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Guide (Start here):
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA/edit

Reading List:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Agk2IH0ZXhn7dDNmSW1BVFU5dVgyOHkzWjU4b2l2dkE
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Pastebin
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Previous Thread:
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/102123131/
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Someone in the last thread mentioned Slime Forest Adventure. Would you recommend it?
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日本は日本人だけの国じゃない
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>>102243414
No, it is shit.
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So, I have this song lyric in romaji, but I don’t know all of the words in it, so I’m not sure I'm writing it right. Could you guys help?
amayakasa re te kachito ta nanbaーwan da ta
甘やかされて勝ち取ナンバーワンだた.

Is this correct?
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>>102243944
It's probably
「甘やかされて勝ち取ったナンバーワンだった」
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>>102244034
>甘やかされて勝ち取ったナンバーワンだった
Back to Tae Kim and anki I go. Thanks anon.
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Looking for a simpleish VN that has an anime counterpart, so I can watch the anime first to get invested in the story. Multiple recommendations are appreciated, if anon knows any.
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do you guys have recommended decks for anki?
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>>102246031
https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/japanese

And I'm using this one specifically
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/3629073626
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>>102243864
What do you mean? How is it shit?
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Would reading Oomuro-ke raws be as easy and fun as I think it would be? I'm around N5 level.
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>learning japanese

I bet you faggots like anime and manga as well
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>>102246906
You're a real wit, you know that? Your parents must be proud.
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>>102244590
>simpleish
Can't really say simple, but otherwise I'd say try White Album 2 if you're into that genre. The anime only adapted introduction chapter so far. The VN has two other parts as well, closing chapter and coda, as well as some side routes.
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>>102248146
So, it's a direct sequel? Is that to say the prior material is subpar?

>if you're into that genre
I'll take what I can get at this point. I'd love something like Phantom, but that's a little over my level.
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Anyone got a good place to order books, like light novels and shit, from Japan?

I used to use bk1, which had pretty much everything and cheap shipping. But now they've merged with some other store, and you need to have an address in Japan to order from them, even though they technically support overseas shipping.
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>>102246906
>shitposting

I bet you like browsing the internet as well, faggot
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>>102248669
You did something wrong then. I could take over my old account and it still works fine with an overseas address.
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>>102243755
Oh! What are you doing here, Mr. HATOYAMA?
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Are we allowed to ask for small translations and differences between similar phrases or does that count as spoonfeeding?
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>>102249993
Only if what you're asking is painfully easy, or otherwise indicates a general lack of effort on your part.
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>>102249732
Oh, turns out I didn't migrate over my info from my previous account.

That's weird, though, are you supposed to only be allowed to order internationally if you had a bk1 account?
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>>102250134
Dunno. I think you can always ship internationally but need to provide a Japanese "main address" when registering. Maybe so they can get a hold on you in case the payment fails or maybe the honto part of the fusion just hates foreigners.

Anyway migrating a bk1 account circumvents this by allowing your overseas address as main one.
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油ハム輪姦
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>>102248669
Amazon recently decreased their international shipping charges by a ton. It used to be 2500 yen per shipment.
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ゆく秋の
土に収まる
かわずかな
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Anyone know of a good resource for delinquent speech? Common contractions, connotations and the like? I'd really appreciate it. てめえら答えろう こっら!
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漢字はやめて平假名を使ひませう
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>>102251818
うせぇよこのクソ野郎ぅ
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>>102251947
その俚言は何?
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I recently got the Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar and have just been inputting all the sentences from that into Anki recently in a separate deck, cross-referencing various similar grammar points. It's been a WONDERFUL resource for helping me finally tell the differences between various similar grammar points.

That said, when will speaking get better? So many grammar points that I "know" when I see it written or hear it said, but when I have to say sentences, I wound up using wrong ones by accident (thanks to the dictionary anki cards I've been using recently, I realize my mistake almost immediately, but still make it), forgetting ones I know, and sounding broken as fuck.
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Anki Newbie here.

What's the differnce between 何 and どう and when should I use either of them?
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>>102248669
It's nice having a local Japanese used books store.

Lots of cheap manga for £1-2 each.
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>doing anki reps
>acing them like crazy
>they get pushed further and further back as time goes on
>get pushed back two weeks
>always fail the card once it comes up again after two weeks of not seeing it

How do I resolve this issue?
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>>102254734
Make a separate deck with cards that need special attention, Writing it down repeatedly on paper.
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>>102248669
I use a kindle and just get e-books off amazon.jp. I've heard of issues where amazon has requested proof of residency for customers that it suspects of not living there, so I always make sure I've got a Japanese IP address whenever I order off the site. I've personally never had any issues.
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How important is stroke order for kana? Do I need to learn it or can i just pound it in with realkana?
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>>102255347
I can't seem to get my kindle registered with amazon.co.jp, It won't show up as me having a kindle on .co.jp but will on .co.uk
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>>102255366
It helps in identifying handwriting and also in making your handwriting legible when you write quickly.
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>>102255448
I think there's an option to change whatever country your kindle is registered for under the "My Kindle" menu on their website. It'll probably ask you for a Japanese address, but you can always get a free one from tenso.com.
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>>102255347
This. It's a shame that so few books have a Kindle version though.
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>>102255757
I did it! thanks man. Now I can finally buy LNs without paying for shipping!
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>>102253692
talk to people
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>>102256570
Oh a nice feature of Japanese - > Japanese dictionary too on the kindle.
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>>102243414
>>102246249

I'm the guy who mentioned it. I personally think it's good for being able to recognize the kanji while having at least a little bit of fun. I've learned a bit over 1,000 kanji through Slime Forest Adventure alone. It teaches you through various mnemonics that go off the root of the kanji.

Examples:
大 - "big" man with arms spread out
犬 - the big man is whistling for his "dog"
明 - the sun and the moon both make "light"

Some meanings can be kind of rough and it sometimes teaches you kanji you can't really use, and the main mode doesn't teach you actual vocab alongside the kanji (there's a seperate mode for that+a lategame area for it), and I don't personally like the way it teaches vocab regardless, so I'd recommend getting that from somewhere else, or at the very least looking up and learning more about the words it teaches you before you add them to a deck.

I actually ended up buying it after finishing the free version, as I couldn't find the full one anywhere, so here it is if you decide to try it.

https://www.mediafire.com/?e6bpl7rupd9i41u
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>>102257801
>大 - "big" man with arms spread out
>犬 - the big man is whistling for his "dog"
Following this pattern, what could the mnemonic for 太 be?
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>>102257987
>太

man with a dick hanging down = thick
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>>102257987
>mnemonics
>2014
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>>102258227
>not using mnemonics

Nigga, they really help yout out, just like stroke order, but i would apply stroke order just to the difficult kanji.
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There's some kind of iTranslate Voice app out. How is it in regards to Japanese?
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>>102257987
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>>102258356
People seem to think that it makes them hardcore if they don't use mnemonics.
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>>102254734
The more you fail a card, the lower it's ease multiplier gets, which decreases the intervals accordingly. After a few failures it should end up at a value that's slow enough to remember that card
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>>102256570
until they decide you're a dirty gaijin and require address validation

>We are writing because the home country registered to your Kindle account may not match your country of residence. Due to publishing rights, the home country registered to your account must match your country of residence.

>To continue purchasing titles available for Japan, please send a copy of your valid government-issued identity card, passport, or a utility bill received within the previous 90 days to our secure fax line:
[...]
>We may restrict your home country setting if you continue to purchase from the catalog of titles for Japan without completing the verification process.
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伺う This fucking word man. I get it wrong every single damn time. I keep mixing it up with 疑う.
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>>102258854
I guess, that they think mnemonics and stroke order are just waste of time. I thought this too, but when I've started to learn the harder kanji with stroke order, it became really, really easy to remember, even after few days.
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>>102259271
Which is why you use a Japanese IP address when you make your purchases. I've bought over a dozen titles and haven't had any problems by doing it this way. Supposedly if you make 5 purchases or something close to that from a foreign IP you'll get that message. You just have to be careful about it.
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>>102257801
I'll definetly check it out. You didn't (and still don't) have any comprehension of radicals, or did you do that first?
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>>102259957

The game teaches you a bit about radicals ("this kanji is made up of these radicals", "that's actually the kanji for meat, not moon", etc.), so I can at the very least point to a kanji and usually say "it's made of the water radical and the wood radical" or whatever. I've never made a point to specifically study radicals so I'm not sure how much of a comprehension this really is.
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>>102260091
Okay, thank you very much for all the help, man.
For the sake of thread etiquette, I'll stop asking, and come back after I've done SFA and some Anki
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Is it standard for Japanese games to have subtitles? I've only got two Japanese games, JoJo and as of today Final Fantasy X. Both of which have subs on by default.

I like it since I always turn on subs when I'm playing a game. もしかして、大和魂?
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>>102260892
yeah the japanese language is so hard even natives need assistance sometimes
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How do I type Japanese with an iPod Touch?
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>>102261132
I don't know if apple products can change default keyboard to an "app" keyboard. For example: If I want to use japanese keyboard on Android, I just need to download an app and change the input settings, maybe it's the same with ipod, but as I said, I've never used an ipod, so i don't know
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>>102261132
You need to enable Japanese input in the Settings menu. Once you do this a little globe will appear in your keyboard. Tap the globe to switch IMEs.
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if [青] means green and blue then how the hell do you distinguish which one of the two someone is talking about?
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When used with a negative verb, is the difference between ほとんど and あまり that ほとんど is less frequent than あまり?
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>>102259484
Isn't it basically the same word with a different nuance? Kinda like 遭う and 会う.
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>>102261863
it doesn't
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>>102261863
You don't need to. The grass is blue in Japan.
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>>102262205
http://www.saiga-jp.com/cgi-bin/dic.cgi?m=search&sc=1&f=0&j=%E9%9D%92&g=&e=&s=&rt=0&start=1&sid=1392668686_19646

why does the dictionary say so then?
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>>102261863
It nearly always means blue. I think the only reason the dictionary says it means green is because it's equivalent to our usage of green in figurative speech, in words like greenlight, which again comes from nips calling the bottom color on traffic lights 青い.
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>>102262342
Bu I thought the grass is always greener on the other side. Was everything I've been taught a lie?
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>>102260892

Western games also have English subs...
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>>102262495
ok thanks. so i should just stick to 緑 for green right?
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>>102262519
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdb_W593w9I
Yes. Even the trees are blue in japan.
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>>102262590
Yes. Here's an idea: If you're unsure about what color a color word actually refers to, try a google image search. With something as visual as a color, an image explains much better than a dictionary translation.
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>>102263013
TN: 腐女子 means girl into male homoeroticism
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>>102263013
Is that feels guy's ex girlfriend on the left?
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>>102263013
>本当にある英語参考書の変な例文
no wonder they can't english
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すごく面白い作品だな、これ
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I haven't gotten in to grammar too deeply yet, but i would like to ask in advance.
In japanese they don't use spaces to separate words, so would like to ask: does it ever happen that you get two words in a sentence that are together and are both written in kanji?
Do you need to be able to distinguish on where 1 word ends and second one begins?
Or are kanji words always separated by katakana and hiragana characters?
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>>>102259943
Used a VPN and downloaded a bunch of free books, It will be nice to read: 我輩は猫である
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>>102263692
some kanji is written without hiragana
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>>102263793
sorry i meant hiragana "or" katakana,
Not "and"
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>>102263692

It does occasionally happen that one kanji follows the next even though they don't belong to the same word. That's just something that needs practice to figure out.
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>>102263931
k, thanks
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>>102263912
katakana is used for things like foreign words and hiragana is used for kanji
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>>102263456
sauce?
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>>102264190
Re;world.
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>>102263013
She doesn't really look like she's that into it
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>>102263770
You're in luck, it's public domain. Also if you use rikai, there's a web version so you don't have to convert.

http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000148/card789.html
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>>102264291
I really can't find shit bro
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>>102264896
My bad. It's actually from Makai Oujo Echidna ~ Aku no Shoujo ni Seigi no Shioki wo ~
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>>102265056
お兄ちゃん助けて
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>>102264190
R-10爆弾カノジョ
>typical amerikuh family
Such a good depiction, I'm starting to love this.
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>>102261567
Pretty clunky, this. Still, thanks.
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Is there a difference between 泥坊 and 泥棒?
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>>102267439
none
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>>102267439

The latter is about ten times more common.
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>>102267525
>>102267527
Ok, thanks.
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>>102267439
成程! 岡っ引きが泥棒を捕まえるんだ。
That's been bugging me for quite awhile but they've never used 泥棒.
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What does そっからかよ mean here? Rika tells me it means "from there". Does she mean "you're really from there (the ocean)" then?
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>>102268201
rika か
then rika よ
combine those three together
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>>102268201
No, its her expression of shock as to how little Ika knows.

She's explaining why Ika's invasion would not work and she assumes Ika knows what she's talking about but Ika hasn't a clue so her shock is basically "I have to explain things from there!" sort of thing.
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>>102268524
>so her shock is basically "I have to explain things from there!" sort of thing.

I see, thanks.
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why is katakana used so frequently for words that already exist in japanese?
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ankiをしたくない
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>>102268608
Because kanji don't work well in italics and their version of the underline is a different type of spoken emphasis. In quotes, it give a voice to the character beyond the usual verbal tics.
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くちあそび
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>>102268608
>>102268756
Unless you're talking plants and animals, in that case, people know what they are and they're usually these 30+ stroke monstrosities otherwise. 麒麟 蟹 蚯蚓
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guise is ず and づ the same shit?
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>>102269014
no
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>>102269014
Zu and dzu.
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>>102269014
No. It's the mutation of different sounds and they're distinct in different dialects. They just happen to sound the same in 東京弁.
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>>102268955
rikaikun shows the second kanji's first translation as "chinese unicorn"

wtf is a chinese unicorn? are they different than normal unicorns or what?
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>>102269235
>are they different than normal unicorns or what?

Naturally
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>>102269235

Calling a 麒麟 a Chinese unicorn is like calling a 竜 a Chinese dragon. It's more like an approximation.
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>>102269331
>>102269361
but those have two horns..
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>>102269483
The one on the bottle has a single horn, not that I recommend drinking macrobrew pisswater. It's refreshing and malty, but I brew my own and can never go back.
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ちんちんシュッシュッ
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>>102269187
>東京弁
Aka the only one that's important for white bois to learn
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>>102269632
おちんぽおいしい?
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日本語をしゃべった事ある?
どんな訛?できれば聞かせて
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>>102270189

できない(´;ω;`)
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>>102270189
vocaroo でお楽しみで待っております
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>>102269632
それはシュシュでしょうね
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>>102270046
Being from the south, I have an affinity for ズズ弁 and find it easier to understand than standard dialects. Also, 大阪弁 is plain better for the mere fact that no one in tokyo has a sense of humor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WGH_NZVpns
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>>102270320
俺前スレで録音したよ
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Does anyone have a good resource for reading basic stuff in hiragana? Like children stories and similar stuff. I'm almost finished learning it, but I feel I still need some practice to read it more fluently.

I know chances are there are gonna be kanjis and katakana in those texts as well, I can deal with those (and I should start learning katakana, anyway), but anything that is mostly hiragana would be fine, just for practice.
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>>102270971

https://www.erin.ne.jp/en/

Turn off the romaji subs and translation and read the kana subs as they speak.
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>>102271116
That's perfect, thanks anon!
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日本 の みにさん、 きにちわ! ニンテンドー オブ アメリカ の レジー です。
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Is there a better OCR for Android other than WWWJDIC? It keeps failing for me.
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Figured I'd ask here. Anyone mind typing this real quick?
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>>102272184
this real quick
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>>102272184
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>>102271300
>kinichiWA
lol
git gud pleb
also
>spaces
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>>102272184
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>>102272184
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>>102272371
Did the みにさん not stand out to you?
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>>102272569
Are you blind? it's clearly 曾
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http://www.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm

this shit if fucking comf, time to spend my gubment day learning some grammar
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So I'm trying to radically increase my listening and speaking abilities but I'm getting really frustrating when I miss something because I don't have all the vocab for what's being said. Should I really just ignore it because I seem to miss a lot and then it feels like I want to kill myself and I'll never learn Japanese.

I feel like it's no longer a matter of just listen more because nothing is improving. What do I do now?
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>>102273458
I like watching those on my tablet before going to bed.
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>>102273901
諦めて方がいい
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>>102274059
No, because I can read just fine, it's just anything without kanji or kana I'm just useless and need to really get up to speed when I go to Japan in 2 months.
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>>102273901
Keep trying.
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>>102274159
> I'm getting really frustrating when I miss something because I don't have all the vocab for what's being said
>don't have all the vocab

It sounds like you know what you need to work on. Write down what you heard, or memorize it in your head, and look it up later. They might even stick easier because you had to put in the extra effort to figure it out.
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>>102273901
>I'm trying to ignore the bottleneck and focus on the hardest part of the language!
Of course it isn't working.
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>>102275421
Then what should I do?
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>>102275525
Ideally, speak Japanese with people every day. Outside of that, listen more, look up every word, and fill in the gaps one step at a time.

That or just learn words from context the way you managed to acquiesce them in your native tongue.
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What level should I be to start talking to japs?
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>>102275791
When you can do this to keep them from switching to english.
http://japaneselevelup.com/six-seconds-to-prove-yourself/
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>>102275848
even easier
オーノー アイ ドント イングリッシュ
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>>102276361
>not learning french in 10 minutes a day after japanese practice to avoid this
It's so much easier to latch onto someone else's disgust for english.
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Is there anywhere I can get a list of kanji from most used to least used?
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>>102278921
Used in what? If you've done the core decks, you'd know it just doesn't work that way even with corrections.
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>>102278921
http://www.atgc.org/kanji/kanji_2500_master_table_fr.html
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>>102279520
Thanks!
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These threads have reaaally slowed down.
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I only just started about 2 weeks ago and trying to get the grammar down. Just wanted to know is there a good way to know when one word ends and another begins outside just normal Kanji? Like not knowing when は is by itself to become a topic particle or it's just part of a word. I know Kanji fixes it for the most part but if a sentence is pure kana how is one to know where to split the words?
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>>102281804
That's something that's only going to be resolved by lots of reading. There's no "trick" to it; you'll just have to practice.
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>>102281637
Maybe we should advertise out existence.
It might be shit at first but with time the wheat will be sorted from the chaff.
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>>102281637
Everyone is graduating from DJT.
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>>102282051
or dropping out
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>>102281897
Thought so. Just thought there might be some helpful clues but if there's no tricks I guess I'll just have to keep reading and work it out. Learningtoreadlikethisisabitannoyingbuti'llmakeitwork.
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>>102281637
Considering how awful the fast threads were, I think we're better off this way.
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>>102282179
Knowing lots of words helps. It's not really an issue once you really start to understand sentence structure. All the grammar cues you to where words end it's all so regular.
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I get the feeling that I'm going to get people mad, but why shouldn't I use Rosetta Stone?
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>>102282584
>Lunch in America.

But seriously, why is it that Japanese burgers are so much crazier than ours? Look at their McDonalds or Burger King menus and you'll see this shit that would make even the fattest of us quiver.
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>>102282734
I've never used it, but I'm told that it's not very good for non-european languages. It's difficult to teach languages with extremely different grammar and syntax than your native tongue without a bit of formal instruction. Japanese isn't like Spanish where the sentence structure is relatively intuitive for English speakers.
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>>102282051
>>102281962
>>102282301
To be honest, I really like it slowed down. Less of a distraction, and generally higher quality posting.
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>>102282370
Ok. Guess I'll keep working on grammar and building my vocab. Just thought people here might know of a useful tip on knowing when a split happens but guess it's just something I just have to learn to deal with. Thanks for the help.
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>>102282768
>But seriously, why is it that Japanese burgers are so much crazier than ours
That's the power of the 大和魂.
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恋愛禁止
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>>102282734
I used Rosetta Stone a long time ago and it was already shit after a few minutes of using it:
>これらはりんごです
>彼らは本をよんでいます
with these retarded stock pictures, what a waste of time.
Rosetta Stone is for people who will never be able to read native japanese materials.
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>>102282768
It's the same in Europe too.
When I was visiting Italy they had a Burger King with some ridiculous heart clogging burger available that was discontinued in the states.
Plus the venue was actually clean looking and you could order beer there as well.
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>>102283886
>HappinessCharge Precure 03
>それは… 恋愛禁止だ!
Just finished watching this that's why
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I'm sure this is probably a pretty common question.

I have been working my way through the core 2000 using Anki and have suddenly hit a point where the vocabulary becomes jarringly more difficult. Whereas previously the vocabulary I was learning related to simple things in every day life all the new vocab being introduced relates to politics, business, the economy etc. I understand that this is because the core 2000 is the most commonly used 2000 words in Japanese newspapers, but it is making study very difficult.

Words like 「政権」、「債権」、「党」、「調査」、「社長」、「処理」and 「分野」all seem well above my current level of Japanese ability. The difficulty is compounded by the influx of new Kanji (whereas previously I only knew 2 or 3 hundred.

How did you guys handle the sudden difficulty spike?

Also, how do you guys deal with new Kanji? Do you write each new Kanji down as it appears in the anki deck and then later look it up in an external source like Kanji Damage and learn it? Currently I'm not using any external Kanji sources.

Sorry for the long post, but thanks for any replies.
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>>102284411
>How did you guys handle the sudden difficulty spike?
Start reading a VN and mining vocab like your life depended on it. Or pretend that you want to watch Ghost in the Shell (SAC) raw.
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>>102284657
I can barely read Yotsubato at my current level. Jumping straight into a VN or GitS seems like a bit of a stretch.
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>>102284411
>How did you guys handle the sudden difficulty spike?
I stopped using Core decks and created my own one, filling it with words I've encountered on the internet/when reading manga, etc.
This way you learn words in context, when doing something you like to do, instead of learning 債権 and 分野 at a beginner level like an idiot.
I wish I could tell my old-self that...
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>>102284828
The pretending you want to watch GitS is a way to rationalize learning that kind of vocab.

I can't read shit either but that's been working fine for me so far, but pick a really babby-tier VN and use a hooker so you don't need to stop to search for kanji every minute.
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>>102284411
use the optimized core deck that rearranges everything better
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How do you improve recollection, as opposed to recognition? For example, I can recognize and identify a bunch of kanji when I see them, but when trying to think of it I can't visualize it. Just get more practice?
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>>102284828
>Jumping straight into a VN seems like a bit of a stretch.
Do it anyway. As long as you know grammar you can handle it.

But really, with the exception of 債権 and maybe 政権 those really are extremely common words. Remember that when you're learning a word, you're also learning readings of the associated kanji along with the word, and learning how the kanji is used. So even if you don't see 処理 for a while it might help you when you want to learn 理由. And if you know 政権 you should be reinforcing 政治 政府 権利 etc at the same time.
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>>102285228
The simple answer is to write a lot. That's what I did and it helped quite a bit. If you're still new, you'll find that over time you see the same radicals over and over, and you'll start thinking about the characters in terms of those instead of the individual strokes.

For example, 誰 is just a combination of 言 and 隹 which are both simple and common radicals.
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>>102253692
You know there's an Anki deck already for that right?
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>>102262492
There are just things you have to learn and remember. Grass is blue. Green lights are blue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_of_blue_and_green_in_various_languages#East_Asian_languages
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>>102286059
Different anon here, but I would not recommend using the DOJG Anki deck.

I went through the Basic cards myself alongside DOBJG and lost count of how many mistakes I found (that is, Anki cards where the text did not match the DOBJG entry).

That deck was not vetted properly.
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Beginner here, is this asking what I did after I got home yesterday, or asking how I got home yesterday?

昨日、家に帰って何をしましたか。
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>>102270971
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/
http://life.ou.edu/stories/

every day until you like it
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>>102286592
the first
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>>102286592
definitely not the 2nd
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Finally got around to doing Imabi. After doing Tae Kim's grammar guide and reading native material for a while, I can finally go through it properly. It's perhaps the most in-depth grammar resource out there apart from DOJG. Highly recommended.
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So learned kana and using Genki for grammar and some vocabulary. Anything else I should use? Anki seem like what most people recommend but which one should I use? Any links would be very welcome.
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>>102287384
As long as you're aware that the site owner hates your guts.
http://www.imabi.net/apps/forums/topics/show/12191095-dear-stupid-4chan-users?page=last
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>>102287880
I think it's cute this stereotype non-users have that 4chan is some place where memes get reposted 24/7 with no actual discussion ever taking place, because they have a fucking preconception and have never actually spent time here.
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Just popping in to say thanks to whoever recommended KanjiTomo to me. It's been working like a charm.
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>>102287880
I don't really care about what he thinks about 4chan, he's got a good website with lots of interesting information. I'm here to learn Japanese, not to defend some kind of anonymous cred.
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I want to say "I forgot everything over winter break." for a speech. Should I use 冬休みですべてを忘れました or 冬休みで全部を忘れました。Also, is the を required in that sentence?
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>>102289136
You couldn't say 冬休みで全部を忘れました because 全部 is an adverb, and only nouns are the direct object of a verb like that. 冬休みですべてを忘れました is grammatically correct, but I'm not sure if that's the best way to say it.
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>>102289136
What do you mean by everything?
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>>102289505
Oh. I should have added the sentence before it.

暇な時間漢字を勉強してみました。でも、冬休みですべてを忘れました。

Trying to say "I attempted to study Kanji during my free time. However, I forgot everything over winter break."

>>102289460
Ah, my bad. I thought 全部 would use を since it's Tangorin listing is similar to すべて. すべて has a "noun" listening while 全部 doesn't though. So if I were to use 全部, it would be 冬休みで全部忘れました。? Or is there an even better way to say it?
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>>102289786
暇に漢字の勉強をしていましたけど、冬休みの間全部忘れてしまいました

で is wrong for giving a time, 暇な時間 is awkward and redundant. 冬休みに would be better, but I prefer the way I phrased it above.
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>>102290141
Can you tell me why の is the particle? Also, I was taught 勉強する, but is that really the same as 勉強をする? Since my class didn't learn the まいました yet, I can't use it so I'll just stick to 忘れました。
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>>102265056
I've actually been fapping to that recently. Pretty decent.
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>>102290321
>Can you tell me why の is the particle?
Why not? What else would the particle be?

If you're talking about the second part
>冬休みの間
ふゆやすみ の あいだ
over the course of winter break
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I have a problem. I don't want to read the VNs I'm most interested in right now because I don't want to spoil them with my shit language skills. On the other hand, just reading random stuff doesn't really motivate and keep my attention. Does anyone face a similar dillema? Any good way to think about it to snap out of it?
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>>102290437
I thought it would be を. I'm still at beginner level's grammar though, so I wouldn't know if that would be a better way of phrasing it.
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そして開門も、三年の期間をもって一度閉じられた。

What's the もって here? Can someone explain it?
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>>102290583
Just go for the ones that seem the easiest of what you are interested in.

Actually, what I done was start with nukige. Find something that arouses you, should give you enough motivation. And since it is a nukige, missing some things doesn't matter too much.

My very first nukige was 妹ペット, I found it extremely easy. It even has a female narrator, so almost everything was voiced.
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>>102290779
I was always worried that I would too busy being horny to want to spend the time to decipher the text, but I'll try that, thanks.
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>>102290583
I'm bridging the gap with エロゲ. They're generally straightforward linguistically, but I still enjoy them.
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>>102290616
It would be 漢字を勉強する or 漢字の勉強をする
But 漢字の勉強 turns it into a noun phrase, so 勉強 acts as a noun rather than pairing with する to create a verb
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>>102291156
That makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
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>>102290583
not all good vns have crazy writing by romeo or masada or whoever
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>>102291481
I'm very much a beginner. I don't want to ruin a novel I look forward to reading one day by spending most of my time looking up shit.
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>>102290673
もって = 以って
representing methods, instruments, reasons, causes, certain moments, limitations, and terminations

here, the もって means termination of the period, 三年の期間

btw, is it from Shuffle! ?
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>>102291559
Well, the general advice is to read a moege, find one with art you like.
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>>102291688
Reading something that slightly interests you is better than reading something slightly easier. Most scenarioge aren't really that hard.
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>>102291789
Yeah but this guy seems to want to enjoy scenarioge to their fullest after getting better.
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>>102291851
He seems to want to enjoy the specific games he has heard of to the fullest.

There are enough scenarioge not to have to worry about that.
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>>102291633
Yes it is, I couldn't tell if they she was trying to say it was the gate was closed once for 3 years or something else, I've never ran across this before.
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>>102291980
The gate was opened 10 years ago. It was at experimental phase, so the gate was closed after three years passed.
And then, the gate was now opened again to start Shuffle!.
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>>102292389
I think I get it now so basically it's been closed for 7 years and only reopened recently. I don't know why but I really kept thinking she was trying to just specify an abstract time like"for 3 years' or "3 years ago" or something like that.

Anyway thanks for the help.
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>がこんと大きな音を立てて、[...]
Is this a typo?
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Would a proper translation for "most of my music" be 私のたいていの音楽? I looked up Tangorin examples and found たいてい to be used with の__ for "most ___," but I don't know if adding 私の to it will make it improper.
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「だいたい、チューってなによチューって!」

What does だいたい mean here? The best I can guess is that it's something akin to "besides". Second part is something like "what are you talking about, talking about kisses" or something like that? The almost infinte things -te is used for kick my ass.
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>>102293311
って is not the same as just て
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>>102284411

If you're still here, you can just suspend all the cards that are like that until later. I know they're all in step 3 of core2k.
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I realized today that Ika Musume is even easier than Yotsuba&. If you need something simple to start with, read that.
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>>102293502
Damn, I knew that but didn't realize it. So I was on the right track regarding that? What about だいたい?
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>>102293311
More of a "in the first place" or "to begin with"

"To begin with what the fuck do you mean CHUU?"
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>>102293602
Kiniro Mosaic's another option if you like cute girls being bad at english
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On Amaterasu for compound particles, it states

にも indicates a location and an additional subject at the same time (“also in the case of _”)

and it doesn't have でも listed. Would I use にも for something like 家にも勉強する。 even though I would normally say 家で勉強する。?
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>>102293715
That's along the lines of what I was thinking in the context. Thanks
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>>102293602
That would be terrible for beginners to read. They'll end up thinking that it's normal to end your sentences with デゲソ.
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>>102293801
amaterasu is shit
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女子高生の汗っかき生足に踏まれたいんですが
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>>102293311
in that case
だいたい=そもそも
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>>102293925
いや。
女子高生じゃなくて、小学生です。
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Sorry if this is a stupid question but why do they use the loan word over their own. Sometimes I see あい and sometimes I see ラプ. Is it a marketing thing (make it sound foreign) or am I missing something completely.
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>>102293548
Cheers for the tip. I might just do that.
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watashi wa nihon wa hanashi desu
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>>102290384
Her cuteness is off the charts.
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>>102292903
Use ほとんど
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>>102298378
She is a child sicko
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How do I learn to speak as an ossan?
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Does learning Nip get more "fun" once you get past the initial grinding period that is necessary for learning the basics?
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How important is stroke order? Is it mostly just "as long as it's readable"
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>>102300105
Could you really resist that outfit? I'm such a sucker for whatever you call covered arms with a bit left uncovered, arm ZR?
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>>102300662

Yes, once you can actually read stuff.
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I can read like 1000 kanji already but still have trouble differentiating ソ, ン and シ, ツ.
Doesn't help that the stroke alignment seems to be different with ever fucking font I see.
What's the trick?
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>>102300888
The trick is to hide your suffering, just as I do

ソ and ツ usually have the curved line raised higher, but some fonts just throw that out the window
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>>102300888
SHI looks up at the TSUnami crashing down. Fuck ソ and ン though.
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>>102300662
Here's my experience. Yes, it does get fun once you realize that you're able to make sense of sentences. For instance, I read a good portion of Yotsuba&! pretty early in my studies and it felt great. The problem for me was that my vocab was still weak, and reading anything intermediate was a pain in the ass and made me realize how little I actually knew, which ended up outweighing the fun. Eventually I sucked it up and got enough motivation to just grind through vocab as best as I could and then the real fun starts.

>>102300679
It's not that big of a deal, but then again, neither is learning the basics of stroke order. Learn the stroke order of your first 500 kanji or some shit, and you'll be able to guess the stroke order of the rest fairly well.
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>>102301144
I cant agree more regarding vocab, its annoying having to look up words but know the grammar that is being used. It feels great when you can actually read a sentence without having to look up a single thing with the little vocab known.
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休む
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いつ勉強するの? 今でしょ!
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Hey guys, I am currently doing 50 kanji a day. It's a bit heavy, but I want to get done with the kanji already (been trying to do them for a few years, used different methods, just want to get rid of them once and for all.)

My question is, how many reviews should I set in anki? I had previously set 200 per day, but today it went slightly over that (203). Should I just allow all reviews?
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>>102304593
>50 kanji a day
lol
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>>102304593

Unlimited reviews.
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>>102304593
>Hey guys, I am currently doing 50 kanji a day. It's a bit heavy, but I want to get done with the kanji already (been trying to do them for a few years, used different methods, just want to get rid of them once and for all.)

Enjoy your 10% retention rate. You're not going to "learn" them any faster than someone who goes at a normal pace, you'll just see them earlier and then fail the cards again and again.

If your number of cards absolutely has to be 50, do 20 kanji and 30 words instead.
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>>102304593
How many days in are you? You gonna get fucked brah.
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>>102304593
>50 Kanji a day

I hope you enjoy forgetting stuff.
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>>102304593
>50 kanji a day
You are sugoi, you learn in a day what the japs learn in months
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>>102304631
>>102304691
>>102304716
>>102304748
>>102304776
I've already done a lot of kanji in my previous attempts. I don't mind failing and forgetting the new ones. I just want to get the new ones over with so I can review them at lot at the end. I'm around 16 days in.

Thank you for your concern anyways.

>>102304638
Thanks
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>>102304776
To be fair, isn't that what most of us are trying to do in this thread? Japs finish learning the kanji when they're in High School, right? None of us is trying to take that long.
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>>102304835
>>102304691
Are you learning to write the kanji as well, or just to recognize them?
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>>102304923
One thing is trying to learn in 1 or 2 year what they learn in 10 years, another is trying to learn it in 2 or 3 months.
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>>102304956

Just recognition. I can always save the writing for later.
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>>102305023
That's what I figured. I do the same, figure writing is the least useful part of the language (for me, at least). Nice to see I'm not the only one saving that for last.
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>>102304956
Both, though I admit I put more weight on recognition. I write each new one two or three times, and once if it's an "again".
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>>102305052
What I do is kanji deck for recognition and then I write all new words in my vocab deck at least once and occasionally when I get them wrong.
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こんな生活もためにはいいね。
what the heck does this mean?
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>>102306908

What part of that is supposed to make me remember the kanji better
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>>102306908
>not using KD

The only way fat dudes can get laid is to go to THAIland.

Let's consider the dot a schlong, for reasons which shall soon become clear)
Picture a dude who has to walk with his legs spread open wide, to accommodate the huge, fat schlong dangling there.
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>>102306661
you copied it wrong

it's たまには
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>>102306954
apparently a LARGE person dropping like WATER DROP in a...fishbowl. The person is plump.
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>>102293602
I just started reading Yotsuba& because of this and I'm already confused. What in the world is すげえ supposed to be?
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>>102308075
Have you watched anime at all?
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>>102308450
y-yes
I know I am making a stupid mistake here but I am not sure what it is
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>>102308508
すげえぇなお前
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New guy here how many hours a day would you guys recommend?
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>>102308559
I guess it means I shouldn't be trying to read manga yet. Back to Tae Kim and KD for me.
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>>102308722
How the hell did you get past the first page?
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>>102308667
As many as you can comfortably and, more importantly, faithfully devote.
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>>102308667
As much as possible without burning yourself out. Just don't spend that time in front of Anki doing 50 kanji a day or some shit. Keep the number of new cards at a reasonable level and spend the rest reading, listening, studying grammar and whatnot.
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>>102308895
I just clicked to the next one silly
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Anyone here even been to a rakugo theatre?
I'm curious as to how much more I'll have to learn or know until I can fully appreciate an act in one of those.
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What do you guys think about audio programs? I started with Michel Thomas and Pimsleur becaue my first objective was to just be able to conversate simply once I go to Japan (now I picked up all the stuff in the guide and want to be able to read as well). Personally, I feel that it helps me to build some simple vocab and also helped me to understand some grammar points.
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>>102308667

I'm >>102304593 and I support >>102308921

Take it slow the first time, learn the radicals, maybe 5 or 10 a day. I remember being overwhelmed with that much when I started learning, around 6 years ago. I've been learning on and off since then,

In my experience, you have to ascertain how much will power you have, and how much you really want to learn Japanese first. You can burn out and be very frustrated otherwise. It's also always helpful to read/hear stuff that is a bit harder than your current level. That way, the fact that you can understand a bit will make you feel it's all worth it, and motivated to really understand completely. Since you are just starting, I recommend children's books.

Spoilered for blogshit, but when I'm only doing 50 kanji a day now because I already know a great deal of kanji, and just want to get to those that I don't know. In the past, I took it slow with Heisig, but not having the readings was a huge demotivator. In more recent attempts, I did around 15 to 20 a day with KD, but learning both the reading and the meaning at the same time made retention more difficult for me, and I became overwhelmed.

tl;dr take it at your own pace, know your limits and strengths, never forget why you got into this in the first place.
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I just downloaded the Anki Deck and have a question. Which pronunciation should I do for the kanji? Kun-yomi, On-yomi, Nanori? Looking at One 一 ひと or イチ or かず
Sorry for me being a moron on what should be basic stuff.
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>>102309624
This is my opinion, but none of them. Focus on learning the meaning only.

You can pick up on kun-yomi and on-yomi just by doing vocabulary. It's much more energy efficient this way.
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>>102309624
>Sorry for me being a moron
that's what this thread is for, asking questions when you can't find the answer yourself.

Most people here would probably advice either only meaning or meaning and on reading. The kun reading (and, to a large extent, the on) you can learn through doing vocabulary on a separate deck.
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I have a question about 突. I saw this today with an additional dot on the 大 radical (like 犬), and it confused the hell out of me.
I later read up about Kyūjitai, which explained this a bit, but now I'm a bit scared about running into more of these.

How can I prepare myself for this? Learn the old form of every new kanji? Remember to take a wild guess if I don't recognize something?
Is there some kind of pattern in the simplification that I could take advantage of?
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>>102309624
Forget about nanori for the time being. Remove that from your cards. You definitely want to learn the meaning, but you might want to learn the on'yomi as well. If your have a deck that lists several on'yomi, the first is usually the most common, but you might want to confirm that first just in case. There's usually no need to learn more than the most common reading.
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So 晴れる is used for when it's sunny, but is it also used for clear night skies?
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>>102309791
After you mentioned Kyujitai, I looked it up in Wikipedia. I think there is a list there of all the ones that have different forms. Maybe check up on it? Or maybe you could look at the etymology of the characters.
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あなたのワイフだれですか
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>have trouble with yotsuba
>reps from a few months back pop up and I can't remember shit
This is demotivating as hell. Also, what does くる / くて mean when attached to a te-form verb. At least I think it was te-form and not a non-conjugated verb.
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>>102310109
Read this.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/requests
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>>102309816
So On'yomi tends to be the most common way to say it?
>>102309730
Thanks for the pick me up. I'll do what you guys say and focus on the meaning first and will focus on how it's spoken later.
>>102309688
Will do. Thanks.

How do you feel I should handle learning vocabulary? A could of Kanji plus a couple of non kanji words a day? Is there a list of words that are not written in Kanji? I feel most western words wouldn't but are there a few that are just written in ひらがな that are hardly ever written in Kanji?
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>>102309935
Several problems with that. First of all, I don't want to learn 364 outdated kanji. Call me lazy, but I'm not gonna do that.

Second is pic related. I would not have found the alternative style of 突 on that list.

I agree with you that this is a useful recourse if you have a hunch on what it's supposed to be, but somehow, this doesn't make me any less nervous about the existence of this.
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>>102310230
The onyomi is basically the reading of the character exported from China. The kunyomi means the reading of the character that the Japanese give it, which I think is why the on is written in katakana and the kun in hiragana.

Usually a kanji used in a compound is read with the onyomi, which makes it useful to know when you get words that are made up of one kanji. You can use the meaning to more or less guess what the word means, and the on to know how to pronounce it. However, you can still get those benefits if you study vocabulary alongside the kanji, so its your call.
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>>102310235
Yeah, you're right, I saw that after posting.

Perhaps you could try my other suggestion, the etymology? I don't know if it would help, but maybe it could also help to recall the kanji in your regular reps, while also knowing what the original form of the character was.
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東京で天気はどうですか。

would this work for 'how is the weather in Tokyo?"
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I'm a bit confused with the sentence placement of けど. In spoken Japanese it seems you hear one clause, and then the next clause is begun with けど. However, when I see it written it usually ends a sentence.

So how do you properly use it?
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>>102310565
Think I'll focus on just remembering the meaning right now. Thanks for the input. So is there a list on words in Japanese that aren't normally written in Kanji? Just so I can get a good balance of Kanji and non kanji words.
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>>102311074
No problem, glad I could be of assistance.
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>>102310623
I can't seem to find anything useful on google. There are some sites for etymology online, but I'm not very satisfied with them.

How does everyone else deal with the problem?
Am I making it out to be bigger than it actually is?
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>>102311385
I would suggest Genetic Kanji, but I don't know if it would be very helpful to your purposes. In fact, I was hoping someone in this thread could point me to a good book on the etymology of the characters/words.
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I hate the awkward position of the ー on the keyboard. Is it possible to remap it in google IME?
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So I've been reading some Yotsuba& and tried to translate a lewd pic with my low skills.
Could someone tell me what it says here so I can compare it to my attempted translation?
http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/336989#search=Agrias_Oaks
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Has DJT ever tried getting a Japanese pen pal and practicing with them?
The only problem I have with it is that all pen pal sites are seedy as fuck.
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>>102310650
Yes, though I would personally say 東京の天気はどうですか
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How many of you here frequent the Japanese Thread on /int/?
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>>102316066
I do. Japs are nice people. They talk about the weather a lot, but that's probably because I don't often initiate really in depth discussions. It's good practice no matter what you do in there though.
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Rosetta Stone is on sale right now. I have the money would it help me learn?
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>>102316642
No.
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>>102316642
Nothing can help you in particular. Give up.
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>>102313739
ううん、だって人にしゃべって恥ずかしいよ。
Acoordingly, I probably botched that in several ways.
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>>102316642
just pirate it
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>>102316876
>ううん、だって人にしゃべって恥ずかしいよ。

人としゃべるのは恥ずかしいよ
人としゃべるって恥ずかしいよ
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>>102316982
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.
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Guys, I've been too lazy to keep up my study sessions these last few wee- days. I intend to do some studying now but please motivate me for further encounters with the beast of sloth within me. It's strong. Very strong. ;_;
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>>102317294
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYzMYcUty6s
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>>102316982
I have actually seen the construction -te form + adjective besides things like 欲しい, particularly with 嬉しい. Is there something wrong with しゃべって恥ずかしい?
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>>102317371
Gonna need to see an example of that
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>>102317294
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>>102316642
No, it sucks.
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>>102317430
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eBvZydSqAQ
skip to 1:05
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>>102317556
That's a goddamn song and a completely different sentence structure dude.
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>>102317294
Set a time for yourself every day to study. Have a fixed set of shit you need accomplished in that time frame, and don't make it more than you can handle. If you do what you need to do each day in that time, you'll make a habit of it, and it becomes second fucking nature. People who find themselves giving up do it because "oh no I don't have time today, so I'll do it tomorrow" and then tomorrow becomes the next day and the next day and the next day, and then they forget shit, and then they get discouraged and stop.

You have to start and never stop. EVER. I believe in you, you fucking cunt. You worhtless shit, go learn Japanese. If the worthless pillow hugging fat people on /jp/ can do it, why the fuck can't you? Do it. Right now. Go.
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>>102317611
The sentence structure is the same. I am pretty sure I have seen it a couple of times in mango, though can't remember any specific examples.
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>>102317370
Th-thanks! Faito to you too!

>>102317641
I've been doing all of that actually, been studying this shit for what, half a year now? I'm too far into the game to give up now but every now and then, there are days when I just can't follow the routine and from that point onwards, it's an inevitable downward spiral until the point of recovery. Well, I'll somehow manage.
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>>102317952

At least do your fucking reviews even if you don't do any new cards.
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>>102317493
>You can (not) learn Japanese
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>1チームの4人が2回ずつジャンプをして

Context: Contest in group jumps with skies between differents teams. Though, I don't the jumps are made together as a team or individually. Which leads me to my question. Is it possible to tell if ずつ in this sentence implies equal distribution between teams, or within each team?
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>>102313739
I have a japanese pen pal.
but we speak English. I'm too scared to try to speak, and butcher, the japanese language
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>>102318367
Does he butcher the English language?
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>>102318367
and you think he/she doesn't feel uncomfortable talking in english fagegotr
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Can someone help me understand what it means when something is in te-form without anything attached to it?

For example:
ドアを開けてみて
was translated as "Try opening the door"

I understand the 開ける is put in te-form with みる attached, and this already means to try opening. What function does converting 開けてみる into te-form without attaching anything to it do?
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>>102318910
Changes it into a command form.
Your example would be for example (x) (will) try opening the door.
Adding -te makes it into try opening the door.
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>>102286748
I already like it. Thanks!
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>>102318216

Why won't you answer my question, you pieces of shit
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>>102319985
It says the four people in each team just twice at a time you dumb fucker, what the fuck is so hard to understand.
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>>102318216
The four people on a single team each jump twice. It can be two jumps per team, but that makes little sense in context (why would four people have two jumps between them).
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>>102317430
http://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=て恥ずかしい

そんなに褒められて恥ずかしい
feel embarrassed being praised so much

失敗して恥ずかしい
be embarrassed by failure

~するのがこんなに遅くなって恥ずかしい
be ashamed that one is so late in
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When do you pronounce the 'u' in 'tsu', 'ku', 'su' etc.? Sometimes they pronounce it and somethings they don't?
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>>102320670
su
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>>102320670
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology#Devoicing

Depends on the dialect, but there's some general rules. It's not hard to get used to it just by listening. Don't fall into the habit of just always devoicing it.
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>>102320612
Yes but those are different because they imply a sequence of events

"I got praised so much I got embarrassed"
"I failed and got embarrassed"
etc

What he was saying was that in general he's embarrassed by talking to people, that the action of talking to people is embarrassing to him. Not "I talked to people and got embarrassed"
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>>102320804
I agree, but I didn't want him to think that he was completely off base. The best way to judge whether something makes sense is to look at other examples, rather than to try and dissect it, so I provided some. As you said, they don't really fit.
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>>102320502
Ah, thanks.
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>>102317294
Don't lose your WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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>>102313739
How does one get one?

Also, I possibly cannot be the only one learning japanese through english, with english as a second language. It's not only me having trouble with much of the grammar because of that, right?
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>>102323071
English is not my native language and I still don't have any trouble with japanese grammar.
I actually find it quite simple, you only have to look at the small things
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>>102323071
I got one through some old ass website awhile ago.
She was so nice, but we lost contact around the time of the Earthquakes.
I know she's fine, but she said she won't be able to keep up with our emails anymore because she needs to care for her family.
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>>102323214
Oh yeah, I understand that, I also find Japanese easy in itself to learn. I mean that "all" guides are in english, and I very often have to look up words (first one I recall looking up was intonation for example)

>>102323256
Yeah, I don't remember what site it was, nation-something, but it was all "Hey, 39 yr old male from USA looking for hawt japanese girl!"
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>>102323256
You managed to get pen-pal friendzoned.
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There are a lot of fonts on the computer that makes it hard for me to see the difference between シ and ツ, and ソ and ン. I'm not the only one? And if I am, how did you learn to see the difference?
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>>102323433
Yeah, I did.
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>>102323391
Of course, I have to look up some english words too every now and then, but I think even natives have to look up words.
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>>102323849
To console you today I did pen-pal sex with my pen-pal today and it didn't felt that good.
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>>102323771
i just think to myself, if the left eye is below the right eye, then the character is "shi".

silly but it works for me.

for "so" and "n" i don't even know how to explain how i see the difference, but im sure you can find a trick that will help you distinguish them.
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>>102324232
>pen-pal sex
Is that like... cybering?
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>>102323771
tsu vs. shi is pretty easy: trace a line through the two dashes. It ends up looking like shit or tsu. For so vs. n, good luck.
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>>102323771
Just get used to it, in some fonts uppercase i and lowercase L looks exactly the same
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>>102324242
Well from what I see now
Shi and N (wich both are "soft" sounds" starts on the bottom, because they are kind (I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking)

Whilst So and Tsu are sharper, and are cut from above like a sword. Because they are sharp, the dots also stand upright, in attention.

Or something like that... hope it works.

>>102324424
>It ends up looking like shit or tsu.
I tried drawing this in paint, and I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Is there a program that is like rikai but can be used with, say, chinese comics (i.e. images)? I don't want a terrible Google translation, just an edict lookup of a word when I hover over it.
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>>102324740
Excuse my terrible mouse handwriting.
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>>102324842
Wow, that was handy! Thank you very much!
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>>102324820
Check the guide.
there was on there
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少し休憩しようか
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRmitkjx4iw

@10:50 quite a nice result imo, too bad
the enthusiastic staff didn't make the cut ;_;
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>>102324232
What the fuck? Who initiated that shit?
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>>102325597
Also I've just checked the official PV on YT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjh_L1-SLN4
>the number of japanese commenting
Everyone should watch YOUは何しに日本へ、really.
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>>102325597
shitty
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Relative clauses consisting of て-conjugated verbs are the fucking worst
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>>102326271
I'm going to agree and pretend I know what the fuck you're talking about with your grammatical techno babble
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>>102326271
>Relative clauses consisting of て-conjugated verbs are the fucking worst

なぜ
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>>102326522
>>102326349

>女性の家で食事を作ったり掃除をしたりして働く人になりました

Like this. Is that

女性の家で食事を作ったり掃除をしたりして, 働く人になりました, or

[女性の家で食事を作ったり掃除をしたりして働く]人になりました.
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>>102326648
Looks like the first to me, I haven't seen たり・たり get used like in the second example very often if ever and it just sounds awkward.
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>>102323071
English is my second language, but though Japanese grammar is difficult, I do not attribute it to anything else than learning grammar in itself is somewhat difficult.
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>>102326774

Right? But it sounds to wierd that she cleans and cooks at some woman's house, and THEN becomes a 働く人. I don't know what connotations 働く人 has for japanese, but cooking and cleaning sounds like work for me.
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>>102326880
I think its supposed to be a joke
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>>102327076

Don't think so. It's from an NKH News Easy article. They're pretty stiff.
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>>102327150
It is NHK, not NKH. I was too lazy to correct you the last few times, but I can't stand it anymore!
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>>102327300

Fuck.

I won't stop. Writing NKH is much easier :^)
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>>102327586
>The h uses the same finger as the n when typing it, unlike the k that uses a totally different finger

Do you not use the homerow?
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>>102326648
That doesnt seem too bad considering its just multiple clauses
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>>102327810

My fingers are at n and k by default, though.
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>>102326800
>Japanese grammar is difficult
I don't get why people say this. How is Japanese grammar difficult? It seems pretty straight forward to me.
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>>102327877
That seems like a very uncomfortable position. Enjoy your carpal tunnel.
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I've learnt all kana characters, but occasionally I will stop and think when I see one. I guess this is only natural in the beginning?
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>>102327939
obviously
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>>102327939
>I guess this is only natural in the beginning?
That's not a question. Oh and sure, I guess so. You'll get used to it.
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>>102327913
Lack of perspective, probably. They haven't learned a language that actually has difficult grammar like Russian.
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>>102327913
I think learning grammar is kind of difficult by itself. I can't say it without sounding like a faggot, but it is slippery, you think you have the right meaning of a phrase, but it actually means something totally different.

Perhaps I'm just reading things that are too hard.
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>>102327919

I wouldn't get carpal tunnel.
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>>102326648
>For women, doing such things as cooking and cleaning at home has made them into workers

Did I understand that right?
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>>102242946
The ones that are going through/or went through Tae Kim's guide, did you write down some stuff on a notebook or did you just add the Kanji to Anki and revised them?
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How hard is it to learn kanji?
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>>102329540
yes
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>>102329398
Write down in notebook.
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>>102329540

This hard *flips out dick*
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I'm think I'm just gonna skip kanjo altogether

It should be discontinued by the time I get grammar and vocabulary down, right?
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>>102329685
>kanjo
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>>102329540
not hard at all so long as you don't treat them like they're ancient slant eye moon magic
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>>102329685
If my whoreoscope is anything to go buy, I believe your wright.
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>>102329799

hurr durr i can't tell he's talking about banjos xD
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>>102329809
What other forms of denial do you partake in.
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>>102329799
>kanjizzle
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>>102329799
>彼女
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>>102329845
>waah anyone can get through all of RTK in a few weeks
>Its impossible

Confirmed for jewish lizard person

In answer to your question my main form of denial is believing not all women are money grubbing whores
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>>102329398
Wrote in a notebook, then just look up stuff whenever I forget it. Didn't bother using Anki.
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>not memorizing the three ADJG books
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I'm not always clear on when words like 今日 or 明日 should be set off with a comma at the beginning of a sentence, used with the particle は, or just left alone. In English it seems to give off mostly the same meaning, so I want to know how to properly determine the above.
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>>102331293
The kanji isn't used when you're writing the greeting I believe.
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>>102331293
Just don't use commas then. They're a ホワイトピッグ invention anyways.
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>>102331385
Yes, but I mean more like:

>今日、。。。。
>今日は。。。。
>今日。。。。

I'm not sure what distinguishes them. Sorry if my question is weird, I'm trying to word it best I can.
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>>102331640
Oh alright, I think I understand you better. The meaning should remain the same regardless of the は's presence or not. If it's there it puts a little more emphasis on 今日 in terms of what you're talking about rather than a bigger clause.
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I'm coming up on the end of Core2k and was wondering if it's worth it to go on with the 6k or just do straight custom from then on. I've already got a custom going along side the 2k.
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>>102331640

go here and press listen:

translate.google.com/#ja/en/............
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>>102331830
Do all of coreplus or you don't know japanese.
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>>102305052
>least useful part of the language
You don't like looking up kanji that you don't know? I'm not saying you have to learn all of them but at least the first 200 or so and then you'll have an idea of how to write the radicals and rest of the kanji by stroke order. And once you've gotten to 200 it's not that hard to keep going.
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>>102332811
>direction of hieroglyphic text
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I got my paper back and my teacher told me this doesn't make sense :

今、学校だから、忙しすぎて、何もできません。

I just read the から, て, and potential grammar on Tae Kim over again but I don't see what I did wrong. Can someone help me break down the errors?
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>>102333710
Seems like a comma spliced run-on to me.
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>>102333841
Would it make sense if I ended the sentence at 忙しすぎます and started the next with だから何もできません。?
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>>102333710
You're trying to translate directly from English to Nip and it doesn't sound right. Drop them commas too.
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>>102248669
cdjapan is pretty good, I get a lot of untranslated manga from there.

and bookdepository for english books (free worldwide shipping)
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>>102334419
That might be the case of why it doesn't make sense. I'm trying to say something that ends up meaning "Since I have school now, I'm too busy and so I can't do anything."

I guess the 何もできません might be why it doesn't make sense. 今学校だから忙しすぎます sounds right to me though. But then I don't know how that sounds like from someone proficient in Japanese.

Perhaps if I end the sentence there and add 暇の時間がありません or 暇じゃないです。? I won't be able to turn it in again for points or anything, but I would like to fix my errors so I don't stick with it while I'm in the learning process.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp4J9Hef_70
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>>102316642
Rosetta stone is only good for languages other than asian ones.
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>>102334818
Maybe a comma after the だから would make it more readable. I'm on the fence regarding the すぎます, I'd rather see what other anons have to say about it.
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>>102335027
She's actually really kawaii. Was expecting a weaboo but she really fits.
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Are you guys able to write quickly and neatly? I'm beginning Tae Kim and I'm on the beginning Kanji section and I have to meticulously write each character in my notebook properly. I can do kana well enough but still.
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>>102335027
a lot of good laughs in that
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>>102333710
Makes sense to me. Not really a good way to say it, and definitely not native japanese, but your teacher should have understood it.

But for one thing, 忙しすぎて is weird, just say 忙しくて. And 何も出来ない would probably be better replaced by something more concrete.
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美少女の涙と笑顔ほど卑怯な武器ってないよな、うん。

Is this guy really try to convince himself that women don't use their emotions to fool people? Please tell me I'm reading this wrong.
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>>102336077
Is the ~すぎる generally not conjugated with て for connecting sentences?
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>>102336214
It is, but it's redundant there. 忙しくて___ implies "I am too busy to ___" without butting すぎて
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>>102336182
You are reading it wrong.

>>102336293
to clarify, I mean with negative potential in the blank. Something like 忙しくていけない
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Anyone have any decent sources for Japanese subtitles? I've been looking for some for some older shows (mostly Gundam series), but the ones listed in the guide don't have subs for most of the shows I've been watching.
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>>102336182

No, he's reminding himself that really, there are no greater weapons than a woman's tears and smiles.
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>>102335027
MEANWHILE, IN THE PRESENT...
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>>102336528
> greater
>卑怯
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>>102308075
I know like no Japanese other than the most basic of words and I'm pretty sure that means "awesome."
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>>102308075
すげえ
すごい
It's not so hard, アノンちゃん
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サーリャ、おまえ
はきれいですよ
ぼくのワイフ

Does that make any sense whatsoever? I was bored
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>>102337041
>Does that make any sense whatsoever
I mean it's really simple, but it's shit.
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>>102336565
Why what happened? What became of the idol thing?
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>>102337195
Assuming it's the same girl, she used to post on youtube, and the last videos she looked very depressed and tired. /a/ says she married and yakuza, but I don't know what happened.

>reading for about 1 hour
>about 10 sentences read
This is going to kill me and my motivation. Porn come quick.
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>>102336898
>>102336812
i kinda figured, but at the time it didn't occur to me that a kid would be mispronouncing words.
ありがとうアノンせんぱい。
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>>102337268
You really don't know? Hint: it rhymes with sports
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>>102337299
>the last videos she looked very depressed and tired
That's some tough shit. I felt like disaster was waiting somewhere by watching the videos. He attitude and the surrounding attitude were clearly a few degrees off. Like a witch she will float on water.
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>>102336572

>implying that dirty weapons aren't the best weapons
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>>102337399
But almost everything rhymes in this language!
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>>102337394
>せんぱい
not 先輩

Step it up, 友達
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>>102337268
I just realized I don't remember what that's called.
My memory's starting to slip.
Autumn creeps in.
Leaves dry to dust.
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>>102337538
i'm trying so hard to step it up
i am literally studying every free hour i have
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>>102337746
>i am literally studying every free hour i have
You have to study even when you're not free.
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>>102337746
Try not to get burned out.

That won't do you any good, you'll end up like pic related.
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>>102337299
I think you're thinking of Emiry.
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>>102337578
ブルマー
There it is. Got blooma and bloomer but didn't get it at first.
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>>102337746
>i am literally studying every free hour i have
Become a NEET and that might actually get you somewhere.
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>tfw I cant learn Japanese
I've been studying 3 different anki decks and reading tae kim's guide every day but none of it is sticking with me.
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>>102337856
I thought that looked like her. Regardless I have a feeling I've seen the girl in the video already somewhere.
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>>102337578
http://youtu.be/PmVXFoxu2m0

Anyone else love traditional Japanese music? It's so strange, but very calming.
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>>102335027
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwNfXxBPIwY
This was the アグネス・チャン that was mentioned.
Would vagina mouth ass fuck force.
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>>102337524
nigga please
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>>102337794
my dreams have actually been reduced to reviews so i've got that covered at least.

>>102337837
i'm conscious of that, and i'm doing my best not to. i haven't learned my limits yet and haven't gone full trainwreck, so the sooner i can get my studies down to a science the better.
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>>102337902
Don't worry. I'm reading this VN and it's basically "what anime/VN protag stock phrase can I throw at this that sticks closer? Ok, must be that then."
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>>102337985
How long have you been at it, friend?
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>>102338021
>Anyone else love traditional Japanese music?
Yeah it's neat. Traditional styles of music in general are cool to me because they carry such a unique tone to them.
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>>102337856

What happened to her? I know she did a lewd photo session in Japan towards the end of my exposure to her... Haven't heard about her activities since.
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>>102337876
It's just that? Thought there would be a different term for >>102337268
and pic related
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>>102338082
Oh yes. World music is fantastic, both in its traditional form and when it is mixed with a modern type of music to create some glorious fusion.
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>>102338106
>Haven't heard about her activities since.
That's either because she got turned into a human meat bag, died of overdose, or people simply lost interest because fuck sluts.
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>>102338321
>World music is fantastic, both in its traditional form and when it is mixed with a modern type of music to create some glorious fusion.
Gonna have to 100パーセント agree. A modern and traditional blend will absolutely produce interesting music.
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>>102337746
well THEREs your problem

You'll learn more watching porn games and chinese cartoons then studying
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>>102338495
And this. Marginalizing studying for actual exposure will do you some good.
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>>102338495
>chinese cartoons
Only when you're already pretty good. Otherwise half of /a/ would know japanese.
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>>102338078
A little more than a month, I think. Perhaps I just need to keep going.
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>>102338435
http://youtu.be/Z_guyo_oAnw

Have you seen this? It's not fusion, but holy mother of god is it mesmerizing. The whole thing, the stage, the music, the way she is playing... it all makes sense, all of it.
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>>102338590
Do this >>102338495
Don't give up, just remember why you started studying in the first place.
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>>102338559
>>102337746 here. no denying he's got a valid point, since there's definitely plenty to be found there in the way of common phrases and slang. if i was paying better attention i might have figured out that すげえ was just a corruption of すごい immediately.
that said, i probably should be watching more and keep at it. i don't want to lose my way.
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Can someone help me with the whole は->わ? Because the lack of spaces makes it harder to know when it's used as a topic particle and when it's part of the word.
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>>102339499
Eventually, you'll learn Kanji.
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>>102339499
>Because the lack of spaces makes it harder to know when it's used as a topic particle and when it's part of the word.
No it doesn't. Just be patient, you'll get it.
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>>102335027
Inspired me to move to Japan, but I'm not a 可愛いウグウウ~女の子
I'm a big, hairy man, so I guess I can't work in a maid cafe and be an idol.
Maybe that's for the best, so I don't get raped by the Yakuza or made into dog meat.
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You know what annoys me?
When I'm watching a Japanese show interview a foreigner and putting most of the Japanese words they say in katakana. Why do that?
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>>102340645
To annoy foreign readers who can read better than speak.
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>>102340645
>Why do that?
Because they're saying it stupid.
Get a better accent and you won't have to deal with it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au4t8wliFqo
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>それは私の思ってたつくつくぼうしとちょと違う

I don't understand how 思ってた is being used in this sentence.
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>>102339664
But what about words that doesn't use Kanji? I know they are used a fuck ton but there's always some words that there's no Kanji for.
>>102339686
So basically after a while I would start to just know when it becomes a particle and when it's just part of the word?

I just don't understand why it becomes the topic particle when there's already a Wa ひらがな just makes it really confusing.
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>>102341759
>I just don't understand why it becomes the topic particle when there's already a Wa ひらがな just makes it really confusing.
Because it was not supposed to be pronounced wa it was supposed to be ha as it is written, but people thought that was too hard to pronounce so they decided to say wa instead because that's how languages work and now its written は and pronounced wa.
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>>102342005
Weird but guess it's just something I will have to get use to. Thanks for the help.



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