OK, so I am in the middle of watching Gurren-Laggann and I have to say I don't understand what the big deal is.
It feels like I am watching Dragonball Z, but with Mecha instead of Martial arts.
This does get better, right?
OP here, there is a post below comparing it and several others to DBZ.
I did not see that when I posted!
Tell me it gets better...please?
Night /a/ usually doesn't suck this much.
Naruto with robots.
it gets better.
Maybe you're better off watching Lucky Star instead
Just stop watching now.
Just watch 15. The rest is garbage.
it gets far better. Especially past ep 15. However, most of /a/ reflexively hates the show after the shitloads of threads about it when it was still on the air.
You haven't watched more than ten seconds of GL.
Nice try, though.
newfag spring break
I don't think you've either watched DBZ or Gurren-Lagann.
I don't think you're watching GL. Enjoy your Lucky Shit.
Not even trying
I don't want faggots like you in my fanbase.
OK, I'll keep watching it. I spent the time to DL it may as well.
And I HATE Lucky Star, most annoying anime ever.
>It feels like I am watching Dragonball Z, but with Mecha instead of Martial arts.
>Dragonball Z, but with Mecha instead of Martial arts.
>Dragonball Z with Martial arts.
>Dragonball Z had Martial arts.
Say what now?
No, stop watching. I don't want faggots that would even think GL is ANYTHING similar to DBZ. DBZ out of all the anime out there? Really REALLY? At least say it's a Getter Robo rip-off for fucksake.
I think the same but is only my opinion
Stop replying to yourself. Goddamn.
But with the +20 sunglasses of GAR.
And /a/ eventualy hates every anime it finds watchable.
I'll go on record and declare Gurren-Lagann as anything but mindless, completely incomparable to GaoGaiGar or the like. The show is that of a strong opinion, one carried by an unflinching speech. The delivery of a multi-layered meaningful assertion is the ultimate objective, a carefully calculated achievement towards an "altered state of mind".
The narrative strips a media swallowed down by purposeless plot convulsion from unnecessary fluff and successfully intertwines in a concrete shape of unyielding palpability what is commonly recognized as separate: argument, theme and symbolism take a single. From the depths of nostalgia the forgotten but powerful voice of honest beliefs surfaces within a technique of representation built over naked, yet fundamental, ideas. In more than one way this essential notion behind the storytelling is deliberately old-fashioned yet actively forward-looking.
Stagnation, mindless progress and the very nature of human "evolution"; with a manifest yet subtle use of imagery such an abstraction becomes core for the script. They're amazingly broad, basically limitless, yet due to their handling tangible enough to be substantial. Textually knitted into the actual writing without even resorting to term dropping; eloquently described through a seamless combination of visuals, dialogs and raw feelings.
Even from the very first episode, the attributed core theme is unconcealed to the eyes; enclosed tightly into the premise behind Kamina's constant claims of a "burning youth" breaking through a "ceiling" towards an idealized heaven of freedom. The physical "ceiling" keeping Jeeha village in the underground is just allegoric of a limitation decided by "those that came before"; a literary reiteration that outlines the complete creative purpose. Something that could be called a "youth chained by the foolishness of their ancestors" if you wanted to be dramatic.
From the same episode, we are presented with the "burden of responsibility". The Elder states it clearly: "I'm not taking care of you orphans because I want to! It's because I'm the elder and it's my task to ensure the future of this village."
It's simple, yet very eloquent. A piece of brilliant characterization.
Many talks have been had in this board about the idea of "progress" and "generations" across Gurren-Lagann's narrative, but I believe some of you are over-looking another key concept integral to the storytelling: "individuality".
Gurren-Lagann declares individuality as:
-Something necessary for progress
-Something you achieve rather than being born with.
-A single individual may begin a "social revolution" in order to destroy standardization.
-It's reciprocal. You gain individuality by your interactions with others.
“What is a person?
Eh?... Well, a person is something like us, that looks like this, and has a face...
There are others, too?
Huh? Ah, yes, there are...
Really? Are they all like you? Do they have a face like yours?
We're not the same. If we had the same face, it would be disturbing.”
It's impressive how much a simplistic dialog says about the global conflict AND the episode in question.
-Faces are a clear symbol of individuality in Gurren-Lagann. Hence the heavily characterized faced machines and the vilification of the mugan.
-By proxy, declares lack of individuality and "fitting in" as something disturbing.
-Hence portrays Simon's inner conflict after Kamina's demise. Him wanting to showcase a face that wasn't his.
-Similarly, it states the route of Nia's character development. Despite her looks, she was always one of millions: a doll for Lord Genome, a messenger for the Anti-Spiral. It's also her purpose for the narrative to portray another route to how reciprocal "individualization" is, since both she and Simon become individuals only through the help of each other.
>-Faces are a clear symbol of individuality in Gurren-Lagann. Hence the heavily characterized faced machines and the vilification of the mugan.
Here you could find an ambiguity in the fact that Kamina “stole” his face to the enemy. But this was merely reinforced the statement of individuality being something you win rather than something you’re born with.
There is also a very interesting social statement lying in the underneath. Kamina created a revolution, he inspired a broad number of similar-minded proxies to attain their own individual faces by stealing them from "repression". Kamina's and Simon's face, Gurren-Lagann, became a symbol of hope. It's a concept as accomplished as SAC's memetics, but explained in a more down-to-earth and eloquent fashion.
>I'm not the same person as you.
>As a matter of fact, I'm a totally different person.
>But because we are different, I believe we can live together.
>Thank you... for this ring.
>I am very happy
Concretely, this takes the idea of "different faces" forward and reinforces the idea of a reciprocal individualization. Beyond that, this perfectly ties in with:
>Genetic diversity via sexual reproduction is the key to evolution.
...to a more blatant extent and adds to the overall dramatics of Nia, who was so proud of her self-attained individuality, becoming but a puppet for a society of "same-faced" individuals.
Didn't they already do all of that in Evangelion?
GAINAX, SAME SHIT ALL THE TIME
As for now, I'll explain how characters assert their individuality by their interactions with others through the more simplistic examples I can find:
-Kamina's security came from his need to become a man that would respect Simon.
-Simon's strength and personality came from the belief of both Kamina and Nia.
-Nia "learned" from Simon to become her own self, to be someone different from just "Genome's daughter".
As for a metafictional take on this statement, I'll resort to quoting Gainax own history:
>>assert your individuality by your interactions with others.
Has been every single aspect of Gainax since day one. Every single Gainax work owes plenty to different narratives. They've mastered their own voice through experimenting with others' voices.
Professional opinion, by Utena's director himself:
Gurren-Lagann is a show that uses nostalgia as structure, but follows a very forward-looking narrative in the underneath. It's a statement on the medium itself, so to speak, and probably the more important robot story of the decade.
Aishta no Joe's mangaka:
At first, I was kinda apathetic at giving this show an award. It had a heart, surely, but it felt like a quotation of the past rather than at attempt to move the medium forward. After a talk with Ikuhana, I decided to give the show another shot. Not only it is visually very interesting, the overall narrative uses anime itself as a metafictional medium of plot development. Using robots stolen from the enemy against them? Build your civilization over the structure you've just destroyed? Getting a hold of your ancestors ships yet making them fit your shape? It's all so brilliant and subtle you can't help but laugh in awe.
Copypasta. Posted exact same shit over on /m/ tonight.
Loser who has no life and tried to find meaning in his life by over-analyzing a fucking cartoon.
Not over analysis if all of these themes and developments are clear as water.
Oh lawd. Iz dis sum Om Nom Nom-tan rip off.
Copypasta is a weaboo who has finally found meaning in his life by trying to convince everyone Gurren-Lagann is the BEAST ANIMU EVAR!!!!!
How can oyu not see that its the best?
It is if you have the time to analyze an anime to that extent, loser.
Sage for shit.
Hey OP, I agree with you. I never really "got" what was so awesome about Gurren Lagann. Yeah, it's a cool show and all, but it's not OMG BEST THING EVARS. It doesn't suck, either.
Although, I do like coming in here (or /m/) and trolling with GL SUX just because of the extreme reactions I get.
Sage for Naruto
In b4 Cirno's troll essay copy-pasta.
I guess your taste just sucks.
>I guess Gurren-Laggann just sucks.
All the GL fans will disagree with me, but I found the show to be much much better after episode 15.
ITT butthurt fanboys.
I found the show to be equally compelling through... except for episodes 14 and 24. What god awful script-writing.
I'm with you there. 15+ had the EPIC FIGHTS upgraded, and then we got timeskip.
It still wasn't totally awesome for me, though. I'd rather watch House than Gurren Lagann.
POOR GL NEEDS ANONYMOUS ON AN IMAGE BOARD ACCEPTANCE
Your opinion is very important to us.
And this interests me because... ?
sage for lucky star
maybe if you didn't have the brain capacity of a 5 year old.
I agree with you, but I will say that it's only because of the groundwork laid by the first 15 episodes.
You're forgetting the QUALITY of episode 4.
Don't look at the picture unless you want the GL movie spoiled for you, by the way.
I LIKED EPISODE 4. Osamu Kobayashi is a great director.
OP, take it to /m/. They're actually willing to have conversations. /a/ is only good for Lucky Shit and MANkoto.
And crossdressing Kaiji. But we won't get into that.