God I wanna be Madoka so I can fucking punch her face so hard.
I want old Homu(s) back...
Explain this shit.
Homura is a good girl who deserves eternal salvation.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. Homu is a savior.
Homura is responsible for:
>saving Madoka, her friends, and her family
>protecting all life in the universe
>giving her friends happiness they deserve
>fixing all evil and cruel things in the world
>honoring sacrifice Madoka made and keeping her wish intact
>giving Madoka a chance to live freely
She has become love incarnate and must be praised for all eternity.
>i posted it again!!
Eternal salvation a shit. Homu salvation is best salvation.
I don't think Homu would be happy if she knew a bunch of faggots like us worship her.
I just want to watch her having sex with Madoka.
Read doujin. It will never happen in canon material.
It's love. Anything goes.
Hitomi was just in the closet all along.
Please don't get your hopes up.
>Implying it's from happiness
Which Homu would you love forever?
As a reaction image, it's probably supposed to convey happiness.
All. Any other answer is wrong.
The cutest. Other Homus don't deserve love.
This was a fucking glorious doujin.
A quick question: is it true that Sayaka is fated to go witch in every timeline? Someone on /a/ mentioned that once and I wasn't sure if that was actually ever confirmed.
Every time she contracts, yes.
Poor girl never had a chance.
There is something getting up alright
no, I think this one is a bit.. different...
Moritan pls draw more Madoporn.
I thought it was hilarious how in Homura's route in Madoka Portable, there's a way to prevent Sayaka from contracting and have her win the Kyousuke, but that automatically disqualifies you for the good ending.
queen of /a/
Where is that form? It's neither in the boorus or pixiv,
Sayaka had a life
It's 3 images combined, it's on pixiv.
Sayaka had a hard life
A goddess is greater than a queen.
I remember someone saying that in a particular timeline hitomi was the conductor in sayaka's witch labyrinth instead of kyosuke. It was supposedly from a manga.
Is this true?
You mean Klarissa?
Justice of /a/
That explains it all
Homura and Sayaka can be friends
A shame there isn't more, thanks.
They could be, but they won't be.
In very first timeline, If Madoka weren't killed by Walpurgisnacht. It would.
It's a shame, they both just want to do what's right
I'm sick of people who keep saying that Homura did nothing wrong. It's obviously that she did everything RIGHT
I'm sure they can have some kind of relationship. Not everything has to be friendly.
I wish Homu think it like you.
If anything it would be like two old friends both fighting for different ideas, and they know that only one of them will walk away and the one who walks away will carry guilt the size of the of the US debt
"Homura did everything right" is the more correct version. She did do something that can be considered wrong, but it was ultimately the right decision.
Homura just wanted to protect Madoka, now as a Sayakafag we may not see eye on somethings, but I can say that Homura's goal was just and I cannot nor will blame her for any mistakes she may have made.
I haven't watched this show.
Is Homura a rampant lesbian?
Everyone is a lesbian now for Christ sake Sayaka and Kyoko hold hands
I take it as Sayaka is best girl, right?
In my opinion yes I find Sayaka to be the best girl but people here have the tendency to disagree with here
/u/ please go, the only confirmed lesbian is Homu.
Aren't the opposing forces Madoka and Homura? Maybe Sayaka can do something to provide a third path, rather than being entirely oppositional.
I don't think you understand Anon, where not talking about sharing snacks here over tea. Where talking about hand holding here.
I don't think you understand Anon, we're not talking about sharing snacks here over tea. We're talking about hand holding here.
Shit I thought I canceled my first post, post via mobile is suffering
I can't wait to see the het argument lose more and more ground as the series progresses.
"/u/ please, the only canon lesbians are Madoka and Homura, and maybe Kyouko"
"/u/ please, Mami and Nagisa aren't lesbians"
"/u/ please, Junko is not a les--WHAT THE FUCK!? REALLY, SHAFT??"
Just go back to /u/
Imagine how fun it would be to bully Homura.
>hiding her books and watch her cry during class
>tripping her in the hallways and stepping on her glasses
>filling her locker with fake Valentines from Madoka, all of which saying "I hate you, please die."
>spreading rumors about her deviency so that Madoka gets disturbed by her
>untying her shoes in gym so she trips and makes a fool of herself
>tricking her into thinking she's meeting Madoka at the school entrance, only to drop a bucket of used mop water on her from the upper levels
>hiding her clothes after swimming classes so she has to go home in her swimsuit and get laughed at
I guess the real question is what Sayaka believes, either she'll side with one of them or she will follow her own path.
I just marathoned this series the other night. How do the movies compare are they worth a watch?
Nakazawa is the only hope
First one is more 'meh' and really just recommended for in the future when you want a rewatch. Second one adds a tiny little bit.
...did everything wrong
Homu sure fucked up this time.
>Homura-chan...why? I just wanted to be together with you forever! I didn't want any of this! How could you hurt yourself like this...don't you care about the people who love you? Don't you care about me?
It's best watched twice anyway, to understand Homu's reactions and such. They add a bit of new stuff, the 3rd movie is new material.
Mami a sexy
sexy mami is redundant
She's a pure girl, don't sexualize the Mami.
Homura pretty much destroys the universe, destroys heaven, and enslaves every single person on earth in addition to mindwiping Madoka just so she can keep Madoka all to herself. Its less about love and more about obsession, you can't call denying someone's self and forcing your will on them love, it's pure evil.
she sexualizes herself and everything around her
>third and final volume of rebellion manga translated
>"oh boy now I can finally rea-"
>No one translated the second volume yet
>translator released the third volume because he thought someone would have the second done already
Why is this allowed?
What is she doing to Nagisa?
That translation was made by tumblr, you can figure the rest out for yourself.
>Complaining about free translations
How about you just learn moon instead like all the other competent people?
>you shouldn't complain when someone gives you shit for free!
Mami will never mami your Charldick
As expected of Homutards, wanting to flaunt their degeneracy for all to see.
>"/u/ please, Mami and Nagisa aren't lesbians"
You have never had an imouto, didn't you?
Since when was rigorous /ll/ part of a normal sibling relationship?
Seems like some stuff gets worked on, then forgotten about. Or the translator burns out. Or I'm too impatient, and I need to get back to learning moon runes.
She'll cut her own path
Sayaka's loyalty to Madoka will never waver.
That's what Butcher wants you to believe.
>sexualizing best girl
>not enjoying her purity and naiveness
I hope the path of justice won't end in tragedy
Now now, when has the path of justice ever ended in tragedy? I'm sure everything will work out fine.
Mami-san looks so beautiful but the useless cheese just ruins the image.
>treacherous, selfish, psychotic, hateful bitch with no trace of empathy in her pitch black soul
Nagisa is handsome.
Agreed. I don't personally hate Nagisa but this picture would be so much better without her.
There really is a lack of Mami in wedding dress ;_;
You forgot fucking useless.
Come on, she's not that useless. She does stuff.
She keeps Mami company so she'll never be alone again. How is that useless?
>Wanting a lonely Mami-san
Gotta please Pixiv. Rated 10 stars for shipping.
forgot your picture
Literally everyone can do that, introduce a new character just to do that is fucking stupid, fuck, even Homura can solve the problems of Mami if she tries.
Sayaka might be psychotic, but she's loyal to her friends, selfless, understanding and is willing to put aside her differences to find the good parts in people and help them through tough spots. Homura only cares about herself.
That's because there's a lack of someone that would marry Mami.
The other 4 girls have previous engagements and can't spend time with Mami.
I just hope she is strong/skilled enough to dispense justice. I just want my waifu to be okay.
>Sayaka might be psychotic
not fulfilling or not expected to achieve the intended purpose or desired outcome.
Nagisa fulfills her intended purpose, ergo she is not useless.
We all do, anon.
She's coocoo for coco puffs
>this is what shippingfags believe
>loyal to her friends
You are describing someone completely opposite to Sayaka.
Well she sort of went over the edge after losing her mind, but later she came to terms with her new alternate personality and control it.
I have faith that she will see it through. If she doesn't do it, no one else will.
She displays those traits sometimes.
>asking for a simple bridal Mami
Please, let me dream.
>put aside her differences with Homura to help her reach Madoka because she acknowledged that she deserved it
>tries to help others at the cost of herself, is angry with Homura because of what she did to Madoka and her salvation, not what she did to her
>came to realize Kyouko's feelings and saw how great of a friend she was, leading to her returning those feelings
>understood Homura's deep wish for happiness and tried to convince her it's not wrong for a witch to try and make others happy
Meanwhile Homura fucked everyone over so she could protect a blank slate Madoka for all eternity.
Your dreams are mean.
S-sister can marry sister! ;_;
Maybe it won't end in total tragedy in the new Homuverse. As long as she has a reliable partner that will look after her, the worst can be avoided...probably.
Maybe you should wish for it.
The perspective of that is pretty fucking up.
Just look at that slut trying to rape Madoka, again.
Maybe, because after watching my waifu die I felt like shit for a week I almost stayed home from work.
I'm sure it'll be fine as long as Homura doesn't tempt Kyouko to the dark side and use her as a psychological weapon against Sayaka.
You're a faggot.
She'll do exactly that since she wants to see the girls twist and break like she did in those timelines. They're her playthings, nothing more.
It'll be Homu and Kyouko versus Mumi and Sayaka with Madoka in the middle
Homu will tempt Kyouko over to her side with her promise that Sayaka can continue to exist in the same world as long as they stay in this fake world.
Surely Homu wouldn't do such a thing to her friends
Oh yea I am, everyone deals with their faggotry some way, I try and use it to get away from work
>comes to Homura's barrier to mock her because she doesn't know the truth and be completely useless otherwise
>gets mad because she doesn't know what's going on, decides that Homura wants to destroy the universe
>tells Kyoko some some stupid moralfag shit and doesn't even takes off the gloves
>tries to distract Homura from her real duty, because she doesn't even want to try to understand what matters to her
What a great person Sayaka is.
What if Sayaka is tempted to the dark side? It has delicious candies and chocolate.
Purposely pretending to misunderstand character interactions isn't clever or funny. You just look like a moron.
Surely you're just acting retarded
Do you seriously think Homura has any redeeming qualities now? She's chosen the path of evil herself, nobody tricked her into it and she's actively antagonizing everyone else. She's gone insane with desire and it's turned her into a devil beyond redemption. She'll stop at nothing to get what she wants, and she'd take immense pleasure in tormenting the obstacles that kept her from her Madoka for all those timelines. She'll probably snap even more and declare her hatred for Madoka when everything collapses around her, breaking Madoka's heart even more and giving her the resolve to finish her off.
Candies and chocolate are no substitute for JUSTICE
Believing that Sayaka's character made a complete 180 in Rebellion and she is some sort of saint now is not smart either.
I'm sure Homura could wipe Sayaka out of existence if she wanted, or use the whole world as a weapon against her.
I think Kyouko will come to her own decisions, it won't be some psychological trick against Sayaka.
I'm not the guy who claimed she was, but that's no excuse for going full retard.
If Oriko won everything would have been fine.
Best girl never wins.
What if some keki is added?
Don't be silly, Homura just pushes people away because she thinks she's not worthy of having friends. It's up to Team Hope to restore her sense of self-worth.
>depending on someone
>being able to converse someone
>being able to work in a team
Is like you faggots don't ever watch the series.
She doesn't want your evil cake!
They're so happy.
Why is Homu so strange?
Because she's a gay
Shit. I realized how wrong I expresed myself after posting it.
I wanted to ask them to don't say such things since I wish for an image of a bridal Mami to "self-inserting" me as the groom.
I am not that autistic yet but it's a nice feeling regardless.
Fuck off, Kyubey. I will let you know if I turn into a little girl.
Because ai yo.
Why is water so wet? It's in her nature as a homu. She doesn't know any other way to be.
It's Madoka's fault.
Is Oriko alive or dead in the new world?
I see no reason for she to die.
If Homura could send Madoka to America for three years, I see no reason why she couldn't send Oriko to, say, the moon.
Water is wet because it's a solvent, and it's a solvent because of the polarity of its molecules.
You know the best part of Oriko? Sayaka was completely irrelevant and useless during the whole manga.
now pls explain why Homu is so weird
I wish I could have evil cake with Homu.
Kyubey doens't state that it's imposible to a boy to become a magical boy, it's just that girls are far better for their business.
So, hypothetically, if that happens and the mahou shounen fell into despair, would he become a "witch" as well?
Because she's water, if you know what I mean.
I imagine it'd take longer for a boy to fall into despair instead of just getting pissed off.
They'd probably turn into a Wizard or something.
Why is Madoka so attracted to strange? You'd think she would tell Homura to go be weird somewhere else, but she never does.
Madoka is weird.
She's too beta to tell Homura to fuck off and stop bugging her, obviously.
If Kyubey showed up here you know damn well we'd become magical girls.
>So what will it be?
>Homura: Madoka's creation?
>Or Madoka: the Incubators creation?
>Our little monsters have fun...
Well, he said that the fluctuations between hope and despair are greatest in young girls, so boys are probably less hopeful and less despairing.
"Warlock" sounds better.
Would you be willing to cut it if that means becoming a magical "girl"?
He doesn't contract every single girl, only a very small percentage with the most potential.
You are funny, anon.
She found her self worth. She embraced that deep down she's an evil bitch flowing with selfish desires, so she decides to stop fighting for everyone else and indulge in her own wishes at the cost of everyone else. In doing so she's lost her individuality as a magical girl and is now a force of evil beyond that of the despair witches and wraiths use. There's no redemption for something like that, her only purpose now is to rule the universe until she gets killed by the forces of good.
>Well, he said that the fluctuations between hope and despair are greatest in young girls
Too beta to not wear the ribbons too, I guess.
>suspicious quotation marks
Homu is beyond being killed now. She's become the opposite of Madokami.
I wanna be Madoka so she can molest me so hard and so I can be the cutest
You would be legitimate magical, can't say the same of your sex of course.
Then send her soul to hell where she can fester in her wretchedness for all eternity. She deserves no part in life or heaven after what she's done.
>Hey Mama, I met this girl named Homura-chan on my first day at school
>She doesn't seem approachable, says weird things, and looks lonely. I don't think she has any friends.
>But she smiles when I talk to her so maybe I can be her friend.
You can't send a goddess anywhere she doesn't want to go, even if she is a goddess of "evil".
She deserves to take the throne of goddess for herself and have Madoka at her side until the end of the universe.
Disgraceful, Homura worshipers are no better than the unfaithful monster they want to get violated by. They even look down on Madoka like she's nothing more than a sex object for Homura. Fitting, since that's how that bitch sees her as.
What if QB recruited dead boys to be the summons of magical girls?
Like their own familiar they can summon in battle.
Would be Anthony all day everyday
Madoka isn't a sex object you pervert. She's for loving and protecting.
You've been here for about a week working tirelessly at this. Tell us about yourself, anon. What's your motivation? Don't you ever wish you could go outside for even just one day and have a real life? Hell, you could even just watch anime.
In his defense, that's exactly what >>102259817 is implying.
Make all the other claims about homu you want, but unfaithful is just wrong.
The key to surviving Madoka threads in general is to just let the crazies be. I can't even tell who's serious and who's trolling, but in general if someone's views are pretty clearly biased and ridiculous, you don't need to point it out because no one spoke up before you. You don't want to rubberneck a thread too hard.
>you will never fuck the Clara Dolls
Mami is going to have so much fun...
>there are people in this thread right now that cannot into AI YO
Obsession is not true love, anon.
Obsession is the best form of love. If AI YO is wrong, then I don't want to be right.
>this is what homufags actually believe
Purest form of rabu.
I absolutely loved the frame where she glares at Mami when she gets ribboned before the fight, too lazy to cap it. I believe the storyboardist for the movie was a big Homu fan and you could definitely tell.
>I believe the storyboardist for the movie was a big Homu fan and you could definitely tell.
That's exactly how Urobuchi describes him, actually. He also did the storyboard for 10, so he's the go-to Homu guy.
I wonder how he felt when he had to watch Homura become the devil and throw all the good deeds she did out the window. Probably aroused.
>tfw my imouto refuses to watch Madoka because she's judging it by the cover
The Homu was certainly intense.
As expected of a Homufag.
Is it really so wrong to like Akuma Homura?
>Is it really so wrong to like Akuma Homura?
Yes, she was forced to fill the position of Akuma by the nature of the system, she really doesn't want that and she's not the real Homura, Madoka needs to save her Moemura from that demon.
What do you mean, watch? He helped create it. 'Aroused' doesn't begin to describe it. His member probably throbbed for weeks.
Not really if you give even the smallest amount of shits about any of the other characters, particularly Madoka.
I don't think any of them are gay.
Just attracted to each other as platonic lovers.
I honestly prefer Akuma Homura over Moemura. Moemura is cute and sweet, but Akuma is smugly confident in herself and finally won.
>no with Madoka
She ripped her apart, so, yes, she won.
That's not the same as being with her.
She'll be with Madoka. Neither one can resist. Madoka always reaches out to Homura, and prolonged exposure to Madoka will bring out Akuma Moemura.
She is on a way to build new relation with her.
>tfw you will never luminous with Homura
A relationship where Madoka is sicked by her actions and mannerisms instead of nurturing the relationship before where they both were special to each other.
Yeah sure, go for it.
Homura doesn't give two shits about eternal salvation.
I don't think you understand the meaning of that scene.
She'll find a way. Are we absolutely sure Madoka is incorruptible?
It doesn't mean she lost.
She is much closer now to real luminous than before.
Moemura is definitely the coolest, Madoka agrees, don't bother her about it.
>literally starcrossed lovers connected by an invisible bond that would remain forever until they could meet again
>mentally unstable girl engulfed by evil stalking and "protecting" another girl who doesn't know who she is or have any feelings for her at all, except maybe some revulsion, and their former bond is not just broken but deleted from the world
No, HomuMado is fucked.
This demon is the coolest. Moemura is all sweet and innocent.
Meomura is my favorite.
10/10 Would waifu and take back home and make babies with. But I won't because she love Madoka.
Go watch that scene again >>102265772
She works for Madokami, faggot. For a Godness´s sake. Who but a saint could be under Madoka´s will?
Madoka hasn't existed, but now she is.
Feel the difference.
They'll work it out. They have to. We just have to have faith in HomuMado.
Please tell me it will be okay.
I guess if nobody else wants her including Madoka, I'll take Akuma Homu.
Are you saying she wouldn't make a good mother?
Some sort of ethereal bitch.
>but now she is
*but now she does.
Why is grammar always so fucking terrible in Madoka threads?
She exists, but she doesn't love Homura any more, nor can she because Homura has chosen evil. No point in having someone to hug if they don't want to hug you.
Fuck you, I want her.
Sayaka is still herself, she just had the added perspective from being part of the law of cycles. She said herself that she took on the responsibility of going into Homura's barrier to see Kyouko.
Madoka is the Mama, Homura is the Papa, anon.
Good mothers don't turn into witches or devils.
It's still better for her than Madoka's heaven with all magical girls. And now she can rape her.
I don't think you understand the lack of importance of the half-luminous. It's not in the manga, which means it wasn't in Urobuchi's script, Inu Curry's designs, or the early storyboards.
It's cute you think that.
I think she would try her hardest to be a good mother but fail due to her own emotional difficulties. The child could also inherit her heart condition, which Homu would probably blame herself for. I can't see any good coming from the situation.
>rape is better than having your love returned
Once again Homutards show why they're so retarded. Besides, Homura would never rape Madoka, she lacks the willpower.
I think she'd be a good mother, as long as she has someone else to help her. I would gladly take responsibility after a good night of hot loving.
She already did.
That's the only way their relationship can play, don't know how you can say otherwise.
I don't see any rape there, just drugging and kidnapping. Although separating a goddess is probably a sin worse than rape anyway, so I guess that's fair. Good job Homura, the one time where raping Madoka would have been the better choice and you still fuck it up.
But can megucas get pregnant? What about witches and demons?
At least we'd have the Clara dolls, even if they are little shits.
Moemura would be all shy and nervous in bed, but Akuma would be aggressive and confident.
Megucas could get pregnant, sure, but the hormonal changes and stuff that accompany pregnancy would probably put them in fairly serious danger of having their soulgem corrupted.
Why doesn't Kyubey just chase sluts then?
At least we don't have to worry about that anymore.
>Finished mango and animu a while ago.
I want to finish meguka, but I wonder, what should I read/watch next?
I know of 3 (oriko, that completely new meguka, mami's/kyoko dedicated mango) spin off mangos, the videogame and the apparantly canon movies.
They're not naive enough to agree to fight.
How would she react to you confessing to her?
By kissing her.
The body functions of a magical girl are still working, even if they are "empty shells".
But as >>102268010 say, it's pretty unlike that they live up those 9 months.
Would it take 9 months though? Wouldn't the process speed up because "magic!"?
>Wouldn't the process speed up because "magic!"?
No...? Why would that happen?
Who does she kiss? Madoka?
I guess that's one way to show she's not interested.
>letting you're waifu go out and fend for herself while pregnant with your child
I would borrow some of her weapons and start bringing home grief seeds for her.
She blushes and says "I'm interested in someone else."
That's when you take her by force.
>Akuma would be aggressive and confident.
Do you even see the scene in the hallway? Akuma is the same scared little girl that Moemura was
>Oh god, please don't leave me, Madoka! don't go to the Law of Cycles again!
Akuma loses all her confidence when she's in front of the person she loves.
You'd have to become a meguca yourself and bring her a steady supply of grief seeds.
It might be better to go for a meguca who's already been a witch, though she may be biologically dead.
Homu is my second favorite.
So I'm guessing Mumi is barely a head?
She's scared of losing her Madoka, but I'd still say she's confident.
I'm a huge homufag but I also love gay hobo.
Sure is /u/ in here
Just like with Remilia, the one who cries yuri is the most yuri of all.
>mfw Homura actually became the yuri goddess
But most sluts are greedy as fuck and stupid as pig shit.
Yuri goddess is best goddess.
Moemura might panic and show restraint. AkuHomu goes straight for the touchy feel and frightens Madoka a little bit.
She is scary and insane at same time. That's different and much more dangerous. She will kill her, if this happens again.
Dunno, I was just wondering. Magic is able to do a lot of things to her bodies, even heal them at a ridiculous rate.
Of course not, don't be silly. Let the man bring home the bre... the grief seeds, for at least once.
>same scared little girl that Moemura was
keep believing that
Akuma didn't act different from the Homura we see in the series and we know how easy that Homura breaks when alone with Madoka, Akuma would be worse.
Oh man, AkuHomu does all sorts of things to me. I do hope those screws stay loose for the better part of the sequel.
That is ridiculously cute.
>Akuma didn't act different from the Homura we see in the series
Do I even need to start with this?
Seeing Homura suffer gives me the greatest pleasure I have ever felt. Just thinking about how Madoka can torture her for all eternity brings a smile to my face. Imagine Homura realizing the girl she gave everything for hated her guts, and wanted vengeance against her for her actions in Rebellion. Imagine the other girls joining in the fun and releasing all the pent up hatred they had for that rotten bitch. Even Kyubey, who normally wouldn't care about bullying, would endorse it, since he could collect vast amounts of grief from Homura's crushed soul. And, after Homura has given up the will to live, she can be teased by showing her happy dreams of everyone getting along, only to be woken up by the harsh reality that she's a failure hated by all. This sight is the most beautiful thing in the world.
I guess this is what being a Sayakafag was like for three years, huh?
Showing emotion isn't breaking. Homura and Madoka can both be confident in their feelings.
I don't understand why people say this is a mask. I'd be more inclined to say this is her true self that she never got to release before.
Yes, she gained more confidence about what she's doing and her decisions but when it comes to interact with Madoka she didn't change at all, really go see that scene and the scenes that Madoka and Homura have in the series.
Nah, the "hurr i bully homu" stuff is obviously just trying to get a rise out of people.
At least the HomuSaya shitposting was fun.
No it wasn't, fuck off.
But that's what I was doing when I called Sayaka a goofy-looking bitch countless times, so suddenly it seems like a comeuppance.
Yeah, the ballet implies this if you ask me. Of course she's also a bit loony, but there's a bit of repressed Homu within that craziness.
More like goofy looking witch.
Still, Sayakas are loved.
Well, some people actually meant it.
I disagree. She had none of these hidden faces. She was completely confident whether facing toward or away from Madoka, until Madokami started to resurface. Even then, she didn't break down and/or need reassurance. She stands firmly for what she believes in just like Madoka does. Both girls do not need to lean on each other any more. That's what Rebellion achieves imo.
more like homo
GIRLS CAN LOVE GIRLS
NOOO WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHY DID YOU REPLY
The main difference now is that Homura has cut off everything she cared about from her life. Even though it's finally right in front of her, she has no way to get it again. In addition, her powers are turning her nutty, whereas Madoka's powers come from her newfound hope and are so strong because she'll never stop believing in herself and others. One is self-destructive, the other empowers the self.
>she didn't break down
We saw the same scene? She was crying and then went to jump off a cliff.
And everything else she was already doing it as Homura, the only thing that change is that she don't have hidden faces, I guess.
>the face of near-panic as she hears a rustle in the grass
I don't think that was panic. It looked more like irrational hope that it was Madoka. As it turned out, it wasn't.
Either way she ain't exactly a calm sort of person.
I don't think her power will corrupt her. If anything, it's the other way around. Homu is the corrupting influence. She turned love into obsession.
Still, Homulove is best love.
Aren't those tears of nostalgia like Sayaka had? "I never thought I'd see this sight again."
Nothing can make you listen to reason as far as the post-credits are concerned, if the musical motif, dancing, defeated QB, and the creators' words that the ending is happy for Homura aren't enough to convince you. So, let's not even go there, seeing you're objectively wrong but still delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
No, they can't, bitch shut up.
Are you keen to the point you're replying against, anon? Homura values the ego self and its desires. She's the 'shigan' to Madoka's 'higan'.
If you think the words of Gen "Butcher" Urobuchi mean anything about whether the ending is happy or not, then you are an idiot.
>you're objectively wrong
Yeah, you are an idiot.
>you're objectively wrong
No, it's pretty clear that the ending is Homura feeling pretty fucking disturbed at what she had to do and upset she lost the love of her life presumably forever, then Kyubey shows up and she reminds herself that for Madoka's happiness and safety, an eternity of loneliness and misery is an acceptable price, so she dances with her Dark Orb over Kyubey's beat up body as a testament that she finally won. She's accepting the price of her victory even if it's a heavy, sad one.
At least she only got butchered inside and she's not dead.
Great refutation of all of the points posited against you, anon.
Word of God shouldn't be merited on its own in place of evidence from the material, but it's very effective if used humbly as support for canon events.
>upset she lost the love of her life presumably forever
>"Didn't I say that I wouldn't let you go?"
>Madoka's happiness and safety, an eternity of loneliness and misery is an acceptable price
>missing the entire point of pic related
>She's accepting the price of her victory even if it's a heavy, sad one
>Ignoring the fact that Homura isn't finished just yet because the night is still half-eaten.
I don't think that Homura is consciously aware of what she (could have) lost, though. Being together romantically with Madoka is a happiness that she never dared to admit to herself, even though she obviously wants it. So it's more like Homura feels like she's lost something dreadfully important but doesn't understand what it was.
I thought the ending was quite reminiscent of Urobuchi's pre-F/Z cathartic endings.
>Homura isn't finished just yet because the night is still half-eaten.
Why is this used as an argument for the ending being happy or a good thing? It could swing either way.
Also, you know posting a manga page and saying "this supports my point" doesn't count for much when you don't actually expand on what your point is. How do you expect someone to argue against you when you're being so vague?
>No axe meguca
This always bothered me.
Homura is humming it in the uncut movie scene, and saying it herself in the manga, both times while grinning ear-to-ear like she's reaaaally got something to be happy about. So, at least for Homura's part, she's optimistic about the ending.
I think she understands that she can't be with Madoka, at least not in the same way that before, that was the point of the half-Luminous.
I think I'll have to see exactly how the cut scene is done before drawing any conclusions based on it. And the manga is just Hanokage's interpretation of the movie, you realize?
But she was never "with" Madoka in that way in the first place, except very briefly before the mercy killing and in the naked space hug.
>I want to fuck Moemura as Madoka watches.
They had some fun magical girl times in the first few timelines.
Hitomi's power will be the tummy punch.
I wish I got an aggressive Madoka hug.
Don't be so obtuse. The movie spent a few minutes on it and the manga gave it over ten pages. I don't see how you can overlook it--the manga page is just meant to jog your memory.
>"Homura-chan, didn't I tell you it's no good to be alone?"
The cut portion, I think he means, is simply Homura humming along to the tune of 'Mada dame yo' as she dances (Chiwa Saito talked about this), rather than being silent--the idea being that she's personally aware of the motif rather than it being expressed indifferently.
>this is what it's like to be loved? I can dig it
There's nothing vague about it. Homura was cool with falling prey to loneliness and misery for all of eternity, right. But then Madoka shows up and convinces her to be hopeful for her own future.
Rebellion seemed to really lay into the concept of their fated relationship with Madoka's "I feel like we were always meant to be like this" or whatever her line was after the month-timeskip that sounded real Kaworu-like.
Madoka keeping the ribbons on in the ending really implies that for me, too. If it was a random girl rather than Homura, you'd think Madoka would be like, "did I just get molested?" and feel totally uncomfortable with the notion of wearing ribbons that her assaulter forced on her.
I'm simply saying you should elucidate an actual argument rather than just posting a scene and saying "duh". That's how misunderstandings happen.
But the future Madoka is talking about is not the future Homura is making for herself. They're two very different things.
Yeah, Madoka is drawn to Homura despite her weirdness, so they will probably get a happy ending. In fact, I could see human Madoka falling more explicitly for Homura in a sequel than she did in any past timeline, due to the way that Homura approached her.
Madoka will always be there for Homura, no matter how far into the depths of hell Homura casts herself. If there's anyone who can bring Homura back to the light, it's her.
>You've shown me how important my friends and family are to me, Homura-chan. I was wrong, it does get lonely when you can't speak to them any more. But, Homura-chan, don't you think being all alone with the ability to talk to your loved ones is much worse? I would never want that for myself or you.
Believe in her.
There's always hope with a Madoka around.
Homura just needs bigger weapons.
You sucks at writing.
Moemura is dead, anon.
How anyone can see the two as anything but mutually pure, strong-willed, and compassionate is beyond me. Madoka and Homura did nothing wrong.
The manga is Hanokage's interpretation of Urobuchi's screenplay and Inu Curry's designs, just like the anime is SHAFT's interpretation. I've never seen anyone make a case against the veracity of the manga as an equally credible source as the anime.
>just like the anime is SHAFT's interpretation.
You can't be this dumb.
>not the embodiment of self-service
She doesn't even really love Madoka, she's just obsessed with keeping her safe. She misinterprets her greed as love because she's never really felt love before and she's full of despair.
This is madness.
>Finished Madoka a few days ago
Anyone else saw Sayaka's deathflag throughout the whole show?
She does too love Madoka. She's just a bit obsessive about it.
No, anon, just you, aren't you special?
>This time, the first half of the story takes place in a very odd little world.
>Urobuchi: It’s an idealized world that Homura dreamed up. Deep in her psyche, Homura probably wanted to do all this.
>So, she wanted to join forces with the other magical girls and fight enemies together with them?
>Urobuchi: Everyone was called into the barrier because she wanted to “play” like that.
>So what are the Nightmares?
>Urobuchi: When you take the lid off that box, they’re just made-up obstacles that Homura created for the magical girls to fight. Probably due to Homura’s wistful thinking that it’d be great if only magical girls got to fight something like these instead of witches.
We see Hommando jaded by the countless timelines, yes. She doesn't lack compassion--she just tries to shed it within the time loops as she learns through experience that it doesn't pay off to trust the others.
I don't even know how to respond to this. Just...what?
None of them are confirmed lesbians. The shows never goes into detail about their sexualities and only presents them are friends.
Madness? This is AI YO!
>only presents them are friends
>more passionate than any hope, deeper than any despair, this is the height of all human emotion...! It's friendship!
Friendship isn't an emotion. I think.
No, it's love. Friends can love each other.
Will they have to fuck on screen for you to see the obvious?
But that's precisely how the production process went. Urobuchi and Ume-tentei weren't involved with any of the animation work. Obviously you can make the case that SHAFT's interpretation holds the most canonicity, but it's not as if Gen oversaw the animation.
Arguing that the manga doesn't hold water is like arguing that the movie trilogy isn't canon. They all tell the same story. Of course, you know this, which is why you can't rebut with anything other than the old 'greentext and ad hominem' combo.
What the? Homura said it at the end of Rebellion that she did everything for Madoka out of love. Stop denying. She cleary loves Madoka. That doesn't have to do with she wanting to scissor the fuck out of her or anything. But she loves Madoka, that's a fact so she is actually confirmed lesbian.
The manga is shit.
I don't like picking sides within Madoka threads because the characters are, for the intents and purposes of the story, not sexual.
But it's not like I can stop this argument once it's started (no one ever can), so I'll just post MadoHomu.
The anime itself IS the product. Urobuchi, Shinbo, Inu Curry, the animation staff, everyone put work into it. When we're arguing about the story, we do so in reference to the anime, not the script.
Not sexual, but Homura can still love Madoka without any lewd thoughts.
Of course she loves Madoka. But loving someone of the same gender doesn't make you gay.
Then what does?
It's love-friendship-special-something. Also yuri, because it's cute.
So this image isn't canon, because it's not from the TV Series that the entire staff collaborated on, right?
Homura hates herself because she sexualizes her only friend.
Maybe she could, if she wasn't a pervert.
>forces the person she loves to live a hollow life void of any of the experiences that made her who she was
>keeps on her ass to make sure she doesn't transform into a goddess again
>reshapes the whole world so it keeps her from remembering what she did
>all on top of the fact that she shat on Madoka's love to begin with
Homura's "love" is pure obsession and greed. Homura is incapable of feeling anything for anothe rperson outside of their use to her, in this case Madoka's use is to give her satisfaction that she isn't a total failure. In truth, it's her greatest failure of all because of what she destroyed.
She's not and she has never been stated in anything canon as such.
Stuff like that is the cancer of the fanbase.
It's AI, yo.
...I'm pretty sure the movies had the same staff as the TV series. Not sure what you're going for here.
Yes, and the product shows an optimistic Homura in the ending. That's the original point of this quote chain. The manga is simply brought up as supplement to that end. The primary source of evidence still stands and all you're doing is trying to discredit circumstantial evidence without addressing the main point.
There's never anything sexual implied by Homu's "love", but do you fucks seriously think if Madoka wanted to have sex with Homu she would refuse?
Of course not.
Maybe she hates herself and doesn't think she's worthy of lewding Madoka.
You're opening an entirely new can of worms anon, come on.
Homura was too shy to even take a bath with Madoka.
Not that your weird forced scenario means anything at all, but yeah she'd probably say no.
Now that's delusional.
She would think that she's manipulating Madoka unconsciously and would hate herself even more for it.
This is a really bad argument. Why would they skip all of the other steps in their relationship and go straight to home base? At least be sensible and put forth a scenario like "what would Homura do if Madoka confessed."
She thinks she's not worthy of her at all. Besides, why do you think she'd say yes? Why would Madoka even say something like that? Your scenario is stupid as shit.
Their ending in The Battle Pentagram. Of course, that was all Homura's dream, but there's nothing to suggest that her dream was off in its characterization of everyone involved.
One point at a time anon. My point is simply that the manga is not a source of evidence. It's the same situation with the guys on the train that Sayaka may or may not have killed. It was intentionally left ambiguous in the anime, and heavily implied that she did kill them in the manga. It's still ambiguous, because the manga is just one guy's interpretation. It's not "canon", if you will.
As for the main point, again, I am very hesitant to accept hearsay about cut scenes as evidence. If Mada Dame Yo is indeed included in the BD, then we can talk.
It's called Homu Base for a reason anon.
>but there's nothing to suggest that her dream was off in its characterization of everyone involved.
No, dude, just no.
Fuck you. I wouldn't wish a read of that doujin on my worst enemy.
What? Is a pretty good doujin, what are you talking?
Madoka would have molested her. Or at the very least, run her hands through Homura's amazing hair.
Oh yeah! I didn't think of it like that, but you've convinced me.
Why? It's really not that bad at all
>throw all the good deeds she did out the window
What good deeds?
She always keep preventing Madoka from Magical thing and she success it in Rebellion. Power of Ai Yo is also comes from those timeloop that she keep repeating too
So those "Good deeds" you refer to had suport her to success what she wish for in the end of Rebellion.
Whether or not Sayaka killed them is a minor point that doesn't affect her characterization at all, which is why it's cool to leave it ambiguous. That's the thing--the manga doesn't conflict with the anime in any substantial way.
Don't include Mami in your sick lesbianistic shit.
Ribbon rapist is the one who starts all lesbian rape
Holy shit, you guys have terrible taste. That doujin is abysmal.
I'm thinking of the right doujin, aren't I? Homerun-chan has to blow her own leg off and her arm shatters in the cold of deep space and other random points of suffering that just serve to kick her while she's down. I mean, I like it in a sort of sick way, but I don't want to.
Mami is the one who started the yurifest. Do you even Ayanero?
Not loved by jealous Homuras.
>Everything about it is shit, I like it because it's edgy
But the idea of her being "optimistic" with the ending is a pretty major one which is not fully supported in the movie itself. The argument can be made - and has been made quite a lot in the months since the movie - that she is, in fact, depressed and feels isolated from Madoka.
I don't know if you're the same guy who keeps trying to pass along the idea that this doujinshi is worse than the one where Madoka is raped and beaten for forty days or so. But that's really not the case, nor is there anything bad or controversial at all in this story for the most part. It's just another typical doujinshi, although they did split it up into half sex and half plot which gives it a little more interest than those stories that are just porn.
I think the index case was O.L.'s night with Mami.
I'll assume you're being sarcastic, but seriously, that shit was way off in characterization, you just have to see Sayaka NTR'd Madoka with Homura, Mami inviting a Madoka in a date or Madoka directly saying she love Sayaka, even the online game has better characterization.
>Madoka is raped and beaten for forty days or so
I don't like this. I don't like this at all. I never want to see this.
It's not suffering for the sake of it, she battles Walpugis and actually does better than normal even if she nearly gives up once. She sacrifices a foot but given her power it's not a huge loss if she can still win, and Madokami bails her ass out at the end. She was about to lose hope before she remembered Madoka once more, and gave it everything she had at the end, the sacrifice play was a symbol of her determination rather than just "Suffering to show how sick and lonesome it is".
Holy fucking shit, I need to play that one too one day. Please, we have to bring them to make a localized version of the game.
Why isn't there one anyway? I mean Madoka Magica prints money here in the west too. The Germans even have their own dub. Why don't they release the fucking game in English already???
The PSP game has been out for years and it's still not localized. I wouldn't hold your breath.
Sounds absolutely disgusting.
She just ties people so they won't leave her. If Homura finds it arousing is her problem.
I would rather die than ruining a show for my dick... again.
But it wasn't THAT popular back then and the PSP was that really alive either. It's been dead for years. PS Vita is fresh though and could need some neat games. I'd definitely buy two copies of the game. Let's start some petition or something.
The only reason you're impressed by it is because it has a story. It's shit.
Those points are somehow supposed to counter the idea of optimism? Homura's turning point occurs because she learns to hold even her pain and suffering dear to her. She doesn't lament her despair, nor does she move on from it. She embraces it.
i-it's not arousing at all! Mami is just a pervert who likes tying up girls.
If someone is trying to force the idea that some run of the mill porn with plot is worse than that shit then they are just plain wrong, since that's generally the limit for Madoka doujinshi.
Still the one about being raped and beaten is an odd story in itself, since it's partially based on a true story I believe, kind of like Concrete Girl but with Madoka characters. It's a very terrible sort of story, and a terrible sort of doujin.
The one with Madoka getting beaten is bad, but don't confuse that as having anything to do with the one where Homura blasts Walpugis into space with a missile that originally sparked controversy in this thread. There really is nothing even that bad or similar in any respect in that story compared to the previous one, the way people latch onto it as the worst doujinshi ever that they wouldn't wish on their worst enemies is just strange.
Am I crazy, or was the online game's script overseen by Urobuchi?
I don't know, I really would like to know who wrote the story, shit was pretty fucking good.
Don't fool yourslef, of course it is.
I wouldn't mind it at all.
Yes, I find the half-luminous very much in counter to the idea of optimism. And embracing despair isn't exactly the same as being happy. It just means that she draws strength from it.
>If someone is trying to force the idea that some run of the mill porn with plot is worse than that shit then they are just plain wrong, since that's generally the limit for Madoka doujinshi.
Pretty much. It's just a standard affair shit doujin but ohhh this one is 80 pages and has a story. Wow, it's sooooo good.
That read a bit confusing. So is the one with Madoka getting beaten up the worst doujinshi or the one with Walpurgisnacht getting blasted into space? Or another one? I iz confus.
You aren't really giving much of a reason why you think it's shit that no one should read here. At the moment all your statement really garners to is "I don't like it" rather than it actually being bad.
I would prefer being homuhomued, but that would also be acceptable
Madoka getting beaten and raped is bad, the one where Homura fights Walpugis is interesting albeit still typical.
If it's the same of last time, he just doesn't like it because Madoka is a boy and is impure.
No no, he's different from me! I just don't want people to read it because it's mean to Homuru.
They're two totally different doujin. They're both shit and you should do yourself a favor and void them at all costs.
Everything about it is just fucking run of standard affair garbage for a doujin. Typical poor writing, dialogue (could be the fault of the translator I'll give you that), pretty much no subsistence, pretentious shit trying too hard to be dark like the series but it doesn't really come off a sincere or purposeful. It's just fucking edgy to attract attention of garbage eaters like you. The literal only good thing about it is the art. Other than that it's painfully bland. Fucking shit.
Just read them, faggot.
I happen to like her resolve in the story; she nearly gives up at one point, but she pulls through and gives it everything in the end. She suffers a bit because of that, but nothing great is gained without at least a bit of pain. Because of what she went through Madokami came down for her in the end and saved her from falling, or maybe Madoka contracted once more to save Homura judging by what happened in the last few pages.
I guess if I write some edgy shit with good art and porn I can make a bunch of money too.
>promoting and popularizing shit
>pretentious shit trying too hard to be dark like the series
You people literally eat shit and call it five star restaurant food.
>Typical poor writing, dialogue (could be the fault of the translator I'll give you that),
it's not translated, which when you start off with a point like that I have to think you don't know what you're talking about when the next two points rely on that one.
What the fuck am I suppose to do now?
Take up a hobby, like knitting
She'll do what she always does: What she believes is just and right. Whether or not it is what will yield the best end is to be seen, but Lord Miki of Winterfell won't take the low road to get what she truly desires.
As expected of Homurafags. I can't wait until she goes full crazy and tries to kill Madoka for being an obstacle preventing her from being with Madoka. Then people will be forced to see her for the shit she is and worship a better girl.
I did that on purpose to asee if you ever jbew what you were talking about. Anyway it's fucking shit and there's nothing to it at all and if you like it you like eating.
>my edgy doujin meant to appeal to lowbrow edgy teens soooo good
I think I would remember literally eating shit and calling it five star restaurant food.
>I did that on purpose to asee if you ever jbew what you were talking about.
Oh man, I wish I could post some smugly amused reaction image right now.
Sad panda and shit.
Symbolism is just that, though. Half-Luminous represents Homura's unfulfilled true desires, if her witching scene was any indication, yes. But what isn't optimistic about that?
Homura recognizes her unfulfilled desires, but there's nothing within the ending that suggests she's content with leaving them at that.
Enjoying shitty doujin is one thing. Trying to call them good is something else entirely that only deluded easily impressed retards like >>102278760 would do.
They already responded to your shit >>102272988 It can go both ways, which is why is a fucking open ended.
You're kind of blowing my mind here. You're basically admitting that the ending isn't happy, but it's okay because maybe it'll get fixed in the future? That doesn't exactly negate what I'm saying, now does it?
>I'm right about everything and I don't need to explain myself because I'm correct and I know it.
>Q: Could you tell us the dialogue that impressed you most and the reason?
>Takahiro Kishida – Character Design: “I, am really stupid.” I think if more people in the world could think like that the world will be more peaceful.
Looks like someone didn't learn anything from the themes of the series. It's cool to be confident, but remove your bigotry and at least show others' opinions the respect they deserve. We're people too.
You still haven't answered why is shit but sure whatever you say.
>there will never be another anime as epic as Madoka
You sound like such a fucking faggot.
It's fucking terrible. Just get over it. Your lowbrow terribly written doujin with porn and okay art is nothing special at all.
Homura herself is the one who intends to do something about it though. She may not like where she is, but by overcoming the obstacles remaining in her way, she can become happy. That's her optimism. That's her forward way of life.
>Homura herself is the one who intends to do something about it though
And that may end in complete disaster and killing everyone, what's your fucking point?
You know it's not translated, you admitted you can't read it, so any justifications towards "It's just edgy try-hard bullshit with no real substance that just wants to get off on being edgy" fall a bit flat here.
I'm sure she'll make things worse. She always has.
Damn that second one is pretty hardcore.
I liked it
And your "I like it because it's porn an longer story than most doujin" falls flat too you literal shit eater. I bet you like Sakura Trick.
Nice false dichotomy. I find nothing remarkable about Takotsuboya's stories, I simply bring up Sayaka's character arc because I detest the condescending, self-righteous tone that you're taking. "It's shit because it's shit! If you were less retarded you would understand!" You can take that way of thinking and shove it up your ass.
What's the best Madoka doujin?
I thought it was terrible, the K-ON one was much better. It did give me an unexpected laugh when Madoka had firecarckers shoved up her cunt though.
In conclusion, you agree that the ending is happy for Homura. Thanks for the talk guys.
The 5 chapters of "I love you" ones in terms of H imo. But I'm a faggot.
Are you trying to argue that the ending is "happy" or "optimistic"? They are clearly two very different things. My main point is just that it isn't happy. And as I've already said many times, the idea of her being optimistic isn't fully supported by the movie.
Anything by Momoya Chika
Fuck off you shit eater. You have terrible taste.
>i like lowbrow poorly written edgy shit from talentless hacks
How can you like that? All his stories are the same.
Yes, and they're all great.
Care to expand on the logic of that one a little bit?
TDS is better.
If your main point doesn't factor in that it's a happy ending for Homura, I guess you could possibly think that, ignoring that all of the other characters are laughing and playing in the end... actually, I'm not sure where your main point comes from.
What do the other characters have to do with it? My main point is that it's not a happy ending for Homura because she's separated from Madoka. That's it. Not complicated.
Anything by Tama ii
Watch "Mama's Way of Life" in Episode 3, and then "What it Means to Err" in Episode 6. The dots pretty much connect themselves after that.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
She's not separated from Madoka though. "Didn't I say I would never let you go?" is her own line during AI YO, and she's in the same classroom as Madoka in the ending. She even asks Sayaka to get along with her for Madoka's sake, and gives Madoka the ribbons, which Madoka keep on her person.
Given all of these explicit events, your response is, "But, half Luminous!"
Pray tell, exactly what do you proclaim is meant by that imagery, considering that Madoka and Homura will be merely two meters away from each other for eight hours a day, six days a week?
I didn't like the K-on one, but maybe that's because I don't like K-on characters in general.
If I don't like the characters involved, it's hard to feel excited about it. I do like Madoka and Homura..
>your response is, "But, half Luminous!"
Do you really don't understand the point of that scene? They will not be together because Homura thinks they can't be together, she believes that be separate from Madoka is a fair price to pay for what she did, what Madoka says is irrelevant.
It's simple. Remember in episode eleven, when Homura said that with each timeline, her and Madoka drifted farther apart, and now her feelings don't reach anymore? It was a source of great distress for her, as you may recall. Throughout the series timeline, Homura had plenty of opportunities to be close to Madoka, but emotionally, they can never be as close as they were in the early timelines. Well, the ending of Rebellion is like the dire half-dragon version of that.
Why, what do you think it means?
Happiness itself isn't the finish line. It's the euphoria that arises from crossing that line. Homura feels like her lungs are stabbed every time she takes a deep breath. Her legs seem heavy like she's wearing cinder blocks on her feet. Her entire body is crying for her to stop running.
But she won't. She's not a frail, bed-ridden, confused little girl anymore.
That's all very well and good, but I feel obligated to point out that we're talking about the ending of Rebellion here, not the ending of some speculative sequel to Rebellion. "It might get better" is not the same as "it's a happy ending".
That's what the old her thought. The new her recognizes the discrepancy and seeks to correct it. "Not just yet. The night is still half-eaten. Not just yet."
You summed it up for me.
>You summed it up for me.
Then what, exactly, are you disagreeing with me on? Homura is distanced from Madoka. This is A Bad Thing.
I wish people would stop using scenes that we still don't know how they play to support their shit.
You two speak like this is where the curtain closes on the story. It's not. This is simply a new beginning.
This is where having watching Episode 6 and its scene with Junko would have helped you, anon.
That doesn't change that Rebellion has a bad ending, just like doesn't change that the series has a good ending.
No anon, I am simply saying that Rebellion's ending is not a happy one. Nothing more or less. The idea that the story isn't over doesn't contradict that.
If you say "will to power" again I'm going to throw a legitimate temper tantrum.
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
Right, that's why the man who wrote the story calls it a happy ending for Homura, because it's not a happy ending for her.
Gott ist tot.
You know the kind of sick person that Gen is? His opinion about "happiness" means shit.
>ctrl+f "will to power"
I can only assume you are having a giggle.
God is sleeping. And she's not going to be happy with Little Miss Nietzsche when she wakes up.
Look, I could tell where he was going.
I'm quite ignorant to what you're trying to imply, actually.
Everything by Ayanero Taicho.
>Little Miss Nietzsche
That's really cute. I hope that "will to power" thing works out just for the sake of turning Nietzsche into moe.
We really need more Ayanero stuff.
Cue Madokami tapping her foot while pouting on the other side of the sealed window.
>And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
I like this one.
>“The thought of suicide is a great source of comfort; with it a calm passage is to be made across many a bad night.”
Rebellion is certainly a happier ending than the series.
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
Actually, in retrospect, I'd have to agree, because we know that Homura can't be happy left on Earth with Madoka off being a goddess. But, the point of Rebellion wasn't to make Homura happy, it was (as Homura sees it) to make Madoka happy. And I still don't think that that's enough to make Homura truly happy.
It's happy and yet, not so happy. But within that unhappiness is the hope of happiness.
...So, the same as the series end, then.
Something like that.
Yeah, what I don't like is the idea of comparing the series ending to Rebellion's ending, as if they oppose each other.
They're both part of the same series, with the same themes. In either case, if someone tells me it's wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every time.
That's why Homura's ending is happy.
Incorrect, this is truth and fact. It is, at least, a temporarily superior ending.
Yeah, probably, but she has already done everything else and experienced every other option. This is the answer she found, and I think she's happy with the path she's chosen.
In a sense, but the series promised good things to come while Rebellion promises that everything will go to shit.
She hasn't actually TRIED going to yuri valhalla and chilling out there for a little while. Maybe she'd like it if she gave it a chance.
>Incorrect, this is truth and fact. It is, at least, a temporarily superior ending.
Your credibility = out the window
This is flawless logic. brb guys, goin to gensokyo.
He's not me, the anon who just spent all that time arguing for the happy ending, by the way. I'm cool with interpretations being just that. I'm just going to defend mine 100%.
The writer agrees with me. You are objectively wrong, you cannot say this is a bad ending.
This is not my opinion, this is what we actually see, and it's confirmed by the writer.
You know, I always forget that threads can continue in the archive. Have I been missing much?
I see that you're still having a giggle.
Not usually. Sometimes if there's a really intense argument and the participants are both super autists it'll continue into the archive.
Is the heart that wished for such a world so sinful that their happiness can be called a giggle?
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
If you want to call Rebellion a bad ending, then you have to call the series a bad ending. If you want to be pessimistic, I'm sure everything can be terrible.
For Homura, yeah, it was. It's not so much about being pessimistic as simply stating that "it might all work out okay" is not sufficient grounds for calling something a happy ending.
No, Madoka was separated from her family. Sayaka and Kyouko are separated. Series ending is a terrible one in comparison to Rebellion.
As shown in the guidebook, we can no longer be optimistic about what Madoka has to be as the law of cycles. It's not a yuri heaven, it's a responsibility forced upon her.
Anyway, it seems like nothing is ever a happy ending for you. Obvious things can still be improved, but this is the best ending we got so far.
I'm not disagreeing with you when you say the series ending was bad, I don't see what you're going for here.
You tried to suggest it was only bad for Homura. I don't agree that either is bad, but you can certainly portray them as bad if you're pessimistic.