AKB48 is a Nazi regime. Very subtle, Yamakan.
And what's wrong with that?
They could quit if they didn't like it.
I'm not so sure that I agree with you. I think Nazi idols would be great.
Nazis got shit done and they were allies with the japanese
Hitler did nothing wrong.
I think it's good that Japanese idol groups are pretty strict and maintain a pure image. It's the reason why Japanese idols go on to very successful careers while American idols end up in Celebrity Rehab.
I think I-1 is presented a bit over the top in Wake Up, Girls! though. No idea if the environment of AKB48 is really that controlling.
Idols are creepy.
News at 11.
Why do they wear such fugly clothes?
Because they ain't actually idols (Takamina doesn't count)
>No idea if the environment of AKB48 is really that controlling.
The instant anything "unpure" about you is uncovered you're "promoted" to sister-groups in minor regions which are more like future AV star depositories than anything. They even start to erase your existence from old pictures and the official website, and they don't announce those transfers. They silently cast you way to avoid hurting the group image.
The idol industry is rotten to the core.
murican piggu go home
Dayum, really? That is some stalin tier
I'm aware of a few of the scandals that have occurred but it seems like a necessary evil of maintaining the image, and it fucking works.
Very seldom is one of the girls caught smoking, drinking, or with a man.
If the idols aren't unhappy I don't see this kind of system as bad.
Most westerners should have experienced in their youth the terror that was the boygroup/girlgroup craze in the west. Why people seem to fall for the same bullshit from chinkland now?
They probably are unhappy, but it pays the bills.
It's not Nazi untill they begin eating babys
Like any other job. People just get upset because they think that the idols they worship should be happy or some shit.
the whole "cant have a boyfriend" thing is hilarious. the industry is completely dependant on loser otaku who shit their pants at the thought of their waifu idols with another man, even though deep down they know they stand no chance with her anyway.
but muh taylor swift
I'd be fine with idols having a boyfriend, but the problem I'd have is if it was publicized like a big deal. It's freakin annoying.
The thing is nobody buys CDs anymore, not only on Japan, so the easiest way to make cash is to pander to the mentally ill
Good for the idol industry that Japan doesn't believe in individual rights.
>Good for the idol industry that Japan doesn't believe in individual rights.
Considering how shit the west is becoming maybe that isnt such a bad idea
Individual rights within the context of a particular private industry are irrelevant. Because as you work in private industry voluntarily, they cannot infringe these (you'd just stop working there)
- One of the world's lowest birth rate
- One of the world's highest suicide rate
- Economical stagnation for more than 20 years
Japs are pretty much human pandas, they won't fuck even for saving the species
to be more specific, underage drinking. Consuming alcohol at the legal age is totally cool and expected though
This, you do your job and you get paid for it.
If your job is metaphorically wanking off ugly losers, then you either do it or leave.
Individual rights are inalienable. Signing a contract doesn't mean the company owns you, except on Asia.
They don't own you, but they pretty much own your image.
Last I heard job contracts aren't binding to the point that you cannot quit the job. If you do sign a contract like that, I'm not sure what to say. Don't think it's even legally possible to make a contract that forces you to work somewhere until your death in slavery.
You can quit your job in Asia too.
It's hilarious how poorly informed you are, holy christ.
I'm not even bothering to correct you, it will only be a waste of time and sleeping hours.
>One of the world's lowest birth rate
If it werent for the niggers and shit skins the west would have the same problems. Japan is just smart enough not to open the floodgates (yet)
>One of the world's highest suicide rate
Currently at Top 10 but yes it has been a problem throughout asian countries
>Economical stagnation for more than 20 years
And they still managed to pull through. The current recession and unemployment disaster is happening is almost every country around the globe
I think those outfits look good
Not responding to troll posts is a good idea, yes.
>One of the world's lowest birth rate
Doesn't matter. The population will go into negative growth for awhile but eventually when the population is small enough the birth and death rate will equalize and the population will hold constant. They will not die off though will probably lose a few million the population levels out.
>One of the world's highest suicide rate
It's a high pressure society. Those who cannot perform are weeded out. In America those who cannot perform get welfare and sit on their asses consuming resources. Is that really better?
Same happens in Japan. But people who don't get a good job are more miserable in Japan. Because they are somewhat hopeless when everyone prefers to hire straight out of university.
>niggers and shit skins
>It's a high pressure society. Those who cannot perform are weeded out. In America those who cannot perform get welfare and sit on their asses consuming resources. Is that really better?
Depends on what you hold high in life. If you hold human happiness highest, it is possibly better, if you have some fucked up primitive nationalistic vision of a super-country dominating the world and making everyone else suffer, then I guess it might not make sense to try to make people happy who don't perform superbly.
Also if with "America" you mean the USA then I don't know why you're giving them as an example for a country with welfare and shit. Germany would be a much better example I guess, or some Scandinavian countries. But I've only lived in Germany, not the USA, so don't know.
>Those who can not perform are weeded out
How is that a good thing at all
It makes successful people happier because they don't have to pay for the lifestyles of unsuccessful people.
Happiness or world domination? Those are the only options?
Happiness is very, very overrated. I was happy fat, lazy, and unemployed. I'm less "happy" now that I work and focus on self improvement, but I'm a much better person and the world is better for it.
Darkie detected. Learn your place, Tyrone. You are the trouble that Japan is trying to avoid.
How is not? If you can't pull your weight, you are just burdening society and humanity as a whole. If you wouldn't want someone around in some doomsday scenario or if you had to live as a primate tribe, the world is better off with that person dead. This modern bullshit about lowering the standards for retarded, the feeble, and the lazy and punishing the ambitious could destroy the species.
Better off dead.
Here comes another libtard that thinks that everyone being given equal chances to prove themselves means they also are entitled to getting the same acknowledgment. If you do a sloppy job it's time to stop overestimating yourself.
>rotten to the core.
The only rotten thing is you. Actually it's not just you but the meme is very prevalent among the SJWs, so I'll make one post for all.
You speak like only idols have demanding work that they volunteer for and a fake public image to maintain. Maybe one day you'll understand the importance of work to people, as opposed to unemployed liberal arts majors and professional SJWs. Strippers volunteering for the job don't protest that their work is degrading and violating their rights. Professionals working in big companies don't list loli doujinshi as a hobby on their facebook. People can sacrifice hobbies and family time for work.These idols aren't some helpless victims being sold into showbiz by the yakuza. They are professionals who take up opportunities available to them and understand the terms and conditions for their work.
The girl that shaved her head did so not because she had no rights to leave, which no one could ever take away, or was ordered by the yakuza, but because she had a sense of duty to the fans she let down, something Western celebrities happily shit on every other day. They can't picture any of them apologizing willingly. Hell not even their presidents like Nixon and Clinton had that kind of integrity. But leave it to moralfags to turn that into the evil work of a whole culture, and shit on the very profession and hard work of people they had never cared about before. The only right being violated here is the right to endless whining.
Also tangentially related, guess who work against legalization and healthcare for female sex workers? Yep, good old feminists. Narcissistic whining can actually hurt people.
Too much of societies garbage expects "equal opportunity" to mean "equal results". The first is good, the second is not.
>boohoo muh hardwork
No one deserves to die because they cant standup to modern societies standards.
>I was happy fat, lazy, and unemployed. I'm less "happy" now that I work and focus on self improvement, but I'm a much better person and the world is better for it.
>and the world is better for it
If the total amount of human happiness you now generate is higher than the happiness you lost, then obviously it was good for you to stop being lazy. See, you're actually agreeing with me without even realizing it.
If however you're not making other people happy now, then you're a fool for having stopped doing what at least made you happy: being lazy.
It's all about trade-offs, and managing what makes people happy in first place. For instance, a person who gets happy from working to make other people happy is optimal. If everyone were like that, we would have happiness surplus anyway, so it's not even that bad that we have people who occasionally are unable to work etc., the people who can may support them on the meanwhile, and try to make them able to work again.
That's how social governments work. They don't treat their non-working people like shit such that they have no chance to get better anyway, they treat them good so that they're both happy on the meanwhile AND have a chance to start making other people happy.
It makes sense from a simple "mathematical" perspective, to just care about other people. In a room of 10 people, if every one person cares about themselves and the 9 other, then for every single person there is 10 people caring for them. This is why humans developed the instinct of empathy during evolution. Sadly we're very far from having perfected that instinct, and fail to continue it on a global scale, we only apply it very small-scale, and have infighting even then.
I'm German master-race, shut your mouth.
Since I'm superior, I care about other nations.
You, on the other hand, are just showing your inferiority complex.
>I'm German master-race, shut your mouth.
Doener race detected
>Since I'm superior, I care about other nations.
Even merkel has come out and said that multiculturalism has failed. Stop being a faggot
Where's all the mc hammer pants girls?
Yes, they do. Life isn't something that should be given or guaranteed. It is something that should be cherished and fought for. If a person is unable or, far worse, unwilling or unmotivated to do so, they deserve death.
No it doesn't make sense in a simple "mathematical" perspective because your initial assumption is wrong. The end goal of humanity, the thing we should aspire to, is not happiness. Happiness could be induced all with drugs.
Our great aspiration is accomplishment. The great men are not the ones who smiled; the great men are the ones who sweat, who bled, who cried. The man who discovers, explores, and pushes toward a new world is the one who is revered.
There's a difference between dying and living a shitty life.
Another anon but your trumped up social Darwinism is stupid.
Understand the difference in degree between killing people, letting them die, saving their lives, giving them some food and babysitting them. People might be unable to fight for their lives simply because they're in a coma. Your lack of nuance is stupid.
Blame Yamakan overly negative and inaccurate portrayal of the idol industry so that newfags like these >>102143607, >>102144156, >>102145720 can bash the whole industry without knowing anything about it.
There's little "realistic" about Yamakan's story. Idol is work like everything else in entertainment. It's not more corrupted than American Music industry, or American Reality TV.
Idols bring happiness to the audience and the feelings are genuinely mutual most of the time.
>Our great aspiration is accomplishment
Speak for yourself.
Holy fucking shit, please tell me that nose is shopped.
People aren't obligated to do anything, no one asked to be on this planet. If people want to be lazy pieces of shit they shouldn't be put to death. Of course if everyone had that type of thinking the world would be even shittier than it is now. But who gives a fuck, life sucks no matter what you do. Why contribute to a socitey that will shit on you 24/7 no matter what route you take anyway?
Nobody is getting denied welfare checks and healthcare (unless you're American ofc), Bubba.
It just means that your talent isn't enough for you to afford eating lobsters for breakfast, tough shit.
>Be a NEET
>Everyone tells you to get a job
>Get a job at McDonalds
>Cant make a liveable wage
>Everyone tells you to get a REAL job
>tfw they keep demanding things from you just so they can shit on you even more
You can't argue in moderation, unfortunately.
Do I think we should leave orphans to starve in the streets? Of course not. Do I think we should leave those that refuse to work or the elderly who failed to plan for their old age to starve in the streets? Absolutely.
There is significant difference between killing, allowing death, preventing death, and preventing "unhappiness". I object to being called out as not understanding the difference in degree; quite to the contrary, the opposing side of this conversation does not seem to understand degree. They think that simply being alive is a worthy thing regardless of conditions. My lack of nuance isn't stupidity, it is simply a result of talking in ideals and generalities.
I don't think we should go around killing anyone for being lazy. That is ridiculous. I do think that we shouldn't protect and provide for them at the cost of those that do contribute.
I love wug threads because idolfags are so easily trolled
I think that's Communism. Nazis actually had to think, unlike the slavshits.
Idolfags don't give a fuck about anime, enjoy trolling windmills.
That's definitely what it feels like.
You know, Yamakan really isn't very scathing in what he says about this kind of industry. People seem to say on here that he is all about showing up the industry but everything I've seen from him really lacks the bite to merit that kind of comment.
Germans don't think
I forgot to mention that Germans are civilized as well, unlike the slavshits.
Because he can't exaggerate too much. Otherwise, everyone will realize he's bullshitting.
Fucking this. Idols get paid in massive amounts of dosh and attention because of their good looks and talent. Good looks and talent which, by the way, could get them a plethora of other jobs, including other high paying, entertainment based, ones, but did they choose one of them? No, they chose to be an idol.
Now, if every business simultaneously decided to violate human rights by, say, demanding piss tests from employees at any time, then these SJW would have a point. But feminism is not about personal freedom, never has, never was, and never will be. That's why you'll never here them talk about actual issues and real victims, only imaginary ones so they can attempt to grab more political and social power than they already have.
Lemme guess, you want idols giving blowjobs and singers molesting boys at home? I mean what would be more shocking than actual news we've all seen before?
Tough industry is what it is. But there's a long hill down before you reach Western Sexyville.
I didn't think he was being critical at all, just kicking the dog.
>Even merkel has come out and said that multiculturalism has failed.
And you're giving a fuck about that Christian old hag? Get gid.
>the great men are the ones who sweat, who bled, who cried
You're a fool for obeying your primitive instincts that drive you to suffering only to grant a puny sense of accomplishment, oblivious to your utter unimportant on the unimaginably grand scale of the universe.
Get the fuck over yourself, and admit that there's nothing more to life than to enjoy it. You're making everything worse not only for yourself, but also for the people around you, imposing your embarrassingly animalistic "aspirations" upon them.
If only drugs gave us stable happiness. There is no magical substance like that so far.
If there's any point in living, it is to feel good, and that is achieved best with mutual support. Put this in your mind, it's the hard, no-bullshit explanation of commie-hippie ideals.
>b-but it's not creepy
It's creepy as fuck, even disgusting. Don't like being called on it? Deal /w it.
What makes you such a knowledgeable insider source on the inner dynamics of the idol industry?
What makes you think you have to be one?
He knows the Yakuza. He was beaten by them for bating on an internet thread before.
Where did I say that I wanted idols giving blowjobs and singers molesting boys? Are you high? I'm just saying that this show isn't exactly scatching criticism and nor is anything else Yamakan makes. And if you think depicting inappropriate sexual acts is the only way to criticise the idol industry in a story you should pull your head out of the gutter for a second
Because for the claim you are making to have any validity it essentially requires you to understand how the idol industry works beyond a superficial level which is generally information you won't have access to unless you are part of the idol industry.
Same deal with the NSA actually. The only people who truly know the scope of what is going on with the NSA are the NSA. That's why whistleblowers like Snowden are so valuable.
So, again, what makes you such a knowledgeable insider source on the inner dynamics of the idol industry?
He is baiting you. See >>102150744
I feel stupid now.
>to feel good
Another anon but not really. This is about as fabulously nebulous as "be yourself" or "follow your heart".
Add to this the fact that there are many kinds of happiness, some of which are fickle and contradictory, therefore poor as guidelines. Happiness is more of a biological trapping than actual meaning of life, which is an artificial burden anyway.
Yes it's a joke Mr Genius. I want answers and examples of your "bite", not your hot air. I want to see the edge that you prefer to just depicting boring old reality.
>This is about as fabulously nebulous as "be yourself" or "follow your heart".
Those are some cringe-worthy low-logic ways to say something vaguely in the same direction, yes, but don't fit my tastes.
The problem with that comic and your claim that "happiness is more biological trapping than meaning of life" is that it insidiously implies that you can find a meaning to life with pure logic; you can't. Logic is a way to reach point B from point A, but it doesn't give you a root point 0, that's pretty much up to you to decide, and you might choose either as you say a half-assed (set of) root goal(s) (probably influenced by your animal instincts and stiff culture) that will give you some questionable half-assed happiness, or reach a freer state of mind and find out what truly makes you happy, by whatever means (pleasing yet other instincts in the end), optimally trying to push yourself a bit into the "become happy by making other people happy" direction, and avoiding goals that easily conflict with other people's, so as to maximize mutual support in reaching the meta-goal of being happy.
Biology or not, feeling good is the a priori goal of a conscious being. Logic is only a tool that can help reach it once you've illogically decided what exactly to reach; it wouldn't even be important if we had sufficiently empathic instincts. And I say this as a computer scientist.
All in all, there is no logical meaning to life, and it's a mere fact that you're entrapped to your biology to feel good. Try manipulating it, sure, but in the end you're still trying to feel good. It's like the one axiom of human behavior.
>there are many kinds of happiness, some of which are fickle and contradictory, therefore poor as guidelines
I wouldn't say there are kinds of happiness. I'd say there are just ways to pursue happiness which just don't work out very well, leaving not as happy as you wished.
To elaborate a bit and give some food for thought:
It would indeed be optimal if a person managed to bend their mind to the point that it creates the feeling of happiness purely from breathing and drooling, it's just that this is usually not plausibly possible. Many instincts and cultural influences are just too strong to ignore, so we're left with desires to fulfill things more difficult than breathing and drooling, and then we fail to fully achieve those things and end up unhappy. What you have to do is aim for a realistic mid-point, bend your mind to the point where happiness is as easy to reach as possible, but within realistic bounds. You'll need to sustain yourself, and do some kind of work in daily life. It's best if you choose something that doesn't interfere with other people who follow a similar regime. Elaborating to this point, I realize that my previous recommendation of caring for everyone was definitely ill-advised. You simply won't be happy to help everyone, other people will suffer and often you won't be able to do anything about it. So it's best, after all, to not care about them, if you yourself are content. You would merely need to care about the small circle around you so as to ensure some support throughout your (relatively) short life, but you don't need the support of people from other places on the globe or centuries into the future. It's merely an artifact of my upbringing that I lean towards global-happy-making ideals that I actually won't ever be able to fulfill. See, I'm still falling for it myself. And in fact I don't think I'll ever be able to give up of those impossible ideals, I'm essentially tainted with them, which is why I have clinical depression and have been considering suicide for a long time, though everyone following the small-scale version of these ideals would actually be just as enough to make all the individual circles happy.
>you're entrapped to your biology to feel good.
Your sentence misses a clause.
Your body makes you feel good to push you towards certain things. Food, sex, rest, survival, winning... Those are the goals, happiness is just the carrot that evolution has prepared for our inner rabbit.
>you're still trying to feel good.
So that you'll keep doing those certain things.
So is the show really good or at least unique, or is it just another average idol anime?
> textwall-tier discussion
> on my /a/
Try to read into the rest of my posts. I'm telling you to take control over the carrot if you can, but you won't be able to fully do that. If you could, as I said, you could make yourself to become happy from breathing and drooling, but you won't be able to do that. I mean figuratively of course, like even if you didn't get hungry or something. Indeed, you can't avoid lust over food and physical safety, not getting those simply makes your body hurt and get damaged. After you have those, if you're male you'll crave for sex a lot, that's also very difficult to avoid especially at certain ages, you have little chance but to give in to it and fulfill it either with a partner or through fetishes or something. Once you're past that, you'll still have a hard time feeling happy from just doing nothing in particular, you will need to pursue some things, but at least finally at that point it should be less difficult to manipulate your mind to want to pursue the easier things, there's nothing as difficult to avoid as food and sex at that point.
What I'm saying is, you're making it sound negative, as if one can do something against it (fulfilling those basic desires). You can't do anything at all against it, unless you an hero, which is an option of course, but other than that you have little choice but to suck it up and at least fulfill those basic desires of avoiding pain, getting food, and fulfilling sexual desire. Only after that point you'll find things in your mind that you can manipulate, so stop whining, you're not ever going to get full control over yourself.
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Not nearly enough greentext.
>It's the reason why Japanese idols go on to very successful careers
They just get forgotten in much the same way like their western contemporaries and shamefur dispray keeps them form sticking their heads back up and try to reclaim glory in the spotlight unspoken for.
Many go on to acting careers, solo music careers, and or become VAs. Life probably does slow down for them after their idol career but it doesn't mean they are unsuccessful and most of the graduated idols seem to be fairly happy. Every now and then there are reunions with old members and what-not too. A couple have gone on to do JAV unfortunately but that's a very small minority.
I think you are speaking out of ignorance. You probably aren't familiar with the entertainment market of Japan so you don't actually think an idol does anything after their idol career.