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> ITT your lets draw manga collection

I know you have some, /a/
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>>102222739
holy fuck i really wouldnt want to learn to draw anything by anyone who drew those covers
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>>102222739
I have some that were gifts from friends/family when I was younger, though I don't feel like gathering them all. I never would use one as a resource for drawing.
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>That scholastic book
That's really deviantart-tier.
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>>102222865
That was my first one, sold like hit cakes back in the forth grade at the book fair.
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>>102222813
I'm sure you can manage one or two.
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I gave mine away from free some time ago. Why would you keep something like that after the age of 15?
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>>102222865
Now you know where they all learned to draw.
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I have this, and it's surprisingly good. It teaches you stuff in a few pages that took our design teacher literally weeks to explain etc.

>>102223194
I didn't know that people over the age of 15 aren't allowed to have hobbies.
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Holy fucking shit look at those eyes.
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>>102223474
I fucked up the picture
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>>102222739
Surprisingly i don't have any Manga ones but i do have a Transformers one, never really looked at it though.
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/thread
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OP, I've had a deep love of comics all my life, and all my friends knew I wanted to be a cartoonist. But even then I wouldn't be caught dead with those cringeworthy books. That's a pretty strong sign that you're a weeaboo, if you're specifically trying to draw "manga".
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These fucking pictures keep coming out sideways for some reason.
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>>102223905
Shit son, I dont think I've ever used them. I got most of mine when I was in grade school, some came with neat stuff. If you can't have a good laugh about this with friends, then I'd suggest you get new friends.
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Anyone have the "more like the results of torture" image?
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>>102223905
It's not like everyone owns these books because they want to. Put yourself in the shoes of a parent who has to buy a chrismas present to a son that likes manga and has above average drawing abilities.
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>>102224068
This is grade school Im talking about. The friends don't need to change, because I would have gagged just as much as them at that crap.
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>that top left book

Jesus Christ.
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>>102224216
That's implying a grade schooler can tell the difference between craps and not crap. Where I grew up, if it didn't look like a stick man, you were better than most people.
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>>102224387
Being in grade school doesn't make you blind. A green furdy creature with wings and glassy eyes is gag-inducing no matter who you are.
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>>102224387
A 10 year old will have long since developed a sense of what's laughable and what isn't.
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This thread makes me glad I could tell how stupid this shit is from the word go.
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Jesus, I'm better than most of these people.

I should make one of these.
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>>102224387
My school didn't have much exposure, most didn't even know what anime was. Only having season 1 pokemon to compare to didn't help at all.

This was The Book at our school because it was the only manga related thing in town at the time.

I know it's stupid but everyone I knew at the time had shit taste as well as me.
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>>102224884
That's the point. These books just rip off little kids.
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>>102224884
Eh, window closed by now, shits 11 years old.
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I grab artbooks mostly these days, but Monster Book of Manga and Shojo Fashion are pretty good. It's depressing that they won't just adapt a Let's Draw made by actual Japanese people that are actually good at drawing manga though.
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I can't find the book that was given to me along with that set of markers and that pack of sheet but I can remember it was different from those in the OP. Never read the book and the supplies are as good as new. It was really hard to fake a smile and give my thanks after unwrapping that gift.

I still suck at drawing though. Perhaps I could be a renowned mangaka if had read that book back then... or not.
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>>102225570
Take it from someone working in comics. Those things will set you back more rhan anything. You're a weeaboo.
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>>102222739
>The top-left cover

Even I can draw better than that, and I suck at drawing.

>>102223640
Really? What's it look like? Upload pics.
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>>102225672
What do you do, Anon-san?
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>>102225672
He just told you that he got it as a gift and haven't touched it, so if anything, he's obviously a weeaboo for being on /a/, not because he can't say no to grandma.
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>always wanted to draw comics
>did for many years
>got pretty good
>people at school liked them a lot
>almost got something published
>introduced to 4chan
>see webcomics and artists getting torn to shreds
>see good artwork get trashed
>withdraw my work
>close my online profiles and portfolio
>quit showing people my work
>give up the dream

I think all the time about frequenting a site that basically ruined my life...
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>>102222739
What the FUCK is all over your floor anon? Run a vacuum cleaner over it or something.
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>>102225946
Quitting like that is why you didn't live the dream. This shit got published for fucks sake, you could have gone somewhere if you had a spine.
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>>102225946
I went througj vitually the same experoence. But it wasn't 4chan that did anything to you, you idiot. We're the ones to blame. The internet didn't do jack shit to us. We saw good art, and got discouraged. The only ones to blame are ourselves for not pushing ourselves to be better. It was because of our own lack of confidence. Now stop throwing away your dream and keep trying.
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>>102226091
>blush
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>>102225947
Being on /a/ means you think Japan is the holy land? This is news to me.
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>>102222739

I don't actually, and if I recall, going straight to drawing manga/anime first rather than from the basics is problematic.
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>>102225946
Weaklings shouldn't dream
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>>102226165
It's more likely than saying thank you for a gift dude.
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>>102225946
>>almost got something published
Details?
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>>102226333
/a/ is not /jp/
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>>102226067
How the fuck do you think I found these? My shit is getting sparkly as I type.
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>>102226287
Nothing said has ever been more false.
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>>102226386

But they're tsun for eachother, right?
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>>102225946
I had all the childhood success you did, got discouragwd by the internet, and still got published. Don't blame 4chan on your own failure.
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>>102226386
What the fuck are you going on about here? You're not making any points, just spouting shit. The guy got the book as a gift, he never used it. Does that make him a weeaboo? I don't think so, I'm saying compared to that, browsing /a/ is stronger evidence than reluctantly saying thank you to a present.
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>>102226091
>>102226103
>>102226610

You guys are right. It is my fault. It's not like I couldn't just pick up and try again though. I just have to force myself. How does that quote go? "A wolf doesn't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep." I just have to have that kind of attitude.

>>102226368
2006. Slave Labor Graphics. Just dropped contact with them totally.
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>>102226386
but /jp/ is /a/
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>>102225946
I was publish, but what killed me was bad economic decisions in my part. I had a business and that supported dream job. Once the business when down south, I became homeless and I couldn't continue my schedule.
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>I can draw better than these.
>Took Art, Father and Grandfather illustrate
>I'm NEET and have all the time in the world
>Still don't have the desire to draw out a manga

Maybe i should look online for a collab.
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>>102226745
Want to work together? I can write.
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with the millions upon millions of starving artists in the world why are there less than 100 artists on the planet capable of making may mays and other interesting/provocative pictures?
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>>102226464
tsun without dere, maybe. You should know by now you shouldn't generalize like that.

>>102226639
I do not know why you got so defensive, even thou I haven't even mentioned the word weeaboo. It's like you made up the conversation and conclusion in some burst of internet rage.

>>102226719
Why won't you take a look at their catalogue?
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>>102226745
Here's a bar you can shoot for, at least it'll do wonders for your self esteem.
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>>102226834
>>102226745
Welcome to NHK guys
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>>102224926
I-Is that Ecstasy aka Darks?
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>>102226865
I simply replied to what was being said, it's not like they came out of no where, try going up the thread and see for yourself.
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>>102226961
which one is the drug addict with a jail0bait on their back?
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>>102227010
It's some shit made by a chick named katey.
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>>102227014
You know, it's not always the same person, right?

>>102227075
My guess is both
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>>102226865
>tsun without dere, maybe.

Well, yeah, that's what I meant. It wasn't a serious comment anyway.

>>102227168

Jesus Christ, 80% of her face is her eyes.
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>>102227168
>How to draw manga by Deviant art.
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>>102225946
What a pussy. You don't deserve it. I'm beta as fuck and am more confident than you.
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>>102225946
I still have the vague dream of making people happy with manga-style comics. One of the more encouraging parts is that you don't need to be absolutely amazing with the visuals. Just look at Twin Spica or what Mitsuru Adachi's been doing for, um, over half a decade now? If time's your problem, there's the story about how the TWGOK guy didn't finally make the jump into manga until his 30s. *sigh* I might as well give a full lesson...

Being a manga artist is also interesting since you're a foreigner. From what I can tell, we've only really had one person in recent times draw manga in Japan that wasn't born there. This guy drew Peepo Choo! for about a year -after which he vanished for a few years until he appeared in Marvel's reveal for the new Ghost Rider. Saying, might I add, that his previous work was an example of "editorial savagery that nearly finished me." Then there's the fact that being both a mangaka and a foreigner is the worst thing you can be when you want a home in Japan. They often joke about it in manga, but the hard reality is that you need to be tough if you want to pursue the career.

For more contemporary Western mangaka, there are the results of the first (non-Japan) international Shonen Jump manga competiton this year, where the finalists were judged by the editors-in-chief for each worldwide branch. In spite of their popularity with the public, every single one of them was branded with the problem of how dated the artstyle looked or various problems in the writing. There was intrigue in what the competitors would make in the future, but not one of the comments implied interest in establishing an immediate partnership. Before you say anything, remember that these were all -oneshots-. Ergo, in spite of all the time they had, not a SINGLE person in the WORLD was able to make the judges go, "We need this guy!" The conclusion here is that just being able to make something that looks like manga isn't enough.

TLDR: Manga's more than lines.
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>>102227207
Not like it jumps out and tells ya some one is switched out. Usually you avoid those issues by saying "not that guy but..." or something. Whatever though, this kind of stuff will always happen, it's no big deal.
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This isn't even my full collection. The rest is on kindle when I found out I could get them for a lot cheaper as ebooks.

What do you think, /a/?

I think the one by Mark Crilley has helped me a lot and the Youtube vids of his demonstrations helps too. But even he states that all the art books in the world don't teach you as much as what you can learn in a classroom.

The ones by Scott McCloud has helped too. They both seem really helpful on how to understand the medium of comic books/manga. The problem now is that I can't seem to do it myself.

People like Crilley make it seem so easy too.
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How much would you rate me on a scale from "How to draw manga by Katy Coope" tier to "Japanese shoujo manga artist" tier?
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>>102227573
No shit. Is this not clear as day to people? An art style doesn't mean jack shit without a story to make people read.
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>>102227573
>problem of how dated the artstyle looked
that's pretty stupid point to cut someone down. It's like they didn't understand what art is
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>>102227751
The generic bug eyes and hanging chin still put you more towards the How To Draw Manga side.
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>>102227751
How to draw

It's actually very important that you learn the basic tenants of composition before drawing chinese cartoons. Like draw from real life.
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>>102227751
Out of the 4 books own, I'd say somewhere between book 3 and 4.
My book 3 just like old as fuck shonen though. I have no artistic training whatsoever though, so it's not like I know what I'm talking about.
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>>102227699
I really don't like how Mark Crilley keeps asking you to support his family in his YT videos.

I think McCloud wrote "Manga for the Beginner" or something and liked that for awhile.. I really liked Scott's "Understanding Comics" since he went through the trouble of trying to explain everything to you through actual comics.

Personally, I significantly prefer watching or learning from people that actually draw successful manga or have careers as illustrators in Japan. Have some of my videos, anon. I'd like to direct your attention to the 15th one where KEI draws Hatsune Miku in about 40 seconds.
>http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLna6vJeUWNl76Is6d_qzGsPRUclxVidTF&feature=mh_lolz
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Look what I found at my local book store the other day.
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What books do real 漫画家 use to learn?
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>>102228127
Sketch books.
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>>102227168
jesus christ the eyes on the girl
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>>102228127
Actual drawing resources and lessons. Anything labelled as teaching any sort of "manga" or "anime" is garunteed to be a load of misleading an ill-researched shit.
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>>102228079

That reminds me of that Christian manga/comic some guy dumped a long time ago.

Good times.
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>>102228188
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>>102228127
http://www.mediafire.com/download/n46gj79jg68fuwj/how.to.draw.manga.books.over.500.books.torrent

This was from some old drawthread and is pretty legit. I had to delete 80% of them either because I didn't like the style or it was too outdated.
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>>102228329

>500 books
>418 kb

Pls anon
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>>102222739
>Scholastic
Holy shit. During elementary school, I usually go to the book fair to nitpick covers with good art and usually learn from there. Not specifically how to draw's, just ordinary picture books. I learned how to draw with depth thanks to that.
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>>102228447
It's a torrent file.
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>>102228209
I doubt every mangaka does, or else we wouldn't see things like this getting published ever.
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>>102228504
Ask yourself. Do you want to be drawing like that?
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>>102228565
The image was to back your point, I guess I wasn't clear enough.
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>>102227795
>>102227861
You can blame Western culture for that. Noone has been able to become prominent while also being a foreigner, so we end up with all this attention to just drawing.

You wouldn't wait every week to read something like pic related... would you?
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>>102228565
Not that guy but if that's easy and I was promised an ok sum of money, I'd draw it full of dicks too.
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>>102228294
Jesus fucking Christ, it literally looks like it was drawn by Chris-Chan.
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>>102228504
The big mistake that beginners often make is copying someone else's artworks and style, without learning to convert 3D into 2D
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>>102228643

But he'd still be able to fire the gun. Why did he run off?
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>>102227751
If it makes you feel any better, the woman who did Vampire Knight spent just a year practicing to get to where she was.
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>>102228643
The lack of backgrounds bothers me more than the character designs, but to me it's more about the plot. I also don't read any weekly series
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>>102228643
I'm a chink. Do I have hope? I know Vofan's a chink but he isn't a mangaka though.
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>>102228643
But it's just plain common sense that there's much more to it than that. That, or Im a natural at it.
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>>102228745
The bullet would fly in random direcrions without the barrel.
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>>102228791
>>102228834
>>102228841
>>102228909
>>102228745
>>102228752
In the editor round table from last week's issue, they said that the Chinese Shonen Jump actually tries the hardest to get domestic manga published, if that's what you mean. But you know, they just all suck.

If it was such common sense, we'd actually have a homegrown manga help book that paralleled that one all those Shojo Beat artists helped out in.
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>>102228909

What is a snub nose revolver?
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Didn't Fred Perry make some How to Draw Manga books?
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>>102228909
It's still got an inch or two left of the original barrel though, and it's got a rifled bore which makes the bullet spin. At that range he'd still be pretty accurate.
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>>102229094
Not the same.
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>>102229089
So that's how it is. In exchange for an ability to write, I lost any hopes of ever being a competent artist. This makes the idea of a writer/illustrator duo a lot more appealing.
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>>102229162
yes he did.
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>>102222739
Bottom left seems ok.
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>>102229356
Don't you have that small feeling inside of you that scream "I'm sure that was made by an American!"? I'm not saying it look bad but it's weird how a lot of gaijin are never able to make their work look like what comes out in the east.
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>>102229514

I don't know how they don't realize that they try to mix western and eastern comic elements in a way that doesn't feel quite right.
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You don't learn to draw anime from a how to draw manga book. Here's the twist. You won't learn it from Loomis either. Second twist, you still need to study Loomis. What that means is, you need to understand shapes and how to mold them on paper, not the subtleties of realism. This is why Western artists can master realism, but never understand why their anime looks so twisted.

Anime has more in common with cartoon stylization. So the secret is abstraction of shapes, aka cartooning/design invention. And a strong knowledge of form and structure, understanding that these abstract shapes are representation of basic 3d shapes, aka you are building legos with pencil and paper. You'll get closer to drawing anime if you can draw your own Mickey Mouse, before you can draw a person.

Basically you want to know how to interpret 3d shapes on a 2d medium.
How to draw basic shapes and build upon them. Spheres/Cubes/Cones/Circles/Ellipses/Squares/Triangles/Ovals.
You NEED to understand what perspective is. Your favorite mangaka studies this. And something advanced, design. You have to experiment with shapes and see what works. The art evolution page on tvtropes is the best example of this manifestation. This is what gives all stylized cartoons their unique look.

Wish I can help more, but to keep it simple. Approach anime like you would a cartoon. But do not neglect studying the building blocks of reality.
Understanding of basic anatomy. Anime is a stylization of human beings. So you want to know your basic proportions. Study everything.
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>>102229627
ding! ding! Ding!
This guy get it.
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>>102229627
Your art is shit.
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>>102226091
>blush everywhere
>sameface everywhere
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>>102229271
Just putting it out there, the writers for EyeShield 21 and Hikaru no Go never evidently wrote anything again. In Bakuman they were talking about how you also have to deal with splitting the profits, so you may also need to deal with battling living expenses (more than what a regular manga artist deals with anyway).

There're people like the guys who did Lone Wolf and Cub, but they're a little old...

But hey, there are plenty of people who do great by themselves!
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>>102222739
>top left

Actually you don't see super wild hair like that anymore. Now it's all about designing the characters so they are cosplayable.
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>>102224619
Good one
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And I still can't draw for shit
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>>102230072
You can't photograph for shit either
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>>102230072
Well you don't get smarter by walking into a library.
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>>102230072

I don't see anything, all I see is a shitty pattern on your couch.
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>>102230136
What have I been doing with my life
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>>102230072
Because the authors can't draw for shit either.
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>>102227699
>Scott McCloud

Get some books by Eisner and you're set. There's a reason the award for best comics is called the Eisner Awards.
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>>102229627
How do I learn perspective?

A few drawings from the Fun with A Pencil book.
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>>102231039
...Is that Apanman?
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>>102231039
You know? That thing with everything going to one point?
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>>102231039
Is he spitting a dick out in that bottom right picture?
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>>102231039
You dense mother fucker. Stop using those "I'll teach you how to draw" books.
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>>102231272
Fun with a pencil is generally recommended by /ic/
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>>102231039
What >>102231272 said. Get some real books on art.
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>>102231039
give me a fake email and I'll send you a video
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>>102231381
It's good encouragement to immediately be able to draw things, but you never learn how to analyze new objects, nor do you learn to break down complex scenes into their basic artistic parts (form, perspective, etc.)
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>>102231459
>>102231381
Yep. Gotta start here before you move on to Loomis.
http://www.amazon.com/Keys-Drawing-Bert-Dodson/dp/0891343377/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392610711&sr=8-1&keywords=keys+to+drawing
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>>102231459
It's a beginner's book that's suppose to outline the basics of construction, not teach you everything.
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>>102222739
I had the top left one, and a few DBZ/GT ones, but I threw them away.
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Sadly I lost mine to water damage.
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>>102232038
>Find them
>The pictures look better
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I had top left and this other one I can't find. Mostly drew NetNavi concepts. Good times.
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Some of them helped me improve, but of course drawing real anatomy was better for practice.
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>>102226091
Aw shit, it's all coming back to me now.
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>>102234670
Nevermind, found it.
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>>102235413
Has there ever, in the history of Japanese-grown manga, been shit that bad?
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>>102235413
I can't decide which face is worse.
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>>102235481
The worst part?

I mostly traced.
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>>102235808
My vote is for that guy in the blue shirt and arm bandages.
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>>102235808
Don't look too long. This image gives you cancer.
>>102235816
It's okay, anon.
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>>102235859
Those are belts, and the girl with the ponytail on the left is far worse.
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>>102235413
I remember getting this book.

It was instantly buyer's remorse for me. Now when I want to find drawing books I ask myself "do I want my art style to look like X"?

It has saved me a lot of trouble with finding subpar books.
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>>102235975
I meant the spiky haired guy just above her, but yeah.

Also, another one I grew up with, though it's more /co/ than anything.
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>>102236121
Dude, that is green.
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>>102236199
Black spiky hair.
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>>102236059
For those kinds of books it's more about the thought process than making carbon copies.
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I remember getting this during my early days as a weeaboo. The best advice about drawing mecha came not from this book (it's seriously shit) but from an offhand comment from a fellow art friend who haets anime.

"Draw a person, then put blocky shit on them. Boom, you got yourself a giant robot."
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>Not learning how to draw from genga
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>>102236420
I really love looking at the Kill la Kill stuff. I wish I wasn't a NEET so I could afford the Madoka Magica key frame books.
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Where is a learn how to draw by miura?
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>>102222739
I think the best you can do is learn how to draw real people to see how anatomy works, then practice drawing backgrounds and objects, once you have get good at drawing in general you can transition to draw in the manga style, starting drawing with manga style is an awful idea if you want to be good.
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>>102236586
>special note for the panties
Sasuga, Imaishi.
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>>102237050
Brought to you by the same person who did Azumanga Daioh.
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>>102237269
Damn it looks fantastic.
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>>102237624
The water in one panel from the fishing chapter is pretty amazing too.



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