEN ONE" and not becaouse her own strenght and ger own growth, i guess that revelation even implies that she was never in real danger, if Ragyoo could survive being beheaded, so this means that Ryuuko can do that too.

Also a couple of things in the direction, specially that they keep secret who was Satsuki dad for not real reason at all, inconsistencies in flashbacks, some build-ups not deliver enough (especially Nudist Bitch), and how episodes keep going from serious stuff to silly humour then returning to really serious shit as pic related.

Sometime characters talk waaaaay to much like the past ep in the discussion between Satsuki and Ragyo, Devas vs Nui, then in Ryuuko vs Nui fight, i like when character talk while they are fighting like in both Satsuki vs Ryuuko and the first Ryuuko vs Nui fights but when they stop to talk or are just running in circles around the enemy while talking it feel that they are just prolonging the scene for not real reason at all.

i don´t mind the limited animation, actually i like how much KLK does with so little animation and with help of 3D and some special effects like the light flares,
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>this entire thread
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>>102263921
>But she can't do anything.
So? Nudist Beach can't really do anything either. Neither can the devas. This doesn't make their characters bad and they shouldn't just be thrown away.
>Mako is the comic relief character in a part of the show that doesn't require comic relief.
If anything this IS the part of the show that needs a comic relief character. Early on there was a lot more comedic situations happening and she created more. Now the show is in very serious territory which is where you need comic relief. That's the whole purpose of comic relief. The relieve the tension of very dramatic situations. I really don't see the point of complaining about her either. She's not even featured that heavily. Last episode she had around 8 lines if that and it was humorous and made her useful which is what she usually does so far.
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>>102264103
That's every single shounen manga ever. Goku only won because he was a saiyan! Yusuke was always a half-demon!
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>>102264037
how new are you? it has always been like this when a show was popular on /a/
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>>102264037
>Everyone watching this anime makes their individual thread on /a/, resulting in over 10 active kill la kill threads at the same time.
Welcome to /a/ during a very popular show's run. Would you like a "New User's" Badge? Would you like to know how to use the hide function? Would you like to fuck off and actually contribute to a thread about something you like?
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>>102252442

why is this?, i´m suprised that the KLK BD rips are not uploaded to any public tracker
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>>102262925
God episode five was awesome.
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How exactly is Satsuki spiderman?
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How the show did fucking nothing from 2-15
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>>102264103
>Pulling the stuff of Ryuuko of having a special resistance to life fibers in ep 16 and then that she is a life fiber hibrid in the las ep, destroyed the character for me, becuase this means that a lot of the stuff she accomplished was because she "THE CHOOSEN ONE" and not becaouse her own strenght and ger own growth
But it was through her own strength and growth still. She wasn't kicking ass and taking names immediately and a lot of the challenges she overcame were because of her intuition, her wit at times, and her bond with Senketsu. Sure she was THE CHOSEN ONE all along, but this doesn't destroy everything she did before hand because she did all that herself still.
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>>102263382
>How exactly does Kill la Kill have a better story like let's say Naruto?

1) Bait.
2) It's not a clusterfuck. Easy.
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>>102253062

i was surprised that mako didn´t jump between White Ryuuko and Satsuki fight.
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>>102263382
>I can deal with everything else but the story is complete shit. It isn't even opinions anymore
>story doesn't reinvent the wheel means it's complete shit
>How exactly does Kill la Kill have a better story like let's say Naruto?
Oh man we are pure b8 now.
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>>102251461
That there's only 6 episodes left and trigger is apparently self aware that Ryuuko needs to do something to cement herself as the protagonist, why isn't that obvious already?

I dont even care, Satsuki is probably an emotional wreck right now and I would honestly probably watch her cry and go through some introspection then whatever cool thing Ryuuko is going to do.
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If the OVA isn't about the Devas hanging out I'm going to be sad.
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>>102259714
its more like every 4 maybe 6 or so
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>>102264617
>That there's only 6 episodes left and trigger is apparently self aware that Ryuuko needs to do something to cement herself as the protagonist, why isn't that obvious already?
She has always been cemented as the main protagonist. The next episode really shows you why she is. They knew all along and saved for this moment for a reason.
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>>102264725
Fucking hot springs episode when
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>>102264797
If you need to do something to reaffirm this late in the series something is. Satsuki is going to even take away from
Ryuuko next episode solely because she's starting her development and watching a character like her reduced to a sobbing mess is interesting. Ragyo probably should have killed her last episode.
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God damn this show picked up pace, went from nearly dropping it as the show received hate from almost everyone to loving it as soon as the second cour started.

I guess the weakest point of the series was the tri-city raid trip, considering that. Shameless fucking filler, wasn't even good for world-building.
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>>102265250
>filler
The only actual "filler" episode was the fourth episode.
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>>102264725
Next episode is about the Devas hanging out with Nudist Beach
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>>102265234
>Satsuki is going to even take away from
>Ryuuko next episode solely because she's starting her development and watching a character like her reduced to a sobbing mess is interesting.
Which is probably why she won't be featured heavily in the episode. They'll start back up on her development in the next one more than likely.
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>>102258869

>She rarely gets any wins

But she defeated all clubs, all devas at least 1 time, she recovered Senketsu, and now she can win agains Nui.

well, of course her defeat are more important to the plot and her character growth, 1 defeat and 1 tie against Satsuki, 1 defeat against Tsugumu, 2 defeats agains Nui, which in the end she still wins something as character.

I don´t think Ryuuko is a bad protagonist, sometime she is just annoying but thats part of her character.
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- Low budget.

- This show so far doesn't have a huge emotional impact like TTGL did.
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>>102265396
The thing is though a lot of people are waiting to see Satsuki again, so if she isn't in it Ryuuko is really going to do something massive. That's why I said they should have killed her last episode.
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>>102265655
Why does Satsuki have to do in order for Ryuuko to do something big? It would waste everything they've done with her character and some major plot points like the whole sister thing. There is no reason to kill her at this point when it won't leave any emotional impact compared to if she dies later on.
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>>102265665
BUT THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS.
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the pacing is a bit off, shit got too real too fast
the tonal shift was cool but it is the root of my 2 biggest problems:
1. Mako is just a holdover from the first cour and she is 100% out of place at this point in time, if she doesn't do something important pretty soon I might literally skip/mute her scenes
2. the characters are too cool for them to die fuck you trigger
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>>102265980
>implying anyone has even died yet

actually I just realized its episode 18 and a total of two people have died, both in the first episode and both minor characters.
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>>102266046
>actually I just realized its episode 18 and a total of two people have died, both in the first episode and both minor characters.
Actually one person has died. Isshin Matoi.
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>>102263563
>posting the one with the lazier episode 18 reaction
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>>102266112
guy who stole the one star uniform got killed by Gamagoori and the boxing club captain got killed by Ryuuko
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You guys need to get a better argument than the pacing, it's supposed to fast.
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>>102266191
Pacing is one of those things that's really difficult to get down. Some people like to have everything fleshed out and some people wanna go fast.
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>>102266170
>guy who stole the one star uniform got killed by Gamagoori and the boxing club captain got killed by Ryuuko
Nope. Neither are dead. Kid who stole the uniform is seen in a later scene and was never said to be dead, it was a mistranslation. The Boxing Club Captain appears in an audio drama I believe. The only actual confirmed death of the series is Isshin.
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>>102265850
Satsuki overshadows Ryuuko a lot, she can't do that from the grave.

Ragyo is so comically evil you actually feel more compassion for the baby she kept then the one she threw in the fucking garbage.
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>>102266046
>implying main characters will not die
I don't want it even a little bit but I can feel it in my gut
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>>102266191
It's not that it's fast, it's inconsistent

Sometimes nothing happens for 3 episodes and we just see cannon fodder getting beat up and other times (like now) there are like 6 huge reveals in 3 episodes and fights that actually matter.
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>>102263787
Despite pushing her away for most of her life, he did a WAY better job than her "mom", when you think about it. Plus, now she has Mako's family as a surrogate.
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>>102266142
Man, I fear for future generations of channers who look at that image.

Not only does it spoil fucking EVERYTHING, it does it in the most confusing, cluttered way imaginable.
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>>102266284
The one she threw in the garbage had a better life, after all. Anything to get away from the worst mother in the history of anything.
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>>102266241
I really think it matters what kind of show it is. KlK is one of those shows that doesn't really slow down and keeps up a pretty constant pace and I think it fits. I find it funny that people say KlK's pacing is too fast when most people call it a shounen which are notorious for being drug out super long.
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>>102266321
A lot of what I've seen being said in this thread about inconsistency is about the formula this anime follows, even though this anime is moving at a million miles an hour it's still following a formula that has been used in anime for a long time. The things you guys think are pointless are the same things every anime of this nature have in them.
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>>102251880
>unrelateable character
B8 or you are stupid. Ryuko is a garbage-baby truant that was forced to wear alien clothes to make any sort of progress in asking a simple question- of-course it's unrelateable to you and most everyone else, because you're a fucking idiot that has autism. Do you need the fucking narrator from LOTGH to help you? Maybe Naruto-level inner monologues? Do you need things laid out for you like a moron?
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>>102266284
>Satsuki overshadows Ryuuko a lot, she can't do that from the grave.
But that's a dumb reason to kill a character. It's basically an excuse to make Ryuuko stand out more instead of trying to make her a better, more interesting character. I'm quite glad they didn't kill Satsuki. Not just because I really love her character, but because it shows a willingness on Trigger's part to try to make Ryuuko an even more exciting protagonist to get behind. I already think Ryuuko is an excellent character and has been well developed over the course of the show and if they can reinforce that even more it'll be great and not make Satsuki's character a total waste.
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>>102266142
Jesus christ after episode 8 or 9 that thing is getting cluttered as all fuck and spoiling everything.

Less is more, people. You don't need the fucking characters and every prop from the god damn show in the background. It's supposed to be people reacting, not participating.
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>>102266430
if the show had no filler episodes the pacing would be perfect
I think it's the quick escalation paired with the shift in tone, that shit was REALLY jarring
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I only hate Mako because she's become this sort of cushy safety blanket for people too afraid of violence, rape, murder, etc. Like, holy shit, a show by fucked up Japanese dude has fucked up shit in it, OH GOD WHERE IS CUTE MAKO GIFS RETREAT TO TUMBLR
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>>102266517
Being thrown away by Ragyo is the best thing that could have happened to her, though.
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Ryuko gets to deal with being the child that was never wanted who lost her father because he plotted to over throw an empire.
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>>102256159
almost all animes haves an horrible pacing
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>>102266517
Not him, but

Her motivation is WHO KILLED MY DAD without showing any kind of father-daughter relationship, and it comes off as being shallow as fuck.

She is hard to understand or to relate because she's a shitty character with lack of development. Now, if a twist is that she's actually a robot, that would make more sense.
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>>102266789
Anime is singular as well as plural, please stop putting a fucking s on it.
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>>102266789
And this is on the shittier end of the spectrum, so it's pretty fucking bad.
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>>102266827
>and it comes off as being shallow as fuck.
They only managed to make it passable by saying he wanted to find out more about him, but even then she doesn't really do that.
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tfw no queen to serve
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Nothing is developed enough to care about anything. I don't care about nudisto beechi because it got destroyed so quickly. I don't care about the four devas because their development was crammed into one episode each before being sidelined completely. Ryuuko lost senketsu and then got him back instantly. Nui literally popped out of nowhere and became the villain. Ragyo pretty much did the same and they expect us to care about the conflict that is happening. But you can't care about a faction of one-dimensional protagonists fighting one-dimensional antagonists for the flimsiest reasons.
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>>102256159
>Horrible Pacing
This hackneyed phrase again?
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>>102256159
>We've had 15 episodes of utter filler
Learn what filler is.
>Ryuuko is literally asspull incarnate.
Learn what an asspull is.
>-Nui. What is her motivation? What does she plan on doing?
We don't know yet. Not everything should be revealed immediately.
>-Mako was nice in the first half of the show, now she is unnecessary and annoying as fuck.
She serves as comic relief which is needed more than ever at this point.
>No one wants her around and no one cares.
I do. Her scenes are quite funny.
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>>102266998
Again, complaining about the formula the anime follows.
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>>102267044
I know right, that word is so overused when people talk shit about KLK.

MAYBE IT DOES HAVE SHITTY PACING
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>>102251461
None.

This anime has honestly changed my life.

I went into it not expecting much, considering that was hyped to shit. Holy fucking shit, was I blown away. I was hooked, like a baby to a tit with creamy foamy milk. I could feel the energy and hype flowing through my body, bringing light to my dull life. I resonated with Ryuuko. I could feel his struggle and his desire to surpass her limitations, something that struck me hard. Everything suddenly stopped when I heard the words:

DON'T LOSE YOUR WAY!

and I started trembling. That was me, I feel like I've been "Losing my way" these past years. I haven't been able to hold a steady job, my grades were starting to slip, and my parents suspect that I'm gay. It was right then and there that I knew that I had to get my shit together. I can't think of any other anime that has had such a profound effect on me, let alone on the first episode. Tomorrow, I'm going to be a better man. Thank you, Kill la Kill, thank you Trigger.

I'll never lose my way.
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>>102267108
People say it about every single show on this board.
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>>102267113
Autism
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>>102267108
Nope, I for one never had the impression the pacing is bad
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>>102267212
This is not what i wanted to post. That pic isnt even in my disk.
But, damn, that was accurate
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>>102267212
>responding seriously to pasta
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>>102267256
see >>102266636
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>>102267113
Please don't blog about your life, nobody gives a shit.
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>>102267064
>Learn what filler is.
>Learn what an asspull is.
Fucking newfags
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>>102267212
>>102267270

to bad you are replying to a copypasta, retard
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>>102267212
It's a pasta.
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>>102266998
>I don't care about nudisto beechi because it got destroyed so quickly.
It didn't. Watch the show.
>I don't care about the four devas because their development was crammed into one episode each before being sidelined completely.
They weren't sidelined though and there development, while minuscule was done well.
>Ryuuko lost senketsu and then got him back instantly.
This was part of Ryuuko's character development if you didn't notice. It was not so much about the plot, but about her character and her relationship with Senketsu getting stronger after it had been torn down.
>Nui literally popped out of nowhere and became the villain.
It should've been obvious that Satsuki was not the true villain or killed Ryuuko's dad from the start.
>Ragyo pretty much did the same
Not really. She's been built up since she first appeared which was episode 6. She most certainly did not pop out of nowhere and become the villain when it was obvious that she was in charge of Satsuki from her first appearance.
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>>102267113
Look at this faggot
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>>102267319
so what?
and you certainly don´t know what filler actually means
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>>102267326
>>102267395
alright now I'm convinced any reaction to this copypasta is just the guy who posted it samefagging.

Fuck off.
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>>102267328
>doesn't know what those words means
>calling others newfags because they have no arguments
Maybe learn what those terms mean and come back with an argument.
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>>102267437
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>>102267064
>Learn what filler is.
This is episode 19, and everything that happened so far can be done within 10 episodes or less.
>Learn what an asspull is.
How about you fucking learn it
>She serves as comic relief which is needed more than ever at this point.
She's overstepping the boundary of a comic relief. A comic relief doesn't interrupt the plot's progression, or become anything major in the story.
>I do. Her scenes are quite funny.
You have shit taste in humor
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>>102264197

>Goku only won because he was a saiyan!

in the orginal DB goku was just a weird kid in a world full of weird creatures, in DBZ he was a saiyan but Saiayns where not the strongest race ever and still there was creatures stronger than him, i didn´t watched GT so i don´t know what happened there.

>Yusuke was always a half-demon!

and still there was more demons and other creatures and things.

In KLK Ryuuko is a life liber hibrid, the only other life fiber hibrid is the Big Bad, Ragyoo, who is inmortal for being a life fiber being, so this means that Ryuuko is inmortal too.

>That's every single shounen manga ever.

I agree, it was my mistake for thinking that KLK was not like the other shounen mangas and animes when since ep 1 it was clear that it follows all the classic tropes.
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I was like "man fuck the hype with this show".

I just got all caught up because /a/ woudln't shut the fuck up about it.

guise.....
anime is really saved
im sorry i doubted any of you.
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Anyone have that gif of senketsu drying himself after they took a dive.
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Kill la Kill is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and TITS. The normal anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the life fibers, peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole uniform faggotry and everything about the Kill la Kill world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up.

Kill la Kill is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Kill la Kill threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.
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>>102267598
That's not cute.
It kinda is
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>>102267503
>everything that happened so far can be done within 10 episodes or less.
>could be done quicker
>these mean the episodes are filler
So you're just saying they could condense them better and make it a tighter show, right? Because every episode besides one episode has been important to the plot and/or characters development.
>How about you fucking learn it
An asspull implies that it came out of nowhere and for no reason. None of Ryuuko's so called "asspulls" are actually asspulls. The are set up by the show through foreshadowing.
>A comic relief doesn't interrupt the plot's progression, or become anything major in the story.
When has Mako ever stopped the plot's progression? If anything she's made it go faster at points see Episode 3. And since when can comic relief not become anything major in the story? This happens all the time and is done just fine, so it doesn't make any sense to say this.
>You have shit taste in humor
Well that's your opinion and you have every right to it. And I can have the opinion that you don't like funny things because you are a no fun having loser with shit taste in humor as well.
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>>102267558
Here. BONUS: Mako too!
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>deleting gateway pasta but not DON'T LOSE YOUR WAAAAAAY pasta

Moderation confirmed for KLKbabbies
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>>102267507
>In KLK Ryuuko is a life liber hibrid, the only other life fiber hibrid is the Big Bad, Ragyoo, who is inmortal for being a life fiber being, so this means that Ryuuko is inmortal too.
This has not been confirmed at all. In fact it's a straight lie since we know Ragyo is gonna die at some point and that life fibers are able to be destroyed. So they are not immortal. They are just very resilient.
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>>102267939
Please go meta shit post a different thread, nobody gives a shit.
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>>102264429

Yeah she didn´t know what she can do, but it doesn´t mattter because she was never in real danger, Ragyoo defeated Satsuki with pure raw strenght so Ryuuko could do that against anybody else too, Ragyoo is a life fiber hibrid too and she is inmortal, so this means that Ryuuko is inmortal too, Ragyoo is the only character in all KLK that can actually hurt Ryuuko, so how everything else matter when she was never in any real danger at all.
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>>102267782
>Because every episode besides one episode has been important to the plot
At average of 5 minutes per episode actually mattered to the plot. There isn't designated filler episodes in KLK, but most episodes have huge chunks of fillers.
>the show through foreshadowing.
No, those power-ups are 'foreshadowed' in the same episodes that the power-ups happen most of the time. That's just shitty planning.
>When has Mako ever stopped the plot's progression?
For one, there was 'Ryuuko went berserk so I must save her with my LOLFRIENDSHIP'
>fun having loser with shit taste in humor as well.
I bet you unironically liked Jar Jar
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>>102266827
What do you need for the father-daughter relationship to be understood? He was a work-driven, ambitious, scientist with traditional values and huge secret to hide. He raised her until he knew he couldn't answer her questions, and then sent her away. He would rather be hated by her than have her a target of Ragyo. Ryuuko's motivation in life is to find out why so many obstinately "good" people with strong convictions would deny her something personal to her. Are you saying it's "shallow" only because you prefer to see what is implied?
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>>102267782
>When has Mako ever stopped the plot's progression? If anything she's made it go faster at points see Episode 3. And since when can comic relief not become anything major in the story? This happens all the time and is done just fine, so it doesn't make any sense to say this.

Not that anon, but for me it isn't that she stops plot progression it's just that she fucks it over. I mean sure in the end things got "resolved" due to her intervention but it's just done poorly. I can't see how anyone can look back on episodes 3, 5, and especially 12 and think "Yep, that's what this scene needed." Shit is fine in episodes like 2, 4, and whatever her own episode was but now it's gotten to the point to where I'm skipping scenes on the first time of watching a new episode anytime Mako is on screen.

I haven't, and refuse to ever, see the full extent of her RYUUKO-CHANRYUUKO-CHANRYUUKO-CHAN scene in 12, RyuukoxSenketsu speech in whatever the fuck it was, the last few seconds of the episodes before that one, and however long the Mankanshoko's scene was in this latest episode. They have outgrown their usefulness and need to be written to the sidelines and abandon their shitty crutch of an "instant remedy" button and get to writing some actual solutions to their problems not "Mako being an ass scene #14" which instantly makes everything better because fuck you it's Mako.
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>>102264797

>The next episode really shows you why she is.

yes because she is Life Fiber Hibrid, so only she can figh againt life fibers, everyone else will become irrelevant or disposable shields at best.
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>>102267787
Thanks m8.
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>>102268183
>but it doesn´t mattter because she was never in real danger
Except when she was fighting Nui. The only time she was never in real danger was when she was fighting the club members, the devas, and Satsuki and it had already been revealed to us that she was in no real danger then before she was revealed be a hybrid. As we all know though the scissor blades can destroy life fibers and Nui has one of them making her a big threat to Ryuuko since she was introduced. Nui could've killed her. She was never in danger from Satsuki and the others for the most part. She was in danger from Nui and Ragyo the whole time they've been around though.
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>>102265234

>If you need to do something to reaffirm this late in the series something is.

i was always worried by this, one thing it to talk about how "in next ep Ryuuko will do X stuff" or "we will see X stuff from Ryuuko" but when both the Trigger staff and the VA keep saying "Ryuuko is the MC" after several months of the start of the show is kind of worrying why they feel they need to put that in clear, i don´t follow popularity charts but, how popular are the KLK characters compared with character from other shows of this season?
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>>102268208
>At average of 5 minutes per episode actually mattered to the plot.
You're exaggerating here. Also you're asking for every single bit of an episode to be important to the plot/characters. This just doesn't exist anywhere in television.
>No, those power-ups are 'foreshadowed' in the same episodes that the power-ups happen most of the time.
Watch the show more. Senketsu's transformation ability was foreshadowed the episode before it first happened. So was her synchronization with Senketsu.
>For one, there was 'Ryuuko went berserk so I must save her with my LOLFRIENDSHIP'
That didn't stop the plot's progression though. It progressed it in a different direction that you thought it would/wanted it to. That isn't stopping the progression of the plot.
>I bet you unironically liked Jar Jar
No because nothing he said was funny. Mako is way different from JarJar. We don't have the same taste in comedy. Let's just put this aside because we're not going to convince each other on anything on this matter.
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>>102262832

Pretty much anything I've written thus far has caused tears. I don't see that trend ending anytime soon.

Here are the links for anyone who is curious or hasn't bookmarked them yet:

Nui - http://pastebin.com/B3MmHRke

Nonon and Anon - http://pastebin.com/KhruVfgF

Nonon and Anon 2 - http://pastebin.com/auKDTD5s

Satsuki and Ryuuko lovin - http://pastebin.com/iPS6Ru4U
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The twist of "lol Satsuki was plotting against her mom" not only was obvious, but it also makes her actions seem downright illogical.

Having no-star students being killed and mistreated? All part of the plan! Defeating three schools and taking down Nudist Beach? Man, taking down potential allies sure was productive!

Given how ignorant Raygo was towards her, Satsuki could have led a literal Battle of Five Armies and gotten away with it if she had just swallowed her damn pride.
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Mako and the Ending 2

I hate them
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>>102266998
Ryuuko lost senketsu and then got him back instantly
I don't know what you want from the show, anon. Are you saying you don't want Nui to exist or that you want entire episodes dedicated to each piece of Senketsu being collected, perhaps? How would you have liked it if Satsuki just killed the unconscious Ryuuko holding onto the one fragment of Senketsu? She's no value to anyone without her suit, right?
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>>102268745
>You're exaggerating here.
I'll admit that
>Also you're asking for every single bit of an episode to be important to the plot/characters.
Not exactly, but KLK is extremely lacking in this area of plot/character development, and when it does have development, it feels really jumpy.
If it was some shonen anime, it would be justified, but with the hype that its getting, the show should be better.
>Senketsu's transformation ability was foreshadowed the episode before
Being foreshadowed an episode before is still pretty shitty.
> It progressed it in a different direction that you thought it would/wanted it to.
I admit that I'm mad because it didn't go the way I hoped.
But I have to disagree that it progressed the plot in any way. All it did was to neutralize the plot point in an unconvincing manner.
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>>102267443
Calling it filler is the polite thing to do cause other wise you'd have to call it dead time in the middle of the plot.
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>>102268909
>Having no-star students being killed and mistreated?
We have seen no student actually killed. Honnouji was basically built as a military school to fight Ragyo and the life fibers, so it makes sense that she would treat students the way she did.
>Defeating three schools and taking down Nudist Beach? Man, taking down potential allies sure was productive!
Those schools had nothing to do with her plan AND Ragyo was going to take them down regardless. Also Satsuki stated why she did what she did to Nudist Beach. She has no need for useless "halfbaked allies" and that if they couldn't stand up to her forces they wouldn't stand a chance against her mother and she's right.
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>>102268909
>The twist of "lol Satsuki was plotting against her mom" not only was obvious
I don't think they ever tried to hide that.

>Having no-star students being killed and mistreated? All part of the plan!
Who said it was ever a part of her plan to do that? Why can't she just trim the useless, fatty edges off of her society?

> Defeating three schools and taking down Nudist Beach? Man, taking down potential allies sure was productive!
That one was kind of explained with "I don't have a use for weak allies" and something along the lines of how they were luring out the pockets of resistance that was left to gain her trust and favor.

>Given how ignorant Raygo was towards her
>This isn't the face of someone who's surprised they got stabbed between the tits
I don't have the pic, but you know the one.
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These trully are the only good thread about KLK, all the other treads are just circlejerks.
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>>102268764
Judging by that picture, I think you know what I meant.

Thanks for the bins, bruh.
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>>102269147
>going out of your way to kill potential allies, no matter how useless they may be
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>>102269147
>seen no students actually killed
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>>102269236

No prob. Keep a lookout for my next delivery in one of these threads!
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>>102269147
>We have seen no student actually killed.
Regardless of whether you saw it or not that shit is heavily implied. Where did all of the skeletons come from in episode 2, or inside the lava pit, or from almost any screenshot in4 when the race began.

Not that I care of course. When someone is given the chance to get instant social status and superpowers when all they have to do is make good grades and you can even do that? There was obviously no hope for them to begin with and deserve nothing less than to burn with their Marvels action figures.
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>>102269051
>Not exactly, but KLK is extremely lacking in this area of plot/character development, and when it does have development, it feels really jumpy.
I don't agree. I agree the plot and development has been spread apart quite a bit, but the character development at least never felt "jumpy" it always progressed at a nice rate I felt. I agree the plot is a jumpy.
>Being foreshadowed an episode before is still pretty shitty.
How so? They always stated that Senketsu didn't remember anything and it was obvious that Ryuuko didn't really know that much about Senketsu and didn't know about powerups. It was shown from the start the Senketsu was gathering life fibers from other students and we knew this was for something and it had always been shown that Ryuuko was uncomfortable wearing Senketsu until she got over it resulting in her power up in Episode 3. It was obvious by how he was building up power that there was something else going on and then he saw Gama's transformation and realized he could do it too. It was actually quite well foreshadowed and planned out.
>All it did was to neutralize the plot point in an unconvincing manner.
Well since the whole show has been power of friendship nonsense I don't see why it was unconvincing and it didn't neutralize it. It made Ryuuko scared of Senketsu and herself thus making her not be able to fight Nui and getting Senketsu shredded which allowed for her to make their relationship stronger.
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>>102269242
>potentially fucking up more than a decades worth of planning to make a pact with fanatic nudists who's sole purpose is to end what you are, faking, to support.

Yeah, great plan. They really seemed like a group who had their shit together and wouldn't squeal.
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>>102269242
She killed them because her mother ordered her to. If she hadn't her deception would be seen through and her mother would've destroyed NB anyways. Why not use this as a chance to make them better allies. If you notice she didn't destroy them all which proved their worth to her.
>>102269385
Wasn't dead. Those subs were wrong. He is seen in a later episode.
>>102269455
>Where did all of the skeletons come from in episode 2, or inside the lava pit, or from almost any screenshot in4 when the race began.
That was Episode 4 and was a gag episode. Trigger straight up said that the episode was director's playground and they just let him do whatever. It really has nothing to do with anything and was just a gag episode.
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>>102269385
He was alive again in the next episode.
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>>102269667
There was still a LOT of skeletons in episode 2 anon.
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>>102265612

>TTGL had any emotional impact
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>>102269725
>There was still a LOT of skeletons in episode 2 anon.
I have no idea what you're talking about in Episode 2. The only skeletons I remember were in episode 4 which I'm assuming you're talking about since you mention the race and lava pit. There are no skeletons in Episode 2 that I know of and Episode 4 is a gag episode and does not count.
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>>102269793
When Ryuuko got her shit slapped and was upside-down on the spikes she's surrounded by skeletons and what seems to be blood stains.

18:05
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>>102269923
Ok there was one. Again though we don't see Satsuki herself killing anybody and Honnouji is basically a military school times one hundred. Her same logic she had with NB was the same logic she had with her students. If they can't make it through here they are of no use to the rebellion. I'm not saying she was right to do this, but her actions are still not hypocritical especially when she's obviously got a Rossiu attitude towards her revolution.
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>>102269923
I think mostly the point is no "major"(and when I use that like that I"m implying how some of these people might be viewing this) that no major characters have had deaths, even if we consider her father a major driving force behind many of her choices he isn't a major character. He's Dr. Gero or he's like Harlocks father for an older example.
Then we have the mothers death which in my book is a major death considering we had no fucking idea what she had up her sleeve who is killed but comes back.
Some people with really harsh opinions might equate that to the pain fight in Naruto.
In my opinion a lot can happen in these last few episodes that is either gonna make or break the series and I just hope they know what they are doing.
For me right now I can't really see what direction the series is gonna take cause they've crammed so much into these first episodes but maybe for some of you guys it's easier to envision where it's gonna go currently.
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>>102270219
>Harlocks father for an older example.
I didn't mean that I meant the MC, I just started watching it.
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>>102270219
there is no way to predict, you don't know if they are going to do the obvious things or if they are going to say fuck all that and go back to campy mode at the last second
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>>102269071
Everything can't progress at breakneck speeds all the time. Yeah, some episodes feel like what you consider "filler", but they need to be there. Something like all the apostles murdered by Guts after the eclipse could be construed as filler to you because it does nothing but stroke Guts' rage cock and doesn't change anything.
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>>102269712
>>102269667
People keep saying this but can you guys prove it was him and not some other curly haired nerd?
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>>102269411
Now you sound like a salesman.
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>>102271376
>People keep saying this but can you guys prove it was him and not some other curly haired nerd?
That doesn't change the fact that those subs that said he died were wrong. He never died regardless of if that was him or not later on.
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>>102271641
So his status is MIA as far as I'm concerned. He looked pretty la kill to me though and I don't think Trigger has a problem with giving background characters some similarities.
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>>102252630
Episode 5 was amazing, movie-tier.
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>>102266980
If she really wanted to find out more about Isshin she'd grab the Nudist Beach guys by the cocks and make them sit down with her for a little bit and tell her just what the fuck the deal is. They knew him and worked with him, after all, didn't they?
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>>102271504

Nonsense. I deliver free of charge.
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>>102264037
Imagine next season with Mekaku, Mahouka, Kancolle and Jojo
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>>102273976
Hng, I'm heading to bed. I hope the fics are done soon. Godspeed and good luck though.

Goodnight, /a/.
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>>102251461
becomes complete shit after episode 5.

It starts out seemingly intelligent, then the series continues, revealing that at some point the writers ran out of good ideas, or they figured by episode 6 there would be enough fan-girls/fap-boys suckered into how "amazing" the show is just because the first few episodes had a glimmer of quality, and those fan-girls & fap-boys would accept whatever stupid crap the show threw at them and applaud almost as zealously as macfags applauded Steve Jobs.

It's also the "Family Guy" of action-anime; "omg such random much lol" crap everywhere. This show was fucking built for brainless teenagers.

Also the back Ryuko's "imma ready to fight" costume design makes no sense.
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>>102269071
filler episodes are key to pacing. If a show has "always plot, always action" all the time, it becomes stale and boring; the vast majority of media viewers need a break from plot and action to give their brains time to either rest or wrap around whatever action/plot stuff just happened. "Filler" episodes are incredibly important to pacing in any anime that isn't Dragon Ball Z
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>>102267388
>It should've been obvious that Satsuki was not the true villain or killed Ryuuko's dad from the start.
it was, but the show so heavily focused on Satsuki that the sudden introduction of a new villain, who had deus-ex-machina powers and very definitely could not fill Satsuki's shoes as a central antagonist, completely kills the tension of the show. Nui was introduced so quickly and said introduction was so underwhelming that the audience was given no time to give a shit about her being the true killer of Ryuuko's father before Nui and Ryuuko's fight. Satsuki had too much build as the main antagonist to be pushed aside like that, even if only for a little bit. At that, Nui is one of the worst attempts at "creepy villain" I have ever seen; the writers fucked up.
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>>102251461
Mako gags during episode 14.

That was the one part were she was too much.
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>>102277983
>disguising opinion as fact
>projection
>pretentious attempt at denigrating the fanbase

You should feel bad that you think like that.
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>>102277983
But it isnt random at all.. All the ''Random'' is normal in the show world.



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