We need a new chart. Arguing over this one is boring.
>no mortar headds
What's the point of special tier? We're already guessing. Why not throw them in?
>madoka that high
Why? She's a concept. She doesn't actually do anything.
Indeterminate extent of their power/conditional I guess
>gaku not on top
She's like an author in the universe she resides in. All other characters are simply that to her. Characters. Made from ink and letters. She can do whatever the fuck she wants to them, and they're unable to even know of her existence. Yes. Even Demonbane. Demonbane can't exit his literary confines. And as a result, he can't touch Gaku.
OP has the shit version. This is the last I got.
>all other characters are simply that to her. Characters.
Why is her universe over any other universe? Just because she's God in her own doesn't mean she's more powerful than any other God character.
Where the hell is Kami Tenchi?
The thing is that she's above the universe. Like we are, when readinf manga or watching anime. That's her power. If we put that on line with every other universe, she's the most powerful.
>aureolus that high
>Yukari still that high
Powerlevels eventually reach a point where there's a lot of unstoppable objects colliding with immovable walls.
What's Nozomu's power? I'm curious about what his deal is.
He wields a rank 1 eien shinken. Let's just say that's two steps from below omnipotent.
>Othinus below Aiwass
What the fuck are you doing?
Is Shichika really that powerful?
>Alucard being that low
Uh huh. Alucard is litterally indestructable. He has to will himself into unexistance and doesn't even follow the rules of space or time. Add Quantum Power to him (he ate and stole the power of the cat-trap thing)
It's a chart based off destructive power.
He's as strong as any weapon ever would be, as he can hop across time and space to obtain said weapons, so hypothetically, he's stronger than any of the weapon users on the list, as he can have them all. Since he can beat anything not as strong as the top tier weapon master, he can absorb the powers of anybody weaker.
At that point, he can continue rising in the chart. After consuming the special tier users, he could then hypothetically destoy Demonbane.
In short, if he wanted, Alucard would win. Period. Same goes for anybody who can break the laws of time and space.
Except that nothing in the special tier can beat the top tier of the chart anon.
Shiki's power lets him destroy anything. If he's fast enough, he can destroy anything on the list.
Slap that on a being that can hop across dimentions and time.
It's not the individual powers that make Alucard the top, it's the fact that he litterally has no limit. If he can beat it, he gets its power. There has to be a MASSIVE power gap to avoid getting killed by Alucard after he consumes Shiki. The said gap gets smaller as he consumes more power.
Except you can't "beat" omnipotent enemies anon. He can't beat the top of the chart regardless. they just will him out of existance
Terrible Chart, my last edit from last month.
Demonbane no longer exists
>Above ANY Otome wielding Blue Sapphire
Holy shit nigga what are you doing?
Demonbane has fought while not physical existing. So have alot of fighters.
>Not understanding how Demonbane works
Existing means jack shit to Demonbane you retard.
inb4 that doesn't make sense
Hell if I know, I was the chartfag from a year ago. I found a terrible and did some updating based on what I knew. I don't know where half of these characters should go, so many people were added since my last update.
Why is Rahxephon so high ?
If it can get rid of the color blue, it can get rid of everything that links Demonbane to the physical plane, and keep them severed. It does't have to affect Demonbane himself, but it can be used to cut his links.
>Equal to omnipotents
Stop being retarded.
Stop talking if you don't know what your talking about, you are just embarrassing yourself.
Newfags still think All Fiction is high tier when it is pretty low tier and pretty much every reality bender in anime/manga has All Fiction.
All Fiction couldn't even do anything against time manipulation and it is not even the most minus skill in Medaka Box.
That honor goes to Encounter where even characters comment that Encounter is more disgusting than All Fiction.
>Thinking Demonbane can be restricted by any force shape or form in existence and non-existence
What do you expect from Kumagawafags? They are all underaged shonen kiddies who think All Fiction is unique when plenty of other powers exist in anime and manga already that is exactly like it and some are even more versatile and more powerful.
All fiction is low tier reality warping. nothing more
Stop, Allfiction only has the range of the planet.
Hell if I know >>102230683
I don't know where half of these characters go, after I stopped updating, a million fucking people were added and lots of rankings got fucked up. But there were so many things that were wrong, that I had to fix them.
Othinus is still in the wrong spot as of NT9 but otherwise >>102230449 is still good
A lot of those don't make sense to me, either, but if it's magic girl, then I know it.
And Otomes unlocked are already way, WAY above the destructive capabilities of almost every Symphogear user save for Fine. Star Sapphire is so above Hibiki that the idea of the reverse is laughable.
If you can completely cange the universe to something that doesn't support Demonbane, you can lock him out of the portion of the uiverse that has been affected.
For the record, I haven't even watched it.
If that's the case, then replace it with some other reality warper. It doesn't matter, my point still stands.
You can't affect Demonbane, but if you can lock him out of the psyical plane for a small amount of time, you can keep him locked out with powerful emnough dementional powers.
Medaka prevented her own Manga from ending. Later volumes of the manga were purchased, and people in Japan died between the moment when Medaka prevented the ending to her manga, and the final volume's release date. Therefore, we can assume that someone, somewhere died on the way to purchase something related to Medaka Box post-Prevented Ending, whether they were stabbed on the way to getting it, ran over after coming out of the shop where they bought it, or were in such a hurry to finish eating and go purchase said product they choked on their dinner and died or they died from an aneurysm like that guy from the manga thread where Iihiko showed up and one-shot Anshin'in-san. As such, we can surmise Medaka killed someone in the real 3D world; something no one else on this chart can do, and I wager one that no one in all of fiction can do beyond The One Above All. Ergo, Medaka is the Strongest Character in Anime and Manga.
QED. Take that, Atheists.
>but if you can lock him out of the psyical plane for a small amount of time,
Except he can't, what don't you don't you get?
Honestly it's too crowded and too confusing at this point. And everyone always speaks up to add their own flavor of the month that are, at the end of the day, really insignificant.
Shit, what was the original point of this, again, really? I think we need to start from the base before getting anywhere else.
Remember that she is in the special tier anon
>You can't affect Demonbane, but if you can lock him out of the psyical plane for a small amount of time, you can keep him locked out with powerful emnough dementional powers.
There is a Demonbane with All Fiction
She's a parody character and her entire canon has no business on the chart.
True but if she isn't on the chart people will bitch that she isn't on there.
Demonbane is completely unaffected by the universe and it's rules. Even if you were to somehow lock him out he would just pop right in anyways because quite literally "fuck you he's Demonbane". There's a reason he's at the top of the chart and eating his settings omnipotent is just the cream filling on it...
>If you can completely cage the universe to something that doesn't support Demonbane, you can lock him out of the portion of the universe that has been affected.
>You can't affect Demonbane, but if you can lock him out of the psyical plane for a small amount of time, you can keep him locked out with powerful emnough dementional powers.
Except All fiction can not do this to Demonbane nor Affect Demonbane and it's abilities.
You simply are don't understand how Demonbane works
Wouldn't Getter Emperor be the strongest mech minus gods?
lol all I ever see demonbane shitposters do in these threads is tell other people they don't understand without actually arguing.
Are these people (or person) the reason why we don't do these charts anymore?
If Void Shiki were taken at her word she would be at the top.
why you do this to me nasu
Then put in a friggin parody/meta4thwall section.
Throw all the Umineko Medaka Excel Saga etc characters there
And the fags can be happy.
They and the Alucardfags are at least half the reason.
In the end, Xenogears >>>>> Your favorite animu, and that's all that matters.
I hope you don't mean at the top above everyone else. Akasha would be at the same level as all the God characters.
This should help.
I would think so. It's kind of a toss up for me between it and TTGL. I don't really mind it's placement.
When Madara is done powering up where is he going to go?
And in the multiverse, there is a dimentional power stronger than what that Demonbane's dimentional power is. Alucard can then absorb the said power.
It really is a neverending cycle of power gaining at that point.
After some ammount of consuming, possibly through Alchemy or reality magic, Alucard could transumte some of Demonbane into blood. Alucard is now as powerful as Demonbane.
The cycle litterally never ends.
Anyone with a power consuming ability can equal Demonbane.
Barely above Obito.
Underage people are not allowed here.
>all I ever see demonbane shitposters do in these threads is tell other people they don't understand without actually arguing.
Just because you don't understand what they are talking about doesn't mean they are shitposters you retard.
>Anyone with a power consuming ability can equal Demonbane.
You don't understand what Omnipotence is do you?
Akasha isn't a god though, it's a record of existence.
TTGL is really fucking strong, but unless I'm mistaken (because I understood nothing of Getter Emperor when I read Getter Robo saga) isn't Getter Emperor constantly absorbing Getter Rays and evolving for all of eternity? Eventually TTGL would be a speck compared to him.
>someone uses an acronym, call them underage
>say they exact same shit that post is pointing out
how does it feel to be this retarded
I do, and I'm saying that a form of it can be consumed, as it is given to those with a physical form that has blood.
Terrible chart indeed, ignoring the top half entirely I see Accelerator is way too high up the chart besting Izayoi, Alucard, EVA 01 and the second christ.
I know it's not an entity but is it not the equivalent to "God" in Nasuverse?
It's been a while since I brushed up on TTGL, but doesn't it basically do the same with spiral power? At least that's how I think I interpreted it at some point.
It's the framework upon which existence is built, meaning that existence couldn't continue without it, unlike a god (which could create reality and then disappear).
I'm taking that into account. There is litterally a neverending cycle of power gaining and replacers.
There is an infinate amount of Alucards with varying powers, and an infinte ammount of Demonbanes with differing powers.
At some point, Alucard starts consuming Demonbanes though, and it's possible that that could tip it in one direction
So who's this Myuugi chick and why is she so powerful? What's she from?
And since when the fuck is Battler, someone who can take infinite blasts from super cats each as powerful as a big bang without even messing up his hair.
How the hell is he so low?
TTGL's power isn't infinite. It's just that Simon is that strong of a spiral warrior. STTGL is the same way. It's scale is massive, but finite.
Granted, I'm only going with what anon said plus what I know of GL's canon. Given also that this chart is supposed to be "characters at their max potential", then yeah, Getter Emperor is above every mech here save Demonbane. I'd like to say Ideon but I forget what that fucker can do asides end all life in the universe and begin it elsewhere.
>All this fanwank
Yeah, I guess that's true. It always seemed to me though that spiral energy is something humans emit, and Simon only made TTGL because of that pool of Anti-Spiral matter turning into Spiral matter. While with Getter Emperor, Getter Rays are evolution and is the origin of all, so while Simon upgrades by attaching to robots and getting extra spiral energy, he needs some kind of source and it isn't infinite, even though it can get fucking huge, while Getter Emperor simply absorbs everything forever.
Wow, you are really pushing this Alucard thing super hard, aren't you?
Last time I checked, Alucard wasn't God, nor could he beat God in combat. Ergo, he couldn't hope to beat Demonbane. Simple as that.
this chart still needs to change unit 1 to pseudo-evolved unit 1 because it's the most powerful incarnation of it. And then probably raise it a bit.
Original anon that updated the chart here.
Here's an extended version I made.
People bitched about it being too cluttered so I moved some things and reshaped the bottom level.
So anyways, anything that needs fixing?
I fixed Yahari like people bitched endlessly and moved down
Myuugi is an Elder God in a circle of gods who hop from one universe to the other, regularly kill godlike beings and eat up entire universes to refill their mana.
She has a ring that autokills anyone that even things about potentially harming her.
She's retardedly powerful.
Reminder that powerlevel threads are not what a character can do but what a character has shown as destructive power.
Fanwanking how X can kill Y or is stronger than Y by doing W is irrelevant.
My opinion, move Antispiral above STTGL, and Getter Emperor above Antispiral.
You're trying to stack abilities onto Alucard that he doesn't possess. He's a quantum impossibility who had to deny Schrodinger in order to even become himself, again. His reality-warping doesn't exist on a scale where he can hope to compete against true omnipotents. The best he has is Omniscience, and that's not going to matter to someone that can will his existence away, will the possibility of his existence away, and will the IMpossibility of his existence away.
That's most of the people sitting in the top three rows, save for the Uminekos who are just over-celebrated storytelling tools. Hell, that's actually Yuki Nagato and some others among them.
I mean, how could he be scaled against GER? He'd be eaten alive before he could even "think" to exist within GER. Alucard is not top tier potential.
Demonbane and Tenchi need to be a lot higher.
This chart has Tenchi slightly higher than Demonbane. I call bullshit.
Can Othinus be moved up the reflect her powers as of NT9 already?
Should be slightly above Aiwass
Why is Illias on the list but Luka isn't? At the end of part 3, especially after he learns how to instantly quad summon in the last phase of the fight, he's the most powerful being on the planet, second only to boosted Illias. And if we're basing the chart off of destructive force, Luka's final Quad Giga was enough to completely erase Illias who was literally miles upon miles large at that point as she was constantly growing, and when she charged it was so powerful even Earth shook.
And he blew all of her apart. He's a god killer, master swordsman, has completely ridiculous physical abilities and senses, is a child of a Seraphim and Heinrich, and has mastered all four spirits. He'd at least be at Crowley's level.
Why did Ageha even made it to the chart? I'm a fan of Psyren but what's the point of having him there? I'm guessing he's just needed for comparison purposes.
My main point is that he could dimention hop to places that have gods with blood and that can't fight back, consume them, then move up.
I'm stacking abilities on him, because he has the potential to obtain them. I'm not saying Schrodinger's power is NEAR enough to take down anybody at a high level, but it IS enough to warp to a dimention that has a user of said power that has blood.
If left unchecked, he can go on par with Demonbane, not really beating him, but always consuming more of him. But if he gets squished when small, he's not that big.
Wait, that's the wrong version.
Fuck goddamn shit. I swear I moved Yukari down.
Nah, Antispiral is fine, although it lowered itself to STTGL's level, he still lost.
Getter Emperor is fine a the spot he's at.
Tenchi is a single pixel higher than Demonbane.
Or he's the same level, I can't remember.
Some anon wanted her in.
But what's Myuugi from? I'm always curious about the series where the top of the chart characters come from, they're always entertaining to check out.
Except that Alucard had to kill everyone of his souls except Schrodinger's. He CAN'T take in another soul, or else he'll just become abstract mathematics again.
>Getter Emperor is fine a the spot he's at.
The point raised by >>102232064 and >>102232006 are valid though.
Dunno which one.
The reason I added her is because people kept bitching that Myuugi kept making it at the top of nips powerlevel threads or some shit so I added her in.
Getter Emperor is infinite though. STTGL and Antispiral are power houses, but they have limits. Getter Emperor is infinite. He's the strongest mech bar Demonbane.
She repeatedly remade and unmade the universe she should be with the rest of the Omnipotents.
Cite for that? Been a while since I've read the mango fully.
Right on the fucking chart.
>Sakura kinomoto higher than RahXephon
Fuck no, change this please.
You need to designate that as Eternal Sailor Moon. The placement seems weird, but all the canons surrounding it are unfamiliar. I DO know she's supposed to be that high, but, again, unfamiliarity.
>Sakura tiering with Getter Emperor
If this is "what character has been shown to do" then she can't be that high. Her highest power is based on sheer potential of some of the cards in her arsenal (Erase, Sword, and I forget what else). She's never shown to BE god-like in any incarnation of her canon.
She needs to be way lower. Her feats are, again, a lot of fanon. She's powerful indeed, but not enough to rub shoulders near the Chousin or a fused shard of Dark Star and Flare Dragon.
Special Tier. They're storytellers. Everything they did was in a space that did not exist in reality. Most of it was jargon, bang, and flare used to try and drive story. They "potentially" have no destructive powers to speak of.
>Chaos Dragon Gaav
Should NOT be placing this high. He's formidable, but he's a bloody foot soldier of the Dark Lord Rubyeye, who easily dwarfs Gaav. Someone better speak up to justify this.
Also shouldn't be this high. Both ARE powerful, but their destructive potential is SEVERELY limited. Cities, yes. Continents is not possible for either entity, yet they're sitting shoulder to shoulder with planet busters.
>Son Goku this low
We know better. Fix this.
Can we please get rid of the fucking parody characters? Or if you're going to throw BS martial arts in there, where's the Ranma 1/2 lineup?
Actually, nevermind, doesn't matter, hop to dimension with dimensional warper that isn't bound to the same rules, consume said person, bail on schrodinger.
>Nah, Antispiral is fine, although it lowered itself to STTGL's level, he still lost.
Well, yea, Simon is the protag. Like you said earlier, it doesn't matter if x can beat y, its destructive power, Antispiral could've shat on STTGL but they wanted maximum despair by beating them at the same level. When STTGL lost, Antispiral man fought Simon at the same level but he brings in bs drill at the last second because he's the MC.
The reason why antispiral should be above is because antispiral fought on the same level as STTGL and its pilots. He could have easily crushed them if he wanted to but he fights on the same level because thats his/its/their? gimmick.
>Pikadron lower than Big O
She added on and removed Filters on the current universe, there is a big difference between that and constantly destroying the entire universe and remaking it.
It's more the ability to modify/edit the universe while she is using Gungnir, if you take in effect what she can do. she is still slightly below Omnipotent level.
>Turn A Gundam higher than Genesic GGG and Ultimate Gravion
This is a joke, right? And if we're adding mecha where is Ancient AQ from Evol? Or Gunbuster? At the very least someone should add the esper color to half of Emperor Zule's color bar.
Can demonbane create a square circle?
Yukari is fine and Goku is perfect where he is.
Also stop being butthurt about Momoyo.
Gaav destroyed a dimension containing a galaxy, Phibrizzo tanked a Giga slave. They are above TTGL due to their noncorporal nature.
was meant for >>102232861
If the question is, "Can Demonbane", the answer is probably yes. Which realistically makes him both infinitely powerful and infinitely weak.
No all they do in those threads is shout at each others and pull things of their asses.
They can be the most stupid people on /a/.
Atomsk should probably be on this chart.
Then add Luka, faggot. Please? Here's your image. Holy power/weapon user, and personally I think he's just at about, or slightly above Crowley. Or at the very least above Momoyo.
so you have no idea then
We shouldn't make cross universe charts to being with.
Disturbingly enough yes. Azathoth's omnipotence can be transferred to Demonbane via the Shining Trapezohedron, meaning it can do anything it wants so long as it wishes.
>Arceus that high.
Is Bellcross on this?
Demonbane can, there is a Demonbane that is capable of it.
What does a square circle look like?
>Gaav destroyed a dimension containing a galaxy, Phibrizzo tanked a Giga slave.
The novels? Or are you talking about the realm where Cepheed's mind was manifest?
Also, Phibby didn't tank the Giga Slave. Unless the novels run radically different, Lina's casting was an entirely different form from the one she used against Ruby Eye.
Unless I'm really just missing stuff out of the novels.
What articulate and validated responses.
Shouldn't RahXephon or at least his pilot Ayato be listed as a reality warper?
I watched slayers back when it was airing on local TV and I was a kid. Who the fuck is lord of nightmares and why is he/she/it that high?
I love how half the chart is Raildex characters.
Like Tien's Paradox Beam
Alright, will move him up then.
And what powers does Luka have?
Special + weapon?
Potential that can't be ignored etc.
People either place her too low or too high.
I'll move her a bit lower.
Moved Yukari lower.
Goku's fine, so are the Uminekos.
Removed Kawakami Momoyo.
Don't even know why she's on the list honestly.
Could you tell me where Chaos Dragon Gaav is? Can't seem to find him on the chart.
Just because you can catch him in a pokeball doesn't mean he's weak.
Can demonbane create a rock that demonbane can't lift?
>at will time stop
Yes because logic doesn't apply to Omnipotent Gods
Eien no Aselia/Seinarukana. The power of google:
Eien Shinken- Tier 1: Shukumei (Fate)
Wielder of the ring Tier 1 Eien Shinken, Shukumei.
It brings into reality whatever the wielder wants.
As it erases from existence whatever the wielder feels revulsion towards including universes, Myugi can no longer allow herself to feel anger or despair and because of that, she's tortured and troubled.
At the same time, Bobo, Temuorin, Iyaga and many other Eternals who coveted this power assembled and formed the faction known as the Law Eternals.
Amongst their number was her long lost brother, Tokuo.
Both of them were overjoyed at seeing each other again and Tokuo became Myugi's right hand.
The Law Eternals were doing well, gathering Mana and Swords at a favorable rate until Logas interfered.
Failing to gain the upper hand despite having gathered so much Mana, it wasn't unexpected that the frantic Law Eternals were about to commence their assault.
And then, when that was about to occur, all the Law Eternals besides Bobo, Temuorin, Iyaga and their underlings were obliterated from existence by Myugi.
The accumulated Mana had additionally, boosted Shukumei.
However, Myugi was terrified by this monstrous power and she crushed her own emotions.
Myugi became someone who feels and thinks nothing, and Shukumei, who understood that it was the cause of this, sank down into sorrow and grief.
It vowed to forever protect Myugi until the day she woke again.
Shukumei's defence is such that anything that bears even the slightest hostility or ill-will towards Myugi is instantly erased from existence.
For that reason, only Tokuo can approach her.
Once more, Temuorin and followers scheme to eliminate Myugi, but they will be wiped out by Shukumei without appropriate preparation.
Where would Bellcross' power be at? When he can destroy planets, or when he goes mad, supposedly able to destroy one universe but kill himself in the process
The playing field that the four universes take place on. She is their beginning and end and essentially big shit. I forget the particulars, though. But she's an omnipotent that is huge shit, in and outside of her own universe.
And then there's a demonblade that can lift the rock that the other demonblade can't lift.
>logic that fucks god doesn't apply to demonblade
Shouldn't be higher than Ideon. Between it and Turn-A I suppose
But the god in that comic failed to create a rock that he couldn't lift. It's not that he ignored logic, it's that he failed.
S2-Engine Eva is too high. It's basically as strong as a run-of-the-mill Angel because all Angels have the same shit it does. Anything that can take out its core and pierce its A.T. Field can defeat it.
Yes, but Demonbane can create a version of it that can lift it.
Because it's not infinite, and without it she is fucked. Also there are things that can counter it. Remember, this is based on raw power not who wins in a fight.
This series sounds interesting. Here's her younger brother.
Eien Shinken Tier II (Kokuu) Emptiness
Origins - unknown
Appearance - setting of the story
Myugi's younger brother. Became an Eternal after searching for her after a lifetime's seperation.
After that, he became her strongest follower.
Holds brutal amounts of power, capable of besting most Eternals but he rages against being unable to beat Logas himself.
Ever since his sister crushed her own emotions, he's been her constant companion and despite loathing Temuorin and Shun, he is satisfied just to be with his beloved sister.
By merging with spacetime, he nullifies attacks that depend on the laws of physics.
Holds the power to cut through all substances including spacetime.
that's why I keep saying in every one of these fucking threads that unit 1 needs to be changed to pseudo evolved unit 1 but it never happens
Omnipotents don't fail unless they do so on purpose anon.
Being all powerful isn't that hard to understand you know?
...All I can say to you is that even though it is done so by Demonbane, it is the product of a Cthulhu Mythos deity and would probably destroy your mind if you were to ever observe it.
It's mostly soul power which can do reality warping iirc.
Demonbane isn't actually that omnipotent.
In its story, there is one antagonist Demonbane never managed to defeat no matter how hard it tried to defeat it and the antagonist happens to be named Nyarl.
Even Demonbanefags cannot deny this fact.
Nanaya Shiki is stronger than void Shiki (female).
He can see the death of anything, both living and dead.
But if she was made upset because of the ring, why didn't it erase itself from existence?
Novels are different, I'm almost positive that Phibrizzo tanked a giga slave.
Yeah in Ceiphied minds, it contained a entire Galaxy, Gaav destroyed it.
>Goku's fine, so are the Uminekos.
If they have to be there, tier Oyashiro/Hanyuu up there and put her above, since her influences really DO take place in reality.
>Could you tell me where Chaos Dragon Gaav is?
To the direct right of Bills, on the far left side.
It is because being "all powerful" is a contradiction, which is what that comic inadvertently demonstrates. Claiming that something is all powerful and then demonstrating its limitations is just a demonstration of its limitations with the label of omnipotence.
right there. In terms of mortal/non-god characters, he's a monster.
Well whatever it is, its more than just "weapons user" Good to see someone else cares.
Yuki is not that fucking high, even with Haruhi's power, she is universal level and slightly ftl, she doesn't belong above any FTL character.
Reborns Gundam is a step below Genesic GaoGaiGar? Genesic GaoGaiGar is the god of destruction, and Reborns..is, well...not.
lol, Void Shiki is the origin of everything that has ever and will ever exist given self-awareness and agency. Tohno doesn't even compare.
Jack Rakan should be a bit below Evangeline. He could surely take on an EVA unit 01; he once took on an Elder Dragon God to a standstill, and that thing was like 300 feet tall.
Bwt, there's a grammar error in the power chart section where it says physical power.
Yeah, but it's stated to basically be semantics.
>Magic God Othinus had the ability to create, so she was technically not destroying anything. This may have been a change brought about by adding a new phase into the world. Nevertheless, it was blatantly obvious what the scene before Kamijou’s eyes would produce. It was the same as referring to the utter destruction of a luxurious palace as “creating a pile of rubble”. This was undeniably a torrent of destruction.
Adam Blade should be same or possibly higher than 2nd christ. At his strongest, he absorbed the angel aliens putting him on par with 2nd christ abilities, but he also had stigmata which 2nd christ may or may not have had
A lich with no extraordinary magic. In the realm of magic girls, it's no question that she'd be a formidable opponent. But she's not touching a vast majority of this list in destructive power. The best she can do is steal and set off nukes. That places her as a city buster.
From the sound of it, Shukumei and Myugi have a really close relationship, so I don't think she can get angry at it, much less want to will it out of existence.
Just imagine in the neverending cycle of being and not being able to do something there must and there are two Demonbane that represent and number k+1 so great that all other Demonbanes are just trash, those two (that can and will not be necessarily the same) lock the system, making the same (That should be the correct thing) for every field/level you get Othinus.
>Omnipotents don't fail unless they do so on purpose anon.
Which the god in that comic tried. He was tasked with making a rock he would fail to lift--and wasn't able to do so.
War God Demonbane never got own by Nyarl
He did make a rock that he couldn't life. But he did lift it. Why? Because omnipotence couldn't possibly make sense to mere mortals.
The problem is that in some series it's always a human the one who tells what their power rabge is/
Nyarlathotep itself is an extension of Azathoth and the Outer Gods so even sealed it can come out to play. Demonbane doesn't mind because he can literally defeat it just by staring at it, and Nya is Demonbane's biggest fan anyways.
Say /a/, I fixed a few errors with the chart! At the very least Emperor Zule needed the modification.
Not just "to mere mortals," it doesn't make sense at all. You can't just go "logic doesn't apply" unless you're trolling.
If he lifted it that means he didn't create a rock that he can't lift anon. It doesn't matter how mystical or godly or transcendent the god's logic is, even from our lowly earthly plane, we can understand from simple causality that god lifting the rock means that it was not a rock that god couldn't lift.
So you are effectively saying while Othinus is wielding Gungnir she a omnipotent god?
Nanaya Shiki's MEOD is stronger. It doesn't matter if void shiki is stronger as a concept (much like Madoka is stronger than lots of characters in that list as a concept). In practice, she's not stronger than Nanaya.
>Doing Mao Dante, RahXephon, and Pikadron justice
But it did beat Nya in Kishin Hishou which was never translated.
>Fucked up the STTGL Antispiral Getter Emperor placements
I'll have to reread. But I have to debunk the galaxy theory. It's magic space, not a reality. While the contents can't be questioned, the scale most-certainly can. The Water Dragon King wasn't exactly sitting at its strongest at that point, either.
I mean, Gaav is an exceptionally strong Mazoku, but being completely real: This is one of the entities that was brought to a stalemate in the War of the Monster's Fall. And humanity was never wiped out in that war, nor brought to the brink. The scale of Mazoku destruction and even influence was cut short, and their strongest trump card (the Magnus Ruby Eye shard) was sealed away. Again, an entity that Gaav couldn't touch in terms of destructive scale.
I can't see Gaav or Phibby being high enough, at the least, to sit next to Bills, who most-definitely is a planet buster.
Can you at least not fuck it up?
Void Shiki doesn't use MEODP. She's the akashic root. In practice she wouldn't even have to lift a finger to erase Tohno from existence.
Going only by what she said, and not what Nasu said, of course, as what Nasu said leaves her powers completely up in the air.
Logas of Destiny
Eien Shinkei Tier 1 Unmei (Destiny)
Leader of the Chaos Eternals.
Gained recognition amongst the Law Eternals after he single handedly battled against them.
Battles with weapon in his right hand but truth is, he's left handed.
In the Law and Chaos factions, there appears to be nothing that surpasses Unmei.
He destroyed Bobo's lower half, delivered a life-threatening blow to Tokuo who was merged with spacetime and stopped Takios' blade with a single hand.
Tokuo was driven to insane rage by this while Logas gained Takios' respect as an enemy.
Having beaten just about every Law Eternal around, Logas' name is universally cursed by them.
Although he's always laughing, it is because he lacks anger and sadness in his emotions.
Many find it eerie that he utterly lacks a sad or angry face.
He quietly awaits his destiny that he already knew since long before.
What got fucked up?
No, i was just stating that for every demonbane there is a antidemonbane so he gets 50/50 probabilities
Nah. I'm not that other guy, I was just pointing out the whole "Creation/Destruction" thing is essentially just a technicality.
She's certainly not omniscient, which means she can't be omnipotent. She has 100% success in every situation, but probability fuckers are common.
I'd place her just below the top rank of guys probably.
You can't debunk the size, you have no legitimate proof. Calling it magical space is not reasoning enough.
There is alot of things that should wipe out humanity, any kind of energy over a few gigatons alone should be enough to kill every living thing on the planet, but we don't say Dragonball characters can't blow up countries because it doesn't kill everyone on the planet.
Question for those in this thread.
Who has the single largest most damaging attack in an anime?
Would it be Anti-Spirals infinity big bang storm?
I know you all say demonbane is the answer to everything but does he actually use a larger attack in the anime?
Observer of Samsara Bobo
Eien Shinken - Tier 2 (Mugen)
Wields time manipulation abilities greater than those of Tokimi.
Not only can he see the past but he can also retroactively affect it as well as time travel, but he rarely does this due to the massive impact in has on the world.
Through compression of time, he can create moments that last for close to eternity.
Also, if he were to be completely annihilated, and that very instant, his existence would return to the point of his oldest memory and he would carry on living.
At locations where his claws rend, space and time become dissociated from each other.
He can use the temporal difference in his surroundings to defend against attacks.
You mean attack that has shown? or attack can technically can be used?
Unless the MiH counts as a move, I don't think so.
What does that have to do with anything? Yuki has pitiful defenses, her only saving grace is being slightly faster then light, even if she does have universal fire power, it doesn't help her that most FTL characters could kill her before she even processes a though.
Anime demonbane is, hilariously enough, NOT the Demonbane that /a/ knows and talks about. Anime Demonbane can't pull half the shit discussed here.
And to answer your question the single largest most damaging attack was pulled off by Kyoani when they did Endless Eight.
The problem is that someone brings the fucking autist that goes all ''AT FIELD IS POWER FROM THE GODS!!!'' and shit and never ends.
No, no, I mean what power alignment she has?
Lowered Gaav a bit.
Is it low enough?
I wish people realized this.
Here's the Elder God Demonbane that always tops tier lists.
Can Demonbane make a version of himself that exists in our world?
Giga Slave, however Lina focuses the attack so well that it only destroys its target. If miscast it blows up the entire universe.
Doesn't help that most people above univeral level are immune to most forms of conventional damage.
>the gray color for weapons user is nearly the same for soul power
>one character has both
Oh god I'm crying
Didn't meant to quote.
Sorry about that.
Regular attacks by Wargod Demonbane can collapse entire universes.
Just go by what pseudo evolved unit 1 is shown as capable of in the movie then, it's still higher than S2 powered unit 1.
Can someone explain to me how Reborns Gundam got on that chart? Seriously. Something like 00 Qan[T] should be on there.
Just a little thing but Adam Blade should also have divine being in his power colour, he makes two amazing wishes as god which changes the world
The earthquake in Japan back in 2011 had over 9000 (yes, i'm sorry) gigatons of TNT equivalent energy.
The earth is more stable than people give it credit for.
>''AT FIELD IS POWER FROM THE GODS!!!''
It's just a barrier of existence that is defined by id/ego/superego. There are no gods in Evangelion.
Regardless, an AT Field really is fuck-powerful.
Seems about right. You can place Phibrizzo (he's touching the boarder of the special tier on the bottom) a bit above him and that'd be pretty accurate.
I'll track and reread the novels, then. But that galaxy-in-a-box bit never sat well with me, no matter who pulls it off.
My point about mentioning humanity is, given the scale of power you're giving Gaav, with other Mazoku in their standing, there shouldn't have BEEN a humanity left, protection from dragons or no.
Can anyone explain why Giorno and Kenshiro are so low?
They're both from series with ANTI Power Level shit. MAGIC MUST DEFEAT MAGIC rules.
Non-stand users can't see or interact with stands, and you need some kind of omniscient bullshit to even rationalize their existence. So even weak stand users like Rohan or Hol Horse could devastate people at the top of this list like Tenchi.
Kenshiro, if you watched Hokuto, you'd know he is on another plane of existence. He can only be harmed by those on his level of enlightenment which is why he phases through people and objects.
Where's your trip chartfag
Not really. Eva 01 from EoE is still its strongest rendition.
He's pretty much near the top.
Move Kenshiro into special tier please, he doesn't belong on the normal chart cause no one on there can harm him let alone even shake hands with him
>There are no gods in Evangelion.
Technically, a being with the Fruit of Life and Knowledge combined has the ability to completely alter space-time. While they may not be the strongest of gods, they are still gods.
Yuki is way to high, she is not tangoing with Multiversal characters.
TTGL and STTGL are too high
Rei Magnus, Phibrizzo and Gaav are too low.
Magnus should be on the same level as STTGL, Phibrizzo is above TTGL but below STTGL, and Gaav should be slightly below TTGL
Since when is Sailor Moon multiversal?
Who called for me?
Anon, you seem to be forgetting this is about raw power, not about who wins.>>102234634
Yes, but he's invisible.
Someone wanted it there, added a bunch of mecha.
My mecha powerlevel is ridiculously low
Where would Qan [T] fit in this?
Also got any good image of that mecha?
Forgot to add soul power to Raxhephon, so that's done too.
Remind me, why is Shichika on the list? And above Homura?
Only when it combined with Rei. Before that, it wasn't any stronger than an Angel.
I'm saying JoJo characters need a tier of their own because of how stands work. Retardedly weak and insignificant stand users can beat the most over powered characters simply because of non-stand users can't see or interact with stands
Any Gundam is automatically below Turn A.
Quanta has moon level destructive abilities and can teleport around space.
Which was my whole point.
As a gundam fan who watched the 00 movie I wouldn't rank higher than Alucard, all it does is have flying blades and teleports.
Thats not a excuse to depowering a feat, the Shizoku took part in the war, people on the same level. There fights would take place in the Astral plane rather then the human plane.
Put Kenshiro in special tier already we've argued this so many times he doesn't belong on the list
Almost a large building buster. Homu needs to stock up on weapons to do her thing. Her strongest will be with a nuke. Which is kind of retarded because that requires prep as she doesn't just have nukes sitting around in her back pocket
Othinus seems kind of low for a universal character...
>Magnus should be on the same level as STTGL
1/7th of Ruby Eye
>Any Gundam is automatically below Turn A.
Bull, upper level CE gundams and most gundams from the AD timeline would take out Turn A.
>Can't be harmed
>Can shoot beams of enlightenment and existence at people
That sounds like special tier to me
>Since when is Sailor Moon multiversal?
>He hasn't read the manga
Get started, anon. It's great.
/m/ is helping in case anybody cares.
It can teleport inside the molecules of people and explode out of them
QanT is pretty ridiculous
Who are the top 5 martial artists on this list?
Dark History Turn A can teleport a fucking colony laser into your cockpit. What are other gundams suppose to do about Moonlight Butterfly?
Where's Funny Valentine and Popeye?
And why is Kenshiro so low?
They would just complain about the lack of touhou
So where's Genjou Sanzo? Since he can do this and better than Kenshirou.
1/7th of Ruby Eyes also tanked a Giga Slave, should be above Phibrizzo. Ruby Eyes only died because of he started to respect Lina. He said something along the lines of "While I can heal from this attack, I will give you the satisfaction of killing a piece of Ruby Eyes."
Its also strongly hinted that Lina posses a piece of ruby eyes and he allowed himself to be killed because of that.
They just use a beam saber, fly up to the cockpit and jam it in. Plus Loran sucks ass at piloting.
Nigga no. They couldn't even put together a good villain quotes set. And they'd grind this to a halt, whining about why their diaper head 2hus aren't all on the omnipotent tier with Demonbane, and picking troll fights with the Indexfags.
Still, /jp/ would at least know their shit. /m/ is useless outside of /m/ related characters.
No it can't and it never did this at all with any opponent.
chart maker is a faggot thats why
>Lilith up there whose only ability is being really big
>/m/ is useless outside of /m/ related characters.
no fucking shit that's why they're helping
Apparently she's OP as fuck after Disappearance or something.
TTGL and STTGL are fine.
Moved Phibrizzo a bit with Gaav too.
Because he's awesome.
Homura's power is simply to add bullet fire. She doesn't really stop time as much as simply accumulate shots or make them more accurate.
She's not dio where she can just stab a fucker to death while in time stop.
Oh boy, I'll take their imput then.
Argh, but that'll mean I'll have to extend the goddamn special tier again.
And just for this one faggot too.
Alright, I'll add him. Give me a few minutes or so.
Why is Yukari lower than the TTGLs, she's a multi-dimensional reality warper.
Huh, I don't remember /jp/ being that bad.
>Be Wing Zero
>Be Piloted by Shinn
Only a few select autists. The /v/ powerlevel chart would have had half 2hus if it weren't for the guy restricting it only to 5 characters.
That's retarded when Reimu is in normal.
And even something like Chouginga GL can target all points in space and time to annihilate his ass.
>Can travel at the speed of light
Good luck using a beam saber on an interstellar Gundam that flies on being beam proof and regenerates from any damage (even resurrecting the pilot). Don't compare your puny war engines to the thing that wiped all tech from Earth to Jupiter.
They aren't. You can count with one hand the number of 2hus that are even close to be considered omnipotent, he's just talking out of his ass.
>Argh, but that'll mean I'll have to extend the goddamn special tier again. And just for this one faggot too.
Don't do it, Kenshiro doesn't deserve special tier.
>Demonbane still 1 pixel lower than Tenchi
I have never watched Tenchi. Is there a reason for this?
>1/7th of Ruby Eyes also tanked a Giga Slave
Now we really ARE going into the realm of ridiculous. That didn't happen. It never happened. No human sorcerer every tried to construct a spell with the golden power before Lina because the majority of them were chickenshit sane. So unless the dragons were really free-handed with wanton attempts to destroy the universe, or I just missed the part about Magnus's revival, that didn't happen.
FUCK why did I stop on the novels when I had a shot to finish them off. Either way, Rezzonigdo died to a Giga Slave. That fact cannot be ignored.
Do you have the most current /v/ chart on you?
It took weeks to regenerate from a fucking club attack from Eagil. Didn't you watch the damn series?
Surely you can think of 3 more characters to go into special tier
Infact I'll do it for you.
Buddha and Jesus from Saint Young Men
Funny Valentine is weak himself but D4C pretty much lets him get someone stronger to fight for him, multi dimensional hopping doesn't do much for raw power but makes you extremely powerful
Rohan can literally turn anyone into anything by writing "You are a nice dude" or something of that.
>Walpurgisnacht so damned low when, as far as is shown, it can't actually be destroyed by make of concept
>Gretchen nowhere in sight
It's not chartfag's fault. It's anon's.
He's talking about the Dark History Turn A Gundam that wiped out humanity with only using 20% of it's full power. Not the one piloted by a trap.
You're going to have to extend it eventually
Its that or take Kenshiro off because he's from a time where it was acceptable for characters to pull powers out of their ass on the spot.
I mean come on FUCKING KENSHIRO PUNCHES A DUDE SO HE COULD LEARN SANSKRIT
But if the laws of logic apply to an omnipotent being they aren't omnipotent since logic would restrict them.
You should really read the first light novel, the Ruby Eyes that Lina fought, after getting hit with the Giga slave, out right told her that he could heal himself from the attack, but he was going to give he the win.
>Homura's power is simply to add bullet fire. She doesn't really stop time as much as simply accumulate shots or make them more accurate.
>She's not dio where she can just stab a fucker to death while in time stop.
This is actually wrong. Her placement can't be argued, but her power really IS two-fold
- Stopping Time
- Stepping out of time's influence into another possible world where she exists and Madoka is still alive.
Is 009 worthy of the chart in any of his iterations? I'd think a little low tier.
Apparently I do not and I don't think the archive stores /v/ images. I only remember Kirby being special tier and Reimu being near the top.
Kenshiro really doesn't belong on the normal list, punching a dude in the right spot that makes them get over their insecurities and daddy issues is outright retard levels
Also I'd argue JoJo characters don't belong on their either because of how stands work
Walpurgisnacht has manifested as hurricanes and earthquakes. Considering some of the other destructive power on the chart, that's not very high.
You're welcome, /a/.
Dunno, people endlessly bitch to me that she has to be lower and this and that forever.
Please stop making my job harder.
It's already pretty fucking sad that the special tier more than doubled in size.
Argh, alright, alright, I'll do it.
Tenchi is a pure god.
He's literally concept itself.
/v/ has a powerlevel chart? Do they even have enough nigh-omnipotents to omnipotents beings? Most of their characters have to be below solar system since there aren't that many games that has high powerlevel.
>He's literally concept itself.
So wouldn't the writers of any anime be at the very top of this list because they wrote down the concept of tenchi
and this is why omnipotence is analytically impossible.
Technically they have quite a few powerful people, but they general don't get into crazy territory.
/v/ does have some heavy hitters. Especially if you conisder VNs games.
>FUCKING KENSHIRO PUNCHES A DUDE SO HE COULD LEARN SANSKRIT
>That one episode where Ken presses a pressure point that makes a dude want to go back to his family instead of beat people up
SMT I guess
VN should belong to /jp/, really.
Wait, I just remembered a robot that technically beats most of these mechs save Demonbane & Getter Emperor: Zeorymer.
Infinite energy source and instantly recovers all damage, not to mention it's scale of power was enough to easily vape the planet.
And the sequel to the manga made it even MORE broken.
How exactly were Aiwass and Othinus placed on this chart to begin with?
We have no idea what Aiwass is capable of and Othinus (with Gungnir) is effectively unbeatable (excluding the Omnipotent) with it's 100% success rate?
And /vg/ if they are made by English producers
Smashed Kakine version would beat Goku
>Smashed Kakine version
Kakine smashed version*
Why are characters from the 80s even on here?
Most of them are Pre-Crisis Superman tier, which if you don't know means they made up powers on the spot.
Not powers that make sense but literally shit like "YOUR CLOTHES ARE RED!" kind of powers.
If so, he's Getter Emperor level or slightly below.
Good thing this isn't "who beats who" chart huh?
>100% success rate
Anti-Spiral and TTGL's probability manipulation can reduce that to 0%
Should put Bai from dtb on this chart for her quantum manipulation.
I don't see anything indicating it isn't
Could One Punch Man One Punch Demonbane?
Except that Gungnir makes sure she has 100% success rate in EVERY situation regardless.
That actually doesn't help.
When it's reduced to 0%, she can do the opposite of what she wants to do and essentially get 100% back. That's how she made Gungnir in the first place.
Though it's apparently unpleasant and will eventually destroy her if she does it like that, so she prefers to use Gungnir.
Why is Rei so powerful? She's only just a really big thing. Her abilities only affect strands of life that came from Lilith. She wouldn't do shit if she came to a foreign world or something. Or even just an alternate Earth.
There's a Demonbane that is impervious.
Where would I be on the list?
>gungnir othinus vs Level six mazinger
Oh god the retarded probabilty
Nothing fucking beats a Ball.
Toonforce > normal powerlevels
Best question would be if he can beat The Mask or Loony Tunes characters
You're forgetting that absorbing the souls was just one part of its powers. Remember how Rei traveled back to the beginning of the show.
also needs atomsk
You shouldn't just rely on what people bitch about, I'll actually just state out the canon facts/speculations so you can make a decision yourself.
She can control and bend boundaries, which allows her to freely travel between dimensions including Heaven (it was presumed there are many heavenly realms and she went to Bhavaagra), and manipulate the borders physically or metaphorically. As an example, she united day and night, either the concepts or light itself.
Some of the names and descriptions from Grimoire of Marisa for her spell cards implies she's capable of attacking with metaphorical concepts.
The living chronicle of Gensokyo wrote that "manipulation of boundaries" is theoretically a godlike power which would allow Yukari to create or destroy anything, but that all the stories about it are impossible to confirm.
I mean I'm fine with where she is but in the same way fanon exaggerates Yukari, the TTGLs are also pretty exaggerated. At least fix her color as magic/reality warper.
Humor aside, perhaps, but it wouldn't matter. Assuming OPM can punch anything he wants and it works like Shiki on crack, he'd still have to connect, and Elder God Demonbane could just be a thing defined as "So fast OPM can't hit it" or some such bullshit.
At the very top, as any character capable of bullshit
So here's Kenshiro, added in the special tier.
Now I'm off to add these fuckers >>102235343 to make up for it.
Not to mention recalibrate the fucking chart.full of white shit on the right corner.
What's his powers alignment and how strong is he?
Also move Daitarn a bit lower, since /m/ bitched about it.
OPM has never been said to even have destroying everything in one hit as a power in-universe.
He just kills everything in one hit because he's that much stronger, but it's not an actual power. It's like saying I have the power to kill anything in one hit because I can crush an ant on the first try.
>so few mecha on the list
>Reborns Gundam of all the ones to choose from
Remove it due to not being notable at all (opposed to Getter and Demonbane at least)
Special power, he consumes galaxies.
It's anime, you are bound to have ridiculous characters.
Hey /a/, if God were real, how powerful a fictional character would he be able to think up?
Power Man Plus, and something to destroy both PMP and himself (but wouldn't)
tickles my autism every time.
Better question: if the christian god were real, where would he be on the chart?
/jp/ is like a bunch of different communities that have a tiny bit of overlap, but the touhoufags are notoriously dumb.
If Madoka is on the regular power chars, Homura should too.
The problem is you can't even rely on those, as the narrators themselves (Akyuu, Marisa, Aya) are unreliable narrators that fudge facts.
Solar systems, not galaxies, sorry.
can use this as a picture I guess
If all the gods of all religions were real. Based on feats, who is the most powerful?
Special tier or around Walpurgis. I can't remember what christian God did besides floods.
Same spot as Tenchi
>What's his powers alignment and how strong is he?
Do yourself a favor and ignore it. FLCL is almost pure meta.
Probably the hindu gods or something. Might be wrong on this.
Get rid of that Kakine and put this one right under Accel
Well, considering Demonbane is a mortal creation of the mind, and that, if God were real, he'd have created said mortals, umm...
Fuck, every single person combined in the chart, times infinity, apparently wouldn't even be .0000001% of His power, because we're still limited in our understanding of Omnipotence, being mortals in the first place.
Fuck, God would be pretty fucking OP if He were real.
Hindu god of war.
Qan[T] or Dark History Turn A should be on there. Reborns is cool and all but Qan[T] can teleport across galaxies and DHTA wiped out the solar system or technology with only a fraction of its power.
However I do admit, Qan[T] is a glorified expensive ass telephone to talk to aliens with.
Kakine has alot of survivability, but not alot of DC.
Why would he ignore it? Atomsk's powers are more explicitly outlined than half the characters on this chart.
Yukari is a low-mid reality warper at the very best. We haven't seen her done anything big with her powers. She's not close to being galaxy, much less near universal. Her power isn't without limits since, you know, she couldn't even beat da moon.
What he did in NT8 before becoming a volleyball was pretty impressive
Is Shichika really that strong? I mean he has quite a bit of physical strength and speed but could he really compare to the people who are close to him on the chart?
Am I the only one who thinks that Giorno is a little too high? I mean I know that GER is overpowered as fuck, but Giorno is still a normal ass human. Any old person with a gun could kill him.
If you are using AE you should say AE and not Arc. Arc loses to Gilgamesh according to WoG, so AE must be the version being used.
Probably the highest
There's a passage in the bible that states if God descended onto the earth he would destroy everything with his presence alone
That and jesus is supposed to defeat everything at once by saying a word during revelations
This argument has been had a billion fucking times and never makes any goddamn progress because touhou is so vague that assigning powerlevels to any of them is silly in the first place.
Eh, wings the size of a small island still aren't all that great.
His strategy is to just wait for his opponent to get exhausted trying to kill him. Of course if what he said in NT 6 is true, he could just make an army of Accelerators or any kind of Esper he wants eventually.
No, his stand works even when time is erased. Not even the Flash could beat him.
I thought it was Buddhism.
still waiting for Bai with Quantum Power
can manipulate subatomic particles
Meta, glorifies stepping on the boarder of the fourth wall, and wasn't meant to be taken seriously in the least. It's like putting Bugs Bunny on the chart. And we've enough Bugs imitators as is.
We go by canon and canon has spoken. Take it up with ZUN if you disagree
GER works outside of time and space. It works even if the user's dead. Flash can't do shit.
Except that Atmosk's powers never break the fourth wall so the show's tendency to do so isn't relevant to the placement of the character.
Speedforce is beyond time and space nigga.
Besides, if the two were to fight, Flash speedblitzes him before he can register that the fight began.
I did mention they were canon speculation. Akyuu can't actually falsify and her statement was purely interpretive.
But da moon were really shown off as broken pieces of shit, being able to make a fan that can atomize shit and whatnot.
Canon has said nothing about Yukari's limits. If her power has no limits, that's omni-everything tier, but there's no way to know for sure. She lost to the moon a long time ago, but maybe she was weaker then, or they were stronger. The manga just shows her distracting them so that she can have revenge by stealing some moon booze.
Well I'm pretty sure he could take Hoenheim. Homura, not sure
GER works even if the user is dead. What don't you get.
Flash kills Giorno in 10^-gorillion second, GER activates, returns action to zero. You can't surprise or speedblitz GER.
The series on a whole does everything I just mentioned. And Atomsk is never detailed in the manner that most of the people on the chart are. He was the MacGuffin of the series to keep other characters in place and move events along.
He's not something that should be quantified on this chart.
So you're telling me it activates on it's own without the user's consent?
Did you watch the show? He's detailed explicitly by Amarao. And like I already said, it doesn't matter what the series' tendencies are if the character in question is an exception to those tendencies, which Atomsk is.
There is no activation time because time doesn't exist to GER.
Requiem stands have their own will.
Of course she has limits if she has failed to do something with her own power. Theories are nice, but they don't hold up.
In a contest of power, Toyohime is implied to be stronger and isn't a person Yukari can beat head on. Toyohime's fan is considered a weapon of mass destruction for being able to destroy an entire forest. Let's face it, Touhou's scale isn't that huge.
The man didn't go into explicit detail (as in HOW Atomsk steals star system, how he gets about, if he's impervious, etc etc etc). He gives a rough explanation and then goes on to fingerpoint at Naota. Atomsk is less of a being and more of a plot carrot for Naota and that damn psycho whose name currently evades me because I'm that fucking tired.
Atomsk can teleport large masses, and his presence lifts objects just by being within a few miles. He's explicitly able to "move entire star systems." His power is extremely well defined considering the rest of the chart.
>as in HOW Atomsk steals star system, how he gets about
He teleports things through his head, like every other use of N.O. in the series. He moves by absorbing his own body into it to zip off at high speeds. It's there in the final episode.
He does go into detail though: Atomsk pulls solar systems into a pocket dimension that exists between the two hemispheres of his brain, ie: N.O. The mechanics of the power are consistent with what happens to Naota throughout the show and don't break the fourth wall so I don't see why the character can't be included.
That's a pretty stupid argument because you are heavily playing into a single interaction.
Yukari could probably just drop a thousand nukes into whatever she wants with simple teleportation, yet Toyohime is implied to be stronger. It's not because she can break down a forest to the molecular level.
Character A loses to Character B. Character B can defeat an ant. Therefore Character A is weaker than an ant.
He's a gravity well. That's so damned defined that my mind just caved in on itself.
I don't think you understand the meaning of the phrases you're trying to use to defend your point. This is Alucard fanwanking all over again.
I just think touhou should be off the chart since there are no serious battles in it since PC-98
I swear there is one flashfag that always posts this picture
how can the flash perceive events that last less than an attosecond when 12 attoseconds is the shortest measuable period of time?
You wouldn't question it if Demonbane could percieve an attosecond, would you?
>He's a gravity well.
It's not just "move" in the sense that he's heavy and things fall to him. He can teleport objects instantly. This power is used several times in the series. Am I being trolled?
3 x 10^8 m/s is also the fastest anything can go in the real world, but that doesn't stop comic book characters from regularly going billions of times faster than light.
Have you gotten past high school?
Something can exist without being able to measure it. Are you saying atoms didn't exist until humans could confirm its existence?
Not only that but it's heavily implied that he somehow stores the power of what he channels with N.O. when Amarao says he steals galaxies, with the name "pirate king", and the sheer physical power he displays when he starts ripping the city up at the end.
That's not explicit though so I can understand not considering it for the chart. The face remains that it's explicitly stated that he can telepathically consume solar systems.
Alright, moved some stuff and added characters into the Special Tier and made it less empty.
Anything else before I decided to just kill myself?
Holy fuck guys stop saving these charts as JPG. There are so many artifacts and stuff in this and l ast months charts as soon as you zoom in it look like its 1998 and my 56k modem is buzzing away.
Try to keep it in PNG or at least not in max compression JPG.
Your friend, /g/.
christ that resaved jpg quality
No one from Gensokyo including Character A can beat cCharacter B. Character B can defeat everyone from Gensokyo and Character A. Character A is weaker than Character B.
But to the point, I'm taking about scale of powers. They aren't huge as we have seen in canon materials. Lake, forest, mountains.... Tiny compared to cosmic scale.
Probably never will get one anymore. ZUN being vague and imply serious or not for the purpose of fueling doujin works and fanfics. But even from that, it's possible to measure and give us an idea about the powerlevel in the series.
>Holy fuck guys stop saving these charts as JPG. There are so many artifacts and stuff in this and l ast months charts as soon as you zoom in it look like its 1998 and my 56k modem is buzzing away.
>Try to keep it in PNG or at least not in max compression JPG.
>Your friend, /g/.
We have already been over why it's saved as a JPG. We don't need anymore input from /g/
He is measuring it though, did you not read my fucking sentence?
It says it cant be measured, yet he can perceive it. are you retarded?
add pai damn it
telepathic subatmoic particle creation/destruction/manipulation
>scale of powers
Nobody with any high amount of power has gone all out in canon.
Can you write the second half of your post in English?
This isn't just JPG, its also set on really shitty compression ratio.
Might as well safe it as a GIF it would still take up less space and look better than this garbage.
Fictional characters can break the laws of physics, wow. That hasn't been happening for thousands of years.
Wait, why is one of the psychic midgets called Akira? Is there a power level thread joke that I'm not getting?
You must be really fucking retarded holy shit.
It means Flash > current level of science you underage retard.
We haven't seen the full extent of his power, but that's true of a lot of them. There's at least a good estimate of it too, since Amarao didn't say "galaxies" or something. We know he can at least transfer the mass of a few stars at once to totally different locations.
The placement of Othinus seems a bit off considering that the above is true
Alright, how high should she be?
Have you seen the movie?
akira merged down with tetsuo should be special tier
Tenchi that high is retarded.
Even in his own series he's just theorized to be a God and original creator of the bottle. And we don't know what lies beyond the bottle.
As it is now he's just a semi-omnipotent reality warper.
Nothing on the tier of Demonbane or Yami Eve.
Why is Hibiki above Aqua?
10 pixels above unit 1
I forgot a lot of what happened, but weren't the midgets separate from Akira? The guy pictured is Masaru.
How can the flash perceive events that last less than an Attosecond, yet it says he can think at the speed of light? and if he can think faster than the speed of light, then why use a limiting example like that?
Nope. As of Rebellion she's a true God.
Homura reshaped the universe using just a part of her power.
also for her title: Bai/Xing/BK-201
Because he's talking to people and that's a thing you can say to people to explain.
Remove Kumagawa. All Fiction ain't anything special when half the people in the chart have an ability exactly like All Fiction and then some more and Kumagawa ain't close to being nor deserves to be in the same special class as Medaka much less Iihiko.
Yukari's a magic user/reality warper
he's there because bookmaker
Meaning 12 attoseconds is the shortest measurable period of time for everyone but the flash, in his universe less than 12 attoseconds is still measurable in some way, even if only by him, so why say that 12 attoseconds is the smallest while giving an example that states less can be perceived?
im not even arguing the time, im arguing the example
Wheres SSJ4 Goku / Gogeta?
You actually had Sakura right before.
With the full clow deck she is literally god.
She would mop the floor with Giorno or Enrico
But he also, in the same sentence, uses "less than an Attosecond" as an example
Why would he just dumb down one example but not the other?
My feelings exactly. At least with Demonbane we know exactly how bullshit ridiculous OP he is/can be. With Tenchi... It's just theorized and even then it isn't on the same level.
Just drop it Marvel characters are just bad written and it doesn't help there 50 writters going at it
What were her feats again? I don't think she's even fast enough to react to anything supersonic.
>hurr FLCL is light hearted so Atomsk can't be on the list
You're only saying that shit because you know he (Or Atomsk.Naota, or Canti, or even fucking Haruko) could kick the shit out of your edgy snowflakes like Alucard.
We know Atomsk can nuetralize Solar-System sized entities, meaning he'd shit all over the bottom half of the list.
She's still a concept. And the world was reformed to adjust to the fact a fraction of that concept was taken away.
calm down anon he's on the chart now
I personally get the feeling that Myuugi would eat the guy for breakfast, considering how stupidly destructive she is, and even if she can't wipe him out with her erase all power, she can easily just wipe out all his universes.
Concept or not, her effect on the world is still measurable. She was able to rewrite the universe with her potential ability, and she still apparently exists, so she's probably still got that power.
Her feats and her potential are two different arenas of discussion. And she'll never eclipse Mokona.
He's on the list.
I'm just unsure where to place him though.
He's right in the middle, you can't miss him, next to Eucliwood.
But wouldn't there be a Demonbane faster than The Flash?
Oh, forgot to mention I added pai.
Of course it's mesureable. Her wish involved rewriting the physical laws of the universe in order to allow for a brand new universal concept. It's not hard to fathom or imagine.
But she STILL has no DIRECT effect on the world outside of Puella Magi themselves.
Homura, on the other hand, DOES have an effect and direct influence on the world as of Rebellion.
The point here is the power is meaningless if its actions cannot be defined. If you need to define Madoka's "power", you're better off stating the power of Ultimate Gretchen, or Kiriemhild Gretchen.
Hell, there's a Demonbane that is the flash.
A Touhou weaker than Yukari is faster than Flash.
/co/ fags are just retards.
He regularly gets his ass kicked by a dude with a boomerang and another dude with cold shooting gun.
I think you got his placement right. Just above arc (auto-win on Earth) and below Goku (greater than solar system sized destructive power)
There would be. But it wouldn't even need to be so. When you encompass everything, the need to move from one place to another kinda ceases to exist. Speed is a trivial concept.
Could you change the date? It's misleading.
Wouldn't there be a Demonbane that can erase the Speed force?
Wouldn't there be a Demonbane that makes it so that Speed Force cannot be used as a power?
The fastest Touhous I know of still aren't as fast as the speed of light, did I miss some new one?
True, but isn't this chart supposed to be everyone at their full potential/power?
If not then, yes I would agree with you.
Who? Kaguya? Youmo?
What Touhou can move several trillion times faster than the speed of light? The Flash has no limits because writers are bad at math.
If he was on the list,where would he be?
Tenchi Muyo's whole setting is just a single universe divided into 12 dimensions.
The whole point of Chousins looking for the Kami was to find what is beyond their tiny world.
In Eien Shinken terms Kami Tenchi would be just one of the many local gods. And these guys get eaten by powerful Eternals.
That's not how Void Shiki works. Even as Void Shiki, she is not even capable of fighting anyone on a Servant tier. Tohno's dad fought someone of that caliber with no magical reinforcement.
His power can apparently extend out to steal entire Star Systems, meaning he has to potential to banish your ass to another dimension from JUPITER if he thought your star looked nice.
Basically, your character would have to be able to detect him from solar-system sized distances, AND be able to respond fast enough with huge amounts of destructive force, OR be able to escape alternate dimensions to be able to beat him in a 'fight'. He'd certainly be above Lilith/Rei Ayanami, whose power seems to only affect a single planet, while the radius of Atomsk's ability means he can suck up solar systems like they were nothing. And he can zip around in hyperspace under his own power.
>Tenchi Muyo's whole setting is just a single universe divided into 12 dimensions.
How does that work?
Yes and Yes
She moves at speeds that don't exist. Much faster than instant. To the point she can appear in many places and dimensions at once.
Then why are there multiple entries for TTGL? That suggest whoever made it was just thinking of TTGL as a big robot, and then STTGL as a bigger robot, but they're the same thing. TTGL's powers let it grow like that.
So what happens when there's a demonbane that's not demonbane?
Same with a demonbane meant to defeat demonbane.
Not quite the same, she literally exists in two places at once.
Oh, yeah, good idea.
Yeah, according to Nasu. According to Void Shiki she'd be able to remove the concept of servants from existence. According to Nasu we have no idea how Void Shiki works, except that she couldn't win an offensive fight against a servant. That said neither Tohno can't even win a defensive fight against a servant; that tier is left to Arc, Ciel and Ryougi.
>If we take her speed to actually be 2808 * 10^5 km/hr, and approximate light speed as 3*10^8, then she moves at exactly 26% the speed of light.
Couldn't Demonbane summon Demonbane Who Contains All of Tenchi's Powers, But Stronger?
uhh I kind of combined two sentences at the end of that post.
What I was trying to say was that according to Nasu, Void Shiki can survive a defensive fight against a servant and Tohno can't. That said, Void Shiki not being able to instantly remove the concept of a servant from existence contradicts what she herself says, so the particulars of her powers are ambiguous if you choose to take Nasu's word over the canon in KNK.
and the image quality worsens again
please keep doing this until it's illegible
That's Youmu, not Kaguya.
Take done Tenchi already mayn. If it is about pure destructive power and we've not even seen anything of that kind from a being not even being show as being multi or even omniversal how can you put him that high without fanwanking. At least from the others we know the ridiculousness behind them (and understand there's no way of understanding the full extent of it).
Yes, because Tenchi is limited to such a small universe.
That's what I was thinking. It just feels like tenchi is all about fan wanking.
Why is LoN higher than Narukana when Narukana could destroy her and her 4 universes in an instant?
She's the ultimate destroyer.
Couldn't Demonbane summon
Demonbane With The Powers of all Anime Characters Ever Created By, Ever Will Be Created By, Will Never Be Created By All Earths That Have Existed, Will Exist, And Will Never Exist?
Saber is too low, she should be slightly lower than gilgamesh.
yes that's why he's at the top
No, because contradictions will arise, and materialization of contradictions is not a function of power.
Couldn't Demonbane summon
Demonbane Without The Powers of all Anime Characters Ever Created By, Ever Will Be Created By, Will Never Be Created By All Earths That Have Existed, Will Exist, And Will Never Exist?
>Thinking Demonbanes care about Paradoxes
Demonbane will just summon Demonbane With The Power To Dispel Paradoxes And Contradictions. Whether or not it can exist is irrelevant.
japan is way better at this than you guys
there's another one for antagonists i think but i'm too lazy to look for it now
Hahaha No. go play CCC and F/HA, Gilgameshs destructive power is a tier above hers
Yes he can
You guys do know that Yami Lilith is omnipotent God + 1 and Yami Eve is omnipotent God + 1 + 1 right?
Even Demonbane is not as ridiculous as Yamibou.
>thinks you can summon something that is analytically impossible to summon
It doesn't matter how much power demonbane has; a contradiction is just elaborated non-existence. It doesn't make any sense to say "summon a paradox".
>Superman on the top
First thing i see is "Marvel Universe" and i know how shitty that is
Demonbane would look at schrodingers cat and realize that it not only both dead and alive, but that Demonbane was in fact that cat all along and that the Demonbanecat is actually the one who looked at Demonbane to determine its existence.
Where Buddha walks, flowers grew. Where Demonbane exists, paradoxes arise.
This is well past the tier of having to make sense.
>Implying it matters to Demonbane
Demonbane is so powerful logic gets to go take a shit on itself when he decides to exist. Demonbane is the end all be-all of 'who is da strongest'.
Demonbane can summon Demonbane Who Is Actually Infinite Powermans and shit like that.
You know who Demonbane can't summon?
Demonbane Who Can Literally Break The 4th Wall And Become Literally Real
Think about THAT one.
Unless, of course, he's already done so, and we just don't know about it
Too bad as a direct showing he summoned every Demonbane ever including those that are physically and statistically impossible to exist as Demonbane. You talk as if a mech that beats omnipotence with even more omnipotence gives a shit about universal constants or your shitty logic when even Outer Gods would violate it with their mere presence.
The list of most ridiculous settings is DC/Marvel > Dies Irae = Eien Shinken = Yamibou
DC and Marvel created so much utterly retarded bullshit over the decades you just can't beat that.
I lied here's the other one http://www39.atwiki.jp/tekiyakusaikyou/pages/11.html
I don't think you understand what a paradox is. It's not something that "isn't understandable", it's the result of opposing traits rendering existence impossible.
To "summon a paradox" would be equivalent to summoning nothing because a paradox represents theoretical non-existence, ie a square circle. This is why the whole idea of omnipotence is contradictory.
There's a wiki for this stuff, too, but it's incredibly autistic about calculations and well
Like, here's their entry for Percy Jackson.
Franchise power level ranking is more accurate than individual ranking.
I remember looking at Japan's wiki and 5 Star Stories ranking higher than Demonbane as a power level franchise.
I like how Demonbane is higher on that list than everything else on that appears on our list, and that includes being higher then Tenchi
Again, you underestimate omnipotence.
Locke the Superman is ranked above Demonbane. Locke is not even a multidimensional omnipotent being.
What a shit list.
The original chart always had LoN higher than Narukana.
I actually lowered a bit LoN to be honest.
Omnipotence doesn't make any sense b. Demonbane can draw on an infinite well of power and still won't be able to create a square circle because a square circle is analytically non-existent.
And he is still lower rhan something from Sharnoth.
Provide the article for this. I've been to beast's lair and to /tm/ as well as /jp/ and read Nasu interviews and this is the very first time I have ever heard of this.
Ciel and Ryougi can fight Servants defensively. Nasu doesn't say they can win against them defensively.
No, is it you guys confusing omnipotence with the power of conveniently beat omnipotent beings
Demonbane can summon Demonbane Composed Entirely Of Square Circles.
Because fuck you, t's god damn Demonbane. It doesn't matter.
Demonbane can summon Demonbane Who Obeys No Laws Of Logic At All. Because fuck you, it's Demonbane.
Demonbane can summon itself summoning itself infinitely. Because fuck you, it's Demonbane.
Demonbane can summon fucking Composite Demonbanes, Who Is Every Demonbane At Once, No Nxceptions. And then summon Demonbane Who Is Not Part Of Demonbane Who Is Every Demonbane At Once, No Exceptions, and have both of these Demonbane's kick your ass at the same time.
Because fuck you, it's Demonbane.
Backing on this, Nasu also said that MEoDP can kill Servants as if they were ghosts. Tohno has MEoDP.
>Demonbane is higher than Tenchi
Once again proving that 柾木天地 should not be higher than 大十字九郎with旧神デモンベイン
This is getting out of hand. Nerf Demonbane.
So when the hell are we putting Tenchi down a notch? I still don't see why he's considered as powerful as the rest of these people, considering it seems he's more like a big fish in a small pond.
Demonbane can rewrite the rules of analysis. You don't understand what omnipotence is.
If you knew Jap, even the Japanese agree Eien no Aselia > Demonbane
He can recreate the universe so that a square circle can exist. He has the power to create things that couldn't exist. That is what omnipotence means.
Comptiq 2005-09 issue - Fate Dojo Q & A
Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants?
A: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.
If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class
I never claimed that Nasu said that Void would be able to beat a servant. Just that Nasu places her above Tohno when it comes to fighting servants.
If we go by the in-universe description of their powers the disparity is even larger but w/e.
I did. Very very slightly though.
I placed him on the same level as demonbane because putting him lower will cause shitstorms on either side for people wanting Tenchi higher for being a pure god and people like you saying he should be lower.
So yeah. There's really nothing I can do with Tenchi.
I think he's trying to take what Void Shiki says at the end of KnK at his word. Nasu himself said that Void Shiki was just embellishing everything there. So that snapping things out of existence with a flick of the finger doesn't make sense in Nasu's latest power rankings.
Demonbane can summon Demonbane Who Can Create Rocks That Are So Heavy It Cannot Lift Them Then Lift Them.
Because fuck you, it's Demonbane.
Would an Omnipotent being be able to create a stone heavier than he could lift? If so, he is not omnipotent for he cannot lift it. If not, he is not omnipotent for not being able to create such a rock.
Logically speaking, Omnipotence cannot exist. With that argument, we might as well tear off half the list purely on the premise of them being omnipotent or being able to break logic. But then if you decide to hold logic up as a rule, you might as well start saying that the physics need to be adhered to, as logic dictates that the law of physics must be adhered to for it to exist. And so on.
No he can't because a square circle is a contradiction and like I said at the beginning of this conversation the ability to manifest contradictions is not a function of power: a contradiction is that which cancels its own existence by virtue of its constituent traits. Demonbane might be able to change the definition of the concepts of square and circle and thus create a square circle that looks like a square or circle as we know them, but to manifest an actual contradiction, like I keep saying, is by definition impossible and not a function of how powerful something is.
Read my posts guy, I acknowledged way back in this thread that Nasu contradicts Void Shiki.
>Would an Omnipotent being be able to create a stone heavier than he could lift? If so, he is not omnipotent for he cannot lift it. If not, he is not omnipotent for not being able to create such a rock.
That is a shitty example because it places omnipotence as being incapable of controlling logic, which means you're defining omnipotence as non-omnipotent.
Demonbane can summon Demonbane Who Can Perform Literally Impossible Tasks.
Infact, that Demonbane is probably just the regular one. Demonbane doesn't give a fuck.
Omnipotence transcends logic. You cannot understand it because you are not omnipotent. It doesn't matter whether a square circle can exist or not. He can create it. He can do anything. There is no higher power.
You underestimate Chuuni VN writers.
In tons of VNs omnipotence only exists so some character can shit all over it.
Okay. But know this. Tohno Shiki has more potential than his daddy. His daddy was 1 inch away from beheading one of those guys that can fight against a Servant one-on-one.
Kiri also made Kouma continually miss. Even if you say he's blind with one eye, Berserker was completely blind and could have won in NLBW had Ilya not interfered. Kiri also had zero magecraft reinforcement. His eyes didn't even help him in the fight. This was pure physical ability versus someone who trained his entire life to kill Kiri.
That is Tohno Shiki's bloodline, and he has a canon greater potential than his dad.
Kenshiro > index? I don't think so...
You're killing me.
I always wondered, if a god created a rock that he could not lift, wouldn't the obvious solution be that the god simply gave himself the strength to life the rock he was previously unable to lift?
Thereby showing that God is both unable to lift the rock but able to lift the rock by his own means?
Is there a Demonbane that simply does not give a fuck?
>No he can't
The rest of your argument is not even relevant. This is the premise of omnipotence. Everything can be done. Absolutely everything. Even the impossible. Because if it would be impossible there would be no such thing as omnipotence. Logic doesn't dictate omnipotence. Laws of physics, or anything for that matter, doesn't dictate omnipotence. Omnipotence dictates them.
We've already had this exact discussion in this exact thread. Omnipotence itself is a contradiction and totally impossible.Omnipotent within the bounds of rationality is the extent of conceptual power because the loss of rationality necessitates the loss of existence. IE, we manifest a square circle by making square and circle mean nothing and proceed to manifest nothing.
Depends on which Index.
Every time you guys mention Demonbane i hope you mean Elder God Demonbane summoning More Elder God Demonbanes right?
>Demonbane that simply does not give a fuck?
This is every Demonbane, except for Demonbanes Who Give A Fuck.
Except for the Demonbanes Who Give A Fuck Who Don't Give a Fuck.
So he can also create a being stronger than himself.
That's because omnipotence is a contradiction and can't exist. Sure are a whole lot of arbitrary assertions in this thread though.
I never said that wasn't the case.
I just installed Dies today, actually. Not starting it until I finish some other stuff, though.
Demonbane can literally do this.
Demonbane is the only conceptual being I know of that is stronger than Abrahamic-interpretation God.
When are Dies irae characters going to be added to the chart already? A lot of them would dominate the chart easily.
Also, why are you posting mai waifu?
A common response from Christian philosophers, such as Norman Geisler or Richard Swinburne is that the paradox assumes a wrong definition of omnipotence. Omnipotence, they say, does not mean that God can do anything at all but, rather, that he can do anything that's possible according to his nature. The distinction is important. God cannot perform logical absurdities; he cannot, for instance, make 1+1=3. Likewise, God cannot make a being greater than himself because he is, by definition, the greatest possible being. God is limited in his actions to his nature. The Bible supports this, they assert, in passages such as Hebrews 6:18 which says it is "impossible for God to lie." This raises the question, similar to the Euthyphro Dilemma, of where this law of logic, which God is bound to obey, comes from. According to these theologians, this law is not a law above God that he assents to but, rather, logic is an eternal part of God's nature, like his omniscience or omnibenevolence. God obeys the laws of logic because God is eternally logical in the same way that God does not perform evil actions because God is eternally good. So, God, by nature logical and unable to violate the laws of logic, cannot make a boulder so heavy he cannot lift it because that would violate the law of non contradiction by creating an immovable object and an unstoppable force.
yes that's why demonbane doesn't exist in real life
he can still do that in fiction
Wouldn't he be on the same level?
No, it's a perfectly good example, not because omnipotence couldn't control logic, but visa-versa, logic cannot control omnipotence. If you demand that logic is the highest ruler, than omnipotence cannot exist. If you demand that omnipotence exists, than logic is irrelevant and therefore logical arguments are too.
Semantics. Just put is as "can an omnipotent being create something impossible for that omnipotent being to do". If the omnipotent being can give itself powers to make the impossible possible, the impossible was never impossible to begin with.
I can't help it.
Another common response is that since God is supposedly omnipotent, the phrase "could not lift" does not make sense and the paradox is meaningless. This may mean that the complexity involved in rightly understanding omnipotence---contra all the logical details involved in misunderstanding it---is a function of the fact that omnipotence, like infinity, is perceived at all by contrasting reference to those complex and variable things which it is not. But, an alternative meaning is that a non-corporeal God cannot lift anything, but can raise it (a linguistic pedantry) - or to use the beliefs of Christians[verification needed] and Hindus (that there is one God, who can be manifest as several different beings) that whilst it is possible for God to do all things, it is not possible for all his incarnations to do them. As such, God could create a stone so heavy that, in one incarnation, he was unable to lift it - but would be able to do something that an incarnation that could lift it could not.
Not really. Biblical God is weak as shit. Bible was written by uneducated idiots who thought Earth is flat.
You can say he can do it in fiction but it doesn't actually mean anything or amount to an achievement for Demonbane. Just as we can't imagine a square circle, claiming to manifest a logical paradox is empty of meaning.
It's a running gag, you're not meant to.
I ''can'' fix it, but I'd rather not.
Demonbane is entire orders of Magnitude above any religious deity human beings on Earth have ever seriously prayed to. The concept of Demonbane essentially means that nothing can beat Demonbane, because Demonbane can simply will into existence a Demonbane who beats that.
In Jhon Pen mode Index wreck the shit out of Ken.
Did Eucliwood pull some shit in S2 that puts her above planetary level?
And Myuughi automatically erases Demonbane along with Al and Kuro from existence the moment they just consider fighting her.
Demonbane isn't considered the top of fictional powerlevels in Japan.
And therefore God would not be truly omnipotent. Just all powerful within the laws of our universe.
Lovecraftian gods would be more powerful than such a God. Of course that God has to deal with the possibility of being real where as these fictional gods don't. And that's the ultimate power in the end. Being real.
Except then she is erased by Demonbane Who Comes Into Existence When Myuughi Erases A Demonbane To Erase Myuughi, because that exists.
>Assuming God is real
No, even Ayumu was dominating her without becoming a magical girl (granted, he was possessed).
>thinking God exists outside the minds of deluded humans
Nope. No idea why she's even that high.
Nope. Demonbane needs to use an attack that summons infinite Demonbanes.
The moment they simply think about attacking her they are gone.
Non-existence is not an issue for Demonbane. Also just because it's "Japan" doesn't mean they're the most right. Just that they have their own take on it.
Moot is just one of the many Demonbanes that exist in our world.
Demonbane tanks attacks to will him out of existence all the time. Even if you manage to do this, a Demonbane in another reality will detect this and the appropriate Demonbane retaliation will be levied against you.
General guideline for all powerlevel crossovers. In order of importance:
1) Common sense
2) Type of existence
3) Difference in dimensionality
4) Reaction and speed
5) Magnitude of power
6) Disadvantage vs advantage
7) Mechanics behind ability and similarity for operation
I don't. But it's contended that it is, unlike all these beings we are discussing here which we all agree on not being real. It's a pointless discussion either way.
It just uses that attack before it uses its attack. It attacks without ever having attacked. In fact the effects happened before the attack or even before the consideration of attacking.
Isn't omnipotence so wonderfully bullshit?
Strong magic that she refuses to use. She can tell Goku to die and he will.
Have we considered adding Guu to the chart? She's shown to have intense reality manipulation abilities, and if I'm not mistaken literally swallows a rainforest at one point.
Did you guys even play the second Demonbane game or read the LNs?
Demonbane is ridiculous, but not that ridiculous.
Dies Irae or Eien Shinken are even more ridiculous.
You mean how like a few hundred years ago humanity couldn't envision the world was spherical? Or how a hundred years back we couldn't phantom shit smaller than atoms? Arguing that which is beyond you is impossible is the same retarded logic man has boxed themselves within since his first appearance and with every passing day someone takes a hammer and smashes another crack In it...
/a/ confirmed for less delusional than christians
There's no point in arguing it. Just say it's at the top tier and leave it at that. Give all the omnipotent characters their own special space where they can spend all eternity erasing each other from existence and willing themselves back.
omnipotence is nonlogical; understanding it is not possible
>1) Common sense
Common sense is bound by logic. Therefore anything illogical does not apply to common sense therefore anything omnipotent violates that rule and cannot make such a list.
... why is this still being argued. We all know that omnipotent beings are so much fucking bullshit that you can just make shit up and have it be so.
There's a difference between realizing that something you've never seen before exists and seeing something that can't possibly exist.
Demonbane can summon Demonbane Containing The Powers Of Dies Irae And Erie Shinken.
Because his power is literally stated that he can call forth a version of himself with whatever traits he fucking wants.
Fuck it, got bored.
Might be stupid breaking tradition but whatever.
Gotta be liberal and shit.
There is Demonbade that is moot.
There is a Demonbade where 4chan itself is Demonbade.
There is a Demonbade that is the internet.
There is a Demonbade who uses Demonbade to go on Demonbade so that he can post about Demonbade.
Demonbane still can't permanently destroy Nyarla.
He's not all powerful when it comes to killing omnipotents.
Demonbane can summon Demonbane Who Has All of Nyarla's Powers But Greater.
Because fuck you, it's Demonbane.
And how do you determine the difference? Ask the guys from back then and they would have spit in your face for making such ridiculous claims. What humans can see and achieve is literally less than a speck of sand within the ever-expanding cosmos. And that is why even the most concrete theorems of any science can fall under revision or be completely debunked any single day. Human logic is shit anon.
Except he never succeeded in killing her. Despite defeating her countless times.
Meaning there are limits to his power.
Demonbane can summong Demonbane Who Succeeded In Killing Nylara.
Because fuck you, it's Demonbane.
Oh, what? That Demonbane can't exist?
Too bad, he can summon it anyways. He just doesn't give enough of a fuck to.
It was amusing, but now that's just wanking, man. Stop it.
Anon has a point, Demonbane does seem to have a limit sine it couldn't kill Nya nor the Outer Gods but instead had to trap them.
Demonbane is truly that ridiculous. As all omnipotent beings are. I agree with
here. Arguing whether one omnipotent character is more omnipotent than the other is ridiculous.
The only thing I like about Demonbane is just that it´s a nice ending to any powerlevel discussion because of the bullshittingness it comes up with.
Because I can imagine something smaller than atoms, and I've never seen them, while I can't imagine a three-sided square, because it's physically impossible to do so. It's not a question of whether it actually exists, but can it be imagined.
>Nice end to powerlevel discussion
Apparently you aren't Demonbaning hard enough.
She's special tier at best, there's no real metric of her actual power.
i just imagined a three sided square, step it up
Demonbane's explicit power is to be able to summon variants of himself that can be literally anything, whether they can exist or not. Whether or not Demonbane chooses to utilize this power to its fullest extent is its own choice, or rather his writers not realize that when they claimed Demonbane had the power to call forth a variant of itself that was given the literal name Demonbane Capable Of Kill Nylara, then he can do that and that happens.
Because Demonbane can summon impossible Demonbanes, because that's the power they gave him. They're retarded in not realizing it, but Demonbane is the most broken character ever written.
That's not a square, that's a triangle.
No, I don't mean like those examples at all. Contradictions are not a product of ignorance. I've tried to explain the meaning of analytical non-existence throughout this thread but have obviously failed. I'm sorry.
Demonbane can summon Demonbane Entirely Composed Of Three-Sided Squares.
It's impossible to create a triangle with four squares since the definition of a triangle is that it has three corners.
There are some things Demonbane cannot do without completely rewriting logic.
A three sided square is a contradiction and so it can't exist. You have either a triangle or a four sided square.
Or not and that even summoning Demonbanes from other possibilities cannot still wipe them out. At best, it can only seal them away.
Canon has put its foot down here.
Exactly. He's omnipotent, he can do that.
I´m talking about normal powerlevel discussions. Powerlevel discussions about omnipotent beings are bound to be neverending until one of the authors themselves decide to write in a scenario where they apparently aren´t omnipotent.
No, it was an alternate ruleset in which sides could overlap to create things that have multiple shapes at once.
That Demonbane allows Nylara to exist despite being a pain in the rear is an act of charity on Demonbane's part. Demonbane can, at any time, bring forth Demonbane Who Undoes The Existence Of Nylara, or any other entity, and it will literally be done.
No if, ands, or buts about it. Nylara exists because Demonbane allows Nylara to continue to exist.
There's a Demonbane that can complete rewrite the notions of knowledge on how people see and interpret concepts.
>act of charity
Yeah right. Demonbane exists to slay evil. If it can't slay evil, then it traps it into its ST.
Did you not see the guy arguing about the square circle above you? It´s already asserted that if it is omnipotent, it can do literally everything.
That said - three sided squares is more of a semantic issue rather than an existential issue.
Except you can only imagine half that shit because modern day logic permits it. Again, no one in the world could imagine it's true shape till the times of Christopher Colombus much less envision minuscule shit such as atoms and photons. Hell, back then they couldn't imagine diseases for what they are and believed them to be hexes, curses from god, or signs of demonic possession. Are demons real anon cause the people from back the sure envisioned them damn well. Hell right now we still don't know what a black hole looks like and we mostly go off wild guessing and number crunching even though the first singularities should have formed in the origin of the universe.
Couldn't any other omnipotent being also do this?
The whole thing is a contradiction anyhow. Azathoth can destroy everything ever and Yog-Sothoth is everything ever, yet Demonbane can somehow keep those beings in check.
Top of Japanese Powerlevel Wiki:
Sanos > Spectre > M > Midouban > D (inb4 implying) > Murakumo no Nozomu > Infinity > Madara Yakou > Rokku > Jiro Ore > Yuukyuu no Euphoria > Alicia Y > Eternal Demonbane with its pilot > Tonami Yuu > El Cantare > Seikensha Yuuto > Onslaught > MC of Persona 3 > Shinsei Rahxephon > Yachima > Ｑｆｗｆｑ > Red (Pokemon) > Slay > Kouki > Iskander > Tenchi > Reed Richards> MC of FateExtra with Archer > Ogata(?) Keijirou > Oohagi Botan (KKK?) > Kadokura Kou > Lily > Garami > Amano Yukiteru > Ren Karas > Nayuta > Nanakase Tatsuki with Nanakase Yui
I can imagine any number of impossible things with no connection to reality. It would not have been impossible to imagine a round earth, just ridiculous to think it was true.
But Demonbane can summong Demonbane Who Does This Better.
Because fuck you, its Demonbane.
Demonbane can summon Demonbane Who Is Omnipotent!Omnipotent, and still summon stronger Demonbanes.
It is argued in some religions and theories that the act of destroying evil is evil itself as light cannot exist without darkness, good not without evil, etc.
Not a demonbane fag here, but the idea of not slaying evil can actually be an act of goodness. Other than that, Evil is a human concept really... Lovecraftian gods exist out of that. It´s not that they´re evil, it´s just that they´re an affront to our existence.
Any other omnipotent being can do the same. Demonbane isn't even omnipotent, he just has a specific power that lets him do anything.
Demonbane might just have some sort of personal motivations for keeping Nylara trapped. Nylara might even just be a Demonbane.
:Demonbane isn't even omnipotent, he just has a specific power that lets him do anything.
That´s kinda an oxymoron, innit? He´s not omnipotent, but has omnipotent power.
Reed Richards? Whaaaaat?
This is a list of protagonists.
The list of most insane settings is much better.
Demonbane can summon Omnipotent Demonbane, though, and then probably kick its ass. Because, again, fuck you, it's Demonbane.
We really don't care about Japan's view on this or we would be making a chart out of theirs. Sorry
Demonbane is semi sentient.
He's just Al Azif's weapon in the end.
Rokku is Locke the Superhuman. A non omnipotent being. Who is above an omnipotent being.
Also Red is up there. Red. From Pokemon...
>MC of FateExtra with Archer
i .. what?
It's Thanos. And Daijuuji Kurou.
Sorry to say but that translation is pretty bad
If you think about it, being able to move the strongest of legendary pokemon to your whim is actually quite broken. Arceus is pretty high on our tier list, but to Red, it's just one of all the Pokemon to catch.
Pikachu is serious business.
Yes but all one has to do is steal the pokeballs.
Yet here you assume circular squares are because your logic dictates so. As was the case back then. As is the case now with most scientific findings until conclusive enough proof is presented. And before you re-state it yes I'm aware that circular squares are a statistical impossibility. That has absolutely zero bearing because the laws/rules/statistics are mankind's attempts at figuring out the infinite and we suck damn hard at it. Just know that if a quantum computer deciphers this little conundrums before the time I expire, I'll make sure to write in my grave " I told you, anon".
>MC of FateExtra with Archer
somebody explain this please
Why are people always talking about Demonbane like if it was a character?
It's just a robot. Or more like a mecha golem.
Many Grimoires had their own Demonbanes. If anything you should be using them, not the incredibly broad term "Demonbane".
I'm not really into pokemon, but just having played the games as a kid, I know it's really not so simple.
Okay then, imagine something impossible. Not impossible to exist, but impossible to imagine. An omnipotent being could make it happen, because their power is beyond imagining with our frail minds.
There's a Demonbane That Pilots Itself.
Nobody summons it because this Demonbane would be capable of just going ahead and creating Demonbane World.
I don't know but F/CCC has crazy feats.
MC's servant crosses galactic distances in seconds and takes on a planet sized enemies
Because it's easier to say than:
"Daijuji Kurou and Al Azif Piloting Elder God Demonbane"
Also Demonbane has it's own consciousness and can operate without anyone piloting it
That's nothing worth talking about compared to rest of the stuff up there honestly.
That's one out of infinite Demonbanes. And we don't know the story behind it.
There's a demonbane made to fuck your mother.
How do you feel about that
There's also a Demonbane Who Is My Waifu out there somewhere.
I wish to find this Demonbane.
Using circular logic like that is not funny anon. The moment one imagines it, it ceases to be impossible to imagine. The difference is I can't even envision omnipotence much less something omnipotence would consider unimaginable nor what method it would use to stay true to the condition, meaning the answer is omnipotence itself . Anyways calling it quits here since I have to wake up early. It was an interesting experience anon
Hm... an argument could be made for Red. Let me explain:
Red is in possession of a master ball, capable of instantly catching any pokemon. That's fine, but tell me: what if you could catch something other than a pokemon in a pokeball? This isn't a wholly baseless claim; in the anime, Ash once accidentally caught a rice ball when trying to catch a mankey. On top of this, Red is also in possession of 8 badges, allowing him to control any pokemon regardless of level.
Now, if we are to assume Red can catch things other than pokemon, would he be able to control them? It's not too farfetched to think that people can be caught in pokeballs, but aren't simply due to ethics.
Mind you, this is all conjecture with little canon support, but... if true, Red could catch and control literally anyone else on the chart.
I will fix it for the next thread.
Demonbanes masters are waifu enough as it is.
Except that things below him on the chart can simply will the master ball out of existence
There will also be a demonbane with objectively good taste in anime.
A demonbane that is objectively the best anime
There would be a Demonbane That Is Objectively The Coolest Motherfucker Ever
You will never meet that Demonbane ;_;
There will be a demonbane that is objectively the shittiest motherfucker alive
you will meet him