What's the appeal of Fate/Zero and maybe Type Moon in general?
I watched the first episode and beside the story about the guy sacrificing himself for the girl it was 40 minutes of people blogging about magic systems, magic weapons, magic organizations, magic relics etc.
It's like you took Dragon Ball but removed all the fun drawings and the battles and only left the power level talk but added a lot of strained seriousness to it as well. I guess that's actually the appeal or am I wrong?
Read F/SN first, faggot. Then read Fate/Zero or just keep watching it.
Read the VN.
It has appeal for people who can go 5 minutes without le epic battles and "fun drawings"
The first episode is infodumping for retarded secondaries like you
>grimderp and edgy
>no high school
>written by Urobuchi
>music by Kajiura
So of course it MUST be good. Right? Right?
>40 minutes of people blogging about magic systems, magic weapons, magic organizations, magic relics etc.
It's called world building. It gets people invested in a setting without necessarily requiring them to like the work itself. For example, even if people find F/Z to be terrible, all that exposition can enhance the experience of KnK, Tsukihime or FSN by giving you a better sense of the world around the characters. It's also the reason you have Raildex fans who tend to cherrypick what they like and hate on everything else.
Fuck off, you new? Lurk moar.
>music by Kajiura making something automatically good
I'm pretty sure this notion was swept under the rug after Madlax and El Cazador. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly new to anime.
But WHAT is the appeal? Judging by your comment I get the impression you're trying to say it's more "mature" or maybe even more "intellectual" than that but I don't see it. Going by the first episode there's no drama or characterization or anything like that. It's like one isolated element from children's manga (power levels and magic systems) and nothing else.
How does being a secondary makes someone retarded? They make anime to draw people to the original in the first place. If the anime makes a bad job of this by making it appear to be about something it's not then the anime fails not the audience.
For now I'll assume this show is made for middle schoolers who listens to Cradle of Filth and LARPs during recess.
Infodump is literally the worst way you could go about worldbuilding.
Read the fucking VN
>It's like you took Dragon Ball but removed all the fun drawings and the battles
So it's actually better?
The appeal is it's a prequel to material you aren't familiar with. It's not for you, so don't watch it. Now go away.
First episode is an infodump for people who hasn't seen the series, which is a terrible idea since TM's setting is too big for one episode, and the story is a prequel intended for the people who already read FSN.
If you want to see what the appeal is, read the FSN VN or wait for the remake anime.
Maybe you should give it a few years before you start watching it.
The problem is you're starting with Fate/Zero, which is the prequel that comes after the original event, forcing the show to dump all the information that you learn in a more spaced out manner in the VN within 24 minutes so the new viewers have a clue what's happening. The intended viewing range is from the Deen Anime (optional, but it provides the easiest to understand basis) --> VN --> Zero. If you started from Dragon Ball you're probably better off watching the Deen anime first.
For those that started with the VN, the fun of the Nasuverse is that there's the initial material (which can be taken standalone to have a perfectly fleshed out world), and there's a large amount of information behind it too and a coherent, (somewhat, not really) systematic setting should you be interested. It's not everybody's cup of tea, but they don't have to drink it, and I personally love reading settings as much as the story itself.
Also Saber and fistfights
Don't forget abortion debates
Seriously, what the fuck were you thinking?
Y'all people are fucking crazy or delusional, I don't know. F/Z the LN, sure, that may have been intended as a prequel for those already familiar with the source. They wouldn't make an anime to exclusively cater to those already into the whole type/moon thing, its an advertising platform. The first episode was a load of infodump shit; the particular bits of information addressed could have as easily been sprinkled throughout the succeeding episodes with little loss of cohesion throughout.
>it was 40 minutes of people blogging about magic systems, magic weapons, magic organizations, magic relics etc.
This actually reinforce what it says in the OP. It's not about characters or story but about this system of magic powers.
That's a rather strange sentiment. i think the main appeal of Dragon Ball for most people was the visual style and the battles. You seem to think it was talking about power levels. I think we are both right but the latter group is smaller and has now found works that appeal directly to them like Fate Zero.
>They wouldn't make an anime to exclusively cater to those already into the whole type/moon thing
They've been doing that, remember Carnival Phantasm?
TM's fanbase is so big that they don't even need to go out to look for more. If their fans wants it, they'll make/remake all the routes of the original FSN and arataxia.
>You are all fucking crazy or delusional
This is a good start to an argument
>They wouldn't make an anime to exclusively cater to those already into the whole type/moon thing, its an advertising platform.
Yes, that's why they had to give you all the information you needed, since you can't be arsed to watch the original source material
> the particular bits of information addressed could have as easily been sprinkled throughout the succeeding episodes with little loss of cohesion throughout.
And you would know this after watching one episode of a whole series how?
Carnival Phantasm was an anniversary thing. Also suits always want more money no matter how much they've already got.
Not OP. Read the vn long ago, even watched the DEEN abortion, just don't like bullshit arguments.
This. TM is huge. They don't need to bother getting people into it.
>i think the main appeal of Dragon Ball for most people was the visual style and the battles.
The 'appeal' of dragon ball was 熱血, but mainly targeted at kids.
TM's appeal is their huge world setting which is explained through like 3 VN series and 2 LN series. You can't just jump in the middle of it and expect it to be amazing to you.
>its an advertising platform.
That's the FSN remake. Not F/Z.
>Going by the first episode there's no drama or characterization or anything like that.
There's a shit ton of characters to introduce, you're not going to get a Shakespearean play worth of drama in 22 minutes. Plus, a lot of the characters are important in Fate/Stay Night and already built up.
>They make anime to draw people to the original in the first place.
The 'original' in this case is the Fate/Zero LN, not Fate/Stay Night. Fate/Zero was written assuming you know and understand how the world works since you've already read Fate/Stay Night. You wouldn't watch a sequel and get upset that you don't know any of the characters and don't know what's happening, but that's essentially what you're doing. Anyone that read F/SN would know the significance of the characters and why everything is happening. Just because it happens before F/SN doesn't mean anything.
I watched S1 of F/Z first, understood it without trouble, read the novels during the break between seasons, played F/SN, and then watched S2. I understood everything fine and none of my enjoyment was hampered.
OP is just retarded.
>It's like you took Dragon Ball but removed all the fun drawings and the battles and only left the power level talk but added a lot of strained seriousness to it as well. I guess that's actually the appeal or am I wrong?
Maybe you should go back to watching Dragon Ball or Attack on Titan. Those might sate your ADHD.
> Fate/Zero was written assuming you know and understand how the world works since you've already read Fate/Stay Night.
But this isn't even true, F/Z LNs explain the very same mechanics that F/SN does in detail. There are only two things it doesn't explain, the first being the circumstances of the Third Grail War and Angra Mainyu, but even so, the main point is illustrated in perfect clarity: the War was essentially a scam, the Grail was corrupted from the start, and no one could have properly "won".
The second thing it doesn't explain is Saber's inability to return to spirit form, but it doesn't need to be addressed because it's never relevant in the way it was with Shirou as her Master. In fact, Iri and Kiritsugu never even indicate that they want Saber to enter spirit form. It's never an issue, there isn't any reason to go into detail about it the way F/SN does.
I swear some of you people just kind of superficially run your eyes over the text without even taking in what's being said and then run to /a/ in the hopes that someone will give you the gist of what happened so you can run with it. You can experience the series in either order without issue, you just have to be willing to actually absorb and think over what's in front of you when you do so.
F/Z makes sense as a story on it's own, but the significance and impact of a lot of it is lost without already having F/SN as context. Plus, as it's written assuming you already know F/SN, it spoils major plot points in F/SN basically immediately.
You're retarded because you form your whole opinion about a franchise after watching one episode of a show.
If Gilgamesh is so strong then why did he lose to a teenage Japanese boy?
Check and mate Gilfags.
Let's not do this.
I'd suggest watching the Tsukihime ani- wait, what was I saying?
>they'll make/remake all
As much as I'd like a Tsukihime remake, that's only because the anime was so unlike the VN and that the VN is very outdated graphics wise.
But remaking everything?
I love the towering giraffe necks and safeface in TM stuff.
You were suggesting watching an anime that does not exist.
Why Nasu not branching out and making new things instead contenting himself to George Lucas status?
Tsukihime's anime won't get a remake because it would be pointless since the original material is getting a remake.
After the VN remake, hopefully they'll adapt the new Tsukihime to anime.
>liking the disproportionate art of TM
Anyone else think Tsukihime is better than Fate/Stay? I couldn't get through Fate/Stay cuz it was such a snorefest but Tsukihime was just a fun ride.
I wouldn't say that, but reading them both, FSN was like Naruto, except Naruto had sex. Tsukihime was like Twilight, except more insane.
It was the opposite for me. I'm still not entirely convinced that /a/'s eternal boner for Tsukihime isn't one big inside joke I got left out on, because it was so fucking bad in every single way that I can't even set aside my feelings and logically reason out why someone would like it. And I can do that for every other series I've ever experienced in any capacity.