The king is starting to suck up this faggot ass frieds. Hopefully he will die soon enough.
Shit, that speech got my blood pumping
Does this count like next's week chapters or do we get more tomorrow?
Because it's still this week and not next, right?
MUH 98 LEADERSHIP
Uh, next release is Thursday.
But that's like 20 days from now, how can I handle this hype?
I don't know, Strength seems to job hard against anyone with high Intelligence unless you got special stats like Duke Hyou and his 100 intuition.
And even then, you can technically say Riboku outsmarted the guy at the end.
Leadership definitely seems more important this arc given how Riboku and Sei are both the pivotal points of the campaign and best girl has even higher leadership than those two
Hibernate. Didn't you learn from Moubu? HOLD IT ALL IN FOR ONE EXPLOSIVE BURST!
So who's the next in line for a horrible death
Why do you think half the people in Kingdom go all MUH ANGRY FACES even when they aren't in battle?
Obviously because they are constipated holding in the hype. Then once they let loose it's like this.
That explains why Rokuomi always has that face on him 24/7, he spoiled himself by reading the raws but the Chinese haven't discovered Japan yet, how could he figure out what they're saying?
Who's the chick on the right? Yotanwa?
Mouten's leadership is that high?
Well he is one of a kind in Kingdom.
its [spoilers] the Assassin sent after Sei [/spoilers]
Hasn't appeared as of this chapter but is one of those participating in the siege of Sai.
can't really say this is a spoiler since he's on the cover.
Qin or coalition.
And... you mean... he?
You mean that persons pees standing?
He's titless isn't he.
He's Zhao. Not going to spoil more, he's a pretty minor character. Only appears in this arc so far.
coalition, he's sorta comic relief
>He's titless isn't he.
So is Kyoukai. And Mouten. Doesn't mean they are guys.
So is Shin currently the highest ranking commander there?
Will he lead the 35thousand people?
Wasn't Shoubunkun a higher Commander before becoming Chancellor?
But it most likely will be Shin, his training trip to conquer that one stateless region with shit fighters and all
Shoubunkun is the highest ranking commander , and I guess Sei will be the "official" commander to maintain morale high.
Sei's the highest rank there bro
Highest Commander with actual Experience in leading people on the battlefield
That would be Shoubunkun by a landslide. Shin ain't got shit on him.
Shoubunkun was a general before he gave that up to join the civil service.
Heki is a 3000 man commander. So he's next highest. [He got that high by ABILITY man. ABILITY]
It would be the chancellor but you'll see how they will split up the task with defending the fort in a few chapters or so. This arc is like 50ish chapters long i think, looking through the chinese scans all i can say is its amazing
err not 50ish but it ends around 354 my bad
Also a pretty good depiction of the being seiged side, since Qin's been the agressor most of this manga.
I don't know, has Shoubunkun performed feats such as killing generals as skilled as Lun Hu?
Killing Mangoku and leading 10 000 people to reverse the tide of the battle was serious growth for Shin as well.
Lun Hu has never been in a position that Shoubunkun is taking right now. Combat skills are not the requirement here, it's leadership and knowledge.
Shoubunkun rapes Shin in that regard.
nah, i doubt that
shoubunkun surely has his own retainers?
shouldn't shoubunkun be pretty strong? obviously not great general strong, but ouki even had a grudge against him in the beginning.
Heki is his trusted aide, the only reason Heki is fighting in the first place is because Shoubunkun has to climb politics so he's leaving the military ladder to Heki.
Which shows you just how weak the King's faction was when they started. Heki was a joke.
He's been retired for many years, and unlike Ouki didn't keep in shape through training. He was busy learning court politics.
but shin will still be leading some more troops than the 2000 he came with, right?
I mean Ouhon and Mouten both got upgraded to 5000-Commanders, so he should too
Ouki said Shoubunkun was the original Shin. He lead a special unit and Ouki respected him enough to indirectly protect him in the civil war.
He's not incompetent by any means.
Shin's just really good at charging his men at enemy generals and killing enemy generals. He doesn't have much experience leading men, particularly in a siege battle.
Heki. He's good at showing up at the right time and not getting murdered by stronger enemies I guess
>You will never be a peasant listening to your king give a once and a life time speech
Yes, but the main point is that Shin cannot be expected to be the Commander-in-Chief of Sai.
Shin's strength is in the front lines. How's he gonna use it if he's sitting in the officer room giving orders to everyone?
Once and lifetime because you are about to get your ass murdered by the Zhao
That was a great moment, when Seis little brother trashtalked Ryofui.
I'd like to think Sei's act of diminishing himself as a background character helped in Riboku underestimating the young king's true worth, which ultimately is you know, what bites him in the ass.
In a sense, you could say Sei outplayed Riboku a hundred or so chapters ago.
Oh dog this series makes me pumped with every fucking chapter
Chinese castles seem to have terrible positions and seem to be easy as fuck to assault but still
Fuck it, I'm going to fire up some desperate sieges in TW to get me pumped
>Chinese castles seem to have terrible positions and seem to be easy as fuck to assault but still
now that you mention it..
they also have the same form, probably because the author is to lazy to think up scenery.
You gotta understand this was ancient times, not medieval.
Yeah but fuck even Athens or Rome were on fairly defensible sites. Gallic Alesia required the very best the Romans could muster. Numantia, another 'barbarian' settlement, also required a protracted siege. In the Third Punic War, Carthage was on its last legs yet ffered a good fight and Tyre kept Alexander busy for a whole year. Here the cities seem to be in the middle of a mountain valley, quite a bit away from rivers and with all sides vulnerable. It's not surprising dudes like Ousen could rack up a dozen cities in one campaign.
We'll need armchair historians to explain it for us. I'm just gonna go with the Chinese having an obsession with squares.
All this makes me want to do is have some crazy mount and blade crusader kings dynasty warriors empires amalgamation game.
Its just simplified. The walls are also far higher and thicker then should be possible with their level of technology back then.
>mount and blade
You are so right. Reading Shin go from peasant slave to Chinese Hitman is elating as fuck, just as raising your Swadian peasants to be knights was.
But would you be able to resist abusing overpowered Kyou Kai and sending her to assassinate every enemy camp leader at night?
But then you and your unit wouldn't gain fame on the battlefield and stuff.
You have to do with what type of terrain you have (mountains, plains, rivers nearby..) you can't always have great defensive conditions.
Also when you build a city inhabited by dozens or hundreds of thousands of people you can,t put it in a location were it is hard to reach for supplies.
If you look at it Kanyou has not such a bad position.
- It is surrounded by mountains and only reachable by 2 heavily guarded ways.
- Built near a river, because of that the enemy has to take care of the nearby city (Sai) before attacking Kanyou and thus risking an attack from the forces coming from one of the 2 passes.
Obviously the fact that all the forces are blocked at Kankoku Pass allows defeats the advantage of a good location.
That being said I agree that many cities in China during that period were not that high.
It's hard to resist abusing Kyoukai
I don't even read Kingdom, I just happened to be passing through, but Warring States-era chinese castles were generally rectangular. I forget the inherent logic, but in that period it was apparently the easiest to defend. It's also important to remember that, unlike European and Japanese Castles (where the Castle is a small core, surrounded by the castle town where the bulk of the populace lived), Chinese "Castles" envelope the whole city (the chinese word for a "castle" is really the word for "City," and are thus cover a significantly larger area, making it significantly harder to defend. Smaller crenelations more commonly found in European castles would require large amounts of resources to build and a large populace to man and maintain.
As said before, I haven't read kingdom, but sieges even in the Spring and Autumn period were much longer than are likely depicted--the siege of one of qi by yan (before the events of Kingdom) took over five years without the city ever falling, though its stubborn resistance was more the exception than the rule.
Fame about a legendary ghost is much more effective.
>Bitches don't know bout MUH HANDICAP WARRIORS
Yeah well don't come crying when Kyoukai is killed by a stray javelin to the eye
Unmodded Warband was annoying as fuck when a stray bolt hit you in the face and even though you had an army of veteran Terminators you still auto-lost to a rag-tag group of peasants
fucking ravages of time. no threads ever
Just like real life if you decided to lead from the front.
Then again, once you have enough money you could have a throwing axe embedded in your head and survive.
It's a fun read but it takes a lot of time to digest
Still, like Kingdom it has memorable moments and charcters, such as:
>YOU SHALL NOT PASS dude
>eyeball-eater who solo'd a mining shaft
>'I will rape your ass in exactly three days'
Thanks for the info and you really should give Kingdom a try. You will probably like it.
How do you think Mougou made Moubu the strongest?
Please nigguh, you assassinate in the cover of night in disguise while your forces create a distraction on the opposite end of camp.
>not mentioning DEM GRAVE DIGGUHS
>'I will rape your ass in exactly three days'
Was it that guy, pic related?
I cant wait for him fucking up Ma Chao in 10 years from now
Yeah, that's the power of his stand
Well Moubu has 99 strength, so I'm guessing he did the Almost-Saitama routine.
>99 push ups
>99 sit ups
>99 chin ups
>9 km run
>99 ANGRY FACES
All day every day. After 3 years, Moubu noticed two changes.
1. He was strong.
2. He could no longer smile.
Genes are spread alternating, so his are in Mouten.
This fucker is truly terrifying when he makes an oath.
He probably fully opened his eyes.
One more of each of those and he would have lost his hair
Why is every sunday Kingdom thread one hour of discussing the recent chapter, then the thread almost dying before someone bump it with talking shit about Riboku or how the horses are getting drawn, then it getting into Waifu territory, before derailing into a Ravages of Time thread.
Oh shit, you're right.
Sadly he is currently in the Red Cliff battle and will later be mostly paired against Zhuge Liang.
I just hope that Chan Mou makes ZL not that overpowered like in the original.
Just as Keikaku according to Mougou. Can't have his son lose his manly hair, might affect his grand daughter.
Chalk up one more piece of evidence of Mougou being meta as fuck. It's obvious he's the MC of the prequel to Kingdom.
>Renpa... when I always faced you, I have never opened my eyes. But this time, I will come at you with my full strength..with my eyes open!
Is it just me or does Duke Hyou look like Hulk Hogan?
But he would get his ass handed to him perpetually by Renpa in such a work!
ZL is already inferior to LYH, GY, ZF, and most likely MC.
The only Tiger General who he has a chance against is old man HZ, who is seriously overpowered for his age.
In Wei he's matched by ZH and PD.
Wu is the side that I'm absolutely confused about. They gained GN, but lost TSC. Aren't they the most fucked?
That's because Renpa is the Rindaman / Guriko of the prequel. He even has the crazy look to him.
so spoilerdudes, what's happening at kankoku pass during this siege?
>ZL, LYH, GY, ZF, HZ, ZH, PD, GN, TSC.
Looks pretty complex.
Nothing important really happens. They have reached a certain parity, if not to even say advantage with having killed 2 out of 3 Chu generals. Yet they themselves lost Chotou and Duke Hyou.
>Liao Yuan Huo
>Tai Shi Ci
Not really. You mostly remember them by the fact that they are alive, and rape everyone else real hard.
Oh, so they are stalling the qin army to support Riboku, and after the Sai fiasco they are going to withdraw, right?
Riboku comes back ahsmed to Shunshikun but still says he can salvage the situation. Given it's Riboku with a Houken it still was possible to do something but Shunshikun has enough of his shit and sends the coalition army to take a few Qi castles instead.
No, I meant Zhuge Liang with that. He is described as godly in the RoTK; though it would be against how Ravages of Time is narrated and how everyone loses from time to time and finds a superior strategist.
And I mean not only later against Sima Yi.
Read Chen Mou's Unhuman. That Zhuge Liang was an a smart opportunist, nowhere near as godly as his ROTK counterpart. I imagine it will be something similar now.
I feel like a little bitch because it brought a few tears to my eyes.
With the exception of RoTK, other accounts of that period depict Zhuge Liang as an amazing administrator and inventor, but a poor strategist and judge of character. Even the Mary Sue version of Zhuge Liang in the romance is a poor judge of character.
I read most manga with a poker face but I teared up when this appeared
Or when Ouki died
I think Zhuge will get owned by guys like Jia Xu in battles, but have enough back up plans to minimize the effects.
Zhuge is more like Sima Yi, Guo Jia, Zhao Yu and Yuan Fang, where he doesn't invest a shit load of critical resources in one gamble but tries to put his hands in everything.
In contrast, with guys like Jia Xu, Pang Tong, and Xun Yu, you got these three who don't do jack shit for god knows how long, but then go ALL IN MOTHER FUCKER and crush the opposition with massive prep work in the form of a domino chain.
The thing that I enjoyed was that despite the entire chapter's dialogue being 100% predictable and cliche, it was executed well enough to produce such reactions.
I think that's a sign of quality. When you can take bread and butter and people won't even get bored of it.
I can't hold all of this hype for the next group of chapters
These threads are going to be so fun when there won't be any raws and it will be all fresh
It just blended so well together. The villagers reactions before and after realizing their king is before them. Their reactions to the king stating hes going to fight side by side, risking his own life, like all of them.
It was just really good.
Also these last words were just so perfect. I reread this chapter like 5 times.
The last batch of chapters have been so great I can hardly express it in words.
So, I basically don't know anything about RoTK, and I tried the first Ravages of Time volume
I didn't get almost anything. Is It just me?
What will we do anons, when there are no raws left? ;_;
Yeah the first chapters are wonky as fuck
\\then it stabilizes and even if you don't know anything about ROTK then you can still figure out who's who more or less and just watch the action and hell, you're better off due to no historical spoilers
It's a consistent weekly, unlike say, Historie, which had breaks and then went bi-MONTHLY (RIPIP)
>then it stabilizes and even if you don't know anything about ROTK then you can still figure out who's who more or less and just watch the action and hell, you're better off due to no historical spoilers
Ok, thanks man.
That was so amazing, because is was such a completely irrelevant joke character before and still caused these feels
I know. He was so unimportant and just a background comic relief character and they still make you feel for me.
When I started reading RoT I didnt knew about the background too.
I just looked up the battles afterwards and what happened in real life, so it made more sense.
Also, it will be less confusing, once you are getting familiar with the characters and the overall policial situation.
RIDE THE THOUGHTS AND WISHES OF ALL YOUR COMRADES AND CLIMB YOUR WAY UP TO A GREAT GENERAL OF THE HEAVENS
Re-reading it gave me bigger feels than the first time since all the other people died too. Also in a way Shin's quest is to basically become a god of war and become in this way immortal
And then he ends being remembered only as that failure that fucked up one of the Qin campaigns and swiftly forgotten.
And here I am waiting on subs for the latest episode...
Author is probably going to rewrite it so that he does what Outen did in real life.
I'm like this guy except I played Dynasty Warriors 3 briefly at a friend's house. So I had a vague notion of who everyone was (Lu Bu campaign). It was quite the drastic change but I really enjoyed it.
Growing up on wuxia films might have also helped me 'accept' the style even if I've long since grown tired of wuxia in general.
No way. He might get flexible like with the current alliance war, that was historical just a minor incursion, but he would not downright rewrite history.
you know xin survived the war was made a duke and his descendants became the emperors of the tang dynasty right?
He'll probably do the fuck up, but have him redeem himself after.
Xin's lineage has a knack for being winners after all. Even Li Dian chose the winning Kingdom in 3 Kingdoms!
>Read Historie the other day
>Fall in love with it, 10/10
>Get to the end
>Last chapter: 2013
>4 chapter came out last year
Enjoy your wait m8