Who would win?
Medaka, obviously. Her power is to be broken as fuck.
>nisio isin powerlevels
Difference between Nanami and Medaka is Nanami goes for the kill, immediately, while Medaka won't do something first like twist someone's head off.
>Can learn a skill the first time she sees it, can master it by the second time she sees it
>Can 120% a skill the first time she experiences it
Gee, I wonder
So, would they learn eachothers' skill-copying skills?
>Nanami learns The END
and that's why >>102179001
This is gonna go nowhere, fast
The important thing here is that Nanami can opt to not learn a skill, while Medaka must learn any skill she sees.
Not if Medaka THE ENDs Nanami's skill copying ability so she can use either version at will.
Medaka destroyed the moon. I'd like to see Nanami do that.
What if Nanami doesn't use her copying skill and just goes for the kill with normal fast movements?
one died and one didn't, pretty sure the answer is obvious.
>she can use either version at will
That's not how it works. The End is passive, while Nanami's skill copying is not. Even if she got Nanami's skill-copying, it wouldn't replace The End. She'd still have to learn any skill she sees.
This is important, what skills are they coming in with?
>Medaka destroyed the moon. I'd like to see Nanami do that.
Think about what you said for a moment.
No. Stop and think about it.
Think about Nanami.
If given enough time, like Medaka, Nanami would have been able to do just that.
Seems completely in the scope of Nisio's (shit) writing.
But Sabi could cut the moon (and maybe the sun?) and is considered weak in the grand scheme of things
But Medaka conquers a different galaxy or something, right?
Medaka because of all that protagonist plot armor
What can she do?
You all see to forget Nanami would probably tire before she could pull off a lot of what Medaka could.
what if Nanami copies Devil Style?
Yeah if it was a drawn out battle her body couldn't handle it
I don't think any close combat martial arts in Medaka Box was as hax as Kyotouryuu.
Nanami has her wind blades as well which Shichika couldn't master.
But didnt she fight Sabi's mom for like half a year?
Then mutual defeat seems likely.
Nanami's stamina is actually pretty godly.
She went without food and sleep for a month in order to nerf herself before her final fight with Shichika.
She also on purpose electrified herself to damage her body nerves as much as possible.
I wondered if Shinobu could enter the fray...but she doesn't pay any fucking attention
>Nanami learns imperfect THE END
>Medaka copies imperfect THE END
>Nanami learns even more imperfect THE END
>Medaka copies even more imperfect THE END
>Nanami learns EVEN MORE imperfect THE END
>Medaka copies EVEN MORE imperfect THE END
Hold the phone, are we talking Bita sustained Nanami? Or regular potential?
Shinobu doesn't compare. Kiss Shot may have the best base stats but Nanami and Medaka would be able to reach her level in less than a minute.
>Nanami and Medaka copy Shinobu-lineage instant regen
This could actually go in Nanami's favor, but there so much powerlevel bullshit to go along with it.
>METAPOD, USE HARDEN.gif
Bita did not sustain Nanami at all.
It's like you missed the entire point of episode 11 where you find out the Devaint Blades are not actually deviant at all just high tech weapons from the future and that all the rumors about the blades were merely rumors.
Bita was not a blade that grants you immortality or healing abilities.
It was actually an electric generator.
Medaka would probably win. It doesn't hurt that Nanami is super evil, so she's have an incentive to go all out. She doesn't even really need to use the Final Kurokami Flash with the vibration Style, she could just erase her existence with All Fiction, though she'd probably try to fight her straight up. The only reason Iihiko was able to force her into a corner was because of his immunity to Skills and his Style (and they say that's basically what it was) to cause irreparable damage.
I didn't read the novels. That level of stuff would have to be gleaned through specula goggles.
>Shichika said she couldn't normally pull off a crazy 272 killing blow move
>She reveals Bita and Togame surmises its energizing her
>Shichika kills that retainer with the same move and its like Bita overloads from overuse
I get was "she was weaker because she used a sword", that makes fine sense if that's what you mean.
Nisio literally gave Medaka the Skill of plot armor. And I do mean literally. Nanami has no chance unless she learns how to become The Protagonist, or properly executes cliches to out-meta Medaka
This is getting too meta.
All Fiction isn't as easily used as you seem to think it is.
If this was done, there'd be some half-assed reason why it doesn't work, and it'd never come up again, anyway.
That's not what meta means.
>Shichika said she couldn't normally pull off a crazy 272 killing blow move
Nanami hid the fact she was spying on Shichika practicing Kyotouryuu from him which is why she never used Kyotouryuu on Shichika on the island and why she knows about Shichika's ultimate cheesy move even if he didn't tell her and despite all this, she still beat his ass on the island the multiples they fought each other which is why Shichika said Nanami was obviously stronger than Sabi.
Didn't mean to quote
Does Nanami even have anything that could be used to beat "Encounter"?
I meant that he meant she shouldn't have the stamina for such a move, but then what was she sparing with on the island? Her lack of stance accompanied by generic punches or throws?
Depends, does Nanami have prep time?
Nanami said it herself, didn't she?
That "Zero Nameless Style" or whatever.
But she later uses Kyoutoryuu attacks after the enemy is drawn in for underestimating Zero Stance
Nanami isn't evil though?
O-Okay, nevermind, s-sorry I asked...
But Nanami can't learn THE END
It's not a skill that can be USED
The real question is, who would win in a battle for my dick?
The answer is Medaka.
Just think of how fresh it'd be if Iihiko won.
Brings a tear to the eye knowing what Nisio ended up writing.
Medaka is the MC so she automatically wins, I guess.
Nanami is far more hax than Medaka. She'd take it. The only issue is her body, but if she can absorb and copy Medaka's strength and abilities, be it passive, technique, or skill, then she should be able to overcome Medaka.
Much as I love Humanity's Strongest, she's outclassed here.
>>Can learn a skill the first time she sees it, can master it by the second time she sees it
But the whole point was that she only copied skills from others since they were weaker, her real strength was too much for her body to handle so she lowered her level by using inferior skills taken from weaker people.
>Nanami is far more hax than Medaka
It's like you never even read the series. Did you just conveniently choose to ignore the fact that Medaka cannot lose due to "main character plot armor". There was entire fucking arc based on this shit where a reality manipulating cosmic abomination flat-out said Medaka cannot lose because she is the main character and will always win in the end. Nanami has no such meta ability to counter Medaka's.
She does if the author is changed.
Let me know when the author for Medaka Box changes, and then we can talk. Until then, Medaka wins.
Who says Nanami can't be the main character for this fight? Just use the Nanami from the audio drama where she's the main character. You know, the Nanami at her prime before her body prevented her from going full-power, the same Nanami that fought Sabi's mom for half a year and won in the end.
There were several main characters in Katanagatari and in the final ED, Nanami gets her own private part in the ED credits just like Shichika.
Then its going to be a fight between who's the "more" main character-ish.
Nanami can not only copy techniques/skills, but she can also absorb native/passive abilities and add it to her own by using her god's eyes.
Nanami is probably Nisio's second strongest character he's written. Ajimu would be his strongest.
The problem is that Nanami is just a ridiculously strong "monster-type" character while Medaka falls under the category of being a "meta" character. To give a comparision, Medaka is far more similar to other fourth-wall breaking characters such as Squirrel Girl and Anti-spray Batman.
I'm looking at the Katanagatari OST collection on nyaa, which CD is that particular audio drama on?
Should be this one, I think.
She was killed by a rubber band. Thankfully he didn't bring that femdomming bitch back from the grave.
I'm almost offended that this thread isn't filled with Medaka's ridiculously lewd body
Okay anon. And just for you I won't even spoiler it.
Hmm yes but do you know the track number or which CD it's on? Looks like there are 12 CDs
A FRESH rubber band. Ajimu is more hax than FRESH with all her skills. Only reason FRESH won was because of bad affinity.
>Not fapping madly to a Goddess like Ajimu who's best girl
Those skills are useless in the face of freshness.
>femdomming overpowered bitch
I'm sorry, but no. Maybe if tapping into the power of a faceless male was similar to being Iihiko and I could rape her.
Nigga, what do you have against a girl that teases, does banters of all kind, from S to sexual arousing jabs, and likes to be kinky with some mild dom? Ajimu isn't even a bitch either. The hell is your problem?
>he doesn't want to be step on by Anshin'in-san
You keep using the word femmdoming like it's a bad thing. What do you have against glorious femdom?
She was a smug self-righteous cunt who got her karmic comeuppance.
If I wanted to be stepped on by women, I'd go to any 3DPD bitch I found on the street.
That's an awesome trait in an awesome and cure girl.
But that's wrong.
>Comparing 3DPD to perfect 2D
Wow, you are a huge faggot. I bet you wouldn't even let a girl like Evangeline have some harmless fun with you. I swear, you must be some tough wannabe alphafag who just has to be in control and wants to take no shit at all from girls. You're like that jackass who wouldn't give in to even a cute girl who's simply being adorably bratty.
I wouldn't. How pathetic can you even be that you don't let yourself be cool even in fantasies?
Can't think yourself a cool guy if you wouldn't want to fuck girls like Ajimu and play with her in her teasing and amusing her playful dominating kinky personality when sexing it up. A cool guy also would know when to be a gentlemen or be the guy who allows girls to win to see their smiles or to be happy.
I'm sorry, but letting women be bitches is not what a cool guy does.
But anon, in my fantasies I AM cool, it's just after being cool Anshin'in-san rewards me by dominating me. That's my fetish and it makes me feel good, why wouldn't I fantasize about it?
>letting Evangeline have her way with me
Sorry Anon, but I must remain loyal to my glorious godlike waifu.
How is anything I said remotely close to girls being bitches? You're imagining things.
You're the one in favor of femdom, not I.
Who's your waifu, anon?
>Thinks femdom equals being a bitch
Is this nigga serious? Christ.
S is for shit-tier edgy short men.
>Who's your waifu, anon?
Take a wild guess.
>Not liking both S and M
Non-master race plebs.
Nanami learned the inherent physical muscle strength of the Itezora tribe. I think she can learn passives.
Your taste a great.
So if she never had those eyes she would literally be undefeatable since she could never weaken herself in that way?
Medaka does not need to experience it, just hearing about it from a third person not even the wielder of the skill is enough for the End to work.
I think her eyes are the reason why she's a monster.
Where is everyone getting that Nanami's skill copying isn't passive? Nanami even complains about never having to use any effort ever, because she automatically learns stuff. She laments that it must feel nice having to try hard to get stuff done.
No, the point was that even her grandfather or whateve had the eyes. He wasn't a monster, just a dude.
Everything we know about her copying moves is that she goes out of her way to make herself weaker by learning stuff with them. We also know that she was basically impossible to kill and a monster before she had really learned all that much (since she killed the previous Deviant Blade). So her eyes aren't really what the problem is, it's her innate ability.
Nanami kills herself, Nanami's body refuses to die.
Medaka kills herself, Medaka dies properly.
-learns an ability the first time she sees it, and masters it after seeing it a second time.
-frail body and wants to die
-learns an ability and doesn't just master it but also improves it to 120% just after seeing it once.
-can also learn abilities just from hearing about it from other people
-can go super saiyan god mode
-main character hax
She copies and absorbs. If she sees a person who lifts a heavy box, then she'll also be able to do that since the strength needed to do that gets added to her own and also whatever technique/method said person used to lift, she'll be able to do that.
Power levels in Medaka Box work in a rock paper scissors fashion.
FRESH beat Anshin'in
Anshin'in beat Medaka
Medaka beat Zenkichi
and Zenkichi beat FRESH.
You could simply insert Nanami into the cycle, except that near then end of Medaka Box, Medaka breaks the chain by being 'MC' and winning all her fights.
The real question is, how badly would Nanami lose to style users ?
Zenkichi never beat Fresh exactly. Zenkichi gave Shiranui a chance to regain control of her body for a split second and resulted in Fresh punching himself. In the end, Fresh was killed by his own power.
Has riroland's new oneshot been translated yet?
>Can fight against Sabi's mom for half a year
>Sabi's mom is stronger than motherfucking Mutsue
A frail body of a true monster.
The basic concept of nanami,
>you missed your first strike or didn't kill her
1. she can copy a skill after seeing it once.
, she already learn your skill at your level.
>you try to take the second strike missed or didn't kill her
2. seeing it twice, she can master a skill as in perfecting the skill beyond the person that shows her their skill. she's already beyond your level at your own game.
>so you have chance to win if you OHKO her?
3. too bad she's unkillable.
>she's a copycat that lack of originalty, possible weakness?
4. all of those copy skill and the entire library of learned skill is actually weakens her as in polluting her already perfect original fighting skill.
she's written to be broken, hence the entire arc of nanami is nanami doing her best to get weaker so she can be killed.
I think there are some moves that do make her move hax though. For instance once she gets Ashigaru anything with any amount of pressure can't affect her because she'll just float away from it, so even attacks that could vaporise her wouldn't work, only kill-without-action/force type attacks .
>too bad she's unkillable
Does that work against All Fiction ? also can she prevent herself from being affected by bookmaker ?
yes, she literary has to find a way to circumvent this condition hence the use of cursed dagger. even with that nanami still has to consciously keeping that aspect down so she can be killed by her brother
Medaka combines 1 and 2 right off the bat from seeing it or hearing it once.
>3. too bad she's unkillable
Must be nice since Medaka has All-fiction at her disposal.
4. Good. Medaka can copy that "perfect original fighting style" and improve upon it.
No one is denying that Nanami is broken, we're just saying Medaka is better.
>Hidden technique: Migeika (見通し研修) - Nanami Yasuri was born with the eye of gods, with this ability, she is able to see through any technique, any movement, any weaknesses, thus mastering any ability with observation.
i'm not saying nanami is better, considering it's written by the same author. nanami is medaka, so to speak.
i just elaborate her fighting skill.
Does medaka do 120% of theoretical human maximum or does she do 120% of the opponents skill level? Cause Nanami perfects the skill on second try, regardless of how good the opponent is at using it.
120% of the original user. Technically it's described as 120% of the universal maximum i.e. whatever the theoretical limit of the skill is at 100%, Medaka's is 120% of that.
I'm curious to find out if Nanami would lose to Contradictory Conjunction Users, given how meta their abilities are.
I don't see the need why you have to elaborate on her fighting style since we already know all this stuff to begin with. And I had the same thoughts on Medaka being Nanami, except Medaka does the copying thing better, along with actually having a body that evolves further and further the more it's pushed similar to a saiyan. Also the meta aspect of Medaka's character goes a long way in giving her the victory.
>given how meta their abilities are
Does the ability have a method? If so, she knows it, knows how to avoid it, and knows how to use it (probably better than the original).
Who booked this shit?
You haven't read Medaka Box have you? Go read it now if you consider yourself a Nisio fan.
In-Universe, styles can't be copied by Medaka since they work differently to any other skill. Contradictory Conjunction User in particular is like a reality warping passive that makes your actions the paradoxically lowest possible outcome of a situation e.g. Nanami can't be killed / can't be hit by my sword, therefore she can.
>Medaka, OP because of canon 'plot armour' that only stronger plot armour can beat.
You can't really compare them because of how meta Medaka is.
just happen i still remember the entire set.
in progression aspect, nanami is actually written in the other way around. powerwise medaka progress as the story goes, nanami regress as the story goes.
well the character is built for different kind of story
I've read it all. There may have been a post-epilogue I missed (I did see the x-years later epilogue), but that's it.
Medaka's copying is different from Nanami's: Medaka learns quickly, Nanami understands instantly. There's nothing for Nanami to work out, no tricks of execution to see through, she just knows the technique by seeing it. Conjunction could be countered by making the paradox a paradox itself, as when "can't be hurt" becomes "can be hurt", "can" is now the most likely outcome. There's some quibbling in which effect would take place first, but it can be assumed that mentally preparing for the paradox would give Nanami enough insight to foresee and parry the technique.
by the time you use the reality warper, she already mastered it and reverse the condition... it's chiken-egg thing.
tough story wise, if someone is able to circumvent her unkillable aspect she'll happiliy welcome it as death is her goal
Reminder that one's dead and the other's depowered.
I think a better question would be, All Fiction versus King Crimson
>who can ignore reality more:The Fight
fuck that would be entertaining as fuck to watch
Kumagawa would likely be sharp and twisted enough to see the effects of King Crimson, and launch a wild counter-attack. However, the attacks would miss due to poor luck, and Diavolo would fall back unharmed while Kumagawa laments his loss.
You do realise you character is probably the weakest out of everyone mentioned here right ?
She sorta turned 99% of world population into ghouls.
I dont really know how strong is that compared to the rest of the heroes in this thread. Sorry.
I thought King Crimson's power isn't automatic, takes a toll on the user's body and can only cut out pieces of time
It's not automatic, but he can see a few seconds in the future so he knows when to activate it.
>takes a toll on the user's body
I don't remember that.
>can only cut out pieces of time
It also nullifies whatever would have happened in this piece of time.
This thread is making me want to vomit. I'll bail out.
Medaka since she's broken as fuck.
Did Medaka ever fill up the student council room with flowers?