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The king is starting to suck up this faggot ass frieds. Hopefully he will die soon enough.
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Shit, that speech got my blood pumping
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Charisma>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Strenght>>>Intelligence
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Does this count like next's week chapters or do we get more tomorrow?
Because it's still this week and not next, right?
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>>102193688
MUH 98 LEADERSHIP
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>>102193952
Uh, next release is Thursday.
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>>102194045
But that's like 20 days from now, how can I handle this hype?
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>>102193688
I don't know, Strength seems to job hard against anyone with high Intelligence unless you got special stats like Duke Hyou and his 100 intuition.

And even then, you can technically say Riboku outsmarted the guy at the end.

Leadership definitely seems more important this arc given how Riboku and Sei are both the pivotal points of the campaign and best girl has even higher leadership than those two
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>>102194095
Hibernate. Didn't you learn from Moubu? HOLD IT ALL IN FOR ONE EXPLOSIVE BURST!
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So who's the next in line for a horrible death
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>>102194320
30k civilians
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>>102194095
Why do you think half the people in Kingdom go all MUH ANGRY FACES even when they aren't in battle?

Obviously because they are constipated holding in the hype. Then once they let loose it's like this.
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>>102194364

That explains why Rokuomi always has that face on him 24/7, he spoiled himself by reading the raws but the Chinese haven't discovered Japan yet, how could he figure out what they're saying?
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Who's the chick on the right? Yotanwa?
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>>102194186
Mouten's leadership is that high?
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>>102194816
Well he is one of a kind in Kingdom.
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>>102194524
its [spoilers] the Assassin sent after Sei [/spoilers]
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>>102194524
Hasn't appeared as of this chapter but is one of those participating in the siege of Sai.

can't really say this is a spoiler since he's on the cover.
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>>102195459
Qin or coalition.
And... you mean... he?
You mean that persons pees standing?
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>>102195622
He's titless isn't he.

He's Zhao. Not going to spoil more, he's a pretty minor character. Only appears in this arc so far.
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>>102195622
coalition, he's sorta comic relief
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>>102195787
>He's titless isn't he.
So is Kyoukai. And Mouten. Doesn't mean they are guys.
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So is Shin currently the highest ranking commander there?
Will he lead the 35thousand people?
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>>102196432
Wasn't Shoubunkun a higher Commander before becoming Chancellor?

But it most likely will be Shin, his training trip to conquer that one stateless region with shit fighters and all
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>>102196432
Shoubunkun is the highest ranking commander , and I guess Sei will be the "official" commander to maintain morale high.
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>>102196432
Sei's the highest rank there bro
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>>102196591
Highest Commander with actual Experience in leading people on the battlefield
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>>102196661
That would be Shoubunkun by a landslide. Shin ain't got shit on him.
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>>102196661
Shoubunkun was a general before he gave that up to join the civil service.

Heki is a 3000 man commander. So he's next highest. [He got that high by ABILITY man. ABILITY]
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>>102196661
It would be the chancellor but you'll see how they will split up the task with defending the fort in a few chapters or so. This arc is like 50ish chapters long i think, looking through the chinese scans all i can say is its amazing
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>>102196918
err not 50ish but it ends around 354 my bad
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>>102196918
Also a pretty good depiction of the being seiged side, since Qin's been the agressor most of this manga.
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>>102196792
I don't know, has Shoubunkun performed feats such as killing generals as skilled as Lun Hu?
Killing Mangoku and leading 10 000 people to reverse the tide of the battle was serious growth for Shin as well.
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>>102197442
Lun Hu has never been in a position that Shoubunkun is taking right now. Combat skills are not the requirement here, it's leadership and knowledge.

Shoubunkun rapes Shin in that regard.
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>>102196805
>heki
nah, i doubt that
shoubunkun surely has his own retainers?
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>>102197667
>>102197442
shouldn't shoubunkun be pretty strong? obviously not great general strong, but ouki even had a grudge against him in the beginning.
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>>102197981
Heki is his trusted aide, the only reason Heki is fighting in the first place is because Shoubunkun has to climb politics so he's leaving the military ladder to Heki.

Which shows you just how weak the King's faction was when they started. Heki was a joke.
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>>102198069
He's been retired for many years, and unlike Ouki didn't keep in shape through training. He was busy learning court politics.
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>>102198190
but shin will still be leading some more troops than the 2000 he came with, right?

I mean Ouhon and Mouten both got upgraded to 5000-Commanders, so he should too
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>>102197442

Ouki said Shoubunkun was the original Shin. He lead a special unit and Ouki respected him enough to indirectly protect him in the civil war.

He's not incompetent by any means.

Shin's just really good at charging his men at enemy generals and killing enemy generals. He doesn't have much experience leading men, particularly in a siege battle.

Heki. He's good at showing up at the right time and not getting murdered by stronger enemies I guess
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>>102193277
>You will never be a peasant listening to your king give a once and a life time speech
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>>102199215
Yes, but the main point is that Shin cannot be expected to be the Commander-in-Chief of Sai.

Shin's strength is in the front lines. How's he gonna use it if he's sitting in the officer room giving orders to everyone?
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>>102200908

Once and lifetime because you are about to get your ass murdered by the Zhao
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That was a great moment, when Seis little brother trashtalked Ryofui.
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I'd like to think Sei's act of diminishing himself as a background character helped in Riboku underestimating the young king's true worth, which ultimately is you know, what bites him in the ass.

In a sense, you could say Sei outplayed Riboku a hundred or so chapters ago.
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Oh dog this series makes me pumped with every fucking chapter
Chinese castles seem to have terrible positions and seem to be easy as fuck to assault but still
Fuck it, I'm going to fire up some desperate sieges in TW to get me pumped
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>>102205812
>Chinese castles seem to have terrible positions and seem to be easy as fuck to assault but still
now that you mention it..
they also have the same form, probably because the author is to lazy to think up scenery.
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>>102205812
You gotta understand this was ancient times, not medieval.
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>>102205968
Yeah but fuck even Athens or Rome were on fairly defensible sites. Gallic Alesia required the very best the Romans could muster. Numantia, another 'barbarian' settlement, also required a protracted siege. In the Third Punic War, Carthage was on its last legs yet ffered a good fight and Tyre kept Alexander busy for a whole year. Here the cities seem to be in the middle of a mountain valley, quite a bit away from rivers and with all sides vulnerable. It's not surprising dudes like Ousen could rack up a dozen cities in one campaign.
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>>102206151
We'll need armchair historians to explain it for us. I'm just gonna go with the Chinese having an obsession with squares.
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All this makes me want to do is have some crazy mount and blade crusader kings dynasty warriors empires amalgamation game.
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>>102206683
Its just simplified. The walls are also far higher and thicker then should be possible with their level of technology back then.
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>>102206740
>mount and blade

You are so right. Reading Shin go from peasant slave to Chinese Hitman is elating as fuck, just as raising your Swadian peasants to be knights was.
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>>102207189
But would you be able to resist abusing overpowered Kyou Kai and sending her to assassinate every enemy camp leader at night?
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>>102207470
But then you and your unit wouldn't gain fame on the battlefield and stuff.
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>>102206683


You have to do with what type of terrain you have (mountains, plains, rivers nearby..) you can't always have great defensive conditions.
Also when you build a city inhabited by dozens or hundreds of thousands of people you can,t put it in a location were it is hard to reach for supplies.

If you look at it Kanyou has not such a bad position.
- It is surrounded by mountains and only reachable by 2 heavily guarded ways.

- Built near a river, because of that the enemy has to take care of the nearby city (Sai) before attacking Kanyou and thus risking an attack from the forces coming from one of the 2 passes.

Obviously the fact that all the forces are blocked at Kankoku Pass allows defeats the advantage of a good location.

That being said I agree that many cities in China during that period were not that high.
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>>102207470

It's hard to resist abusing Kyoukai
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>>102206683
I don't even read Kingdom, I just happened to be passing through, but Warring States-era chinese castles were generally rectangular. I forget the inherent logic, but in that period it was apparently the easiest to defend. It's also important to remember that, unlike European and Japanese Castles (where the Castle is a small core, surrounded by the castle town where the bulk of the populace lived), Chinese "Castles" envelope the whole city (the chinese word for a "castle" is really the word for "City," and are thus cover a significantly larger area, making it significantly harder to defend. Smaller crenelations more commonly found in European castles would require large amounts of resources to build and a large populace to man and maintain.

As said before, I haven't read kingdom, but sieges even in the Spring and Autumn period were much longer than are likely depicted--the siege of one of qi by yan (before the events of Kingdom) took over five years without the city ever falling, though its stubborn resistance was more the exception than the rule.
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>>102207558
Fame about a legendary ghost is much more effective.
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>>102207558
>Bitches don't know bout MUH HANDICAP WARRIORS
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>>102207470
Yeah well don't come crying when Kyoukai is killed by a stray javelin to the eye
Unmodded Warband was annoying as fuck when a stray bolt hit you in the face and even though you had an army of veteran Terminators you still auto-lost to a rag-tag group of peasants
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>>102208371
fucking ravages of time. no threads ever
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>>102208535
Just like real life if you decided to lead from the front.

Then again, once you have enough money you could have a throwing axe embedded in your head and survive.
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>>102208629
It's a fun read but it takes a lot of time to digest
Still, like Kingdom it has memorable moments and charcters, such as:
>YOU SHALL NOT PASS dude
>eyeball-eater who solo'd a mining shaft
>'I will rape your ass in exactly three days'
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>>102208179
Thanks for the info and you really should give Kingdom a try. You will probably like it.
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How do you think Mougou made Moubu the strongest?
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>>102208535
Please nigguh, you assassinate in the cover of night in disguise while your forces create a distraction on the opposite end of camp.
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>>102208743
>not mentioning DEM GRAVE DIGGUHS
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>>102208743
>>>102208743
>'I will rape your ass in exactly three days'

Was it that guy, pic related?
I cant wait for him fucking up Ma Chao in 10 years from now
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>>102209118
Yeah, that's the power of his stand
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>>102208964
Well Moubu has 99 strength, so I'm guessing he did the Almost-Saitama routine.

>99 push ups
>99 sit ups
>99 chin ups
>9 km run
>99 ANGRY FACES

All day every day. After 3 years, Moubu noticed two changes.

1. He was strong.
2. He could no longer smile.
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>>102208964
Genes are spread alternating, so his are in Mouten.
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>>102209118
This fucker is truly terrifying when he makes an oath.
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>>102208964
He probably fully opened his eyes.
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>>102209178
One more of each of those and he would have lost his hair
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Why is every sunday Kingdom thread one hour of discussing the recent chapter, then the thread almost dying before someone bump it with talking shit about Riboku or how the horses are getting drawn, then it getting into Waifu territory, before derailing into a Ravages of Time thread.
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>>102204783
Oh shit, you're right.
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>>102209222
Sadly he is currently in the Red Cliff battle and will later be mostly paired against Zhuge Liang.

I just hope that Chan Mou makes ZL not that overpowered like in the original.
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>>102209235
Just as Keikaku according to Mougou. Can't have his son lose his manly hair, might affect his grand daughter.

Chalk up one more piece of evidence of Mougou being meta as fuck. It's obvious he's the MC of the prequel to Kingdom.
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>>102209224
>Renpa... when I always faced you, I have never opened my eyes. But this time, I will come at you with my full strength..with my eyes open!

Is it just me or does Duke Hyou look like Hulk Hogan?
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>>102209600
But he would get his ass handed to him perpetually by Renpa in such a work!
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>>102209584
ZL is already inferior to LYH, GY, ZF, and most likely MC.

The only Tiger General who he has a chance against is old man HZ, who is seriously overpowered for his age.

In Wei he's matched by ZH and PD.

Wu is the side that I'm absolutely confused about. They gained GN, but lost TSC. Aren't they the most fucked?
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>>102209728
That's because Renpa is the Rindaman / Guriko of the prequel. He even has the crazy look to him.
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so spoilerdudes, what's happening at kankoku pass during this siege?
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>>102209779
>ZL, LYH, GY, ZF, HZ, ZH, PD, GN, TSC.

Looks pretty complex.
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>>102209894
Nothing important really happens. They have reached a certain parity, if not to even say advantage with having killed 2 out of 3 Chu generals. Yet they themselves lost Chotou and Duke Hyou.
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>>102209988
>Zhang Liao
>Liao Yuan Huo
>Guan Yu
>Zhang Fei
>Huang Zhong
>Zhang He
>Pang De
>Gan Ning
>Tai Shi Ci

Not really. You mostly remember them by the fact that they are alive, and rape everyone else real hard.
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>>102210036
Oh, so they are stalling the qin army to support Riboku, and after the Sai fiasco they are going to withdraw, right?
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>>102210516
Riboku comes back ahsmed to Shunshikun but still says he can salvage the situation. Given it's Riboku with a Houken it still was possible to do something but Shunshikun has enough of his shit and sends the coalition army to take a few Qi castles instead.
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>>102210667
Thank you.
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>>102209779
No, I meant Zhuge Liang with that. He is described as godly in the RoTK; though it would be against how Ravages of Time is narrated and how everyone loses from time to time and finds a superior strategist.

And I mean not only later against Sima Yi.
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>>102210962
Read Chen Mou's Unhuman. That Zhuge Liang was an a smart opportunist, nowhere near as godly as his ROTK counterpart. I imagine it will be something similar now.
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>>102193547
I feel like a little bitch because it brought a few tears to my eyes.
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>>102210962
With the exception of RoTK, other accounts of that period depict Zhuge Liang as an amazing administrator and inventor, but a poor strategist and judge of character. Even the Mary Sue version of Zhuge Liang in the romance is a poor judge of character.
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>>102211555
I read most manga with a poker face but I teared up when this appeared
Or when Ouki died
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>>102210962
I think Zhuge will get owned by guys like Jia Xu in battles, but have enough back up plans to minimize the effects.

Zhuge is more like Sima Yi, Guo Jia, Zhao Yu and Yuan Fang, where he doesn't invest a shit load of critical resources in one gamble but tries to put his hands in everything.

In contrast, with guys like Jia Xu, Pang Tong, and Xun Yu, you got these three who don't do jack shit for god knows how long, but then go ALL IN MOTHER FUCKER and crush the opposition with massive prep work in the form of a domino chain.
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>>102211555
>>102193547

The thing that I enjoyed was that despite the entire chapter's dialogue being 100% predictable and cliche, it was executed well enough to produce such reactions.

I think that's a sign of quality. When you can take bread and butter and people won't even get bored of it.
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I can't hold all of this hype for the next group of chapters
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These threads are going to be so fun when there won't be any raws and it will be all fresh
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>>102212756
It just blended so well together. The villagers reactions before and after realizing their king is before them. Their reactions to the king stating hes going to fight side by side, risking his own life, like all of them.

It was just really good.

Also these last words were just so perfect. I reread this chapter like 5 times.

The last batch of chapters have been so great I can hardly express it in words.
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So, I basically don't know anything about RoTK, and I tried the first Ravages of Time volume
I didn't get almost anything. Is It just me?
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What will we do anons, when there are no raws left? ;_;
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>>102213638
Yeah the first chapters are wonky as fuck
\\then it stabilizes and even if you don't know anything about ROTK then you can still figure out who's who more or less and just watch the action and hell, you're better off due to no historical spoilers

>>102213654
It's a consistent weekly, unlike say, Historie, which had breaks and then went bi-MONTHLY (RIPIP)
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>>102213865
>then it stabilizes and even if you don't know anything about ROTK then you can still figure out who's who more or less and just watch the action and hell, you're better off due to no historical spoilers

Ok, thanks man.
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>>102211682
That was so amazing, because is was such a completely irrelevant joke character before and still caused these feels
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>>102214004
I know. He was so unimportant and just a background comic relief character and they still make you feel for me.
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>>102213638
When I started reading RoT I didnt knew about the background too.
I just looked up the battles afterwards and what happened in real life, so it made more sense.
Also, it will be less confusing, once you are getting familiar with the characters and the overall policial situation.
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>>102214004
RIDE THE THOUGHTS AND WISHES OF ALL YOUR COMRADES AND CLIMB YOUR WAY UP TO A GREAT GENERAL OF THE HEAVENS

Re-reading it gave me bigger feels than the first time since all the other people died too. Also in a way Shin's quest is to basically become a god of war and become in this way immortal
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>>102214201
And then he ends being remembered only as that failure that fucked up one of the Qin campaigns and swiftly forgotten.
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And here I am waiting on subs for the latest episode...
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>>102214669
Author is probably going to rewrite it so that he does what Outen did in real life.
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>>102214188
I'm like this guy except I played Dynasty Warriors 3 briefly at a friend's house. So I had a vague notion of who everyone was (Lu Bu campaign). It was quite the drastic change but I really enjoyed it.

Growing up on wuxia films might have also helped me 'accept' the style even if I've long since grown tired of wuxia in general.
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>>102214866
No way. He might get flexible like with the current alliance war, that was historical just a minor incursion, but he would not downright rewrite history.
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>>102215171
you know xin survived the war was made a duke and his descendants became the emperors of the tang dynasty right?
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>>102215171
He'll probably do the fuck up, but have him redeem himself after.
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>>102215944
Xin's lineage has a knack for being winners after all. Even Li Dian chose the winning Kingdom in 3 Kingdoms!
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>>102213865
>Read Historie the other day
>Fall in love with it, 10/10
>Get to the end
>Last chapter: 2013
>4 chapter came out last year
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>>102219979
Enjoy your wait m8



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