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Was this supposed to inspire hikikomori to get out and become normal again? Because as a shut in this made me even more depressed that I will never have a cute, mentally-broken 2D high school girl come and save me
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>>102211423
>mentally-broken 2D high school girl
Misaki is beyond that.
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>this made me even more depressed that I will never have a cute, mentally-broken 2D high school girl come and save me

Turbofag OP missed the entire point of the show.
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>>102211423
>Was this supposed to inspire hikikomori to get out and become normal again?

No. It was written by a hikki.
That's all. Not more not less.
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I would rape Misaki
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>>102211423
I was wondering the same thing myself

She's too good to be a mentally broken high school girl
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Did you miss how she broke him even further and that he only started to get his life together when he made some fucking effort himself, not making excuses or depending on other people and just got a real job to support himself? Because I'd like to think people can't be retarded enough to miss that.
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>>102211423
Hitomi is the broken one.
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Why does anyone like Misaki? She's made everything worse and she's not even that cute to make up for it.
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>>102211423

I know a lot of mentally broken girls like this from growing up in some cult that mass produces them and trust me, the relationship afterwards would be turbo crzy. Possibly yandere. Either that or she just suddenly becomes a shut-in one day.
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>Was this supposed to inspire hikikomori to get out and become normal again?

I don't know. I mean it was written by a hikikomori who can't even help himself so...
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>>102211641
>>102212163
it's always weird when you see a word you haven't seen in so long being used concurrently
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Why is there practically no porn of this show?

Specifically Hitomi

There is nothing on Hitomi, aka best girl
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>>102217050
It's all right anons it's not too late to change your hikkikomori ways.

https://soundcloud.com/hopboxmusic/nhk-1
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It definitely made me realize hikikomori are just rich faggots who have an enabler who dont mind that they're enabling someone to be dysfunctional

the show even says this.

"everyone else simply can't afford to be hikikomori.for them it's either work for food or accept death"
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>>102211423
I felt exactly the same way
The whole show made me feel even worse
But I can forgive all of that because it was overall pretty good
What I can't forgive is the most heinous part about it, which was that fucking atrocious ending
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>>102211423
I see people don't even know what Catharsis is nowadays.
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>>102211423
I don't understand people who talk like this about NHK. Misaki was insane, was never attempting to "save" satou, and wasn't really meant to come off as cute as much as a symbol of Satou's delusional perspective on reality.
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>>102218080
Would it really be catharsis for the author if he's just writing about a fantasy of a better life for himself? Even having an insane girl seems better than being completely alone, from the way he wrote it
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>>102218658
That's not what catharsis is about.
And I didn't mean that. I was talking about
>as a shut in this made me even more depressed
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>>102218658
I don't know if you noticed, but throughout the entire show, Satou's life spirals even further out of control after he starts his "sessions" with Misaki. She understands that she's causing this but continues to meet with him out of the comfort seeing someone as easily manipulated and pathetic as Satou brings her.

His life is terrible throughout the entire thing, any moments of happiness are usually somehow products of Satou's delusions, and Misaki never genuinely tries to offer support.
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this guy's story got me good. it was a little too much like mine (except i'm still stuck in my room)
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>>102218854
If you're talking about that, I don't understand how being depressed and watching something depressing could alleviate those feelings. Being angry and punching the crap out of stuff has shown to only increase the desire to punch the crap out of more stuff and not cause those feelings to subside

>>102218857
I guess I see what you mean considering he tried to kill himself at the end of the off meeting, it just seemed like she never directly goaded him in to doing things that made his life worse. If anything, meeting Yamazaki and working on the game to try to impress her was the best thing that happened to him. After that Yamazaki was always looking out for him and helping him enjoy life slightly while saving him from shit like the mmo trap and the pyramid scheme.
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>>102218658
>writing about a fantasy of a better life

Again, you miss the point of Welcome to the NHK
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>>102219508
Well, Anon?
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>>102219818
So is the point that there is no point, and that the author just created it for catharsis?

>>102220277
Well what?
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>>102219508
It is certainly true that the MCs life took a turn for the better once he met Misaki. However, this was more thanks to Yamazaki than Misaki, and once Yamazaki moved away Satou pretty much reverted to his old ways until simple lack of money forced him to go out and do something. I think that was part of the point of the show: at first it seemed like Misaki really was saving Satou and genuinely making his life better, but that was merely an illusion that was eventually crushed. Ultimately, there was no one to save Satou: it took effort from his own part to change his life.
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>implying chaos;head isn't the best hikki story
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The show actually aired on a Japanese PBS-esque station instead of the usual anime blocks. It was billed as a semi-educational series that tied in with some kind of Hikkikomori help program they were trying to launch at the time. This is why Japan never talks about it.
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>>102220427
Point is that if you want to change your life you have to work for it yourself, because others can't do it for you. Aside from that, I'd say that part of the point was to question the motives of people who try to "fix" other people's lives according to their own plans, and to show that doing so is likely to cause more harm than good.
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>>102220427
It's not a wish-fulfillment and Misaki is making everything worse so she feels less shitty about herself.
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>>102220464
>>102220770
Thanks for the thoughts/explanation.
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>>102220542
Not a big fan of the scifi/supernatural hikikomori stories
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>>102220770
>was to question the motives of people who try to "fix" other people's lives

Yuck. The religious ones are specially bad.

A big no-no.
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>>102220952
Fair enough, I'm all about that shit and the delusion mechanic was pretty cool once I understood what it actually did.
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>>102221137
Well, what does it do?
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So to sum it up, the only way to cure the hikikomori condition is to cut them off and hope they can man up, right? Kinda how if you tried to teach a baby to walk by holding it up the whole time without it ever putting in effort by itself it would fall over a cry as soon as you let go
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>>102221169
Instead of just yes or no, you're influencing his state of mind so that he goes down the path you want.
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>>102221245
You can still be a hiki and have a part time job, you know. I wouldn't consider having bare minimum human contact at a job as normal.
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>>102221245
As far as I know, the real life treatment is simply talking.
As in, not forcing the patient to do anything like leaving the house.

Then once the patient is confident enough, he might leave of his own volition.
Other actions just make it worse.
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It seemed to mostly be a show that said "don't try to do anything special, because it's a waste of time and you'll fail, just do what everyone else does because otherwise you'll die." Everything that the characters tried to do for the course of the show was a complete waste of time, and the only thing that was of any worth was getting a dull part-time job when on the verge of death.
So it's pretty realistic I suppose.
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>>102217929
Fun fact: It was not made to make you feel good about yourself. It's a very dark comedy, the type where you laugh and then feel bad afterwards.
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>>102221245
Basically, I guess. Though I'd say it doesn't need to be quite that harsh. It is okay to be there and offer support, it's just that ultimately a person needs to take responsibility for his own life if he wants to live a life that's worth something.
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>>102221245
That seems to be what it's implying, but I think it would probably lead to quite a lot of suicides in reality.
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>>102221373
Shit.
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Does anyone remember the name of the manga about the tall hiki whose father dies and has that girl come take care of him that he falls in love with?
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I was a hikki for a couple years and this show had no real effect on me. I was still a hikki when I watched it.

Am I alone in this?
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>>102221689
Koi Kaze?
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>>102221723
Well, how did you get over it?
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>>102221735
No, he wasn't related to her
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>>102221723

>Am I alone in this?

There are 7 billion+ people on this planet. You are never alone, so shut the fuck up, and never ask that question again.
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>>102221245
This would never work with nordic countries and some parts of the USA with welfare systems that provide housing and you could also be diagnosed with some mental illness and get autism bucks.
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>>102221788
It's a sob story and I don't want to blog on /a/
>>102221804
You know what I meant cunt.
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>Implying Sato even gave misaki a chance to change him, ITT

Another anime ruined by pleb beta MC
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>>102221857
Does it involve a suicide attempt?
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>>102221804
you must be some kind of a retard
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>>102221857
I was stealthily asking for advice. Thanks for nothing
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>tfw Sato's life easily has more opportunity than my life ever will

Aaaand, cue Hitori no Tame no Lullaby.
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>>102221960
Sort of.
>>102222015
Turns out my anti-social habits were related to psychosis and bi-polar, I got medicated so I'm not sure what I can help you with.

If you want help with depression then I just drown my mind out constantly, multitasking whenever possible. Not sure if that's helpful at all but it's all I got.
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>>102222179
Like everything else in anime, it certainly romanticizes being a hikki. Fucking anime man. Always making life look cool and shit
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I thought it was funny how the promo art for this show completely deviates from what it is
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>>102218167
I'll accept a psycho bitch any day if she's obsessed with me. When you're as good at manipulating as I am, you can mold them into a perfect waifu.
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>>102222413
Naw dude it wears you down.
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>>102221723
The author himself was/is a hiki. He wound up squandering away all his royalties from te show if I recall.
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>>102222805
Yeah I'm aware.
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>>102221876
It's an anime about a shut-in, dude. Why would he be anything other than beta? If anything he was pretty confident compared to real life shut ins.
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>>102222413
The manga actually showed what happened to Hitomi after her boyfriend proposed. A few months after the suicide island arc, she had a bad episode that ended with her trashing a room. Her future husband had no idea how to deal with it because she freaked out every time he tried to help her. Then she went back to Sato just for the sake of throwing everything away.

That's kind of why you don't want to deal with crazy bitches. They're fragile and can snap at any minute.
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>>102223055
Not all shut ins are beta. I would use a misaki to the fullest. Its not often a teenage girl that wants to change your life comes knocking on your door.
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Should have gone gay with Yamazaki after the Mia incident
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>>102218658
The actual writer was a hikki. One of the sole reasons he wrote NHK was to make some cash.
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Are there any other shows that portray the NEET life?
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>>102223860
Not a show but
>>102220542
Well there is an anime, but ignore it and play the VN
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Why would you want some slut to come save you from your hikki ways? I used to e normal and have a social life. Now that I'm a hikki I've never been happier in my life. Having a girlfriend isn't going to fix you or make you happier. You can't be fixed. There's people that like to be social and there's those that don't. If you don't want to be around people trying to force yourself is just going to make you worse off.
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>>102224390
Conspiracy.
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>>102224390
ok
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>>102224390
>reading the manga
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>>102224594
>not reading all three
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>>102212163
Where do you find them?
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>>102221689
It's Hiroya Oku's work as far as I recall, look among these.
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>>102224642
>reading an anime
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>>102224858
>Hiroya Oku
http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=4418
Thanks
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>>102211423
>watch NHK at lowest point in life
>looking for a funny comedy to cheer me up
>it does half the job
>final two episodes
>becoming even more deepressed
>she didn't even kiss him and kissing in media always annoys me, but here it would of been FUCKING PERFECT
If they just kissed all of the deepression it gave me would of been justified
Besides the ending of Eva pre EoE, I haven't been more dissapointed in an anime, not because the quality, or how good it was but how stupid it could be.

Also the first opening FUCKING SUCKED but the first ending was fucking amazing.
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>>102224891
>The books always better.
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>all these shows about lonely otaku
>the cure to their problems? a girl, EVERY TIME
i swear it really does sound like a conspiracy
>hey young people of Japan, government here, start fucking more will ya
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>>102221245
Hikkis lack coping skills
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I watched this entire show with my anti-social NEET friend and he laughed it all off.
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>>102224891
>subs
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>>102225032
>missing the joke
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>>102225424
> anti-social NEET
> friend
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>>102225680
I've been his only friend since we graduated high school 3 years ago.

Anyway, someone can be anti-social and still have friends. They'd just prefer to not be around them very often.
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>>102221245
This is at least the obvious point of the anime.

>>102221373
>You can still be a hiki and have a part time job, you know.
Um, no you can't. Some hikikomori go outside alone for walks or bike rides, or to the store for necessities, but otherwise being a shut-in is pretty much the definition of hikikomori.

>I wouldn't consider having bare minimum human contact at a job as normal.
Why not? Tons of people live like this, and no one calls them hikkis. I have no other contact with the outside world than my job and I do not consider myself a shut-in anymore.
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>>102226415
You are a shut in. You're the same as us.
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>>102226415My mom called me a hikki the other day and said I should be more like riajuu
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>>102226724
r u nipponjin
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This fucking shirt
When I spotted it laughed. A lot.
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>>102226415
I know a kid who was a hikki outside of working third-shift at a McDonalds.
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>>102226615
A shut-in generally doesn't leave. I leave my room for 40 hours per week. That isn't being a shut-in.

>>102226928
No you don't. Hikikomori do not work. Also, it's best to restrict that term to the East Asian phenomenon, as it involved more socially than simply being a loner.
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Just a reminder that blogging faggotry belongs on /r9k/
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So if I start 12 hour 3 days 3 nights and 3 off shift work, I'd still be a 'shut-in'
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>>102227151
thanks
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>>102227105
>Hikikomori do not work.

Heh, that's not how it works. There are varying degrees of being a hikki. Not all hikkis are agoraphobic.
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>>102227105
I make money on freelance software development. I haven't left the house in 6 months at least. I guess I'm not a hikki either.
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>>102227271
No one mentioned agoraphobia. Quit making things up.

>>102227321
No, you're a shut-in. Hikikomori is for the most part a particularly East Asian social phenomenon. It has a lot to do with Asian cultural expectations and family dynamics.
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>>102227321
>freelance software development
I would do something like that but programming is the some of the most boring shit I've ever done.
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>>102227433
Either way, you're implying *loners/shut-ins* by definition apparently don't work.

That's not how it works. Not all loners/shut-ins are agoraphobic and not all jobs require you to leave your home. You seem to be confused.
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>>102227433
It really doesn't. It has to do with how disconnected you are with society. You're just reading a dictionary.

>Blah blah social standards blah blah withdrawal syndrome is only an Asian thing.
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>>102225777
anti-social means youre a psychopath

unsocial is what you're looking for
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>>102227548
No, I'm not. I was talking about hikikomori.

You are the confused one here. You're trying to shift the terms of the argument so you don't have to admit you fucked up.

>>102227646
>pls i just wanna be cool like the hikkis
It's an sociological term, and you can fucking google for a few basic articles on the subject. It's not hard. You don't get to make it up as you go along because you want to be one.
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>>102227797
I haven't left my house in months. Haven't had a job in 6 years. Never moved out of the parents house. I don't need yo be 'cool' like hiki. You're the one dropping textbook Nippon descriptions and claiming 'Asians only'
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>>102227797
>I was talking about hikikomori

Yes, so was I. They work. You've said nothing to prove otherwise aside from "nuh uh". You seem to think that people can't work while being a hikki. Hell, proof enough is the author of NHK himself.

As for your other reply, I don't think anyone strives to be tagged a hikikomori.
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>>102228020
You appear to be laboring under the impression that hikikomori works like baptism (i.e., once baptized, always baptized). You can work and then still fall back on it. Or you can work from home, but this is pretty rare. What you cannot do, is have a job at McDonald's and still be hikikomori. You'd just be a loner, or generally withdrawn.

>>102228011
It's an Asian social phenomenon that's still being studied and defined. You don't get to just apply it to yourself because it sounds kind of like you. That's like calling yourself clinically depressed because you feel depressed all the time.
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>>102228226
>It's an Asian social phenomenon

what's so asian about it that it seperates its from the rest of the world? besides the name?

you have my interest
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>>102228310
Fucking wikipedia, use it. Or google. I'm not doing your homework for you.
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>>102228226
Confirmed for being a moron. You're a Wikipedia warrior and nothing more. You say things like
>you think you apply to be hiki

And then in the same PST try to claim its an Asian only club. Gtfo with your psedo intelligence bull shit.
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>>102228226
>You appear to be laboring under the impression that hikikomori works like baptism (i.e., once baptized, always baptized).

I don't know what top hat you pulled this from, yet you think bringing up agoraphobia wasn't relevant to bring up. I think its safe to say you're talking out of your ass.
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This thread is bad and you should all feel bad.
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>>102228226
Feeling depressed all the time bars you from having clinical depression?

I don't even know what this non-argument is about, I just like combating fallacies and misinformation.
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>>102228310
Also, I never said Asian only, but that's where it's concentrated. It's a combination of social and psychological factors that thrive mostly in East Asian cultures. I can see it happening in some Slavic countries too.
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>>102228414
nah, burden of proof is on you.

its helps to say what you're trying to say
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>>102228414
Way confirmed. I wasn't even done posting and you just revealed yourself as a Wikipedia dweeb. You know nothing.
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>>102228429
Learn to read. Then go read this: >>102228499

>>102228494
Learn to read. Then reread my post and find out where I said that feeling depressed bars you from having clinical depression.
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>>102228414
>Fucking wikipedia, use it
Into the sea, you go.
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>>102228499
>Damage control

Just leave. People like you are why I hate going outside.
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>mentally broken cute girl
>good
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>>102228563
>Learn to read
>Learn to read

Maybe you should learn to speak.
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>>102228516
>>102228566
It involves the least amount of reading, which is clearly what you want to do. Or just check out. "I don't know words, tell me what they mean" is not an argument.
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>>102228563
>I said that feeling depressed bars you from having clinical depression.

wat

then how do you get diagnosed with clinical depression? by being happy?
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>>102228563
>Feeling depressed bars you from clinical depression.

Full retarded.
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>>102228664
I did my homework on my own shit. Because I am one, and fear being one. You're just hanging out in a thread trying to sound smart. Leave.
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>>102228670
By having a professional who know what that even means make the determination. Like hikikomori, clinical depression is a specific condition with a set of symptoms which doesn't even always include "feeling depressed."
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>>102228750
You just want to blog. I didn't tell you shit about my years as a shut in. I'm just here to tell you that you're full of shit. You don't get to decide that you're a hikikomori simply because you want to. Quit trying to be Japanese, you weeb.
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>>102228783
>doesn't even always

You're done here.
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>>102228664
More like it gives *you* the least amount of explaining. "Learn to read" and "look it up on Wikipedia" is not an argument.
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>>102228678
It's like you're not even trying anymore. I'm beginning to feel like you don't care.
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>>102228848
Uh oh. He'd resorted to rewording what I'm calling him and sending it back at me.
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>>102228925
>I'm beginning to feel like you don't care.
He must be clinically depressed.
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>>102228874
You can, of course, read the thread. You know, where I told you what it is multiple times. Try harder.
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>>102228925
Look at how pathetic your agruements have become. Why are you still here?
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>>102228986
so explain how its an asian phenomenon, retard.

thats where you resorted to going full retard
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>>102228986
Harder. You can do it, don't let me down.
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>>102229026
You're talking to the wrong person, for one.
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>>102229026
fucked that one up
>>102228982
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>>102229035
Were done here. You're drooling now. Did your wikibrain run out?
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>>102229060
great reply, wikipedibro.

you sure showed your extensive knowledge of asian sociology
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>>102229115
You're also talking to the wrong person.
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>>102229182
it's okay, you're probably just as retarded as he is so I don't feel like I made a mistake
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>>102229241
Shh kid. Shitposting is shitposting, shit for brains.

Prune this shit.
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>>102228670
>>102228678
Man, what the fuck. Keep in mind that I'm not this guy, but you should really learn to read. He used the adverb "where," not the conjunction "where."
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>>102229333
If he felt that the supposed misunderstanding was a big deal, he should have said so rather than following with an even worse statement.
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>>102229450
Absolutely, he didn't even point out how the two Anons had read wrong. He's not really bright.
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>Because as a shut in this made me even more depressed that I will never have a cute, mentally-broken 2D high school girl come and save me

except satou got out of his hikki life because he ran out of money and he was starving to death.
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>>102230140
What an idiot. You are supposed to think about that before you start starving.
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>>102230225
he didn't care that much because his parents were the ones supporting him with the money.

Once they couldn't support him anymore because of health issues i think, he realized he was fucked and spent days starving until he had to get whatever job he found to sustain himself. Of course the interaction with misaki helped him in some way but in the end there's no way to live a hikkikomori life without depending on someone or finding a way to get money.
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Wait. Wait wait wait. Wait a second.
Can somebody remind me how old was Satou at the time of the story?
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A girl tried to save me from being a hikkiomori. Only she didn't have the persistence of Misaki. I don't need saving and am content with my life. So I shut her out.
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The moral of the story was that the only way to help a far-gone hikikomori is by leaving him alone.
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Okay. I looked it up on Wikipedia.
He's 22. When I first watched this, 22 was so far away. I wondered if four years later I would be in his situation.
Now I'm 23.
I don't presume any of you has a t-t-time m-m-machine, r-right?
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>>102230927
I'm 23 and NEET i know your pain
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>>102230927
Chin up man. That's all we can do.
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>still no version of hitori bocchi without the hispanic man singing
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>>102230927
>>102231011
I've been a hikki for several years. I've forgotten how old I am. I'm either 26 or 27.
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>>102230559
The impression I got was that he was at least 21-22. He calls Misaki a kid (she's 18)
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>>102231113
derp, didnt read
>>102230927
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>>102211423
The moral of the story is "get a job so you can support your hikkimori ways"
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I don't think there really was much of a purpose in the story. There seemed to be a few themes at the end about why you shouldn't kill yourself, but other than that there didn't seem to be a clear purpose.

One thing it did do, though, was make me feel intense pity. I don't think I've ever felt more pity than I did when watching those characters and how miserable they all were.
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Knock Knock Knock
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>>102231550
Who's there?
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>>102231550
Are you a cute gril?
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This entire thread was wonderful, thanks /a/ for being a darker comedy than nhk could ever hope to be. Lighten up and enjoy the simple things in life, like best waifu ass.
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>>102231592
Life. It wants to tell you you've been feeling too good and you'll have to turn it down a notch or ten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVZVilQ4CM8
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The MC went though a lot of similar experiences as me. And we are both hikki

He fucked his senpai.
i fucked my senpai

He watched girls like a pervert. I did and snuck into the girl's bathroom to listen to them pee.

A pyramid scheme attempted to recruit him. A scientologist cult attempted to recruit me which was eerily similar.

He smokes I smoke.

A girl tried to save him. A girl tried to save me.

The only way we aren't similar is the suicide part. I never tried to kill myself
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>>102231099
I find this unlikely. I used to forget my age all the time during my years as a shut in but it's quite simple to do the subtraction if you know your birthday. And who forgets their birthday?
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>>102231776
>The only way we aren't similar is the suicide part. I never tried to kill myself
Well what are you waiting for?
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>>102231776
>A girl tried to save him
More like "A girl used him to feel better about herself"
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>>102231592
Reality.
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>>102231822
I'm too happy to kill myself. My life is bliss
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>>102231817
>who forgets their birthday?
I did. Twice.
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>>102221245
At that point some hikkis would just kill themselves. Not the most effective therapy if it has a mortality rate.
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>>102231900
These are usually the types of people who end up killing themselves. Curmudgeons are tough enough to trudge through the shithole that life is.
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>>102231850
All altruism is just a front for making yourself feel better that someone either needs you or is inferior to you. Hers was just more obvious.
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>>102231915
Hmm. Maybe it's because I had bills to pay over the phone and my birthday is one of the security questions? I never found myself forgetting my birthday, only how old I was.
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>>102231997
A real NEET has his parents pay the bills.
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>>102231949
What type?
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>>102232062
Happy people. When they hit a rough patch it hits hard.
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>>102232127
I've seen some shit. Mu delusions keep me happy.
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>>102230567
30+ year old neets are rare
40+ year old ones even more so

I've never even heard of a 50-60 year old NEET who's been NEET his entire life

maybe all NEETs kill themselves after they reach a certain age
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>>102232346
NEETs have to get jobs when their parents die or retire and can't pay their bills anymore.
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>>102232057
When you're getting unemployment compensation and your mother is as poor as you are, you pay your own bills.

>>102232062
Student loans. I also pitched in a little for rent, but that stopped once I started running short on cash.
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>>102223241
Doesn't the manga alter her personality from the very beginning ( compared the the novel and the anime)?
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>>102232062
>>102232495
Shit, was reading the wrong post. I'm retarded, let me go kill myself.
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>>102232572
See, I told you! Happy people.
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>>102232561
The manga alters most personalities.
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How do hikkis continue living?

A human without any drive or ambition, that sounds like a very difficult life to live.
When your entire life is passive and there's nothing grand to look forward to or work towards, there's no difference between waking up or just lying in bed the whole day.
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>>102232127
I'm more likely to kill somebody than kill myself. Although I do contemplate murder suicide but I doubt many people haven't.
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Good morning /a/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_7z_WVcpdw
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>>102232640
That's pretty much how you continue. Living is natural, so you just do. You lie in bed until you physically can't anymore, and then you either find something to do or just sit there.
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>>102232640

I dont know anything about hikis, but the second I get home from work/forced socializing I feel better. This tiny room is my own sanctuary.

Read, watch anime, and play video games. The answer to life.
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>>102232640
>there's no difference between waking up or just lying in bed the whole day
Well you got that right, that's the gist of it. Consuming media isn't even enjoyable, it's just something to shave off a few seconds out of every horrible minute.
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>>102232640
Being a hikki is a real pleasure
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>>102232640
>nothing to look forward to
Next season
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>>102232818
well just like how you enjoy water more when you're thirsty, you enjoy your leisure more after you work and are tired
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>>102233035
baby, please kill me
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>>102232640
>difference between waking up or just lying in bed the whole day
Be glad you will never be in a state of mind where you are actually fine with lying in bed the whole day.
During my worst year it took me four hours to get out of bed after waking up every day. And I slept 12~14 hours too.
Not like this is something to brag about, damn it.
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>>102222241
The hikki life is amazing. All your pleasures are contained within your small living space and the occasional midnight walk. There is nothing to fear except the outside world, which you deftly evade, and your own memories, which you drown under tv screens and computer monitors. It's like being in utero.

I'd live that way my entire life if I had the money to, and it's a perfectly valid life choice. The problems come when you get bogged down by irrational notions of social utility, or the latent shame and guilt you've been carrying since early childhood that led you to the hikki life to begin with.

I'd be a bad hikki counselor.
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>>102222241
And I also don't think the show romanticized the hikki life at all. I think anyone unfamiliar with it would think it's absolute shit from the show alone. It's only that you recognize the sublime pleasure of it from the small vignettes of the show. Can you really think of any scene that would make a "normal" person think "wow, that seems like so much fun!"?
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>>102233458
I am of the opinion that if you're really happy with how you live, you can go right ahead as long as it isn't disrupting someone else's life. If you can somehow make the cash to self sustain as a hikki, then it's your right to do so.
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>>102222805
Squandering or just blew through them with living expenses?
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>>102227713
Asocial is what you're looking for.
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>>102232640
Yeah, shit sucks. No job, no friends, no education, I don't find any enjoyment out of anything except it gives me a passing sense of accomplishment when I do anything. A busy day for me is watching a movie and an episode or two of some series, maybe listen to music as I play a game or something. It isn't enjoyable but it keeps my mind off of things. Alcohol helps as well. I have an unbelievable amount of luck though, I couldn't tell you how I pay for things, live with my parents but anything else is on me. I get lucky with scratch off tickets and I take bags of aluminium cans to recycling places. saged for blog shit.
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>>102232640
Because living is the most simply thing to do and comes naturally. Hikkis are still human things and for the most part don't actually want to die.
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>>102233607
straight from episode two he has a cute girl come to his place and offer to help him. then turns out a great friend of his lives right next door. from then on they have all sorts of adventures. he also doesnt do shit and gets food for free from the girl everyday.

not romanticized at all

...furthermore, he lives in japan, where jobs are plentyful and pay well. some people are neet because of high unemployment rates in their country, for example. but thats another story altogether,

in the end it's still anime. its easier to watch a docummentary to see what this sort of life is really like
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>>102231950
Not true. Altruism can be motivated by empathy, in which case you're helping them because they're harshing your buzz on life and just generally making you feel bad by being destitute or miserable.
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>>102235102
How does that not fall into making oneself feel better?
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>>102232640
How do art critics life? Or wage slaves, for that matter? You don't need to be working towards anything as long as you have things you enjoy. Thank god for the glorious internet age, where a world of pleasure is infinitely expanding in front of our computer monitors!

Remember, you can't change your hikki ways!
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>>102235102
I'm contesting the reasons; i.e. my example did not involve someone needing the altruist nor the altruist feeling better than that person.
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>>102234875
Okay, no part of those first four sentences has anything to do with being hikki, and any viewer who isn't an imbecile should realize as much. That he is a hikki who has non-hikki-related opportunities and adventures fall into his lap is not a romanticization of hikki-dom, it's story telling.
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Whoops, replied to myself by accident.

>>102235423 is meant for >>102235178.
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>>102235789
It comes across really clearly to me in the anime but I can see how someone could see otherwise. The novel, however, makes it very clear.
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>>102211952
everyone is the broken one
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The suicide-pact scene always makes me feel like not killing myself, if just for a moment.
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I was 22 when I watched this and basically a shut-in alcoholic. Really hit me that time. I'm 27 now and have improved a bit (part-time job, uni studies, friends, not smoking anymore, no hard drinking, occasionally seeing friends). Still the goddamn depression and anxiety drags me down periodically to the point where I'm in danger to sink into the pit again.

Also sage for blog shit.
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>>102238584
I feel like I'm going through that right now, I posted >>102234639 and I'm hoping I can get to where you're at. Does it get better? (sage)



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