I finally watched Rebellion today, because I wanted to watch it in a proper cinema.
I avoided Madoka threads as much as possible, since there were Madoka screenings in other places of the world before they showed it in Mexico. Whatever, the only contact I had with the Madoka threads was a macro that had a caption saying that "Local Girl Saves/Ruins Everything", and the occasional "Akemi Homura did nothing wrong".
>Local Girl Saves Everything
>Akemi Homura did nothing wrong
Are you retarded? Are you fucking nuts? God fucking damn it! That bitch ruined everything Madoka died for! I mean, Homura says that she loves Madoka beyond everything else in the world, but by fulfilling her pathological love desires, she fucked up everything Madoka loved, thus hurting Madoka, even if both of them cannot realise it by now due to the circumstances which surround them.
And OK, I thought I hated QB for being the cold calculating little cunt he is, inflicting terrible pain to the souls of the magical girls, but come on, fucking the little shit up in that gruesome way? QB is by now a shadow of his former self, suffering from catatonic schizophrenia due to all the emotional distress he never imagined he could suffer.
It could be worse, at least Kyouko and Sayaka are still alive to love each other, as well as Bebe and Mami to protect each other.
I hope Homura dies in next movie, OVA, or whatever. She fucking destroyed Madoka's new world, even if it wasn't perfect.
>still spoiling Madoka Rebellion
I believe there are people who are waiting for the BD release. Fuck you Homura apologists.
Say whatever you want. Madoka wanted to save everyone from a cruel fate, yet she failed to save the person that loved her the most in the world.
I've been saying she's an evil, remorseless monster worthy of eternal damnation and Madoka's everlasting hatred for a while, but people keep coming to defend her. Homura is garbage.
Eh, I think she was wrong, but she had good intentions. I can't stay mad at that face.
Only for herself. She doesn't care about Madoka's life or the world or anything, only that she has Madoka firmly in her clutches and everything in motion to keep this scenario up as long as possible. She knows she's wrong and she's destroyed everything behind her little world, but she doesn't give two shits because she has Madoka tightly under watch. She'll burn in hell for sure, she's even worse than Oriko.
How the fuck can you have this piss-poor viewing comprehension?
Kyubei was about to fuck everything up, so Homura fucked him over and brought back Madoka without fucking Madoka's wish up.
Are you happy now?
Nah, I think she really does believe that what she's doing is for the sake of Madoka's happiness. She just has a different perception of happiness than Madoka does.
i just realized that everyone in this series is right in their own way, but they always end up fucking it up.
Also, Homu is still best girl and did everything right.
Homura wanted to die to save Madoka. She knew what would happen to Madoka if she was set free from the Soul Gem. The ones who wanted to fuck up QB were the rest of the Magical Girls.
This guy got it right.
>That bitch ruined everything Madoka died for!
What the fuck? Kyubei was trying to ruin everything Madoka died for, so Homura fucked him over so that Madoka wouldn't be in vain! And Madoka didn't die you retard. Everything Madoka wished for is still very much in place.
>She fucking destroyed Madoka's new world
She fucking PROTECTED it you retard! Kyubei outright stated "We're going to observe Madoka's existence so we can learn how to control her and make witches real again, thus fucking everything up that she wished for." Homura dragging down Madoka and rewriting the universe HAD to be done to stop Kyubei from destroying Madoka's new world by recreating witches.
Yes, and that's why when they freed Homura, she had to fuck up the plan to stop Kyubei from fucking *everything* up.
How do people still not get this? It was clear as day from the minute the movie ended.
What a sick character. Hopefully she will suffer a fate worse than an eternity in hell.
Oriko was (is?) such a cutie.
>after months of bullying, Homura decides she's had enough of being a devil and frees Godoka
>Godoka asks why, Homura states she couldn't stand being hurt by the people she cared about any longer
>Godoka then grabs Homura and traps her in a barrier
>Homura is then forced to live in a spiritual jail cell where Godoka and the others can come and torment her for all eternity
>"Stupid bitch, did you think we could forgive you for what you did? You were right, you were better off dead."
>Homura is driven insane by the constant bullying and begs for death, but death never comes
>the worst pain of all are Godoka's own words, "I hate you, Homura-chan."
>Yes, and that's why when they freed Homura, she had to fuck up the plan to stop Kyubei from fucking *everything* up.
Uh, no, the whole point of Madoka and Sayaka and Nagisa's plan was that it freed Homura without giving the Incubators an opportunity to get their paws on Madoka.
QB did nothing wrong faggot.
>implying the Magical Girls weren't aware of QB's plot
>implying he wasn't set to fail by them
QB thought he was in control of everything, but he wasn't. That little shit suffered the most, though.
The incubators' plan was to *observe* the Law of the Cycle freeing Homura. Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa had absolutely no idea of their intentions. They did no such thing to prevent them from being observed. Even then, Kyubei was informed earlier that Madoka *was* the Law of the Cycle, guaranteeing Fuck for everyone if something radical didn't happen.
Homura did nothing wrong.
Oriko did nothing wrong.
>Madoka, Sayaka, and Nagisa had absolutely no idea of their intentions.
Then why did they pull the whole song and dance to keep QB distracted by Madoka while Sayaka and Nagisa were able to operate in secrecy? They were fully aware of QB's plans. The point is that they broke Homura out of the isolation field without having to use Madokami's power, so that she can take Homura away normally like she does to every other magical girl.
They did things wrong but with good intentions.
Even if that's the case, Homura ended fucking everything up when she said, "Fuck you Madoka, even if you are coming for me so we can be together again. You will only be mine, even if I fuck everything you wished for in the process".
Let's see the horrors of what Homura has done
>subdued an alien menace
>saved Madoka from being a forgotten concept
>gave Madoka back her humanity
>brought Sayaka back to life
>gave Mami a loli to play with
OH GOD THE HORRORS, S-SHE MADE KYOUKO WASTE AN APPLE OH LOOOOORDY AND SHE WAS MEAN TO SAYAKA OH MY GOOOOD SOMEONE ARREST THAT GIIIIIIRL
Please, I hope that you are actually Gen Urobuchi.
>even if I fuck everything you wished for in the process
You keep saying that but Madoka's wish is still 100% in place.
This is mostly fucking wrong. Madoka and Sayaka and Nagisa knew about QB's plans.
Indeed. They even say, "we have been waiting for the moment to give Madoka back her memories. Fuck you QB, you were so obsessed watching Madoka you understimated us." This happens after QB talks to them or the first time.
>to keep QB distracted by Madoka while Sayaka and Nagisa were able to operate in secrecy?
Because Madoka's memory was rewritten, and someone had to know what they were supposed to do there.
And if their job was to free Homura without being observed, they failed because Kyubei did in fact learn of the Cycle's existence and how it is Madoka, so even if they were fully aware of Kyubei's intentions they're still guaranteed to be fucked over because they didn't fucking succeed in that.
That's wrong. She wished that all the pain that the magical girls had to endure disappeared. Suddenly, Sayaka has her heart broken again by Kyousuke, just to give an example.
Another satisfied customer.
You keep saying that but aren't correct.
Even if you were right, they failed terribly.
If they knew Kyubei's plans, they wouldn't have fucking told Kyubei about them operating, since his whole plan was to observe them. The idea of a stealth mission is to not tell the enemy that the person he's observing is a decoy. If what you're saying is true than Sayaka and Nagisa are fucking idiots.
>Sayaka and Nagisa are fucking idiots.
Didn't Homura already die? All the other girls did, at least once.
Did you somehow miss Homu's last conversation with Sayaka? She said that she only took down a small part of the law of the cycles.
QB's plan was to control Madoka. He failed miserably.
>Season 2 ends when Madoka decides to ignore Homura completely. Madoka walks away from Homura and states that she simply won't acknowledge her anymore. Homura fades to nothing.
Back to episode 1 of Season 1
Everything is the same
No transfer student.
Did you not even watch the movie? He explicitly said that his goal was to observe the freeing of Homura.
One man's trash, another man's treasure.
>Sayaka and Nagisa are fucking idiots.
ITT: Delicious tears
You'll find that many of the truths we cling to are dependent upon a certain point of view.
Seeing angry Homura haters crying fills my heart with the utmost glee.
And you honestly think he would stop at observing? Like
>Oh, that's cool, now back to inefficiently harvest energy.
>Because Madoka's memory was rewritten, and someone had to know what they were supposed to do there.
Exactly. They planned the hold onto Madoka's memories and carry out their plan on their own.
>And if their job was to free Homura without being observed, they failed because Kyubei did in fact learn of the Cycle's existence and how it is Madoka
Their job was to free Homura without QB witnessing Madokami using her powers within the isolation field. They succeeded at that. Listen to the scene right before the big battle with Homulily.
>QB: Madoka! You can save Homura! If you just recognize your own powers...
>Sayaka: Just let him be, Madoka. It'll be fine. Just do exactly as I told you just now.
QB is trying to goad Madoka into using her god powers, because that is how they will be able to observe and control her. Sayaka is wise to his tricks, so she tells him to fuck off, and has Madoka go along with their plan to free Homura using only their own power. They clearly know about the Incubators' plans and they clearly have a method of dealing with it, I don't see how you can think that it was all according to the Incubators' plans.
You know, besides the part where witches still don't exist outside of the Law of Cycles, but sure, I guess the rest of Madoka's--oh wait, that was her entire wish.
People can hate all they want but she saved everyone.
Fucked over Kyubei, revived everyone, and protects the system that saves girls from becoming witches. She created the best of all possible worlds, so suck on that one Voltaire.
Seeing Homura suffer gives me the greatest pleasure I have ever felt. Just thinking about how Madoka can torture her for all eternity brings a smile to my face. Imagine Homura realizing the girl she gave everything for hated her guts, and wanted vengeance against her for her actions in Rebellion. Imagine the other girls joining in the fun and releasing all the pent up hatred they had for that rotten bitch. Even Kyubey, who normally wouldn't care about bullying, would endorse it, since he could collect vast amounts of grief from Homura's crushed soul. And, after Homura has given up the will to live, she can be teased by showing her happy dreams of everyone getting along, only to be woken up by the harsh reality that she's a failure hated by all. This sight is the most beautiful thing in the world.
Thus corrupting Madoka's wishes irremediably. Homura did not save anything but her twisted interpretation of love. It doesn't matter if she fucked up a little or a fuckton, she ruined the Law of Cycles AKA Madoka.
>look mommy i posted it again
>Thus corrupting Madoka's wishes irremediably
This is not true.
i bet you shoved kids in lockers in high school, jerkops
All praise and glory and worship be unto Homu, saviour of madoka and redeemer to us all.
Did you watch the camrip or a live screening?
Homu a shit.
Hail Homu, the true lord and savior.
I watched a live screening and then watched the camrip several times afterwards. Those lines are direct quotes, unless you don't trust [Homusubs].
Nagisa is just a little kid, Sayaka though, she just a fucking idiot.
Her wish was to end the suffering from the life of the Magical Girls, that is, them becoming witches. But since Sayaka goes back to experience the suffering that transformed her to a witch, Madoka's wish is corrupted, even if it's a little exception.
>Thus corrupting Madoka's wishes irremediably.
No, just no. Her wish was for witches to never exist, and the consequence of that wish that she never existed, making her the one responsible to carry on with taking the magical girls with her before it happened.
Homura said that the law of the cycles is intact in itself, the only thing she did was make Madoka real again.
Hopefully, this bitch is gonna die in the next movie.
You may have a strong point then, but it still stands that Homura, as fucked up as she is now, recreated everything for the best.
Stop posting this shitty gif
Please just happen.
And there's nobody in charge to save magical girls anymore. They don't get saved anymore, they just disappear. This is awful beyond words, and is the worst thing Homura could have done. And on top of that, she betrayed Madoka's wishes to purposely destroy that salvation.
Sayaka is half magical girl half witch, so your argument is invalid.
Madoka won't be happy when she gets her memories back and finds out what happens. Homura has taken all the suffering on herself, unnecessarily. All Madoka wanted was for her friends to join her in yuri valhalla.
Everything you just said is entirely wrong.
This is like saying when a person leaves the country, their house vanishes into the aether.
Shitty fanfic pls go.
Remember when people thought this was real?
Haha, keep crying faggot. Homura wins. Get over it. While you put your hopes in the dubious future, begging and pleading to see Homura's downfall (which won't happen), I'll take solace in the present. You know, shit that's real and that has actually happend. Homura won. Accept it and move on, bitch.
I'd rather have seen that than The Pandering Story.
The series should continue, and end with all the megukas overloading their soul gems with a different emotion and becoming unique godlike beings as well, holding each other in an eternal balance.
>completely changes what fans were comfortable with
>They don't get saved anymore
Dude, just go rewatch the last 15 minutes. At this point I don't even think you saw it all.
Rebellion was great you faggot.
Indeed. But then Homura goes full greedy and says, "Fuck you Madoka, I don't want to live with you in Yuri Valhalla even if we are going to be together, we are going to live in a way you are only mine, ONLY MINE BITCH".
This movie could also be named Obsession.
>not realising Rebellion means rebelling against Godoka
A house or a country isn't the Law of Cycles, you dingus.
Madoka will do the right thing and realize Homura is a lost cause that must be destroyed. She's not the frail and well-meaning girl Madoka thought she was, she's a demon whose existence will bring disaster to the universe. She can't and doesn't deserve any part of the cycle she destroyed.
Sayaka knows more about it than Homura, and she says it's all fucked.
Homura specifically rewrote the universe so that the Law of Cycles still existed and saved magical girls just like it always has.
Do you not understand things that are clearly spelled out to you?
All Homura did was take the Mado out of the Kami, however the Kami still exists.
No it wasn't you shitlord.
>Do you not understand things that are clearly spelled out to you?
He doesn't want to understand them. He just wants to make up reasons to hate Homura.
Nah. It should end in Homura suffering a fate worse than death by fire. It will end in Homura being in total opposition to Madoka, though.
The series isn't over yet, faggot.
Enjoy while you can but the one who laugh last...
Homu kept QB around for a reason, and it's not because she thinks he's cute.
The cycle is still in effect, demons still exist, and QB is still regulating energy (albeit now under the regulations of Homu). Madoka the human was separated from Madoka the concept.
>tfw QB got so fucking told that he has to recruit magical shotas to combat homura
Yes, it was , you cumguzzler.
They said from the beginning that this is a trilogy.
That would be completely predictable and stupid, and Madoka is about ending things differently.
>saved magical girls
From what? A beautiful afterlife in Yuri Valhalla? Homura saved nothing but her greedy love for Madoka.
>grasping at straws.
First off, Sayaka staying around after the rewrite was probably not fully intentional on Homu's behalf, however, despite that -
Homura kept Sayaka's wish intact, seeing as kyousiko still genki and shit, only this time the blue haired bitch gets to NOT DIE BECAUSE OF TEEN ANGST. OH FUCKING NO, SHE HAS TO GET OVER A TWEEN CRUSH, BOO FUCKING HOO, WITHCHES ARE NOT HAPPENING BUT MADOKS WISH IS ETERNALLY CORUPTED OMG :> :>:>
"The series is totally over, It's done and no more will be written"
-Gen Urobuchi, writer of Madoka who writes the story and decides how and when it ends
>implying the MONEY! of get more MONEY! wouldn't change the MONEY! of the producers.
>From what? A beautiful afterlife in Yuri Valhalla?
No, she specifically designated that the Yuri Valhalla still existed even though Madoka wasn't there. She even says on fucking screen "I made it specifically so that the Law of Cycles still exists and magical girls are still saved from being witches and brought to Valhalla."
I'm convinced you haven't actually watched the movie.
No, she saved Madoka. In her eyes anyway. Homura wanted to create world where Madoka can be happy, and she also wanted to protect her. She didn't rip Madoka out of LoC so she could flirt with her or some shit. Fuck.
WOuld you a Mami?
>This guy gets it.
I have long stopped replying to them.
It's also funny to see all the ill-wishing, Homura is probably Shaft's most popular meguca, it's like wishing Saber would get beaten, raped and die a horrible death.
You've been spamming that link for two days now. How have you not been banned for advertising and spamming yet?
Homura a shit. I can't still believe the actual quartet (quintet if you add Bebe) shared cake with her.
Before I go to bed, I just wanted to say that my waifu is perfect and she's only for me. Kyoko and other fags need not apply.
>believing the devil
Edgy kids will always wish things like that upon good girls. Luckily, they have zero impact on the direction the series will take.
Now, I am not saying 3DPD or some shit like that, but don't you even dare to compare those drills.
Faggot. Kyouko and Sayaka are supposed to always be together.
I'm a pure-blooded Homufriend but even I can admit that Sayaka was really likable and fun in Rebellion.
Edgy kids will always like the dark characters that become the devil.
>it's like wishing Saber would get beaten, raped and die a horrible death
Are you implying that doesn't happen?
Go to bed, Juan.
Regardless my opinion towards Homura and her doings, if the series is over then I am done.
Edgy kids will always like the dark character who kills and breaks rules just to screw things over and ruin everything, and that's what Homu- wait a second.
Ha ha! Yeah I have no clue what that anon was trying to say. Being Arturia is suffering.
Saber never betrayed Shirou, brainwashed him, and kept him in a cellar while wiping the memories of the other servants while sending them all to school together.
Ufotable's Fate anime is an original route, prepare to eat your words.
Thus demonstrating that Homura a shit and that she deserves the hate she receives. I hope she suffers next movie.
How much money do I have to throw at Type-Moon to make this happen?
New Saber Alter route? Might be cool.
I really hate people who can't manage proper viewing comprehension and rational analysis without getting too emotional. It leads to stupidity and I'm really tired of people not getting rebellion.
You're stupid, nowhere is that implied. All we know:
- Homu takes madokas human memories and with slight alterations, as seen in the epilogue, recreates madoka.
- When Homu hijacks godoka, she says something about being torn in half. When the world cracks, you can clearly see two halfs of madoka, one ordinary, one the godoka version.
Knowing these two pieces of information you pull out of your ass that meguca now just disappear instead of going to lesbian valhalla (which is also a rather wild speculation on the part of what actually happens to the meguca taken by meduka) like they did before.
Here's what I would postulate instead. When meduka became goduka she said she wanted to erase all witches past present future, thus making her omnipresent. The moment she became godoka, the law of cycles was set into effect in all temporal states instantaneously - godoka isn't confined by one temporal state, she's everywhere every time...
So, if we fast forward to end of rebellion and go back into homu's temporal continuum - all homu did was reconstruct madoka out of her human memories. godoka still exists, past present and future serving the original purpose of madoka's wish, thus mere temporal manipulation with some fucking memories wouldn't overthrow an omnipresent being's actions (witches still dont exist, everything still looks the same as before, sans madoka herself being present). From this, you could easily assume the yuri heaven (if it ever existed) is still in place and the godoka half, the wish half that's engrained in the source code of the universe is still present and saving little girls before they go full witch, it probably just forgot it's human origins. (assuming, since the human side is made to forgot their divine powers)
Right, she only cut his head off in exchange for the grail
The same money Homurafags devout to buy their Necronomicons, trench coats and shit.
>brainwashed him, and kept him in a cellar while wiping the memories of the other servants while sending them all to school together.
Rin did the former, Ilya did the second, and Rin did something like the latter.
It's cool though since she's a heroine
Ilya cuts off Shirou's head in one bad end and keeps it with her as she wins the war, and she's best girl. I'd say Homura's actions are pretty damn swell considering that she has no responsibility to the world and could've simply said "fuck all you niggers, I only care about Madoka." and done something actually horrific instead of 'wahhh she removed our memories of the afterlife now we have to be happy and I hate happiness.
Regular old, run-of-the-mill money won't work?
>she deserves the hate she receives.
Nah, fuck you. She deserves all the love she gets from Homufags. Homuhaters begone.
you don't truly love if you don't let her do what she wants
When Godoka finds out Homura took Sayaka and Nagisa from Yuri Valhalla, she is going to scrub her off from the face of the Earth.
Don't forget external hard drives for their Homura porn and Madoka rape doujins, maybe with a little Sayaka NTR out of spite that she's closer to Madoka than Homura ever will be.
Too bad she doesn't have that kind of power, since Homura is equal in power, at least.
No, because it isn't that edgy.
Homura did nothing wrong.
She did something wrong to create a strong right which ultimately cancels out the wrong. So truly, Homura did everything right.
Also, don't forget Homurafags hate Kyouko because she is loved by Sayaka. Ergo, they invest money in some guro Kyouko doujins.
Basically, she fucked everything up in such a way that she knew would pan out into everything being pretty much good. So yeah, good ending.
She didn't really fuck anything up though. But you're definitely on the right track.
Homura's not my favorite and I don't see the merit in her actions, but even I'm irritated with the influx in the past week of anti-Homu shitposters. Seriously shut up, no one wants to deal with the symptoms of your low-functioning autism in every fucking thread.
She fucked herself up.
She split the melon to give everyone a sweet dream.
Sayaka knows nothing, you dingus. By the time sayaka confronts homu in the epilogue, she's already going senile as fuck.
As far as being knowledgeable goes, Homura trumps sayaka infinitely - homu rewrote the universe, sayaka might have known the ins and outs of madoka's universe, if madoka ever told her in yuri heaven, but that's only slightly implied, and I'm being optimistic here. In either case, homu is now at least omnipotent and possibly omniscient (though the latter part could be argued, because if according to the series ending, madokes could see all past and future, she should have seen REBELLION COMING, YOU KNOW, so I guess neither her or homu will ever be truly omniscient.
If what madoka sed in the series epilogue was right and she was in fact omniscient of all timelines, she was aware of rebellion coming and LET IT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE LOVES HOMURA.
It's ai yo, and it goes both ways. Eat your heart out, jealous fags, madoka and homura will attain happiness.
THERE YOU HAVE IT.
If there's a Yuri Valhalla, is there a Yuri Hell?
>tfw you realise Sayaka and Nagise will align with Godoka, while Mami and Kyouko will enter in a sacrilegal alliance with Homura
Being Meguca is suffering.
Godoka couldn't know shit since they were trapped inside the Soul Gem. Opinion discarded faggot.
Series needs to end with all the megukas becoming gods, forming their own pantheon, locked to keep each other in balance eternally.
Yeah, true. She probably suffers from PTSD at this point.
>Mami - Kyouko - Homura
It's a nice idea, but you don't want to mention it because it really makes a lot of the retarded anons mad if you even suggest that anyone would empathize with Homura in the slightest.
Say it loud and say it proud, brother.
Who cares what the retarded people think?
>If there's a Yuri Valhalla, is there a Yuri Hell?
I'm not sure if I want to even know what a "Yuri Hell" would look like...
AI YO happened after that--it's completely irrelevant if Madokami is omniscient. Don't think that calling someone a fag somehow makes you look less retarded.
A place where only yuri subtext exists, and they're horny so nothing happens ever.
It's where everyone is chained up just 1mm out of touching and kissing range from their yuri partner, and they're always turned on.
Homura a shit, though. Since it was revealed/suggested that Kyouko and Sayaka were lesbians, that idea occured to me. Urobuchi would shatter relationships even further to add more drama. If Mami and Kyouko wanted to allign with Homura I wouldn't be mad with them, that treacherous bitch knows how to lie.
Then Yuri Valhalla should be the lewdest shit.
When you put it like that it's easy to agree with you, and right now the balance is pretty fair, but some nights the retard crowd is like 90% of the thread and I don't want to provoke them into shitposting any harder.
I was about to greentext one stupid part of this post and post a condescending reaction image, but the whole post is fucking stupid. You're retarded, anon.
True, this is actually pretty tame by comparison. Remember the guy who kept arguing that Rebellion wasn't canon with the series?
why, because two little girls could actually stand to gain a human life, short and insignificant as they are, despite becoming a witch because teen angst / mother dying? Are you saying that spending the fucking ETERNITY stuck as a thoughtform with other thoughtforms is that much preferrable? A stale eternal world with all the same faces all the time, instead of a human life they could actually live without knowing what's gonna happen the next day, you know, experience humane things before being preserved (presumably) eternally? If Godoka got upset over something this stupid, then she'd be about as petty as the biblical and abrahamic gods of yore. Like, fucking please try to comprehend the philosophical implications of what you're saying, you colossal mouthbreather.
Yeah, I think if Kyouko and Sakura and their relationship become the focus of the next installment, it would be perfect. I see them as the type to bicker a lot even after becoming friends/partners/whatever your cup of tea is.
Fuck off Homurafag. I give a fuck about what your kind thinks.
>Remember the guy who kept arguing that Rebellion wasn't canon with the series
I'm lucky that I come when those kids are asleep.
You fucking retarded piece of shit, don't bring it back up. There's no point in that argument because neither side is wrong.
get out. Kyoko was homu's bff right after madokes. We love her as much as we love homura. Homura's love extends to all meguca.
Nice try, noncanonfag.
I need some Kyouko x Sayka doujins now.
Well there's only like several hundred of them.
Damn, anon, those are real hard to come by.
Obsession, you mean. That rotten bitch doesn't know how to love without ruining everything.
This is almost a certainty at this point and is likely part of Homura's grand plan. She's going to play with their emotions and keep them at each others' necks the instant someone dares to try and stop her. She'll probably do even more unforgivable things along the way like physically torturing Sayaka and taking her anger out on Madoka herself. People asked what would happen if we saw an angry Madoka, after the atrocities Homura has committed I think we'll finally see her pent up wrath. Homura would still probably smirk like a bitch though since she's making Madoka hate her even more.
>Urobuchi would shatter relationships even further to add more drama.
I think he just gets a rep for being edgy since he comes from writing eroge where that was basically the requirement for a plot. In reality he's a pretty respectable storyteller who doesn't force anything just for the intrinsic sake of it, but looks at it in relation to the plot and the consequences of the narrative.
>Homura doesn't love Madoka
That's now how you spell saving.
Woops, meant for >>102176975
>understanding civilized western movies
all he knows is how to smuggle cocaine with tacos
It's always tough to point out the real retards too, because whenever you try to make an intelligent point, you're bound to get a few guys who try to support you but end up being totally biased and fallacious about it and make your point look just as stupid.
It's on you if you can't get past the guardian panda to make it to the archives in this game.
She doesn't love Madoka. She's obsessed with her existence because that's all she has to fight for any more. She can't stand that Madoka tries to take her Madoka away from her, so she wipes that person out and replaces her with the blank slate Madoka that needs protecting. She can't stand anyone but her being close to Madoka so she makes her a transfer student with no friends. It makes more sense to say that she despises everything about Madoka, or else she wouldn't have ruined everything like she did for such a petty reason.
>experiencing the wrath of Godoka
>implying this wasn't the master plan of QB all along
Even if QB is so messed up in the head by Homura right now, I think we haven't seen everything that the little bastard has to offer.
Ignore it, it's just a loose whore jealous of my anal strenght.
You have exactly zero relevance in the meguka continuum.
None of them would have any reason to be attached to you whatsoever. Least of all, one that's already in a committed relationship. Please stop trying.
>She doesn't love Madoka.
I stopped reading right there.
I must have missed where she was raped in the TV series or movie somewhere. Can you point me to it?
I wouldn't mind that development at all as a Homufag. I see it as a low possibility but I love that type of character, and it's win-win because people who dislike Homura will enjoy it--the more delusional she becomes, the harder her wake-up call moment will hit her.
well i doesn't love your mom either, kevin.
>She doesn't love Madoka
Her love for Madoka is canonically the very cause of her omnipotence. It's not even possible for you to be any more wrong.
Damn. Anon, I...
>TV series or movie
I think I found your problem.
so, godoka, omnipresent as she might be, couldn't at least sense something was off when homu's soulgem went off radar, or from the fact that homu never appeared in her yuri valhalla, present or future, despite the fact that madoka is omnipresent and could effectively live in all time at once.
She either never was fully omnipresent as she claimed, or she was and she let it happen regardless.
I'd prefer the first option personally because I think the story has a greater effect if it was homura breaking a divine rule through sheer willpower alone. It would make it a lot more human struggle. However, either way, rebellion would still remain beautiful. I'm just sorry for the uncultured twats who haven't been exposed to culture and literature enough to be able to fully understand and analyze this piece of work.
They can't do or plan to do shit as they are now.
But be sure that if they ever got free from Homura, the wish granters (and now sentient) Incubators will pound some asses.
You're a funny one. I'll give you a consolation chuckle. Heh.
You're right and all, but this word is becoming a second "objectively." It doesn't make your point sound anymore valid you faggot.
>muh lesbian relationship
gb2 tumblr/deviantart/u/srs hambeasts
>your right, but you're a faggot
Is this what we've come to? Insulting the people who agree with us?
Oh yeah, I watched the Fate/Stay Night TV series and I have a question. Is the movie just a recap or should I watch that before I watch Fate/Zero Night?
All that I know is that Homura disregarded Madoka's wishes, thinking she knew best, and stripped Madoka of her memories and powers just because Homura is a stupid yandere.
Treating someone like a prop in your schemes, ignoring their autonomy, is the worst thing you can do.
>I'm just sorry for the uncultured twats who haven't been exposed to culture and literature enough to be able to fully understand and analyze this piece of work.
>all love for someone of the same gender is gay
Fuck off retard.
She's calling her selfish, hateful obsession love because she's insane and overflowing with evil. She probably loved Madoka before becoming a devil, but not any more.
>It's not even possible for you to be any more wrong.
Or you know, you could just read his post and realize why you don't even understand what he's saying.
The only one she actually tried to kill was BB, and failed miserably.
Other than that, you are right.
>girls who love vaginas aren't faggots
>She probably loved Madoka before becoming a devil, but not any more.
Interesting fanfic. You should post it on fanfiction.net.
You mean in the VN? Which one? (I hope you don't mean the instance with Caster)
That was a genuine question. I am curious.
Fuck off, holy shit.
They have zero excuse to stay pleb. Madoka and Rebellion have inspired me to read countless stories that I never would have looked at beforehand. And holy shit, Goethe's Faust is another gateway into a crazy amount of world literature. It never ends.
>anti-homura crowd going as far as saying she doesn't love Madoka
wow, you guys hit a new low.
Blame $hinbo. He turned Homura into a shitty yandere so he could keep milking the franchise.
She explicitly states she's not going to hold back anymore and she's going to grab what she wants. She abandoned her original feelings that being with Madoka forever would be okay because she has the power to get what she really wants, control over her. Someone who loves someone wouldn't willingly hurt them like Homura hurts Madoka.
The real degenerates are actual faggots, not lesbians.
Come on, Caster violated her all night long.
>believing the lies of Homura
She may think or say that she loves Madoka, but that doesn't make it true.
>Someone who loves someone wouldn't willingly hurt them like Homura hurts Madoka.
That is not true at all. Sometimes, you need to hurt people that you love to protect them. The series throws this point in your face on several occasions actually.
Not all of us Homuhaters would go so far as to say such a stupid thing. Her love, obsessive or not, is true.
She is still a shit though
Oh okay, I just assumed bait because you didn't mention the VN at all. Yeah, anon was probably talking about the Caster instance.
Says the sadist.
Stripping someone of everything that makes them who they are is not okay. Homura knows this and doesn't care, that's the point. You're supposed to doubt her love because it's monstrous and unnatural.
>Stripping someone of everything that makes them who they are is not okay.
>Madoka is nothing without being Madokami
Yeah, but she has to go that far because she loves her. There's nothing monstrous or unnatural about it. It's instinctual. It's beautiful actually.
Someone got it right.
Homura isn't evil. Even if she was, us Homufags are bound to go down with her.
Homu haters should really give her a break. She had respected Madoka's wish and intended to be with her in Yuri Valhalla from the end of episode 12 to the flower field scene. She was about to turn bebe into cheese paste for supposedly shitting on Madoka's wish by existing. Then she talks with Madoka, who tells her that she would never want to leave her family and friends and be all alone. She gets convinced that it's the real Madoka and those are her real desires. When she has the opportunity to do something about it, she acts on it. She was willing to sacrifice herself to give Madoka her life back.
Yeah. It's a possible reason Homura went through with overthrowing Madokami and rising to power, even if Kyubei was thwarted and Homura was successfully rescued, she's afraid as shit that Kyubei will keep trying to destroy/control Madoka.
>have completely fabricated memories of your entire life, separating you from your friends and everything you knew prior
Sounds pretty different to me.
You realise that killing yourself sends you directly to the City of Dis, don't you?
>B-b-but muh sacrifice
Not only that, but it seems that she doesn't trust Madoka to protect herself. To her, Madoka's wish was a huge mistake in the first place and should have never happened. As far as Homura's concerned, Madoka suffered a fate worse than death and she has failed to protect her.
Madoka was recreated in the new world with memories that were specifically taken from the Law of the Cycle, they weren't fabricated at all. She just doesn't remember becoming God.
That's what Madoka did when she rewrote the universe. It's bad when Homura does it but suddenly okay then?
>willing to take on a shitload of suffering and become (in her eyes) beyond salvation
I don't remember Madoka being American in any of the other timelines. I also remember her having friends named Sayaka and Hitomi.
What are you guys talking about? She intended to spend her eternity within the isolation field, rotting within the curses.
After seeing Madoka fuck herself over a hundred times, I wouldn't trust her to take care of herself too.
>I'm not sure if I want to even know what a "Yuri Hell" would look like...
Homura's S&M dungeon where she keeps Madoka forever tied up.
She's still friends with Sayaka and Hitomi, she knew them more than three years ago.
Sayaka's still there in new world, but yeah, I forgot about the American transfer part, sorry.
>A place where only yuri subtext exists, and they're horny so nothing happens ever.
so basically K-ON! and every moe SoL series ever?
>I also remember her having friends named Sayaka and Hitomi.
She's been with those two since preschool--you think she'd forget about them after a 3-year absence? Get over yourself; you're just grasping for reasons to hate Homura.
Rewatch the fucking movie.
>inb4 muh symbolism
>you're just grasping for reasons to hate Homura.
Welcome to anti-Homura circlejerk threads.
>Someone who loves someone wouldn't willingly hurt them like Homura hurts Madoka.
1. hurting the ones you love has been like the theme of the show since season 1 episode one. Please watch it again, carefully, taking notes.
2. homu's not willingly hurting madokes, you twat. Her motivation's mainly behind two factors:
3. to stop incubators from hijacking godoka (she does it herself to preserve witch wiping)
4. because, as godoka entered her barrier and lost all her divine memories, she, as madoka, told homura that she couldn't bear being apart from her friends and family (the 'i had a terrible dream' scene before homu goes witch, you know), which is why homu probably thinks that madoka's burden is too heavy for her, and she's forcibly taking a part of that burden on herself, so that her best friend could attain normal human happiness once again.
5. Taking whole burdens on themselves for the sake of their loved ones (inadverdently causing them pain) was the whole theme of the show from the get-go. You know, with dokes dying, homu becoming meguca, dokes asking her to save her, homu saying she'll repeat time forever, final timeline dokes deciding its too much on homura's shoulder to bear and sacrificing herself by making the wish, homu now bringing dokes back because she felt remorse/longing/guilt/love etc.
They've both committed the same sin, but they've both always done it for the sake of the other. Madoka didn't become a god to save meguca, she did it first and foremost to save homura. she stated that both in the series, the recap movies, and in the scene where madokami gets hijacked. It was always for homu, and homu suffered. That's exactly homu's own sin. Dokes and Homu are the different sides of the same coin, always will be.
Yes, I hope you feel guilty for watching the Yuri hell and doing nothing to help those poor souls.
>Sayaka is turned into a weird chuuni that blurts out things about Homura being a devil at inappropriate times
Dying within the field wouldn't do anything, in fact, even if Homulilly could be destroyed, it would be the opposite of helpful for her to try it. Sayaka and Nagisa would just give Madoka her powers in a last-ditch effort to save Homura and she would risk QB capture.
>starting this shit again
Why can't you egotistical fucks just agree that it doesn't matter either way? Homura either intended to be destroyed with no hope for salvation or effectively destroyed with no hope for salvation. What's the difference in regards to the overall plot? There is none. Stop splitting hairs.
>Dying within the field wouldn't do anything
It would destroy her. That's the point. And she doesn't know about Madoka and Sayaka and Nagisa so she couldn't predict that.
>They've both committed the same sin, but they've both always done it for the sake of the other. Madoka didn't become a god to save meguca, she did it first and foremost to save homura.
Bullshit, Homura's actions were the catalyst that convinced her to take action, but Kyubey's brain bleaching about the history of magical girls did that. Madoka's goal is to save everyone, not just one.
And while they've always been wishing against and for each other, they've never directly hurt others or fucked with the universe. Homura did the unforgivable in one last ditch effort to protect Madoka, this time with the resolve that any cost, even Madoka's free will and the fate of the universe, was acceptable as long as she was able to keep her Madoka to herself peacefully and without conflict. There's no going back at this point, there's only so much hurting in the name of love you can do until it stops being love. The only love Madoka can show to her at this point is putting her out of her wretched misery, and she's smart enough to realize that.
Homura > *
Homura is my (Devil) Goddess.
I dunno, I could say to hell with them all, they shouldn't have done anything in the first place, Especially homuru. Yeah, he was a conniving cunt, but that happens in real life, and Kyubey was doing it for the survival of the entire goddamn universe. And somewhere I remember him mentioning other races, when he was talking about humans being the only ones with emotions. Which still doesn't make sense to me, the whole part about nothing else ever having emotions.
Kyubey was saving the universe at the expense of a couple hundred emotionally insecure teens who probably wouldn't have amounted to much anyway to save millions. Homuru stepped in with her time device, and decided to start adding all that karmic destiny or whatever to Madoka. Homuru was the one that gave Madoka the power to turn into the giant giga-witch that would have destroyed earth in a week. Hooomuuuruuuuu did it, she wrecked madoka's shit even more by stepping in.
Somehow, Madoka fixed this, and unfucked what homuru fucked. She set up a nice little world without despair and one with a lot more whiny insecure girls, but still saved the world/universe at the same time. Although, I don't remember whether or not Meguca stopped the universal entropy or whatever it was called, anyone remember? Homuru came and fucked it up again, because apparently she couldn't love someone from a distance like the incredible otaku she really was at heart. SHe decided to do what most of us couldn't, got up out of her desk, and approached the one she loved, but instead ended up making an entire different frigging universe while ruining a nice little setup Madoka had going. Now, entropy might be a problem again, Kyubey is fuckedkyubey is my waifu and everybody's treating Madoka like she has downs syndrome because they know what she doesn't. I'm just waiting for Madoka to finally fuck homuru up good, She's too clingy to be safe.
TL:DR: Stay otaku, Play it safe.
Knowing that she invited the Law of Cycles in because she's the only person who remembers is the entire reason she is able to deduce that she's the witch. If there was any doubt, Kyubey dispels it. Step it up.
Stay mad faggot. Homura was never on anyone's side. She just wanted to be with Madoka and when the cotton-candy flavoured megami appeared right in front of her she bit hard and didn't let go.
How did she fuck everything Madoka died for up? In Homura's new world every Magical Girl was alive and happy. Just not her. Why still hate her? Think about the ending again, dipshit.
Madoka SAYS in the series it's to save Homu(gymnasium dialogue with qb.) Her wish was just covering all her bases, it was for Homu's sake. (PS: The mistake she made while making her final wish was 'jibun wo te de', meaning she'll be stuck for eternity carrying out her wish with her own hands. Essentially wat homu did in rebellion was remove that clause from the contract).
Madoka SAYS in rebellion, as she descends upon Homu, 'How could I forget something this important? I did it all in Homura's name'.(sou datta. atashi wa homura-chan no tame ni... konna daijina koto wasuretetanoni)
Come back when you've started to comprehend things you actually see or read. Kthxbai.
fuck the nigger that stole the madoka posters from the 'ssauga showings
i hope your mother dies of lung cancer
>mfw people complain about Homura's actions but nobody could resist grabbing themselves a Madoka if they had the chance
Homura is responsible for:
>betraying Madoka, her hope, and her love
>enslaving all life in the universe
>tormenting her friends who not moments before risked their lives to save her
>jeopardizing the stability of the world
>destroying Madoka's afterlife
>brainwashing Madoka to keep her in a cage
She has become evil incarnate and must be stopped at any cost.
But as far as she knows, Madoka's powers are sealed away. She has no reason to believe she would magically get them back.
>i posted it again!!
>this post in its entirety
I love when people who are being a drain on the productivity of society by posting on an anime imageboard pretend like they're avid supporters of utilitarianism.
hey madofags, let me ask you something.
is madoka mlp for weeaboos???
Imagine how fun it would be to bully Homura.
>hiding her books and watch her cry during class
>tripping her in the hallways and stepping on her glasses
>filling her locker with fake Valentines from Madoka, all of which saying "I hate you, please die."
>spreading rumors about her deviency so that Madoka gets disturbed by her
>untying her shoes in gym so she trips and makes a fool of herself
>tricking her into thinking she's meeting Madoka at the school entrance, only to drop a bucket of used mop water on her from the upper levels
>hiding her clothes after swimming classes so she has to go home in her swimsuit and get laughed at
Where's /a/'s pantheon chart?
Homura needs to be added.
Line breaks dude have you heard of them
Not sure you know what utilitarianism is¿
They're not avid supporters of happiness over despair?
I would much rather grab a Mami, thank you very much.
You're right, why would she ever consider Madoka and the two witch/meguca she's seen? Obviously she would just totally ignore their presence.
But that's wrong, she only knows that everyone else has had their memories are changed. Besides, Sayaka and Nagisa could still use their witch power inside the barrier, so it would make sense Madoka could too if she knew she had 'em
>they've never directly hurt others or fucked with the universe.
Madoka erased herself from the memories of everyone who loved her (fucked w/ the universe) sans Homura.
What did Homura do? Put Madoka back in their memories, albeit altered to fit Madoka back into the world she created with her wish. Oh, and she fucking BROUGHT BACK TWO DEAD PEOPLE. HOLY SHIT THEY MUST BE HURTING LIKE FUCK, I MEAN, DID YOU SEE NAGISA CRY AT THE END WHILE PRANCING AROUND IN THE WATER PUDDLES? HOLY SHIT MAN SHE WAS DEVASTATED. Sayaka's a bit asspained, but she's fucking alive AND her wish is still intact. What Homura did was by no means any more bad compared to what Dokes did.
Also, delude yourself all you want, Dokes would never do anything bad to Homu - compared to your plebeian and fairly inhumane thought processes, Urobuchi is a person in touch and heavily influenced with classical literature and humane values (despite his usual presentation), plus with a keen sense of aesthetics. Doke's ripe with classical themes, and the way it's been going so far there's not a chance for the ending you desire, since it's completely leftfield, sadistic and completely out of touch emotionally. In short, please seek professional help, you sociopath
I indented, 4chin decided they weren't nescesary and left them out
Fair enough. After all, I'd prefer to grab a Homu myself.
Homura I love you
Someone in this thread asked me already, but I've made my mind up.
What? I'm not sure what you're saying. There's no indication that she deduced what Sayaka's purpose was at any point in the isolation field. Hell, she doesn't even know Nagisa exists.
>Madoka could too if she knew she had 'em
And she doesn't know she has them.
You don't understand how the series works do you? Hope and despair are zero-sum. They oppose each other in equality. Madoka doesn't make the world a better place, she just removes the girls from the world before they're engulfed by the despair side of the cycle.
But she doesn't love you. She only has eyes for Madoka.
are you a little 2D girl? If not, I'm sorry, but maybe there is hope for us in the next world.
As long as we're wasting away in the world of our anime, why not pretend?
Yup, an average Madoka thread.
Seriously guys, Just enjoy Madoka and don´t turn this into a waifu war.
I would rather have a world overly on the happy side with no despair than one with plenty of it, even if it throws of some balance that makes no sense to me whatsoever. Why is a world with no despair a bad thing?
Did bomber grape made a Madoka doujin or something?
If Homura is your waifu, does that also make Madoka your waifu by extension?
No, because goddesses and devils cannot legally marry.
>why not pretend?
I-I could be your Kyuubey waifu... if you want.
>she fucked up everything Madoka loved
Like bringing Sayaka back to life and making it so that she could live with her family again?
I am when I'm online.
We can love Madoka, but we can never be with her. Such is the nature of being a Homufag.
all bitches love muh dik
So then you should be a supporter of Homura's new world. Otherwise, I dunno what you're saying. Madokami doesn't tip the scales. She removes the girls from the scale, but their spots are simply filled in by wraiths.
Waifufags don't care about having their love returned, it's impossible by virtue or 2D.
So those pictures come from his pixiv?
Color me impressed.
You mean he actually made a doujin in addition to the pixiv webcomic? I'm in despair.
Bomber usually does doujins, touhou doujins.
Life is not just about happiness. It's about enjoying the happy moments, withstanding the harsh ones and learn to appreciate both faces of it.
If it wasn't for the former, there would be no point in living. If it wasn't for the latter, we would be stuck in a point without any reason at all to improve ourselves nor grow.
So, no. Fuck utopias.
>positive stagnation is bad
Could have been much worse, like what happened in Kikokugai. Urobuchi really is getting soft.
Any kind of stagnation is bad, anon.
That is where we differ.
Okay, TDS Kyouko.
>yandere = murderer
Well, Homura is neither.
I didn't state that term. I was saying how one of the characteristics most commonly associated with a yandere don't applied to her.
She brutally murdered Moemura.
But then she would be guilty of suicide.
>I was saying how one of the characteristics most commonly associated with a yandere don't applied to her.
>I didn't say yanderes were murderers. I just said they usually cause people to die.
She is. Multiple times in fact.
When did she get so lewd?
She's not lewd. People have lewd minds.
Homu is pure and only thinks lewd thoughts about Madoka.
She isn't pure
Are lewd thoughts about the one and only girl you love not pure?
Homu has no lewd thoughts about Madoka-chan.
It should be impossible to be a creepily possessive omnipotent stalker with molesting hands and *still* be the submissive one, but Homura found a way.
>still spoilering the text
seriously can you go back to tumblr or something
Also Homura always has been and always will be the best girl.
There is only one thing that's annoying about the movie and that's the mere fact that it exists - the TV series had a good ending so doing anything beyond that is shameless milking of the product, which fans are mostly all to happy to defend.
But since it had to be done, Homura's twist at the end was fucking fantastic.
>lewd thoughs about the one girl you love
>not pure thoughs about the one girl you love
That's only nominally lewd. Besides it's newtype.
Madoka is on top all the time every time, and this is a perfectly acceptable way to have a conversation.
Hey she's doing pretty good for a devil. She hasn't raped Sayaka yet.
I loved Rebellion too anon. I think there's some people who can't enjoy things and hate when someone else does.
The worst thing of tv series was it its ending
>the TV series had a good ending so doing anything beyond that is shameless milking of the product
It would have been nice an Oriko OVA though.
>Also Homura always has been and always will be the best girl.
But she isn't Mami, etc, etc.
Only if you're judging by which girl would be best to have a tea party with. Homus aren't for having a tea party with, they're for marrying and loving forever.
What was wrong with the ending?
B-but I want to marry and have a lot of little Mamies with her.
I wasn't >>102184408 if that's what you are thinking.
There was a thread last night where the OP thought the ending was pretentious, you think there's only one person in the world who thinks so?
Calling your post an upvote isn't the same as calling you a samefag. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
There's not much else in your post, so I couldn't tell if you were simply stating or being sarcastic.
Only if you won't leave her like everyone else.
Homu doesn't seem like the motherly type to me, and I'm not sure she still works that way biologically. At least we'd have the Clara dolls.
>Only if you won't leave her like everyone else
What kind of inhuman being would be able of something like that?
Does someone have the full version with the rest of the girl of this pic?
That's a little harsh, though inhuman is technically correct.
Nagisa will have to leave her too and return to the law of cycles. Maybe Mami will fight on Homura's side this time.
>Tomoe Mami, do you think this world is precious?
Madoka sure is excited about that cake.
I know that it's most likely to happen and it will sucks watching her and Kyouko getting wreck.
Thank you. It's freaking adorable.
No amount of doujin will make HomuMado lewd.
It will be okay as long as she can protect her world from Sayaka.
Madoka's been in the US for 3 years, she sure can handle lewdness now.
Madoka is the lewd one anyway. She just has to do what comes naturally to Homura.
For me is quite the opposite. If that happens, I expect Sayaka to beat some sense into them, preferably without anyone dying. That may be too much to ask though.
Madoka and Homura are not lewd. Please stop.
I am starting to get dizzy. Night.
It's probably for the best if you don't fall off any cliffs.
Say anything you want, there's only 1 True that is "Homura saves all". That's why we don't need any apologist since the result is obvious that Homura makes a perfect world and makes everything better than Madoka had done. She doesn't care about what pleb like you has blame on her since she knows well that what she do is for the greater good and makes the world a better place for everyone.
And Sayaka will probably die like a dog again just like the first season since she is totally hopeless and she will try to ruin the everything just like always.
Someone took the cake song too seriously...
No Akuma Homura cake
Homura has such a sweet expression there.
Yes she ruined everything and rewrote the universe taking all the suffering on herself because otherwise Kyubey would have ruined everything she died for making her wish and everything in vain.
So she created a world where all megucas are happy and shut their memories to previous events of so Madoka will not see her potential and godlike powers yet.
Not defending her - just stating the obvious.
Kyubey lost when Homura and Madoka destroyed isolation field. He would never be able to control Madoka anyway.
That's not the reason Homura did it.
Homura is seriously one of the best-written tragic characters ever.
Madoka all around is really well written. Butcher did well.
Holy shit, read a book.
I think be was being hyperbolic and just meant she's well-written. Besides, the assertion that 'x is one of the best x ever' is impossible to make with any sort of validity unless there and extremely small quantity of x, which in this case (tragic characters) there aren't. Otherwise you'd have to assume the one making that claim has observed every possible instance of x, which is absurd. So you can safely assume he's exaggerating.
Save everyone of fucking what? An eternity of peace and love in Yuri Valhalla?
>like all girls
This is too good
So, did we confirm that Homu not wrong again?
Until you start picking apart all the plot holes =3=
I tend to ignore them. It allows me to continue deluding myself that Madoka is the greatest work ever. I'm fine with that.
Keep saying that to yourselves, fucking faggots. Homura a shit.
>Until you start picking apart all the plot holes =3=
Yes, Homu did nothing wrong.
Keep saying that to yourself.
No matter what she does, she'll still be loved.
Happiness(or at least a bias towards it) leads to the most willful, humanity-orientated progress. That's kind of the point of reducing unnecessary suffering, it's to improve potential development and progress.
This is pretty much the basis for wishes(based on hope) in general. Madoka prevented those wishes from ending in total despair(but they still disappear). Homura built on this and seems to have prevented the disappear part, mostly. It seems to have some problems, or it's still a work in progress, but it's arguably the best thing we have yet.
The reason utopia's are considered bad is because they're usually impossible, not because reducing suffering is bad.
Homura succeeded where Madoka failed.
The only reason people think she fucked up is because Sayaka was angry in the end.
Meduka didn't fail. Every time, Homura and Madoka improve on something the other did.
>Madoka saves Homura from a witch in timeline 1
>Homura becomes meguca to go back and save Madoka
>Madoka saves Homura with her last grief seed
>Homura goes back as many times as it takes to save Madoka from death, building up her magical potential to god levels
>Madoka saves Homura and all megucas from their fate of turning into witches
>Homura sacrifices her own salvation and fills her soul with despair to give Madoka the chance at a normal life after the flower field conversation convinces her Madoka regretted her wish
She doesn't sacrifice her salvation because it's not salvation for her.
She was like 5 seconds away from being beamed up to yuri valhalla before she grabbed Madoka's hand. Don't get me wrong, I support homu 100% because she did what was necessary but in doing so she gave up her chance at finally being happy.
If she wasn't made to doubt Madoka's wish, Homura could have been taken to Yuri Valhalla without any regrets. She'd have died happy knowing that she finally saved Madoka and they were going to be together forever.
There are no yuri valhalla, law of cycles is probably some shit like eternal nirvana for your soul.
Homura doesn't want it and she fucked up everything.
But she didn't want to die. And that's understandable.
Homu was a failure who only made things worse by turning madoka into a such a bomb her only option in the end was martyrdom or destroying the world
But she didn't do that on purpose. She regreted it anyway and thus she made her final desicion in Rebellion story to make the world how she wanted it to be; see everyone she loved happy (even the other Megucas) and Kyubey who made everyone suffer got kicked in the butt. But she had to pay a price and looked like the villain. Maybe she liked to look like the villain or maybe she just went mad. Who knows.
Still a failure, she never succeded in preventing the contract too
Finally I understood why homu declined Madoka's ascension and torn her apart.
Since I want to tear apart akuma homu right now in order to get back normal homu.
At first, I admitted her new 'development' in rebellion reluctantly, it was okay.
But no. not okay now.
Keep saying that to yourselves, fucking faggots. Homura a perfect.
>chance at finally being happy.
and never success anything
Moemura is dead, anon.
Homu was a saviour who only made things better by turning madoka back into a human her only option in the end was True Saviour or saving the world
Now imagine a version of Homu telling you that she would never do such a thing to her frineds.
Urofaggot is a gateway anime writer of the worst kind. He writes bad series, clusterfucks of stories and characterizations that aren't very well done by any aspect, but he attempts to compensate for their weaknesses by adding in excessive yuri faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal anon can see this guy as the hack that he is, and may enjoy, hate or be indifferent to this, but all the while recognizing that the writer himself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.
However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the edginess, the peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole SUFFERING faggotry and everything about Urofaggot's writing fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of his series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat his shit right the fuck up.
Urofaggot shows are basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbases known to /a/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of his shows and everyone who likes them, and ensure that no Urofaggot threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here.
Mami did nothing wrong.
shit b8 m8, i r8 0/8
Killing your long time friend and companion Kyoko isn't wrong at all.
She was doing what she thought was best for her kohai.
I, for one, don't want any part of what Mami thinks is best.
She still fucked up. What's your point? Fuck you Mami apologists.
Nice copypasta of Rog's Naruto hate video.
>Nice copypasta of Rog's Naruto hate video.
You're an idiot
Wrong, she'd have made some other excuse to trap Madoka because that's her real goal. She wants her all to herself and hates the idea of dying without a chance to make that happen. The instant she discovered she could trap Madoka she was going to go through with it, Madoka's own opinions be damned.
I wish I could be her Madoka.
Typical Homutard, wishing to belittle himself to become the devil's sex toy. The pinnacle of degeneracy.
>Implying anyone is apologizing
Not her sex toy, I want to love the Homu.
>not loving her devotion to Madoka
Thanks for the denotation that everyone knows. I'm saying actions speak louder than words.
The fuck are you going on about, he blatantly misunderstood the word.
Homura is completely incapable of love. She's a monster worse than any witch now, there isn't an iota of love in that pitch black soul for anything.
Or is stretching it for the sake of the joke. We're not lawyers here; surely discussion can function without the reliance on frozen English, can it not?
You're wrong, anon. Homura is filled entirely with love.
I don't know about you, but I could love something as awful as a devil.
It sounds a hell of a lot like you're backpedaling and trying to brush it off as a joke. You can discuss whatever you want but don't get flustered when you see words you don't understand.
What the hell are you talking about?
But she's not a devil or the devil. Akuma means Demon.
I still love Homura, but I don't want to be her "sex toy" either. Homuhaters are way too aggressive.
She's insane, her power comes from embracing and controlling her curse and despair, not love. She only calls it that because she's off her rocker.
Sorry, but not everyone wants to play pissing contest with you on an anonymous image board. Look elsewhere if you just want to condescend others to build yourself up.
>>Homura sacrifices her own salvation and fills her soul with despair to give Madoka the chance at a normal life after the flower field conversation convinces her Madoka regretted her wish
because her original wish overlapped with madoka's she was able to turn her despair into love for her friend and "extract" madoka from the law of cycles. urobuchi agreed, don't bother him about it
It's definitely not about wanting to fuck the Homu. That is lewd.
her power comes from embracing and controlling her curse and despair BECAUSE love.
This. They've been through a lot together. One day they'll reach the ending they're searching for.
Her definition of love is warped. Love isn't binding your friend forever and destroying her world to make it happen. It's not about protecting Madoka anymore, it's about making sure the consumed-by-evil Homura is satisfied.
Homura fucked any chance of that ever happening up.
Homu should have killed Mami herself. She does nothing but cause trouble.
Gee, I wonder where this is going.
Homura is truly a monster. Remember all of the lives she sacrificed to her new world? Let's tally them up... huh?
-3 lives? Wait, that can't be right...
Oh well, who needs facts and numbers? Homura is evil because we say so, right anon? Damn her evil actions... whatever they are.
Homu probably gets wet on reflex by now.
Something must be wrong with me, my chest hurts more than my dick is hard.
Sayaka and Nagisa being alive are an accident. Homura doesn't give a shit, and thinks Sayaka's struggles to right her wrongs are amusing because she's completely full of herself. It also helps to keep Madoka nice and quiet by having one less thing to worry about.
She didn't destroy anything. Of course her definition of love is warped, she's pretty much been through hell for Madoka.
She needs Madoka to teach her how to love right again.
Oh no how lewd.
Whatever saves your ego, dumbass. Look, If you don't want to be insulted and told that you're wrong then learn to know what you're talking about and for god's sake don't backpedal and make up excuses when you're called out for being wrong. Just some food for thought.
So, even though she hasn't killed anyone (unlike Sayaka), she's evil because creating a perfect world is, in your words, accidental?
She's keeping the world like her dream world for her own amusement, but she isn't included in it because there's no space for an evil devil to fit in. Hence the bullying Sayaka, Mami and Kyouko parts. If that illusion is broken and her damage to the law of cycles is displayed, she'd be more than willing to kill to get it back.
Well, I wasn't really talking specifically of Madoka's world, but life in general.
Complete happiness is the main ideal that drives us forward, the light at the end of the tunnel. In order to achieve that goal, if there is X problem that menace or at least affect negatively our source of bliss, we find a solution and overcome it. Find a problem, create a solution. Sometimes succeeding, sometimes doing wrongly and tripping, but always growing wiser and better with each step onward.
Like any perfect ideal, it's unreachable. Everytime we seem to get closer, it will always be a little bit further. But without a mountain to scale, how else humanity could surpass itself?
Utopias aren't necessarily a bad thing, but they would be an incomplete life experience.
Perfection is unattainable, so there's no reason to worry about such things. The project of improving everyone's quality of life is a worthy one regardless.
Sure. Because Homura doens't, right?
Nice try, fag
>Whatever saves your ego, dumbass.
You don't listen at all to what someone is telling you because you'd rather project a false dichotomy so you can be the correct one. The only one with their sense of self involved in the discussion is you. Knock it off or put on a trip.
Haha yeah, Sayaka just glared at the two hosts, was enveloped by magical power, and then turned and walked away, right?
>Sayaka on the train where she turns witchy and kills those two guys
You can't blame her for her actions when going witchy though.
woah, you can´t... no way... ha...
You can't prove anything.
Just like no one can prove that Homura would actually kill Sayaka instead of threatening her, yes.
That was clearly attempted murder, as Kyouko can testify.
That is what I was trying to say. Still, ideals are what we must aim for, no matter how unreachable they are. In my eyes, follow a guiding star is much better than groping in the dark.
Homura was definitely going to kill Sayaka before she witch'd, that makes perfect sense from her perspective.
Oh, brandishing a weapon in front of a person is attempted murder now? I'd like to be made aware of the statutes that refer to this.
Why didn't she kill her earlier then, after Madoka threw away her gem? She was going to become witch anyway.
Sayaka definitely killed those people on the train, we even hear a scream as the camera pans out in the movie. It makes sense considering she seems the seedy of that which she once sought to protect and was already mentally unhindged at that point. She even acts like she can't be forgiven anymore with Kyouko when Sayaka has one last moment of clarity in the eye of the storm before she loses all reason.
I suppose not.
>Homu didn't stop time
>she used her homulaser instead of a gun, a direct hit from which didn't even kill Kyubey
>she wasn't even aiming at Sayaka's soul gem, but shoving it in her face instead
>she just let Kyouko grab her with her spear
>she escaped from Kyouko and didn't follow Sayaka
All the evidence indicates that Homura still cared about Sayaka enough to not kill her. If Homura wanted any meguca dead, she could effortlessly kill them at any point and they'd never even see it coming.
Because she wanted Madoka to give up on her and let Sayaka die in peace. She only decided Sayaka was a threat when she started hurting Madoka and was on the verge of becoming a witch.
>she used her homulaser instead of a gun, a direct hit from which didn't even kill Kyubey
Except it did, it blew his brains out.
The defendant was heard to make several threatening remarks to the plantiff, and was clearly seen to bring to bear a deadly weapon. If not for the brave actions of the witness, the weapon would surely have discharged. The defendant is also under suspicion for assault charges against a Mr. Incubator in an unrelated case. It's not looking good for her.
>we even hear a scream as the camera pans out
Stop spreading bullshit, we hear no such thing.
Mami did things wrong, like all the megucas. Also like them, didn't do it by malice but because she had (ultimately) good intentions.
Fucked up things pretty badly, that's true.
Still waifu though
She's not Mami, she doesn't kill every magical girl just because they might one day become a witch.
We've been over this so many times, your arguments are all retarded, you're just being cheeky now. It's not even a black mark on Homura's character if she was going to kill Sayaka, it would have been a mercy kill. Why are you so adamant about denying the point of that scene?
It was in the movie
Right, it would make sense if her character wasn't already established by precedent. She's borderline-defeatist, non-confrontational, reactionary, etc. She makes no effort to contain any of the events within a plan or routine. She never shows the combination of foresight and fortitude necessary to end a life in order to further her own pragmatic ends.
It can be theorized that Homura was on the threshold of a Mind of Steel end, certainly. I just do not like the scene being used as an example of Homura's overall character when it's a complete outlier comparable to Sayaka's train scene.
The movie scene is the same as the series scene. There was no scream.
She mentally broke that time, don't be so mean ;_;
>Also like them, didn't do it by malice but because she had (ultimately) good intentions.
The path to hell is paved with good intentions. Homura quite literally proved that in Rebellion. Hell, only Madoka's good intentions didn't end up fucking anything over Homura doesn't count because she's a cruel bitch.
Homura's not retarded. Killing Sayaka would be the logical thing to do in that case. She tells Madoka time and time again to give up on Sayaka, yet you're saying she wouldn't have the balls to pull it off herself? Despite the fact that she already did the same thing to Madoka, her best friend? That makes no sense.
She (1) laid in wait for Sayaka, (2) stated her intent to kill, and (3) aimed a charging weapon at Sayaka. This is textbook attempt of the first degree.
Simply brandishing a weapon would just be assault.
I thought she was going to do it too until I rewatched it. Homura is not a stupid meguca, but it looks to me like she did everything intentionally badly.
But she autisticly fails at convincing Sayaka to have some delicious grief seeds.
Mami was probably well on her way to turning into a witch at that point. She'd lost all hope.
pls no more Kyouko's lifeless body ;_;
>she did everything intentionally badly.
Or she simply didn't know Kyouko was catching up with her - she's not a clairvoyant - and therefore had no reason to believe that she needed to hurry or use her timestop.
Guilty! Guilty! Throw her in the slammer!
I think that knowing what needs to be done and having the willpower to turn that into action are two different things. Homura is on the precipice of being a full-blown determinator but she flinches at all of the crucial moments.
I thought that was what half of Rebellion was about--the self-doubts we see within Homulilly, and the confidence Homura develops from accepting herself in entirety.
The defendant was found not guilty by reason of AI YO
>You're not greedy...
>You're batshit insane!
The one shouting guilty instead of believing in their clients always loses in this game. We all know in order to find the truth there's going to be a few turnabouts involved, and it looks like we have some NEW EVIDENCE.
>she flinches at all of the crucial moments.
Does she? She didn't shy away from killing Madoka, and that was BEFORE the glasses came off. She was going to beat down Sayaka in episode 6, too, before Madoka took matters into her own hands (literally). She steps in and does what is necessary to prevent Madoka from contracting at the last minute three separate times. She may be incompetent, and she may have doubts, but she's not afraid to do what it takes to help Madoka, even if others may vilify her for it. That, certainly, was demonstrated in Rebellion.
But she's her own client, of course she believes in herself.
Also, what the fuck?
>borderline-defeatist, non-confrontational, reactionary
A defeatist would just kill everyone or give up. She avoids unnecessary conflict, but she's certainly able to confront Mami about the motives behind luring the girls into becoming magical girls. I guess she "reacts" to Madoka attempting to throw her life away, but other than that she's always planning and thinking about how to save Madoka/defeat Walmart Night.
Maybe we could say coldly-realistic, conflict-avoiding, and protective?
Which means Sayaka committed the crime and pinned it on Homura, it's never the obvious culprit here. The evidence is all there when you take another look at the scene of the crime.
She committed attempted murder on herself? This is one of those weird cases, isn't it.
Turns out she was trying to frame someone in order to get them off her trail, in order to hide something far more secretive. It's the perfect alibi.
Attempting to murder yourself seems common among megucas.
The defendant was seen shooting herself in the head, crushing her soul gem, and falling off a cliff.
Don't be silly, a hontoubaka like Sayaka could never pull off something like that.
Should have also said I ended up using the US Model Penal Code since you asked for a source. While it isn't a statute, it's close enough.
You can find murder in MPC § 210.2 and attempt in MPC §5.01.
She was trying to do good her whole life and failed at every step of the way, which is why she decided to stop trying and embrace her wrath instead in the end of Rebellion. Fuck everyone else, I'll make myself happy. The irony is that in doing so she's made it so she'll never be happy.
It's always a front, a fake sloppy personality to cover up their real self. It's only when the evidence starts being presented that we start to see that act fade away.
Then it turns out you were really pretending to be your dead sister all along or something, in order to get revenge against the person who you blame for their death by framing them for murder. Since it turns out that all along Sayaka was not Sayaka, as the real Sayaka died days ago.
What a tweest.
Is it a crime to kill a potentially life-threatening zombie?
Killing Madoka wasn't a thought that occurred to her nor does the will arise from her own volition.
She doesn't take very much into her own hands. She shies away from direct confrontation with Mami (Remember that she had 9 days to do something about Mami before school started. Also, Homura never makes a strong-willed attempt to clear up the misunderstandings Mami and Sayaka always have about her. Instead she pouts and walks away, or lets herself get cut off by their accusations.) and is always merely seconds early or late to come to Madoka's aid as opposed to actually looking after her.
Zombies are people too.
THERE WAS A SPOOKY SKELETON INSIDE SAYAKA THIS WHOLE TIME?
She shies away from direct confrontation with Mami because Mami tends to put the beatdown on people who get in her way. And she's not just going to kill Mami off in her sleep because she tends to make things complicated, she's not a psychopath.
>Homura never makes a strong-willed attempt to clear up the misunderstandings Mami and Sayaka always have about her
Because no one ever believed her before. Sure, you can say she should have made a better effort, but in her mind, there's no point in trying, because it never works. She prefers to stick to the shadows and intervene in events when it becomes necessary. Which, again, she does many times, whether coming between Sayaka and Kyouko or thwarting QB.
Sayaka going witch was a clear and present threat, and it's not like Homura could have put off dealing with it any longer - she was minutes away from turning. QB even came to her house and told her that Sayaka was going to be a problem, so if you think she needs someone to prod her into action there's your motivator right there.
The mystery is so clear now
The suspected party is Homura who was the last person seen with the victim while having a heated depute right before she was found dead in a hotel room the next night, the Prosecutor is Sayaka(reanimated corpse) who also believes it to be Homura as that was one of the last things she remembers before becoming an undead zombie as the moment of death is still blank in her mind, however startling revelations show that Sayaka may in fact have been dead before that conversation took place as everything turns around yet again. In order for those facts to still line up it can only mean one thing.The Homura that Sayaka talked to that night was a fake, and the Sayaka that Homura talked to was also a fake, as it turns out the entire situation was orchestrated by the same person that night.
It's possible to argue that it would not be a crime.
If you were to claim legal impossibility, I don't think that would fly for a bunch of reasons that would take up too much time in a dying thread. If it were an argument of self defense, Homura has nothing to go on there at the point Homura confronted Sayaka.
Psht, it's not an argument. She's clearly not human. Zombies don't have the same rights as humans, they have no soul! Or rather, their soul is in some super-tech cage created by aliens.
I think we need the incubators to participate in these proceedings.
To even define them as zombies is a pretty bold claim. We'd also have to determine what a zombie is. Even if you did, there is plenty of drunken debate among law students about whether it's a crime.
This was a fun thread. See you, anons.
mad as FUCK
>implying anime can't be written as well as great literary works
Why do you hate anime so much /a/?
Meant >>102202361 instead of >>102189872