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Why can't any fantasy anime ever be placed in settings outside of the Traditional high fantasy look?

Something like Planescape
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Some JRPGs have pretty interesting worlds
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>anime planescape

FUND IT

ignus is yandere for flame
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>>102232855
>implying she's not the purest
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cuz that would take too much effort. it's much easier to ride on the works of other, more imaginative authors/writers
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>>102233001
Pretty much this.

Look at some of the greatest mangakas of all time, and you'll see interesting worlds they've created
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Jinrui was non-traditional. Post-apocalyptic fairy is definitely different.

Although I would literally murder somebody for Dak'kon with a gorgeously animated karach blade.
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>>102233066
That's probably my favorite side-story of any game.
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The Fate series did a pretty good job of creating a contemporary fantasy setting. Actually, I would argue that's something the Japs are good at, overlaying magic and fairies and shit on modern worlds.
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Why can't any fantasy anime ever be placed in settings outside of the Traditional high schools?
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>>102233123
Considering how much text detail goes into describing the karach blade in all of its incarnations, the fact that is always just appears as a metal stick in his hands made me sad.
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>>102232755
>high fantasy
Nowadays even high fantasy is practically nonexistent. I hope you enjoy stories about high schoolers, harems and contemporary setting because you won't find much more.
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Well for that to happen we would have need someone to make a high fantasy anime in the first place. When was the last one of those made?
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>>102232755

I wish that the high fantasy most popular in anime wasn't so high.

I would prefer a healthy middle high with sweeping natural landscapes, cities and villages with buildings that follow actual real-world architectural know-how, and a standard of living that didn't have all the common people living in mud huts with straw roofs... I want a romanticized early/middle renaissance with arches built upon the grand foundations of the previous medieval period...
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>>102233926

The Highest fantasy I recall in recent memory is that one with that Japanese boy being hired by the Japanese government to spread Otaku culture in the world beyond.

The city-scape was quite something.
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>>102234149
God, I fucking hate this bullshit. What about making something with adult characters and at least slightly more serious plot? Japan fucking sucks.
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>>102233926
LH is probably the closest will we get for a long time.

I saw goblins, that is high fantasy, right?
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>>102232755
I take it nobody in this thread ever watched pic related
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>>102234293
But was it magic fantasy or science fantasy?
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>>102234251
Nah, we are getting Hitsugi no Chaika in April. It has dragons, orthros and unicorns.
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>>102234345
Does it have elf women and orcs?
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>>102234293
I never finished it. The OP was pretty cool.
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I'm still surprised that something like Berserk came from Japan. Pretty much all their "Western" high fantasy are poor, mutilated versions of DnD. Even their high fantasy porn. Pig-like ogres and all this crap.
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>>102234346
Its a bit of both.
You get magical weapons powered by advanced pseudoscience
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>>102234251
High fantasy is a fantasy system where everything - religion, landmasses, politics, etc. - are not parallel to the real world.

Goblins do not necessarily mean something is high fantasy, given that retelling WWII with the nazis replaced as goblins certainly is not in keeping with the boundaries of high fantasy.

If the world were changed to that of LotR, where the entire world is fictional with only limited influence from the outside world, then yes, it would be high fantasy.
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Steampunk fantasy is actually considerably more common in anime compared to Tolkienesque fantasy.
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how did elves get to japan?
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settings don't have a whole lot to do with the story as the cast is usually only there for an episode or two so it would be a waste of everything to invest in it
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Kino's Journey had a really nice world, same with Mushi-shi, though I suppose that's more semi-historical. SSY might also count, thoug I guess it's more sci-fi.
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Mondaiji was basically Planescape: Tournament
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>>102234696
Dungeon and Dragons and Ultima series.
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>>102234785
Except shitty.
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>>102234293
Horizon is actually super close, though it's science rather than fantasy.
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>>102234696
Japan loves Wizardry style games
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>>102234785
Except no, and I hate that people perpetuate that bullshit simply because the settings share like one aspect: multiple places converging onto one. It's otherwise nothing alike.
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>>102232755
?
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I want to see some fantasy with 17th century/age of sail technology. That'd be badass.

>sail ship battles
>fencing
>muskets
>muzzle-loading everything
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>>102234954

Well multiple places converging into one is a pretty damn big part of Planescape. It's pretty much the entire reason the damn game exists.
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>>102234428
No
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>>102233160
>overlaying magic and fairies and shit on modern worlds

I hate that, even more when it's modern Japan mixed with Medieval Europe
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A Planescape anime could be amazing if done right.
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>>102235043
That's more like a big part of Sigil, while Planescape is a huge campaign, and besides that there's a general atmosphere to Planescape which Mondaiji simply does not share.
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>>102235035
Japan didn't have any of that
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>>102235043
Of Planescape, yes. Of Torment, no.

Torment's main theme was "What can change the nature of a man?", and it used a fantasy setting to great effect in exploring that theme.

Mondaji shares little with the spirit of Torment in that I never felt like the characters were really growing, or trying to change their nature.
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>>102235104

It could be amazing if done wrong. Imagine the nips trying to make the lady of pain moe. I don't give a shit what happens I really want a Planescape anime now. Someone call Wizards of the Coast and make this shit happen. It's not like they couldn't use the publicity.
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>>102235235

That would be just as amusing. Annah is basically a tsundere catgirl already, anyway.
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>>102235235
So you want a shitty harem that is barely related to the original game. Thanks but no.
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>>102235172
We're talking fantasy in this thread. Fantasy with a 17th century/age of sail level of technology. I would literally pay money for it if they made something like that.
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>>102235289

Ratgirl. But yeah, Annah was a textbook tsundere before that word even got anywhere close to mainstream consciousness.
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>>102235235
They'd make LoP into a milf-type that steps on MC-kun's crotch.
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>>102235310
Pirates of the Caribbean.
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>>102235304

PS:T is almost a harem in canon though. Annah, Fall-from-Grace, Ravel and Deionarra all want your dick.
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>>102235235

>The Forgotten One voiced by Wakamoto.

YOU ARE UNWELCOME HERE, BROKEN ONE!
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>>102235310

Lets say.
Drizzt Do'Urden as a captain of a ship, fighting hordes of pirate goblins/orcs, with his dual welding saber.
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>>102235304

I just want to see Japan try an unconventional anime. I don't really care how they go about it. If it's good then I've got something fun to watch. If it's bad then I've got something to make fun of. I can't lose. Fuck OP for making me want things I didn't know I wanted.
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>>102235235
>make the lady moe
>implying she isn't already
I Want to Praise the Lady of Pain for her Cuteness, but if I do she'll Maze Me!?
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>>102235420
It will not be good.
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>>102235310
So a "Her Majesty's Dragon" anime.
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>>102235397
>Drizzt
pls no
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>>102235397
Imagine the Sellswords trilogy as anime. Artemis Entreri's flashbacks of being raped by the priests in glorious detail.

Oh my.
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Why do people always refer to Torment when talking about Planescape?

Why not talk about how great and malleable the planescape DnD campaign is in general for all sorts of works from comedy to adventure?

And why do people want X adaptation of Y Western thing. Are you guys fags or something?
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>>102235438

If you see her it's like a 50/50 shot she was gonna do that anyways. Might as well get mazed with no regrets.
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>>102233066
>that scene where you can sell Dak'kon into slavery
God, Planescape had the absolute worst Evil options in video gaming ever. And I'm not talking worst as in gameplay benefits or writing, but they just made you feel fucking terrible to even choose them.
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>>102235420
I don't want anything from Japan. There are maybe 2 or 3 competent directors in anime industry.
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>>102235367
Sage for blogshit. I literally watched Pirates of the Caribbean about an hour ago because I've been chasing some age of sail action for more than a week.
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>>102235397
>google Drizzt Do'Urden
>dnd

Mate. Just no.

An original character is the captain of a ship, fighting hordes of pirates would suit me just fine.
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>>102235489

This would be so fucking good.

Altough the nips will fuck it, making Drizzt some kind of moe fujoshit husbando that craves for barbarian cock.
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It was putting Morte back in the pillar of skulls that always got me. Especially after remembering pulling him out of it.
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>>102235492
Torment had much wider exposure than Planescape proper. Unsurprising considering it was a campaign setting for 2nd ed. AD&D and thus predated the revival of D&D's popularity with 3rd edition.
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>>102235521
Watch Treasure Island anime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfH_KA2JXyo
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This seems like a decent place to bring it up; ASOIAF animu when?
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>>102235397
>Drizzt
Fuck no.

You have to give Drizzt some credit though.
He was an edgy, all black, dual-wielding gary stu fantasy-insert before it was cool.
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>>102235568

I know mate. But you need someone as badass as Drizzt as ship captain.
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>>102235600

shit meant to quote >>102235502
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>>102235492

Because Torment is honestly much much better than the campaign setting it's based on.
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>>102235502
>tfw some cute scared girl tries to get you to head into an allyway because some thugs have made do it
>tfw you can turn the entire thing around, make her re-think her entire life and persuade her to get turn it around and lead a life of good
It also had some choices which made oyu feel damn happy
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Firstly, it takes a lot of balls for an original orginal (I'm saying twice because it doesn't have a source material and it's doing something original) to be funded. And many publishers aren't willing to take that risk.

Moreover, if it's going to be done, it's more likely to be based off a LN/manga.
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>>102232755
See this >>102234979

Fake Rome, fake china, fake Africa, fake Egypt, fake Persia, fake Arabia fake hordwars.
It has everything!
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>>102235035
familiar of zero
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>>102235716
It's like Thief of Bagdad, except worse.
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>>102235716

its a shonen m8.
i think the fantasy fags here want some seinen deep shit
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>>102235502
>all these years and playthroughs and I still can't bring myself to sell anyone into slavery, return Morte to the pillar, or generally by an asshole
That said, I DID manage to net myself Chaotic Evil once by being rather mean to Ravel, ironically enough. That was a funny moment.
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>>102235806
shounen can be deep too, something can be aimed at a younger age grou and still be emotionaly riveting
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>>102235378
>Annah = tsundere
>FFG = kuudere
>Ravel = yandere
>Deionarra = yamato nadeshiko
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>>102235678
>honestly much much better than the campaign setting it's based on.
Lol what? Torment is basically a tiny window into the awesomness that is the Planescape setting. They didn't change anything, they just presented it on a platter rather than you needing a competent GM to see it.
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>>102235492
A lot of people know Planescape and even then it's a subset of gamers, like barely anyone recognizes the super cool campaign it came from, even though the campaign's name is right there.

It's also just a damn good story.
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>>102235806
Shounen and seinen are demographics, not genres.
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Torment is honestly the only game where it was difficult for me to stick to one alignment.

I attempted on my first play through to be pure, lawful and goodie goddie, and found myself doing things that were evil as shit.

Even the good choices you can't bring yourself to do a lot of the time
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>>102235620
>>102235678
Bullshit, everything there is to the Planescape setting is it's cosmology and that was used till E4 came along.
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>>102234202

adult MCs don't sell
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4NkADMQwzg
so... I'm excited
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>>102235847
Huh, hadn't thought about it, but Ravel is a total goddamn yandere.
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>>102235867

They actually did change things. For example, they removed elves and all the "standard" D&D tropes like fireballs and swords. Which helped make the setting way more aggressively weird. Also, it's original content almost all of it. They used some famous NPCs and locales from the setting, but 99% of the content in Torment is original to the videogame.

I read the setting after playing PST and my main reaction was "I wish this was half as cool as the videogame was".
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>>102235978
Wasteland 2 is bretty good.

So much alpha right now though
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>>102235806
There were asking for
>anime placed in settings outside of the Traditional high fantasy look

It might be childish but it meets that condition
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>>102236091
*They
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>>102235939
The macro level cosmology has none of the flavor, paricularly the flavor of Sigil, that made Torment so interesting. There is no way you can just name all the planes, say Sigil connects them all and consider it the same as the plethora of supplements from the Planescape line proper. Equating the "Manual of the Planes" with the Planescape setting in all it's richness is a sad joke.
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Should I just wait for all these new isometric oldschool rpgs to come out or finally just play Torment?
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>>102236003
I like Spelljammer better as a crazy D&D meta-setting.

Come to think of it, the 90s also brought us stuff like Rifts and Torg. For some reason that decade seemed to like kitchen sink settings.
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>>102236234
Torments combat system is balls, even for when it was released.

But the graphics still stand up even today, and the story is just.... holy crap breathtaking.

The best thing about is, that besides the occasional boss everything is optional for fighting. You can talk your way out of nearly every situation.
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>>102236234
Play torment. It's not like it will be supplanted by anything coming out.
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>>102236234
Just play Torment.

Takes some time to warm up, but once you dive in first, it will be the best story in videogames ever.
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>>102236394
aye m8.

Honestly you can just fuck the first part, it takes about an hour or so for it to really start
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>>102236234
Play Torment, max wisdom and intelligence. Be the charismatic wizard.
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>>102236429

And the game made me got interested in philosophy way back then.

Also The Dustmen are right
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>play PS:T
>expecting a groundbreaking journey across many highly varied planes
>start in dustbowl city
>after some exploring finally reach next plane, dustbowl city 2: somewhat smaller edition
>after that get to a huge desert
>from there get to a rocky hellscape
>back to desert and dustbowls
>final dungeon is a plain ol' castle

I did enjoy the game overall, don't get me wrong, but I really don't know why they played up the whole planes angle when everywhere you go is either a desert or a dark dungeon.
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>>102236457
Are you me?
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>>102236595
Well, it was after all just one story in an entire campaign, and there was a lot to read about what your past selves did. It was a very text heavy game and since they provided a lot in text, I was cool with not actually being able to go through all the famous planes. Still, you get to go to some neat places, although they may not be visually so. Ravel's Maze was my favorite area.

>>102236610
Silly anon, that's the way to play!
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>>102236610
Everyone does the same thing. You can only juice out dialogues by having max WIS&INT anyways.
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>>102236733
Evil str/dex thief build is fun for a change of pace.

Breaking the necks of pickpockets is satisfying.
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Hell I'd settle for prorperly executed fantasy.

Japan's idea of fantasy seems to be "that one game made in the 80s that everyone copied since"
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>>102236812

Not for a first playthrough. You need int/wis/cha for the full story.
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>>102236812
Personally I tend to play as a thief/mage, switching back and forth with Anna and Dakkon.
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>>102236595

As someone who likes the actual planescape setting and did before the game was even made. The one thing I found disappointing was that it didn't really explore the wonderfully varied planes that you could find. I guess they didn't have enough time.
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>>102236938
Heard that was definitely the case. Planes nothing, they dropped a lot of quests, items, and information.
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>>102237184
Welcome to videogame development. It's still fucking amazing compared to just about everything on the market then or since.
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>>102236595
Well, if it rained in sigil, it could have been a mudbowl city.
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Um...Fate/Zero, 12 Kingdoms, any magical girl anime or battle shonen every created? High fantasy is actually extremely rare in anime, when compared alongside all of that.

>Dragon Ball
>Madoka
>Kara no Kyoukai
>One Piece
>Hellsing
>Mononoke
>Princess Mononoke
>(Come to Think of It) Every Ghibli Movie
>Death Note
>Kyousasiga
>Hunter x Hunter
>JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
>Code Geass
>Yu Yu Hakusho
>Mai-Hime
>Full Metal Alchemist
>Mushishi
>Kino's Journey
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>>102234842
>Mandaiji
>shitty
Kill yourself.
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>>102235806
>fantasy
>make believe
I think you are just being retarded. Fantasy by nature is childish/fun.
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>>102232755
>Why can't any fantasy anime ever be placed in settings outside of the Traditional high fantasy look?

Are you fucking serious? There are a lot of fantasy anime based on Japanese folklore. Mushishi, Kamichu, Mononoke, Natsume, Uchouten Kazoku, Pom Poko, Hoozuki.

"B-but they are not fantasy! But muh knights and dragons!" Fuck off.
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I've only just started and I'm already having fun. An amnesiac Frankenstein woken up by a wise-craking floating skull in a morgue full of zombie chicks as we crack necrophilia jokes? This should be good.
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Planescape is the one about amnesia right?

Isn't underwater ray romano the same?
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>>102237494
>implying that setting is any interesting
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>>102232755
Any nips or gook's RPG settings would totally whoop every LN/manga settings out there.

The world buildings for games are more interesting in my opinion.
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>>102232755
You know. I setting like Planescape would actually be really cool for an anime. I can't think of any anime that did something like that.
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>>102237835

What setting? Just because these anime draw inspirations from folklore doesn't mean they have the same setting. Mushishi's world is completely different from Kyousougiga's setting and they both are different from Natsume.
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>>102237986
LN/manga is done by 1 person most of the time.

Game is done by team of 10-50 people with 100-1000x more budget.
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>>102236234
Good luck if you decide to try Torment.

I tried it a long-ass time ago because old school /v/ would never shut up about it. I think I lasted less than an hour.
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>>102235649
Drizzt. On a boat. Boats that realistically only function during the day.

He's a Drow ranger. That role is like his antithesis.

>tfw you find him in Baldur's Gate for the first time and he asks for your help killing Gnolls, like he needed it anyway.
>Run into him in BG2:SOA and him and his mates claim you killed him and stole his shit.
>Twinkle and Defender were pretty shit anyway, as was chain mail in general.
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>>102234293
It was Magitech.



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