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Is there a difference between "dark" and what's considered (for a lack of a better word) "edgy?" What makes something "dark" and something else just simply "edgy?"

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"Dark" means things I like.
"Edgy" means things I don't like.
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>>102226398
/thread
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>>102226398
this exactly

/a/ is retarded please disregard vernacular
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>>102226398
Pretty much.
Dark things have a bleak and negative outlook or harsh themes, but are presented in a that you like it.
Edgy is supposed to mean avant garde or on the forefront of what is acceptable. But it's an envelope that's often pushed too far for the sake of being pushed too far and that's why edgy has such a bad connotation.
Like A Serbian Film. Complete edge for the sake of edge.
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>>102226558
>A Serbian Film
That's the kind of shit that makes me want to actively murder people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vYiQZdcpFE

Video highly related. I think that everyone involved in similar abortions positively and absolutely needs to be executed along with their family.
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There are certain implications for example I consider grave of the of the fireflies pretty dark and something like... I don't know, naruto, just to name one I see it like edgy.
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>>102226687
To a Serbian film is edgy and a dark movie will be something like Salò or the 120 days of sodome
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>>102226263
I read 'dark' and looked at the thumbnail thinking it was punpun fan art
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If meaning>execution, dark.
If it's more about the execution, presentation, imagery and whatever, than about the meaning, it's edgy.
In short, you can afford darkness only as a tool to a greater end. Otherwise, it's just edge
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>>102226687
>I think that everyone involved in similar abortions positively and absolutely needs to be executed along with their family.

edgy
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>>102226973
Just as keikaku.
But seriously, I want them dead
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>>102227019
>2011
>not watching newborn porn
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>>102227107
das lewd nigga
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>>102226263
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>>102226973
I feel incredibly insulted by the fact that some pretentious faggot thinks as low of me as to believe he can fool me with this kind of shallow lol so randub ridiculous bullshit, just because he as a nice tag on his desk that says "Artist".
Few things get me mad as this. I'd analrape those 2deep4u edgy liberal faggots into oblivion if I had the chance
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>>102227198
>just for me
Thanks, /a/non. I really appreciate it
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edgy things are dark just for the sake of being dark. They don't bring anything to the table. like that loser in your class who has a weird obsession with nietzsche and claims to understand him more than anyone else or that middle school student who brings a knife to school just to show off how badass he is
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Edgy can be used to describe something that pushes boundaries or could be perceived as offensive. For example, edgy humor might be about things like terrorism, racial stereotypes, abortion, etc. Something that's meant to be edgy that takes itself seriously might include a lot of profanity, violence, sexual content, etc. Edgy doesn't necessarily have a negative connotation too. There are quite a few things that are edgy and good.

Dark just describes the tone of a work. I think this is a little more flexible, and I couldn't give a solid definition for what it entails.

Here's an example: The Nightmare Before Christmas is dark, but it's not edgy. Pulp Fiction is edgy, but it's not dark.
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>>102227372
>implying you didn't bring your yugi-oh deck and your madoka-tier entropy to counter those guys
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>>102227372
>like that loser in your class who has a weird obsession with nietzsche and claims to understand him more than anyone else
Liking Nietzsche is "edgy"? How puerile can you be?
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>>102227462
>Yu-Gi-Oh! deck
>Not Vanguard deck
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>>102227421
>Pulp Fiction
>not dark.
That's debatable.
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Edgy is anything that conservative, wholesome, bible thumping idiots don't like.
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>>102227511
>showing off your clever trap to the cute class rep
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>>102227372
>edgy things are dark just for the sake of being dark.

This is completely wrong and you're absolutely retarded. Edgy things don't have to be dark.
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>>102227584
I agree it is. And that's why I said that "dark" is a bit more flexible in its definition.
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>>102226263
What about this?
If deals with human nature and it's portraits it in a very realistic way, so much that's it's not funny, and the viewers feel related, infuriated of very sad I would call it dark. Works like Eva in a symbolic way, pun pun, aku no hana, pluto , now and then.
But the definition here sometimes it's only to mock certain attitudes which might be serious in other context but due overuse, have lost all meaning like revenge, in certain settings, the death of an idol being literal or symbolic, friendship etc
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>>102227483
No need to be defensive - there's nothing wrong with liking nietzsche, and I respect people for being well-read. You just might not have that guy in your life, but I've encountered this type of person twice in my life. That guy who's just itching to show off how he's above the herd mentality and whatnot. The one who's read and memorized Thus spoke, Beyond good and evil, and on the genealogy of morality but has no idea who foucault or sartre is.
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>>102227834
That doesn't make them "edgy" though. It just makes them ignorant.
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>>102226398
This.
Madoka is dark.
SnK is edgy.
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>>102226263
>edgy
No matter how badly /a/ bastardises that word, it still won't be as bad as what they did to the words "hipster" and "pretentious".
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Dark means it's spooky and emotionally traumatic. Edgy means it's trying to be dark. Berserk is dark. Shingeki no Kyojin is edgy.
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>>102227274
Careful with that edge, Eugene
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>>102227932
>implying hipster was ever a good word to begin with
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>>102228016
>not getting it
>stealing my punchline
Once I've found out whom I originally stole that from, I'll have them make you pay, faggot
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>>102227907
I feel the exact opposite. SnK is really silly and 'fun' in a way that works against any edginess it might have, while Madoka really wants you to feel sorry for these barely established characters .
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SnK and Berserk are grimdark because the characters live in shitty worlds.
Elfen Lied is edgy.
Deadman Wonderland is dark and also edgy.
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>>102228136
You may want to read the post I replied to before.
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You guys know that definitions of words do change, right? It's just language evolving.

If I say something like, "Wow, that's pretty edgy," I don't have to mean it's 1) tense or 2) avant-garde. The vast majority of people will understand what I mean.
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>>102226398
/a/ in a nutshell.
It's like it's filled with underage people here, that actually use this logic instead of just ignoring what they don't like.
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Every non-troll post in this thread is correct in its own way.
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>>102227932
Yeah and big chunk of the recommended ones in the chart are called pretentious say: lain, haibane, texnohlize, flcl, Eva, the Tatami galaxy , mononoke, mushishi, monogatari, monster you name it are constantly called like that and nobody that ever watched one of those series will call it edgy. MANSFIELD rewWhate
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>>102228136
Wait... Are you retarded?
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>>102228403
But that anon was correct. Unless you just watched the Shingeki anime which definitely made things seem edgy compared to the manga which was horror.
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>>102227372
When I was in middle school a guy brought a knife to school and stabbed some other guy in the gut, for fucking his girlfriend apparently.
I watched him bleed and twitch on the ground.
Kind of fucked with my mind forever.
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>>102228505
>SnK horror.
Oh okay so you are retarded. Thanks for confirming
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>>102228505
>trying to argue with people who hate something
If they were willing to discuss it, they wouldn't admit that they "hate" it anyway.
Yeah, it's childish as fuck, I know, but the place is filled with kids here.
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I wish we would take that shit that proved that we are little girls, again.
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>>102228645
Not the anon that made the retard comment, but my main problem with the original comment was it said that Madoka tried to make you feel for it's poorly established characters. Even though that's one of SnK's biggest problems.
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>>102228788
Both series have this problem.
Both Madoka and SnK have good and boring characters, and they're trying to make us feel bad for them.

Madoka succeeded towards the end, SnK started pulling it off after Utgard (way better than Madoka if you ask me).

I wouldn't go as far to call other people retards because we don't share an opinion though, that shit is dumb as fuck.
Yeah, people like different things, and that doesn't mean that your or their taste is better. The sooner you learn to get over it, the better,
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>>102228957
Fair enough I guess. I'm gonna have to disagree, but to each their own.
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>>102228551
That's edhy
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Speaking of buzzwords like "edgy" and "pretentious," do you guys think Evangelion is dark or edgy?
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>>102226263
If we are talking about what constitutes edgy in 4chan terms stuff like a Serbian film, violence for the sake of violence and gratuitous rape with no real point besides it being wanted are what you could consider edgy.

Meanwhile as others have stated stuff like Evangelion, Pun pun, Aku no Hana and Madoka are all what could be considered dark because unlike "edgy" stuff there is usually a point & message to all the violence,rape & soul-crushing pain that happens to the characters.
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>>102229589
14 and onwards is pretty dark.

There's nothing particularly tryhard dark that I recall seeing when I watched it. It all flowed smoothly.
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>>102228232
But I happen to genuinely enjoy the SnK anime for what it is and find Madoka to mostly be overblown. Problem?
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>>102226398
not really

evangelion is dark, mirai nikki is edgy

still though, I wish people would stop using that word so much
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>>102230004
>anime
I find a problem here.
Of course though, you can enjoy whatever the fuck you want, isn't that the whole point anyway?
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>>102228788
My point is that as 'try hard' as SnK can be, I enjoy it because it's an over the top shounen action series that's silly enough that it's funny and does a better job of it then most of the genre while having something of a planed world to keep me interested (which is still entertainingly silly in itself). I'm not watching it to become attached to the characters in the first place and I'm glad it doesn't try.

Madoka on the other hand isn't really exceptional as a Mahou Shoujo aside from how condensed it is, and has sub par characterisation for its genre. Since it isn't fascinating outside of that or it's audio visual qualities, most of it just bores me.
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>>102230474
I hope you're just talking about the anime, I feel offended for some reason.



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